The right to be heard doesn't give you the right to be taken seriously Alex :) You seem to attack everything that doesnt fit in with your narrow minded, simplistic, uneducated views. You attack and say all these things without backing it up with evidence, to put it simply what your talking about would never stand up in court, its called Burden of Proof, which - to me - you never have.
Communism isn't corrupt and evil as most Americans have been brainwashed into thinking. It's relative to how it's being used and who is using it that makes it good or evil. The ideology of communism is actually a very positive ideal much like democracy is so long as dictatorship and tyranny remain detached from these ideals. If you think democracy isn't being dictated then you're a fool. Money dictates democracy and the people who control the money are the dictators of this country.
"the fed is never able to create enough money to pay for the interest" Griffin thinks this is a myth. Is it a myth or is it true? Wouldn't it be just a simple question of mathematics?
This is the UN agenda. This guy is working for them. Bill Clinton was at Zeitgeist meeting in 1997. I am not even christian but can see through this charade...
And Alex doesn't logically understand Zeitgeist ideas. He distorts (don't know if this is written like this) what they say, unfortunately. And with this war he makes against the NWO, he is perpetrating the problems. These elite he talks about, they can't survive without us, money is not good for eating, nor powering their TVs or works like oil for cars. Actually, they are in our hands, we just have to realize that =P.
If we want a world with peace, we have to be united. No way around that. Only if we are all robots. Or dead. but that would be a peace we wouldn't be here to see =P.
I don't know if Zeitgeist is NWO. Nor I know it isn't. But from what I saw inside Zeitgeist, if Peter Joseph or Jacke Fresco were NWO members, no one would follow their ideas. Zeitgeist members, the ones I know (not few =P) are great critical thinkers, no one reads stuff and believes in the moment, they studdy other stuff too.
Yall might think I'm crazy but I think that Alex is right on this one, because If you really dissect what Jacque Fresco is really talking about.He really stole most of the information from Native American culture and spiritual beliefs, then he twisted it to push his agenda and that is to give birth to artificial intelligence and technological centralized power. And the power will lie into the hands of a group of architectural program writers that will create in Hollywood terminology the matrix
I also think that Alex is right. I found this Zeitgeist phenomenon interesting yet quite one-sided when they talk about human nature: they put a lot of emphasis on the social environment, and they tend to neglect the natural biological instincts of people. I looked into ZG3 (came out 2011 January) and in its beginning (well mannered) professors speak about this issue...
@donzutti ...but in my opinion those experts start to go down on a very dangerous path when they want to question basic human motivations and to make those instincts look changeable. I believe it is very close to reshaping people's mind by indoctrination and it is SCARY!
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY!: The Zeitgeist crew is quite smart but there are obvious flaws in their major reasoning (e.g. human behaviour, the Venus Project) so critics aiming these flaws have to be sharp and right on the point!
@donzutti well ever think what has shaped and indoctrinated your mind to believe that those things that are supposedly basic human motivations aren't changeable? How do you know they aren't changable?
@unfortunatebeam First: I'm not indoctrinated by anyone, I'm just critical and sane.
Second: if you look around in different historical times and cultures people had the s
ame instincts of survival, reproduction, competitiveness, curiosity etc.. just look at animals the more intelligent they have evolved the more complex their social interactions are!
Yes humans have the most advanced brain but you can find the above mentioned instinctive routs even in the most complex social activities!
@donzutti Furthermore: I agree that people should be less materialistic, more educated on the environment and social issues BUT I don't wanna buy into radical ideas.
We had planty of such radical ideas in the past hundred years and people rejected them for a good reason: they were inhuman.
Today economical and political powers are somewhat hidden, imagine how secretive the powers can be in a scientificly planned society where even fewer people can point out the flaws in a scientific solution!
@donzutti And to advise a practical solution for the problems of today's society: People should educate themselves become politically active to defeat corruption and misplaced powers. There are no shortcuts or utopias.
Once and for all everybody must GROW UP and realise that the POWER and the RESPONSIBILITY within are either in the hand of the common man OR in someone (or something) else's hand but in the latter case everybody else can't help but hope that they won't be screwed!
I also think that Alex is right. I found this Zeitgeist phenomenon interesting yet quite one-sided when they talk about human nature: they put a lot of emphasis on the social environment, and they tend to neglect the natural biological instincts of people. I looked into ZG3 (came out 2011 January) and in its beginning (well mannered) professors speak about this issue...
Better shut up and make the impression you're an idiot rather then say something and prove you are one. Good job, Alex, you proved it! You're an idiot. Try to document yourself about the idea of the Venus project and, and only if you'll understand it, speak about it.
Alex, (and his fans/non-fans), if you're all reading this, there's very little to add to this video and 'debate'. The conclusion is very simple: Alex is not a bad person, he just is not as intelligent as Peter. It's this simple. Greater intelligence allows you to see through a greater amount of information as well as the many interrelationships of the content inherrent to all information systems. Peter simply has a higher capacity for this, by virtue of his greater intelligence. And that's that.
@Sidionian Hi I'm not a fan of AJ, but he's doing a great job covering a lot of withold info. I have seen a lot of his videos and I can assure you that he knows a lot about social issues (especially history).
By the way I'm a student of law from Hungary, not some fluoride-head cult follower.
Yes, Alex loses his temper quite often, its his shortcoming and he should alter this not to frighten dissenting callers away but anyway we should tolerate him and each other's mistakes as well....
@donzutti On the other hand Peter Joseph comes up with his ZG based on half-truths (confusing religion in itself with oppressive corrupt religious institutions) and blatant lies (we live in a free market, US destined to fascism). He uses slick packaging and calm tone to sound superior.
No surprise why Alex is excited and angry here: he understands full well (so do I) how delusional and dangerous ZG is.
There is a difference between appearing to be intelligent and actually being that...
Is funny (and scary) how so many are turning against The Lord and His Word...which is prophecy to be fulfilled. The Bible predicted "vain philosphies" by men (Zeigeist being an example) that would lead the people away from God. So when I see so many people claiming "Christianity is untrue", "there is no God", "all religions are the same" I know that it is a sign of The Lord Jesus returning! Amen.
@Venustarr if i told you lies then claimed that you would figure out that im lying and never believe me again may mean that my prophecy is correct but it doesnt mean my lies are not lies the bible when referenced to physical evidence is not exactly a lie but it is extremely distorted i wont tell u there is not a creator (of man not the universe) persey but i will tell u there is no god in the sense the bible claims is litteral
@Venustarr You're an idiot. God/Jesus had 2 thousand years to solve the world's problems. He failed. It's our time now. Fuck off, please. You're irrelevant. Or better yet, go fly to Ethiopia and live in this shitty huts over there with your "Lord". See how long you'll last. Fucking troll.
there was an experiment. an old experiment, on deer, on scottish deer .....or canadian deer i forget but anyway; their was an experiment on deer lovely bambilookin... they penned these deer up and fed, and watered them to their hearts content while letting them breed... and breed...the long and short of it 95% died through some kidney disease. NATURE leaving only enough lucky fuckers alive who just so happened to pass on the genetic immunity) to their offspring
Yes, its true..the religion what zeitgeist is telling you about it the same religion what the people on top believe...but all Peter is saying is ALL of it is bullshit...That the ancient saw the sun as there life and savior and that horos is just the personification o the sun....Zeitgeist movement has nothing to do with religion at all. Its all about science and technology...
Alex has no idea what he is talking about, he keeps referring to Jiddu Krishnamurti as the christ of the UN. He hasn't done any research whatsoever!. Krishnamurti rejected the Theosophic society and walked away from them. He spoke consistently on the need for such structures as the UN as wrong also doing this to there face at a UN conference. He has no affiliation with religion whatsoever because it is divisive. Alex is wrong about Zeitgeist and Krishnamurti and shouts when he should listen.
Ignorance, lack of knowledge has been made clearly evident of hundred thousands of people`s comments on the internet about the Zeitgeist movies. People with subject knowledge do reason out more sensibly then those who have absolutely not even an idea on the subject matter. These are the very people who follow blindly with itching ears the deception presented by the Zeitgeist movies.
Watch out for my book: Does Zeitgeist-Movement Or Barack Obama Have The Answer To World Peace?
Jones is right about two things: zeitgeist zealots are like cult members and they always bring up religion/Christianity even when it's not been mentioned.
That is not correct from my perspective. It is more the other way around. Whenever I am talking about the Zeitgeist Movement itself, people randomly bring up Religion as standard questions. It seems the Religion part (from the first film) really gets to some people, and keep bringing it up over and over again.
"Horus is nothing like Jesus", "Jesus was not born on Dec, 25th", "Krishna wasn't a Virgin Son", -- and other usual comments.
This is complete paranoia. Jaques Frecso (Peter Joseph's inspiration) is 92 years old and has no interest in taking away your precious bible. In a world free of competition, religion would be looked at much differently however, than it is now.
This is the bottom line, Alex Jones, Peter Joseph, The New Black Panthers Party, the KKK, Pagans, Feminists, etc. are all fighting for the same damn thing. We're all upset with the same issues, but you don't understand the issues so you make up villians in your delusional little heads to blame for everything.
In the end, we're all feeling the same squeeze from the economy, we all feel like we've got it harder then everyone else and like no matter how hard we work, or how good a person we try to be, the world will always be shitty. We all hate how our lives are turning out and there seems to be nothing to do about it except to blame others.
