1969 Point Of Breaking (The Vietnam Protest - Washington, DC)

[TheGrahamEarley]

Hey if I want to use this footage for a school project, do I need your permission/what should I cite it as? Thanks

[WolfEchoes]

@TheGrahamEarley

Most of this came off an old VCR tape from a dusty box in long storage. But the odd clip is out there in news clips and documentry clips. It is getting harder to find. But also try the public library. They often have Audio-Visual stuff too (and are too often neglected).

[WolfEchoes]

@WolfEchoes

So I guess it is ok to use it... "publicly available media".

[TakeBackAmerica2012]

Why can't we hear the crowd instead of this stupid jazz music!

[WolfEchoes]

@TakeBackAmerica2012

YouTube took the old music away, this was one of their replacements.

Vid clips had no sound originally...

[TheyKnowNoShame]

was at both November 1969 and April 72. We have both in here. But will say the November 15 one had hope still---but that was the highpoint--with spectacular finish with cast of Hair singing "The Age of Aquarius" and a thousand white doves were sent into flight as ---in the field near all were dancing ,. i have said the Summer of Love 67 didn't peak at Woodstock but in D.C.November 15, that was the apex.. The 1972 protest was MUCH darker/grim , and i was by then quite Radical.MaxPhiladelphia

[bullfighter170]

this reminds me of that 70's show



[Flagg1991]

I'm fascinated and repulsed at the same time.

[asbeitemu]

20th century was fucked up .

[ApollosPythia]

I gave the last of my money to a Vietnam Vet today and I grabbed his hand with both of my hands, looked him in his eyes and thanked him for his service. God Bless our Veterans.

[WolfEchoes]

@baldur1377

I don't have the answer for that - but I hope you can find it.

These films are harder and harder to find, so details are also tricky in some cases.

I mean no trickery though, just trying to share a scene that is too soon being forgotten or disregarded in history. It was an important time of change and awareness. Thank YOU for being there!

[WolfEchoes]

@baldur1377

Thank you for being there!

The world, and especially the youth today, need to be aware of this past and the things that went on.

Too many stories have been warped or altered or eliminated...

(I can't give you answer on the dates though, sorry).

[50poiuyt]

Thank you,brave and serious Americans.Your fight saved many lives of Vietnamese chinldren ,women and young Americans

[promisejr85]

This is why the government does not want to legalize marijuana Cause hippies use to smoke alot of it. It opens ur mind in seeing whats really going on with all these wars and how they try to control us. If u see now and days we dont protest like that no more cause we cant smoke weed n we r distracted with commercials advertisements and stupid topics about celebrities and funny r troops r dieing lookin for Osoma Bin laden did not find no yellow cake. N no one is protesting???

[juliovac]

@promisejr85 stfu..... every one smokes weed, its easier to buy weed than fucking bread, and i agree it should be legalized , but wtf does it have to do with war and people not being ignorant? wake up u've been smoking too much weed my friend

[1DarkMasK1]

@promisejr85

Hippies didnt do shit it was RADICAL anti-war protesters who did things.

Hippies just preached about free love and peace and their actions included smoking pot, have sex and listen to the music

There is nothing more selfish then just that

How many hippies sold their things and use the money to buy satrving children food around the globe?

How many hippies did actully force their government to change their policies?

Hippies used war to justify their own selfish needs

[buzzmund]

hey meaaan that wasnt cool when you burnt down that dudes hut meaaan!!!

[Zyworski]

They have figured out that if they release soldiers to come back to civilian life they will lead the protest movement. Now they offer the sun the moon and the stars as well as outrageously lucrative reenlistment bonuses. If you have the misfortune to be wounded before your tour is up they will say you didn't fulfill your contract and have to give the money back. The military are some big time chicken shits and anyone who falls for their BS and goes back for seconds deserves what happens to them.

[oysterjoe]

It was right at this point in history that the Vietnam anti-war demonstrations were invaded and co-opted by every "cause" under the sun from gay rights to reparations for interned Japanese Americans.

Now, if one can even find a anti-war demonstration, ALL causes are represented.

[zeker55]

Good God! I was there in 1969. I was 14, traveling with my 13 yr old cousin. Placed on the bus in Minneapolis by our politically active parents. Lol...imagine that happening today. We had a fine time at the rally, got home safe and sound, and the war ended only about six years later.

