second heres what could happen with midna theres like 10 to 20% chance she appears so she might be the most powerful assist trophy in the game and its a quick attack and and instant kill like deoxys from brawl
third the beat agents will dance but if you get close to them they will beat you up
I have an assist trophy idea. Tails: he gets in the tornado and flies all around the top of the stage and drops bombs and shots lasers down on your opponents and has moderate killing potential.
5:04 I was thinking that not only is it fun to watch, but it also makes opponents dance along. They are distracted and are open to attacks. What do you think?
@Arotheechidna No, Shadow would be an over representation of not only Sega, but the entire Sonic Franchise as well. No one ever considers Metal Gear, yet everyone wants more Sonic characters. face it, it's not going to happen. I'm sorry.
@pizzamandudeguy (I know i got the name wrong) but what about shadow? He's gonna be a playable character in ssb4 also. I know this guy who got secret info on characters of ssb4 and shadow the hedgehog was one of them. Anyway luv your vids dude.
For the Swooping Snitchbug, it'd have to be the Bumbling Snitchbug because he picked up the Captains while the swooping picked up the pikmin. Also @ pfaccioxx, whenever you were dropped by these creatures, you were plowed into the ground =P
I would perfer if Sylux and Black Knight were actually bosses.
I don't see Bowser Jr. becoming an Assistant trophey. I would perfer if Midna was playable, but I would still like to see her as an assistant trophey if she can't be playable.
0:15 nooo thin they can't become down-loadable caricters!
3:02 uaaa O... K... that sound's pontlis (unless he dops you into a abis or something)
3:15 pity much the only Pokemon caricter who could be an assist trophy, youers is ok, anader way to use him would be if he sent out his stiler and tock control of anader caricter (timerarly) who would act as a CPU on you're team
every single assist trophy that I didn't mincon: please don't do that cos I think assist trolleys soued be limited to caricters that are 2 small to put as a playable caricter and caricters that would be imposable to put as playable due to verios reasons with the expson of being 3ed party caricters cos just cos they can't be put in the now doesn't mean there owners won't change there mind later and become down-loadable
no, you didn't, but I'm just saying SSB4 will probably have down-loadable caricters (, stages, music, assist trophy's, pokeball Pokemon, ext...) and any caricter that's an assist trophy can't be a down-loadable caricter (for obios reasons)
as for Mr. Resetti he takes up a very small amount of spase, rant's (witch obscures the veaw of the battle a bit and is distracting), and if you atck him he explodes (cosing damage and knokback)!
4:24 is only of porkey's robots. I forget get the name of the robot but it was has an attack called the "end of the century beam". Please play MOTHER 3 to find out more. It's a great boss fight.
@pizzadudemanguy Rather than Birdo, I think I'd rather see Blooper; just because of Miyamoto's reaction to the Ink in 3D! other than that, another interesting Assist Trophy could be Leon Powalski, the Chameleon Dude on Wolf's team. I'd imagine he'd Turn invisable (which being a chameleon i figure he can do) and then sneak up on opponets and fire a Blaster that behaves like a weaker version of his Wide Lock from Star Fox: Command. he'd do this multipule times
I thought of having Ness and Jeff as assist trophies before Duster and Kumatora.
I guess I felt it would be weird if Ness became an assist trophy after having been a playable character, like a degradation, like if they made Mewtwo a pokeball pokemon.
If many people oppose this, however, I would accept having Ness and Jeff as assists instead.
No. The true villain of F-Zero is Death Born cause he gave Black shadow his powers and told him what to do. Main and true villains do have some things in common. The main thing that sets them asside form rivals is that main villains and true villains has always been evil. Goroh may have never been friends with Falcon but he still used to be a Police officer before a leader of bandits. The main villain is the most recurring villain works under the true villain. In most cases the MV IS the TV.
That's a harsh generalization. Some of the greatest evil beings in video games were once good.