Now, you can sit there and blame your problems on the "Chem Trails," or the "Fema Camps," or the "End of Days," the "White Devil," or the "Zeitgeist," but in the end, you're all doing exactly the same thing. You are all pushing away the greatest allys you could ever hope to have for your cause because you are convinced that their gaols are not ultimately the same as yours.
Peter Joseph came out and told his entire followership exactly what his plans for the future are, in their intirety, and nowhere in his speach did he mention anything similar to One World Order, he describes a future with the first true democrasy where you have the opportunity to vote for changes in your country, not just who the next leader is going to be. In fact, there are no leaders at all. NONE!
Now put your damn Bible back in the SciFi section of your book collection and go live life! 9/11 was not a conspiracy, there is no God, and the world will not end in 12/21/2012. Stop deluding yourselves because it is those very delusions that cause you to blame others when the economy, the government and the system are YOU! There is no man behind the curtian, just a systyem that we've made and now we allow to rule our lives.
No, they found a yellow substance that theorists claim is residue from a thermite reaction and liquefied metals in the rubble. No termite was ever actually found and there are other explanations for the powder and metal that doesn't require you to believe that our own government staged an attack on itself for an excuse to start a profitless war or bring about a false Armageddon.
Why don't you do some god damn research and find out for your self? The facts are that fire continued to burn under the rubble at thousands of degrees for weeks after the collapse and the concrete from the buildings was pulverized into dust during the collapse covering everything in as twelve block radius with powder. Anyone that actually did any research would have known that though.
The thermite theory makes no sense anyway, it's a poor material to cut with, it's sloppy and it was unnecessary.
The weather is going crazy because of our polution, not God. The economy is going to shit because nobody wants to be a cog in the machine, everyone wants to feel special so they screw up their lives and then suckle off the economy. The economy is as made up as all the other religions out there are, and so is yours.
So please, once all you followers of the three Abrahammic religiouns are done blowing up the plannet, smashing eachother to bits and demanding special privilages while you do it; do you think the rest of us could have our plannet back? Jews, Christians and Muslims have killed more people in the past then Hitler could have ever hoped to, and in far more grusome ways, but you all still somehow believe that your religion is peacefull.
Kiethtruth made a new film about this 2 months ago , 3 of the 9 parts were removed because of the people exposed in those parts , his account has been suspended twice since he released the information ,
im religious but my religion is so esoteric that i cant talk about it. arent i cool and super pretentious and new age? the soul is the center of the energy which is oneness. hahahh
Odd how the word "Utopia" is never mentioned in the films and the following statement is on their website.
"The Venus Project is not a Utopian concept. We do not believe in the erroneous notion of an Utopian society. There is no such thing. Societies are always in a state of transition. We propose an alternative direction, which addresses the causes of many of our problems."
But I'm sure this is just a miss-direction and concealment of the truth that distracts me from the real agenda of the NWO.
this zeitgeist stuff is a joke, i as a christian can go out in society and get along with athiests, muslims, or whoever just fine as long as i avoid debating my differences... my fiance is pagan for christ sake. get real.
they want to get rid of religion for some reason. even tho the films ideas are based mainly on the beliefs of a handful of luciferians, and humanists.. not a very big difference. anyways they think if they get rid of religion the world will become a perfect world. thats just what ive gathered from the film, and its followers.
its not like if you take away one thing that causes people to disagree, you will be able to fix all the rest of the problems or differences in the world.
PT 1. First I think you have a huge misunderstanding of the film. The makers don't talk of the world as being perfect or being a utopia. Once you understand that idea you can move forward to understand the reality of what they are actually saying. They don't talk about outlawing religion but rather coming to a clear understanding of humanity and how it should work together rather than have separatist ideas and thought processes.
PT 2. Basically, it's getting rid of "faith-based" ideologies that end up hurting societies rather than helping them. Honestly if you look at it, money is a "faith-based" intuition that society as a whole rarely question it's origins or how it's made. Many except it blindly because they are born into that society and history hasn't shown a different alternative. It will always be a broken system due to the fact of scarcity.
PT 3. Once again, he's not saying it'll be a prefect world but it could be a hell of a lot better than what it is now. As far as it's relationship to luciferian religions I'd like you to show me some evidence of that.
Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Acharia S., Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion.
Get rid of law, religion, responsibilty, and pennance, and see how long the world takes to get out of control, we all have a sinful nature, some have a more evil nature than others, see what happens when you remove all threat of consequence from those type of people. if you want to debate further we should do so by messages, someone brought it too my attention that it is kind of rude to fill a public page with arguments.
Well first off, I'm not arguing with anyone. And I've listen to Alex Jones long enough to know that he likes it when people comments his videos because it brings him more attention to his cause. I'd like to talk to you but I don't want to private message you. These topics could be up for open discussion anyways. The name of this site is YOUtube... guess what? that's me :)~
well, we are disagreeing here, but its not getting out of hand or anything tho.
i think peter joseph means well, i just think its to close to fulfilling prophecies of revelation and the fact he admires madam blavatski bothers me, hitler thought she had really great ideas too.
AJ is talking about how New Age is a religion for the New World Order, its hard to miss that I think. I personally align myself with philosophical Taoism that rejects any sort of external deity/god. People have tried to attach deitties to Taoism in the past
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I wish there were no COUNTRIES, STATES and MONEY. And no one ENSLAVING ANYONE.
The Elite's NWO is different, they will ENSLAVE people. The "New World Order" of the Venus Project is different. Patriotism is irrational and evil. "Countries" are stupid.
But there is NO SOLUTION, the extreme majority of this world (including Alex Jones) is STUPID and EVIL.
No Venus Project, or other solution to remove to Elite from power or whatever will work.
Peter Joseph is competition to Alex Jones pure and simple. He's pissed and jealous about the success of Zeitgeist. Alex sees the end of his career on the horizon and he's fighting it. You can't preach against the atrocities of our society and charge people $29.99 for the sermon and the t-shirt saying you were there. Zeitgeist has touched people in a way Alex Jones has been unable to do. Especially since he's unwilling to admit that Jesus and Santa Claus are of the same concept.
gjpotter: you're an idiot if you think that is what's going on. I knew about the Theosophic religion before Alex Jones did. He is warning you and IT IS REAL. You better research it because he hasn't even touched the base of ALL their plans. He is telling you what was in Zeitgeist Addendum. That is a summary of the tip of the iceberg. If you knew the WHOLE plan you would poop your pants.
Zeitgeist is the opportunist aligning itself to the conspiracy movie scene and then trying to take over and mislead people.
Take your Jesus = Santa "jokes" over to the Richard Dawkins website, nobody cares about your atheist hatred and why it's so important for Zeitshite atheist fanatics to blunder on in here and start rambling about how evil religion is. You're in the wrong place, arsewipe.
athiest hatred lol... who's ignorant. you are ignorant athiest have nothing to do with hating god they simply do not think he exists has nothing to do with good bad hate. you are ignorant because you dont even know what an athiest is. and if we wanna talk zeitgeist i can tell you havent even seen the info your just a blind rabbit letting somone else do your thinking. good luck buddy ur gonna need it.
Religion in some ways is a good thing. However, what can better life being a Christian, Muslin, Jew, etc? What is good about when being part of a Religion? What actually makes life better? Does the thought of Jesus being real make life meaningful to you?
All Religions -Which one is correct? I suppose in most cases that depends on where your born. I am guessing that your are from a Country where Christianity is the primary religion. Would your behavior be the same if born elsewhere?
Zeitgeist is not what u think it is. There are 2 films and they are to be treated separately imo. Im sure theres people within The Zeitgeist Movement who does not agree with everything presented in the first film Why are u so defensive?
TZM (and Venus Project) is awesome. I do recommend learning the content from the website as oppose to reading views by people with the anti-NWO tag next to them. Times are changing, and INTELLIGENCE will prevail. Listen to the Radio addr on blogtalkradio
I knew what Zeitgeist was since it first appeared, back when most people thought it was just another "conspiracy" movie, and it has become more obviously subversive since then.
You're right, intelligence HAS prevailed and the anti-NWO community has finally woken up to what Zeitgeist really is.
The Zeitgeist Movement (jn a nutshell) is about getting to the root problems and devising a solution that is for nature, using the Scientific method. This solution being far better that what we have today. That I don't think you can disagree with.
I would be very interested in your response as to why you are so against the Movement. What do you have against it? I don't just want to hear "because it just is" type of answer.
unlike other religions... christianity IS falsifiable and has a method for determining it's veracity... EXAMINE BIBLICAL PROPHECIES... examine prophecies of that past that were fulfilled (or not) and those that are yet to be fulfilled (or not) and determine if present-day developments align with POSSIBLE prophecy fulfillment
(example... THE MARK OF THE BEAST and the RFID CHIP... and the NEW WORLD ORDER)
Well, a lot of religions (not just Christianity) is falsifiable. Of course, this is an oversimplification of a rather large subject. LOL.
Yes, I do agree with you. I was reading some article a number of months back on Swine Flu and RFID which was rather interesting ( bits were questionable) -- but the conclusion ended up being crap over the "Mark of the Beast".
You have to laugh at such things, but it is scary that people ACTUALLY view it from this perspective. Well, it is actually scary.
