the guard was too low, considering the height difference. the reality of the street before the opponent pulled his fist, would on the ground with a broken knee
Every martial art is good as good you are.This guy for sure wasn't an expert. Real WT/WC expert would definitely act differently. Besides, he shouldn't have waited for him to attack, he should have went into clinch what WT/WC is made for. "Do not box the boxer, do not kick the kicker and so on... do you own thing." Also, WT/WC is made to live with it, not to destroy your surroundings. If you do want to join MMA with it, you sure have to change your mind setup and get really aggressive.
@MrFiniMangup Yes , I agree with you ! And the white t-shirt is the sign for a student with a lower graduation ! The best car can not win a race when the driver is a dilettante !
I agree traditional Wing Chun does not work in the ring (trained for 2 years). Its principles are good but only if you integrate ring worthy moves and stances. Just look at that guy standing like a fighting cock with his head held high above his arms with no defense at all! That's the first target I will go for... that's why in ring fighting, the golden adage is always to "Keep Your Arms UP"!
LOL @ the idiotic comments on here. MMA is as close to real fighting as fighting sports gets, save for Vale Tudo. The results against any traditional martial style will almost always be the same, barring pure luck. Wing Tsun is crap, like any other traditional martial art.
@opinionatedaunti key word in your comment = fight SPORT. remember that, it's a SPORT not a REAL FIGHT, not a fight where your trying to kill or perminantly debilitate. If I fight you on the street I can gauge your eyes, break your fingers, pull your ears off, break your neck, spine etc. Don't get it twisted MMA is NOT real martial combat, in China just a couple hundred years ago martial artists often killed people with their bare hands. "Wing Tsun is crap"... your a funny dude lol.
Wrong. You can TRY to do these things. What you actually CAN do, is searching your teeth on the ground after getting punched by somebody who is trained for fighting. In sparring and confrontation.
"in China just a couple hundred years ago martial artists often killed people with their bare hands"
Yeah the old art of punching somebody to the ground and kicking him to death. Happens every day somewhere in the world. Old China, omfg.
@Sokolo43 ok you swing for my teeth I'll put my fingers so deep into your eye sockets I'll be able to tickle your brain. or maybe I'll grab your throat and crush your windpipe while your throwing punches like a goon. good luck with that buddy ;)
You know nothing about the history of martial arts or the recorded kills of kung fu legends, thanks for displaying your ignorance for all to read.
"ok you swing for my teeth I'll put my fingers so deep into your eye sockets I'll be able to tickle your brain. or maybe I'll grab your throat and crush your windpipe while your throwing punches like a goon. "
*rofl* That was great, buddy. Made my day, thanks!
"good luck with that buddy "
Yep, good luck on the streets against the goons. I think you will need it. ;)
I know nothing about kungfu legends and you know nothing about fighting. I think everyboy can be content. ;)
@Imjackedbuddyo maybe it sounds strange but pressure point fighting and small joint manipulation are the most effective. If your fighting someone twice your size and strength why not attack the eyes/throat/ since they are a weak spot that will end the fight with little effort.
@Imjackedbuddyo maybe it sounds strange but pressure point fighting and small joint manipulation are the most effective. If your fighting someone twice your size and strength why not attack the eyes/throat/ since they are a weak spot that will end the fight with little effort.
@SurvivalGrounds pulling someones ears off is pressure point fighting? and why go for those small targets when i could just jab the guy straight in the nose
@Imjackedbuddyo pulling someones ear off? what's the point.. you can use pain points and nerve centers around the ear to immobilize someone and control them. Example you have someones back or are on the side of them, hit pressure point around ear, causes extreme pain, their reaction is uncontrollable to throw their hands back towards the source of pain.. from there you can take the throat or attack and break the arm/wrist or fingers when they come reaching back. or just eye gauge, game over.
@Imjackedbuddyo trying to jab a larger, stronger opponent in the nose in a serious street fight? sure way to get your ass kicked IMO. at best you will stun them if you break the nose and cause their eyes to water. A punch to the nose won't end a fight unless your opponent has low pain threshold..... it's good for stunning and chaining with other attacks. temple or chin is a better target but still risky against a bigger, stronger fighter. go with pain points first for control and to setup KO.
@SurvivalGrounds jabbing a big guy in the nose is a lot more effective then trying to find his pressure points. and yea the jab isnt all im gonna throw i jab to like you said stun and help make an opening on him so i can land a solid hook or straight right depending on the situation
@Imjackedbuddyo yea for sure, jab is a very good weapon, probably the most underutilized in MMA, good in the street too but you can get an extra few inches reach with 'spear hand' extending your fingers and aiming for the eyes.. when it connects its almost guaranteed to end the fight because the eyes are nerve centers and the brain overloads. I don't train everyday so if some beasty, roid rage fucker comes at me I'll stick with striking vital points, blood gates and nerve centers haha ;)
@Saiga76239mm, you cannot be a martial artist, simply for giving rude answers to people you do not know. if you were wise, you would not be that emotional. i suggest you to visit sifu emin boztepe and tell him that wing tsun is not effective. may be you are a heavy and hard guy, so it should not be any problem for you to challenge him.
may be i am an idiot, but you are very arrogant. who told you that i have never been in a fight? this is not really objective. i have been in different fights, in real fights. have you? i do not mean sports events but bare knuckle fights with no rules. that wing tsun guy in the video is ridiculous. go and visit real wing tsun instructors, then we can talk again. but remember that i don`t consider wing tsun as the ultimate fighting art, but the person who fights according to his capabilities.
@Saiga76239mm HAHAHAHA When you get shanked in your abdomen and face people who don't give a fuck if you come out dead or alive then we'll see about the street not being a big deal. Sounds like you live inside gym protected by your little referees and rules. The only unreal flowery bullshit is the crap you support. AND oh Face it buddy. MMA means MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. Which means MMA also includes WT, Brazilian JJ, and other MArtial arts. Your a fucking joke buddy IQ of 2.
i love it at the end. the dude went back to his corner and as the ref helps the other dude back to his corner, the mma guy waves at him like "hey nice to meet you man."
it really just seems like the wing chun guy had no fight experience at all, poor guy, probably only practiced rolling hands and never actually fought with a live opponent
you can see how he moves around stiffly like a duck, unsure, and goes down in a single hit....nowhere near ready to step into the ring and fight
its hilarious to me when people compare MMA to styles like WC or Boxing. MMA means MIXED MARTIAL ARTS! MMA practitioners are supposed to be disciplined in several styles in order to compete. for all you know the "MMA" guy could have studied WC as well as Thai boxing, jujitsu, American boxing etc.
@Zelgraz1 Yep. Almost everything the MMA guy did is what the Wing Tsun principles teach in terms of going forward and not letting back until your opponent is beat down.
nobody can use this video as a show of wing chun's ineffectiveness, because it didnt demonstrate wing chun's failure as a system. instead, it showed a weak guy take a blow to the head and go down. does his physical weakness mean wing chun blows? not exactly. i do wing chun; the problem with it is that most wing chun DOES NOT TEACH YOU LIVE SPARRING. THEY DONT. THATS A BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD IDEA. HOW CAN YOU WORK WELL IF YOUVE NEVER TESTED IT ON A LIVE OPPONENT
why is it that every wing chun artist in competitions are big ass pussy's like u cant do wing chun for shit unless ur confident and know what ur doing like, all this guy did is punch, that doesn't beat wing chun one bit, see it would take me one move to put him on the ground and rain down a thousand punches in the face, like in the movie ip man, and the thing about it too is that u need the other guy to hit u first then u intercept and he's fucked, like slaping a chid for doing something stupid
@gods1hell1spawn10011 Thats why I say that the MMA fighter showed almost better Wing Tsun principles than the WT guy. In Wing Tsun your not supposed to jump around. The second a fighter detects movement he/she should be pounding the other persons face or body relentlessley until the other one is beaten down. This fighter sat back and watched. Attack or get attacked is the principle.