Setting "evilness" aside, my claim still stands that Goroh is more of a secondary character, secondary characters like Luigi have more character priority than main villains, Kamek, even by your definitions, is probably not the main villain, and the characters I chose are more interesting than either Kamek or Black Shadow.
Would it be better if I just didn't have BS at all?
I'm not phazed. After all we all have our opinions. I still stand by my claims about Ridley, Kamek, Dedede, Mewtwo, Wolf, and Black Shadow. I still have one last question for the time being. I know you'll probally going to make a video about this but what's the plot to your SSB4? I already told you a bit of mine.
Hm...I don't want to reveal too much about the plot...
I guess the initial premise is that after Master Hand's defeat in Subspace Emissary, Crazy Hand is released and his wish, now that his brother is out of the way, to spread destruction across the land.
I thought about doing that...but I felt it would degrade Ness, being dropped from a playable character down to an assist trophy. In this case, I think it's better not to include him as an assist trophy.
Of course. Many assist trophies, even in Brawl, are playable-worthy characters that didn't make it as playable characters. That'll always be the case when it comes to playable characters vs assist trophies.
But like I said, there are some cases where the assist trophies are more worthy than some playable characters. Let's say Wario(the riaval in the Mario Series) was a playable Mario character in SSB4 but Bowser(the main villain of the Mario series) is an assist trophy. If something like that were to happen, would you agree that the Villain should be more worthy than the rival as a playable character despite who appeared first?
If you agree then why is Black Shadow an assist trophy and not a character while Goroh is cause Captiain Falcon vs Black Shadow is like Mario vs Bowser while CF vs Goroh is like Mario vs Wario. I just want know why he isn't playable.
There is one thing. The first game was pretty much your average racing game except you must place in an high enough rank to advance. Besides that, there really isn't an plot to the 1st F-Zero. You agreed that the Main villain is more worthy then the rival despite who appeared first. Black Shadow trumps Goroh as Main villain since his evil deeds are more lustful than greed and because the first F-Zero is plotless Goroh was just a coomon racer. And besides, B.S. doesn't use a repetative weapon.
That doesn't change the fact that Goroh is a more important character than Black Shadow. Goroh is the one who is an Assist Trophy in Brawl and is in the intro of Melee. BS isn't even much of a main villain, he's taking orders.
As for rivalries vs main villains, there's already examples of that in brawl. Wolf is the "villain" rep of the Star Fox series, although he isn't a main villain.
No one in Brawl uses a katana. Katana swordplay is very different from other sword styles.
That doesn't mean anything. Nearly all Pokemon created up at that time were in the Melee intro but that doesn't mean they're more important to the other pokemo who were created at that time that weren't apart of melee in anyway. And Ivysaur is one of those few pokemon. Bowser and Gannondorf have took orders from higher beings. Wolf is the main villain. A sword is still a sword and I'm not saying Goroh shouldn't be playable but BS should come first. Oh and why diddn't you add a second Yoshi rep?
Different swords have different uses. Broad Swords, 2-Handed Swords, and Katanas are as different as any two hand-to-hand combat styles.
Goroh is more than just Falcon's rival. He is cheered on and praised just as much as Falcon when he wins. He's more like a secondary character, which is more of a priority than main villains. Instead of comparing Goroh to Wario, compare him to Luigi or Diddy. They came before Bowser and K. Rool in Smash.
Yeah but most people who uses Katanas are fast and not heavy and every other weopon in SSB was introduced the traditional way. But unless they're possesed by someone, Luigi and Diddy would never go against Mario and DK and secondary characters in most cases are sidekicks an Goroh was NEVER Falcon's sidekick and never will be unless it involves mammon. There are some cases where the main villains are more of a priority than secondary characters. Bowser has ALWAYS been a starting characte in Smash
"Every other weapon in SSB was introduced the traditional way". I have no idea what you mean by this statement....Goroh really isn't that heavy either. He's just muscular. Like Donkey Kong.
Goroh and Falcon worked on the same police squadron. It's a mystery how that came to be, but secondary characters don't have to be good guys. Goroh has always been a playable character.