I stated that because I hear so many atheists talk about how Christianity cannot be falsified like Science can and is therefore wrong... which is untrue.
I hate to say it but Peter Josef is either temporarily fooled or is one them.
I don't want to be reeducated by no one. I always hated others telling me what to do and still do. I imagine this reeducating thing involves some form of spanking if you don't reeducate fast enough. "Reeducate, damnit! You're a traitor! You're five terraflops behind your reeducation quota. The high priest won't like this."
Alex! I'm sorry to say but you just lied saying you never brought up religion! That was the biggest problem you had with Peter! You even went on a huge rant screamming aT HIM ABOUT YOUR BELIEF IN CHRISTIANITY! You said it because he was trying to make the point that religion is the biggest divider of man kind!
The original concepts of a 'New World Order' for the modern 20th-21st Centuries comes from my religion--the Baha'i Faith--in the 19th Century. The Czars Alexander I & II had direct dialogue with Baha'u'llah & learned of His 'New World Order', but failed to establish it justly. Instead the European superpowers & their leaders took credit for the ideal & continued the work of the false NWO. The ideal of a universal language, measurements, etc., all came from the Baha'i Faith in the 1800's.
Alex Jones is the emotional equivalent of Bill O'Reilly. Pathetic really. Too bad, as he does help to raise awareness on important issues but his character flaw is that he is resistant to listening and learning.
Dont forget - after much bloodshed when the NEW world order actually starts initially people will be cheering it in. It will be "the next step in our spiritual evolution" ppl will love the fact that its done away with the old establishment and embrace it then quickly find out what true slavery is like. But believe Zeitgeist if you want....
just cause they say theyre against it doesnt mean that what they then go on to say isnt the actual beliefs and ideals of the nwo. Zeitgeist claims to be "anti establishment" but in truth it actually peddles what sick nwo freaks like Pike, Bailey and Blavatsky etc say ppl Will believe in the NWO. Dont believe Zeitgeist ppl, look a little further into it n see its propaganda masquerading as anti-establishment for "truthseekers".
It's going too far now. There was such misunderstanding on Alex's end both in misinterpreting the intentions of Zeitgeist, the views of Peter Joseph and the issues Peter was trying to address. Alex needs to talk to Peter and listen this time because he has the wrong impressions about this and him all together and I'm sure that if you two just "talked" you would find that you are fighting for the same things. Nitpicking this film is counterproductive to the ultimate goals we all have.
What a well written and thought out argument, Water-head. Obviously I know far less than the likes of you and your perfectly logical nonsense.
Never mind the fact that I just wrote five papers in sociology on Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist Addendum in the last three months alone, you are clearly right about how wrong and idiotic I am. Now please leave the intelligent discourse to the big boy and go back to your licking the windows in the short bus.
To be fair, I'll have to amend my comment by saying that Fresco actually did not say this in 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' - He said it in his own documentary, 'Future By Design'. The bit about going back to centralization, I mean. Still, Z:A never does claim it's not a centralized system.
When was Zeitgeist ever against _spirituality_, Alex?
Addendum says religion is "useful" when it moves into philosopy. I.e., we need to establish good common ground within philosophy, and redirect any "religious fervor" to the practice of it.
Also, you and some other Christians are already saying your religion is better than certain religions - Why isn't Norse mythology good enough for you, Alex?
He doesnt say they said that... in fact how did you get that impression... ? He just denounces the views they do put because its pure nwo propaganda and he's very correct...
seriously... what is with all you ppl that bum zeitgeist so hard yet call other ppl sheep. youve come along seen a couple of movies and think "yeah damn establishment! ive got you figured out!" yet really zeitgeist is just a tool to teach ppl who think theyre free-thinking and alternative.
guys you are all so wrong there is no such thing as satan or god...what ?? - if you die and you are not a "sinner" there is a golden meadow waiting for you in the sky or what ? hahaha "satan spred dinosaur bones around.." hahaha stupid kids!
Alex has got it right. I've read writings by Alice Bailey, Madame's Blavatsky, Barbara Marx Hubbard, Albert Pike and the crap on their Luciferian website. Zeitgeist is United Nations NWO LIES. My guess is He's not misrepresenting anything. Who IS Peter Josepth? I tried to look up the bio on Peter Joseph & I spent two hours trying to find out info on this creep. There's very little. He's a "mystery man." Something smells fishy in Denmark. It smells like Zionism. RESEARCH.
its nothing like that!, NWO is the result of the persuit of power and money, how could zeitgeist be NWO when they propose to get rid of the monetary system!
Becauze they know that there will be revolution! Bolshevicks revolution was also controlled by the New World Order agenda! Zeitgeist is doing similar thing.
He is an obvious crock as he does not CARE to bother to give the REVERSE explanation of Horus:
WHILE horus "predates" Jesus as far as being first worshipped, pagan beliefs are prone to evolve over time.
There is EVIDENCE, that some Egyptian coptic christians ADDED JESUS CHARACTERISTICS TO HORUS. NOT the other way around. Egyptian religious beliefs continued to evolve and change, incorporating Christian elements due to the christian communities there until Islam arrived in the 700's AD.
That probably not true, there is some historian that was around in 100 AD that said I know other religions gods have similar characteristics to Jesus. But those other gods were created by Satan to fool you, Just like the dinosaur bones
Did you just realize what you just typed, lol. Are you fucking nuts? Satan planted dinosaur bones and counterfeited in advance as many as 18 pagan messiahs just like Jesus to make his existence debatable? And you think you have the right to call a man an idiot who backs his documentary up with facts, well sir you finally get the ultimate award for total delusionary babble.
Dude that is what I am saying it is not likely that satan did all this stuff.
Satan has also fooled us into thinking the earth is not the center of the universe. Satan also created stallagtites in caves to make us doubt the true age of the earth. In addition satan changed the half life of carbon 13 to fool us into thinking the earth is old.
Rasonoaks, I'm having a hard time believing that you actually believe what you say. The Vatican uses part of your excuse to justify the existence of Jesus despite the mountain of evidence claiming the contrary. But even they don't take it this far. I recommend seeking professional help because I do think that you are suffering from a mental illness. Please don't take this the wrong way because it happens to the best of us. Please seek some psychiatric help before something bad happens.
You are having a hard time believing that I believe what I say because I DO NOT.
I guess now that I read my post I understand why you wrote what you wrote. You see to me it is soooooooo preposterous that Satan was responsible for those things that I thought it was obvious, unfortunatly sarcasm doesn't come across well over the internet.
So just for the record I do not believe Satan caused those things nature did.
I'm sorry but I really resent Alex calling any fans of Zeitgeist 'fools' Alex Jones needs to accept that there are more people trying to bring about change in the world than him. Even if Zeitgeist is not the answer, its sickening to hear him being so negative towards people who are obviously just trying to inform people. Let us have our own opinions Alex, and not be called luciferians for doing so.
Zeitgeist does have its errors. but when it comes to religion in its basic fountain it is correct. Through it may not be that there all connected to the son. the basic fact is that there is no god and science continually wins. rational thought will always win. so i would have liked Alex to be critical of region. religion supports what Alex hates. one world order.
Out of everything in which they claim is corrupt the only certiancy is 'that there is no god?'
It seems in the new biased culture that dispite countless relgious people accepting atheisim, and the agnostic. It's thouse opposed to whom can't help but 'honk' their views.
Science in that of itself is flawed, for we are only able to precieve as far as science permits, which in-that of itself is based upon our own perception. Orginal speakers suggesting the earth was round, were laughed at
In these terms sadly most need to be proved without a shadow of a doubt before they are willing to accept anything, but then again its a lot eaiser to speak against relgion then it is to defend it. For any to whom would actively stand up against it just recieve biased critisim, instead of acceptance that there will always be opposing views, as there are always two sides to a coin. I agree that ZeitGeist Addendum may not be fully right about everything, but least their methods are pro enviromen
Please can someone tell me the name of the song played in the background of this clip in the last ten seconds? I would appreciate it, i have been trying to find out the name of this song for a long time! lol
DOROTHY MURDOCK, the non-scholar who wrote The Cripes Conspiracy and The Buns of God, has been proven conclusively to be full of crap. Watch ZEITGEIST CHALLENGE EXPOSES ACHARYA S 1-3, ZEIGEIST EXPOSED 1-8, THE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS 1-4, ZEITGEIST REBUTTTAL parts 1-3. ZEITGEIST REFUTED 1-10.
"Despite the false claims, ZEITGEIST has not been refuted. My book Christ in Egypt will demonstrate through primary and highly credentialed sources that all of the Horus-Jesus connections in ZEITGEIST are factual." -D.M. Murdock
D.M. Murdock is a scholar classically educated in archaeology, history, mythology and languages. She specializes in religion and mythology, critiquing and comparing them, and providing unique insights into their origins.
Zeitgeists motive is to get people to question athority, not put you under it. They are twisting it around to make it look like a bad thing. Probibly because there wont be money to feed their EGO's. There won't be any elite or Gods or bankers or governments because people will do whats best for race. MIT has taken the first step by offering classes, lecture, assignments, notes and tests online for free.
