02:31-02:53 this building i believe was at the Carnation residence. i think these photos are there to show that kurt was never there. read love and death. they talk about a smashed window but there was no note inside as alleged by the police
Next segment of project unplugged will contain previously unheard recordings of conversations with Dr. Hartshorne ( the person that performed Kurt and Kristen's autopsy and now also deceased). Be sure to watch out for segment three of project unplugged which will be out soon....
I mean, Kurt would have to be extremely still while somebody was injecting him, and I doubt he would be if they were doing it forcibly. Further more, in all likelyhood, there would be burst blood vessels and veins because of said struggle, and there would be plenty of blood at the scene and on him. Yet as far as we can tell, there wasn't a ton of blood.
So then, we would have to assume, that Kurt WAS taking heroin, and somebody intentionally gave him an extremely high dose. But even with that, it still raise the absurdity of somebody doing all of that in my previous comment. And as I stated, going by your theory, wouldn't there have been some kind of struggle? Wouldn't he hear somebody coming up to him, wouldn't he jerk away if he saw somebody WITH A SYRINGE HEADING TOWARD HIM? there would be obvious signs. But there's none, as far as we know.
I never said Kurt didn't do heroin before he died. I talk about his use because people think he was such a hardcore user, he could have possibly sustained the huge injection he was given long enough to pull the trigger on the shotgun. That's just not possible, regardless of whatever scenario you're dreaming up here.
And sorry. YouTube didn't send me a single notification this conversation was going on, or you know I would have been here. :)
@GoddessFourWinds I'd say the 'scenario [I'm] dreaming up here' is a pretty valid one. Actually, it riddles holes into the 'omfg dat bich kild kurdt' scenario.
And yes, I do recall you saying once that he barely used heroin, if at all.
I was talking about his drug use during the last few months of his life. It's true that he wasn't the hardcore user he was accused of being.
And have you seen me ever talk like that about Courtney?
Now regardless of what you believe may or may not have happened, I'm still waiting for proof that anyone could have had the amount of heroin in his system that Kurt did who was about to do anything so it would be possible Kurt shot himself.
Mothra61: You misunderstood me, I am not agreeing with you. I support everything Goddess is saying here. What I meant was that someone could have drugged him with the valium first (the root beer can was never analyzed) making him too groggy to defend himself, and then injected him with the hot shot.
Of course, you might say "well, they knocked him out first" by hitting him? There would be obvious signs of this. And even if they did, then why, why would they need to inject him with heroin if he was already out cold? Just to make it seem like more of a suicide? And even if that was the case, you're telling me, this person took a shot gun, propped him up, stuck it under his chin, and pulled the trigger? There would be obvious evidence if this was the case, but there isn't.
.... who has ever worked with needles and injections, knows that doing so is an extremely delicate process. Most heroin users know this, too. You cant just jam needles into somebody. So if how could he get that much heroin in him, without doing it himself? Are you saying this supposed killer just walked up to him, and stabbed a needle in his arm hopefully hitting a vain? I mean, do you realize how absurd this is?
I have recently tried to distance myself from the insanity of the Nirvana fandom, so forgive me if I'm not up to date on any possible "new beliefs" you have, GFW.
Anyway, I believe I have found quite the fatal flaw in your argument. Considering the fact you deny his heroin use, then how, may I ask you, did that large amount of heroin get into his system without some sign of an obvious struggle? To get that much heroin in somebody requires an injection, obviously, and anybody who... (CONTINUED)
I am 100% sure. He's not out to gain points for his rep or whatever. He's out to expose the truth to as many people as possible. I'm the one who had him share in YouTube since I know it can reach a larger audience. :)
It's protocol to take them. It's not unusual for the evidence to be revisited at a later date. Many apparent suicides turn out to be murders that were staged. Since most evidence disappears over time, the photos are often key to the new investigation.