@bullshidohunter I see what you mean. I do not see many good "wing chun" videos on youtube.. but still i'd consider understanding wing chun is to understand the basics of physics in regards to human bodies.. The principles are lovely and you can not argue with newtons laws of motion.. or levers and fulcrums etc.. this clip does not express these things I speak of, but as I said i'm not wing chun man.. no expert, but this guy needs more practice in whatever style he wants to call it..
@bullshidohunter Some of this can not be helped due to wing chun being not designed for ring boxing.. It is interesting though that commercialising fighting into a "sport" or a "game" can make others tuff appear useless. I am a weak kung fu practitioner, but in a competition I can not use 90% of my habitual functions.. if I claim it as "Lyons Family Fist" then people will say lyons fist sucks. Also wing chun is not suited for Long range.I do not think you'll see it useful in any ring. thoughts?
@bullshidohunter I know the episode you mean. It surely doesn't make wing chun boxing look good. I humbly submit to you that these gentleman in the episode are not "some of the best" in china.. I am not a wing chun man, but I can see that no one in this fight seemed to be using the wing chun method.. In my own personal kung fu.. wing chun is called "the basics" it teaches angles, force generation.. newtons laws of motion.. structure and good posture.. eh I do not argue just thinking out loud
Your argument is old and tired. Every single time a Wing Chun fighter looses in a fight somebody screams one of the following: "That's not Wing Chun!", "That fighter just isn't very well trained!", or "Wing Chun doesn't work in this situation because they can't jab out eyes!" Well the fact of the matter is that these fighters both trained specifically to fight in the ring. This has happened plenty of times and the TREND is that more often than not WC fighters crumble in a fight.
@glutn4punshmnt guys let me save u the trouble and say that wing chun is one style, dont say its bad because, it is THE best fighting style in the universe of laws and physics. BUT, like i said it is only one style, there are ways to counter, and to be a good fighter u must use a bit of improve, this guy looks like all the training he's done is see a few videos... if u want to be good at wing chun u must not only have the skill but the same thought pattern aswell, u must think intercept and kill
@MrTambet I don't know if this makes more trouble or less but here "Wing Chun has been taught and integrated into the training programs of hundreds of military & law enforcement agencies around the world such as the US Navy Seals, the FBI, CIA, and SWAT teams." - Found this on some strange webpage so who knows if it is credible see it here shadowhandwingchun[dot]com/wing-chun/
The SEALs have implemented straight punches similar to Wing Chun's, but have not actually implemented Wing Chun. The FBI and CIA have never officially adopted Wing Chun as a form of H2H that has been documented, so the source is not credible.
@bullshidohunter Ok, it's true that if you start training wc the way of punching is hard to learn. But still, a wc punch is faster than a jaw because you hit straight to you're opponent, although jaws hit harder. There is no answer to what's a better fighting style, MMA or Wing Chun. That totally depends on the person, for me Wing chun is better. But that's just my opinion. And I don't know if you ever sparred a decent wing chun fighter, but I'm sure that you won't win as easily as this dude.
@bullshidohunter Shut the fuck up, wing chun is always straight forward. That's the whole idea dumbass. And this guy seems to have no fighting experience, and it's bullshit that kung fu focuses on breaking objects ( I don't know about other styles but decent wing chun schools don't focuss on beaking objects.. I think you watched too much movies. Go look up a thing or two about wing chun before you say it's a bad fighting style
@MrTambet Which special forces? And how does 'being taught to special forces' give any credentials to an art. Self defence in the army is extremely basic and mainly a confidence boost. When do you need hand to hand combat in the army? First your primary firearm has to malfunction, then your secondary firearm has to malfunction, you need to have lost your knife and the same things must have happened to your squad mates. The only time I've seen soldiers get into a fistfight was at a bar.
@MrTambet what forces use wing tsun? 100 tkd guys up against 100 mma guys, i know what art wins... There are more affective arts than others, tho every art at least one thing worth learning. this is why i love all MA's and people who dont see this are missing out on being a true alround Martial Artist.
Funny; if a Chunner loses against a better fighter, they say, that thats not WT/WC/VT; but if he wins, they are talking about these good system of WC,WT and so on.
@bullshidohunter that's it. All kung fu styles are hard to learn(wing chun is one of the easiest, tut still hard). Practictioner need talent. Just like in every skill(no only martial arts). Masters are good but they rarely fight. Write: Ving Tsun and MMA (freefight technics). That's better but that's only techniques
@bullshidohunter write Jai harman vs brawler of something like that. But that brawler is weak. And Ving tsun too but wing chun practictioner keep the rules of wing chun. Here i don't what it is.
@bullshidohunter In ,,fight quest" they met Leung Ting and his linage. The worst style in Wing chun. Leung Ting isn't real grandmaster, he is buisnessman which cheat people. Typical master of oster lines like Wong Shun Leung, Ip chun, Ip Ching can kick ass every master from Leung Ting
2. Wing chun is used by German KSK and GSG 9 special forces. FBI has not only KM. Some units know wing chun too. Special forces of Spain and Belgium use this style too. And I forget about U.S. marines(some units)
@VingTsunFANATIC funny that you mention Belgium. My cousin is actually in those special forces and he has never been taught any wing chun, just some basic self defence which, according to him, doesn't compare to his 4 year training in savate.
@bullshidohunter In ,,fight quest" they met Leung Ting and his linage. The worst style in Wing chun. Leung Ting isn't real grandmaster, he is buisnessman which cheat people. Typical master of oster lines like Wong Shun Leung, Ip chun, Ip Ching can kick ass every master from Leung Ting
@MrTambet They teach it, because the instructors haven't learned about MMA yet. If you put them in the ring, and let them get their asses beat like this chump, then i'm sure they would be more than willing to teach MMA rather than some uselss, forgotten art.
@MrTambet and why they teach them mostly mma? wing chun is mma,mma is not wing chun. its very simple. modern mma hold r aspects of fighting,while wc is very limited. vry good art that i respect much,but limited. wc vs mma with same class fighters will always end bad for wc. only what could happen is lucky punch. on ground,wc dont have any chance. and this anti grappling by wc is ridiculous and wrong. it would be bad to convince some1 this work cause he will get hurt badly. i am very objective...
That Wing Chun fighter may not be very good so this doesn't necessarily prove anything. But I do thing the problem with most WC fighters is that they're not as skilled as Bruce Lee was so it doesn't really work that well. And Bruce Lee was one of a kind, Dana White called him the father of mixed martial arts.
@MrTambet they dont teach it so much anymore man, they mainly learn bjj now because it is much better for control and weapons retention, the whole idea of unarmed combat between two people is well a bit retarded, so its more about keeping you weapon away from them and controlling till you buddy comes to shoot him, wt teachs one good think which is how blasting a guy in the face over and over will be better then throwing jabs, but its not very effective against a trained fighter
All Wing Chun is good for is it's chain punches. Other than that it has nothing but bad footwork. I'm so tired of over confident Wing Chun practitioners who believe they have the greatest martial art ever. This is just more evidence that they are wrong.
Wing chun isn't designed for ring fighting, people don't realise there is a massive difference between a fighting sport and combat, wing chun is designed as a self defence art only to be used when fighting is the only option, to end the fight quickly and get out of there, not for a sparring match, that doesn't mean it couldn't be adapted or that the mma guy would suck in the street, I just think people should realise the difference between the two before making judgements.
Actually I think the MMA guy showed more Wing Tsun principles in Action. He punched and then went straight in and did not let up his punching. Even while the other guy was on the ground.
This isn't Wing Tsun!!!! He waited and stepped back. The first sense of a punch or movement and the Wing Tsun guy should have been barraging the guy with punches, elbows, kicks etc. The only Wing Tsun thing he had was the shirt as far as I am concerned. NOT WING TSUN. FAKE!!
I think this a great example of a guy copping a great F##king left hand right in the kisser. He probably had twenty years wing tsun under his belt but obvioulsy had never had a real fight before lol.