According to William Cooper, Alex is a new world order agent. Look up William Cooper and Alex jones on youtube. We should expose Alex Jones. We don't need a leader in the movement. Anytime there is a leader it increases the chances of infiltration, which I think has happened via Alex.
lol,work,money,and laws are not bad,the abuse of those things are bad......they don't even address the issue that there will ALWAYS be a law amongst any group of people,just think about the laws in place to stop sexual child abuse,utopia can't replace a molesters need to do that,or something as simple as stealing for the fun of it.Also,if work is bad then how are you going to build and maintain the utopia to begin with? Project Venus would have an intelligent elite too,based on I.Q.
maybe the zeitgeist followers you know want power and are trying to take advantage of it, but i am not, nor any of the ones i know. i just wont my own freedom. it seems to me people get mad when i dont do something they like. thats what i want. is individual freedom to learn what i want to, and when everyone starts learning what they want you dont have to make them do it. they will do it on their own, and everyone piching in will make a healthier society.
DOROTHY MURDOCK, the non-scholar who wrote The Christ Conspiracy and Suns of God, has been proven conclusively to be either full of nonsense or lying or both. View ZEITGEIST CHALLENGE EXPOSES ACHARYA S 1-3, ZEIGEIST EXPOSED 1-8, THE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS 1-4, ZEITGEIST REBUTTTAL parts 1-3. ZEITGEIST REFUTED 1-10.
My perspective: Zeitgeist Addendum is a distorted view for our true future, the illuminati has allowed our consiousness to progress in the past because it fitted their agenda at that time. Now they're trying to turn spiritual progress into some kind of surrogate. Not every person on this planet is ready to progress to the "next level", forcing them is only something the NWO would do, from a higher perspective that would be barbaric.
I'm sorry but when Alex Jones starts talking about zeitgeist being part of a NWO type religion and occult stuff he is way out of line.
He talks of how Peter Joseph spoke of reeducation but that was taken out of context when Peter Joseph said if someone was frozen today then woke up hundreds of years in the future, we would need to be re-educated. How could someone disagree with that?
People have called out Alex Jones before for his messed up religious/spiritual views distorting his perception
You guys are making grand assumtions from wikipedia pages. Jiddu Krishnamurti is not the NWO christ by any means. He was the head of a theosophical organization called the Order of the Star of the East where he was named the world teacher. BEFORE he went around the world talking he dissolved this organization & separated himself from the theosophical organization. Read his speech "Truth is a Pathless Land" dissolving the organization.
Come to think of it, PJ prefaced the interview with, "I want to have a discussion, not a debate." He's clearly aware of Alex's passion and his tendencies to get heated. Not that it's a correct posture, but I really feel that PJ knew that he would come across as the innocent, smooth talking gentleman and Alex would come off as rude and overzealous. Someone as intelligent as PJ obviously is, would likely take full advantage of such a situation.
i agree. who wouldnt. thats awesome of pj to do. he is smarter. i would definately like someone leading me that was calm and scientifically acurate. They know how to get the job done. on a side note, if god is real then i bet he is ashamed that his people (christians) are some of the stupidest ignorant people on the planet. ~thats just my opinion though
Aside from your prejudice banter, there is nothing scientifically accurate about a series of postulates that have no precedent in the human or animal kingdoms. A nice idea is just that - a nice idea. I like to dream as much as the next guy...
When biological technology becomes further advanced, human beings as we know them, will become a modified species. If we as human beings fail to include the possibility of this development in our overall, social evolution we will witness the decline of our species -
"JACQUE FRESCO"
The Best that Money Cant buy, Beyond Politics, Poverty, & War.
The School of Jezowit has built colleges all over this land. You may have noticed all of the government programs we have today (such as anger management just to name one) these office jobs are not availble to you or I simply because we are not graduates from the school of Jezowit. A pecking order has been established in this country and it is an elite from of Catholisis that studies the theology that will eventually lead to the great Satan.
So basically what they did was destroy/de-mistify current religions in the first one and made up their own in the second.
Personally i believe there's a creator but i don't buy in any religion. And whether there is a god or not should not affect how we act or live our lives. We should always aspire to be better not for some cosmic entity we've never even seen before but for ourselves.
We're only using about 10% of our capacity, we still have a long way to go...
Warning! Zeitgeist is Illuminati/NWO propaganda. 100%.
Axxess7777 7 months ago
The right to be heard doesn't give you the right to be taken seriously Alex :) You seem to attack everything that doesnt fit in with your narrow minded, simplistic, uneducated views. You attack and say all these things without backing it up with evidence, to put it simply what your talking about would never stand up in court, its called Burden of Proof, which - to me - you never have.
CrisonMusic 9 months ago
Communism isn't corrupt and evil as most Americans have been brainwashed into thinking. It's relative to how it's being used and who is using it that makes it good or evil. The ideology of communism is actually a very positive ideal much like democracy is so long as dictatorship and tyranny remain detached from these ideals. If you think democracy isn't being dictated then you're a fool. Money dictates democracy and the people who control the money are the dictators of this country.
TheInsider252 10 months ago
"the fed is never able to create enough money to pay for the interest" Griffin thinks this is a myth. Is it a myth or is it true? Wouldn't it be just a simple question of mathematics?
unfortunatebeam 10 months ago
This is the UN agenda. This guy is working for them. Bill Clinton was at Zeitgeist meeting in 1997. I am not even christian but can see through this charade...
12318dan 11 months ago
And Alex doesn't logically understand Zeitgeist ideas. He distorts (don't know if this is written like this) what they say, unfortunately. And with this war he makes against the NWO, he is perpetrating the problems. These elite he talks about, they can't survive without us, money is not good for eating, nor powering their TVs or works like oil for cars. Actually, they are in our hands, we just have to realize that =P.
JOBERALA 1 year ago
If we want a world with peace, we have to be united. No way around that. Only if we are all robots. Or dead. but that would be a peace we wouldn't be here to see =P.
I don't know if Zeitgeist is NWO. Nor I know it isn't. But from what I saw inside Zeitgeist, if Peter Joseph or Jacke Fresco were NWO members, no one would follow their ideas. Zeitgeist members, the ones I know (not few =P) are great critical thinkers, no one reads stuff and believes in the moment, they studdy other stuff too.
JOBERALA 1 year ago
Yall might think I'm crazy but I think that Alex is right on this one, because If you really dissect what Jacque Fresco is really talking about.He really stole most of the information from Native American culture and spiritual beliefs, then he twisted it to push his agenda and that is to give birth to artificial intelligence and technological centralized power. And the power will lie into the hands of a group of architectural program writers that will create in Hollywood terminology the matrix
NYMGlobalCom 1 year ago
@NYMGlobalCom
I also think that Alex is right. I found this Zeitgeist phenomenon interesting yet quite one-sided when they talk about human nature: they put a lot of emphasis on the social environment, and they tend to neglect the natural biological instincts of people. I looked into ZG3 (came out 2011 January) and in its beginning (well mannered) professors speak about this issue...
donzutti 11 months ago
@donzutti ...but in my opinion those experts start to go down on a very dangerous path when they want to question basic human motivations and to make those instincts look changeable. I believe it is very close to reshaping people's mind by indoctrination and it is SCARY!
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY!: The Zeitgeist crew is quite smart but there are obvious flaws in their major reasoning (e.g. human behaviour, the Venus Project) so critics aiming these flaws have to be sharp and right on the point!
donzutti 11 months ago
@donzutti well ever think what has shaped and indoctrinated your mind to believe that those things that are supposedly basic human motivations aren't changeable? How do you know they aren't changable?
unfortunatebeam 10 months ago
@unfortunatebeam First: I'm not indoctrinated by anyone, I'm just critical and sane.
Second: if you look around in different historical times and cultures people had the s
ame instincts of survival, reproduction, competitiveness, curiosity etc.. just look at animals the more intelligent they have evolved the more complex their social interactions are!
Yes humans have the most advanced brain but you can find the above mentioned instinctive routs even in the most complex social activities!
donzutti 10 months ago
@donzutti Furthermore: I agree that people should be less materialistic, more educated on the environment and social issues BUT I don't wanna buy into radical ideas.
We had planty of such radical ideas in the past hundred years and people rejected them for a good reason: they were inhuman.
Today economical and political powers are somewhat hidden, imagine how secretive the powers can be in a scientificly planned society where even fewer people can point out the flaws in a scientific solution!
donzutti 10 months ago
@donzutti And to advise a practical solution for the problems of today's society: People should educate themselves become politically active to defeat corruption and misplaced powers. There are no shortcuts or utopias.
Once and for all everybody must GROW UP and realise that the POWER and the RESPONSIBILITY within are either in the hand of the common man OR in someone (or something) else's hand but in the latter case everybody else can't help but hope that they won't be screwed!
Peace!
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I also think that Alex is right. I found this Zeitgeist phenomenon interesting yet quite one-sided when they talk about human nature: they put a lot of emphasis on the social environment, and they tend to neglect the natural biological instincts of people. I looked into ZG3 (came out 2011 January) and in its beginning (well mannered) professors speak about this issue...
donzutti 11 months ago
Better shut up and make the impression you're an idiot rather then say something and prove you are one. Good job, Alex, you proved it! You're an idiot. Try to document yourself about the idea of the Venus project and, and only if you'll understand it, speak about it.
fdanielf25 1 year ago
Alex, (and his fans/non-fans), if you're all reading this, there's very little to add to this video and 'debate'. The conclusion is very simple: Alex is not a bad person, he just is not as intelligent as Peter. It's this simple. Greater intelligence allows you to see through a greater amount of information as well as the many interrelationships of the content inherrent to all information systems. Peter simply has a higher capacity for this, by virtue of his greater intelligence. And that's that.
