This niggar can please tell me how did the jews arrive to Canaan, and when they arrived how they settled there? Please niggar tell me especially the part with the Siege of Jericho! I wanna hear it! Jews have no special right in Palestine, they are just one of the people who went there for a while! Read some history you piece of shit!
@TheBardicDruid "Yep, proves they were there a lot longer than you towel heads."
The Jews you are referring to are much closer to you and they are not far from where u live. Palestinians lived there as long as time existed, the Jews of the Middle east lived there with the Arabs and the fake Jews of Europe fukked and screwed your lands and were given Palestine by the Brits...They don't belong there nor did God promised them Palestine.easy on the swine buddy u might catch the flu.
It is true..Once they get rid of Islam they will be happy positive people and Yhwh will bless their people... There is a curse on every land where the fallen one Allah rules.. or Baal which actually is the name of the deity (or Sin)..the feminine form of Baal is Alla't or Baal'at. The top of every mosque carry the main symbol of Islam..the Baal Hadad.. just google the name and you will see. Its a demon deity.. Come out of the curse and be with us when Yeshua puts down his foot on mount of olives
Listen.They can not live together. The Koran says to kill all Jews. They can not live if living.No one wants their children to go around if people. That support terrorist organizations. And all the Middle East. Belongs to Islam.And Malaysia and Turkey.And most of Africa. And in India and Russia.There are 200 million Muslims. And now they have taken over Europe. They are not really interested in the ground there (in Israel). They want to kill anyone not a Muslim. They like to fight it.
Deserving? What the hell does deserving have to do with anything? A Palestinian state must happen and the Israelis must accept this as the Palestinians must accept Israel. Deserving?!?!? Pffttt? Is this a man or a child. Pathetic.
@grimblebrumble17889 if deserving has got nothing to do with it asshole then lets just allow them to fight it out and we'll see who gets the land! i can guaranty there'll still be a star of David flying. i think the yan kippur war is pretty good proof of that! like i stated to the other anti semitic gentleman, they're not just going to walk into the ovens and especially not for your sorry uneducated ass!!
I’m also fully aware that occupation, rationalized by many different modes, leaves the burden of proof on the occupied to display breaks from agreement – hinder better if you can argue there’s not an occupied at all ai?!
So I would ask you, what do you think is the solution? What do you think the Palestinians should do? Leave the land altogether?
Allen West realy believes that he is smart.Well, I can give him that but man sounds like he is God. He is saying who deserves something, what somebody realy has to do. Realy?
Muslims is a semitic people and Palestine has existed from about the 200 BC (when jews leftall this area because Roman Empire). Learn before talk about what you don't know. YOU CAN'T GO THERE 2,000 YEARS AFTER AND KILL THE PEOPLE THAT IS NOW LIVING THERE. if you approve that in any way, you gotta be ready to accept what is going to come against you.
Oh, and one more thing, the kind of stupid, complete un-understanding of what is an Arab and Arabic people and what makes their culture – the kind of ethnocentric, ignorant fuckwitt stupidity that the British applied in 1917 is the same kind of fuckwitt logic Allen West is using now!!
@TYwokki All that typing and not one answer to one question. That's because there is no answer to any of them. The "palestinian people" are a lie to wage war on any non-mulim in the middle east, plain and simple.
So basically what you are saying is; you’re going to ignore all the experts, historians, religious leaders, academic centers, political elite and diplomatic fraternity, the billions of Palestinians around the world, the numerous moderate Jewish’s people who just want peace, the international community, international law, human-rights organizations, the governments of the world and most of the people who live in it, and stick to...
@TYwokki And if you would listen to something other than all muslim experts, historians, religious leaders, you'd learn actual history and not just muslim history. The sole purpose of the "palestinian people", the Hamas and Hezbollah is the eradication of the Israeli state. They had the chance to build and turn the palestinian territory into a liveable state but chose to start a war.
@TheBardicDruid, I can’t work out whether you’re being obtuse or bigoted, or just are mentally incapable of understanding. There’s a physiologist called Dweek who did work on something called ‘Fixed Mindsets’. You should look it up.
Anyway, your obtained knowledge from Orientalist and Right-Wing anti-Libertarianism media is so wrong on just about everything, I even wonder whether you don’t just think stuff and believe it to be true ‘cause you thought it.
“Palestinian people were created to start an armed conflict”. Never read the Seven Pillars of Wisdom? Palestine is a region. People who live in it are the Palestinians. Up to the 14th May 1948 everyone, Jew, Muslim, Christian and the host of other denominations were classed as Palestinians. When Israel declared independence, ONLY Jews could live in the STATE of Israel. Palestinians didn’t just vanish – they just lost their identity.
It’s pretty much one of the defining factors of the conflict – the question of what happens to the Palestinians – be that the Muslim, Christian and other denominations left in the region. Which conveniently leads me to your other rather uninformed point...
“Israel has tried for peace; the Arabs won't stop the fighting”. Firstly, they’re just as bad as each other when it comes to stopping aggressive action.
Secondly, the PLO at Camp David and Oslo agreed to recognize Israel if Israel stick to 242. This is the UN unanimous agreement. But Israel still builds in the occupied territories. If Israel stuck to what’s legally theirs instead clandestine theft of Palestinian land many would look different on whom being belligerent here –
.. especially as Israel refuses to recognize a Palestinian State, which kind of leaves Israel holding all the cards, kicking the stool out from under the Palestinian legs, holding a gun to the Palestinians head and claiming the Palestinian aren’t playing fair!!!
@TheBardicDruid, It doesn't take a genius to see the current situation of bombings, aggression, lack of international intervention and political procrastination suits Israel. That the only winner here is Israel – that doesn’t make it right – or fair – and trying to sanitise what is effectively ethnic cleansing because they are Muslims, so therefore somehow guilty of something.. well, you’re a smart guy, you tell me what that is?
@TYwokki It's becoming very apparent that the main source of your information is from a muslim perspective, I refuse to accept any religiously biased news. I also draw my conclusions based open sources, not media controlled. You do nothing but support under dogs no matter what the evidence is, I support true democracy and freedom, something the islamic world refuses to accept.
TE Lawrence, Amnesty International, Stanford Law, “A Muslim perspective”! What I think is becoming apparent is that you are just anti-Islamic.
I’d love to know your ‘open sources’. I use academic journals, credited literature and published articles in legitimate newspapers and magazines. My opinion is based in human rights and the moral perspective – not some political zeitgeist based on racial ignorance.
I’ll show you democracy in Israel /watch?v=JfQu5HFZQPY&feature=related
@TYwokki Funny myself and my colleges use the same sources as you and none of us have come up with the same view. So how long do you search to find all the negatives about Israel? Because it's very apparent that's all you do, granted Israel has problems, but nothing like your saying.
How long do I search!? I don’t need to ‘search’. I happened to have studied Human Rights, Theory & Practice at University. I used post-1964 Israel as my case study. I also worked for Amnesty for a short while in the mid 90s. I teach law, environmental law actually and I’m a Research Associate on Political Environmental Policy, but I read a lot of case journals including international policy and the US Policywatch. Human Rights are more of a side interest for me really.
@TheBardicDruid, Plus I’m educated. It gives me the wide breadth of knowledge. I don’t just rely on unsubstantiated rhetoric or un-credible rightwing media. I use this thing called Evidence, Rational and Empiricism.
You and you ‘colleagues’ should try it sometime. Might help your arguing skills.
@TheBardicDruid, Wow, you’re pulling out all the nuggets now!! Anti-Semitic! That’s the rational of the bigot if ever I’ve seen it. You be calling me a fascist next – save your fingers – look up Godwin's law first
and stick to your argument, some against-evidence, shallow, nonsensical, a polemic, absurdity and vacuum of thought that doesn’t make any sense or have any benefit to anyone!
If you lack the skills to bring evidence and discussion to the table, follow a conversation or even have the slightest ounce of knowledge to inform the discussion – you should probably stay out of adult conversation. You’ll just end up saying ignorant things that embarrass yourself – just like you just did.
@TYwokki The only reason the "palestinian people" were created was to start an armed conflict. If they had been formed for a national identy, they would have accepted the land offered to them in 1947, which was a little over half of todays Israel. Instead they started a war, followed by another war, Israel has tried for peace, the arabs won't stop the fighting. If you knew any history you would know this already.
For the "palestinian" supporters, answer a few questions 1. When was it founded and by whom? 2. What were its borders? 3. What was its capital? 4. What were its major cities? 5. What constituted the basis of its economy? 6. What was its form of government? 7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat? 8. What was the language of the country of Palestine ? 9. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ? 10. What was the name of its currency?
The land reverted to a de facto Arab control right up to WW1. The Palestinians fought with the Allies against the Turks. Then the Allies, mainly the British, went back on their word and split the region up under geographic lines not ethnicity (though to be honest it would’ve been quite hard to do it any other way). If you notice the ‘historic’ boarders are straight lines. Palestine at this time was all Palestinian people – including Jewish, Muslim and Christian.
The Balfour Declaration of November 1917, the key statement of British support for Zionism, ended that. By the end of WW2 Israel was a State alone, and only Jews could be Israeli. Palestinians are now what is left.
So there you go, a history lesson to help your break your ignorance towards understanding the matter. Next time, try not to ask such silly questions – or make any crass and ridiculous statements – you just look like a cretin.
Sad thing is, the complexity of the Israel and Palestine situation transcends just the Israeli and Palestinian people. The geopolitical situation means there’s so many other countries, all with their own selfish objectives, using the People in the middle as pawns. That fact that the US has Allen West, a fuckwitt who thinks it comes down to the complex of historic-geography getting the two favourite comments above makes me think the US is full of fuckwitts too!
@TYwokki New flash air head, the palestinian people are a lie created by Yassir Arafat. The word palestinian isn't even arabic, it's ancient roman. The "palestinian people" didn't exist until 1964 when Yassir Arafat announced them to the world. Keep listening to just the "palestinians" and you'll start to believe all their lies. And by the way, I learned all this in numerous world history classes.
