Canadian healthcare is horrible. Healthcare in the U.S. is also a disaster. They are both socialistic healthcare systems.The fact that Canadians say they like their healthcare shows how much propaganda the government spews. It is in no way a reflection of the quality of Canadian healthcare. We need Liberty! We need Capitalism!
@ecnerwal999 So we are sooo insecure and lost as a people in Canada that we can't make our own decision that Canadian's fully support our system??? Spare me.
@ecnerwal999 wow..you just got shot and are bleeding and dying? whats your credit card number give it to me NOW or you dont get treated.Thats Capitalism.And to compare U.S. as socialist healthcare..please..go to school.
@moocowdad I should go to school?!! You just outlined a completely ridiculous unrealistic scenario. Never does that ever happen in real life and your're forgetting an extremely relevant point. In a free market health-care providers have to compete so if you need care urgently they can't charge you anything they want. And if a company did try to black mail you like that they would lose all their reputability and go bankupt very quickly as they lose all their customers.
@moocowdad Also, if you did your research you would realize that the U.S. healthcare system is socialistic. The AMA restricts the amount of doctors. The government subsidizes insurance through the tax code creating a third party payer system. The government created medicare/medicaid. A lot of doctors are shutting down because they're losing money. Why are they losing money if they're ripping off their customers?
The dirty secret of conventional dentistry is this: those "silver fillings" aren't silver. They are mainly mercury – and mercury, of course, is a virulent neurotoxin that can kill babies in the womb, can cause permanent brain damage to children, and can cause irreversible kidney damage in adults (among many other things).
Canadians: The chief dental officer of Health Canada doubles as a lobbyist for the pro-mercury World Dental Federation. Pretty outrageous, eh? We ask that you write Minister of Environment Canada Peter Kent at Minister@ec.gc.ca, and tell him that you as a taxpayer are amazed that Environment Canada is letting someone with such a conflict of interest influence the nation's treaty policy on amalgam. Ask him why Environment Canada is silent on amalgam?
Try getting a diagnosis. I can't believe how many people have to going to the doctors again, and again, and again. Now we are hiring more doctors and nurses. If they did their job the first time - they wouldn't need to hire a bunch more! We don't need more doctors we need doctors that care, listen, and do something for your condition!
@tindallpe ....actually you are right,,,,,I am going to the USA for medical treatment due to the f/n uselessness
Canadian Health Care System of DENIALS;
I agree, I need psychiatric care after all the BOZO doctors I have seen in Canada who falsified medical reports and caused me to develop PTSD due to their useless fn BS;
CANADA HEALTH CARE IS USELESS AND IS KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH DENIALS OF DIAGNOSTICS TESTS, DENIAL OF TIMELY MEDICAL DIAGNOSE / TREATMENT;
@FIXWADA Guess what.I think you are lying about going to the US for treatmentand. If I am right that would make you a hypocrite as well as a liar. Maybe you can see that ,in fact, YOU are partially responsible for your situation. You could have gone south long ago.You could have requested to do so. There are things you could have done to help yourself that you didn't do.All you ever did was complain. You do need psychiatric help that will assist you in not being such a whining dilusional burden
@FIXWCBCANADA Oh you did go south and again you failed.Why the hell didn't you make sure the "MRI" would be available to you before you left.You just can't win can you?Did the Canadian DR. know you were on your way down then call ahead and have them fuck you over before you got ther?Just asking.
@tindallpe .....i made numerous calls and sent numerous faxs to the seattle sit / stand mri clinic;
I wanted a complete mri of my whole spine from tip of tailbone to the top of my head; I made it perfectly clear to everyone involved; i was quoted $4500+ for everything; yet when i arrived i was denied; when questioning the centre i was told that they wouldn't due a complete spinal mri; that is not what I requested and that is not what they said; they promised me a complete spinal mri, LIARS
@FIXWCBCANADA It sounds to me no matter what you do no one will touch you.Hell they wont even let you pay for it in the US. I wish I could feel some compasion here but it just isn't happening.You blame the Canadian system and then you blame the American system for not providing you with an MRI that you say you were going to pay for and they wouldn't even take your money.Your story is almost Unbelievable.uhh hhmm.
Respond to this video... in 2007 i flew to Seattle for specialized mri of spine; after triple cking everything was good to go; (I was assured it was. )
However on arrival at Seattle Sit/Stand MRI center, i was denied the very test ,
when i returned to the doctor who botched the request for the mri, he stated to me that he had received a call from government health services about me but wouldn't tell me what was said;
he did say however that i would not receive medical care in Canada
@FIXWCBCANADA "when i returned to the doctor who botched the request for the mri, he stated to me that he had received a call from government health services about me but wouldn't tell me what was said;"
That explains a lot.
"the Canadian Doctor wouldn't order a simple x-ray, he proceeded to insinuate that i was on drugs, (cocaine)"
Also explains a lot.
I've been right the whole time.
They don't want to deal with you. You've probably been a pain in the ass person to deal with.
@MadHabber93 Oh man.I've seen your debating skills and I have no idea why you bother with this dillusional outcast. Everyone comes to the same conclusion in the end with this "Funny Fellow"But yes you have pegged him;nothing but a massive pain in the ass.Could you imagine this baggage showing up in your office,for any reason? He has all the predisposed" visions".He's nothing but a burden. I have a pet too on another channel and it's not that punk loser deacon although he's fun
@tindallpe For me, I guess it comes down to being there when this lunatic spews his lies and holding him accountable to them. Of course, he never does. And I believe your assessment, like mine, is bang on. I couldn't imagine having a guy like this as a patient. I think no matter what you do or don't diagnose him with, he'll never be happy with it. Oh well. I've gotten to the point where I throw my hands up. Its not and he's not really worth my time. Good job on Deacon btw.
Jeff's only treatment option in Saskatchewan was chemotherapy, so the Lukyes turned to the Mayo Clinic. Specialists there told them that his only option for survival was extremely radical surgery.
and he would have died in canada, so theirs your proof moronic internet troll....
Canadian healthcare is the best in North America, and probably unmatched in the world as far as treatment and care. I have never heard anyone complain about our system, and we realize that our taxes are spread out to help those that can't afford it, but hey, that's just Canadians caring about their own....unlike the selfish bastards in the US. with the mine-mine attitude...just sayin!
Thanks for the correction. sometimes I write these comments when I am really sleepy. I only wrote about this idiot, cuz I was making a Speech on The Cons of the Universal Health Care and this moron came my way.
@madnero12 Most do not make it? 5 year survival rates in Canada are virtually identical. Waits are about 2 weeks, not 6 months. you are GROSSLY misinformed.
MRI wait times for urgent care is that day.
My friend has had 2 open brain surgeries. Both urgently done. Life saved.
All this, with no bankruptcies, or 2 million Americans forgoing cancer treatment due to cost. But hey, keep drinking the koolaide, then learn to spell MORON!