An obvious Wing Chun rookie. What was he thinking, The system works and well but you have to know how to apply it in the mechanics of a fight! Without proper training...well the result is evident.
@iApna Well for one chinese martial arts arent suited for mma style fights, mainly due to rules about allowed striking points(kung fu tends to go for vital areas alot) and another problem is sadly even though it can work, too many teachers today focus too much on form and the kung fu looking good. A good teacher wont though. In the case of Wing Chun I would guess(I moved onto another form of kung fu but still give it great respect) three to 4 years, and if for no other reason than to escape-
@Bastion83 - The rules of MMA which prevent Kung-Fu practitioners striking vital points such as the groin is not the issue. In my opinion the lack of fight experience most SIFU's have is the issue. Most SIFU teach Kung-Fu techniques. Very few of them teach anyone how to fight.
@iApna ground sitiuations either the Sifu would have to be versed in a bit of ground fighting or the practioner would have to cross train a bit. The big problem with kung fu in sports tends to be this. Most sport fighters tend to find that well developed kung fu can do major damage but that chinese arts take longer to get there. Honestly for expert level I would say seven years conservatively, and thats if the person studying was gifted.
@Bastion83 - Then what you're saying is the SIFU would have to become an MMA fighter to compete. Even a Wing Chun master could be made to look like a rookie in the cage against an amateur MMA fighter unless he took the time to cross train. But, if a Wing Chun practitioner considered himself an Expert, then it would only be right for him to compete against Pro-MMA fighters. Just like how James Toney a Pro Boxer thought he could step into the ring against a Pro MMA fighter Randy Couture.
@iApna Wing Chun is a lethal art. MMA is just a sport. Its been around for what 30 years? Kungfu has been around for over 1000 years. in MMA fighting you have rules. In Kungfu there arent limits on what you can do. I wonder how these MMA fighters would fair against Bruce Lee or a guy who actually knew what he was doing. I doubt the MMA guy would even get close to him.
@flute1234 - MMA is a combination of martial-arts all of which don't have rules. Many arts make up MMA and you can train in whatever you think is necessary to fight. Don't judge MMA by what you see on TV. MMA is what you make of it. You can use it for self-defense, fitness or competition. In fact controlling yourself in the cage is very difficult. There are many instances where it might easier just to break your opponents neck, rather than chocking him out.
@iApna MMA is always used in the ring. Thats where it came about. Thats why people know it. Kungfu wasnt for that. Im not judging MMA im responding to people who are judging Kungfu.
@flute1234 - No originally when the UFC started it was style vs style. The dominate fighters were the grapplers such as Royce Gracie. Also this was at a time when only 2 rules existed no biting, no eye gouging. The dominate strikers were Thai practitioners. Overtime it became evident in order to dominate your opponent you needed to have good striking skills and ground game. Hence the new generation of fighters borne and are now Mixed Martial Artists.
@flute1234 - You can decide to use Wing Chun as your striking art with grappling. But that would make no sense at all. Wing Chun is too rigid, slow and really un-useful against hard strikers and grapplers. But there is nothing preventing someone from adopting skills from various arts. Soon as you train in multiple arts you are considered a mixed martial artist. Its just a marketing term and easier to describe someone.
@flute1234 - The only technique which is fast in Wing Chun is the chain punching. I admit its fast. But look at it carefully, where is the footwork? Punching sitting their stationary isn't very helpful. Even moving forward in a straight line isn't going to help either. Plus arm punching doesn't generate a lot of power. Boxers are the most evasive and fastest strikers. Bruce Lee started using many boxing techniques which shows in his footwork and core rotation with punches.
@iApna I would like to see the best trained mma fighter vs the best trained Kungfu master in a fight with no rules and you can kill the person as well. Im pretty sure i know how that would turn out.
@flute1234 - We would all like to see that, but its not going to happen. But normally "masters" of any art are typically much older and close to retirement. It wouldn't be a fair fight and an MMA fighters conditioning alone would be an advantage. Learning to fight is much different than learning martial-art techniques. There have been a couple of so called Kung-Fu masters like Jason Delucia who was taken out quickly. The problem most SIFU have never fought themselves or at least anyone worthy.
@iceman720 - No I disagree. Remember clubs that compete locally, internationally and professionally spend a considerable amount of money training their fighters. Look what happened to the MMA fighters during Ultimate Fighter 12 with Jean-Charles Skarbowsky. The Thai fighter was drunk and walked through all the MMA fighters effortlessly. Using google look up: jean charles skarbowsky ultimate fighter
@iApna Jeet Kun Do is the answer. In my school we spar every night, full contact, and sifu specifically trains us to learn to fight against mma. THe only thing we don't have at this point is the ability to absorb 20 mega hits to the face while being mounted. Its killer and MMA have one up, its really aggressive. But, we train to counter those pins and grapples. I love it.
@iceman720 - Thats great! JKD is a good system. I don't like the Wing Chun aspect of JKD but that's personal preference. There aren't many people that can absorb ground and pound. But being able to close the gap, walk through kicks, punches, then shit kicking your opponent with a smile is all part of the game on the street or the ring.
@iApna I hear what you are saying, all of you are correct when replying to me. An MMA fighter is going to kick the sh!t out of any martial artist that hits a bag and practices non-fighting scenarios. There is no competition. The only way to learn how to fight is to fight, more than just sparing.
@iceman720 i agree with you i my self practice wing tsun and judo but i have done 1 and a half year kickboxing and 3 years karate but i find wing tsun very practical in many ways the only think it lacks is real fullcontact sparing.But for you wing tsun wanna be guys that read this please after you take the class find some one in the class and be friend him or her so that you can sparr at your free time!
@MrTambet - Why Lie? They don't teach Wing Chun to special forces around the world. Why spread bullshit? Today, military, special forces, law enforcement, etc.. are all being trained with MMA methods. By far MMA is the best way to train for self-defense. Remember MMA is not a "style", its just a method of training various styles. You can include Wing Chun if you like (but why bother?). Krav Maga is also very popular which keeps evolving.
@iApna I never said that MMA is a style. Wing Tsun is neither. I just don't want to hear the BS that Wing Tsun can't be used well in real combat. Also I haven't said that WT is only or the best or most used fighting system for special forces, I just said they use it around the world. Indian special police (no idea about official name) and German SEK for example. And yea, Krav Maga is very good also, because it evolved in war zone and is very effective.
@iApna Also I can't agree that MMA is the best defence. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying WT is. MMA has too many unnecessary movements and waste of energy, also many attacks leave you with opening. Also there is no way in hell you can call smth best self defence, if it doesn't work for many people. I mean 60 year old granny isn't very likely to be very good with it.
@MrTambet - Are you kidding me? Too many unnecessary movements? Some movement is better than no movement like you see here with the Wing Chun guy. Some MMA fighters do move a lot not because they were trained that way but their nerves. Fight psychology is important part of MMA training. Some have mastered this such as GSP and Anderson Silva, and some of the junior fighters have not. Btw.. There are many people in their 40, 50, 60's taking MMA. I got flattened by a 55 year old ex boxer.
To do a real wing chun, you should not think about fighting your opponent aggressively, defense should be your priority.....Besides, is that kid sleepy or what? his relaxes too bad...
if you want 2 use wingtsun or wengchun in the ring you must change youre fighting mind. theres a big difference if u use wingtsun as selfdefence or in the ring,you wont make it in the ring with chainpunches and front kicks. my english is not so good :)
There are better ways to suicide!!!Before get into the ring,u should know that u need hours of sparring!Man u go near the beast with your hands down???Get serious!There is a basic concept in WC.When the distance is closing u get inside like fire!!U dont stay and watch him cool!!Be carefull!3 ko may cause serious injuries!
@Rubixyun try doing that in a country such as the UK where oldschool street scrapping is now a thugs sport where hoodies and junkies run up behind you and crack you in the back of the head whilst three of his makes kick the shit out of you on the floor unconcious and his little cousin jimmy pisses on your face..