@TheBardicDruid, Palestinians were created by Arafat! That’s some statement. Your ignorance is the answer (to a lot of your questions too from the looks of things).
Palestinians are Arabs. Majority of Arabs are tribal. Many [traditionally] don’t have or need currency as they’d barter. Arabs occupied the area of Palestine from around the same time the Jews did. Demographics and DNA analysis shows very little to no difference genetically.
The religions also have a lot of similarities too (one of the reasons they were able to live together for so long) Palestine is referred to in the Bible, Qur’an and the Torah under the name. The Diaspora of Jews, which came about from a variety of reasons depending on your Faith cast or historic angle, was also accompanied by Palestinian Diasporas. More Arabs remained in Jerusalem however. Possibly to do with the legacy of Saladin and Muslim control of Jaffa for so long.
US actually threatened to put sanctions on Palestine for trying!!!
Yeah, all this, nothing to do with US or Israel. Go back to your sound bites and stay out of ‘current affairs’ – it’s obviously too complicated for you to understand.
Go YouTube “Naama Margolese”- and see if the regions just full of Muslim fundementalists who deserve to be systmaticaly wipped off the map. Or read about the Russian involvement and tell me this is just Palestinian provocation!!
The other half seem to think the Palestinians are all terrorists – yet seem completely comfortable following guys like Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Rabin! Begin had links in terrorism around the world up to his death including the IRA, and Irv Rubin’s Kach Party who tried to kill an US Congressman in 2001.
[ illegally] taken – which is in my opinion not a deal. The US and UK instead go along with the terrorist propaganda the Israeli’s push to legitimize more and more invasion into Palestinian land that only serves to complicate the issue further. One half of the US seem to believe it’s all the UN’s fault – but don’t condemn any Political Party that agrees to veto any UN intervention! Like the most recent Palestinian attempt to obtain State recognition.
That’s with the PLO agreeing to the ’67 boarders or course which is the UN’s agreement too. Yet we don’t stop them or stand by the UN’s authority – take Camp David –it failed because Clinton didn’t push the Israelis on the key issue, following 242, instead we criticize the Palestinians for not agreeing with what the Israelis bring to the table like in 2000. Deals that are pretty much political suicide for any PLO representative and usually putting the Palestinians losing everything...
And if you believe Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, EU Human Rights Council, Stanford Law in the US or numerous clandestine international journalist in Gaza, Erez, West Bank, wherever, Israel’s also guilty of numerous accusations of torture and Crimes against Humanity, Extra-Judicial Executions, attacks on medical personnel and humanitarian access, Human Rights Violation on civilians, use of Illegal weapons, use of phosphorous bombs and indiscriminate/disproportionate attacks.
I’m more interested in the Palestinians however as they’re more of an ethical and humanitarian debate. The Jews are being more of a hindrance than a help – especially with their protection of [illegal] Land-Grabs, [illegal] blocking of free movement, [illegal] holding of Palestinian prisoners and [illegal] blocking of observers to the conflict as well (something the West used for their case to dispose Saddam with I might add).
ISREAL does ecxsist but only a name on a map but it doesnt exsist in the worlds hearts and minds esp the hearts and minds of the Palestinians and allah swt will help us to reclaim the land but before that we will conquer with peace
Mr. West is all over Obama about Libya and the violations of the war powers act. Fine, I agree. He applauds Dennis Kucinich and his resolution to stop Obama but he also fails to mention that that whole charge was lead on the Republican side by Ron Paul, a man he condemns. Mr. West, you find it convenient to obey the Constitution when started by a Democrat and zip your lip over the illegal one started by a Republican. Your voting record is nowhere near that of Dr. and Congressman Ron Paul.
And by the way Allen West, Israel has never been a State either, until the Jews had international backing to have the land handed to them off the British. The Jews were in armed conflict with the British at the time; the Irgun planted bombs and beheaded people. This little bit of ‘history’ – west chooses not to remember of course! Mind you, i suppose it’s hard not to take sides when you’re part of a Government who make Billions selling arms to both parties.
@TYwokki It appears that you don't know history. Israel was a "state" (actually a kingdom) from 1422 BC until their overthrow by the Romans in 70 AD. They occupied all the land from Syria to the north to Egypt in the south and also what is now Jordon to the east for almost 1500 years. Their return - prophesied in Scripture - is now happening, never to be reversed again.
@TheThumper49, I think it’s You who needs a history lesson, or at least one in sociology if you think ancient plutocratic Kingdoms have any comparison to modern Nation States. Especially Palestine and Israel today!
And there’s many who don’t believe the Jews are supposed to have a ‘homeland’ – and I’m not saying that as any anti-Semitic statement – Jewish scholars have argued that point – not me.
And no, they’re probably not going to be moved now. Who’s asking them to?
People have to stop avoiding the issue. Palestine and the Palestinians aren’t just going to go away. And why the rest of the world sits back and lets Israel crudely break international law and attempt to push the Palestinians into Jordan there’s only going to be intensification internally of extremist parties like Hamas and externally like Al-Qaeda.
It’s funny, the only reason the UN has struggled to get a grip on the situation there is because the US & the UK has blocked any attempt in any concerned action – and the average American sees this as a weakness in the UN as an affective organisation rather than the USs unfair protection of an aggressive [oppressive] State!
You need to read a bit of history. The UN proposed peace plans in 1947, 1967, 2000. The Palestinians rejected peace every time. Nothing to do with the US or Israel.
I think you need to get your ‘history’ lessons outside of sound bites MrSecondThoughts.
Firstly, ’47 wasn’t a peace plan. And most of the Peace Talks in the past have been manufactured to fail. They’re hardly ‘Peace Talks’ when both sides turn up with demands they know the other side can’t politically or logically ratify. Plus, everyone, including the US, UK and Israel, know the PLO won’t agree to anything until Israel stops building [illegally] in the occupied territories.
Please, as if putting up some new houses in the settlements would stop you entering into negotiations for your own country. The Arabs reject peace and statehood every time it is offered. Here's a thought - maybe its because thats not what they really want?
@MrSecondThoughts, And we went over this didn’t we?! No, they didn’t, not without a whole host of terms and conditions, prerequisites they know can’t politically be granted. The mere idea that Israel turned up and said we just want peace and the PLO turn around and say “Nope, we want War” is fucking stupid.
PLO have said they will recognize Israel’s Right to statehood. They’ve offered concessions on resources in the area – they’ve asked for Israel to respect the boarders...
.. boarders given in ’47 – UN 242 – Israel say yeah that sounds okay – but don’t move out of the Occupied Territories or stop building in the Occupied Territories. Doesn’t sound like granting peace unconditionally to me!
As for “putting up some new houses in the settlements”! When you say things like that you just sound like a simpleton. All you’re doing is showing you know fuck-all about the situation over there.
Israel will stop development and move out of the 'occupied territories' as part of a comprehensive negotiated settlement. The Palestinians should stop whining like bitches and get back to peace talks.
And negotiations on the OTs, Israel agreed to that almost 20years ago. All they’ve done is carry on building. Last time they did [forcefully] move settlers out, there was internal political uproar and the settlers moved back in with the newly elected pro-setter agenda government. Truth is Israel don’t care. They want ALL the land. Even if it’s illegal, immoral and driving a wedge between the West and Muslim Nations as We, primarily the US, supports it.
What the fuck are you talking about?! Look, if you don’t know what you’re talking about don’t just make shit up. You’ll just embarrass yourself.
Israel illegally occupied Gaza and the West Bank. They were made to give it back. The IDF have since created a barrier around the zones and control all movement, including food etc., going in and out by an air and sea blockade. The Turkish recently tried to get through and some Turk Aid workers were killed.
When you grow up, and learn to control your emotions, you will be able to debate ideas and politics without resorting to abuse, and recognise that there are opinions and approaches that are different to your own, that are valid, and which you yet disagree with. When your brain reaches this level of development, feel free to debate me again.
@MrSecondThoughts, No, not bipolar or psychotic – just sick and tired of going around in circles and repeating myself to you. I’d talk to you with respect and politely if you didn’t just keep throwing up the same argument each time I answer you. I didn’t make my original point to argue. You replied to me, remember. I criticised Adam West saying “There is no Palestine”. I think we can agree I’ve more than submitted an argument to say there actually is and West was wrong.
@TYwokki You are wrong as can be. There never has been a "Palestine". What was their currency? Who were their leaders before 1964? They are a made in the Kremlin movement. Why is there NO "Palestinian" history book? Why are they never mentioned in history - anywhere at any time? Before 1948 the ONLY "Palestinians" were Jews.
@dveednatan, “Before ’64 the only Palestinians were Jews”! From the start, the history of Palestine I’ve been on a merry-go-round with for weeks here. I’m not going to start again. All I’ll say in regards to “what was their...?” bit you asked is; they are Arab – Not Persian. They haven’t lived like Jews, no, but that doesn’t mean they have to be treated as some non-human species. Arabs have lived in the region of Palestine from the time it was the Kingdom of Israel.
They’ve been the minority and the majority at different points over history and lived in the region alongside Jew, Druze, Samaritan and Christian peacefully for the majority of that time too. There is absolutely no point to try and pretend that they just ‘moved in’ in the last 50years to cause trouble. Trying to make them into persona non grata now, for no other reason but their religion, is completely archaic an attitude. Funny that!
They’ve been the minority and the majority at different points over history and lived in the region alongside Jew, Druze, Samaritan and Christian peacefully for the majority of that time too. There is absolutely no point to try and pretend that they just ‘moved in’ in the last 50years to cause trouble. Trying to make them into persona non grata now, for no other reason but their religion, is completely archaic an attitude. Funny that!
They’ve been the minority and the majority at different points over history and lived in the region alongside Jew, Druze, Samaritan and Christian peacefully for the majority of that time too. There is absolutely no point to try and pretend that they just ‘moved in’ in the last 50years to cause trouble. Trying to make them into persona non grata now, for no other reason but their religion, is completely archaic an attitude. Funny that!