[james72110]

i looking for pic are video of holy Hubert he was a preacher at Berkeley in the 1960-1970

[mobystranger]

MOst of this IS from 1969, the November 1969 March Against the Viet Nam War to be precise. I know. I was there. There is some footage here that may be from another date, Esp the scenes where people are splashing around in the reflecting pool (I think) by the Washington Monument, shirtless and all. Possible, but doubtful in November. But most of it IS the November, 1969 March, the largest protest in American history.

[greenwoodtea]

This is what Feedom is........Protesting criminal policies...I will never forget those days.....they should be happening today

[sndd0138]

they are. you just never hear about them

[andyx1205]

@greenwoodtea Well, there are smaller protests, but they are led by far-right wing Tea-Baggers, who are really KKK-lite.

I've also read, however, from history intellects such as Noam Chomsky, that there is actually much more protest and peace movements than the Vietnam days. The difference, however, is that today they receive no coverage in the media.

For example, the media will cover a protest of 1000 teabaggers, but ignore an anti-Iraq protest of 10 000. So we just don't know about it.

[kariebeez]

The Vietnam war defined much of my late childhood and adolescence and shaped many of my political beliefs today. Appropriate video and music of the era. This footage will always be real and speak volumes about war and politics despite its being over 40 years old. Thanks - beautiful job.

[GDR352]

Bottom line, folks, is that it's all about the Bottom Line. Cold War ended; no more need for all those weapons systems. So what's a poor military-industrial complex to do? Answer: Invent a new enemy. Sure bin Laden exists, but the threat of terrorism is so totally overblown by the media it's got us all looking for bin Laden under our beds. But it certainly is good for business. Just ask Halliburton Corp. They're bin Laden's biggest fan and he's their biggest money maker.

[BigDaddyPimpen]

any one who nows which date this was from?

[BigDaddyPimpen]

*knows

[Whitedovie]

Check it out...Bin Laden isn't even on the FBI's most wanted list. It was all a bogus "New Pearl Harbor" to get people to believe in "ghosts" so they'd be afraid...sure...enter the Homeland Security, Patriot Act, yada yada lies. Now they poison our skies with Chemtrails, water with Flouride, food with GMO's and now they want to inject us with a vaccine made from infected monkeys flesh...Wake up people

[Whitedovie]

Saddam himself was his own dictator who wouldn't go along with the NWO, therefore was taken out like a pawn on the chessboard. We went in there to get his gold and oil....under the guise that he had WMD's and harboring the Alqueda. Blatant lies! 911 wasn't even done by Bin Laden, he was our own CIA agent hired to go in & kill the Taliban. Educate yourself!!

[A44732]

Wolf - I don't think this is 1969 footage. I think it was from '70 or '71.

[WolfEchoes]

Perhaps that is true on the date... thanks.

It is good footage (and obviously a point in history well worth discussion).

Some pretty intense views in some of the comments - but of course war IS intense.

[KillAllCops]

America actually succeded in a genocide, where as Germany did not.

Depends how you choose to view it i guess.

[A44732]

You're one of the least intelligent, least informed people on here.

Let me get this straight - you say America succeeded in genocide, which isn't true, and your name is "KillAllCops"?

[KillAllCops]

Hmmm, i'm sorry if i was offensive, didnt mean to be so.

I dont see many Native Americans wandering around anymore. In contrast.

My username (if YOU picked up a book) is an ironic reference to something, which you can work i'm sure.

[Elmonsterhombre]

OK they also did a lot of war crimes, but the U.S. invaded their part of the land only because they didn´t want them to become communistic and not to loose their important stategic position near the big communist states russia and china (and do you really compare a flag of a communistic and nationalsocialistic land/ regime ;) ? )

this war was senseless

[King123Gbg]

PEACE :)

[ray42]

Excellent video, great job!

What song was that?

[WolfEchoes]

Sorry, had to replace that song... copyright issue.

It was a Grateful Dead tune though...

Mississippi Halfstep I believe.

[ChosenUnixon]

How the f*ck can USA call themself for the land of Freedom? If you ask me its the land of War and death.

[wozza2341]

Thanks for this. What happened in America? You did all this anti-war stuff back in the 60s and 70s, and now the situation is worse.... and now you don't protest.

[WolfEchoes]

I am from Canada... but you are correct.

It was a different time then - but the ideal and reality is the same in this day.

War does not belong; and poor leadership is not an excuse for it in any country.

[wozza2341]

Thanks for your thoughtful response WolfEchoes. I'm Australian, so you and I are in a similar position with regard to US policies! I believe war does have its place in certain contexts, but I just don't understand how the American people can support such evil leaders. What is it with this demented relationship with Israel? They've totally ruined themselves over their insane policy in the Middle East. I blame the American people for all of these mistakes they have allowed themselves to make.