@madnero12 Are you kidding me!? My dad felt a bit sick one day and his arm went numb. He got an MRI the day after seeing the doctor and another booked for the week after JUST IN CASE to compare brain scans! Good thing too, since if it had taken the time you say, he would have had treatment too late and would not have lived as long as he did. Knowing my dad, he would not have bothered seeing a doctor if it cost money like in America and would have died within a couple months.
The dumbest part of your video is at the end when you say I can either step in front or step aside, the miracle of socialism is I don't have to step at all, it's provided for me. Why work hard for free candy, it's slightly a joke, this is bad teaching.
The Appellant also stated that after the MRI, the waiting list for elective surgery would be at least 2 years subject to cancellations;
Rationed medical care in Canada;
MRI findings – his back was destroyed due to previous treatment. [The Appellant] is angry about this, because at the time he was attending chiro, he complained to his injury rep at the time that he didn’t think chiro was helping him and he wanted to discontinue – BUT – his rep. said –NO- you have to go! So he complied.
@FIXWCBCANADA Your anecdotal story from WORKMAN'S COMP means fuck all. I waited 10 days for an MRI, urgent MRI's are given RIGHT AWAY. You are great with stories TERRIBLE with facts.
i paid my taxes for 40 years and if I knew I would have been lied to about UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE for everyone, which is denied with discrimination if you are injured on the job; You say 85% of all Canadians are HAPPY with health care in Canada;
What about the other 15%, of Canadians? Just how many of the 85% of Canadians have never needed any real health care? I never needed any health care until I was injured on the job, and was quite oblivious to how bad the Canadian Health care really is;
@FIXWCBCANADA That 85% WHO HAVE received healthcare. You were injured on THE JOB, therefore YOU ARE NOT under the Unversal System but under the PRIVATELY run Workman's comp. If they decide you are OK, you have no recourse. Under the province, you and the doctor have all the power, and will get great TIMELY care. Just like 99% of the country. Of course, you are too FUCKING STUPID to separate the two. You are a FUCKING TROLL, that needs to get laid and move out of your parents basement.
@MadHabber93 ,,,, RESULTS; your the troll MORON ,,,go to Can LII and start reading about how Canada Health Care is RATIONED; There are hundreds of thousands of cases were people who are injured are denied timely diagnose and timely medical care in Canada;
I would be willing to bet you are a health care worker, or insurance company employee who is providing disinformation to protect your greedy scam;
FYI; I do not live in my parents basement, and my sex life has FA to due with denial of medical
@FIXWCBCANADA In a way your sex life (lack thereof) is a reflection of your lack of attention in the Canadian system. If you are not (getting any) it is probably because you are an asshole.Your services are governed by a Private Insusrance Organization called the Workers Compensation Board(WI) and for whatever reason they have chosen to screw you over. Private ins. in the US has the same power and pull this shit all the time on the entire populaton;not just one loser
Patient abuse or neglect is any action or failure to act which causes unreasonable suffering, misery or harm to the patient. It includes physically striking or sexually assaulting a patient. It also includes withholding of necessary food, physical care, and medical attention. It applies to various contexts such as hospitals, nursing homes, clinics and home visits.[37]
@FIXWCBCANADA You forgot to add two things. One, it rarely, rarely happens. Especially since 85% of Canadians rate the care they have received very highly. And two, Canada is not alone in this abuse. BUt don't let the FACTS get in the way of your HORSESHIT!!!!!!!!
just as a CANADIAN I just don't get it,...WHY are the patients who need surgery being DENIED the UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE they so desperately need. Canadians are so ignorant and oblivious to whats happening right under their noses it's rather sickening and down-right FRAUDULENT; and PROVES that CANADIAN'S PAY TAXES AND GET NO MEDICAL CARE,then are forced to go to were-ever;out of country because of all the CORRUPTION, try paying off your doctor in CANADA if you need medical care,
@FIXWCBCANADA Just as a Canadian, I don't get. Why do you continue to tell LIES based on YOUR experience with Workman's comp, that 99% of Canadians aren't affected by?? Are you insane?? Do you smoke crack? Are you a lunatic?? Yup, all the above!!!
@FIXWCBCANADA Just as a Canadian I just don't get it...why would 99.9% of Canadians be aware of YOUR situation with workman's comp since they aren't UNDER ITS CONTROL?? Try paying off your doctor?? We don't need to. We are FULLY covered nitwit!!
Canada does not have nationalized health care and no nationalized health insurance plan. Health insurance plans vary from province to province... a fact that most Americans and some Canadians don't understand.
@brian7125 Gee, that's weird, its going to be in the 70's today here in what I believe to be the same city as you. My ass is nice and warm thanks. But why not we meet downtown and I'll throw you in the sink hole dipshit!!!! Fuckin putz, move already and do us all a favour.
@brian7125 eewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Internet IDIOT!!! Fuck you too sunshine. Btw, nice voice on your vids. Got your nuts in a vice or something?? Bwah ha ha ha ha ha. Port Huron is a short drive away asshole. Pick your sorry ass up from the couch and go already.
You're the same type of moron that bitches about a country or healthcare system, but will be the first to cry about it after its taken away from them.
Well this twerp is a total liar. He claims his responses from Canadians were 99% in favor of the Canada Universal system. Yet reading the first ten comments below from Canadians were 9 out of 10 being NEGATIVE comments about CanadaCare, and most were POSITIVE towards American healthcare.
Every time I have taken my Mother up to Rochester MN to the Mayo Clinic, I always see as many Canadians there as Americans, because of the Canada Care system just does not work for everyone. Britethorn=FAIL
@bjjuhl Google Canadians satisfaction of our healthcare system & you will see poll after poll showing that 80 to 90% of Canadians are more than satisfied with our healthcare & would never want a U.S style, for profit, Private insurance controlled system.
Based on your comments, you've never heard the term 'anecdotal evidence'. I suggest you look up the definition. While your at it, google the STUDY Phantoms in the SNow, which concluded that a lot of Canadians going south for care is a myth.
@bjjuhl my brother was diagnosed with cancer 2 weeks ago. had surgery the next day and has had radiation therapy every day since then. my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer and had surgery 2 days later to remove the tumor. a lady i work with was diagnosed with bowel cancer and recieved surgery within 3 days of being diagnosed. these people you are seeing crossing the border are people who have been diagnosed with non life threatening illnesses. Canadian and proud of our health care
I am a Canadian....I needed back surgery and because I was under 18 at the time, was allowed into Sick Kids Hospital....A Canadian hospital....I have never been treated better in my life, they did not put off the surgery even though they could have AND if you cheek out Sick Kids Hospital Toronto Canada, you will learn it is one of the best Hospitals in the world
@knrose10 st.jude hospital does not turn any children away because of their inability to pay.same with choc hospital they are the best in the world.both american hospitals.
there is no question that canadians like their system, however many canadians die waiting for diagnose / treatment; In fact, universal health care is a big lie; why due you think so many canadians go to the USA for diagnose / treatment
USA has better technology and can diagnose conditions better than canada.