They’ve been the minority and the majority at different points over history and lived in the region alongside Jew, Druze, Samaritan and Christian peacefully for the majority of that time too. There is absolutely no point to try and pretend that they just ‘moved in’ in the last 50years to cause trouble. Trying to make them into persona non grata now, for no other reason but their religion, is completely archaic an attitude.
They’ve been the minority and the majority at different points over history and lived in the region alongside Jew, Druze, Samaritan and Christian peacefully for the majority of that time too. There is absolutely no point to try and pretend that they just ‘moved in’ in the last 50years to cause trouble. Trying to make them into persona non grata now, for no other reason but their religion, is completely archaic an attitude.
@dveednatan Never was there a time where "Israel" exist before 1948. Before 1948, it was a "God given land" base on genocide. Arabs pre date Israelis since 1002 B.C ever heard of the Falasteen?
@lilhavanaboys dude, it's so easy these days! you don't have to read an entire edition of world book encyclopedias or go to college for 8 years. just read fucking wikipedia. i'm almost certain it posesses a slight lean to the left, but it's so damn convenient for lazy asses like myself and apparently yourself as well! ever hear of Moses you anti semitic peice of shit! get your facts strait you brainwashed fuck! Jews will not go peacefully into the ovens again cheesedick!!!! and learn how to type
@hammerdick777 Again, Ad hominem and poorly manifested 'argument'. Just because your book of fairy tales tells how the world was from your biased view, doesn't make it "Ok" Israel is a religious fundamentalist state just like the Arab ones. And again, how am I "Anti Semitic" stop running off from the mouth. I have Jewish friends, Most of my teachers were Jewish and I went to school in the Jewish side of town. How am I "Anti Semitic" Arabs are also Semitic people.
@hammerdick777 "Learn how to type" Excuse me, how is my typing poor? You can't even spell "Possesses" nor "Semitic" nor "piece" nor "Straight" and you say I don't know how to type. You misspelled the most simplest words ever. Grow up. You provided NO Argument(s) what so ever. Israel is a terrorist state. They are the only state that uses chemical weapons on unarmed populations and can get away with it.
They aren't a terrorist state. They want nothing more to live in peace and keep what is rightfully theirs. They are surrounded by those who want nothing more than to see them non-existent, destroyed. Is it any wonder they are not giving in to demands to give up their land and aren't doing what they know will leave them vulnerable?
@Myhopeisinhim They raided Humanitarian aid ships on international waters, they kidnap and kill children, they use illegal and banned chemical weapons on unarmed populations, sets up racial laws similar to those of Nazi Germany and 1950's America; and as well, they are illegally occupying a whole nation. And you're telling me that they aren't a "Terrorist state"
Want proof? I will be more than happy to show you it. I back up every word I say.
Do you really know the story behind the ship they boarded? If you did, you'd know it was no innocent ship and were not following proper channels themselves. I think you may need to do a bit more research.
@Myhopeisinhim No as a matter of fact even Israel admited they had nothing on the ship and that they edited the audio. Again, I can and will back up every statement I make. I don't pull things from my ass. And out of everything I listed, you could only half defend the ship they raided. Ignore everything else. How blind are you people?
*shakes head*. Why can't you acknowledge that the ship was going outside of normal means? They did it on purpose. There were other channels where they could legally bring aid to the strip, but they insisted on taking the illegal route.
The bible tells us that all the world will rise against Israel, that she will be perplexed on all sides but that through this the people of earth would see the glory of God. You are doing exactly what the bible foretold.
@Myhopeisinhim And illegal route on international waters. Yeah, that makes sense (Not.) The bible also tells us to stone women and gays to death. It also tells us to kill and destroy races and cultures if they don't believe in your "Devin" God. You are doing exactly what many philosophers had foretold as well. Ignorance is a bliss. And you are ignorant enough to believe in a book that talks about "Peace" and "War" at the same time. What a contradiction.
There are proper channels to bring aid into gaza. The ship was refusing to use proper channels and they were trying to go through the blockade. If they were truly there to help the people, they'd use the means necessary instead of trying to cause trouble.
Since you don't care to acknowledge this, you are obviously not willing to see the truth of what is really going on. Someone or something wants the world to turn against israel.
The ship was on international waters. Again, there is no possible illegal way they could had enter. international waters. And I love how you still ignore how Israel kidnaps children and uses banned chemical weapons. No one wants to destroy Israel. If anything, it's the other way around. Israel is using the same racial prejudice as the Nazi did to them. They go and occupy other lands and destroy cultures just like the Nazis.
You make it seem like they just simply go and take an innocent person off the street and kidnap them like you see happen around the world in other cities. Where a bad evil guy takes a child off the street who is innocently walking home after school.
Do you know what palestinians do to their children? how they raise their children? What they train their children to do? Do you know that many of those children were attacking the soldiers, throwing rocks at them....
They teach their kids that a suicide death for allah is the greatest honor. For goodness sake they strap bombs to their kids and you want me to look bad at israel? I think you need to make yourself more aware of what really is going on.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO! WANT TO SEE A VIDEO FROM A SECURITY CAMARA IN PALESTINE? THERE A FEW VIDEOS SHOWING THE IDF DOING EXACTLY THAT!
As a matter of fact I do because I live in a very multicultural city and I have many Muslim friends. Oh dear me. A kid throwing a rock at a soldier armed with a M16, full body armor, and a platoon of tanks behind him. Oh the horror.
@Myhopeisinhim They strap bomb to their kids? As if Israel never used human shields. And according to Humanitarian rights' watch, Palestine has never use human shields. It's actually Israel that does, not to mention their clear kidnapping of children.
@Myhopeisinhim Why is it that the 117-page Amnesty International report "found no evidence of Palestinian militants using human shields to stop Israeli attacks, but it accuses the Israel Defence Forces of launching attacks from buildings in which Palestinian civilians were sheltering, and charges Israeli forces with killing hundreds of unarmed Palestinian civilians and wanton destruction of thousands of homes." -
Koutsoukis, J. (2009). Israeol used human shields: Amnesty, The Age
@TheBardicDruid I can see why the American educational system is consider to be the "Worst" in the world, and I am witnessing the direct results. So, seeing that your American, your ignorance is understandable. One: I'm not a Communist, I'm a Social Anarchist. Two, I do not hate freedom, I promote it. Three, American, nor any government in the world is a 'Democracy' I hope you do know that, right?
@lilhavanaboys Considering I've traveled and lived all over the world, I call 'em as I see 'em. And I received my education before the dumbing down of America started, and have studied abroad. You see I speak from experience from being there, not watching YouTube.
@TheBardicDruid First of all you're not seeing me at all, what you are seeing is a projection of my ideas which clearly stated "Anarchism." Don't be ridiculous.
I don't care if you "Speak from experience" because you have none above me. Live most of your life in the 3rd world and tell me you have more "Experience" than me.
@lilhavanaboys Actually I've probably spent more time in many different 3rd world countries than I have here, and yes kid I have a ton more experience than you.
@TheBardicDruid I really find that hard to believe. And second, visiting is way different than living in it. Ok? Don't tell me that a middle class white American knows how "Hard it is" by visiting a place. You may get a scope of the problem, but you don't know how it is to have your nation subordinated to your country's "Democracy" Which is Neo Colonialism.
They call the Palestinians terrorists, citing that as a reason to drop bombs, build walls and impose some of the most messed up anti-social laws on them. I see what’s going on there; listen to people who have come back from working over there describing the horrible conditions the Palestinians have to go through. The way that the Israelis are systematically stripping them of their dignity, rights and lives. Israel is a Nation built on the blood of the innocent.
@MrSecondThoughts, what's a shame is that people like you are so misinformed, or you're too focused on the small things you can't see the big picture.
Look though YouTube at some of the videos on the region. And stay away from those fucking anti-Islam videos made by idiots.
People like Adam West are politicans with an agenda. Mostly involving making them rich. They're the problem - not the solution.
I’m not denying that Hamas and factions of the PLO are antagonizing Israel. I’m just saying Israel are just as bad, if not worse, because the Israelis are the ones who hold all the cards and yet have a tendency to make it out like the Palestinians are all terrorists.
I know you it’s complicated and hard for you to comprehend this MrZeroThoughs, but at least try.
[On denial] You could say that about Israel too. Israel, and Palestinians too I give you that, but Israel has external influences that construct the political climate. That includes the US who uses Israel/Palestine as a proxy war with Iran. Proof of that is Iran and Israel is not traditional enemies. Iran supplied oil to Israel up-to and after the Six Day War.
Russia also, Russia weirdly enough has become a Political Allies to Israel. [cont]
[cont] There’s a large Russian Jew population in Israel. Russian workers are also allowed to vote strongly enough through marriage to Russian Jews, and they tend to vote along quite right-wing lines too. The 2009 Knesset Elections saw Israeli Russians push the liberals out and establish the Likud in power – centre rights who think building in Gaza, West Bank etc. is fundamental to Israel’s future and the Zionist Values. [cont]
@MrSecondThoughts, [cont] Of course this, as I’ve said before, goes against International [UN] Law and the PLOs Peace Agreements agreed in Camp David.
@TYwokki It does NOT go against International Law. The UN Charter embodies the law of the League of Nations which specifically declares the area called "Palestine" is specifically for the Jewish homeland. Not a word about Arabs. As far as the "Demographic Problem", the Arab birth rate in Judea and Samaria has fallen below the Jewish birth rate in Judea and Samaria AND in Israel proper! In fact, according to the latest population figures, the Arab birth rate is falling in all
@dveednatan, Secondly, the building in the occupied territories defiantly goes against International Law. The UN has no sovereignty, but its Agreements are internationally binding for signatory nations. The UN stated the non-Israeli territories; IDF occupied them after ’67. Palestine has become a de facto state. Dragging up the LofN, which Israel and the US were never members of –
The United Nations Also said that Israel belongs to Jews The United Nations Declared the country What do you say what is comfortable for Muslims The sons of bitches
US never ratified membership to the IofN – is again archaic and redundant to the problems now. The LofN has no precedence over the UN.