Bowser wasn't in the original Smash Bros. at all. But Luigi was.
The midevil sword is mostly weilded by a well rounded/ballanced person. Link is a ballenced charater. Bats and hammers are mostly used by strong people. Kirby and Ness are strong characters. DK's heavy and muscular. When they make a referance to that on an future F-Zero game, I'll belive it. I didn't say Bowser was in the original smash(he was supossed to along with Peach, Pit, Mewtwo and Dedede). I said he has always been a starting character as compared to Luigi who is always an unlockable.
The katana is mostly wielded by athletic samurai. Goroh is an athletic samurai. Take Mitsurugi from Soul Caliber, for example. They pretty much have the same exact build, including muscles, only Mitsurugi is even heavier cause he wears armor.
Goroh and Falcon working in the same police squadron has always been in the in-game bio definitions for those characters.
Even though Bowser's always been a starting character, that doesn't change the fact that Luigi's been Smasher longer
Goroh is still comparable to Wario cause Mario and Wario are Cousins who used to get along alot until Wario be came a greedy butthole and if my hunch is correct Goroh and Falcon used to partners until Goroh broke regulation or something in that nature. I'm not saying it does, I'm trying show how more important Bowser is than Luigi. And still haven't answered my question about why Yoshi is still the only rep from his series.
Luigi and Diddy still came before the main villains, so I still say they're more important.
As for Yoshi, I couldn't think of a REALLY good second Yoshi character. There are a few other good Yoshi characters, but I didn't find any of them more interesting than the other characters I was thinking about adding.
Actually to correct, they first debuted in the same games as the games. What about Kamek? Not only is he the main villain and secondary character to the series but just like Yoshi advocate of the Mario Bros, Kamek is Bowser's advocate. As a matter fact, if it wasn't Kamek, there might have chance that Mario and Bowser would've been friends. And think he'll be the first glider without the aid of wings.
But Kamek is not the main villain of the Yoshi series. He's the main villain's sidekick, the same reason I didn't add Bowser Jr. Yoshi's Story is an example. It does not include Kamek at all.
Not exeactly. Baby Bowser and Bowser are the same person just like Baby Mario is Mario. Sure Kamek isn't in Yoshi Story but Bowser isn't in SMB2 at all and Ganondorf isn't in FS, MC, or PO. And by Kamek being Bowser's advocate, Bowser is actually his sidekick durring his childhood making Kamek the main villain of the Yoshi series.
Kamek IS a consistent Yoshi character. However, he is still not the main villain. Baby Bowser is the main villain. Sure, Kamek does all the scheming, but when push comes to shove, Baby Bowser is still the final boss, just like instances with Ganondorf and Andross.
I beg to differ cause like I said before Baby Bowser and Bowser is the same Person ergo Baby Bowser is the Mario Series Main villain. And Ridley is the Metroid main villain and he has never been the the final boss. How do you explain that?
I explain that by saying that Ridley is not the main villain of Metroid BECAUSE he's never been the final boss. Sure, he's Samus' most recurring and most rivaled enemy, which is why I have him playable, but he's never Samus' main target.
To me, main villains are the final boss since they're usually the ones who are ultimately pulling the strings. The most recurring villains are more of rivals, and sometimes they're better character choices than the main enemy.
Not exeactly. A rival is an antihero who is mostly competietive and used to be friends with the hero. The main villain is the one who actually hates the hero and gives the commands and plans the schenes the most. wheater he/she is the final boss or not. However there are some cases where like you said ultimately pulling the strings and are the final bosses instead of the main villains.They are reffered as true villains because they're the last ones to beat.
I have never heard the term "true villain" before. In any case, rivals don't necessarily ever have to be friends. Falcon and Goroh were never friends. Their bio says they disagreed on every point. A rival just needs to be someone who keeps coming back to take the hero on...like Ridley. Your terminology for "true villain" is mine for "main villain".