Photos are even taken at all vehicular crashes where death occurs. They are used in the investigation of the crashes. Since Kurt's case was labeled a suicide before the development of the film, the photos did not need to be developed since that ended further investigation.
There is a guy on here that has posted a video about the case and disagrees with alot and he says they destroyed the prints but I never hear anything like that..him and I have been debating back and forth on here about alot!
And I just thought of something how come the police never developed those pics they took of the crime scene???? Are they still in exsistence???? Those should be printed and made public or available to a law enforcement person who is maybe still involved in the case or something....I need to get a degree in law I say!!!!
The SPD said they do not develop prints of suicides. But there were also Polaroids taken at the scene. Since the case is closed, they are under no obligation to show them to anyone.
Awesome I watched it last night too under Toms posting of it... great use of the pics especially of Kurts cabin there...This is going to be great when all the segments are done and it gets out to so many people...Great work Tom keep going strong!!!
There are so many conspiracy theories about so many things.
THIS CASE IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
The truth will come out because the EVIDENCE is there- despite all of the sloppy police work and cover-ups, including other related death(s). I'm so thrilled with Tom Grant and the P.UP. crew and proud to have done the cover work for the film. Nobody who murders deserves to be at loose and a potential danger to others, NO MATTER HOW MANY FANS THEY HAVE.
seems at least enough evidence just in this section to reopen the case. id love seatlle police to come along and answer the reason all these points arent or werent considered.
a connection with kurt and his music, you should still require justice for kurt, and realize what you would expect for yourself... I will always love Kurt Cobain,
yourself... I will always love Kurt Cobain, regardless of the perceptions i recieve from others... I'm the local Cobain freak of my group and there isn't any other position i would rather hold... Good Luck, and i honestly hope that the truth will everyday john, jane, citezen have of recieving justice. to show the complete disregard of facts by the police is in direct reflection of what we can expect ourselves. so even if you never felt such
disregard of facts by the police is in direct reflection of what we can expect ourselves. so even if you never felt such a connection with kurt and his music, you should still require justice for kurt, and realize what you would expect for
respected by such a great deal of people can die without all questions being asked... what honest chances can we the everyday john, jane, citezen have of recieving justice. to show the complete
an idol to me, and a friend to me regardless of circumstaces. And for the most famous individual of his time to die without a proper and thorough investigation leaves me with a taste of disgust. Because simply put, if someone who was loved by so many, and
I am with no doubt in my mind not the only one who feels the same, and i cannot express the complete gratitude and satisfaction that this project has provided. Kurt was an inspiration to me,
of the few luky enough to have met him in person, or to have simply been able to see him in person, i feel an unbreakable connection wth him through his music....
What is that picture at 2:52?
Healingscars114 10 months ago
02:31-02:53 this building i believe was at the Carnation residence. i think these photos are there to show that kurt was never there. read love and death. they talk about a smashed window but there was no note inside as alleged by the police
Rapter57 1 year ago
Update on Project Unplugged:
Next segment of project unplugged will contain previously unheard recordings of conversations with Dr. Hartshorne ( the person that performed Kurt and Kristen's autopsy and now also deceased). Be sure to watch out for segment three of project unplugged which will be out soon....
shazzadee 1 year ago
I mean, Kurt would have to be extremely still while somebody was injecting him, and I doubt he would be if they were doing it forcibly. Further more, in all likelyhood, there would be burst blood vessels and veins because of said struggle, and there would be plenty of blood at the scene and on him. Yet as far as we can tell, there wasn't a ton of blood.
Mothra61 2 years ago
So then, we would have to assume, that Kurt WAS taking heroin, and somebody intentionally gave him an extremely high dose. But even with that, it still raise the absurdity of somebody doing all of that in my previous comment. And as I stated, going by your theory, wouldn't there have been some kind of struggle? Wouldn't he hear somebody coming up to him, wouldn't he jerk away if he saw somebody WITH A SYRINGE HEADING TOWARD HIM? there would be obvious signs. But there's none, as far as we know.