@GraveyIsNice Yeah, I think if you get caught by those hoodies and junkies you're seriously f*cked. I hope I'll never meet them. Have you ever witnessed such a thing?
@SiJe76 i see now .All the sifus i've learned from call that a WU SAU .Its fairly common and used pretty much as seen.I don't use this motion much for a hook without shifting like this because a tight hook can loop around and the structure is'nt that powerful,but if done right hurts like shit for the guy punching.peace &respect my wc bro
@SiJe76 i'm still curious to what is the actual motion of a dai sau being a wc practitioner and have also studied various systems for over 18 yrs.I know each system uses different vocab.and even different tech.could you EXPLAIN this missing link in most wcers arsonal.A few things I've learned for hook counters(depending on position ofcoarse)are what is called biu joang sau-fac sau-man sau.Thats three,two shoot out one cuts up .very effective for all hooks horizontal to vertical
I also heard this little man learn't the hidden treasured secret techniques of Yip man through his master leung ting colt? Before the fight leung ting told his student not to reveal the secrets of wing tsun to anyone. he he
so much for the secret deadly techniques, chop sao dragon finger strike. Palm of monkey lol. we cant use our deadly techniques a wt master say's? get in the real world hammer head.
va con la cuña de wing chun, pero aki se demuestra lo ke e aprendido en todos estos años, y es ke no existe un estilo perfecto, n ay malas artes marciales, lo ke ay son malos practicantes, no pq no todo el mundo sea apto o no para aprender un sistema de combate, sino pq no todo el mundo esta dispuesto a entrenar con continuidad y a tomarselo en serio
Kung Fu does not work in real life. A real life fight is not like a movie where you can block every punch and make fancy moves that look bad ass. Kung Fu does not stand a chance against MMA in real life fighting.
wing chun guys dont stand a chance why do they put themselves through it . there is no ground game at all the guy was holding onto the rope for fuck sakes.
LOL, you should call this video 'guy with skills vs. unskilled guy' I bet, this guy would have lost either way, even if he did MMA instead of WT...
KroxiGore07 1 week ago
NEVER EVER go to a MMA-fight with JUST wing chun.. you have to got some kick-boxing or judo-skills at least..
RAPOODDARAPPER 2 weeks ago
Wing chun
garuda1818 3 weeks ago
if he ever fought bruce lee or chuck norris he will die
YoO161 1 month ago
lol at the end he says "sorry"
Beastie06 1 month ago
the guard was too low, considering the height difference. the reality of the street before the opponent pulled his fist, would on the ground with a broken knee
TheGanzoman3000 3 months ago
this guy blamed Wing Chun -_-
DeepWhiteMusic 3 months ago 10
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the stance in wing chun is just shit. no wonder you get hit so easily!
7TabloidJunkie7 1 week ago
@7TabloidJunkie7 *rolleyes**breatheloud*
DeepWhiteMusic 1 week ago
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he didn't lose with bong sao
Ich3451 3 months ago
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Ich3451 3 months ago
Every martial art is good as good you are.This guy for sure wasn't an expert. Real WT/WC expert would definitely act differently. Besides, he shouldn't have waited for him to attack, he should have went into clinch what WT/WC is made for. "Do not box the boxer, do not kick the kicker and so on... do you own thing." Also, WT/WC is made to live with it, not to destroy your surroundings. If you do want to join MMA with it, you sure have to change your mind setup and get really aggressive.
MrFiniMangup 3 months ago
@MrFiniMangup Yes , I agree with you ! And the white t-shirt is the sign for a student with a lower graduation ! The best car can not win a race when the driver is a dilettante !
sincityracer1 3 months ago
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MrFiniMangup 3 months ago
FUCK WING "SANG"
THIS IS HOW WE DOOO IT!!!
DerFragensteller 3 months ago
for all the mma freaks see this
watch?v=vS-PuD3iQiI
Azmorai 3 months ago
@Azmorai thanx for the introduction. ^___^
jaiharman1 3 months ago
@jaiharman1 real skill resulted from hard work over years should be respected, thnx for the videos i'v learnt much from them keep up the good work
Azmorai 3 months ago
The referee ducked off for a toilet break then went to move his car.
Mark2790 4 months ago
I agree traditional Wing Chun does not work in the ring (trained for 2 years). Its principles are good but only if you integrate ring worthy moves and stances. Just look at that guy standing like a fighting cock with his head held high above his arms with no defense at all! That's the first target I will go for... that's why in ring fighting, the golden adage is always to "Keep Your Arms UP"!
ironwirewingchun 4 months ago
that is some funny shit. I took Wing chun for 5 years and that shit does not work!!!! the pricipals are good but thats it.
manlalaban1 4 months ago
@manlalaban1 The most honest answer i've ever heard. :)
zacktillery 4 months ago
wing chun wins: YEAH ITS A GOOD MARTIAL ART
wing chun loses: NO THIS ISNT A REAL WC PRACTITIONER ITS A FAKE WC IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD MARTIAL ART
hey guys theres a reason why youi never see the former
SardonicFox1994 4 months ago
that's not wing chun, that guy is an amateur
madzane94 4 months ago
@madzane94 looked like WC to me.
MacFlanahan 4 months ago
The referee is retard...
Nikozzo 5 months ago
You cannot say that Wing Chun are Bad this guy in the ring was a fake from Wing Chun you must saw Ip Man
kkiillaa5 5 months ago
I've problems in finding who is the MMA artist and the WIng Tsun artist...
i guess the one without shirt is the MMA for his stance, the way he punches and the pounding.
..but I really can't see any Wing Tsun stance or move in there.
Kajiale 5 months ago
Why didn't he chop block those strikes when he was on his back?
hahahaha
numskully 5 months ago
Welcome into the Reality WT-Guy :)
BenDude1990 5 months ago
Wing Tsun fighter had his hands at his waist and was not attempting to parry or trap any incoming punches, he wasn't even reacting to faints..
SurvivalGrounds 5 months ago
LOL @ the idiotic comments on here. MMA is as close to real fighting as fighting sports gets, save for Vale Tudo. The results against any traditional martial style will almost always be the same, barring pure luck. Wing Tsun is crap, like any other traditional martial art.
opinionatedaunti 5 months ago
@opinionatedaunti key word in your comment = fight SPORT. remember that, it's a SPORT not a REAL FIGHT, not a fight where your trying to kill or perminantly debilitate. If I fight you on the street I can gauge your eyes, break your fingers, pull your ears off, break your neck, spine etc. Don't get it twisted MMA is NOT real martial combat, in China just a couple hundred years ago martial artists often killed people with their bare hands. "Wing Tsun is crap"... your a funny dude lol.
SurvivalGrounds 5 months ago
@SurvivalGrounds
"If I fight you on the street I can blabla"
Wrong. You can TRY to do these things. What you actually CAN do, is searching your teeth on the ground after getting punched by somebody who is trained for fighting. In sparring and confrontation.
"in China just a couple hundred years ago martial artists often killed people with their bare hands"
Yeah the old art of punching somebody to the ground and kicking him to death. Happens every day somewhere in the world. Old China, omfg.
Sokolo43 5 months ago
@Sokolo43 ok you swing for my teeth I'll put my fingers so deep into your eye sockets I'll be able to tickle your brain. or maybe I'll grab your throat and crush your windpipe while your throwing punches like a goon. good luck with that buddy ;)
You know nothing about the history of martial arts or the recorded kills of kung fu legends, thanks for displaying your ignorance for all to read.
SurvivalGrounds 5 months ago
@SurvivalGrounds
"ok you swing for my teeth I'll put my fingers so deep into your eye sockets I'll be able to tickle your brain. or maybe I'll grab your throat and crush your windpipe while your throwing punches like a goon. "
*rofl* That was great, buddy. Made my day, thanks!