It's a new term. I didn't knew anything about it until a while back. I thought it was joke but after looking back on things like post game and optional events and bosses that tie into the storyline in some game, I started to realize how true villains work. Here's why Ridley is not a rival. Ridley is the leader of the Space Pirates, a galactal(if not universal) wide organization, while some rivals have a large enough army just to take over an entire nation.
That doesn't make any logical sense. Bowser only has an army large enough to take over a single kingdom. Does that make him a rival? Goroh has an intergalactic team of bandits. Does that make him the main villain?
The term "true villain" is nothing but fluff, and proportions don't matter.
@pizzadudemanguy Actually, it is debated whether or not Ridley is the main Metroid villain due to the fact that he might have been the one to program Mother Brain and mutate Metroid Prime into Dark Samus.
There are also characters who have no other ties to the game, though...I dunno, I just never felt weird about Jeff. As long as they had something to do with Nintendo, they were a big enough part of the company to count. Not to mention that Lyndis wasn't really the main character; she was one of the main three, but not the main itself. Jeff WAS fairly important in the game he was in, even if he wasn't the MAIN main character. I dunno. It's your call, ultimately.
Needs rush
Protomanburst 1 week ago
Best ssb4 assist video I've seen so far.
taylor123ism 3 weeks ago
Kumatora is awesome!
ITSOVER9000ish 2 months ago
Personally, I prefer Takamaru as a character.
animedudes3 4 months ago
why do wear a hat?
SolFlareBlitz101 5 months ago
@SolFlareBlitz101 cuz fedoras r awesome!
ITSOVER9000ish 1 month ago
instead of the swooping snitch bug there should be mamuta he could bury you then put that damaging flower on your head
pwnagemaster67 5 months ago
well the swooping snitchbug can't pick up people how about that one that picks up the captains?
awesomon 5 months ago
WHY CANT KUMATORA BE DANM CHARACTERS AND I GOT 1 DANM GOOD REASON shes a female character
TheTriforce123456 6 months ago
i think bowser jr. should be a playable character
BaKandaUsaLavi 6 months ago
second heres what could happen with midna theres like 10 to 20% chance she appears so she might be the most powerful assist trophy in the game and its a quick attack and and instant kill like deoxys from brawl
third the beat agents will dance but if you get close to them they will beat you up
diego61922 6 months ago
2:12 epic face
diego61922 6 months ago
What if the Elite Beat Agents were to cause opponents to taunt uncontrollably?
danranmafan 6 months ago
so wait...if Bowser Jr. is your new mario Character....then who takes his place?
binsoku6 7 months ago
sawmus???
MrBomber123456 7 months ago
I have an assist trophy idea. Tails: he gets in the tornado and flies all around the top of the stage and drops bombs and shots lasers down on your opponents and has moderate killing potential.
lovingnintendogames1 7 months ago
Maybe the beat agents could be a distraction?
lovingnintendogames1 7 months ago
I think Mashtooth from Starfy would be decent, it gives the Starfy games an Assist Trophy rep since starfy became playable
BadenluvsHAM 8 months ago
5:04 I was thinking that not only is it fun to watch, but it also makes opponents dance along. They are distracted and are open to attacks. What do you think?
sonick123456 8 months ago
Captain Rainbow would be a good idea.
JustAnotherSonicFan 11 months ago
Bubbles is a girl. Just sayin'.
MarioMiniComics 1 year ago
you should add miis to the roster and earthworm jim and klonoa
supersoniccolb 1 year ago
black showdow should be play able
5roblox 1 year ago
they should make it so you can download characters that aren,t playable in the actual game to play as.
metamaster5469 1 year ago
objection!shadow should be a playable charecter
Arotheechidna 1 year ago
@Arotheechidna No he shouldn't. He explained this several times.
wooperboy60 1 year ago
@Arotheechidna No, Shadow would be an over representation of not only Sega, but the entire Sonic Franchise as well. No one ever considers Metal Gear, yet everyone wants more Sonic characters. face it, it's not going to happen. I'm sorry.
