tylerdurden666able I think we have (a) too many threads of discussion going and (b) we are hogging this comment section. I think it is definitely worth continuing this discussion, but we should do so through messages not here. To that end, I will message you a bit later on. Hogging a comment page like this is just poor YouTube etiquette.
But you are saying they are possessed by demons. You do realize that you are demonizing people who are actually only physically ill. I don't accept the doctrine of the soul btw, the mind and the body are one and the same. There is also no "good understanding of God", it is all tainted by your own admission.
Well, if the devil is able to take over and misrepresent the core aspects of what constitutes God's message to humanity, then there is in fact no valid form of worship, and you are always a Satanist by default. In fact anyone who worships anything is automatically a Satanist, and only Atheists who worship at no false altars have any hope of being saved. If any of it is corrupt, it is all suspect. Don't drink from a poison well.
Your misreading of history on this matter is grotesque. Prior to the Council of Nicea and the ratification of agreed texts, there was no Bible, only a broad collection of texts. To all intents and purposes the only Bible was in fact the Torah, certainly this text of the vengeful God of the Jews had no room for Jesus in it. I also suspect if you had read the excluded textx (which I have read translations of, such as the Gospel of Judas) you grasp why they were excluded.
Well, to some degree at least, commerce is part of how our species organizes itself. You claim it is immoral. So did the communists. The fact remains that those who criticize commerce and capital have yet to offer anything other than deathcamps in place of it.
I think you are being grossly unfair and uninformed about how much mental health sciences can actually achieve to help desperate and troubled people restore some normality to their lives. Religion had nothing comparable to offer. Instead it used to torture and demonize the mentally ill, and I fear that is exactly what you are indicating you support. You should be ashamed of yourself for your lack of mercy, patience, and insight. Sick people need care, not your scorn.
You may have your beliefs about what creates mental illness, but moral fibre is not lacking in the majority of the people I treat. Many have been victims of atrocious events that have left them traumatised. Others have been poisoned by things they have come in contact with. The fact remains, that a great many conditions have been understood neurologically and are treatable. Perhaps not to the depth we might like, but enough to improve matters enormously.
Sorry, I cannot believe in anything for which there is no evidence. You are also correct, that science often does some dreadful things, especially in the area of medicine. However, we are a species of ape that is desperately seeking to improve itself through knowledge, we can hardly be expected to get everything right first time. Whatever the ills of science, they are many times better than what passed for medicine in the Mediaeval era with only God and Error.
Oh dear, did you really say that God's ends will justify his means ? That's more Machiavellian than Machiavelli.
As far as I see, the world makes great sense. There is the mission of human progress as typefied by scientific inquiry. There are the forces of ignorance that oppose the scientific mission,like religion. Then there is Capital, that seeks solely to increase it's power and reach, and seeks to harness science. Of these 3 forces, only science is productive.
Well on the point of us being a species that evolved, no god,nly science etc. I think you are too optimistic to suppose that a species of semi-aquatic hive apes is going to get everything right, just because they have science. Evolution takes a long time,thousands of years, and science has only been around for 4 centuries to evolve us. Also, I doubt you really grasp how utterly disgusting and appalling life and morality was back before we developed science.
Lol, I suppose one might be forgiven for mistaking the Bush Presidency as being 8 years of tribulation culminating in the GFC in the seventh year... but it's hardly the end of the world. :D
Seriously, I doubt many of the current crop of doomsdayers have ever seen even 1 year of proper tribulation. In any case, what passes as tribulation in Europe and the USA is just business as usual in Africa.
The wonderful thing about selling the afterlife to rubes is that you can promise them literally anything, because you know you will never have to deliver on a damn thing about it. Also, have you noticed how just about every human need is sinful ? There is no heaven, it's just a sales pitch. How do you feel about next weekend's doomsday btw ?
But God lied, didn't he ? God made the devil in another act that makes us question his perfection. Anything the Devil does, God must bear responsibility for. God is the author of both good and evil. He should seek our forgiveness, not vice versa, for we are the victims of his copious incompetence.
So demonic possession and mental illness are the same thing ? Except that now we understand the chemical neurological imbalances that cause them and can treat them physically with a combination of therapies. There is no need for a recourse to unholy ghosts to explain... or angels for that matter. These become merely symbols of past human ignorance and incapacity. Science delivers us. Religious nonsense merely distracts us from the truth.
Religious people have been claiming to view signs and portents of the end times since before Jesus and his false prophecy. As a person with a professional interest in psychology I meet and treat quite a few paranoid schizophrenics, of whom a great many claim just such insights. Imagine the peasants praying and flagellating themselves on hillsides on Dec 31st 999AD, only to have the sun come up on Jan 1 and Jan 2. It's just a nonsense that adds drama to boring lives.
The point I was making regarding what Jesus was saying... via your translation it sounds as if he is welcoming the coming annihilation of his people... the Jews... in a fashion reminiscent of a certain Austrian ex-painter. LOL now you are telling me that all life is an exercise in futility and you want humanity to be annihilated ? Really, subtract God from your life and you "Pokemon evolve" into a sociopathic nihilist. You really have a very shaky moral foundation.
Now for the explanation as to why in detail your explanation is silly. You are making Jesus predict the destruction of his people, and make it sound like he is thankful that they are finally all going to die.
Matt 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, this race of Jews shall not pass away until all these things be fulfilled"
Very Hitlerian. Are you saying that Hitler was a reincarnation of Jesus ? I hope you can see that your alternative translation doesn't work at all.
Your efforts at translation are clearly wrong. If your God exists, then the Bible cannot be mis-interprested or mis-translated because the very numina of God's Truth protects it. If HIS true word can be tampered with, then he is not benign, he is not almighty, he is not all knowing, and he is not perfect, so he is not God. Anyone who translates the Bible is suffused with the Holy Spirit and protected from error...or God doesn't exist.
I support the overthrow of monarchies and organized religions. They're just short-hand for tyranny. I don't support doing so violently, but if monarchies and religion had initiated the violence, I would throw my lot in with their enemies and do so with a clear conscience. Of course I would be requiring some pretty solid proof. I still won't be worshiping anyone's bogeyman, holy or unholy. I care about outcomes, not symbology.
Okay, apparently you are correct about Atheists being able to join the Grand Orient of the USA. Of course none of those things are actually gods, so that would be lying really, wouldn't it ? As big a lie at least as the god of the Bible. In any case, in my country no such liberal attitudes apply in Freemasonry, and if I was asked to bow before anything I would say "no", because anyone who demands my subservience doesn't deserve it.
The so-called power of the Freemasons has declined exponentially since the advent of TV. Having chatted to masons on the matter, they were at the height of their social influence just after WW2, then it all just melted away. I actually regard the Freemasons as being a valuable contributer to society and its values have proven to be sound. I applaud their fight to overthrow the corrupt aristocrats and clergy of Europe. I also support their civic virtue.
Actually regarding Matthew 24:34 Jesus made it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that he was referring to the generation to whom he was speaking. Do you see stars in the sky at night time ? Has that generation passed away from the Earth ? Yes and yes. Therefore Jesus was wrong. Therefore Jesus was a false prophet. There is no avoiding the fact.
The really funny thing is that Jesus was obviously one of those false Christs. He made false prophecies and failed to fulfill the 4 tasks of the Messiah, as well as providing the grounds for over 80 generations of persecution of the Jews through his new sect. According to Jesus you know a tree by it's fruit, and "Christ" is the title of the anointed Messiah, not Jesus' surname, so he is not a Christ, but a false Christ himself.
I like the fact that you look to the Book of Daniel for your apocalypse. It is such a nice change from Revelations. In any case, I put it to you, if they couldn't get basic meteorology right, how could they know a thing about the end of the world ? Incidentally, I hope you know that Jesus actually gave a provably false prophecy about the end of the world too. Matthew 24:29 and 24:34.
Your comments about the Masons are false. If you are an atheist, you cannot join. Atheists admit the existence of no higher power than humans and human reason, therefore they are not eligible to be masons. No doubt there have been some atheists who lied to gain entry, but they weren't actually officially eligible. That is the long and the short of the matter. I agree that if one believed in Thor or Satan or Allah one would be eligible, but Atheists don't.