Sidionian 1 year ago
@Sidionian Hi I'm not a fan of AJ, but he's doing a great job covering a lot of withold info. I have seen a lot of his videos and I can assure you that he knows a lot about social issues (especially history).
By the way I'm a student of law from Hungary, not some fluoride-head cult follower.
Yes, Alex loses his temper quite often, its his shortcoming and he should alter this not to frighten dissenting callers away but anyway we should tolerate him and each other's mistakes as well....
donzutti 10 months ago
@donzutti On the other hand Peter Joseph comes up with his ZG based on half-truths (confusing religion in itself with oppressive corrupt religious institutions) and blatant lies (we live in a free market, US destined to fascism). He uses slick packaging and calm tone to sound superior.
No surprise why Alex is excited and angry here: he understands full well (so do I) how delusional and dangerous ZG is.
There is a difference between appearing to be intelligent and actually being that...
donzutti 10 months ago 2
these guys are obviously idiots!
EnemyOfTheNations 1 year ago
I guess I'm the only person who agrees with Alex Jones on this.
esauy 1 year ago
@esauy -- I agree with him too. See my post below from 4 months ago.
CJKaram 1 year ago
Is funny (and scary) how so many are turning against The Lord and His Word...which is prophecy to be fulfilled. The Bible predicted "vain philosphies" by men (Zeigeist being an example) that would lead the people away from God. So when I see so many people claiming "Christianity is untrue", "there is no God", "all religions are the same" I know that it is a sign of The Lord Jesus returning! Amen.
Venustarr 1 year ago
@Venustarr if i told you lies then claimed that you would figure out that im lying and never believe me again may mean that my prophecy is correct but it doesnt mean my lies are not lies the bible when referenced to physical evidence is not exactly a lie but it is extremely distorted i wont tell u there is not a creator (of man not the universe) persey but i will tell u there is no god in the sense the bible claims is litteral
cdouglas105530 1 year ago
@Venustarr You're an idiot. God/Jesus had 2 thousand years to solve the world's problems. He failed. It's our time now. Fuck off, please. You're irrelevant. Or better yet, go fly to Ethiopia and live in this shitty huts over there with your "Lord". See how long you'll last. Fucking troll.
Sidionian 1 year ago
@Venustarr the apostacy is happening, just as the bible predicted, it's sad really...
00John316 1 year ago
there was an experiment. an old experiment, on deer, on scottish deer .....or canadian deer i forget but anyway; their was an experiment on deer lovely bambilookin... they penned these deer up and fed, and watered them to their hearts content while letting them breed... and breed...the long and short of it 95% died through some kidney disease. NATURE leaving only enough lucky fuckers alive who just so happened to pass on the genetic immunity) to their offspring
jrjupton 1 year ago
Peter Joseph gets his information about "religion" from a fraud named D.M. Murdoch who goes by the pseudonym "Acharya S."
CJKaram 1 year ago
Yes, its true..the religion what zeitgeist is telling you about it the same religion what the people on top believe...but all Peter is saying is ALL of it is bullshit...That the ancient saw the sun as there life and savior and that horos is just the personification o the sun....Zeitgeist movement has nothing to do with religion at all. Its all about science and technology...
stevez732 1 year ago
Poor Alex, he's loosing grip.
inabear3 1 year ago 5
@inabear3 PROVE IT
mayvee001 1 year ago
@mayvee001 watching the interview he did with peter joseph. let me know what you think.
inabear3 1 year ago
@inabear3 poor you, your a judgemental bitch in my judgement.
wh306 9 months ago
alex your time has passed,your xtian based philosophy is finished,its not 1950 anymore
Leonunitas 1 year ago
continuation of an alex Fail...sad
tore1914 1 year ago
Alex has no idea what he is talking about, he keeps referring to Jiddu Krishnamurti as the christ of the UN. He hasn't done any research whatsoever!. Krishnamurti rejected the Theosophic society and walked away from them. He spoke consistently on the need for such structures as the UN as wrong also doing this to there face at a UN conference. He has no affiliation with religion whatsoever because it is divisive. Alex is wrong about Zeitgeist and Krishnamurti and shouts when he should listen.
Shakadaotsu 2 years ago 7
alex jones you've never done any research a day in you life
bradweirca 2 years ago 2
You are a liar and an ignorant idiot.
Commenter227 2 years ago
john perkins
bradweirca 2 years ago
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Ignorance, lack of knowledge has been made clearly evident of hundred thousands of people`s comments on the internet about the Zeitgeist movies. People with subject knowledge do reason out more sensibly then those who have absolutely not even an idea on the subject matter. These are the very people who follow blindly with itching ears the deception presented by the Zeitgeist movies.
Watch out for my book: Does Zeitgeist-Movement Or Barack Obama Have The Answer To World Peace?
papimerki 2 years ago
what was that guys name, i cant google his name, the guy in the begging of zietgiest talking about spirit?
kc243243 2 years ago
@6:05
"This is total new world order religion"
LOL!
wrestler50000 2 years ago
midly criticsised?okay thats the understatment of the Century.Also Joseph never even mention half the crap coming from AJ's mouth
MrTvoreo 2 years ago
Does Peter Joseph offer a New World Order or a different understanding of our role in the universe?
Does the potential for any range of behavior from Hitler to Gandhi exist in every human?
Alex Jones doesn't understand the difference between perspective vs. belief.
Perspective vs. Belief
SHLsmasher 2 years ago
Jones is right about two things: zeitgeist zealots are like cult members and they always bring up religion/Christianity even when it's not been mentioned.
Commenter227 2 years ago 3
That is not correct from my perspective. It is more the other way around. Whenever I am talking about the Zeitgeist Movement itself, people randomly bring up Religion as standard questions. It seems the Religion part (from the first film) really gets to some people, and keep bringing it up over and over again.
"Horus is nothing like Jesus", "Jesus was not born on Dec, 25th", "Krishna wasn't a Virgin Son", -- and other usual comments.
wrestler50000 2 years ago 2
You are a liar. I expect nothing else from a Zeitgeist zealot.
Commenter227 2 years ago
Please explain why I am a liar.
Please explain why I am a Zeitgeist zealot.
Will look forward to having a conversation with you within this video section.
wrestler50000 2 years ago 3
The American Economy is going to crash.
I feel sorry for the US, and the world.
To bad that religion is the think we talk about... When we need to talk about how to fix it.
What is world order? How do "they" controll the world? MONY and creditt!
robert1984nor 2 years ago
This is complete paranoia. Jaques Frecso (Peter Joseph's inspiration) is 92 years old and has no interest in taking away your precious bible. In a world free of competition, religion would be looked at much differently however, than it is now.
infernalhammer 2 years ago 2
The following is in response to Boozle's inquiry.
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
I'm going to lay it out for you, though I'm sure some idiot without any facts will have something to say though...
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
This is the bottom line, Alex Jones, Peter Joseph, The New Black Panthers Party, the KKK, Pagans, Feminists, etc. are all fighting for the same damn thing. We're all upset with the same issues, but you don't understand the issues so you make up villians in your delusional little heads to blame for everything.
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
In the end, we're all feeling the same squeeze from the economy, we all feel like we've got it harder then everyone else and like no matter how hard we work, or how good a person we try to be, the world will always be shitty. We all hate how our lives are turning out and there seems to be nothing to do about it except to blame others.
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
Now, you can sit there and blame your problems on the "Chem Trails," or the "Fema Camps," or the "End of Days," the "White Devil," or the "Zeitgeist," but in the end, you're all doing exactly the same thing. You are all pushing away the greatest allys you could ever hope to have for your cause because you are convinced that their gaols are not ultimately the same as yours.
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
Peter Joseph came out and told his entire followership exactly what his plans for the future are, in their intirety, and nowhere in his speach did he mention anything similar to One World Order, he describes a future with the first true democrasy where you have the opportunity to vote for changes in your country, not just who the next leader is going to be. In fact, there are no leaders at all. NONE!
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
Now put your damn Bible back in the SciFi section of your book collection and go live life! 9/11 was not a conspiracy, there is no God, and the world will not end in 12/21/2012. Stop deluding yourselves because it is those very delusions that cause you to blame others when the economy, the government and the system are YOU! There is no man behind the curtian, just a systyem that we've made and now we allow to rule our lives.
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
actually it was a conspiracy. they found thermite in the dust.
HayteStreet 2 years ago
No, they found a yellow substance that theorists claim is residue from a thermite reaction and liquefied metals in the rubble. No termite was ever actually found and there are other explanations for the powder and metal that doesn't require you to believe that our own government staged an attack on itself for an excuse to start a profitless war or bring about a false Armageddon.
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
fine, give me an explanation then.
HayteStreet 2 years ago
Why don't you do some god damn research and find out for your self? The facts are that fire continued to burn under the rubble at thousands of degrees for weeks after the collapse and the concrete from the buildings was pulverized into dust during the collapse covering everything in as twelve block radius with powder. Anyone that actually did any research would have known that though.