Demographics – don’t know where you get your data from but it goes against UN/WHO information and the most recent published in the US showed 1st and 2nd generation immigrants to the West overtook non-immigrants rates.
Birthrates are highest in Africa, but countries in the Middle East aren’t far behind. As for whether they are dropping now, I can’t argue that, but it’s irrelevant as the first point still stands to the original question put to me by MrSecondThoughts.
@dveednatan, Look, I’m not anti-Israel. I’m not trying to suggest the breakdown of the Israeli system or the demonizing of Jewish people. But your ‘facts’ are the same as those pumped up of the Israel media machine that only confuses the situation rather than attempts to solve it. I see it as procrastination designed to slow down the political process which plays into the Israeli land. As Lama Abu-Odeh said, lost time is far worse than lost land.
@MrSecondThoughts, You’re educated on a diet of propaganda produced by those against any type of peace in the region – and you have the absolute arrogance to criticize poor people who are dying, every day, because of brain-dead, simple minded, fuck-head politics like the type you put so much faith in is believed by small mined, naive, cretins like yourself. From now on DO SOME FUCKING HOMEWORK before typing your mundane, pretentious and pathetic level of knowledge to me.
Secondly, @MrSecondThoughts, Israel refuse to recognize Palestinians right to Statehood. Right wing Israelis call them Syrians, refusing to recognize them as even Palestinian people. This is despite the region has been known as Palestine since the Romans took control of the area, and despite Palestinian UN diplomats are some of the longest serving! And US and UK back Israel and veto the admittance of Palestine as a recognized State!!
@MrSecondThoughts, Ha, I love it! You do know Judea is inside Palestine don’t you? It was surrounded by now gone States of Philistine, Moab, even Samaritan (you should look them up in regard to Israel/Palestine– might learn something). The best bit about ‘The Kingdom of Israel and Judea’, is, it was smaller than modern Israel. It didn’t even encompass Gaza, which is one of the main contestation points, Palestine holding the majority of Gaza – and Israel wanting it.
So...you accept there was a state of Israel, the historical home of the Jews, in the region thousands of years ago and inhabited continuously by Jews since then. Well at least there's one sane Arab on youtube.
What! No, I said there WAS a Kingdom of Israel. Do you even read what I’m writing. Talk about ignorant! Too many words for you? No bloody wonder you’re so misinformed! Learned all your Current Affairs information from the cartoons probably? I don’t deny Jew of Palestine/Israel now, or in the past. I think it would be better if Modern Israel had been designed to allow Christians, Muslims, Druze and Jew alike to be Israeli – but that’s the fault of Britain and France really.
Right...so Israel has the right to exist....but not as a Jewish state....which would mean it would cease to be a Jewish state in a generation....which would mean the end of the state of Israel...
@MrSecondThoughts, Don’t know if it’d be a generation. But I don’t buy into that argument anyway. Jewish households are just as big as Arab traditionally. The only difference is the modern state of Israel is quite cosmopolitan. I guess the only way you could know whether that’s true or false and whether the Muslim’s would adopt western ways too rather than ‘traditional’ would be to look at other modern Muslim countries. [cont]
[cont] Turkey, Lebanon and many Eastern European Muslim’s have – I don’t see why ‘Muslim Israelis’ wouldn’t have also given the chance. There’s no evidence to suggest they wouldn’t put it that way. When people use that as a reason not to extend citizenship to Muslims in Israel it’s a self prophesy of itself in my opinion. Strict rather than liberal Islamic traditions are more frequent in poorer Islamic states. Palestine is a poor state because of the conditions of War.
[and] Palestinian families are larger at the moment because they are poorer and stricter. You might see that as causal or contentious, but the British used that same logic against the Catholics in Northern Ireland – Catholics with larger families because their religion forbids contraceptives. Catholics are now greater in number Protestants in Northern Ireland. Liberalism Catholicism in Southern Ireland however is much more common, especially in the cities.
It’s some of the only freshwater there. Israel imports most of their water from Turkey you know. The best thing is, even if your point wasn’t a contradiction of what you’re trying to prove, the Torah and Bible both refer to the Land of Israel that is in Palestine. Still, your only saving grace is that the same books describe Sodom and Gomorrah, now accepted to never have existed, so maybe we shouldn’t be using Archaic/Preclassic text as definitions of modern territories ai?
The same American would also label any Muslim a “terrorist” with so much ease and viciousness, it makes me wonder if the ‘average’ American these days is removed from the real world all together!
So his reference for not giving the Palestinians the right to a homeland is because historically there hasn’t been one?!
Well there wasn’t a State or Nation of the United Sates of America until a group of elected representatives for the people, by the people, stood up and made themselves heard on that issue.
Do you want lasting peace in middle east? and you will see no more billion dollar of US aid each year to such country as Egypt or Pakistan to counter terrorism? I'll tell you the simple and easy way to make that happen. Let the Palestinian get their right for statehood in area colonized by Israel since 1967 war.
my brother inlaw is muslim his family was forced out by Israel, I am latin but we argue about this issue, what got me was my sister slammed me for siding with the Jews and Israel. This land is from God's chosen people period I don't care what anyone says, plus Israel been their for thousand of years.
The Arabs think they're slick...got everybody believing that they are true natives of Judea. Hasn't it occurred to anyone that Judea and Jerusalem are Hebrew names? I mean, when did the Arabs start naming their lands with Hebrew names?
ALLEN WEST IS MY CONGRESSMAN AND I MET HIM 15 TIMES!! BUT; he is WAY to pro Israel. I agree with him, but I dont want to invade Iran for Israel. Ron Paul/Allen West 2012.
Thank God Almighty, YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob for courageous men like Allen West! Keep speaking the truth brother, let the haters and snakes come out of their holes, its easier to stomp their heads into the earth that way!!!
Jesus this fellow is sharp. People say Obama is smart. This guy makes Obama look like Bush.
ThePrinceII 1 week ago
This niggar can please tell me how did the jews arrive to Canaan, and when they arrived how they settled there? Please niggar tell me especially the part with the Siege of Jericho! I wanna hear it! Jews have no special right in Palestine, they are just one of the people who went there for a while! Read some history you piece of shit!
ANashuu 1 week ago
@ANashuu Yep, proves they were there a lot longer than you towel heads.
TheBardicDruid 1 week ago
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@TheBardicDruid "Yep, proves they were there a lot longer than you towel heads."
The Jews you are referring to are much closer to you and they are not far from where u live. Palestinians lived there as long as time existed, the Jews of the Middle east lived there with the Arabs and the fake Jews of Europe fukked and screwed your lands and were given Palestine by the Brits...They don't belong there nor did God promised them Palestine.easy on the swine buddy u might catch the flu.
SMLIPRT 3 days ago
Notice the Jews are out on this post but disappear if it was "federal reserve " title ..they stay quiet because that my friend is their main theme
vantagesuck 2 weeks ago
Love this man
kushalaimashkha 2 weeks ago
It is true..Once they get rid of Islam they will be happy positive people and Yhwh will bless their people... There is a curse on every land where the fallen one Allah rules.. or Baal which actually is the name of the deity (or Sin)..the feminine form of Baal is Alla't or Baal'at. The top of every mosque carry the main symbol of Islam..the Baal Hadad.. just google the name and you will see. Its a demon deity.. Come out of the curse and be with us when Yeshua puts down his foot on mount of olives
matereo 2 weeks ago
This man is a KOON A SELLOUT A HOUSE NIGGER AND A DISGRACE TO AFRICAN AMERICANS
THIS HALF BREEDED NEGRO IS A DISGRACE
HE LOOKS MIXED
SO CLEARLY HIS MOTIVES ARE MIXED AS WELL,WHAT A LOSER.
MrDestruction25 3 weeks ago
Ugh, I hate politics and I know any opinions I post will be torn to shreds. Back to the weird side of YouTube!
MrItalianmustard 3 weeks ago
Listen.They can not live together. The Koran says to kill all Jews. They can not live if living.No one wants their children to go around if people. That support terrorist organizations. And all the Middle East. Belongs to Islam.And Malaysia and Turkey.And most of Africa. And in India and Russia.There are 200 million Muslims. And now they have taken over Europe. They are not really interested in the ground there (in Israel). They want to kill anyone not a Muslim. They like to fight it.
MrDaniedl 4 weeks ago
" I PRAY TO GOD, TO THROW ALLEN WEST IN HELL FOREVER !!! "
10WalkerNight 1 month ago
Deserving? What the hell does deserving have to do with anything? A Palestinian state must happen and the Israelis must accept this as the Palestinians must accept Israel. Deserving?!?!? Pffttt? Is this a man or a child. Pathetic.
grimblebrumble17889 1 month ago
@grimblebrumble17889 if deserving has got nothing to do with it asshole then lets just allow them to fight it out and we'll see who gets the land! i can guaranty there'll still be a star of David flying. i think the yan kippur war is pretty good proof of that! like i stated to the other anti semitic gentleman, they're not just going to walk into the ovens and especially not for your sorry uneducated ass!!
hammerdick777 1 month ago in playlist Sept 2011
I’m also fully aware that occupation, rationalized by many different modes, leaves the burden of proof on the occupied to display breaks from agreement – hinder better if you can argue there’s not an occupied at all ai?!
So I would ask you, what do you think is the solution? What do you think the Palestinians should do? Leave the land altogether?