No, you're correct, the Illuminati existed, in fact I checked out the archives in Ingolstadt Bavaria regarding the Illuminati, Weishaupt, the Jesuits, and Weishaupt's teacher Maximillian Hell who was an early mesmerist. My point is, that it does not exist in any meaningful way today. They played a small part in the French Revolution and were ultimately absorbed into the anarchist movement in the 1850s. That was the end of them.
Actually A. Crowley's claim to being a high ranking Freemason were just part of his silly self-promotion. The so-called Masonic organizations he claimed to belong to weren't recognized by any of what you would call the "elites". Crowley was persona non grata with the "elites" for being a gutter press sensationalist bogeyman. Furthermore the number of the beast is actually 616.
Idols ? That was in the precinct of the Temple of Solomon. The priests and Rabbis would never have allowed that. In fact what Jesus was going berserk over was the fact that Roman coinage (bearing the likeness of the Man-God Caesars) were being exchanged for Shekels. In either case, pure bigotry. In case you were not aware, the Jews often made idols of Yahweh their God. After the "Captivity" they elected not to make more because they kept getting smashed by invaders.
Regarding your sister's pregnancy. Unconscious cues like alterations in her scent may have triggered that dream. That smell part of the brain is very old, and is quite fascinating.
Lol what ? Reptile men in ancient Egypt ? Deeply unlikely. Don't tell me you're signing on with the Icke crowd ? That is the height of gullibility; way worse than being fooled into thinking there is a God. For a start, there would be bodies and fossils. Furthermore, every single doctor and forensic pathologist in the world could detect the slightest trace of reptile blood or DNA easily. Solid evidence would exist, and it would have been found by now.
Sorry, I file that sort of thing under "twisted conspiracy persecution fantasies". It's up there with birthers, 911 inside jobbers, those who blame HAARP for every natural disaster, chemtrailers, and Ike reptile-men believers. I have actively looked for evidence of all these things, and what passes for evidence is just the worst and most ignorant tripe. This stuff is trotted out by self-aggrandizing "prophets of Dooms than Never Happen".
Well, every prophet falls into one of 2 camps. Either they predict things and people make them happen by trying to avoid them. Or they predict things and no-one listens and they happen. The only useful prophecies are the ones that never occur. Don't get hung up on thinking too much about the significance of dreams, unless they start coming true. So far none of your dreams have come true. Not even close.
So, Jesus raises his whip against his fellow man in anger and you are all over it making excuses for his inexcusably un-Christian violence ? Yet, anyone who isn't Jesus and claims to be a Christian commits violence and they are intrinsically damned ? Why didn't Jesus turn the other cheek as he preached ? Where was his alleged doctrine of peace and love ? So he lays into peaceful merchants providing ritual goods for the Temple. Not very nice, not all that excusable.
Well there is the difference between us. You spent your time railing against something that didn't exist because you were raised to believe in it. My parents told me that I was free to work it out for myself, and we could discuss matters. I became a scholar of the World's religions, and have concluded my search with the finding that while some truth and wisdom may be found in religion, that they are ultimately all inferior to science, and ALL Gods are just fairy stories.
Well, my Great Grandpa was a high ranking Mason, and I have inherited his books and Masonic materials. Having read them, and other Masonic literature I know your claims are absurd. Your friend is probably having a little Masonic joke with you. Did he say anything about having sex with goats as an initiation ? Seriously, the Masons are less sinister than the Baptists, and less scary than the Scientologists. I make a point of studying all these organizations.
So, God is merely warning us about the Devil ? Really ? Then why the arbitrary acts of his in the Garden of Eden ? I mean, if you left your retarded kids in the care of someone you knew was a drug dealer, and they committed crimes at the drug dealer's suggestion, who is to blame ? Well, Adam and Eve had no knowledge of Good and Evil; that makes them retarded. The snake was a forbidden fruit pusher. Everyone got punished except for the most guilty party... GOD !
Atheism is not Lucifer worship, not even close. Atheists think Satanism is slightly more ludicrous than the pseudo-Judaism you follow. If the elites of the world are atheist, it is because religion is obviously false in the light of reason and scientific inquiry. As to the Masons, ATHEISTS CAN'T JOIN ! And really, why would they ? As to the Illuminati, it is no more real than hell or the devil, or god and heaven, or the tooth fairy, or the easter bunny.
You say there is a god ? Fine, I am always open to a demonstration via evidence. But the evidence had better be pretty non-subjective and either surprisingly reproducible or utterly impossible to reproduce and yet accessible to me and able to leave evidence that it did in fact occur. Not all that much of an ask for your almighty friend, he did make the universes after all...
Okay, the vision is noted. But how do you know it was God who sent you the vision, not Satan tempting you with false information ? Or perhaps it was just a dream, and has no deeper significance ? Had that occurred to you ?
You wrote "those who are true followers of christ would never raise a hand against another in violence"
So putting that in the context of the rest of that comment you are saying that Jesus is in Hell, because he went crazy ape bonkers in the Temple of Solomon with a whip, attacking his fellow man for trying to make a living by supporting the demand of worshipers for shekels.
Come on now, this statement seems to indicate that you think there is truth in the Bible, when just earlier we discussed how it had all been completely rewritten by Satan (even though that is hilarious to atheists, and impossible if you believe God is almighty). So now you are pinning your hopes on Revelations; the ravings of a religious bigot who got high on mold ? I don't pretend the Bible is entirely false, but it is far from entirely true, and that means it ain't holy.
Only Atheists are in true gnosis. They know there is no God. Any Christian by comparison by their own admission does not truly know God, and cannot. It isn't the devil who makes matters blurry, it is wooly thinking bronze age nonsense that makes things seem blurry. The whole Christian philosophy is an exercise in grotesque absurdism, predicated on an urge to masochism.
Well here we must differ. I see the whole notion of heaven and hell as being a really primitive "carrot and stick" routine to make people obedient. I think the entire doctrine is contemptible. It is also responsible for insuring that no Christian can every be truly altruistic, because all their actions are measured against this fear of punishment and desire for reward, not against any pure spirit of giving. The whole heaven/hell doctrine devalues humanity.
If God is in all things, then how can he not look out for his own interests at all times ? If everything is part of god at some level, how can it be otherwise ? Or are you saying that God is neglectful ?
Au contraire. If your god is INSIDE all things, then he is looking after only his own interests. As to an afterlife, if I don't live to see nanotech driven human immortality I'm sure I can pay to be frosted until it occurs, and if that fails, then in geological time I will return to the stardust from whence we all came anyhow. Death holds little fear for me, but life is much more interesting to a hungry mind. Certainly there is no heaven or hell, or carrot & stick.
So what is "my bogeyman" apart from human ignorance... (which I think I can prove is a tangible problem). Science is where I look for answers, and I can generally quantify my "bogeymen". I don't need some bronze age Semitic superstition to misinform me about the world, I have the means to work it out for myself. Are you concerned that a rival cult has more power than this cult you claim you don't belong to ? Sour grapes much ?
I will make this clear. I don't worship god because the Hebrew scriptures seem like they describe a monster that is unworthy of human worship. The also demonstrate a supposed "creator of the universe" who is ignorant of basic meteorology. As these scriptures are the only proof for such an entity, I accept them as a bad "shared world anthology", and a cultural document. There is no god, and we certainly don't need such bogeymen now we have science.
You say that "God is magic" so he can contradict himself, his universe, and the truth for which he stands ? So basically as the Bible shows us, your God is actually totally amoral, and the Bible contradictions are all valid, and while he tells us he is "merciful" he is in fact merely as merciful as any absolute dictator, who happily condemns the bulk of his subjects to atrocious suffering, content that this demonstrates his "power" and his "justice".
Well, like it or not, the Jews of the Bible calculated their year based on a 364 day Jubilee Calendar, and that was an infinite improvement on the previous 360 day "Prophet's" calendar. Both of these faulty calendars throw the whole issue of the Sabbath into a stark insanity of recalculations where none of them line up. Perhaps that is why nobody stones anyone for working on the Sabbath these days ? Most of the time the Sabbath is equivocal in any given week.
So basically you are saying that by changing the Jewish Sabbath by a day that was a Satanic act ? You do know that the Jews had completely miscalculated the calendar by using 364 days right ? So basically they were getting the seasons wrong and planting at the wrong time because their scripture was given to them by a perfect god who never makes any mistakes and it said 364 days. That lost day loses you a season after 90 years, and the planet doesn't care about scripture.