Mothra61 2 years ago
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judyleasugar97 2 years ago
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Mothra61 2 years ago
I never said Kurt didn't do heroin before he died. I talk about his use because people think he was such a hardcore user, he could have possibly sustained the huge injection he was given long enough to pull the trigger on the shotgun. That's just not possible, regardless of whatever scenario you're dreaming up here.
And sorry. YouTube didn't send me a single notification this conversation was going on, or you know I would have been here. :)
GoddessFourWinds 2 years ago
@GoddessFourWinds I'd say the 'scenario [I'm] dreaming up here' is a pretty valid one. Actually, it riddles holes into the 'omfg dat bich kild kurdt' scenario.
And yes, I do recall you saying once that he barely used heroin, if at all.
Mothra61 2 years ago
I was talking about his drug use during the last few months of his life. It's true that he wasn't the hardcore user he was accused of being.
And have you seen me ever talk like that about Courtney?
Now regardless of what you believe may or may not have happened, I'm still waiting for proof that anyone could have had the amount of heroin in his system that Kurt did who was about to do anything so it would be possible Kurt shot himself.
Give me that and I'll consider the rest.
GoddessFourWinds 2 years ago
Mothra61: You misunderstood me, I am not agreeing with you. I support everything Goddess is saying here. What I meant was that someone could have drugged him with the valium first (the root beer can was never analyzed) making him too groggy to defend himself, and then injected him with the hot shot.
judyleasugar97 2 years ago
@judyleasugar97 That's still a very long shot.
Mothra61 2 years ago
Mothra61: Is it? Not really, considering Courtney already drugged him on rohypnol in Rome.
judyleasugar97 2 years ago
Of course, you might say "well, they knocked him out first" by hitting him? There would be obvious signs of this. And even if they did, then why, why would they need to inject him with heroin if he was already out cold? Just to make it seem like more of a suicide? And even if that was the case, you're telling me, this person took a shot gun, propped him up, stuck it under his chin, and pulled the trigger? There would be obvious evidence if this was the case, but there isn't.
Mothra61 2 years ago
.... who has ever worked with needles and injections, knows that doing so is an extremely delicate process. Most heroin users know this, too. You cant just jam needles into somebody. So if how could he get that much heroin in him, without doing it himself? Are you saying this supposed killer just walked up to him, and stabbed a needle in his arm hopefully hitting a vain? I mean, do you realize how absurd this is?
Mothra61 2 years ago
I have recently tried to distance myself from the insanity of the Nirvana fandom, so forgive me if I'm not up to date on any possible "new beliefs" you have, GFW.
Anyway, I believe I have found quite the fatal flaw in your argument. Considering the fact you deny his heroin use, then how, may I ask you, did that large amount of heroin get into his system without some sign of an obvious struggle? To get that much heroin in somebody requires an injection, obviously, and anybody who... (CONTINUED)
Mothra61 2 years ago
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BoyintheMachine 2 years ago
I am 100% sure. He's not out to gain points for his rep or whatever. He's out to expose the truth to as many people as possible. I'm the one who had him share in YouTube since I know it can reach a larger audience. :)
GoddessFourWinds 2 years ago
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kurt cobain is a secret ninja
MrDroopdog1 2 years ago
Why would they take pictures knowing they wont be developed? not trying to argue.
shorteststraw76 2 years ago
It's protocol to take them. It's not unusual for the evidence to be revisited at a later date. Many apparent suicides turn out to be murders that were staged. Since most evidence disappears over time, the photos are often key to the new investigation.
GoddessFourWinds 2 years ago
Photos are even taken at all vehicular crashes where death occurs. They are used in the investigation of the crashes. Since Kurt's case was labeled a suicide before the development of the film, the photos did not need to be developed since that ended further investigation.