TYwokki 1 month ago
Allen West realy believes that he is smart.Well, I can give him that but man sounds like he is God. He is saying who deserves something, what somebody realy has to do. Realy?
nctrio7791 1 month ago
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUNNY VIDEO XD
B0Sajwah 1 month ago
West the man.
usaeagle1776 2 months ago
Muslims is a semitic people and Palestine has existed from about the 200 BC (when jews leftall this area because Roman Empire). Learn before talk about what you don't know. YOU CAN'T GO THERE 2,000 YEARS AFTER AND KILL THE PEOPLE THAT IS NOW LIVING THERE. if you approve that in any way, you gotta be ready to accept what is going to come against you.
caliq 2 months ago
wow i didnt want to believe it but it looks like the jews really are nation destroyers. i had know idea that they had such a hold on the u.s wow.smh
ekim100020 2 months ago
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TheBardicDruid, Ludwig Wittgenstein once said,
- the value of a person is in their mind
I hope your feelings of self-worth are more than my feelings of your value here or anywhere!
TYwokki 2 months ago
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TYwokki 2 months ago
Oh, and one more thing, the kind of stupid, complete un-understanding of what is an Arab and Arabic people and what makes their culture – the kind of ethnocentric, ignorant fuckwitt stupidity that the British applied in 1917 is the same kind of fuckwitt logic Allen West is using now!!
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TYwokki All that typing and not one answer to one question. That's because there is no answer to any of them. The "palestinian people" are a lie to wage war on any non-mulim in the middle east, plain and simple.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
So basically what you are saying is; you’re going to ignore all the experts, historians, religious leaders, academic centers, political elite and diplomatic fraternity, the billions of Palestinians around the world, the numerous moderate Jewish’s people who just want peace, the international community, international law, human-rights organizations, the governments of the world and most of the people who live in it, and stick to...
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TYwokki And if you would listen to something other than all muslim experts, historians, religious leaders, you'd learn actual history and not just muslim history. The sole purpose of the "palestinian people", the Hamas and Hezbollah is the eradication of the Israeli state. They had the chance to build and turn the palestinian territory into a liveable state but chose to start a war.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid, I can’t work out whether you’re being obtuse or bigoted, or just are mentally incapable of understanding. There’s a physiologist called Dweek who did work on something called ‘Fixed Mindsets’. You should look it up.
Anyway, your obtained knowledge from Orientalist and Right-Wing anti-Libertarianism media is so wrong on just about everything, I even wonder whether you don’t just think stuff and believe it to be true ‘cause you thought it.
TYwokki 2 months ago
“Palestinian people were created to start an armed conflict”. Never read the Seven Pillars of Wisdom? Palestine is a region. People who live in it are the Palestinians. Up to the 14th May 1948 everyone, Jew, Muslim, Christian and the host of other denominations were classed as Palestinians. When Israel declared independence, ONLY Jews could live in the STATE of Israel. Palestinians didn’t just vanish – they just lost their identity.
TYwokki 2 months ago
It’s pretty much one of the defining factors of the conflict – the question of what happens to the Palestinians – be that the Muslim, Christian and other denominations left in the region. Which conveniently leads me to your other rather uninformed point...
“Israel has tried for peace; the Arabs won't stop the fighting”. Firstly, they’re just as bad as each other when it comes to stopping aggressive action.
TYwokki 2 months ago
Secondly, the PLO at Camp David and Oslo agreed to recognize Israel if Israel stick to 242. This is the UN unanimous agreement. But Israel still builds in the occupied territories. If Israel stuck to what’s legally theirs instead clandestine theft of Palestinian land many would look different on whom being belligerent here –
TYwokki 2 months ago
.. especially as Israel refuses to recognize a Palestinian State, which kind of leaves Israel holding all the cards, kicking the stool out from under the Palestinian legs, holding a gun to the Palestinians head and claiming the Palestinian aren’t playing fair!!!
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid, It doesn't take a genius to see the current situation of bombings, aggression, lack of international intervention and political procrastination suits Israel. That the only winner here is Israel – that doesn’t make it right – or fair – and trying to sanitise what is effectively ethnic cleansing because they are Muslims, so therefore somehow guilty of something.. well, you’re a smart guy, you tell me what that is?
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TYwokki It's becoming very apparent that the main source of your information is from a muslim perspective, I refuse to accept any religiously biased news. I also draw my conclusions based open sources, not media controlled. You do nothing but support under dogs no matter what the evidence is, I support true democracy and freedom, something the islamic world refuses to accept.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
TE Lawrence, Amnesty International, Stanford Law, “A Muslim perspective”! What I think is becoming apparent is that you are just anti-Islamic.
I’d love to know your ‘open sources’. I use academic journals, credited literature and published articles in legitimate newspapers and magazines. My opinion is based in human rights and the moral perspective – not some political zeitgeist based on racial ignorance.
I’ll show you democracy in Israel /watch?v=JfQu5HFZQPY&feature=related
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TYwokki Funny myself and my colleges use the same sources as you and none of us have come up with the same view. So how long do you search to find all the negatives about Israel? Because it's very apparent that's all you do, granted Israel has problems, but nothing like your saying.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
How long do I search!? I don’t need to ‘search’. I happened to have studied Human Rights, Theory & Practice at University. I used post-1964 Israel as my case study. I also worked for Amnesty for a short while in the mid 90s. I teach law, environmental law actually and I’m a Research Associate on Political Environmental Policy, but I read a lot of case journals including international policy and the US Policywatch. Human Rights are more of a side interest for me really.
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid, Plus I’m educated. It gives me the wide breadth of knowledge. I don’t just rely on unsubstantiated rhetoric or un-credible rightwing media. I use this thing called Evidence, Rational and Empiricism.
You and you ‘colleagues’ should try it sometime. Might help your arguing skills.
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TYwokki Your anti-semitic, that in it's self shows a lack of education.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid, Wow, you’re pulling out all the nuggets now!! Anti-Semitic! That’s the rational of the bigot if ever I’ve seen it. You be calling me a fascist next – save your fingers – look up Godwin's law first
TYwokki 2 months ago
and stick to your argument, some against-evidence, shallow, nonsensical, a polemic, absurdity and vacuum of thought that doesn’t make any sense or have any benefit to anyone!
If you lack the skills to bring evidence and discussion to the table, follow a conversation or even have the slightest ounce of knowledge to inform the discussion – you should probably stay out of adult conversation. You’ll just end up saying ignorant things that embarrass yourself – just like you just did.
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TYwokki The only reason the "palestinian people" were created was to start an armed conflict. If they had been formed for a national identy, they would have accepted the land offered to them in 1947, which was a little over half of todays Israel. Instead they started a war, followed by another war, Israel has tried for peace, the arabs won't stop the fighting. If you knew any history you would know this already.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
The land reverted to a de facto Arab control right up to WW1. The Palestinians fought with the Allies against the Turks. Then the Allies, mainly the British, went back on their word and split the region up under geographic lines not ethnicity (though to be honest it would’ve been quite hard to do it any other way). If you notice the ‘historic’ boarders are straight lines. Palestine at this time was all Palestinian people – including Jewish, Muslim and Christian.
TYwokki 2 months ago
The Balfour Declaration of November 1917, the key statement of British support for Zionism, ended that. By the end of WW2 Israel was a State alone, and only Jews could be Israeli. Palestinians are now what is left.
So there you go, a history lesson to help your break your ignorance towards understanding the matter. Next time, try not to ask such silly questions – or make any crass and ridiculous statements – you just look like a cretin.
TYwokki 2 months ago
Sad thing is, the complexity of the Israel and Palestine situation transcends just the Israeli and Palestinian people. The geopolitical situation means there’s so many other countries, all with their own selfish objectives, using the People in the middle as pawns. That fact that the US has Allen West, a fuckwitt who thinks it comes down to the complex of historic-geography getting the two favourite comments above makes me think the US is full of fuckwitts too!
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TYwokki New flash air head, the palestinian people are a lie created by Yassir Arafat. The word palestinian isn't even arabic, it's ancient roman. The "palestinian people" didn't exist until 1964 when Yassir Arafat announced them to the world. Keep listening to just the "palestinians" and you'll start to believe all their lies. And by the way, I learned all this in numerous world history classes.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid, Palestinians were created by Arafat! That’s some statement. Your ignorance is the answer (to a lot of your questions too from the looks of things).
Palestinians are Arabs. Majority of Arabs are tribal. Many [traditionally] don’t have or need currency as they’d barter. Arabs occupied the area of Palestine from around the same time the Jews did. Demographics and DNA analysis shows very little to no difference genetically.
TYwokki 2 months ago
The religions also have a lot of similarities too (one of the reasons they were able to live together for so long) Palestine is referred to in the Bible, Qur’an and the Torah under the name. The Diaspora of Jews, which came about from a variety of reasons depending on your Faith cast or historic angle, was also accompanied by Palestinian Diasporas. More Arabs remained in Jerusalem however. Possibly to do with the legacy of Saladin and Muslim control of Jaffa for so long.
TYwokki 2 months ago
US actually threatened to put sanctions on Palestine for trying!!!
Yeah, all this, nothing to do with US or Israel. Go back to your sound bites and stay out of ‘current affairs’ – it’s obviously too complicated for you to understand.
Go YouTube “Naama Margolese”- and see if the regions just full of Muslim fundementalists who deserve to be systmaticaly wipped off the map. Or read about the Russian involvement and tell me this is just Palestinian provocation!!
TYwokki 2 months ago
The other half seem to think the Palestinians are all terrorists – yet seem completely comfortable following guys like Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Rabin! Begin had links in terrorism around the world up to his death including the IRA, and Irv Rubin’s Kach Party who tried to kill an US Congressman in 2001.
TYwokki 2 months ago
[ illegally] taken – which is in my opinion not a deal. The US and UK instead go along with the terrorist propaganda the Israeli’s push to legitimize more and more invasion into Palestinian land that only serves to complicate the issue further. One half of the US seem to believe it’s all the UN’s fault – but don’t condemn any Political Party that agrees to veto any UN intervention! Like the most recent Palestinian attempt to obtain State recognition.
TYwokki 2 months ago
That’s with the PLO agreeing to the ’67 boarders or course which is the UN’s agreement too. Yet we don’t stop them or stand by the UN’s authority – take Camp David –it failed because Clinton didn’t push the Israelis on the key issue, following 242, instead we criticize the Palestinians for not agreeing with what the Israelis bring to the table like in 2000. Deals that are pretty much political suicide for any PLO representative and usually putting the Palestinians losing everything...