Actually I have taken the time to study the world's black magic traditions with the same academic eye that I bring to the world's religious traditions. If you are referring to the fact that the Olmec culture of Central America considered owls to be the servants of their version of the God of the Afterlife, then I think you are clutching at straws. If you are saying that Owls are used as symbols in pantheist religions, so what ? What wasn't ? I-pods ?
Any free will that can be removed is not TRUE free will. In any case, free will is incompatible with God's alleged attributes, so either there is no free will, or there is no God. You cannot have both.
Hehe. Actually I quite enjoy the subject, that's why I used to teach it. I am surprised and somewhat amused that you favor the King James Bible. I have heard plenty of Christians accuse that very translation of being similarly infernal and self-serving. Personally I think that all alleged "scripture" is merely the work of a con-artist class called "priests", who market false hope to the gullible.
I don't need to look this up on Wikipedia, I have written a monograph on the period and it's ideas when I was lecturing on the Wars of Religion at the University of Cologne back in 1997. You say the Catholics killed "millions of people" for owning non-Latin Bibles. I agree that the Catholics murdered millions of people, but NOT for owning non-Latin Bibles as you maintain. They only every killed 14 people for translating the Bible into English. which is not the same thing.
My argument is completely valid. God cannot give us free will, as if he did, then he wouldn't be almighty, or perfect, or all-knowing. Any free will is an illusion while God exists and can revoke free will anyhow. Free will as an argument just cannot work logically. This was the central subject of Calvinism and his doctrine of Pre-determinism, and if you consider yourself a Protestant, then you cannot seriously argue for Free Will.
Bohemian grove. Okay, have you ever been to a school camp ? Did you ever put on a play ? Well, the burning of old care is just a way of celebrating the fact that people are on holiday now so their old cares are gone. As for the Giant Owl, it is the symbol of Athena, the Greek Goddess of Wisdom, and I guess it is wise to put your cares behind you. Incidentally, you don't know what Olmec is. Lucifer has many guises, but owls aren't one of them.
Explicitly ? Hardly. The book of Revelations and Matthew 24 are anything but explicit. Explicit is names, dates, and chronological order. They offer vague hints of signs that can be misinterpreted from now until the Sun goes out. Also, stop picking on the days of the week. Saturday is from the Roman deity Saturn, just like Thursday is from Thor. By your reckoning that makes every day Satansday.
That's about right, there were 14 Lollard Heretics executed in Britain. As for the Inquisition, only around 1000 killed, though many many more were tortured or imprisoned by them. The really large numbers of killings were not until the Wars of Religion, when the Catholics and Protestants went through an unknown number of people, dead of fighting, atrocities, disease, and starvation. It wasn't just Catholics.
The Catholic Church never murdered "millions" for "owning a Bible". You are grossly exaggerating. They killed a few "heretics" for translating the Bible into English. As to only having a Latin Bible, you condemned your argument with your previous statement of the Bible having been in 400 languages... how could we know that unless there were surviving Bibles in 400 other languages ? Your words, not mine. Your claim here just doesn't make sense.
LOL, you really think Bohemian Grove is a Satanist sect ? I've seen the "evidence" and they're no more Satanic than a troupe of Girl Guides (admittedly I have known of some highly Satanic Girl Guide troupes).
Your entire premise here is flawed. If there was actually a real God, then there is no possible way that it could allow the Bible to be tampered with in any way. It is simply impossible for God to be a perfect entity and to allow itself to be misrepresented without intervening to stop such acts (however subtly). So basically your God cannot exist.
You see here we differ again. You see people turning away from god as being demonic. I see demons as the superstitious product of a vivid religious imagination, with no objective reality. Getting rid of yet another false god is a good thing. Getting rid of false gods is always a good thing. On this occasion the false god is your god, but rest assured, it is an evil figment of the bronze age imagination and humanity will be wiser and better for shedding it.
Hang on, that isn't actually true. The Bible existed in may forms both within and outside Europe and was certainly never only in Latin. Next, if there really was a god, who was all-powerful, all-knowing, and completely good, do you seriously think that this god would allow their only true scripture to be misrepresented ? The answer is, there is no way that they could allow such a thing, and that is proof that god cannot exist.
Hang on, didn't you say earlier that you look to the Bible for your values ? How do you know you aren't doing Satan's work ? Lol, do you "know it in your heart" ? Because I wouldn't accept that as proof of anything. Also, who out of the world's elite SERIOUSLY says they worship Satan, (I mean apart from Dick Cheney), and I don't consider heavy metal bands to be part of the "elite".
Okay, so if the Bible is manipulated by the Devil, how can you tell what is tainted and what is pure ? The fact is, you can't because both God and the Devil are unknowable. God because he is infinitely wise and subtle, and Satan because he is infinitely tricky. The fact remains, that nobody can really know if they are doing God's work of Satan's, within this view. You might even find a self-professed Satanist who is actually doing God's work better than Christians.
Well of course the elite worship Satan, and so do you, because the Bible is clearly inspired by Satan to discredit God and lead humans astray. That is the only good answer I have ever heard as to why the Bible is as wrong as it is. It is indeed Satan's book, not Yahweh's, and that is why it is filled with contradictions and errors; it's author was not divine.
So you say that you don't need to kill anyone for working on Sundays. Do I really need to drag out Numbers as well ? God doesn't exist, so how is he going to kill anyone ? To rectify this oversight, Moses/Hammurabi was pretty clear as to what had to happen:
Okay, so if you admit there is fallacy in the Bible, how can that be ? If your god is truly perfect and almighty, all-knowing and totally good, how can his book have mistakes or be unintelligible ? If he is almighty he can certainly fix those problems. If he is all-knowing he would know not to make mistakes, If he is perfect he wouldn't make mistakes. If he were truly good, he wouldn't allow mistakes to be made in his name. The Bible itself disproves your God.
Now just to make this clear, I don't believe in gods or devils. I take an anthropological view, which places your beliefs no higher than those of a tribal amazonian's. So, objectively, using the Bible as the basis of evidence, how is the devil more evil than god ? From what I have read, god is an illogical and murderous fiend. Satan by comparison seems like the regime scapegoat, a bit like Trotsky's position under Stalinism.
So we agree that religion is crap. The remaining difference between us is the Bible. I know the Bible is crap because it says stupid things about the world such as it having a ceiling. Now if you think the Bible is a holy book inspired by God, then why does it have so many ridiculous mistakes in it when God repeatedly tells us in the Bible that he and his plan are perfect ? I mean, if this is God's idea of "perfect", I think you are "backing the wrong horse".
You are clearly not very well versed in your understanding of the Bible. How about you go and read the damn thing before calling yourself a Christian ? After all, shouldn't you know your religion better than someone like me who knows it is all a load of bronze age lies ? As to the quote regarding girls being forced to marry their rapist I will direct you to a youtube video that will give you the info:
Betty Bowers Explains Traditional Marriage to Everyone Else
There is no love in the Bible. It was written as an ideology of hate by a group of bronze age savages bent on world conquest. They failed. Now how could they fail if their god was real ?
Hang on, that's Jesus speaking in Matthew and in Luke. I notice you didn't even attempt to refute my Luke quote. I guess that scored points. Your God has ordered you to kill people who work on Sundays, and Jesus supports that law. How does that make either of them good ?
You are writing nonsense again. You don't understand why your god does anything at all. Not only because your god is imaginary, but also because according to the Bible that you claim to adhere to, your god's purpose cannot be known by humans. That makes you both wrong and a liar, because you can't be a Christian and claim to know God's mind. That is the true sin against the Holy Spirit and you are damned for all eternity for the most hated sin of hubris.
The Bible is full of wrong answers, silly answers, and evil answers. For example, if a girl is raped, marry her off to the rapist says the Bible. That's just grotesque, and you are grotesque for supporting that sort of bronze age idiocy.
Firstly, why would anyone WANT to bring your genocidal and illogical religion to the world ? Next, what little sect of Buddhism acknowledged Jesus, and what did they acknowledge him as ? A myth ? Because that's what he was and is. He never actually existed, the Jews lied...AGAIN...