RidleyKraid187 9 months ago 2
y dont u have shadow or knuke joe as chaertes
showkid99 1 year ago
since you have ness back in your roster, will you have jeff back as an AT?
wooperboy60 1 year ago
@pizzamandudeguy (I know i got the name wrong) but what about shadow? He's gonna be a playable character in ssb4 also. I know this guy who got secret info on characters of ssb4 and shadow the hedgehog was one of them. Anyway luv your vids dude.
sonicunlimided42 1 year ago
With Ness being added back in can are you going to re add Jeff. Also as a suggestion might you possibly be able to add in Ninten
vgmlover 1 year ago
@vgmlover
I don't think it's a good idea to add Ninten. However, I will definitely re-add Jeff.
pizzadudemanguy 1 year ago
for toad what if u only have the star but nothing else
Gamerman9000 1 year ago
should birdo also be 8-bit like in smb2
vechter940 1 year ago
For the Swooping Snitchbug, it'd have to be the Bumbling Snitchbug because he picked up the Captains while the swooping picked up the pikmin. Also @ pfaccioxx, whenever you were dropped by these creatures, you were plowed into the ground =P
zario12 1 year ago
I would perfer if Sylux and Black Knight were actually bosses.
I don't see Bowser Jr. becoming an Assistant trophey. I would perfer if Midna was playable, but I would still like to see her as an assistant trophey if she can't be playable.
OmegaBlueWind74 1 year ago
when are u going to make the updated vid
Gamerman9000 1 year ago
0:15 nooo thin they can't become down-loadable caricters!
3:02 uaaa O... K... that sound's pontlis (unless he dops you into a abis or something)
3:15 pity much the only Pokemon caricter who could be an assist trophy, youers is ok, anader way to use him would be if he sent out his stiler and tock control of anader caricter (timerarly) who would act as a CPU on you're team
4:24 what the * is that thing!?
5:04 what the? LOL! wile that sounds funny and entertaining they've got to do something!
pfaccioxx 1 year ago
5:51 never hured of him or his game
6:00 see 5:51
6:24 sounds good (I guess)
every single assist trophy that I didn't mincon: please don't do that cos I think assist trolleys soued be limited to caricters that are 2 small to put as a playable caricter and caricters that would be imposable to put as playable due to verios reasons with the expson of being 3ed party caricters cos just cos they can't be put in the now doesn't mean there owners won't change there mind later and become down-loadable
pfaccioxx 1 year ago
@pfaccioxx
...I didn't say anything about downloadable characters.....
Mr. Resetti doesn't do anything.
pizzadudemanguy 1 year ago
no, you didn't, but I'm just saying SSB4 will probably have down-loadable caricters (, stages, music, assist trophy's, pokeball Pokemon, ext...) and any caricter that's an assist trophy can't be a down-loadable caricter (for obios reasons)
as for Mr. Resetti he takes up a very small amount of spase, rant's (witch obscures the veaw of the battle a bit and is distracting), and if you atck him he explodes (cosing damage and knokback)!
pfaccioxx 1 year ago
4:24 is only of porkey's robots. I forget get the name of the robot but it was has an attack called the "end of the century beam". Please play MOTHER 3 to find out more. It's a great boss fight.
FunniestofFunny 1 year ago
Yes, it's the "Natural Killer Cyborg".
pizzadudemanguy 1 year ago
@pizzadudemanguy Rather than Birdo, I think I'd rather see Blooper; just because of Miyamoto's reaction to the Ink in 3D! other than that, another interesting Assist Trophy could be Leon Powalski, the Chameleon Dude on Wolf's team. I'd imagine he'd Turn invisable (which being a chameleon i figure he can do) and then sneak up on opponets and fire a Blaster that behaves like a weaker version of his Wide Lock from Star Fox: Command. he'd do this multipule times
RidleyKraid187 2 weeks ago
@pfaccioxx Boy, I'd love to play as 8-bit Lakitu or the Devil!!!!!