The thermite theory makes no sense anyway, it's a poor material to cut with, it's sloppy and it was unnecessary.
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
yup russiatv has the video clip up if you wanna find it on here too.
shenmueryu 2 years ago
The weather is going crazy because of our polution, not God. The economy is going to shit because nobody wants to be a cog in the machine, everyone wants to feel special so they screw up their lives and then suckle off the economy. The economy is as made up as all the other religions out there are, and so is yours.
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
So please, once all you followers of the three Abrahammic religiouns are done blowing up the plannet, smashing eachother to bits and demanding special privilages while you do it; do you think the rest of us could have our plannet back? Jews, Christians and Muslims have killed more people in the past then Hitler could have ever hoped to, and in far more grusome ways, but you all still somehow believe that your religion is peacefull.
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
Kiethtruth made a new film about this 2 months ago , 3 of the 9 parts were removed because of the people exposed in those parts , his account has been suspended twice since he released the information ,
KungFatty 2 years ago
im religious but my religion is so esoteric that i cant talk about it. arent i cool and super pretentious and new age? the soul is the center of the energy which is oneness. hahahh
taylorsickler123 2 years ago
Odd how the word "Utopia" is never mentioned in the films and the following statement is on their website.
"The Venus Project is not a Utopian concept. We do not believe in the erroneous notion of an Utopian society. There is no such thing. Societies are always in a state of transition. We propose an alternative direction, which addresses the causes of many of our problems."
But I'm sure this is just a miss-direction and concealment of the truth that distracts me from the real agenda of the NWO.
CyberDraco 2 years ago
this zeitgeist stuff is a joke, i as a christian can go out in society and get along with athiests, muslims, or whoever just fine as long as i avoid debating my differences... my fiance is pagan for christ sake. get real.
displaced36 2 years ago
what's your point?
inabear3 2 years ago
they want to get rid of religion for some reason. even tho the films ideas are based mainly on the beliefs of a handful of luciferians, and humanists.. not a very big difference. anyways they think if they get rid of religion the world will become a perfect world. thats just what ive gathered from the film, and its followers.
its not like if you take away one thing that causes people to disagree, you will be able to fix all the rest of the problems or differences in the world.
displaced36 2 years ago
PT 1. First I think you have a huge misunderstanding of the film. The makers don't talk of the world as being perfect or being a utopia. Once you understand that idea you can move forward to understand the reality of what they are actually saying. They don't talk about outlawing religion but rather coming to a clear understanding of humanity and how it should work together rather than have separatist ideas and thought processes.
inabear3 2 years ago
PT 2. Basically, it's getting rid of "faith-based" ideologies that end up hurting societies rather than helping them. Honestly if you look at it, money is a "faith-based" intuition that society as a whole rarely question it's origins or how it's made. Many except it blindly because they are born into that society and history hasn't shown a different alternative. It will always be a broken system due to the fact of scarcity.
inabear3 2 years ago
PT 3. Once again, he's not saying it'll be a prefect world but it could be a hell of a lot better than what it is now. As far as it's relationship to luciferian religions I'd like you to show me some evidence of that.
inabear3 2 years ago
Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Acharia S., Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion.
Get rid of law, religion, responsibilty, and pennance, and see how long the world takes to get out of control, we all have a sinful nature, some have a more evil nature than others, see what happens when you remove all threat of consequence from those type of people. if you want to debate further we should do so by messages, someone brought it too my attention that it is kind of rude to fill a public page with arguments.
displaced36 2 years ago
Well first off, I'm not arguing with anyone. And I've listen to Alex Jones long enough to know that he likes it when people comments his videos because it brings him more attention to his cause. I'd like to talk to you but I don't want to private message you. These topics could be up for open discussion anyways. The name of this site is YOUtube... guess what? that's me :)~
inabear3 2 years ago
well, we are disagreeing here, but its not getting out of hand or anything tho.
i think peter joseph means well, i just think its to close to fulfilling prophecies of revelation and the fact he admires madam blavatski bothers me, hitler thought she had really great ideas too.
displaced36 2 years ago
AJ is talking about how New Age is a religion for the New World Order, its hard to miss that I think. I personally align myself with philosophical Taoism that rejects any sort of external deity/god. People have tried to attach deitties to Taoism in the past
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EnveBeats 2 years ago
I wish there were no COUNTRIES, STATES and MONEY. And no one ENSLAVING ANYONE.
The Elite's NWO is different, they will ENSLAVE people. The "New World Order" of the Venus Project is different. Patriotism is irrational and evil. "Countries" are stupid.
But there is NO SOLUTION, the extreme majority of this world (including Alex Jones) is STUPID and EVIL.
No Venus Project, or other solution to remove to Elite from power or whatever will work.
PEOPLE SUCK
mrjag 2 years ago
nodoubt257 is a jesus ass fucker. Take your book of fables and shove it up your ass, loser.
ireallylikepants 2 years ago
Peter Joseph is competition to Alex Jones pure and simple. He's pissed and jealous about the success of Zeitgeist. Alex sees the end of his career on the horizon and he's fighting it. You can't preach against the atrocities of our society and charge people $29.99 for the sermon and the t-shirt saying you were there. Zeitgeist has touched people in a way Alex Jones has been unable to do. Especially since he's unwilling to admit that Jesus and Santa Claus are of the same concept.
gjpotter 2 years ago
gjpotter: you're an idiot if you think that is what's going on. I knew about the Theosophic religion before Alex Jones did. He is warning you and IT IS REAL. You better research it because he hasn't even touched the base of ALL their plans. He is telling you what was in Zeitgeist Addendum. That is a summary of the tip of the iceberg. If you knew the WHOLE plan you would poop your pants.
nodoubt257 2 years ago
what's the whole plan? i want to poop. tell me.
inabear3 2 years ago
Zeitgeist is the opportunist aligning itself to the conspiracy movie scene and then trying to take over and mislead people.
Take your Jesus = Santa "jokes" over to the Richard Dawkins website, nobody cares about your atheist hatred and why it's so important for Zeitshite atheist fanatics to blunder on in here and start rambling about how evil religion is. You're in the wrong place, arsewipe.
Commenter227 2 years ago
athiest hatred lol... who's ignorant. you are ignorant athiest have nothing to do with hating god they simply do not think he exists has nothing to do with good bad hate. you are ignorant because you dont even know what an athiest is. and if we wanna talk zeitgeist i can tell you havent even seen the info your just a blind rabbit letting somone else do your thinking. good luck buddy ur gonna need it.
bradweirca 2 years ago
Part 1
Religion in some ways is a good thing. However, what can better life being a Christian, Muslin, Jew, etc? What is good about when being part of a Religion? What actually makes life better? Does the thought of Jesus being real make life meaningful to you?
All Religions -Which one is correct? I suppose in most cases that depends on where your born. I am guessing that your are from a Country where Christianity is the primary religion. Would your behavior be the same if born elsewhere?
wrestler50000 2 years ago 2
Part 2
Zeitgeist is not what u think it is. There are 2 films and they are to be treated separately imo. Im sure theres people within The Zeitgeist Movement who does not agree with everything presented in the first film Why are u so defensive?
TZM (and Venus Project) is awesome. I do recommend learning the content from the website as oppose to reading views by people with the anti-NWO tag next to them. Times are changing, and INTELLIGENCE will prevail. Listen to the Radio addr on blogtalkradio
wrestler50000 2 years ago 3
I knew what Zeitgeist was since it first appeared, back when most people thought it was just another "conspiracy" movie, and it has become more obviously subversive since then.
You're right, intelligence HAS prevailed and the anti-NWO community has finally woken up to what Zeitgeist really is.
Commenter227 2 years ago
The Zeitgeist Movement (jn a nutshell) is about getting to the root problems and devising a solution that is for nature, using the Scientific method. This solution being far better that what we have today. That I don't think you can disagree with.
I would be very interested in your response as to why you are so against the Movement. What do you have against it? I don't just want to hear "because it just is" type of answer.
wrestler50000 2 years ago
@wrestler50000
unlike other religions... christianity IS falsifiable and has a method for determining it's veracity... EXAMINE BIBLICAL PROPHECIES... examine prophecies of that past that were fulfilled (or not) and those that are yet to be fulfilled (or not) and determine if present-day developments align with POSSIBLE prophecy fulfillment
(example... THE MARK OF THE BEAST and the RFID CHIP... and the NEW WORLD ORDER)
marcdaddy33 2 years ago
Well, a lot of religions (not just Christianity) is falsifiable. Of course, this is an oversimplification of a rather large subject. LOL.
Yes, I do agree with you. I was reading some article a number of months back on Swine Flu and RFID which was rather interesting ( bits were questionable) -- but the conclusion ended up being crap over the "Mark of the Beast".
You have to laugh at such things, but it is scary that people ACTUALLY view it from this perspective. Well, it is actually scary.
wrestler50000 2 years ago
I stated that because I hear so many atheists talk about how Christianity cannot be falsified like Science can and is therefore wrong... which is untrue.
marcdaddy33 2 years ago
I hate to say it but Peter Josef is either temporarily fooled or is one them.
I don't want to be reeducated by no one. I always hated others telling me what to do and still do. I imagine this reeducating thing involves some form of spanking if you don't reeducate fast enough. "Reeducate, damnit! You're a traitor! You're five terraflops behind your reeducation quota. The high priest won't like this."