So if you think the Book of Enoch is so great, how come it is full of complete nonsense like the winds coming out of doors in the roof of the world ? You do understand that we know how weather patterns work now, and that's not even close, right ?
Well, how does something become popular ? The answer is marketing, not the truth or value of it. Consider that for most of history, Asian religions like Buddhism have dwarfed Christianity, and it is only with the advent of science and commerce that Christianity was exported to the world. Before that it was just another eccentric regional cult. I don't consider either Buddhism or Christianity to be true, I consider them to be silly memes.
Yes, exactly. All that nonsense about him being a deity is completely absurd. Clearly the deity that supposedly inspired the Bible is just a myth, or the document wouldn't contain such stupid errors. Consider, if you were a totally benign god, would you allow ANYONE to misrepresent your teachings ? I certainly wouldn't.
Well, if you haven't simultaneously loved your neighbor while murdering them with rocks for working on a Sunday, then you haven't followed the Bible. Remember what Matthew 5:17 says about Jesus not coming to abolish the law. The OT restrictions all still apply.
So, if you are an atheist, why carry on with all this Bible prophecy nonsense ? As to the duties Jesus did not fulfill, there are 4 tasks required of the messiah in Judaism, and he managed none of them. The prophecies that Jesus made that were false can be found in Matthew 24:29 and 24:34 which when read together tell us that all the stars should have fallen out of the sky 2000 years ago with that generation. That is what Jesus himself prophesied, and it was false.
Okay, lets speculate with your religion for a moment. Has it never occurred to you that the Jews are right and Jesus is neither the messiah nor a true prophet ? He failed to fulfill the duties of the messiah, and he made false prophecies, what more do you want ? As to this DODGE that Christians are always using that the translation is bad... well, sorry... if your all powerful, all knowing god can't get his word translated accurately, that's just proof he doesn't exist.
So lets get this straight... you seriously think the Bible has answers ? Even though you don't actually follow what it teaches ? Even though it has been the subject of false prophecies since the time Jesus lied about all the stars falling out of the sky in his generation ? Even though religious loons like yourself have been saying the world is ending like chicken little since the bronze age ? Put away childish things !
So, clearly you must be the "global elites" to make such a threat, otherwise, how could you pretend to possibly know... unless you're just full of crap ?
Actually 666 Represents: Jesus,God,Church&Christ. The Destruction of truth! Jesus is the numerical value of 666=the antichrist. The US IS the antichrist. Religion is false and man made. Wake up People!
Actually Jesus is identified as the anti-Christ by St John in revelations 22:16. Isiah first draws the connection between the Satan and the Morning Star, which is called Lucifer in Latin, which is what St John calls Jesus. And lets face facts, Jesus failed as the Jewish Messiah to do what was prophesied, so he's really a false prophet. The scriptures say so, some may want to believe differently, but they are the REAL children of the LIE.
@formless777 Jesus is NOT the anti-Christ!Anti-Christ are somebody working against Christ,and Anti-Christ will come n the last time before Jesus is returning.Anti-Christ will work hard to make many Christians turning away from Jesus.
Most people think that, but they are wrong. "Christ" is a word that derives from the Greek word for "anointed", which is what "Messiah" means; the Divinely Anointed Ruler of Israel. As Jesus was clearly not the true Messiah, having failed in all the 4 tasks of the Messiah, and having set his followers against the chosen people for 2000 years, clearly Jesus is the ANTI CHRIST !
So every single Jew who is still awaiting the REAL Messiah, dissatisfied with the complete and abject failure of Jesus to fulfil even 1 of the 4 tasks of the true Messiah, you are saying that all Jews are anti-Christ ? So what's next ? Gas chambers ?
Israel is blind Isa. 6:9-10 stupid Jer 4:22 and half-baked Hos 7:8 They thought they knew the prophecies of Messiah's glories, but they did not know the prophecies of His sufferings.
"Let these sayings sink down into your ears..." Luke 9:44 Have they?
The apparent failure of the kingdom was taught in the parables, with a hidden purpose, a "treasure hid in a field" Matt 13:44 Deu 32:34 even "the remnant whom Yahveh shall call." Joel 2:32
Of course Israel is blind to a false Messiah, only the genitles would fall for such an obvious trap by the Deceiver. A real messiah fulfills the 4 tasks of the Messiah, Jesus had his chance and failed miserably, so he no longer qualifies, now he's anti-Christ. Consider how this false messiah turned the world against his own people with his terrible lies. Jesus was an inhuman monster and he has made a lot of people die for his sins and follow his primrose path to hell.
@formless777 People like you make me want to slap you right upside the head,that is the dumbest thing I've ever hear.You are a heretic.If you don't know jesus and you obviously don't don't talk about him.how can you talk about someone you don't know.if you knew him you would love him.So don't talk about my Jesus like that.hard headed and hard hearrted people on this earth
So because you are an idiot your first instinct is violence. I am not a heretic, Christianity is the heresy, a breakaway cult from Judaism. Judaism has prophecies regarding the true Messiah, there are 4 tasks required of the true Messiah and Jesus performed none of them, and probably never actually existed.
This is not hard heartedness, merely facts, besides, read Revelations 22:16, Jesus is revealed as Lucifer. The Bible's surprise ending.
@formless777 Are you on drugs or what? The angel Gabriel predicted in the book of Daniel the timeframe in which the Messiah would appear. But most of the jews of Jesus' day were too dumb to realise the Messiah was right in front of them. The Jews brought a curse on themselves by rejecting the predicted Messiah - this is one of the reasons they have suffered so much for the last 2000 years.
So you're talking about the prophecies of angels and you want to know what drugs I'm on ? I assume that you are on something hallucinogenic and highly illegal and are hoping to score some more. Religion is the opiate of the masses.
@formless777 "Religion" Is the opiate of the masses - there is some truth in that. .but. .we need to separate the paranormal from religion - you are assuming that the paranormal doesnt exist. .one of the reasons why you oppose the book of Daniel is because the book of Daniel predicts the coming of the Greek empire around 200 years before Alexander the Great was an egg-cell - and that's TOO MUCH TO TAKE for your world-view. Only a real angel could have predicted That.
Not so, the Book of Daniel makes no direct reference to any such thing. A true prophecy has to be clear and testable or else it can apply to anything at all, just as Tarot cards can be made to apply to any situation. The human brain superimposes meaning where there isn't any, and that is 15% of all religion. Consider Jesus' false prophecy in Matthew 24:29-34, it is a clear prophecy of things that will happen in that generation and it didn't come true.
Well there you have it. Your first instinct towards someone who is offering an alternative view is violence. None of this "turn the other cheek" nonsense, every Christian knows that is nonsense and violence is the better answer, right ? Christians have made damn sure anyone with a different opinions about religion knew that notions of forgiveness were just words too. Millions of dead to prove it. Where Christians go genocide follows.
@tylerdurden666able
tylerdurden666able I think we have (a) too many threads of discussion going and (b) we are hogging this comment section. I think it is definitely worth continuing this discussion, but we should do so through messages not here. To that end, I will message you a bit later on. Hogging a comment page like this is just poor YouTube etiquette.
formless777 9 months ago
@formless777 wow your on form for politeness and consideration formless777, nice one....