"good luck with that buddy "
Yep, good luck on the streets against the goons. I think you will need it. ;)
I know nothing about kungfu legends and you know nothing about fighting. I think everyboy can be content. ;)
Sokolo43 5 months ago
@SurvivalGrounds lmao dude that all sounds like something from mortal kombat sayin your gonna break someones fingers and pull their ears off? lol
Imjackedbuddyo 5 months ago
@Imjackedbuddyo maybe it sounds strange but pressure point fighting and small joint manipulation are the most effective. If your fighting someone twice your size and strength why not attack the eyes/throat/ since they are a weak spot that will end the fight with little effort.
SurvivalGrounds 5 months ago
@Imjackedbuddyo maybe it sounds strange but pressure point fighting and small joint manipulation are the most effective. If your fighting someone twice your size and strength why not attack the eyes/throat/ since they are a weak spot that will end the fight with little effort.
SurvivalGrounds 5 months ago
@SurvivalGrounds pulling someones ears off is pressure point fighting? and why go for those small targets when i could just jab the guy straight in the nose
Imjackedbuddyo 5 months ago
@Imjackedbuddyo pulling someones ear off? what's the point.. you can use pain points and nerve centers around the ear to immobilize someone and control them. Example you have someones back or are on the side of them, hit pressure point around ear, causes extreme pain, their reaction is uncontrollable to throw their hands back towards the source of pain.. from there you can take the throat or attack and break the arm/wrist or fingers when they come reaching back. or just eye gauge, game over.
SurvivalGrounds 5 months ago
@Imjackedbuddyo trying to jab a larger, stronger opponent in the nose in a serious street fight? sure way to get your ass kicked IMO. at best you will stun them if you break the nose and cause their eyes to water. A punch to the nose won't end a fight unless your opponent has low pain threshold..... it's good for stunning and chaining with other attacks. temple or chin is a better target but still risky against a bigger, stronger fighter. go with pain points first for control and to setup KO.
SurvivalGrounds 5 months ago
@SurvivalGrounds jabbing a big guy in the nose is a lot more effective then trying to find his pressure points. and yea the jab isnt all im gonna throw i jab to like you said stun and help make an opening on him so i can land a solid hook or straight right depending on the situation
Imjackedbuddyo 5 months ago
@Imjackedbuddyo yea for sure, jab is a very good weapon, probably the most underutilized in MMA, good in the street too but you can get an extra few inches reach with 'spear hand' extending your fingers and aiming for the eyes.. when it connects its almost guaranteed to end the fight because the eyes are nerve centers and the brain overloads. I don't train everyday so if some beasty, roid rage fucker comes at me I'll stick with striking vital points, blood gates and nerve centers haha ;)
SurvivalGrounds 4 months ago
@opinionatedaunti You said it best "Sport". Not real fighting. Sport
marimanque 5 months ago
hahahhaa
evrenry 5 months ago
Take a navy seal vs any top mma fighter. Seal will win every time because they train for a real fight. This is just sport
TheKing5822 5 months ago
@TheKing5822 A top MMA fighter would win an MMA match, no question. The SEAL would win in a fight to the death.
metalmankeith 5 months ago
the mma guy showed no wing tsun . that was mma because when he showed wing tsun he would boxed like wing tsun when he is on the ground
BoyFromDaHood44 5 months ago
@BoyFromDaHood44 Sorry but I did not understand your response. Are you saying that the MMa guy did not because he kept punching on the ground?
marimanque 5 months ago
@Saiga76239mm, you cannot be a martial artist, simply for giving rude answers to people you do not know. if you were wise, you would not be that emotional. i suggest you to visit sifu emin boztepe and tell him that wing tsun is not effective. may be you are a heavy and hard guy, so it should not be any problem for you to challenge him.
Gsulu 5 months ago
@Gsulu Yes I'd like to see this guy tell that to Emin. Right to his face. LOL...
marimanque 5 months ago
may be i am an idiot, but you are very arrogant. who told you that i have never been in a fight? this is not really objective. i have been in different fights, in real fights. have you? i do not mean sports events but bare knuckle fights with no rules. that wing tsun guy in the video is ridiculous. go and visit real wing tsun instructors, then we can talk again. but remember that i don`t consider wing tsun as the ultimate fighting art, but the person who fights according to his capabilities.
Gsulu 5 months ago
@Saiga76239mm HAHAHAHA When you get shanked in your abdomen and face people who don't give a fuck if you come out dead or alive then we'll see about the street not being a big deal. Sounds like you live inside gym protected by your little referees and rules. The only unreal flowery bullshit is the crap you support. AND oh Face it buddy. MMA means MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. Which means MMA also includes WT, Brazilian JJ, and other MArtial arts. Your a fucking joke buddy IQ of 2.
marimanque 5 months ago
lol this guy sucks at wing chung
98Chao 6 months ago
i love it at the end. the dude went back to his corner and as the ref helps the other dude back to his corner, the mma guy waves at him like "hey nice to meet you man."
defiantwon33 6 months ago
it really just seems like the wing chun guy had no fight experience at all, poor guy, probably only practiced rolling hands and never actually fought with a live opponent
you can see how he moves around stiffly like a duck, unsure, and goes down in a single hit....nowhere near ready to step into the ring and fight
StopFlaggingVideos 6 months ago
WOW that dude that got beat up is an amature
ShikamaruTKD 6 months ago
its hilarious to me when people compare MMA to styles like WC or Boxing. MMA means MIXED MARTIAL ARTS! MMA practitioners are supposed to be disciplined in several styles in order to compete. for all you know the "MMA" guy could have studied WC as well as Thai boxing, jujitsu, American boxing etc.
psyphi407 6 months ago
@marimanque i was thinking the same thing, take it out the ring the roles should be reversed lol
Zelgraz1 7 months ago
@Zelgraz1 Yep. Almost everything the MMA guy did is what the Wing Tsun principles teach in terms of going forward and not letting back until your opponent is beat down.
marimanque 7 months ago
@marimanque haha yeah!, all this blah blah blah over whats better any one with intent to hurt can win a fight no matter there training
Zelgraz1 7 months ago
nobody can use this video as a show of wing chun's ineffectiveness, because it didnt demonstrate wing chun's failure as a system. instead, it showed a weak guy take a blow to the head and go down. does his physical weakness mean wing chun blows? not exactly. i do wing chun; the problem with it is that most wing chun DOES NOT TEACH YOU LIVE SPARRING. THEY DONT. THATS A BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD IDEA. HOW CAN YOU WORK WELL IF YOUVE NEVER TESTED IT ON A LIVE OPPONENT
StopFlaggingVideos 7 months ago
why is it that every wing chun artist in competitions are big ass pussy's like u cant do wing chun for shit unless ur confident and know what ur doing like, all this guy did is punch, that doesn't beat wing chun one bit, see it would take me one move to put him on the ground and rain down a thousand punches in the face, like in the movie ip man, and the thing about it too is that u need the other guy to hit u first then u intercept and he's fucked, like slaping a chid for doing something stupid
gods1hell1spawn10011 8 months ago
@gods1hell1spawn10011 Shit you sound pretty good. What is your fight record?
onetao8 7 months ago
@gods1hell1spawn10011 Thats why I say that the MMA fighter showed almost better Wing Tsun principles than the WT guy. In Wing Tsun your not supposed to jump around. The second a fighter detects movement he/she should be pounding the other persons face or body relentlessley until the other one is beaten down. This fighter sat back and watched. Attack or get attacked is the principle.
marimanque 7 months ago
@bullshidohunter I see what you mean. I do not see many good "wing chun" videos on youtube.. but still i'd consider understanding wing chun is to understand the basics of physics in regards to human bodies.. The principles are lovely and you can not argue with newtons laws of motion.. or levers and fulcrums etc.. this clip does not express these things I speak of, but as I said i'm not wing chun man.. no expert, but this guy needs more practice in whatever style he wants to call it..