@FIXWCBCANADA With the exception of Canadians of 'Canadians like their system" none of what you have written is actually true nor can be backed up. A few people going south for care is NOT many. And no study supports that we die waiting for care, Canadian hospitals have the SAME technology as U.S. hospitals. But hey, don't let the FACTS slap in the face for the MILLIONTH TIME dumbass!!
@MadHabber93 ..The Canada Health Act Discriminates Against Injured
Workers By Excluding Them From "Access To Health Services Without Financial Or Other Barriers" By Excluding "Any Health Services That A Person Is Entitled To And Eligible For Under Any Act Of The legislature Of A Province That Relates To Workers' Or Workmen's Compensation" And That This Leaves Injured Workers Vulnerable To Wrongdoing By The Workers Compensation System;
Respond to this video... Jeff's only treatment option in Saskatchewan was chemotherapy, so the Lukyes turned to the Mayo Clinic. Specialists there told them that his only option for survival was extremely radical surgery.
and he would have died in canada, so theirs your proof moronic internet troll....
Respond to this video... SASKATOON -- The widow of a man who died of cancer after allegedly being misdiagnosed and incorrectly treated is suing the Saskatchewan Cancer Agency (SCA) and at least three Saskatoon doctors for more than $1 million.
Crystal Bonderud alleges doctors were negligent in treating her husband, 38-year-old Doug Bonderud, who died last October..
@FIXWCBCANADA For the billionth time, look up the term anecdotal evidence YOU FUCKIN IDIOT. Not to mention you posted Jeff's case before you lunatic. And here's a newsflash fucknut, negligence happens in EVERY system. For every Jeff and Crystal there are thousands upon thousands of lives saves in our system. You are just too FUCKING STUPID to see it.
Respond to this video... Edward was himself diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2009, but doctors in Saskatchewan told him surgery wasn't an option for him. "Mr. Tchorzewski went out-of-country and it saves his life," she said. "He's a 72-year-old pensioner and it cost him almost $60,000, a bill the minister has yet to pay."
Oh and i guess you think Canada has such a wonderful system you fucken moronic asshole
@FIXWCBCANADA Do you mean Google Scholar? Here's one Google search for you: "Don't write off the Canadian health care system" by Denver Lewellen from UC Berkeley. Now that's pure academic stuff.
@FIXWCBCANADA You are one individual that was centered out by a private insurance firm in Canada called "The Workers Safety And Insurance Board". For some reason they either didn't believe you or conflict started some how and you have been in a situation whereby you are being excluded. That is exactly what happens in the US every day not just to one loser. You have your sight dedicated to your contempt for Canadian medicine and the country itself. I wouldn’t help you either.
@MadHabber93 ....YOU STATE THAT CANADIAN HOSPITALS HAVE THE SAME TECHNOLOGY AS USA HOSPITALS,,,,,THEN EXPLAIN TO ME WHY CANADIANS ARE DENIED SURGERY TO SAVE THEIR LIVES;
DUH, HOW FKEN STUPID DUE YOU THINK WE ARE?
CRAWL BACK UNDER YOUR ROCK AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST STATED;
YOUR INTERNET TROLLING AND BLATANT LYING ABOUT CANADA'S BIGGEST LIE;
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IN CANADA IS A BIG LIE; (THEN U DIE ) DENIED MEDICAL CARE;
@FIXWCBCANADA Why don’t you cross the border, find a good hospital and a good doctor and pay for your shit you fuckwit instead of spending a life time bitching about how you got fucked by private insurance. Everything you’ve gotten or didn’t get was FREE. SO go pay for it and shut the fuck up Canadas system is approved by 85% of the population .That is a very high exceptance rate
@FIXWCBCANADA . Some believe the US system is great There are at least 40 million that don't think that and another 25% that are insured that don't think that; nor do the ones who have gone bankrupt.I have a suggestion for you since you got fucked over by private insurance (WSIB) here
@FIXWCBCANADA I will agree with you on one point The workers Compensation Board is a callous, manipulative, brutal organization that is in dyer need of reform and accountablity.They do not represent the Canadian medical system.That is where I disagree.
@tindallpe I've been telling this lunatic the samething for over a year on here, yet he keeps posting the same shit. Honestly, I truly believe he has serious mental issues.
@MadHabber93 Hang in there MadHabber.Their attempt at reform down there has failed.The single payer system cannot function by forcing the purchasing of private insurance.Americans think that is what we have to some extent The insurance companies have won in their war on perception in the US.It'sover It doesn't mean we are going to put up with letting their news organizations and propaganda machines slander our system.The more I hear the more pissed I become even though they are the losers not us
@tindallpe ....actually you are right,,,,,I am going to the USA for medical treatment due to the f/n uselessness
Canadian Health Care System of DENIALS;
I agree, I need psychiatric care after all the BOZO doctors I have seen in Canada who falsified medical reports and caused me to develop PTSD due to their useless fn BS;
CANADA HEALTH CARE IS USELESS AND IS KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH DENIALS OF DIAGNOSTICS TESTS, DENIAL OF TIMELY MEDICAL DIAGNOSE / TREATMENT;
@FIANADA" We don't have an MRI machine". You are hilarious .But I see that Madhbber was right. Your are sick.Fortunately everyone can now see that in no way are you to be taken seriously.You are probably to the point where you seeing things.Just from these comments I would recommend you get psyciatric help.If you apply now you should get FREE treatment in about two months. You could go to the emergency and if they find you are suicidal it would be immediate. If you're smoking "Get OFF The POT
@MadHabber93 .............Rowat suggested in the house Wednesday that Powers’ surgery was cancelled once officials learned he was not a Manitoba resident, and he died while waiting for the two provincial governments to sort out his case.
@MadHabber93 ............Jeff's only treatment option in Saskatchewan was chemotherapy, so the Lukyes turned to the Mayo Clinic. Specialists there told them that his only option for survival was extremely radical surgery.
and he would have died in canada, so theirs your proof moronic internet troll....
@MadHabber93 ...............Jeff's only treatment option in Saskatchewan was chemotherapy, so the Lukyes turned to the Mayo Clinic. Specialists there told them that his only option for survival was extremely radical surgery.
and he would have died in canada, so theirs your proof moronic internet troll....
@MadHabber93 ,,,,blah,,,,blah....blah,,,,,,i challenge you to eat your shorts on youtube if I PROVE to you everything I say is true....! are you up for the offer.....?
@FIXWCBCANADA Your proof are anecdotal stories that prove fuck all. A little story here and there doesn't change the FACT that 85% of Canadians are more than happy with the excellent care they have received. Does that mean that its 100% perfect, no, nothing is you fucking tool.
Every system, and I mean every system, will have malpractice. You are trying to paint your situation, or the few cherry picked stories off the net, as the norm. WHICH IT IS FAR FROM YOU FUCKING LUNATIC.