Cursed8Blessed 3 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
But you are saying they are possessed by demons. You do realize that you are demonizing people who are actually only physically ill. I don't accept the doctrine of the soul btw, the mind and the body are one and the same. There is also no "good understanding of God", it is all tainted by your own admission.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well, if the devil is able to take over and misrepresent the core aspects of what constitutes God's message to humanity, then there is in fact no valid form of worship, and you are always a Satanist by default. In fact anyone who worships anything is automatically a Satanist, and only Atheists who worship at no false altars have any hope of being saved. If any of it is corrupt, it is all suspect. Don't drink from a poison well.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Your misreading of history on this matter is grotesque. Prior to the Council of Nicea and the ratification of agreed texts, there was no Bible, only a broad collection of texts. To all intents and purposes the only Bible was in fact the Torah, certainly this text of the vengeful God of the Jews had no room for Jesus in it. I also suspect if you had read the excluded textx (which I have read translations of, such as the Gospel of Judas) you grasp why they were excluded.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well, to some degree at least, commerce is part of how our species organizes itself. You claim it is immoral. So did the communists. The fact remains that those who criticize commerce and capital have yet to offer anything other than deathcamps in place of it.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
I think you are being grossly unfair and uninformed about how much mental health sciences can actually achieve to help desperate and troubled people restore some normality to their lives. Religion had nothing comparable to offer. Instead it used to torture and demonize the mentally ill, and I fear that is exactly what you are indicating you support. You should be ashamed of yourself for your lack of mercy, patience, and insight. Sick people need care, not your scorn.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
You may have your beliefs about what creates mental illness, but moral fibre is not lacking in the majority of the people I treat. Many have been victims of atrocious events that have left them traumatised. Others have been poisoned by things they have come in contact with. The fact remains, that a great many conditions have been understood neurologically and are treatable. Perhaps not to the depth we might like, but enough to improve matters enormously.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Sorry, I cannot believe in anything for which there is no evidence. You are also correct, that science often does some dreadful things, especially in the area of medicine. However, we are a species of ape that is desperately seeking to improve itself through knowledge, we can hardly be expected to get everything right first time. Whatever the ills of science, they are many times better than what passed for medicine in the Mediaeval era with only God and Error.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Oh dear, did you really say that God's ends will justify his means ? That's more Machiavellian than Machiavelli.
As far as I see, the world makes great sense. There is the mission of human progress as typefied by scientific inquiry. There are the forces of ignorance that oppose the scientific mission,like religion. Then there is Capital, that seeks solely to increase it's power and reach, and seeks to harness science. Of these 3 forces, only science is productive.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well on the point of us being a species that evolved, no god,nly science etc. I think you are too optimistic to suppose that a species of semi-aquatic hive apes is going to get everything right, just because they have science. Evolution takes a long time,thousands of years, and science has only been around for 4 centuries to evolve us. Also, I doubt you really grasp how utterly disgusting and appalling life and morality was back before we developed science.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Lol, I suppose one might be forgiven for mistaking the Bush Presidency as being 8 years of tribulation culminating in the GFC in the seventh year... but it's hardly the end of the world. :D
Seriously, I doubt many of the current crop of doomsdayers have ever seen even 1 year of proper tribulation. In any case, what passes as tribulation in Europe and the USA is just business as usual in Africa.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
The wonderful thing about selling the afterlife to rubes is that you can promise them literally anything, because you know you will never have to deliver on a damn thing about it. Also, have you noticed how just about every human need is sinful ? There is no heaven, it's just a sales pitch. How do you feel about next weekend's doomsday btw ?
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
But God lied, didn't he ? God made the devil in another act that makes us question his perfection. Anything the Devil does, God must bear responsibility for. God is the author of both good and evil. He should seek our forgiveness, not vice versa, for we are the victims of his copious incompetence.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
So demonic possession and mental illness are the same thing ? Except that now we understand the chemical neurological imbalances that cause them and can treat them physically with a combination of therapies. There is no need for a recourse to unholy ghosts to explain... or angels for that matter. These become merely symbols of past human ignorance and incapacity. Science delivers us. Religious nonsense merely distracts us from the truth.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Religious people have been claiming to view signs and portents of the end times since before Jesus and his false prophecy. As a person with a professional interest in psychology I meet and treat quite a few paranoid schizophrenics, of whom a great many claim just such insights. Imagine the peasants praying and flagellating themselves on hillsides on Dec 31st 999AD, only to have the sun come up on Jan 1 and Jan 2. It's just a nonsense that adds drama to boring lives.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
The point I was making regarding what Jesus was saying... via your translation it sounds as if he is welcoming the coming annihilation of his people... the Jews... in a fashion reminiscent of a certain Austrian ex-painter. LOL now you are telling me that all life is an exercise in futility and you want humanity to be annihilated ? Really, subtract God from your life and you "Pokemon evolve" into a sociopathic nihilist. You really have a very shaky moral foundation.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Now for the explanation as to why in detail your explanation is silly. You are making Jesus predict the destruction of his people, and make it sound like he is thankful that they are finally all going to die.
Matt 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, this race of Jews shall not pass away until all these things be fulfilled"
Very Hitlerian. Are you saying that Hitler was a reincarnation of Jesus ? I hope you can see that your alternative translation doesn't work at all.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Your efforts at translation are clearly wrong. If your God exists, then the Bible cannot be mis-interprested or mis-translated because the very numina of God's Truth protects it. If HIS true word can be tampered with, then he is not benign, he is not almighty, he is not all knowing, and he is not perfect, so he is not God. Anyone who translates the Bible is suffused with the Holy Spirit and protected from error...or God doesn't exist.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
I support the overthrow of monarchies and organized religions. They're just short-hand for tyranny. I don't support doing so violently, but if monarchies and religion had initiated the violence, I would throw my lot in with their enemies and do so with a clear conscience. Of course I would be requiring some pretty solid proof. I still won't be worshiping anyone's bogeyman, holy or unholy. I care about outcomes, not symbology.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Your god demands I bow. Therefore he doesn't deserve my respect. Coercion is tyranny.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Okay, apparently you are correct about Atheists being able to join the Grand Orient of the USA. Of course none of those things are actually gods, so that would be lying really, wouldn't it ? As big a lie at least as the god of the Bible. In any case, in my country no such liberal attitudes apply in Freemasonry, and if I was asked to bow before anything I would say "no", because anyone who demands my subservience doesn't deserve it.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
The so-called power of the Freemasons has declined exponentially since the advent of TV. Having chatted to masons on the matter, they were at the height of their social influence just after WW2, then it all just melted away. I actually regard the Freemasons as being a valuable contributer to society and its values have proven to be sound. I applaud their fight to overthrow the corrupt aristocrats and clergy of Europe. I also support their civic virtue.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Actually regarding Matthew 24:34 Jesus made it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that he was referring to the generation to whom he was speaking. Do you see stars in the sky at night time ? Has that generation passed away from the Earth ? Yes and yes. Therefore Jesus was wrong. Therefore Jesus was a false prophet. There is no avoiding the fact.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
The really funny thing is that Jesus was obviously one of those false Christs. He made false prophecies and failed to fulfill the 4 tasks of the Messiah, as well as providing the grounds for over 80 generations of persecution of the Jews through his new sect. According to Jesus you know a tree by it's fruit, and "Christ" is the title of the anointed Messiah, not Jesus' surname, so he is not a Christ, but a false Christ himself.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
I like the fact that you look to the Book of Daniel for your apocalypse. It is such a nice change from Revelations. In any case, I put it to you, if they couldn't get basic meteorology right, how could they know a thing about the end of the world ? Incidentally, I hope you know that Jesus actually gave a provably false prophecy about the end of the world too. Matthew 24:29 and 24:34.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Your comments about the Masons are false. If you are an atheist, you cannot join. Atheists admit the existence of no higher power than humans and human reason, therefore they are not eligible to be masons. No doubt there have been some atheists who lied to gain entry, but they weren't actually officially eligible. That is the long and the short of the matter. I agree that if one believed in Thor or Satan or Allah one would be eligible, but Atheists don't.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
No, you're correct, the Illuminati existed, in fact I checked out the archives in Ingolstadt Bavaria regarding the Illuminati, Weishaupt, the Jesuits, and Weishaupt's teacher Maximillian Hell who was an early mesmerist. My point is, that it does not exist in any meaningful way today. They played a small part in the French Revolution and were ultimately absorbed into the anarchist movement in the 1850s. That was the end of them.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Actually A. Crowley's claim to being a high ranking Freemason were just part of his silly self-promotion. The so-called Masonic organizations he claimed to belong to weren't recognized by any of what you would call the "elites". Crowley was persona non grata with the "elites" for being a gutter press sensationalist bogeyman. Furthermore the number of the beast is actually 616.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Idols ? That was in the precinct of the Temple of Solomon. The priests and Rabbis would never have allowed that. In fact what Jesus was going berserk over was the fact that Roman coinage (bearing the likeness of the Man-God Caesars) were being exchanged for Shekels. In either case, pure bigotry. In case you were not aware, the Jews often made idols of Yahweh their God. After the "Captivity" they elected not to make more because they kept getting smashed by invaders.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Regarding your sister's pregnancy. Unconscious cues like alterations in her scent may have triggered that dream. That smell part of the brain is very old, and is quite fascinating.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Lol what ? Reptile men in ancient Egypt ? Deeply unlikely. Don't tell me you're signing on with the Icke crowd ? That is the height of gullibility; way worse than being fooled into thinking there is a God. For a start, there would be bodies and fossils. Furthermore, every single doctor and forensic pathologist in the world could detect the slightest trace of reptile blood or DNA easily. Solid evidence would exist, and it would have been found by now.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Sorry, I file that sort of thing under "twisted conspiracy persecution fantasies". It's up there with birthers, 911 inside jobbers, those who blame HAARP for every natural disaster, chemtrailers, and Ike reptile-men believers. I have actively looked for evidence of all these things, and what passes for evidence is just the worst and most ignorant tripe. This stuff is trotted out by self-aggrandizing "prophets of Dooms than Never Happen".