TYwokki 2 months ago
And if you believe Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, EU Human Rights Council, Stanford Law in the US or numerous clandestine international journalist in Gaza, Erez, West Bank, wherever, Israel’s also guilty of numerous accusations of torture and Crimes against Humanity, Extra-Judicial Executions, attacks on medical personnel and humanitarian access, Human Rights Violation on civilians, use of Illegal weapons, use of phosphorous bombs and indiscriminate/disproportionate attacks.
TYwokki 2 months ago
I’m more interested in the Palestinians however as they’re more of an ethical and humanitarian debate. The Jews are being more of a hindrance than a help – especially with their protection of [illegal] Land-Grabs, [illegal] blocking of free movement, [illegal] holding of Palestinian prisoners and [illegal] blocking of observers to the conflict as well (something the West used for their case to dispose Saddam with I might add).
TYwokki 2 months ago
other question: Do americans deserve a state?
pokemon2510 2 months ago
ISREAL does ecxsist but only a name on a map but it doesnt exsist in the worlds hearts and minds esp the hearts and minds of the Palestinians and allah swt will help us to reclaim the land but before that we will conquer with peace
ISLAMIQEDUCATION 2 months ago
This Allen West guy (whoever the fuck he is??!!) sounds like the biggest:
HOUSE NIGGER SLAVE!!!
I have ever fucking heard of!!!
What a FUCKING UNCLE TOM!!!
It's obvious there was no branch of the KKK wherever he grew up!
TheVindicator85 2 months ago
Mr. West is all over Obama about Libya and the violations of the war powers act. Fine, I agree. He applauds Dennis Kucinich and his resolution to stop Obama but he also fails to mention that that whole charge was lead on the Republican side by Ron Paul, a man he condemns. Mr. West, you find it convenient to obey the Constitution when started by a Democrat and zip your lip over the illegal one started by a Republican. Your voting record is nowhere near that of Dr. and Congressman Ron Paul.
nalejbank 2 months ago
And by the way Allen West, Israel has never been a State either, until the Jews had international backing to have the land handed to them off the British. The Jews were in armed conflict with the British at the time; the Irgun planted bombs and beheaded people. This little bit of ‘history’ – west chooses not to remember of course! Mind you, i suppose it’s hard not to take sides when you’re part of a Government who make Billions selling arms to both parties.
TYwokki 3 months ago
@TYwokki It appears that you don't know history. Israel was a "state" (actually a kingdom) from 1422 BC until their overthrow by the Romans in 70 AD. They occupied all the land from Syria to the north to Egypt in the south and also what is now Jordon to the east for almost 1500 years. Their return - prophesied in Scripture - is now happening, never to be reversed again.
TheThumper49 2 months ago
@TheThumper49 I doesnt matter who was there first why cant they just live in peace, why do Isreal keep breaching the terms of the treaty?
ISLAMIQEDUCATION 2 months ago
@TheThumper49, I think it’s You who needs a history lesson, or at least one in sociology if you think ancient plutocratic Kingdoms have any comparison to modern Nation States. Especially Palestine and Israel today!
And there’s many who don’t believe the Jews are supposed to have a ‘homeland’ – and I’m not saying that as any anti-Semitic statement – Jewish scholars have argued that point – not me.
And no, they’re probably not going to be moved now. Who’s asking them to?
TYwokki 2 months ago
People have to stop avoiding the issue. Palestine and the Palestinians aren’t just going to go away. And why the rest of the world sits back and lets Israel crudely break international law and attempt to push the Palestinians into Jordan there’s only going to be intensification internally of extremist parties like Hamas and externally like Al-Qaeda.
TYwokki 3 months ago
@TYwokki not to mention the bias laws which only apply to Palestinians :)
ISLAMIQEDUCATION 2 months ago
It’s funny, the only reason the UN has struggled to get a grip on the situation there is because the US & the UK has blocked any attempt in any concerned action – and the average American sees this as a weakness in the UN as an affective organisation rather than the USs unfair protection of an aggressive [oppressive] State!
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TYwokki
You need to read a bit of history. The UN proposed peace plans in 1947, 1967, 2000. The Palestinians rejected peace every time. Nothing to do with the US or Israel.
MrSecondThoughts 2 months ago
I think you need to get your ‘history’ lessons outside of sound bites MrSecondThoughts.
Firstly, ’47 wasn’t a peace plan. And most of the Peace Talks in the past have been manufactured to fail. They’re hardly ‘Peace Talks’ when both sides turn up with demands they know the other side can’t politically or logically ratify. Plus, everyone, including the US, UK and Israel, know the PLO won’t agree to anything until Israel stops building [illegally] in the occupied territories.
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TYwokki
Please, as if putting up some new houses in the settlements would stop you entering into negotiations for your own country. The Arabs reject peace and statehood every time it is offered. Here's a thought - maybe its because thats not what they really want?
MrSecondThoughts 2 months ago
@MrSecondThoughts, And we went over this didn’t we?! No, they didn’t, not without a whole host of terms and conditions, prerequisites they know can’t politically be granted. The mere idea that Israel turned up and said we just want peace and the PLO turn around and say “Nope, we want War” is fucking stupid.
PLO have said they will recognize Israel’s Right to statehood. They’ve offered concessions on resources in the area – they’ve asked for Israel to respect the boarders...
TYwokki 1 month ago
.. boarders given in ’47 – UN 242 – Israel say yeah that sounds okay – but don’t move out of the Occupied Territories or stop building in the Occupied Territories. Doesn’t sound like granting peace unconditionally to me!
As for “putting up some new houses in the settlements”! When you say things like that you just sound like a simpleton. All you’re doing is showing you know fuck-all about the situation over there.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki
Israel will stop development and move out of the 'occupied territories' as part of a comprehensive negotiated settlement. The Palestinians should stop whining like bitches and get back to peace talks.
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
And negotiations on the OTs, Israel agreed to that almost 20years ago. All they’ve done is carry on building. Last time they did [forcefully] move settlers out, there was internal political uproar and the settlers moved back in with the newly elected pro-setter agenda government. Truth is Israel don’t care. They want ALL the land. Even if it’s illegal, immoral and driving a wedge between the West and Muslim Nations as We, primarily the US, supports it.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki
Israel wants all the land, so they handed over Gaza, and the West Bank, to the PA? You're making no sense.
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
What the fuck are you talking about?! Look, if you don’t know what you’re talking about don’t just make shit up. You’ll just embarrass yourself.
Israel illegally occupied Gaza and the West Bank. They were made to give it back. The IDF have since created a barrier around the zones and control all movement, including food etc., going in and out by an air and sea blockade. The Turkish recently tried to get through and some Turk Aid workers were killed.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki
When you grow up, and learn to control your emotions, you will be able to debate ideas and politics without resorting to abuse, and recognise that there are opinions and approaches that are different to your own, that are valid, and which you yet disagree with. When your brain reaches this level of development, feel free to debate me again.
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
@MrSecondThoughts, No, not bipolar or psychotic – just sick and tired of going around in circles and repeating myself to you. I’d talk to you with respect and politely if you didn’t just keep throwing up the same argument each time I answer you. I didn’t make my original point to argue. You replied to me, remember. I criticised Adam West saying “There is no Palestine”. I think we can agree I’ve more than submitted an argument to say there actually is and West was wrong.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki You are wrong as can be. There never has been a "Palestine". What was their currency? Who were their leaders before 1964? They are a made in the Kremlin movement. Why is there NO "Palestinian" history book? Why are they never mentioned in history - anywhere at any time? Before 1948 the ONLY "Palestinians" were Jews.
dveednatan 1 month ago
@dveednatan The wasn't a Israel in ancient times. Its all based on mythology based on man made book called the bible.
arronnov 1 month ago
@dveednatan, “Before ’64 the only Palestinians were Jews”! From the start, the history of Palestine I’ve been on a merry-go-round with for weeks here. I’m not going to start again. All I’ll say in regards to “what was their...?” bit you asked is; they are Arab – Not Persian. They haven’t lived like Jews, no, but that doesn’t mean they have to be treated as some non-human species. Arabs have lived in the region of Palestine from the time it was the Kingdom of Israel.
TYwokki 1 month ago
They’ve been the minority and the majority at different points over history and lived in the region alongside Jew, Druze, Samaritan and Christian peacefully for the majority of that time too. There is absolutely no point to try and pretend that they just ‘moved in’ in the last 50years to cause trouble. Trying to make them into persona non grata now, for no other reason but their religion, is completely archaic an attitude. Funny that!
TYwokki 1 month ago
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They’ve been the minority and the majority at different points over history and lived in the region alongside Jew, Druze, Samaritan and Christian peacefully for the majority of that time too. There is absolutely no point to try and pretend that they just ‘moved in’ in the last 50years to cause trouble. Trying to make them into persona non grata now, for no other reason but their religion, is completely archaic an attitude. Funny that!
TYwokki 1 month ago
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They’ve been the minority and the majority at different points over history and lived in the region alongside Jew, Druze, Samaritan and Christian peacefully for the majority of that time too. There is absolutely no point to try and pretend that they just ‘moved in’ in the last 50years to cause trouble. Trying to make them into persona non grata now, for no other reason but their religion, is completely archaic an attitude. Funny that!
TYwokki 1 month ago
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They’ve been the minority and the majority at different points over history and lived in the region alongside Jew, Druze, Samaritan and Christian peacefully for the majority of that time too. There is absolutely no point to try and pretend that they just ‘moved in’ in the last 50years to cause trouble. Trying to make them into persona non grata now, for no other reason but their religion, is completely archaic an attitude.