I posted a web page titled "Conservative, Liberal or Neither" by JJ Rousso
You will be surprised (or not) learning whom both leading parties represent.
It is on the same blog as below.
If you are interested to an entirely different perspective....then just Google search "The History of Banking Fraud - Short Inspiring Stories by Bill Woollam"
That is my point. When corporatists have lobbied OECD member nations, one at a time, over the last 40 years to reduce corporate taxes, hundreds of billions of dollars of potential government revenue have been lost, yearly. No revenues=no monies to fund the Universal healthcare properly=no monies to fund public education properly. The con is that Corporations, after pressing govts to lower tax rates,claim that low rates are worth it. If the rates were never lowered at all business would carry on
@Chidanandaji Taxation revenues of course go up and down on a year by year basis given the multiple variables within an economy, but as a whole in the OECD they have not declined and have went up per capita, not down. Though I have criticized Canadian education in relation to US education. Canadian education is very high on the world stage. Depending on who you talk to Canadians have the second most educated population in the world, but I do have my criticisms about that.
i am canadian and i have never had to wait for any surgery or treatment which i have needed in the past. a lot of americans critisize the canadian healthcare without having any knowledge about it. I was born with polycystic kidney disease and go to the hospital once every week for checkups and treatments. if i lived in the US. i would be living on the streets by now. i cant imagine healcare any other way.
Americans have been lied to. I compiled a blog titled "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" Just Google that.
The US health care system is one of the worst in the world and has been compromised by the US Administration, the Health Insurance and Management Offices, and American Medical Assoc.
Can., Britain, France,Cuba, Austalia have hassle free, debt-free, comprehensive, universal health plans where every citizen receives health care with no added costs
@Chidanandaji It did not deny 57 Million Americans. This number has been mainly disproven - When you factor in the upper middle class who by choice do not have insurance., illegals, temp Immigrants, and other Americans who are eligible for Medicare/Medicaid, but choose not to apply - The number is cut by over 90%.
US health care worst in the world? So this why Americans have such high survival rates of communicable diseases - more so than any other nation.
@ShayisWY Yes, insured Americans will find that Health Management Offices are profitting off of denying claims to insured Americans. Millions of insured Americans are denied claims.
@Chidanandaji Debt free? Considering nations like Britain that has 4 times the debt of the US (per capita) or here in Canada, where people are the most indebted individuals and households in the developed world. - You may want to rethink that statement.
Hassle free? Here in Vancouver if I am suspected of Cancer, I have to wait 3 months to see an Oncologist, and additional 3 months to get an MRI - among other examples - It is most certainly not hassle free.
@ShayisWY Debt free, meaning as a Canadian my family will not be bankrupted, as in the fifties, with medicare costs.
If there are wait lists it is due to underfunding by Government....Due to declining government revenues ....due to "corporate welfare"....due to cutting of billions of dollars of yearly government revenue by cutting combined corporate tax rates from 50% in the 1960s to 28% today.
Who did you vote for? Corporate friendly or people's party?
@ShayisWY If the Universal healthcare in Canada was properly funded, then all the concerns you keep mentioning would not be present. If you instead, allow Conservative and Liberal governments to reduce revenue income by reducing corporate taxation.....then Canadians can only blame themselves for sleeping while the store is being robbed. Where then comes the monies to fund a workable, functional and efficient healthcare and education system, when governments rubber-stamp Corporate Welfare?
@Chidanandaji Taxation is a fine line and what is the appropriate amount of taxation really depends on each economy. Taxes should be as high as they can, but not to discourage growth and lower revenue. Raising taxes does not necessarly raise revenue - case in point Canada has higher overall taxes than the US, but actually raises less tax revenue per capita than the US.But I am not saying that lowering taxes in Canada will raise more money as it all depends.
@ShayisWY In the OECD member nations governments were lobbied (economically coerced?) by international corporatists to lower corporate tax rates. It doesn't take a genius to see how corporate welfare came to exist, one lobbied nation at a time. And the corporative spin on it all? That OECD member nations must compete globally. What a fraud.
Collecting almost 25 % less corporate taxes leaves the coffers with 190 billion in less revenues, yearly.
@Chidanandaji You are applying one policy and assuming it applies to all. Please explain why Canada with more taxes raises less tax revenue per capita than the US? Also Hong Kong has very....VERY low levels of taxes and yet has some very comprehesive social services and little debt. If I have a taco stand and double the price of my Tacos, I will make less money and not double the money - Odd example, but demonstrates simply raising taxes does not necessarly raise revenue.
@ShayisWY Actually, if you read my blog titled: "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" If you Google that.....You will learn that Canada has less combined Fed/State or Fed/Provincial corporate tax rates....and that the US collects less corporate tax per GDP than 30 of the 34 member OECD member nations. Your analogy about the TACOS sounds great , but over the last forty years under corporatism I have witnessed the declines in employment opportunities.
@Chidanandaji Declines in unemployment? industries die out while new ones are born. Honestly I refuse work to this day given the opportunities I have as seafarer with a mates certficate. My fiances brother who is a NDT in Wa. state and is being grabbed in all directions - You can become a NDT in mere months. You got a skill set that is either non existent or of little importance.... so?
@Chidanandaji 57 million? refuted by many including in part by the very people who created that number. The overwhelming majority falls into: Upper middle class or higher, those who qualify for medicare/aid, but choose not to apply, Temp immigrants and illegals. Furthermore many of the people who fall outside of the bracket have came forward stating they refused insurance as their own decsion. Do you not think people should have the right to refuse a relationship with their governement?
@ShayisWY The Health Insurance Management industry makes its billions in yearly profits by denying claims to insured Americans. The fact remains the system is not there to benefit and treat the insured or uninsured, that wouldn't be profitable to the HMOs. Let Americans defend the set-up. Go for it. I just know that were I to contract cancer or tuberculosis or AIDS, under a Universal Health care set-up, I will be treated and not incur debt....whether poor or working or not.
@Chidanandaji I am not against having government run insurance at all and in fact I have defended peoples right to have a more comprehensive relation with their goverment. However it is my choice to define what relation I have with my government and that includes what I feel is my right to decide if I want government insurance, or private insurance.....or no insurance at all. Do you think the government has a greater sense of morality in regards to health needs than you?
@Chidanandaji People assume that Canadian health care is universal and is therefore free. Not true as one not all treatments are covered and this includes certain cancer treatments. We also pay for it through taxes, user fees, premiums, etc. Canadians do incur debt over paying taxes and some will even go bankrupt as a result. So you can't say our health care places no fiscal hardship on us. Furthermore Canadians as we have to wait longer for health care, will incur more unworkable days off
@Chidanandaji Corporatist welfare? Here in Canada and in the US the top 10% of all income earners pay over 50% of the taxes. The middle class represent a majority of the population, but pay under 50% of the taxes - Not a bad deal I'd say.