sloppymantis 8 months ago
@bullshidohunter Some of this can not be helped due to wing chun being not designed for ring boxing.. It is interesting though that commercialising fighting into a "sport" or a "game" can make others tuff appear useless. I am a weak kung fu practitioner, but in a competition I can not use 90% of my habitual functions.. if I claim it as "Lyons Family Fist" then people will say lyons fist sucks. Also wing chun is not suited for Long range.I do not think you'll see it useful in any ring. thoughts?
sloppymantis 8 months ago
@bullshidohunter I know the episode you mean. It surely doesn't make wing chun boxing look good. I humbly submit to you that these gentleman in the episode are not "some of the best" in china.. I am not a wing chun man, but I can see that no one in this fight seemed to be using the wing chun method.. In my own personal kung fu.. wing chun is called "the basics" it teaches angles, force generation.. newtons laws of motion.. structure and good posture.. eh I do not argue just thinking out loud
sloppymantis 8 months ago
@MrTambet
Your argument is old and tired. Every single time a Wing Chun fighter looses in a fight somebody screams one of the following: "That's not Wing Chun!", "That fighter just isn't very well trained!", or "Wing Chun doesn't work in this situation because they can't jab out eyes!" Well the fact of the matter is that these fighters both trained specifically to fight in the ring. This has happened plenty of times and the TREND is that more often than not WC fighters crumble in a fight.
glutn4punshmnt 8 months ago
@glutn4punshmnt guys let me save u the trouble and say that wing chun is one style, dont say its bad because, it is THE best fighting style in the universe of laws and physics. BUT, like i said it is only one style, there are ways to counter, and to be a good fighter u must use a bit of improve, this guy looks like all the training he's done is see a few videos... if u want to be good at wing chun u must not only have the skill but the same thought pattern aswell, u must think intercept and kill
gods1hell1spawn10011 8 months ago
so beautiful.
TheKindplayer 8 months ago
@MrTambet I don't know if this makes more trouble or less but here "Wing Chun has been taught and integrated into the training programs of hundreds of military & law enforcement agencies around the world such as the US Navy Seals, the FBI, CIA, and SWAT teams." - Found this on some strange webpage so who knows if it is credible see it here shadowhandwingchun[dot]com/wing-chun/
sloppymantis 8 months ago
@sloppymantis
The SEALs have implemented straight punches similar to Wing Chun's, but have not actually implemented Wing Chun. The FBI and CIA have never officially adopted Wing Chun as a form of H2H that has been documented, so the source is not credible.
glutn4punshmnt 8 months ago
@bullshidohunter Ok, it's true that if you start training wc the way of punching is hard to learn. But still, a wc punch is faster than a jaw because you hit straight to you're opponent, although jaws hit harder. There is no answer to what's a better fighting style, MMA or Wing Chun. That totally depends on the person, for me Wing chun is better. But that's just my opinion. And I don't know if you ever sparred a decent wing chun fighter, but I'm sure that you won't win as easily as this dude.
Thijs618 8 months ago
@bullshidohunter Shut the fuck up, wing chun is always straight forward. That's the whole idea dumbass. And this guy seems to have no fighting experience, and it's bullshit that kung fu focuses on breaking objects ( I don't know about other styles but decent wing chun schools don't focuss on beaking objects.. I think you watched too much movies. Go look up a thing or two about wing chun before you say it's a bad fighting style
Thijs618 8 months ago
as i always said, WC is for ladies thats quite natural cuz it was created by a lady,.. hahahah
vandumbass 8 months ago
@MrTambet Which special forces? And how does 'being taught to special forces' give any credentials to an art. Self defence in the army is extremely basic and mainly a confidence boost. When do you need hand to hand combat in the army? First your primary firearm has to malfunction, then your secondary firearm has to malfunction, you need to have lost your knife and the same things must have happened to your squad mates. The only time I've seen soldiers get into a fistfight was at a bar.
aiyer1989 8 months ago
@MrTambet what forces use wing tsun? 100 tkd guys up against 100 mma guys, i know what art wins... There are more affective arts than others, tho every art at least one thing worth learning. this is why i love all MA's and people who dont see this are missing out on being a true alround Martial Artist.
SudoJudo1 8 months ago
what a stupid ref. he should have stopped it earlier
aislaith 8 months ago
Funny; if a Chunner loses against a better fighter, they say, that thats not WT/WC/VT; but if he wins, they are talking about these good system of WC,WT and so on.
Sorry for my bad english :(
KKSOPTIK 8 months ago
This is not wing chun!!
scavok10 8 months ago
@bullshidohunter that's it. All kung fu styles are hard to learn(wing chun is one of the easiest, tut still hard). Practictioner need talent. Just like in every skill(no only martial arts). Masters are good but they rarely fight. Write: Ving Tsun and MMA (freefight technics). That's better but that's only techniques
VingTsunFANATIC 8 months ago
Did you mean Kung Fool???
b1locat 8 months ago
@bullshidohunter write Jai harman vs brawler of something like that. But that brawler is weak. And Ving tsun too but wing chun practictioner keep the rules of wing chun. Here i don't what it is.
VingTsunFANATIC 8 months ago
@bullshidohunter In ,,fight quest" they met Leung Ting and his linage. The worst style in Wing chun. Leung Ting isn't real grandmaster, he is buisnessman which cheat people. Typical master of oster lines like Wong Shun Leung, Ip chun, Ip Ching can kick ass every master from Leung Ting
2. Wing chun is used by German KSK and GSG 9 special forces. FBI has not only KM. Some units know wing chun too. Special forces of Spain and Belgium use this style too. And I forget about U.S. marines(some units)
VingTsunFANATIC 8 months ago
@VingTsunFANATIC funny that you mention Belgium. My cousin is actually in those special forces and he has never been taught any wing chun, just some basic self defence which, according to him, doesn't compare to his 4 year training in savate.
aiyer1989 8 months ago
@aiyer1989 I don't know. I heard just about it.
VingTsunFANATIC 8 months ago
@bullshidohunter In ,,fight quest" they met Leung Ting and his linage. The worst style in Wing chun. Leung Ting isn't real grandmaster, he is buisnessman which cheat people. Typical master of oster lines like Wong Shun Leung, Ip chun, Ip Ching can kick ass every master from Leung Ting
VingTsunFANATIC 8 months ago
Leung Ting linage. Hands as high as his balls.
VingTsunFANATIC 8 months ago
i think that guy was just crap at wing chun coz a good wing chun martial arts would hav blocked that
MrKROYE 8 months ago
@MrTambet They teach it, because the instructors haven't learned about MMA yet. If you put them in the ring, and let them get their asses beat like this chump, then i'm sure they would be more than willing to teach MMA rather than some uselss, forgotten art.
kintle182 8 months ago
75 kung fanboys dislike
Pollomatic 8 months ago
@MrTambet and why they teach them mostly mma? wing chun is mma,mma is not wing chun. its very simple. modern mma hold r aspects of fighting,while wc is very limited. vry good art that i respect much,but limited. wc vs mma with same class fighters will always end bad for wc. only what could happen is lucky punch. on ground,wc dont have any chance. and this anti grappling by wc is ridiculous and wrong. it would be bad to convince some1 this work cause he will get hurt badly. i am very objective...
xlordxboris 9 months ago
That Wing Chun fighter may not be very good so this doesn't necessarily prove anything. But I do thing the problem with most WC fighters is that they're not as skilled as Bruce Lee was so it doesn't really work that well. And Bruce Lee was one of a kind, Dana White called him the father of mixed martial arts.
jabber22 9 months ago
@MrTambet they dont teach it so much anymore man, they mainly learn bjj now because it is much better for control and weapons retention, the whole idea of unarmed combat between two people is well a bit retarded, so its more about keeping you weapon away from them and controlling till you buddy comes to shoot him, wt teachs one good think which is how blasting a guy in the face over and over will be better then throwing jabs, but its not very effective against a trained fighter
lagook 9 months ago
the guy was crazy stepping in the ring with an beginner background
criceto 9 months ago
hahahahahahahaha
greekzerochances 9 months ago
All Wing Chun is good for is it's chain punches. Other than that it has nothing but bad footwork. I'm so tired of over confident Wing Chun practitioners who believe they have the greatest martial art ever. This is just more evidence that they are wrong.