DoctorSlavic 6 months ago
question if you put away jeff because of ness why you don't put ness in as a assist
vechter940 2 years ago
@vechter940
I thought of having Ness and Jeff as assist trophies before Duster and Kumatora.
I guess I felt it would be weird if Ness became an assist trophy after having been a playable character, like a degradation, like if they made Mewtwo a pokeball pokemon.
If many people oppose this, however, I would accept having Ness and Jeff as assists instead.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
No. The true villain of F-Zero is Death Born cause he gave Black shadow his powers and told him what to do. Main and true villains do have some things in common. The main thing that sets them asside form rivals is that main villains and true villains has always been evil. Goroh may have never been friends with Falcon but he still used to be a Police officer before a leader of bandits. The main villain is the most recurring villain works under the true villain. In most cases the MV IS the TV.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
That's a harsh generalization. Some of the greatest evil beings in video games were once good.
Setting "evilness" aside, my claim still stands that Goroh is more of a secondary character, secondary characters like Luigi have more character priority than main villains, Kamek, even by your definitions, is probably not the main villain, and the characters I chose are more interesting than either Kamek or Black Shadow.
Would it be better if I just didn't have BS at all?
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
@pizzadudemanguy
I was thinking about having Dixie Kong as an assist instead...
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
I'm not phazed. After all we all have our opinions. I still stand by my claims about Ridley, Kamek, Dedede, Mewtwo, Wolf, and Black Shadow. I still have one last question for the time being. I know you'll probally going to make a video about this but what's the plot to your SSB4? I already told you a bit of mine.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
Hm...I don't want to reveal too much about the plot...
I guess the initial premise is that after Master Hand's defeat in Subspace Emissary, Crazy Hand is released and his wish, now that his brother is out of the way, to spread destruction across the land.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
That's nice. I mainly wanted to know how would your choices fit in the plot.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
what about penelo she will recover 100%
Gamerman9000 2 years ago
I thought that if Ness wasn't playable, he'd be an assist trophy using PK Flash or PK Rockin'
786Horatio 2 years ago
@786Horatio
I thought about doing that...but I felt it would degrade Ness, being dropped from a playable character down to an assist trophy. In this case, I think it's better not to include him as an assist trophy.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
what i the difference between protoman and zero
Gamerman9000 2 years ago
@Gamerman9000
Zero is basically just the MegaMan X version of Protoman. So they're about as different as Mega Man and MegaMan X.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
That's a nice list but some of those are worthy enough to be playable characters In my opinion more worthy than some of your choices, no offence.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
Of course. Many assist trophies, even in Brawl, are playable-worthy characters that didn't make it as playable characters. That'll always be the case when it comes to playable characters vs assist trophies.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
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Finalbossruler 2 years ago
But like I said, there are some cases where the assist trophies are more worthy than some playable characters. Let's say Wario(the riaval in the Mario Series) was a playable Mario character in SSB4 but Bowser(the main villain of the Mario series) is an assist trophy. If something like that were to happen, would you agree that the Villain should be more worthy than the rival as a playable character despite who appeared first?
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
Well, duh. But I don't have any instances that are that clear-cut here.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
If you agree then why is Black Shadow an assist trophy and not a character while Goroh is cause Captiain Falcon vs Black Shadow is like Mario vs Bowser while CF vs Goroh is like Mario vs Wario. I just want know why he isn't playable.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
Okay, THAT'S a good question. First, I only wanted to add, at the most, 1 new character from each series. So only 1 new F-Zero character.
Goroh has been in F-Zero since the beginning. He, along with Falcon, has been in every F-Zero game.
Even though Black Shadow may be more evil than Goroh, Goroh has been more consistent and has done his share of evil deeds.
Ultimately, Goroh is a much more important character.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
There is one thing. The first game was pretty much your average racing game except you must place in an high enough rank to advance. Besides that, there really isn't an plot to the 1st F-Zero. You agreed that the Main villain is more worthy then the rival despite who appeared first. Black Shadow trumps Goroh as Main villain since his evil deeds are more lustful than greed and because the first F-Zero is plotless Goroh was just a coomon racer. And besides, B.S. doesn't use a repetative weapon.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
That doesn't change the fact that Goroh is a more important character than Black Shadow. Goroh is the one who is an Assist Trophy in Brawl and is in the intro of Melee. BS isn't even much of a main villain, he's taking orders.