@ShayisWY My point entirely. The people who can most afford sharing of their wealth and who can most afford contributing to the government revenues....have lobbied for contracting out, out-sourcing of labor, de-unionized work force, de-regulation and further corp tax cuts....while complaining about the majority of the population making a decent wage to survive on. The hypocrisy is astounding.
@Chidanandaji And they are paying well over 1/2 of the taxes and more in proportion to their income. In fact I believe the middle class is not being taxed enough. Outsourced for labour? No offence, I can't speak on behalf of the US, here in Canada, unionized work places build some of the crapiest products we make like our boat building - complete and utter crap.
@Chidanandaji By your logic nations such Norway Germany, France etc should be well off economically, more so than the US given higher levels of corporate and higher income taxes for high income levels, but these nations are a debt ridden mess and in the case of Norway has 8 times the debt of the US per capita and this is despite being an oil rich nation. - Even before the recent recession, these nations carried far more debt than the US (PC)
@ShayisWY Last I checked, Germany and France, according to "Current account balance of payments As a percentage of GDP" are fairing better than the US. As is Sweden,, Switz, Netherlds, Norway, Luxemb, Japan, Italy, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Canada, Czek Republic, Belgium and even Australia.
Google search: OECD 50 Statistics from A to Z - Beta version The above countries all have income of GDP and investments per capita higher than that of USA.
@Chidanandaji Umm you are looking at one measure of debt. and deceitfully trying to portray it as total debt. Canada is doing better at a federal level, but the average Canadian province has nearly the 10 TIMES the debt of the average American state, 100's of billions in debt held by crown corporationes, debt held in intermediaries, the Canadian bank bailout, which was around double per capita than in the US. This also does not include the fact Canadians indiviudall and on a household level
@Chidanandaji are in more debt than the average American houshold indiviual. The only reason why Canada faired better in some regards is that fact we are coat tail economy - we saw the effects in the US and europe and preempted them.
Getting back to debt. I disagree as again you are taking one measure on portraying it as total debt. Lets see
USA - 95% Sweden - 241% Norway - 861% Swiss-364% Denmark-274% Netherlands-344% Luxemburg 4636%. Canada has lower, but again excludes a lot of debt
@Chidanandaji I did look at the OECD and even though as the clearly note their statistics are only measure of a specific debt. But even then the US rates just under the OECD average and not above. Not my words, but that of the OECD
As for coporate taxation, again I disagree you are assuming that each every business pays the full rate and has not applied any deductions. Furthermore you are not factoring in the fact Canadian businesses pay far higher marginal and capital gains taxes. Not to..
@Chidanandaji mention fees, local taxation, Social servivce deductions.Lets also get started on ancillary costs, start up taxation US does on paper have 35% and US also has on paper a somewhat high upper indiviual tax rate, but you have accounted for bracket spread as well.
As for provincial/ State tax rates - You are so out to lunch on this one I don't even know where to begin. The US state charges roughly 12%, whereas the highest Canadian province charges 16.5%.
@Chidanandaji - This again is not factoring in other costs. Your idiea of US corporate taxes without taking into account various factors is almost as stupid as your idea that taxation has the exact same effect on every nation regardless of differences. What is also odd about your debate in that the US has higher overall business costs, you in a way defeated your own argument and point and confirmed what I was saying of optimal taxation.
@Chidanandaji The OECD does a comparison of all nations in relation to corporate taxation. Divide all OECD into two groups: 50% with the lowest level of corporate taxation and the 50% with the highest. The 50% group with the lowest corporate taxation represents almost all the top 50% of corporate tax revenue generator countries. Simply raising taxes does not necessarly increase revenue as it all depends on the nations optimun taxation level.
@Chidanandaji No added costs? People pay through taxes and here in Canada, many of us still have to pay monthly premiums. Not all treatments are free or even approved here in Canada. The Canadian System indeed costs less, but we have less Doctors and Nurses who don't make as much as American ones. Furthermore we have (no joke) only about 1/4 of the diagnostic equipment of the US. Some people here in Vancouver have to wait up to 18 months for MRI's
@ShayisWY First off, we have more nurses per captia then the States, and virtually the same in doctors. They have only slightly more. 2nd, doctor salaries have increased dramatically the last 10 years, so much so that more doctors are returning to practice in Canada, then going South for the past 5 years. 3rd, according to CIHI, median wait times for MRI's in B.C. was 80 days, far short of your 18 month claim. 4th. Canada's debt to GDP ratio is 1/3 of that to the States.
@MadHabber93 More per capita in terms of nurses, but when they have access to lower level technology and less resources - Canada's 9.9 nurses per 1000 do less than the US 8.2 per 1000. You can go to a mechanic shop that has 100 mechanics, but you can still end up waiting longer for service than the Mom and pop shop down the road if you do not have the tools and resources to utilize those people. Slightly as defined as 1 or 2% more? You may want to check that again. As for salaries, ....
@MadHabber93 ,,,they have increased and Doctors are slowly allowed to participate and give more private treatments which have added to their income - this is a result of more privatization. But again Canadian doctors do have less overhead, but even with that still make less than an American Doctor. As for going South, it is actually Canadian doctors returning and this processed continued from 2003 to 2007 - Most recently according to the CIHI this number has virtually stagnated
@MadHabber93 Since US have had relations the number of doctors moving back and forth between the two nations has changed. But the US generally has attracted far more doctors from Canada then vice versa. Even the recent Doctors comming back are not actually net gains as we are simply gaining back SOME of what was lost. - A trend that is stagnating. As for BC MRI waits - I never claimed the median wait times were 18 months - This is a lie that you are telling about me in order to make me look....
@MadHabber93 ..bad and bully me out of the conversation. Yes the median wait time is 84 days, but again this number includes people who did not want to wait for a public MRI and went private instead. People in BC can wait up to 18 months for a MRI scan - In almost every developed nation on the planet, this is unacceptable. This results when Canada has a fraction of the diagnostic equipment of the US and other developed nations.
@ShayisWY For MRI times, no those numbers DO NOT include private MRI clinics. CIHI does not include private for profit clinics. Yes, Canada does have less MRI's but we use them 24/7. For your claim that the U.S. draws more, by number, yes. By per capita, let's see the proof.
@MadHabber93 MRI's are not operation 24/7 for general patients unless it is in a Hospital and an ER patient needs it - Even that is subjective to ones area. And they are most certainly not operational 24/7 if they are located in more a general clinical setting. These are almost the exact words of the Radiology dept at Royal Columbian Hospital in BC. Call them yourself 604-875-4165
@ShayisWY My buddy, whose had 2 brain tumor surgeries, and whom I'm leaving to have a beer with in 20 minutes, had his MRI last week at 2 am. THe Royal in B.C. might be different. It still goes against your premise or misleading claim of 18 months. You know damn well patients who need urgent MRI's don't wait. How long does one wait in the States if the can't afford it??