123UncleRuckus 9 months ago
Wing chun isn't designed for ring fighting, people don't realise there is a massive difference between a fighting sport and combat, wing chun is designed as a self defence art only to be used when fighting is the only option, to end the fight quickly and get out of there, not for a sparring match, that doesn't mean it couldn't be adapted or that the mma guy would suck in the street, I just think people should realise the difference between the two before making judgements.
jalidav1 9 months ago
ROFL!!!!!!!! YOU SAW WHERE THAT GUYS DEFENCE WAS?! IS THAT WHAT THEY TEACH THEM?!
MrMasterlexiol 9 months ago
so siehts der kampf denn aus wenn mann etwas traditionelles gelernt hat und das wahrscheinlich 10 15 jahre peinlich.....
AllkampfWingchun 9 months ago
Actually I think the MMA guy showed more Wing Tsun principles in Action. He punched and then went straight in and did not let up his punching. Even while the other guy was on the ground.
marimanque 10 months ago 4
@marimanque best comment you could write xD yea youre absolutly right :) thumb up
xXTheGameKlngXx 6 months ago
This isn't Wing Tsun!!!! He waited and stepped back. The first sense of a punch or movement and the Wing Tsun guy should have been barraging the guy with punches, elbows, kicks etc. The only Wing Tsun thing he had was the shirt as far as I am concerned. NOT WING TSUN. FAKE!!
marimanque 10 months ago
A bad Wing Chun fighter is wrong image to the Wing Chun Art. Is not a fact that MMA to be better Wing Chun for this video. Think about this!
jiufeilong 10 months ago
@iApna I'd probably shit myself, thanks for asking lol!
piercedis 10 months ago
I think this a great example of a guy copping a great F##king left hand right in the kisser. He probably had twenty years wing tsun under his belt but obvioulsy had never had a real fight before lol.
piercedis 10 months ago
An obvious Wing Chun rookie. What was he thinking, The system works and well but you have to know how to apply it in the mechanics of a fight! Without proper training...well the result is evident.
Bastion83 10 months ago
@Bastion83 - What does it take to become a Wing Chun expert? Or good enough to fight in the cage?
iApna 10 months ago
@iApna Well for one chinese martial arts arent suited for mma style fights, mainly due to rules about allowed striking points(kung fu tends to go for vital areas alot) and another problem is sadly even though it can work, too many teachers today focus too much on form and the kung fu looking good. A good teacher wont though. In the case of Wing Chun I would guess(I moved onto another form of kung fu but still give it great respect) three to 4 years, and if for no other reason than to escape-
Bastion83 10 months ago
@Bastion83 - The rules of MMA which prevent Kung-Fu practitioners striking vital points such as the groin is not the issue. In my opinion the lack of fight experience most SIFU's have is the issue. Most SIFU teach Kung-Fu techniques. Very few of them teach anyone how to fight.
iApna 10 months ago
@iApna ground sitiuations either the Sifu would have to be versed in a bit of ground fighting or the practioner would have to cross train a bit. The big problem with kung fu in sports tends to be this. Most sport fighters tend to find that well developed kung fu can do major damage but that chinese arts take longer to get there. Honestly for expert level I would say seven years conservatively, and thats if the person studying was gifted.
Bastion83 10 months ago
@Bastion83 - Then what you're saying is the SIFU would have to become an MMA fighter to compete. Even a Wing Chun master could be made to look like a rookie in the cage against an amateur MMA fighter unless he took the time to cross train. But, if a Wing Chun practitioner considered himself an Expert, then it would only be right for him to compete against Pro-MMA fighters. Just like how James Toney a Pro Boxer thought he could step into the ring against a Pro MMA fighter Randy Couture.
iApna 10 months ago
@iApna Wing Chun is a lethal art. MMA is just a sport. Its been around for what 30 years? Kungfu has been around for over 1000 years. in MMA fighting you have rules. In Kungfu there arent limits on what you can do. I wonder how these MMA fighters would fair against Bruce Lee or a guy who actually knew what he was doing. I doubt the MMA guy would even get close to him.
flute1234 9 months ago
@flute1234 - MMA is a combination of martial-arts all of which don't have rules. Many arts make up MMA and you can train in whatever you think is necessary to fight. Don't judge MMA by what you see on TV. MMA is what you make of it. You can use it for self-defense, fitness or competition. In fact controlling yourself in the cage is very difficult. There are many instances where it might easier just to break your opponents neck, rather than chocking him out.
iApna 9 months ago
@iApna MMA is always used in the ring. Thats where it came about. Thats why people know it. Kungfu wasnt for that. Im not judging MMA im responding to people who are judging Kungfu.
flute1234 9 months ago
@flute1234 - No originally when the UFC started it was style vs style. The dominate fighters were the grapplers such as Royce Gracie. Also this was at a time when only 2 rules existed no biting, no eye gouging. The dominate strikers were Thai practitioners. Overtime it became evident in order to dominate your opponent you needed to have good striking skills and ground game. Hence the new generation of fighters borne and are now Mixed Martial Artists.
iApna 9 months ago
@flute1234 - You can decide to use Wing Chun as your striking art with grappling. But that would make no sense at all. Wing Chun is too rigid, slow and really un-useful against hard strikers and grapplers. But there is nothing preventing someone from adopting skills from various arts. Soon as you train in multiple arts you are considered a mixed martial artist. Its just a marketing term and easier to describe someone.
iApna 9 months ago
@iApna Wing Chun is one of the fastest if not the fastest for of martial arts. It all boils down to how traned the person is.
flute1234 9 months ago
@flute1234 - The only technique which is fast in Wing Chun is the chain punching. I admit its fast. But look at it carefully, where is the footwork? Punching sitting their stationary isn't very helpful. Even moving forward in a straight line isn't going to help either. Plus arm punching doesn't generate a lot of power. Boxers are the most evasive and fastest strikers. Bruce Lee started using many boxing techniques which shows in his footwork and core rotation with punches.
iApna 9 months ago
@iApna I would like to see the best trained mma fighter vs the best trained Kungfu master in a fight with no rules and you can kill the person as well. Im pretty sure i know how that would turn out.
flute1234 9 months ago
@flute1234 - We would all like to see that, but its not going to happen. But normally "masters" of any art are typically much older and close to retirement. It wouldn't be a fair fight and an MMA fighters conditioning alone would be an advantage. Learning to fight is much different than learning martial-art techniques. There have been a couple of so called Kung-Fu masters like Jason Delucia who was taken out quickly. The problem most SIFU have never fought themselves or at least anyone worthy.
iApna 9 months ago
@Bastion83 i would like to see a shaolin monk in mma, to bad i doubt it will ever happen.
GoHardMG 9 months ago
idiot. his man and wu sao's where not hight enough to cover his head-.-
200Nero 10 months ago
@iApna - I agree, training is everything.
iceman720 10 months ago
@iceman720 - No I disagree. Remember clubs that compete locally, internationally and professionally spend a considerable amount of money training their fighters. Look what happened to the MMA fighters during Ultimate Fighter 12 with Jean-Charles Skarbowsky. The Thai fighter was drunk and walked through all the MMA fighters effortlessly. Using google look up: jean charles skarbowsky ultimate fighter
GSP explains "Don't mess with him".