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well, every prophet falls into one of 2 camps. Either they predict things and people make them happen by trying to avoid them. Or they predict things and no-one listens and they happen. The only useful prophecies are the ones that never occur. Don't get hung up on thinking too much about the significance of dreams, unless they start coming true. So far none of your dreams have come true. Not even close.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
So, Jesus raises his whip against his fellow man in anger and you are all over it making excuses for his inexcusably un-Christian violence ? Yet, anyone who isn't Jesus and claims to be a Christian commits violence and they are intrinsically damned ? Why didn't Jesus turn the other cheek as he preached ? Where was his alleged doctrine of peace and love ? So he lays into peaceful merchants providing ritual goods for the Temple. Not very nice, not all that excusable.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well there is the difference between us. You spent your time railing against something that didn't exist because you were raised to believe in it. My parents told me that I was free to work it out for myself, and we could discuss matters. I became a scholar of the World's religions, and have concluded my search with the finding that while some truth and wisdom may be found in religion, that they are ultimately all inferior to science, and ALL Gods are just fairy stories.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well if the Bible has been touched by Man's hands and Lucifer's hands and God did nothing about it... it is impossible for God to exist.
Why ?
Because if he were truly benevolent and did nothing he would be a liar, and that is not benevolent.
If he was ignorant of the changes, then he is not all-knowing.
If he couldn't act, then he is not almighty.
There are no excuses for errors in the Bible, they prove God doesn't exist.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well, my Great Grandpa was a high ranking Mason, and I have inherited his books and Masonic materials. Having read them, and other Masonic literature I know your claims are absurd. Your friend is probably having a little Masonic joke with you. Did he say anything about having sex with goats as an initiation ? Seriously, the Masons are less sinister than the Baptists, and less scary than the Scientologists. I make a point of studying all these organizations.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
So, God is merely warning us about the Devil ? Really ? Then why the arbitrary acts of his in the Garden of Eden ? I mean, if you left your retarded kids in the care of someone you knew was a drug dealer, and they committed crimes at the drug dealer's suggestion, who is to blame ? Well, Adam and Eve had no knowledge of Good and Evil; that makes them retarded. The snake was a forbidden fruit pusher. Everyone got punished except for the most guilty party... GOD !
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Atheism is not Lucifer worship, not even close. Atheists think Satanism is slightly more ludicrous than the pseudo-Judaism you follow. If the elites of the world are atheist, it is because religion is obviously false in the light of reason and scientific inquiry. As to the Masons, ATHEISTS CAN'T JOIN ! And really, why would they ? As to the Illuminati, it is no more real than hell or the devil, or god and heaven, or the tooth fairy, or the easter bunny.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
You say there is a god ? Fine, I am always open to a demonstration via evidence. But the evidence had better be pretty non-subjective and either surprisingly reproducible or utterly impossible to reproduce and yet accessible to me and able to leave evidence that it did in fact occur. Not all that much of an ask for your almighty friend, he did make the universes after all...
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Alright, let's go with a nice easy question.
If god is totally good, perfect, all powerful, and all-knowing, how can he allow a scripture to exist in his name that misrepresents him ?
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Okay, the vision is noted. But how do you know it was God who sent you the vision, not Satan tempting you with false information ? Or perhaps it was just a dream, and has no deeper significance ? Had that occurred to you ?
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
You wrote "those who are true followers of christ would never raise a hand against another in violence"
So putting that in the context of the rest of that comment you are saying that Jesus is in Hell, because he went crazy ape bonkers in the Temple of Solomon with a whip, attacking his fellow man for trying to make a living by supporting the demand of worshipers for shekels.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Come on now, this statement seems to indicate that you think there is truth in the Bible, when just earlier we discussed how it had all been completely rewritten by Satan (even though that is hilarious to atheists, and impossible if you believe God is almighty). So now you are pinning your hopes on Revelations; the ravings of a religious bigot who got high on mold ? I don't pretend the Bible is entirely false, but it is far from entirely true, and that means it ain't holy.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Only Atheists are in true gnosis. They know there is no God. Any Christian by comparison by their own admission does not truly know God, and cannot. It isn't the devil who makes matters blurry, it is wooly thinking bronze age nonsense that makes things seem blurry. The whole Christian philosophy is an exercise in grotesque absurdism, predicated on an urge to masochism.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well here we must differ. I see the whole notion of heaven and hell as being a really primitive "carrot and stick" routine to make people obedient. I think the entire doctrine is contemptible. It is also responsible for insuring that no Christian can every be truly altruistic, because all their actions are measured against this fear of punishment and desire for reward, not against any pure spirit of giving. The whole heaven/hell doctrine devalues humanity.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
If God is in all things, then how can he not look out for his own interests at all times ? If everything is part of god at some level, how can it be otherwise ? Or are you saying that God is neglectful ?
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Au contraire. If your god is INSIDE all things, then he is looking after only his own interests. As to an afterlife, if I don't live to see nanotech driven human immortality I'm sure I can pay to be frosted until it occurs, and if that fails, then in geological time I will return to the stardust from whence we all came anyhow. Death holds little fear for me, but life is much more interesting to a hungry mind. Certainly there is no heaven or hell, or carrot & stick.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
So what is "my bogeyman" apart from human ignorance... (which I think I can prove is a tangible problem). Science is where I look for answers, and I can generally quantify my "bogeymen". I don't need some bronze age Semitic superstition to misinform me about the world, I have the means to work it out for myself. Are you concerned that a rival cult has more power than this cult you claim you don't belong to ? Sour grapes much ?
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
I will make this clear. I don't worship god because the Hebrew scriptures seem like they describe a monster that is unworthy of human worship. The also demonstrate a supposed "creator of the universe" who is ignorant of basic meteorology. As these scriptures are the only proof for such an entity, I accept them as a bad "shared world anthology", and a cultural document. There is no god, and we certainly don't need such bogeymen now we have science.
formless777 9 months ago
You say that "God is magic" so he can contradict himself, his universe, and the truth for which he stands ? So basically as the Bible shows us, your God is actually totally amoral, and the Bible contradictions are all valid, and while he tells us he is "merciful" he is in fact merely as merciful as any absolute dictator, who happily condemns the bulk of his subjects to atrocious suffering, content that this demonstrates his "power" and his "justice".
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well, like it or not, the Jews of the Bible calculated their year based on a 364 day Jubilee Calendar, and that was an infinite improvement on the previous 360 day "Prophet's" calendar. Both of these faulty calendars throw the whole issue of the Sabbath into a stark insanity of recalculations where none of them line up. Perhaps that is why nobody stones anyone for working on the Sabbath these days ? Most of the time the Sabbath is equivocal in any given week.
formless777 9 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
So basically you are saying that by changing the Jewish Sabbath by a day that was a Satanic act ? You do know that the Jews had completely miscalculated the calendar by using 364 days right ? So basically they were getting the seasons wrong and planting at the wrong time because their scripture was given to them by a perfect god who never makes any mistakes and it said 364 days. That lost day loses you a season after 90 years, and the planet doesn't care about scripture.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Actually I have taken the time to study the world's black magic traditions with the same academic eye that I bring to the world's religious traditions. If you are referring to the fact that the Olmec culture of Central America considered owls to be the servants of their version of the God of the Afterlife, then I think you are clutching at straws. If you are saying that Owls are used as symbols in pantheist religions, so what ? What wasn't ? I-pods ?