@MadHabber93 People can wait up to 18 months for a MRI, there are hordes of evidence to support it. If you go into the hospital with a cracked skull you can get an MRI quick, but if you are being referred by a specialist for a non ER situation you have to wait your turn. I would rather be broke than dead. Canadians do and have died waiting. Heck a survey in Alberta found that out of 1200 lung cancer patients 250 died of waiting .....
@ShayisWY Again, if there are hordes of evidence to support 18 months wait times, produce them. Provide a link. I provided one showing median times of 80 days for NON URGENT CARE. You would rather be broke than dead?? Please. A survery is NOT a study. Those 250 died of what?? Your evidence is weak to non-existence. Opinions are fine, and you are entitled to them. Too bad you are the VERY small minority in this country. Tell me, what is your age?
@MadHabber93 .... I do put a grain of salt in this statistic as how many lung cancer patients would have died even if they got treatment? This is also the same reason the 45,000 who wie without insurance should be viewed with a grain of salt and various other reasons other note. Any study that uses a regressive approach to statistical modelling should be viewed with great skpeticism regardless of political bias or neutrality
@ShayisWY A study by the 2nd ranked University in the WORLD should be taken with a grain of salt. I asked you for exact evidence showing Canadians are dying waiting for care, yet you produce a survey. Which is better than anyone else has been able to produce when I've asked for evidence, but still means jack shit. Do we wait for non-life threatening surgery, sure we do. But it sure the hell is better than not getting that surgery at all or having an insurance company tell me I can't have it.
@MadHabber93 It was a professor at that University who did that study that was funded by NGO's The proff who did this has already stated he has a bias in the subject. It is biased crap. He surveyed 9000 people in several years leading up to 1994. Ten years later 350 respondents died, he concluded each and every one died as a result of no insurance. He also made the assumption in the 10 years they all retained maintained there no insurance status, which is not true.
@MadHabber93 Most people, who are without insurance, regain it within a year. Furthermore another flaw is that most people who don't have insurance elect not to have any, but can either afford it, fall within medicare/aid, or are temporary or illegal immigrants. Furthermore he did not disclose the demographic of the people surveyed - are they all old? Young?
Funny how you don't mention another study on the same issue and is 65 times larger with a smaller margin of ....
@ShayisWY You are using all the bullshit talking points coming from the U.S. right. What larger more comprehensive studies show opposite results. I quoted the 45k, as its the most recent. Another one done a few years back pegged the number at 18K. Of course you, and ones with your ideology, say its flawed because it doesn't support your position. But what am I thinking. You would definitely know better than those poorly educated at Harvard. Rolling eyes.
@MadHabber93 BS and this why you are unable to refute anything I said? As for Harvard, Harvard did not commision the study you dumbass, it was a prof at Harvard, whose funding came froma few NGO's trying to promote national health care. Funny as someone who "claims" to university educated is implying studies using regressive statistical methods are reputable. When you extrapolate to reflect that a tiny study base represent the whole population using regression, you have a huge margin of error ..
@ShayisWY Refute what?? I asked you to supply this apparent comprehensive study that,as you claim, shows the opposite results as the Harvard study. How can I refute something YOU HAVEN"T PROVIDED????
And what exactly are your credentials??? Thought so.
@MadHabber93 i have cited several studies and have already refuted this study as several have as well. you cite bias garbage that suits your point of view without looking at the issue critically.
I never post my occupation on here or any of my personal details. Unlike you who creates a litte narrative about being a Bio-Chem major in an attempt to bully other posters out of the conversation. I don't need to create an alternate reality for myself to make me feel better.
@MadHabber93 using a regressive approach. Are thoses statisticians wrong and regressive approach and blind assumptions about your study base is the way to go. You are assuming that his numbers are the highest and therefore trumps everyone else without considering the bias involved. You have a perception and you are simply finding evidence trying to make that perception a reality - You essentially formed a conclusion first and then look for the evidence. You are like every policat fan boy alive
"Another one done a few years back pegged the number at 18K" With that statement you are essentially pretending you know I the study I was talking about. The study I was referring to completed over 600,000 from 1986 to 2000, whereas your friend surveys ended in 1994 and were only 9000. Your friend never conducted any follow up with the subjects to see if they maintained they lack of insurance status or if there health status, habits changed.The only time he heard back from them
@ShayisWY And I still don't know what study you are talking from 86 to 2000. If you have it, post the fucking link and quit playing games. Until then, go crawl back under your ideological rock. It must really burn your ass that you live in a country that 90% of its population supports medicare and not Private for profit care? Here's an idea...move. Your Utopia is just miles south. Maybe you can make one of those 45K for 2011. ;) Of course, that will probably be more like 80K now.
No worries and private care is becomming more and more common place and represents a larger portion of the health spending year by year. And as the demographics change here in Canada to a more Asian based population, the figure is bound to change. Yes us Asians represent a near majority in key economic centres such as here in Vancouver. At any time the Canadian health act is only a Supreme court rulling away from being quashed. People are happy over the perception it is free, when it's not
I wouldn't trade the NHS in Britain for the USA system if you paid me.
I wouldn't wish the American system on anyone.
MrVillamike 4 days ago
Canada health Care is the Best. I can go from Vancouver to Newfoundland and not worry about receiving treatment if I'm screwed up.
JaybayJay 6 days ago
Canadian healthcare is horrible. Healthcare in the U.S. is also a disaster. They are both socialistic healthcare systems.The fact that Canadians say they like their healthcare shows how much propaganda the government spews. It is in no way a reflection of the quality of Canadian healthcare. We need Liberty! We need Capitalism!
ecnerwal999 1 month ago
@ecnerwal999 So we are sooo insecure and lost as a people in Canada that we can't make our own decision that Canadian's fully support our system??? Spare me.
MadHabber93 4 weeks ago
@ecnerwal999 wow..you just got shot and are bleeding and dying? whats your credit card number give it to me NOW or you dont get treated.Thats Capitalism.And to compare U.S. as socialist healthcare..please..go to school.
moocowdad 2 weeks ago
@moocowdad I should go to school?!! You just outlined a completely ridiculous unrealistic scenario. Never does that ever happen in real life and your're forgetting an extremely relevant point. In a free market health-care providers have to compete so if you need care urgently they can't charge you anything they want. And if a company did try to black mail you like that they would lose all their reputability and go bankupt very quickly as they lose all their customers.
ecnerwal999 1 week ago
@moocowdad Also, if you did your research you would realize that the U.S. healthcare system is socialistic. The AMA restricts the amount of doctors. The government subsidizes insurance through the tax code creating a third party payer system. The government created medicare/medicaid. A lot of doctors are shutting down because they're losing money. Why are they losing money if they're ripping off their customers?
ecnerwal999 1 week ago
Saskatchewan Workers' Compensation Board - Home
Independent government agency responsible for the no-fault system of compensation and rehabilitation of occupational accidents and diseases.
DUH...dumbass, there goes your theory that workers comp isn't a government run program;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA It is an INDEPENDANT agency that RECEIVES NO GOV"T MONEY. It all comes from employers. Learn the difference lunatic boy.