As for rivalries vs main villains, there's already examples of that in brawl. Wolf is the "villain" rep of the Star Fox series, although he isn't a main villain.
No one in Brawl uses a katana. Katana swordplay is very different from other sword styles.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
That doesn't mean anything. Nearly all Pokemon created up at that time were in the Melee intro but that doesn't mean they're more important to the other pokemo who were created at that time that weren't apart of melee in anyway. And Ivysaur is one of those few pokemon. Bowser and Gannondorf have took orders from higher beings. Wolf is the main villain. A sword is still a sword and I'm not saying Goroh shouldn't be playable but BS should come first. Oh and why diddn't you add a second Yoshi rep?
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
Wolf has NEVER been a main villain.
Different swords have different uses. Broad Swords, 2-Handed Swords, and Katanas are as different as any two hand-to-hand combat styles.
Goroh is more than just Falcon's rival. He is cheered on and praised just as much as Falcon when he wins. He's more like a secondary character, which is more of a priority than main villains. Instead of comparing Goroh to Wario, compare him to Luigi or Diddy. They came before Bowser and K. Rool in Smash.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
Yeah but most people who uses Katanas are fast and not heavy and every other weopon in SSB was introduced the traditional way. But unless they're possesed by someone, Luigi and Diddy would never go against Mario and DK and secondary characters in most cases are sidekicks an Goroh was NEVER Falcon's sidekick and never will be unless it involves mammon. There are some cases where the main villains are more of a priority than secondary characters. Bowser has ALWAYS been a starting characte in Smash
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
"Every other weapon in SSB was introduced the traditional way". I have no idea what you mean by this statement....Goroh really isn't that heavy either. He's just muscular. Like Donkey Kong.
Goroh and Falcon worked on the same police squadron. It's a mystery how that came to be, but secondary characters don't have to be good guys. Goroh has always been a playable character.
Bowser wasn't in the original Smash Bros. at all. But Luigi was.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
The midevil sword is mostly weilded by a well rounded/ballanced person. Link is a ballenced charater. Bats and hammers are mostly used by strong people. Kirby and Ness are strong characters. DK's heavy and muscular. When they make a referance to that on an future F-Zero game, I'll belive it. I didn't say Bowser was in the original smash(he was supossed to along with Peach, Pit, Mewtwo and Dedede). I said he has always been a starting character as compared to Luigi who is always an unlockable.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
The katana is mostly wielded by athletic samurai. Goroh is an athletic samurai. Take Mitsurugi from Soul Caliber, for example. They pretty much have the same exact build, including muscles, only Mitsurugi is even heavier cause he wears armor.
Goroh and Falcon working in the same police squadron has always been in the in-game bio definitions for those characters.
Even though Bowser's always been a starting character, that doesn't change the fact that Luigi's been Smasher longer
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
Goroh is still comparable to Wario cause Mario and Wario are Cousins who used to get along alot until Wario be came a greedy butthole and if my hunch is correct Goroh and Falcon used to partners until Goroh broke regulation or something in that nature. I'm not saying it does, I'm trying show how more important Bowser is than Luigi. And still haven't answered my question about why Yoshi is still the only rep from his series.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
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Luigi and Diddy still came before the main villains, so I still say they're more important.