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Any free will that can be removed is not TRUE free will. In any case, free will is incompatible with God's alleged attributes, so either there is no free will, or there is no God. You cannot have both.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Hehe. Actually I quite enjoy the subject, that's why I used to teach it. I am surprised and somewhat amused that you favor the King James Bible. I have heard plenty of Christians accuse that very translation of being similarly infernal and self-serving. Personally I think that all alleged "scripture" is merely the work of a con-artist class called "priests", who market false hope to the gullible.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
I don't need to look this up on Wikipedia, I have written a monograph on the period and it's ideas when I was lecturing on the Wars of Religion at the University of Cologne back in 1997. You say the Catholics killed "millions of people" for owning non-Latin Bibles. I agree that the Catholics murdered millions of people, but NOT for owning non-Latin Bibles as you maintain. They only every killed 14 people for translating the Bible into English. which is not the same thing.
formless777 10 months ago
Pre-determinism is also known, more specifically as Predestination.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
My argument is completely valid. God cannot give us free will, as if he did, then he wouldn't be almighty, or perfect, or all-knowing. Any free will is an illusion while God exists and can revoke free will anyhow. Free will as an argument just cannot work logically. This was the central subject of Calvinism and his doctrine of Pre-determinism, and if you consider yourself a Protestant, then you cannot seriously argue for Free Will.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Bohemian grove. Okay, have you ever been to a school camp ? Did you ever put on a play ? Well, the burning of old care is just a way of celebrating the fact that people are on holiday now so their old cares are gone. As for the Giant Owl, it is the symbol of Athena, the Greek Goddess of Wisdom, and I guess it is wise to put your cares behind you. Incidentally, you don't know what Olmec is. Lucifer has many guises, but owls aren't one of them.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Explicitly ? Hardly. The book of Revelations and Matthew 24 are anything but explicit. Explicit is names, dates, and chronological order. They offer vague hints of signs that can be misinterpreted from now until the Sun goes out. Also, stop picking on the days of the week. Saturday is from the Roman deity Saturn, just like Thursday is from Thor. By your reckoning that makes every day Satansday.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
That's about right, there were 14 Lollard Heretics executed in Britain. As for the Inquisition, only around 1000 killed, though many many more were tortured or imprisoned by them. The really large numbers of killings were not until the Wars of Religion, when the Catholics and Protestants went through an unknown number of people, dead of fighting, atrocities, disease, and starvation. It wasn't just Catholics.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
The Catholic Church never murdered "millions" for "owning a Bible". You are grossly exaggerating. They killed a few "heretics" for translating the Bible into English. As to only having a Latin Bible, you condemned your argument with your previous statement of the Bible having been in 400 languages... how could we know that unless there were surviving Bibles in 400 other languages ? Your words, not mine. Your claim here just doesn't make sense.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
LOL, you really think Bohemian Grove is a Satanist sect ? I've seen the "evidence" and they're no more Satanic than a troupe of Girl Guides (admittedly I have known of some highly Satanic Girl Guide troupes).
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Your entire premise here is flawed. If there was actually a real God, then there is no possible way that it could allow the Bible to be tampered with in any way. It is simply impossible for God to be a perfect entity and to allow itself to be misrepresented without intervening to stop such acts (however subtly). So basically your God cannot exist.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
You see here we differ again. You see people turning away from god as being demonic. I see demons as the superstitious product of a vivid religious imagination, with no objective reality. Getting rid of yet another false god is a good thing. Getting rid of false gods is always a good thing. On this occasion the false god is your god, but rest assured, it is an evil figment of the bronze age imagination and humanity will be wiser and better for shedding it.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Hang on, that isn't actually true. The Bible existed in may forms both within and outside Europe and was certainly never only in Latin. Next, if there really was a god, who was all-powerful, all-knowing, and completely good, do you seriously think that this god would allow their only true scripture to be misrepresented ? The answer is, there is no way that they could allow such a thing, and that is proof that god cannot exist.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Hang on, didn't you say earlier that you look to the Bible for your values ? How do you know you aren't doing Satan's work ? Lol, do you "know it in your heart" ? Because I wouldn't accept that as proof of anything. Also, who out of the world's elite SERIOUSLY says they worship Satan, (I mean apart from Dick Cheney), and I don't consider heavy metal bands to be part of the "elite".
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Okay, so if the Bible is manipulated by the Devil, how can you tell what is tainted and what is pure ? The fact is, you can't because both God and the Devil are unknowable. God because he is infinitely wise and subtle, and Satan because he is infinitely tricky. The fact remains, that nobody can really know if they are doing God's work of Satan's, within this view. You might even find a self-professed Satanist who is actually doing God's work better than Christians.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well of course the elite worship Satan, and so do you, because the Bible is clearly inspired by Satan to discredit God and lead humans astray. That is the only good answer I have ever heard as to why the Bible is as wrong as it is. It is indeed Satan's book, not Yahweh's, and that is why it is filled with contradictions and errors; it's author was not divine.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
So you say that you don't need to kill anyone for working on Sundays. Do I really need to drag out Numbers as well ? God doesn't exist, so how is he going to kill anyone ? To rectify this oversight, Moses/Hammurabi was pretty clear as to what had to happen:
Numbers 15:32-56
As you well know, killing people is only a sin unless the whole congregation is in on the lynching.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Okay, so if you admit there is fallacy in the Bible, how can that be ? If your god is truly perfect and almighty, all-knowing and totally good, how can his book have mistakes or be unintelligible ? If he is almighty he can certainly fix those problems. If he is all-knowing he would know not to make mistakes, If he is perfect he wouldn't make mistakes. If he were truly good, he wouldn't allow mistakes to be made in his name. The Bible itself disproves your God.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Now just to make this clear, I don't believe in gods or devils. I take an anthropological view, which places your beliefs no higher than those of a tribal amazonian's. So, objectively, using the Bible as the basis of evidence, how is the devil more evil than god ? From what I have read, god is an illogical and murderous fiend. Satan by comparison seems like the regime scapegoat, a bit like Trotsky's position under Stalinism.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
So we agree that religion is crap. The remaining difference between us is the Bible. I know the Bible is crap because it says stupid things about the world such as it having a ceiling. Now if you think the Bible is a holy book inspired by God, then why does it have so many ridiculous mistakes in it when God repeatedly tells us in the Bible that he and his plan are perfect ? I mean, if this is God's idea of "perfect", I think you are "backing the wrong horse".
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
You are clearly not very well versed in your understanding of the Bible. How about you go and read the damn thing before calling yourself a Christian ? After all, shouldn't you know your religion better than someone like me who knows it is all a load of bronze age lies ? As to the quote regarding girls being forced to marry their rapist I will direct you to a youtube video that will give you the info:
Betty Bowers Explains Traditional Marriage to Everyone Else
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
There is no love in the Bible. It was written as an ideology of hate by a group of bronze age savages bent on world conquest. They failed. Now how could they fail if their god was real ?
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Hang on, that's Jesus speaking in Matthew and in Luke. I notice you didn't even attempt to refute my Luke quote. I guess that scored points. Your God has ordered you to kill people who work on Sundays, and Jesus supports that law. How does that make either of them good ?
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
You want to know where it says that you have to kill people who work on Sunday ? The answer is Exodus 31:14.
Furthermore, if you then suggest that Jesus somehow made the old laws obsolete, I offer you:
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17)
and Matthew 5:18-19.
You are a false Christian. Better you just give in to common sense and face reality.
formless777 10 months ago
You are writing nonsense again. You don't understand why your god does anything at all. Not only because your god is imaginary, but also because according to the Bible that you claim to adhere to, your god's purpose cannot be known by humans. That makes you both wrong and a liar, because you can't be a Christian and claim to know God's mind. That is the true sin against the Holy Spirit and you are damned for all eternity for the most hated sin of hubris.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
The Bible is full of wrong answers, silly answers, and evil answers. For example, if a girl is raped, marry her off to the rapist says the Bible. That's just grotesque, and you are grotesque for supporting that sort of bronze age idiocy.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Firstly, why would anyone WANT to bring your genocidal and illogical religion to the world ? Next, what little sect of Buddhism acknowledged Jesus, and what did they acknowledge him as ? A myth ? Because that's what he was and is. He never actually existed, the Jews lied...AGAIN...
formless777 10 months ago
Book of Enoch,there you will find what was is and always will be,Amen
vwchrash 10 months ago
@vwchrash
So if you think the Book of Enoch is so great, how come it is full of complete nonsense like the winds coming out of doors in the roof of the world ? You do understand that we know how weather patterns work now, and that's not even close, right ?