Kinkoyaburi 2 years ago
Both Peter and Jones make good arguments,but they eventually walk away from that path and fall into their"religious" beliefs(not literally)...
Noone has 100% accurate information or answers,but if they focus on the main problem they could both come up with better answers and solutions.
All this fighting is pointless and confuses people.
LupusHanzo 3 years ago
Jones is the only one fighting
inabear3 2 years ago 2
OOH! Battery!
JonSchaffer57 3 years ago
Alex! I'm sorry to say but you just lied saying you never brought up religion! That was the biggest problem you had with Peter! You even went on a huge rant screamming aT HIM ABOUT YOUR BELIEF IN CHRISTIANITY! You said it because he was trying to make the point that religion is the biggest divider of man kind!
rizonman 3 years ago
you don't know what you are talking about
nodoubt257 2 years ago
Why do you say that?
rizonman 2 years ago
name a few names in the NWO.
Please i want to know!
timesplitters333 3 years ago
tony blair richard glass henry kissinger David rockefeller richard cheney any more names you need?
nodoubt257 2 years ago
The original concepts of a 'New World Order' for the modern 20th-21st Centuries comes from my religion--the Baha'i Faith--in the 19th Century. The Czars Alexander I & II had direct dialogue with Baha'u'llah & learned of His 'New World Order', but failed to establish it justly. Instead the European superpowers & their leaders took credit for the ideal & continued the work of the false NWO. The ideal of a universal language, measurements, etc., all came from the Baha'i Faith in the 1800's.
seedofbug1088 3 years ago
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Alex Jones is the emotional equivalent of Bill O'Reilly. Pathetic really. Too bad, as he does help to raise awareness on important issues but his character flaw is that he is resistant to listening and learning.
He's a slave to his own ideas.
And the irony of that is staggering.
SavannahsRUs 3 years ago
you're an idiot as well.
nodoubt257 2 years ago
Dont forget - after much bloodshed when the NEW world order actually starts initially people will be cheering it in. It will be "the next step in our spiritual evolution" ppl will love the fact that its done away with the old establishment and embrace it then quickly find out what true slavery is like. But believe Zeitgeist if you want....
LokiTeslar2012 3 years ago 2
Alright, I'll bite. What exactly is "true" slavery as opposed to false slavery?
joesub007 2 years ago
Zeitgiest its agains the one world government how can they be the NWO? Sorry, but this is desinformation.
AngryShooter 3 years ago
just cause they say theyre against it doesnt mean that what they then go on to say isnt the actual beliefs and ideals of the nwo. Zeitgeist claims to be "anti establishment" but in truth it actually peddles what sick nwo freaks like Pike, Bailey and Blavatsky etc say ppl Will believe in the NWO. Dont believe Zeitgeist ppl, look a little further into it n see its propaganda masquerading as anti-establishment for "truthseekers".
LokiTeslar2012 3 years ago
It's going too far now. There was such misunderstanding on Alex's end both in misinterpreting the intentions of Zeitgeist, the views of Peter Joseph and the issues Peter was trying to address. Alex needs to talk to Peter and listen this time because he has the wrong impressions about this and him all together and I'm sure that if you two just "talked" you would find that you are fighting for the same things. Nitpicking this film is counterproductive to the ultimate goals we all have.
WHollabaugh 3 years ago
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you are an idiot. You are clueless to what is going on. You do not understand what Zeitgeist Addendum is about AT ALL.
nodoubt257 2 years ago
nodoubt257,
What a well written and thought out argument, Water-head. Obviously I know far less than the likes of you and your perfectly logical nonsense.
Never mind the fact that I just wrote five papers in sociology on Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist Addendum in the last three months alone, you are clearly right about how wrong and idiotic I am. Now please leave the intelligent discourse to the big boy and go back to your licking the windows in the short bus.
WHollabaugh 2 years ago
hhahhaha yay!!
taylorsickler123 2 years ago
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Boolze 2 years ago
Alex Jones in this clip: "And then they have the nerve to claim that's not a centralized system."
Jacque Fresco, from Addendum: "There's lots of talk about decentralization [...] We're going back to centralization."
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Boolze 3 years ago 2
To be fair, I'll have to amend my comment by saying that Fresco actually did not say this in 'Zeitgeist: Addendum' - He said it in his own documentary, 'Future By Design'. The bit about going back to centralization, I mean. Still, Z:A never does claim it's not a centralized system.
Boolze 3 years ago
When was Zeitgeist ever against _spirituality_, Alex?
Addendum says religion is "useful" when it moves into philosopy. I.e., we need to establish good common ground within philosophy, and redirect any "religious fervor" to the practice of it.
Also, you and some other Christians are already saying your religion is better than certain religions - Why isn't Norse mythology good enough for you, Alex?
Boolze 3 years ago
He doesnt say they said that... in fact how did you get that impression... ? He just denounces the views they do put because its pure nwo propaganda and he's very correct...
seriously... what is with all you ppl that bum zeitgeist so hard yet call other ppl sheep. youve come along seen a couple of movies and think "yeah damn establishment! ive got you figured out!" yet really zeitgeist is just a tool to teach ppl who think theyre free-thinking and alternative.
LokiTeslar2012 3 years ago
Alex Jones thinking Peter Joseph is part of the New World Order - this is when ernest concern transforms into insanity.
Snagawaga 3 years ago
I USE TO LIKE HIM I SWEAR
fettihustle 3 years ago
ALEX JONES IS JUST HIGH
fettihustle 3 years ago
guys you are all so wrong there is no such thing as satan or god...what ?? - if you die and you are not a "sinner" there is a golden meadow waiting for you in the sky or what ? hahaha "satan spred dinosaur bones around.." hahaha stupid kids!
marsiannn 3 years ago
marsiannn you'll enjoy this video.
Jordan Maxwell - The Naked Truth
/watch?v=oiYtzo17i5Q
go to the jordanmaxwell com website too. Satan is Saturn worship on saturn day like sun day worship.
myY0UTUBEchanneI 3 years ago
Alex Jones is massively misrepresenting what was stated in the movie. He has his own agenda and doesn't want anyone fucking with that.
washingtonkay 3 years ago
Alex has got it right. I've read writings by Alice Bailey, Madame's Blavatsky, Barbara Marx Hubbard, Albert Pike and the crap on their Luciferian website. Zeitgeist is United Nations NWO LIES. My guess is He's not misrepresenting anything. Who IS Peter Josepth? I tried to look up the bio on Peter Joseph & I spent two hours trying to find out info on this creep. There's very little. He's a "mystery man." Something smells fishy in Denmark. It smells like Zionism. RESEARCH.
jcrules54733 3 years ago
its nothing like that!, NWO is the result of the persuit of power and money, how could zeitgeist be NWO when they propose to get rid of the monetary system!
mcdon00 3 years ago
Becauze they know that there will be revolution! Bolshevicks revolution was also controlled by the New World Order agenda! Zeitgeist is doing similar thing.
SolitonPL 3 years ago 2
Jesus was created by the NWP to control dumb people.
Check this link - your so f ing dumb Jesus debunked backslash AJ is a d i ck
rasonoaks 3 years ago
His name is not James Coyman...Look it up dumbass
rasonoaks 3 years ago
But of course "Peter Joseph", that's not his real name he is in fact, a con-artist named James Coyman, and he would not let you know the truth.
He is much more happy with the hundreds of thousands of dollars Zeitgeist DVD sales have earned him.
Egyptian communities continued to worship Horus 700 years after Christ, and had added many Christ-like elements to him. Pretty easy to debunk, huh?
Cyrus255 3 years ago
Who cares about that if Horus was around before Jesus?? Fuck Jesus and all that crap.
seraph101 3 years ago
He is an obvious crock as he does not CARE to bother to give the REVERSE explanation of Horus:
WHILE horus "predates" Jesus as far as being first worshipped, pagan beliefs are prone to evolve over time.
There is EVIDENCE, that some Egyptian coptic christians ADDED JESUS CHARACTERISTICS TO HORUS. NOT the other way around. Egyptian religious beliefs continued to evolve and change, incorporating Christian elements due to the christian communities there until Islam arrived in the 700's AD.
Cyrus255 3 years ago
That probably not true, there is some historian that was around in 100 AD that said I know other religions gods have similar characteristics to Jesus. But those other gods were created by Satan to fool you, Just like the dinosaur bones
rasonoaks 3 years ago
Did you just realize what you just typed, lol. Are you fucking nuts? Satan planted dinosaur bones and counterfeited in advance as many as 18 pagan messiahs just like Jesus to make his existence debatable? And you think you have the right to call a man an idiot who backs his documentary up with facts, well sir you finally get the ultimate award for total delusionary babble.
fywacia 3 years ago
Dude that is what I am saying it is not likely that satan did all this stuff.
Satan has also fooled us into thinking the earth is not the center of the universe. Satan also created stallagtites in caves to make us doubt the true age of the earth. In addition satan changed the half life of carbon 13 to fool us into thinking the earth is old.
rasonoaks 3 years ago
Rasonoaks, I'm having a hard time believing that you actually believe what you say. The Vatican uses part of your excuse to justify the existence of Jesus despite the mountain of evidence claiming the contrary. But even they don't take it this far. I recommend seeking professional help because I do think that you are suffering from a mental illness. Please don't take this the wrong way because it happens to the best of us. Please seek some psychiatric help before something bad happens.
fywacia 3 years ago
Dude,
You are having a hard time believing that I believe what I say because I DO NOT.