As for Yoshi, I couldn't think of a REALLY good second Yoshi character. There are a few other good Yoshi characters, but I didn't find any of them more interesting than the other characters I was thinking about adding.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
Actually to correct, they first debuted in the same games as the games. What about Kamek? Not only is he the main villain and secondary character to the series but just like Yoshi advocate of the Mario Bros, Kamek is Bowser's advocate. As a matter fact, if it wasn't Kamek, there might have chance that Mario and Bowser would've been friends. And think he'll be the first glider without the aid of wings.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
Error corrections. "Actually to be correct", "just like Yoshi is the advocate of the Mario Bros", "if it wasn't for Kamek"
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
But Kamek is not the main villain of the Yoshi series. He's the main villain's sidekick, the same reason I didn't add Bowser Jr. Yoshi's Story is an example. It does not include Kamek at all.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
Not exeactly. Baby Bowser and Bowser are the same person just like Baby Mario is Mario. Sure Kamek isn't in Yoshi Story but Bowser isn't in SMB2 at all and Ganondorf isn't in FS, MC, or PO. And by Kamek being Bowser's advocate, Bowser is actually his sidekick durring his childhood making Kamek the main villain of the Yoshi series.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
Kamek IS a consistent Yoshi character. However, he is still not the main villain. Baby Bowser is the main villain. Sure, Kamek does all the scheming, but when push comes to shove, Baby Bowser is still the final boss, just like instances with Ganondorf and Andross.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
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Finalbossruler 2 years ago
I beg to differ cause like I said before Baby Bowser and Bowser is the same Person ergo Baby Bowser is the Mario Series Main villain. And Ridley is the Metroid main villain and he has never been the the final boss. How do you explain that?
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
I explain that by saying that Ridley is not the main villain of Metroid BECAUSE he's never been the final boss. Sure, he's Samus' most recurring and most rivaled enemy, which is why I have him playable, but he's never Samus' main target.
To me, main villains are the final boss since they're usually the ones who are ultimately pulling the strings. The most recurring villains are more of rivals, and sometimes they're better character choices than the main enemy.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
Not exeactly. A rival is an antihero who is mostly competietive and used to be friends with the hero. The main villain is the one who actually hates the hero and gives the commands and plans the schenes the most. wheater he/she is the final boss or not. However there are some cases where like you said ultimately pulling the strings and are the final bosses instead of the main villains.They are reffered as true villains because they're the last ones to beat.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
I have never heard the term "true villain" before. In any case, rivals don't necessarily ever have to be friends. Falcon and Goroh were never friends. Their bio says they disagreed on every point. A rival just needs to be someone who keeps coming back to take the hero on...like Ridley. Your terminology for "true villain" is mine for "main villain".
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
It's a new term. I didn't knew anything about it until a while back. I thought it was joke but after looking back on things like post game and optional events and bosses that tie into the storyline in some game, I started to realize how true villains work. Here's why Ridley is not a rival. Ridley is the leader of the Space Pirates, a galactal(if not universal) wide organization, while some rivals have a large enough army just to take over an entire nation.
Finalbossruler 2 years ago
@Finalbossruler
That doesn't make any logical sense. Bowser only has an army large enough to take over a single kingdom. Does that make him a rival? Goroh has an intergalactic team of bandits. Does that make him the main villain?
The term "true villain" is nothing but fluff, and proportions don't matter.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
@pizzadudemanguy Actually, it is debated whether or not Ridley is the main Metroid villain due to the fact that he might have been the one to program Mother Brain and mutate Metroid Prime into Dark Samus.
786Horatio 2 years ago
In Jeff's defense, Lyndis doesn't have anyone from her game in Smash Brothers. Just people from the same series.
HarmpetProductions 2 years ago
@HarmpetProductions
That doesn't feel as weird, though, since Lyn was the main character.
pizzadudemanguy 2 years ago
There are also characters who have no other ties to the game, though...I dunno, I just never felt weird about Jeff. As long as they had something to do with Nintendo, they were a big enough part of the company to count. Not to mention that Lyndis wasn't really the main character; she was one of the main three, but not the main itself. Jeff WAS fairly important in the game he was in, even if he wasn't the MAIN main character. I dunno. It's your call, ultimately.
HarmpetProductions 2 years ago
That was awesome! Seriously, you need to be the lead developer of this game if Sakurai doesn't do it.
DarthMario99 2 years ago