TYwokki 1 month ago
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They’ve been the minority and the majority at different points over history and lived in the region alongside Jew, Druze, Samaritan and Christian peacefully for the majority of that time too. There is absolutely no point to try and pretend that they just ‘moved in’ in the last 50years to cause trouble. Trying to make them into persona non grata now, for no other reason but their religion, is completely archaic an attitude.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@dveednatan Never was there a time where "Israel" exist before 1948. Before 1948, it was a "God given land" base on genocide. Arabs pre date Israelis since 1002 B.C ever heard of the Falasteen?
lilhavanaboys 1 month ago
@lilhavanaboys dude, it's so easy these days! you don't have to read an entire edition of world book encyclopedias or go to college for 8 years. just read fucking wikipedia. i'm almost certain it posesses a slight lean to the left, but it's so damn convenient for lazy asses like myself and apparently yourself as well! ever hear of Moses you anti semitic peice of shit! get your facts strait you brainwashed fuck! Jews will not go peacefully into the ovens again cheesedick!!!! and learn how to type
hammerdick777 1 month ago in playlist Sept 2011
@hammerdick777 Again, Ad hominem and poorly manifested 'argument'. Just because your book of fairy tales tells how the world was from your biased view, doesn't make it "Ok" Israel is a religious fundamentalist state just like the Arab ones. And again, how am I "Anti Semitic" stop running off from the mouth. I have Jewish friends, Most of my teachers were Jewish and I went to school in the Jewish side of town. How am I "Anti Semitic" Arabs are also Semitic people.
lilhavanaboys 1 month ago
@hammerdick777 "Learn how to type" Excuse me, how is my typing poor? You can't even spell "Possesses" nor "Semitic" nor "piece" nor "Straight" and you say I don't know how to type. You misspelled the most simplest words ever. Grow up. You provided NO Argument(s) what so ever. Israel is a terrorist state. They are the only state that uses chemical weapons on unarmed populations and can get away with it.
lilhavanaboys 1 month ago
@lilhavanaboys
They aren't a terrorist state. They want nothing more to live in peace and keep what is rightfully theirs. They are surrounded by those who want nothing more than to see them non-existent, destroyed. Is it any wonder they are not giving in to demands to give up their land and aren't doing what they know will leave them vulnerable?
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim They raided Humanitarian aid ships on international waters, they kidnap and kill children, they use illegal and banned chemical weapons on unarmed populations, sets up racial laws similar to those of Nazi Germany and 1950's America; and as well, they are illegally occupying a whole nation. And you're telling me that they aren't a "Terrorist state"
Want proof? I will be more than happy to show you it. I back up every word I say.
lilhavanaboys 3 weeks ago
@lilhavanaboys
Do you really know the story behind the ship they boarded? If you did, you'd know it was no innocent ship and were not following proper channels themselves. I think you may need to do a bit more research.
Myhopeisinhim 3 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim No as a matter of fact even Israel admited they had nothing on the ship and that they edited the audio. Again, I can and will back up every statement I make. I don't pull things from my ass. And out of everything I listed, you could only half defend the ship they raided. Ignore everything else. How blind are you people?
lilhavanaboys 3 weeks ago
@lilhavanaboys
*shakes head*. Why can't you acknowledge that the ship was going outside of normal means? They did it on purpose. There were other channels where they could legally bring aid to the strip, but they insisted on taking the illegal route.
The bible tells us that all the world will rise against Israel, that she will be perplexed on all sides but that through this the people of earth would see the glory of God. You are doing exactly what the bible foretold.
Myhopeisinhim 3 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim And illegal route on international waters. Yeah, that makes sense (Not.) The bible also tells us to stone women and gays to death. It also tells us to kill and destroy races and cultures if they don't believe in your "Devin" God. You are doing exactly what many philosophers had foretold as well. Ignorance is a bliss. And you are ignorant enough to believe in a book that talks about "Peace" and "War" at the same time. What a contradiction.
lilhavanaboys 3 weeks ago
@lilhavanaboys
There are proper channels to bring aid into gaza. The ship was refusing to use proper channels and they were trying to go through the blockade. If they were truly there to help the people, they'd use the means necessary instead of trying to cause trouble.
Since you don't care to acknowledge this, you are obviously not willing to see the truth of what is really going on. Someone or something wants the world to turn against israel.
Myhopeisinhim 3 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim
The ship was on international waters. Again, there is no possible illegal way they could had enter. international waters. And I love how you still ignore how Israel kidnaps children and uses banned chemical weapons. No one wants to destroy Israel. If anything, it's the other way around. Israel is using the same racial prejudice as the Nazi did to them. They go and occupy other lands and destroy cultures just like the Nazis.
lilhavanaboys 3 weeks ago
@lilhavanaboys
You make it seem like they just simply go and take an innocent person off the street and kidnap them like you see happen around the world in other cities. Where a bad evil guy takes a child off the street who is innocently walking home after school.
Do you know what palestinians do to their children? how they raise their children? What they train their children to do? Do you know that many of those children were attacking the soldiers, throwing rocks at them....
Myhopeisinhim 3 weeks ago
They teach their kids that a suicide death for allah is the greatest honor. For goodness sake they strap bombs to their kids and you want me to look bad at israel? I think you need to make yourself more aware of what really is going on.
Myhopeisinhim 3 weeks ago 8
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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO! WANT TO SEE A VIDEO FROM A SECURITY CAMARA IN PALESTINE? THERE A FEW VIDEOS SHOWING THE IDF DOING EXACTLY THAT!
As a matter of fact I do because I live in a very multicultural city and I have many Muslim friends. Oh dear me. A kid throwing a rock at a soldier armed with a M16, full body armor, and a platoon of tanks behind him. Oh the horror.
lilhavanaboys 3 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim They strap bomb to their kids? As if Israel never used human shields. And according to Humanitarian rights' watch, Palestine has never use human shields. It's actually Israel that does, not to mention their clear kidnapping of children.
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lilhavanaboys 3 weeks ago
@Myhopeisinhim Why is it that the 117-page Amnesty International report "found no evidence of Palestinian militants using human shields to stop Israeli attacks, but it accuses the Israel Defence Forces of launching attacks from buildings in which Palestinian civilians were sheltering, and charges Israeli forces with killing hundreds of unarmed Palestinian civilians and wanton destruction of thousands of homes." -
Koutsoukis, J. (2009). Israeol used human shields: Amnesty, The Age
lilhavanaboys 3 weeks ago
@lilhavanaboys Your a fucking communist, you hate anything to do with democracy and freedom.
TheBardicDruid 1 week ago
@TheBardicDruid I can see why the American educational system is consider to be the "Worst" in the world, and I am witnessing the direct results. So, seeing that your American, your ignorance is understandable. One: I'm not a Communist, I'm a Social Anarchist. Two, I do not hate freedom, I promote it. Three, American, nor any government in the world is a 'Democracy' I hope you do know that, right?
lilhavanaboys 1 week ago
@lilhavanaboys Considering I've traveled and lived all over the world, I call 'em as I see 'em. And I received my education before the dumbing down of America started, and have studied abroad. You see I speak from experience from being there, not watching YouTube.
TheBardicDruid 1 week ago
@TheBardicDruid First of all you're not seeing me at all, what you are seeing is a projection of my ideas which clearly stated "Anarchism." Don't be ridiculous.
lilhavanaboys 1 week ago
@TheBardicDruid
I don't care if you "Speak from experience" because you have none above me. Live most of your life in the 3rd world and tell me you have more "Experience" than me.
lilhavanaboys 1 week ago
@lilhavanaboys Actually I've probably spent more time in many different 3rd world countries than I have here, and yes kid I have a ton more experience than you.
TheBardicDruid 1 week ago
@TheBardicDruid I really find that hard to believe. And second, visiting is way different than living in it. Ok? Don't tell me that a middle class white American knows how "Hard it is" by visiting a place. You may get a scope of the problem, but you don't know how it is to have your nation subordinated to your country's "Democracy" Which is Neo Colonialism.
lilhavanaboys 1 week ago
@lilhavanaboys Americas education is number 28. not worst far from it.
lordnocts 1 week ago
@TheBardicDruid Actually no we just hate fucktards like who think that we do hate democracy and freedom.
xeno210 1 week ago
@Myhopeisinhim I would be carful about what you hear about islam in the western media.
xeno210 1 week ago
@Myhopeisinhim And I think you need to stop listening to western media.
xeno210 1 week ago
@TYwokki
I'm so stupid yet even a dumb fuck like me knows Israel would be crazy to negotiate on your terms
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
They call the Palestinians terrorists, citing that as a reason to drop bombs, build walls and impose some of the most messed up anti-social laws on them. I see what’s going on there; listen to people who have come back from working over there describing the horrible conditions the Palestinians have to go through. The way that the Israelis are systematically stripping them of their dignity, rights and lives. Israel is a Nation built on the blood of the innocent.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki
Way to go with the blood libels. There's a book I think you'd really like, its called 'Mein Kampf'
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
@MrSecondThoughts, Mein Kampf! You’re really running out of ideas now aren’t you?
God you’re a pathetic imbecile.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki
No really, its where your ideas come from. you'd love it. You can borrow a copy from your friends in Hamas.
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
@MrSecondThoughts, what's a shame is that people like you are so misinformed, or you're too focused on the small things you can't see the big picture.
Look though YouTube at some of the videos on the region. And stay away from those fucking anti-Islam videos made by idiots.
People like Adam West are politicans with an agenda. Mostly involving making them rich. They're the problem - not the solution.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki
I see the big picture fine, thanks: hypocrites like you hating on Israel all the while denying and minimising the actions of their enemies.
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
I’m not denying that Hamas and factions of the PLO are antagonizing Israel. I’m just saying Israel are just as bad, if not worse, because the Israelis are the ones who hold all the cards and yet have a tendency to make it out like the Palestinians are all terrorists.
I know you it’s complicated and hard for you to comprehend this MrZeroThoughs, but at least try.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki
Standard issue PSM denial of responsibility for Palestinians for their own problems. They need to get rid of their useless leaders to begin with.