MadHabber93 4 months ago
The dirty secret of conventional dentistry is this: those "silver fillings" aren't silver. They are mainly mercury – and mercury, of course, is a virulent neurotoxin that can kill babies in the womb, can cause permanent brain damage to children, and can cause irreversible kidney damage in adults (among many other things).
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
Canadians: The chief dental officer of Health Canada doubles as a lobbyist for the pro-mercury World Dental Federation. Pretty outrageous, eh? We ask that you write Minister of Environment Canada Peter Kent at Minister@ec.gc.ca, and tell him that you as a taxpayer are amazed that Environment Canada is letting someone with such a conflict of interest influence the nation's treaty policy on amalgam. Ask him why Environment Canada is silent on amalgam?
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
Try getting a diagnosis. I can't believe how many people have to going to the doctors again, and again, and again. Now we are hiring more doctors and nurses. If they did their job the first time - they wouldn't need to hire a bunch more! We don't need more doctors we need doctors that care, listen, and do something for your condition!
MyWittsend3 4 months ago
in 2007 nan ortho surgeon planning to operate on shoulder requested an MRI with contrast;
wcb provided the mri without contrast;
results; possible small tear;
the ortho surgeon was pissed and made wcb provide a 2nd mri with contrast;
results of mri with contrast;
totally torn shoulder labrum, contrast leaked everywhere;
this is PROOF how workers comp minimizes injury, and denies Doctors requested medical diagnostic test, to deny
the severity of injury and deny appropriate medical care;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
i also ckd out boise id as they also had a sit stand mri, they said 2800 but when i tryed to book they said they were no longer in business;
go to the FONAR website and read about the UCLA study;
there is a 40% miss rate in recumbent mri's compared to the sit stand fonar mri
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
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EVERY BIT OF DATA I HAVE PROVES THE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS A TOTAL F/ N FARCE;
18 MONTHS AND 28 DOCTORS TO DIAGNOSE A BROKEN BACK;
6 ORTHO SURGEONS AND 3 NEUROSURGEONS MISS SPINAL INJURY FOR 5+ years and when finally diagnosed denied treatment?
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@tindallpe ....actually you are right,,,,,I am going to the USA for medical treatment due to the f/n uselessness
Canadian Health Care System of DENIALS;
I agree, I need psychiatric care after all the BOZO doctors I have seen in Canada who falsified medical reports and caused me to develop PTSD due to their useless fn BS;
CANADA HEALTH CARE IS USELESS AND IS KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH DENIALS OF DIAGNOSTICS TESTS, DENIAL OF TIMELY MEDICAL DIAGNOSE / TREATMENT;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIXWADA Guess what.I think you are lying about going to the US for treatmentand. If I am right that would make you a hypocrite as well as a liar. Maybe you can see that ,in fact, YOU are partially responsible for your situation. You could have gone south long ago.You could have requested to do so. There are things you could have done to help yourself that you didn't do.All you ever did was complain. You do need psychiatric help that will assist you in not being such a whining dilusional burden
tindallpe 4 months ago
@tindallpe .........I did go south long ago but due to the canadian doctor was refused the specialized mri;
i am out $1000 just for airfare and rental car.
i have contacted an attorney now so will keep you up to date via this video;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Oh you did go south and again you failed.Why the hell didn't you make sure the "MRI" would be available to you before you left.You just can't win can you?Did the Canadian DR. know you were on your way down then call ahead and have them fuck you over before you got ther?Just asking.
tindallpe 4 months ago
@tindallpe .....i made numerous calls and sent numerous faxs to the seattle sit / stand mri clinic;
I wanted a complete mri of my whole spine from tip of tailbone to the top of my head; I made it perfectly clear to everyone involved; i was quoted $4500+ for everything; yet when i arrived i was denied; when questioning the centre i was told that they wouldn't due a complete spinal mri; that is not what I requested and that is not what they said; they promised me a complete spinal mri, LIARS
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA It sounds to me no matter what you do no one will touch you.Hell they wont even let you pay for it in the US. I wish I could feel some compasion here but it just isn't happening.You blame the Canadian system and then you blame the American system for not providing you with an MRI that you say you were going to pay for and they wouldn't even take your money.Your story is almost Unbelievable.uhh hhmm.
tindallpe 4 months ago
@tindallpe .......no the reason the mri was refused was because the Canadian Doctor bungled the order for the mri
and i wasn't about to pay for a test that wouldn't show my spinal injury;
like i said it was finally diagnosed anyhow, but has been denied treatment requested on my behalf;
but this will all come out in court; stay tuned;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
Respond to this video... in 2007 i flew to Seattle for specialized mri of spine; after triple cking everything was good to go; (I was assured it was. )
However on arrival at Seattle Sit/Stand MRI center, i was denied the very test ,
when i returned to the doctor who botched the request for the mri, he stated to me that he had received a call from government health services about me but wouldn't tell me what was said;
he did say however that i would not receive medical care in Canada
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA "when i returned to the doctor who botched the request for the mri, he stated to me that he had received a call from government health services about me but wouldn't tell me what was said;"
That explains a lot.
"the Canadian Doctor wouldn't order a simple x-ray, he proceeded to insinuate that i was on drugs, (cocaine)"
Also explains a lot.
I've been right the whole time.
They don't want to deal with you. You've probably been a pain in the ass person to deal with.
MadHabber93 4 months ago
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@MadHabber93 .........like i said before....i refuse to debate with reprobates;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@MadHabber93 Oh man.I've seen your debating skills and I have no idea why you bother with this dillusional outcast. Everyone comes to the same conclusion in the end with this "Funny Fellow"But yes you have pegged him;nothing but a massive pain in the ass.Could you imagine this baggage showing up in your office,for any reason? He has all the predisposed" visions".He's nothing but a burden. I have a pet too on another channel and it's not that punk loser deacon although he's fun
tindallpe 4 months ago
@tindallpe For me, I guess it comes down to being there when this lunatic spews his lies and holding him accountable to them. Of course, he never does. And I believe your assessment, like mine, is bang on. I couldn't imagine having a guy like this as a patient. I think no matter what you do or don't diagnose him with, he'll never be happy with it. Oh well. I've gotten to the point where I throw my hands up. Its not and he's not really worth my time. Good job on Deacon btw.
MadHabber93 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA GEEEZ Isn't three hours long enough to research the cost of a"Specialized MRI" in the US? Yes ok. You keep me up to date>
tindallpe 4 months ago
CANADIANS BEWARE;
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IN CANADA IS A BIG LIE;
WHAT YOU GET IS MULTIPLE PRESCRIPTIONS TO TREAT SYMPTOMS;
YOU WILL BE DENIED TIMELY DIAGNOSE AND TIMELY TREATMENT;
IF AND WHEN YOU ARE PROPERLY DIAGNOSED, YOU WILL THEN BE DENIED TREATMENT; THEN YOU DIE;
YOUR ONLY HOPE IS TO GO TO USA OR ANOTHER COUNTRY;
BECAUSE IN CANADA, YOU GET;
BUTCHERED BY DOCTORS LIKE DR. RICHARD AUSTIN WHO THE COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS / SURGEONS PROTECT; WATCH W5 IF U DON'T BELIEVE ME;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
you fkn Canadian people are so ignorant and oblivious to what is really going on it is utterly ridiculous; PRIME EXAMPLE;
JACK LAYTON; R.I.P.