[WolfEchoes]

yes, you are right... war sometimes has to be an answer.

Politics are intense and most often silly.

Two such powers are not helping each other or this world by keeping old ideals and beliefs alive.

We know these people can work together... we see it in our own countries - yet these leaders do not even try to understand each other or to work together for change.

Maybe the new leadership in these countries can stem that flow of growing madness! There is no future in holding the past.

[A44732]

This situation isn't worse. No one that was around then even believes that. It's not remotely true in any analysis of any aspect of these wars. Iraq is not Vietnam.

Second, don't babble about "US policies" as though Australia didn't send troops to Iraq, too. You heard me.

[wozza2341]

Yes indeed A44732, Iraq is not Vietnam. Iraq is a country in the Middle East. Also, I think it is worse than Vietnam for the US. At least back then your leaders acted in what they perceived as US interests. We can't say that now, can we?

[A44732]

It was absolutely in the US's best interest to change the dynamic in that country to whatever sustainable, preferably democratic, situation that allowed sustainable release of UN sanctions that had contributed to the great pain felt in that nation for the 12 years prior, which we spent "containing" them by parking the "infidel coalition" in Saudi Arabia during that time. Soon, we will be able to leave completely. No sanctions. No Saddam.

[wozza2341]

Yes, but also a million Iraqis killed, 4 million displaced inside and outside the country, destroyed infrastructure with little or none of the promised reconstruction... This is a heavy price for the Iraqis to pay to get rid of Saddam. This is not in the long-term interests of the US.

[A44732]

First, the number dead isn't truly known, but let's go with your number. Whatever the number, it doesn't break down into categories - civilians, jihadists, Saddam Loyalists, etc.

Second, you also need to add to the number dead the million killed by the sanctions that you seem to have been fine in continuing...

Third, what infrastructure? Again, the infrastructure was another victim of sanctions. We bombed military targets, not water stations.

Saddam was a heavy price to pay for the Iraqis

[wozza2341]

Why do you assume I supported the sanctions? I most certainly did not. The sanctions were a continuation of the 1991 Gulf War. With regard to infrastructure, the point is that the good ol' US destroyed it through sanctions, bombed it in the 2003 war, and has done nothing to reconstruct it. Iraq in was the most advanced and secular country in the Arab world (under Saddam, mind you). The US destroyed Iraq. You can blame Saddam, but only Americans would believe that. Iraqis certainly won't

[A44732]

Iraqis -- all of them -- believe they've been killing each other -- not Americans. That is most certainly Saddam's legacy, not ours. Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds (before) have been killing each other both before and after the invasion. So where's this "secular" you speak of? And saying Iraq was the most advanced, which I'm not even sure is true, means nothing anyway -- they were also the most vicious to themselves and to their neighbors. Again -- all Saddam's fault.

[A44732]

The sanctions were used in lieu of full invasion. The third option would have been to do neither, resulting in him running amok through the Middle East AGAIN. Not an option for the civilized world. Sanctions never should've happened. We should've taken the mother fucker out in '92, period.

[wozza2341]

This "secular" state of Iraq died when the US and its coalition invaded in 2003. There was no sectarian conflict prior to that time. Iraq was indeed the most technologically advanced country in the Arab world in the 1980s. Go and read up on it. It had the most highly literate and educated population in the region. If what you say is true about Iraqis killing each other at that time, prove it. In the war against Iran in teh 90s, Saddam's consisted of Sunni, Shia and Kurd. There were no militas.

[A44732]

YES, there ARE Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds in Iraq. Correct. BUT, they were killing each other! Didn't know that?

Prove it? Go look up the very reason the 33rd and 31st parallels were established as "no fly zones" against Saddam. I'll save you some time: because north of the 33rd is where the majority of Kurds are, and south of the 31st is where the majority of the Shiites are. The part in between is known as the "Sunni Triangle". Secular doesn't equate to peaceful. You're dead wrong.

[wozza2341]

Well, the nationalist ideology of the Iraqi state didn't allow sectarian conflict. In the Iran-Iraq war, the Shiite population of Iraq supported their own country and fought fiercely against their fellow Shiites from Iran. This secularism is no longer.

As for your division of Iraq into three zones, well, yes, the Israelis and their friends in the US wanted to break up Iraq into three. The term "Sunni triangle" is a CNN propaganda term. Which of my points is this information responding to?

[brooklynparrot]

Amazing footage.