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
[On denial] You could say that about Israel too. Israel, and Palestinians too I give you that, but Israel has external influences that construct the political climate. That includes the US who uses Israel/Palestine as a proxy war with Iran. Proof of that is Iran and Israel is not traditional enemies. Iran supplied oil to Israel up-to and after the Six Day War.
Russia also, Russia weirdly enough has become a Political Allies to Israel. [cont]
TYwokki 1 month ago
[cont] There’s a large Russian Jew population in Israel. Russian workers are also allowed to vote strongly enough through marriage to Russian Jews, and they tend to vote along quite right-wing lines too. The 2009 Knesset Elections saw Israeli Russians push the liberals out and establish the Likud in power – centre rights who think building in Gaza, West Bank etc. is fundamental to Israel’s future and the Zionist Values. [cont]
TYwokki 1 month ago
@MrSecondThoughts, [cont] Of course this, as I’ve said before, goes against International [UN] Law and the PLOs Peace Agreements agreed in Camp David.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki It does NOT go against International Law. The UN Charter embodies the law of the League of Nations which specifically declares the area called "Palestine" is specifically for the Jewish homeland. Not a word about Arabs. As far as the "Demographic Problem", the Arab birth rate in Judea and Samaria has fallen below the Jewish birth rate in Judea and Samaria AND in Israel proper! In fact, according to the latest population figures, the Arab birth rate is falling in all
dveednatan 1 month ago
@dveednatan, Secondly, the building in the occupied territories defiantly goes against International Law. The UN has no sovereignty, but its Agreements are internationally binding for signatory nations. The UN stated the non-Israeli territories; IDF occupied them after ’67. Palestine has become a de facto state. Dragging up the LofN, which Israel and the US were never members of –
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki
The United Nations Also said that Israel belongs to Jews The United Nations Declared the country What do you say what is comfortable for Muslims The sons of bitches
MrDaniedl 4 weeks ago
@MrDaniedl
The West Bank and Gaza aren't part of Israel.
RedXlV 4 weeks ago
US never ratified membership to the IofN – is again archaic and redundant to the problems now. The LofN has no precedence over the UN.
Demographics – don’t know where you get your data from but it goes against UN/WHO information and the most recent published in the US showed 1st and 2nd generation immigrants to the West overtook non-immigrants rates.
TYwokki 1 month ago
Birthrates are highest in Africa, but countries in the Middle East aren’t far behind. As for whether they are dropping now, I can’t argue that, but it’s irrelevant as the first point still stands to the original question put to me by MrSecondThoughts.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki (cont) of the Islamic countries unlike Israel and the United States where the birth rates are climbing!
dveednatan 1 month ago
@dveednatan, Look, I’m not anti-Israel. I’m not trying to suggest the breakdown of the Israeli system or the demonizing of Jewish people. But your ‘facts’ are the same as those pumped up of the Israel media machine that only confuses the situation rather than attempts to solve it. I see it as procrastination designed to slow down the political process which plays into the Israeli land. As Lama Abu-Odeh said, lost time is far worse than lost land.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki One more thing. The Peace Agreements agreed in Camp David are DEAD! The PA has negated them and they are no more!
dveednatan 1 month ago
@MrSecondThoughts, You’re educated on a diet of propaganda produced by those against any type of peace in the region – and you have the absolute arrogance to criticize poor people who are dying, every day, because of brain-dead, simple minded, fuck-head politics like the type you put so much faith in is believed by small mined, naive, cretins like yourself. From now on DO SOME FUCKING HOMEWORK before typing your mundane, pretentious and pathetic level of knowledge to me.
TYwokki 1 month ago
Secondly, @MrSecondThoughts, Israel refuse to recognize Palestinians right to Statehood. Right wing Israelis call them Syrians, refusing to recognize them as even Palestinian people. This is despite the region has been known as Palestine since the Romans took control of the area, and despite Palestinian UN diplomats are some of the longest serving! And US and UK back Israel and veto the admittance of Palestine as a recognized State!!
TYwokki 2 months ago
@TYwokki
And what was the region known as BEFORE the Romans took control? Thats right, Judea, as in, land of the Jews.
MrSecondThoughts 2 months ago
@MrSecondThoughts, Ha, I love it! You do know Judea is inside Palestine don’t you? It was surrounded by now gone States of Philistine, Moab, even Samaritan (you should look them up in regard to Israel/Palestine– might learn something). The best bit about ‘The Kingdom of Israel and Judea’, is, it was smaller than modern Israel. It didn’t even encompass Gaza, which is one of the main contestation points, Palestine holding the majority of Gaza – and Israel wanting it.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki
So...you accept there was a state of Israel, the historical home of the Jews, in the region thousands of years ago and inhabited continuously by Jews since then. Well at least there's one sane Arab on youtube.
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
What! No, I said there WAS a Kingdom of Israel. Do you even read what I’m writing. Talk about ignorant! Too many words for you? No bloody wonder you’re so misinformed! Learned all your Current Affairs information from the cartoons probably? I don’t deny Jew of Palestine/Israel now, or in the past. I think it would be better if Modern Israel had been designed to allow Christians, Muslims, Druze and Jew alike to be Israeli – but that’s the fault of Britain and France really.
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki
OK well at last we get to your real point, that Israel does not have the right to exist as a Jewish state.
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
@MrSecondThoughts, And again, I never said Israel hasn’t the Right to exist!! Re-Read my fucking comments you plebe!
Jesus, it’s like trying to explain precipitation to someone who refuses to believe in water!!
TYwokki 1 month ago
@TYwokki
Judging by your style of argument, you are either 13 years old or you' have some sort of anger/psychotic tendencies - maybe you're bipolar?
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
@TYwokki
Right...so Israel has the right to exist....but not as a Jewish state....which would mean it would cease to be a Jewish state in a generation....which would mean the end of the state of Israel...
MrSecondThoughts 1 month ago
@MrSecondThoughts, Don’t know if it’d be a generation. But I don’t buy into that argument anyway. Jewish households are just as big as Arab traditionally. The only difference is the modern state of Israel is quite cosmopolitan. I guess the only way you could know whether that’s true or false and whether the Muslim’s would adopt western ways too rather than ‘traditional’ would be to look at other modern Muslim countries. [cont]
TYwokki 1 month ago
[cont] Turkey, Lebanon and many Eastern European Muslim’s have – I don’t see why ‘Muslim Israelis’ wouldn’t have also given the chance. There’s no evidence to suggest they wouldn’t put it that way. When people use that as a reason not to extend citizenship to Muslims in Israel it’s a self prophesy of itself in my opinion. Strict rather than liberal Islamic traditions are more frequent in poorer Islamic states. Palestine is a poor state because of the conditions of War.
TYwokki 1 month ago
[and] Palestinian families are larger at the moment because they are poorer and stricter. You might see that as causal or contentious, but the British used that same logic against the Catholics in Northern Ireland – Catholics with larger families because their religion forbids contraceptives. Catholics are now greater in number Protestants in Northern Ireland. Liberalism Catholicism in Southern Ireland however is much more common, especially in the cities.
TYwokki 1 month ago
It’s some of the only freshwater there. Israel imports most of their water from Turkey you know. The best thing is, even if your point wasn’t a contradiction of what you’re trying to prove, the Torah and Bible both refer to the Land of Israel that is in Palestine. Still, your only saving grace is that the same books describe Sodom and Gomorrah, now accepted to never have existed, so maybe we shouldn’t be using Archaic/Preclassic text as definitions of modern territories ai?
TYwokki 1 month ago
The same American would also label any Muslim a “terrorist” with so much ease and viciousness, it makes me wonder if the ‘average’ American these days is removed from the real world all together!
TYwokki 2 months ago
So his reference for not giving the Palestinians the right to a homeland is because historically there hasn’t been one?!
Well there wasn’t a State or Nation of the United Sates of America until a group of elected representatives for the people, by the people, stood up and made themselves heard on that issue.
TYwokki 3 months ago
Do you want lasting peace in middle east? and you will see no more billion dollar of US aid each year to such country as Egypt or Pakistan to counter terrorism? I'll tell you the simple and easy way to make that happen. Let the Palestinian get their right for statehood in area colonized by Israel since 1967 war.
Indo79nesia 3 months ago
my brother inlaw is muslim his family was forced out by Israel, I am latin but we argue about this issue, what got me was my sister slammed me for siding with the Jews and Israel. This land is from God's chosen people period I don't care what anyone says, plus Israel been their for thousand of years.
silentsteve63 3 months ago
The Arabs think they're slick...got everybody believing that they are true natives of Judea. Hasn't it occurred to anyone that Judea and Jerusalem are Hebrew names? I mean, when did the Arabs start naming their lands with Hebrew names?
sugarhitman 3 months ago
what a zionist shill this guy is
helping to steal Palestinian land
TARASONE100 3 months ago
@TARASONE100 "Palestinian" land is in Jordan, not Israel.
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@particle58 "Palestinian" land is in Jordan, not Israel."
"Israhell" land is in Germany, not Palestine.
SMLIPRT 3 days ago
who the hell is this allen west?
Rot in hell Jews! and americans
and no I'm not an Arab
limelime21 3 months ago
ALLEN WEST IS MY CONGRESSMAN AND I MET HIM 15 TIMES!! BUT; he is WAY to pro Israel. I agree with him, but I dont want to invade Iran for Israel. Ron Paul/Allen West 2012.
HalfBornUnicornFetus 3 months ago
lol one must suck off the jews fully before getting anywhere it seems
siccmadegames 3 months ago
Thank God Almighty, YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob for courageous men like Allen West! Keep speaking the truth brother, let the haters and snakes come out of their holes, its easier to stomp their heads into the earth that way!!!
particle58 3 months ago
He barks a bit for his jewish master to give him the "election bone"
montezoma 3 months ago
why isnt this guy president?
ronstew117 3 months ago 9
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Because he's an ASSHOLE , just like you!!!
TheVindicator85 2 months ago