I guess now that I read my post I understand why you wrote what you wrote. You see to me it is soooooooo preposterous that Satan was responsible for those things that I thought it was obvious, unfortunatly sarcasm doesn't come across well over the internet.
So just for the record I do not believe Satan caused those things nature did.
rasonoaks 3 years ago
That's a big relief, carry on with your sarcasm.
fywacia 3 years ago
im pretty sure zeitgeist isnt saying spirituality doesnt exist, its saying you dont need religion
imreallydumb123 3 years ago 2
from a jedis opinion, meh w/e
Minghaggard 3 years ago
I'm sorry but I really resent Alex calling any fans of Zeitgeist 'fools' Alex Jones needs to accept that there are more people trying to bring about change in the world than him. Even if Zeitgeist is not the answer, its sickening to hear him being so negative towards people who are obviously just trying to inform people. Let us have our own opinions Alex, and not be called luciferians for doing so.
turquoisecrystal 3 years ago 4
Zeitgeist does have its errors. but when it comes to religion in its basic fountain it is correct. Through it may not be that there all connected to the son. the basic fact is that there is no god and science continually wins. rational thought will always win. so i would have liked Alex to be critical of region. religion supports what Alex hates. one world order.
FultonSeele 3 years ago
Psh..
Out of everything in which they claim is corrupt the only certiancy is 'that there is no god?'
It seems in the new biased culture that dispite countless relgious people accepting atheisim, and the agnostic. It's thouse opposed to whom can't help but 'honk' their views.
Science in that of itself is flawed, for we are only able to precieve as far as science permits, which in-that of itself is based upon our own perception. Orginal speakers suggesting the earth was round, were laughed at
Dayven 3 years ago
In these terms sadly most need to be proved without a shadow of a doubt before they are willing to accept anything, but then again its a lot eaiser to speak against relgion then it is to defend it. For any to whom would actively stand up against it just recieve biased critisim, instead of acceptance that there will always be opposing views, as there are always two sides to a coin. I agree that ZeitGeist Addendum may not be fully right about everything, but least their methods are pro enviromen
Dayven 3 years ago
Please can someone tell me the name of the song played in the background of this clip in the last ten seconds? I would appreciate it, i have been trying to find out the name of this song for a long time! lol
londonlad84 3 years ago
DOROTHY MURDOCK, the non-scholar who wrote The Cripes Conspiracy and The Buns of God, has been proven conclusively to be full of crap. Watch ZEITGEIST CHALLENGE EXPOSES ACHARYA S 1-3, ZEIGEIST EXPOSED 1-8, THE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS 1-4, ZEITGEIST REBUTTTAL parts 1-3. ZEITGEIST REFUTED 1-10.
MagusSolitudo 3 years ago
"Despite the false claims, ZEITGEIST has not been refuted. My book Christ in Egypt will demonstrate through primary and highly credentialed sources that all of the Horus-Jesus connections in ZEITGEIST are factual." -D.M. Murdock
D.M. Murdock is a scholar classically educated in archaeology, history, mythology and languages. She specializes in religion and mythology, critiquing and comparing them, and providing unique insights into their origins.
accersitusmaximus 3 years ago
check my video response on 3/3, i prove him wrong.
Rycharg 3 years ago
HAHA, the brotherhood GAVE YOU YOUR CHRISTIAN RELIGION!!!!
TJMonster51 3 years ago
Zeitgeists motive is to get people to question athority, not put you under it. They are twisting it around to make it look like a bad thing. Probibly because there wont be money to feed their EGO's. There won't be any elite or Gods or bankers or governments because people will do whats best for race. MIT has taken the first step by offering classes, lecture, assignments, notes and tests online for free.
TJMonster51 3 years ago 2
According to William Cooper, Alex is a new world order agent. Look up William Cooper and Alex jones on youtube. We should expose Alex Jones. We don't need a leader in the movement. Anytime there is a leader it increases the chances of infiltration, which I think has happened via Alex.
des070776 3 years ago 2
These guys really totally missed the Zeitgeist point, this is ridiculous!
savit 3 years ago 6
lol,work,money,and laws are not bad,the abuse of those things are bad......they don't even address the issue that there will ALWAYS be a law amongst any group of people,just think about the laws in place to stop sexual child abuse,utopia can't replace a molesters need to do that,or something as simple as stealing for the fun of it.Also,if work is bad then how are you going to build and maintain the utopia to begin with? Project Venus would have an intelligent elite too,based on I.Q.
aesthetictripp 3 years ago
maybe the zeitgeist followers you know want power and are trying to take advantage of it, but i am not, nor any of the ones i know. i just wont my own freedom. it seems to me people get mad when i dont do something they like. thats what i want. is individual freedom to learn what i want to, and when everyone starts learning what they want you dont have to make them do it. they will do it on their own, and everyone piching in will make a healthier society.
xxjacobxx3 3 years ago
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DOROTHY MURDOCK, the non-scholar who wrote The Christ Conspiracy and Suns of God, has been proven conclusively to be either full of nonsense or lying or both. View ZEITGEIST CHALLENGE EXPOSES ACHARYA S 1-3, ZEIGEIST EXPOSED 1-8, THE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS 1-4, ZEITGEIST REBUTTTAL parts 1-3. ZEITGEIST REFUTED 1-10.
MagusSolitudo 3 years ago
My perspective: Zeitgeist Addendum is a distorted view for our true future, the illuminati has allowed our consiousness to progress in the past because it fitted their agenda at that time. Now they're trying to turn spiritual progress into some kind of surrogate. Not every person on this planet is ready to progress to the "next level", forcing them is only something the NWO would do, from a higher perspective that would be barbaric.
T4L0NNL 3 years ago
Same goes for the re-education of people, all of it has to by choice!
So, Alex is not wrong in saying that this new Zeitgeist movie is propaganda for the New World Order. It is.
T4L0NNL 3 years ago
Alex Jones - get off the fucking 'Net. You are a pig.
artisanglow 3 years ago
I'm sorry but when Alex Jones starts talking about zeitgeist being part of a NWO type religion and occult stuff he is way out of line.
He talks of how Peter Joseph spoke of reeducation but that was taken out of context when Peter Joseph said if someone was frozen today then woke up hundreds of years in the future, we would need to be re-educated. How could someone disagree with that?
People have called out Alex Jones before for his messed up religious/spiritual views distorting his perception
LJPpro 3 years ago 8
NO!thats a Religious term,you need to be re-educated!
Dave.
TheAlexJonesChannel 3 years ago
You guys are making grand assumtions from wikipedia pages. Jiddu Krishnamurti is not the NWO christ by any means. He was the head of a theosophical organization called the Order of the Star of the East where he was named the world teacher. BEFORE he went around the world talking he dissolved this organization & separated himself from the theosophical organization. Read his speech "Truth is a Pathless Land" dissolving the organization.
wade36 3 years ago
So I get a thumbs down for speaking the truth? Maybe you guys are really the NWO.
wade36 3 years ago
You are ridiculous Dave. LJPpro brings up a factual point. Then you use the "buzzword" of re-education to formulate an irrelevant response.
TheTophaLoaf 3 years ago
Come to think of it, PJ prefaced the interview with, "I want to have a discussion, not a debate." He's clearly aware of Alex's passion and his tendencies to get heated. Not that it's a correct posture, but I really feel that PJ knew that he would come across as the innocent, smooth talking gentleman and Alex would come off as rude and overzealous. Someone as intelligent as PJ obviously is, would likely take full advantage of such a situation.
hollowmedia 3 years ago 2
i agree. who wouldnt. thats awesome of pj to do. he is smarter. i would definately like someone leading me that was calm and scientifically acurate. They know how to get the job done. on a side note, if god is real then i bet he is ashamed that his people (christians) are some of the stupidest ignorant people on the planet. ~thats just my opinion though
xxjacobxx3 3 years ago
Aside from your prejudice banter, there is nothing scientifically accurate about a series of postulates that have no precedent in the human or animal kingdoms. A nice idea is just that - a nice idea. I like to dream as much as the next guy...
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TheAlexJonesChannel 3 years ago
The School of Jezowit has built colleges all over this land. You may have noticed all of the government programs we have today (such as anger management just to name one) these office jobs are not availble to you or I simply because we are not graduates from the school of Jezowit. A pecking order has been established in this country and it is an elite from of Catholisis that studies the theology that will eventually lead to the great Satan.
alanleewaddell 3 years ago
So basically what they did was destroy/de-mistify current religions in the first one and made up their own in the second.
Personally i believe there's a creator but i don't buy in any religion. And whether there is a god or not should not affect how we act or live our lives. We should always aspire to be better not for some cosmic entity we've never even seen before but for ourselves.
We're only using about 10% of our capacity, we still have a long way to go...
Rhein222 3 years ago
I have a serious question: If the NWO are so powerful, why do they have to keep "repackaging" their attempts at control?
Why have they not succeeded?
F3loniousMonk 3 years ago 4
they're trying to accomplish it on a subliminal frequency there just slowly lending us into a trap waiting to set it off.
nubiankang 3 years ago