GoddessFourWinds 2 years ago
There is a guy on here that has posted a video about the case and disagrees with alot and he says they destroyed the prints but I never hear anything like that..him and I have been debating back and forth on here about alot!
lorel31 2 years ago
Courtney wanted the prints destroyed but the cops knew that would really cast them in a bad light.
GoddessFourWinds 2 years ago
And I just thought of something how come the police never developed those pics they took of the crime scene???? Are they still in exsistence???? Those should be printed and made public or available to a law enforcement person who is maybe still involved in the case or something....I need to get a degree in law I say!!!!
lorel31 2 years ago
The SPD said they do not develop prints of suicides. But there were also Polaroids taken at the scene. Since the case is closed, they are under no obligation to show them to anyone.
GoddessFourWinds 2 years ago
Awesome I watched it last night too under Toms posting of it... great use of the pics especially of Kurts cabin there...This is going to be great when all the segments are done and it gets out to so many people...Great work Tom keep going strong!!!
lorel31 2 years ago 3
Great Job, Tom !!! Great Song and GREAT VOICE
TheKCob 2 years ago 7
There are so many conspiracy theories about so many things.
THIS CASE IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
The truth will come out because the EVIDENCE is there- despite all of the sloppy police work and cover-ups, including other related death(s). I'm so thrilled with Tom Grant and the P.UP. crew and proud to have done the cover work for the film. Nobody who murders deserves to be at loose and a potential danger to others, NO MATTER HOW MANY FANS THEY HAVE.
Love you Ginnie, Tom, Co., and Kurt!
Lola L.
LumierexCosmic 2 years ago 2
Kurt is great. This song sucks though. Least original voice i've ever heard.
roejogan8 2 years ago
"Til that time tread easy, for I no longer cry, even though they took from me the freedom of goodbye." Instant tears.
HaleyExists 2 years ago 3
seems at least enough evidence just in this section to reopen the case. id love seatlle police to come along and answer the reason all these points arent or werent considered.
meatymouldia 2 years ago 3
Makes a whole lot sense to me. Keep it up so the ppl with know the truth
ithinkimdumb 2 years ago 3
a connection with kurt and his music, you should still require justice for kurt, and realize what you would expect for yourself... I will always love Kurt Cobain,
CobainsDomain 2 years ago
I understand how you feel. The web has allowed me to meet fans of Kurt's all over the world that know exactly what you're talking about...
GoddessFourWinds 2 years ago
yourself... I will always love Kurt Cobain, regardless of the perceptions i recieve from others... I'm the local Cobain freak of my group and there isn't any other position i would rather hold... Good Luck, and i honestly hope that the truth will everyday john, jane, citezen have of recieving justice. to show the complete disregard of facts by the police is in direct reflection of what we can expect ourselves. so even if you never felt such
CobainsDomain 2 years ago
disregard of facts by the police is in direct reflection of what we can expect ourselves. so even if you never felt such a connection with kurt and his music, you should still require justice for kurt, and realize what you would expect for
CobainsDomain 2 years ago
respected by such a great deal of people can die without all questions being asked... what honest chances can we the everyday john, jane, citezen have of recieving justice. to show the complete
CobainsDomain 2 years ago
an idol to me, and a friend to me regardless of circumstaces. And for the most famous individual of his time to die without a proper and thorough investigation leaves me with a taste of disgust. Because simply put, if someone who was loved by so many, and
CobainsDomain 2 years ago
I am with no doubt in my mind not the only one who feels the same, and i cannot express the complete gratitude and satisfaction that this project has provided. Kurt was an inspiration to me,
CobainsDomain 2 years ago 2
of the few luky enough to have met him in person, or to have simply been able to see him in person, i feel an unbreakable connection wth him through his music....
CobainsDomain 2 years ago
quite angelically throughout many radio and media outlets... While i was not one
CobainsDomain 2 years ago
I fell proud to be quite possibly the one of the first to comment on this video... I grew up listening to kurts words, sung
CobainsDomain 2 years ago