These are the people you want to train with.
iApna 10 months ago
@iApna Jeet Kun Do is the answer. In my school we spar every night, full contact, and sifu specifically trains us to learn to fight against mma. THe only thing we don't have at this point is the ability to absorb 20 mega hits to the face while being mounted. Its killer and MMA have one up, its really aggressive. But, we train to counter those pins and grapples. I love it.
iceman720 10 months ago
@iceman720 - Thats great! JKD is a good system. I don't like the Wing Chun aspect of JKD but that's personal preference. There aren't many people that can absorb ground and pound. But being able to close the gap, walk through kicks, punches, then shit kicking your opponent with a smile is all part of the game on the street or the ring.
iApna 10 months ago
@iApna I hear what you are saying, all of you are correct when replying to me. An MMA fighter is going to kick the sh!t out of any martial artist that hits a bag and practices non-fighting scenarios. There is no competition. The only way to learn how to fight is to fight, more than just sparing.
iceman720 10 months ago
the reasons why this wt guy lost so quick are:
1)foot work his foot work was lame
2)in wt you dont attack first at least in the early ranks that this guy is
3)he did knew any ground defence just look at him when he is at the floor he is acting like the old boxers vs jiujitsu and judo
and 4)his lack of fullcontact sparring and fittnes
onimas1 10 months ago
@iceman720 i agree with you i my self practice wing tsun and judo but i have done 1 and a half year kickboxing and 3 years karate but i find wing tsun very practical in many ways the only think it lacks is real fullcontact sparing.But for you wing tsun wanna be guys that read this please after you take the class find some one in the class and be friend him or her so that you can sparr at your free time!
onimas1 10 months ago
@MrTambet - Why Lie? They don't teach Wing Chun to special forces around the world. Why spread bullshit? Today, military, special forces, law enforcement, etc.. are all being trained with MMA methods. By far MMA is the best way to train for self-defense. Remember MMA is not a "style", its just a method of training various styles. You can include Wing Chun if you like (but why bother?). Krav Maga is also very popular which keeps evolving.
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iApna 10 months ago
@iApna I never said that MMA is a style. Wing Tsun is neither. I just don't want to hear the BS that Wing Tsun can't be used well in real combat. Also I haven't said that WT is only or the best or most used fighting system for special forces, I just said they use it around the world. Indian special police (no idea about official name) and German SEK for example. And yea, Krav Maga is very good also, because it evolved in war zone and is very effective.
MrTambet 10 months ago
@iApna Also I can't agree that MMA is the best defence. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying WT is. MMA has too many unnecessary movements and waste of energy, also many attacks leave you with opening. Also there is no way in hell you can call smth best self defence, if it doesn't work for many people. I mean 60 year old granny isn't very likely to be very good with it.
If you want best self defence, buy a gun.
MrTambet 10 months ago
@MrTambet - Are you kidding me? Too many unnecessary movements? Some movement is better than no movement like you see here with the Wing Chun guy. Some MMA fighters do move a lot not because they were trained that way but their nerves. Fight psychology is important part of MMA training. Some have mastered this such as GSP and Anderson Silva, and some of the junior fighters have not. Btw.. There are many people in their 40, 50, 60's taking MMA. I got flattened by a 55 year old ex boxer.
iApna 10 months ago
@MrTambet self defence buy a gun man your logic kicks ass but i prefer a bazooka or something
onimas1 10 months ago
@iApna in germany the military uses wing tsun
onimas1 10 months ago
To do a real wing chun, you should not think about fighting your opponent aggressively, defense should be your priority.....Besides, is that kid sleepy or what? his relaxes too bad...
gui123you 10 months ago
I think this is a good illustration of Wing Chun in a real fight where you can grapple and can punch with full contact.
rabiddogblizzard1 10 months ago
... Yip Man Wouldve Showed Them
Eye8UrWaffle 11 months ago
@Eye8UrWaffle ikr. i'm thinking the same thing
AznLoserWin 11 months ago
if you want 2 use wingtsun or wengchun in the ring you must change youre fighting mind. theres a big difference if u use wingtsun as selfdefence or in the ring,you wont make it in the ring with chainpunches and front kicks. my english is not so good :)
discipl 11 months ago 3
There are better ways to suicide!!!Before get into the ring,u should know that u need hours of sparring!Man u go near the beast with your hands down???Get serious!There is a basic concept in WC.When the distance is closing u get inside like fire!!U dont stay and watch him cool!!Be carefull!3 ko may cause serious injuries!
dlvt79 11 months ago
I tried to enter a MMA competition using only my Wing Chun and my Iaido skills and for some reason I was arrested. Mixed martial arts indeed !!
roysanjuro 11 months ago
ma questo wtman è un coglione come si fa astare guardia cosi bassa? hahhaha gli sta bene cosi si sveglia .
smigol2 11 months ago
Never seen an "MMA vs (whatever) video" where the MMA fighter lost. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough.....
miklboy1 11 months ago
sad
tricirlin 11 months ago
It's not good to step in the ring without any real fighting experience...
Rubixyun 11 months ago 20
@Rubixyun try doing that in a country such as the UK where oldschool street scrapping is now a thugs sport where hoodies and junkies run up behind you and crack you in the back of the head whilst three of his makes kick the shit out of you on the floor unconcious and his little cousin jimmy pisses on your face..
GraveyIsNice 9 months ago
@GraveyIsNice Yeah, I think if you get caught by those hoodies and junkies you're seriously f*cked. I hope I'll never meet them. Have you ever witnessed such a thing?
Rubixyun 8 months ago
@Rubixyun oh yes
GraveyIsNice 4 months ago
der hat aber auch noch mut, ohne was zu können in den Ring gegen MMA zu steigen... Dumm...
mashaode 11 months ago
@SiJe76 i see now .All the sifus i've learned from call that a WU SAU .Its fairly common and used pretty much as seen.I don't use this motion much for a hook without shifting like this because a tight hook can loop around and the structure is'nt that powerful,but if done right hurts like shit for the guy punching.peace &respect my wc bro
tricirlin 11 months ago
@SiJe76 i'm still curious to what is the actual motion of a dai sau being a wc practitioner and have also studied various systems for over 18 yrs.I know each system uses different vocab.and even different tech.could you EXPLAIN this missing link in most wcers arsonal.A few things I've learned for hook counters(depending on position ofcoarse)are what is called biu joang sau-fac sau-man sau.Thats three,two shoot out one cuts up .very effective for all hooks horizontal to vertical
tricirlin 11 months ago
@SiJe76 what is a dai sau
tricirlin 11 months ago
is there a single video of a wing tsun guy beating anyone? ever?
pikonjak 11 months ago
@SiJe76 it doesn't seem plausible that this guy's sensei was looking around the room at all his students and decided to enter the white-belt....wtf?
MrPhrogphurter 1 year ago
I also heard this little man learn't the hidden treasured secret techniques of Yip man through his master leung ting colt? Before the fight leung ting told his student not to reveal the secrets of wing tsun to anyone. he he
trollbl 1 year ago
so much for the secret deadly techniques, chop sao dragon finger strike. Palm of monkey lol. we cant use our deadly techniques a wt master say's? get in the real world hammer head.
trollbl 1 year ago
va con la cuña de wing chun, pero aki se demuestra lo ke e aprendido en todos estos años, y es ke no existe un estilo perfecto, n ay malas artes marciales, lo ke ay son malos practicantes, no pq no todo el mundo sea apto o no para aprender un sistema de combate, sino pq no todo el mundo esta dispuesto a entrenar con continuidad y a tomarselo en serio
theodiseo 1 year ago
Kung Fu does not work in real life. A real life fight is not like a movie where you can block every punch and make fancy moves that look bad ass. Kung Fu does not stand a chance against MMA in real life fighting.
neverhoodyn 1 year ago
all fighting styles are good its just that some people just suck at fighting
wowstefaniv 1 year ago
wing chun guys dont stand a chance why do they put themselves through it . there is no ground game at all the guy was holding onto the rope for fuck sakes.
RAMSEY1987 1 year ago
Kommisar = TROL
aubba 1 year ago
Cette vidéo prouve encore une fois que ce genre de compétitions apporte seulement de la violence gratuite et sans aucun respect de l'adversaire.
Et je ne vois rien de Wing Chun, je vois deux coq se foutre sur la tronche rien de plus.
Qinloong1973 1 year ago
he had no structure
JKL2LKJ 1 year ago