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well, how does something become popular ? The answer is marketing, not the truth or value of it. Consider that for most of history, Asian religions like Buddhism have dwarfed Christianity, and it is only with the advent of science and commerce that Christianity was exported to the world. Before that it was just another eccentric regional cult. I don't consider either Buddhism or Christianity to be true, I consider them to be silly memes.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Yes, exactly. All that nonsense about him being a deity is completely absurd. Clearly the deity that supposedly inspired the Bible is just a myth, or the document wouldn't contain such stupid errors. Consider, if you were a totally benign god, would you allow ANYONE to misrepresent your teachings ? I certainly wouldn't.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Well, if you haven't simultaneously loved your neighbor while murdering them with rocks for working on a Sunday, then you haven't followed the Bible. Remember what Matthew 5:17 says about Jesus not coming to abolish the law. The OT restrictions all still apply.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
So, if you are an atheist, why carry on with all this Bible prophecy nonsense ? As to the duties Jesus did not fulfill, there are 4 tasks required of the messiah in Judaism, and he managed none of them. The prophecies that Jesus made that were false can be found in Matthew 24:29 and 24:34 which when read together tell us that all the stars should have fallen out of the sky 2000 years ago with that generation. That is what Jesus himself prophesied, and it was false.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
Okay, lets speculate with your religion for a moment. Has it never occurred to you that the Jews are right and Jesus is neither the messiah nor a true prophet ? He failed to fulfill the duties of the messiah, and he made false prophecies, what more do you want ? As to this DODGE that Christians are always using that the translation is bad... well, sorry... if your all powerful, all knowing god can't get his word translated accurately, that's just proof he doesn't exist.
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
So lets get this straight... you seriously think the Bible has answers ? Even though you don't actually follow what it teaches ? Even though it has been the subject of false prophecies since the time Jesus lied about all the stars falling out of the sky in his generation ? Even though religious loons like yourself have been saying the world is ending like chicken little since the bronze age ? Put away childish things !
formless777 10 months ago
@tylerdurden666able
So, clearly you must be the "global elites" to make such a threat, otherwise, how could you pretend to possibly know... unless you're just full of crap ?
formless777 10 months ago
its yahuwshua not masonic messiah g zeus nyphilim son of god alias hasatan
chuckyskeys 1 year ago
He will come when no one expects him dickhead.
Merkav3 2 years ago
Good, you know what is writen in the Bible. But, profanity is wrong too. Check the good book.
Ameresistmov 2 years ago
His girlfriend hates that.
formless777 2 years ago
so does anyone know what date this is ment to be on?
joekara08 2 years ago
Dude, like I've said, there are only 7 days left in July. If you are wrong then what will this mean for the rest of your book?
ThePersecuted1 2 years ago 2
Actually 666 Represents: Jesus,God,Church&Christ. The Destruction of truth! Jesus is the numerical value of 666=the antichrist. The US IS the antichrist. Religion is false and man made. Wake up People!
QueenCogswell 2 years ago
Actually Jesus is identified as the anti-Christ by St John in revelations 22:16. Isiah first draws the connection between the Satan and the Morning Star, which is called Lucifer in Latin, which is what St John calls Jesus. And lets face facts, Jesus failed as the Jewish Messiah to do what was prophesied, so he's really a false prophet. The scriptures say so, some may want to believe differently, but they are the REAL children of the LIE.
formless777 2 years ago
@formless777 Jesus is NOT the anti-Christ!Anti-Christ are somebody working against Christ,and Anti-Christ will come n the last time before Jesus is returning.Anti-Christ will work hard to make many Christians turning away from Jesus.
Hans021220 1 year ago
@Hans021220
Most people think that, but they are wrong. "Christ" is a word that derives from the Greek word for "anointed", which is what "Messiah" means; the Divinely Anointed Ruler of Israel. As Jesus was clearly not the true Messiah, having failed in all the 4 tasks of the Messiah, and having set his followers against the chosen people for 2000 years, clearly Jesus is the ANTI CHRIST !
formless777 1 year ago
@formless777 If anyone should say: "Jesus is not the Messiah", he is antichrist.
BackFromTheDepths 1 year ago
@BackFromTheDepths
So every single Jew who is still awaiting the REAL Messiah, dissatisfied with the complete and abject failure of Jesus to fulfil even 1 of the 4 tasks of the true Messiah, you are saying that all Jews are anti-Christ ? So what's next ? Gas chambers ?
formless777 1 year ago
@formless777
Israel is blind Isa. 6:9-10 stupid Jer 4:22 and half-baked Hos 7:8 They thought they knew the prophecies of Messiah's glories, but they did not know the prophecies of His sufferings.
"Let these sayings sink down into your ears..." Luke 9:44 Have they?
The apparent failure of the kingdom was taught in the parables, with a hidden purpose, a "treasure hid in a field" Matt 13:44 Deu 32:34 even "the remnant whom Yahveh shall call." Joel 2:32
PrinceWalter 1 year ago
@PrinceWalter
Of course Israel is blind to a false Messiah, only the genitles would fall for such an obvious trap by the Deceiver. A real messiah fulfills the 4 tasks of the Messiah, Jesus had his chance and failed miserably, so he no longer qualifies, now he's anti-Christ. Consider how this false messiah turned the world against his own people with his terrible lies. Jesus was an inhuman monster and he has made a lot of people die for his sins and follow his primrose path to hell.
formless777 1 year ago
@formless777 People like you make me want to slap you right upside the head,that is the dumbest thing I've ever hear.You are a heretic.If you don't know jesus and you obviously don't don't talk about him.how can you talk about someone you don't know.if you knew him you would love him.So don't talk about my Jesus like that.hard headed and hard hearrted people on this earth
Myredeemeriscoming 1 year ago
@Myredeemeriscoming
So because you are an idiot your first instinct is violence. I am not a heretic, Christianity is the heresy, a breakaway cult from Judaism. Judaism has prophecies regarding the true Messiah, there are 4 tasks required of the true Messiah and Jesus performed none of them, and probably never actually existed.
This is not hard heartedness, merely facts, besides, read Revelations 22:16, Jesus is revealed as Lucifer. The Bible's surprise ending.
formless777 1 year ago
@formless777 Are you on drugs or what? The angel Gabriel predicted in the book of Daniel the timeframe in which the Messiah would appear. But most of the jews of Jesus' day were too dumb to realise the Messiah was right in front of them. The Jews brought a curse on themselves by rejecting the predicted Messiah - this is one of the reasons they have suffered so much for the last 2000 years.
yastunt 1 year ago
@yastunt
So you're talking about the prophecies of angels and you want to know what drugs I'm on ? I assume that you are on something hallucinogenic and highly illegal and are hoping to score some more. Religion is the opiate of the masses.
formless777 1 year ago
@formless777 "Religion" Is the opiate of the masses - there is some truth in that. .but. .we need to separate the paranormal from religion - you are assuming that the paranormal doesnt exist. .one of the reasons why you oppose the book of Daniel is because the book of Daniel predicts the coming of the Greek empire around 200 years before Alexander the Great was an egg-cell - and that's TOO MUCH TO TAKE for your world-view. Only a real angel could have predicted That.
yastunt 1 year ago
@yastunt
Not so, the Book of Daniel makes no direct reference to any such thing. A true prophecy has to be clear and testable or else it can apply to anything at all, just as Tarot cards can be made to apply to any situation. The human brain superimposes meaning where there isn't any, and that is 15% of all religion. Consider Jesus' false prophecy in Matthew 24:29-34, it is a clear prophecy of things that will happen in that generation and it didn't come true.
formless777 1 year ago
@Myredeemeriscoming
Well there you have it. Your first instinct towards someone who is offering an alternative view is violence. None of this "turn the other cheek" nonsense, every Christian knows that is nonsense and violence is the better answer, right ? Christians have made damn sure anyone with a different opinions about religion knew that notions of forgiveness were just words too. Millions of dead to prove it. Where Christians go genocide follows.
formless777 9 months ago