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
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Jeff's only treatment option in Saskatchewan was chemotherapy, so the Lukyes turned to the Mayo Clinic. Specialists there told them that his only option for survival was extremely radical surgery.
and he would have died in canada, so theirs your proof moronic internet troll....
FIXWCBCANADA 5 months ago
You can go on to stats Canada if you really want actual stats of Canada.
mutva 5 months ago
Canadian healthcare is the best in North America, and probably unmatched in the world as far as treatment and care. I have never heard anyone complain about our system, and we realize that our taxes are spread out to help those that can't afford it, but hey, that's just Canadians caring about their own....unlike the selfish bastards in the US. with the mine-mine attitude...just sayin!
Mannixxx 5 months ago
listen moran, ask people on the waiting list, who are dying, don't make facts out of your loony mind.
madnero12 6 months ago
@madnero12 Is his last name Moran?
MadHabber93 6 months ago
could be, but even if not, it would be a suitable replacement.
madnero12 6 months ago
@madnero12 I was trying to point out that its not 'moran' but moron
MadHabber93 6 months ago
Thanks for the correction. sometimes I write these comments when I am really sleepy. I only wrote about this idiot, cuz I was making a Speech on The Cons of the Universal Health Care and this moron came my way.
madnero12 5 months ago
Cancer patients wait -- 6 or more months and most do not make it.
MRI - 4 or more months.
Neurosurgery - 1 year or more.
And so on.
Basic economics "moron" Demand is high and resources are limited go figure out.
madnero12 5 months ago
@madnero12 Most do not make it? 5 year survival rates in Canada are virtually identical. Waits are about 2 weeks, not 6 months. you are GROSSLY misinformed.
MRI wait times for urgent care is that day.
My friend has had 2 open brain surgeries. Both urgently done. Life saved.
All this, with no bankruptcies, or 2 million Americans forgoing cancer treatment due to cost. But hey, keep drinking the koolaide, then learn to spell MORON!
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@madnero12 Are you kidding me!? My dad felt a bit sick one day and his arm went numb. He got an MRI the day after seeing the doctor and another booked for the week after JUST IN CASE to compare brain scans! Good thing too, since if it had taken the time you say, he would have had treatment too late and would not have lived as long as he did. Knowing my dad, he would not have bothered seeing a doctor if it cost money like in America and would have died within a couple months.
000snow000 5 months ago
The dumbest part of your video is at the end when you say I can either step in front or step aside, the miracle of socialism is I don't have to step at all, it's provided for me. Why work hard for free candy, it's slightly a joke, this is bad teaching.
MrMajungatholus1 6 months ago
The Appellant also stated that after the MRI, the waiting list for elective surgery would be at least 2 years subject to cancellations;
Rationed medical care in Canada;
MRI findings – his back was destroyed due to previous treatment. [The Appellant] is angry about this, because at the time he was attending chiro, he complained to his injury rep at the time that he didn’t think chiro was helping him and he wanted to discontinue – BUT – his rep. said –NO- you have to go! So he complied.
FIXWCBCANADA 6 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Your anecdotal story from WORKMAN'S COMP means fuck all. I waited 10 days for an MRI, urgent MRI's are given RIGHT AWAY. You are great with stories TERRIBLE with facts.
MadHabber93 6 months ago
Your right on with this video sir, thanks for saying it like it is.
mastertheillusion 6 months ago
watch this video;( Dr. David Janda explains rationing and why Dr. Rob Steele must defeat Dingell.)
This is a video explaining what waits for americans who are to be neglected .
By American health care;
Canada was a testing ground for this NEW YORK shell game, taking tax money from Canadians then denying them medical care to cause their demise;
survey of % of people don't include people who are DEAD;
when are you going to wake-up to Agenda 21 and planned depopulation?
FIXWCBCANADA 6 months ago
i paid my taxes for 40 years and if I knew I would have been lied to about UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE for everyone, which is denied with discrimination if you are injured on the job; You say 85% of all Canadians are HAPPY with health care in Canada;
What about the other 15%, of Canadians? Just how many of the 85% of Canadians have never needed any real health care? I never needed any health care until I was injured on the job, and was quite oblivious to how bad the Canadian Health care really is;
FIXWCBCANADA 6 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA That 85% WHO HAVE received healthcare. You were injured on THE JOB, therefore YOU ARE NOT under the Unversal System but under the PRIVATELY run Workman's comp. If they decide you are OK, you have no recourse. Under the province, you and the doctor have all the power, and will get great TIMELY care. Just like 99% of the country. Of course, you are too FUCKING STUPID to separate the two. You are a FUCKING TROLL, that needs to get laid and move out of your parents basement.
MadHabber93 6 months ago
@MadHabber93 ,,,, RESULTS; your the troll MORON ,,,go to Can LII and start reading about how Canada Health Care is RATIONED; There are hundreds of thousands of cases were people who are injured are denied timely diagnose and timely medical care in Canada;
I would be willing to bet you are a health care worker, or insurance company employee who is providing disinformation to protect your greedy scam;
FYI; I do not live in my parents basement, and my sex life has FA to due with denial of medical
FIXWCBCANADA 6 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA In a way your sex life (lack thereof) is a reflection of your lack of attention in the Canadian system. If you are not (getting any) it is probably because you are an asshole.Your services are governed by a Private Insusrance Organization called the Workers Compensation Board(WI) and for whatever reason they have chosen to screw you over. Private ins. in the US has the same power and pull this shit all the time on the entire populaton;not just one loser
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe ,,,wtf does my sex life have to due with being denied medical care?
I get as much sex as I want from my wife, so that has fk / all to due with me;
what you state is just another dumb ass comment from another dumb ass moronic loser.
FYI: workers comp can only screw you around with the help of lying doctors.
The Canada \Universal Health Care System is a BIG LIE;
why don't they just treat a person as a patient?
because that would cost money;
FIXWCBCANADA 5 months ago
In Canada you get;
Patient abuse or neglect is any action or failure to act which causes unreasonable suffering, misery or harm to the patient. It includes physically striking or sexually assaulting a patient. It also includes withholding of necessary food, physical care, and medical attention. It applies to various contexts such as hospitals, nursing homes, clinics and home visits.[37]
FIXWCBCANADA 6 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA You forgot to add two things. One, it rarely, rarely happens. Especially since 85% of Canadians rate the care they have received very highly. And two, Canada is not alone in this abuse. BUt don't let the FACTS get in the way of your HORSESHIT!!!!!!!!
MadHabber93 6 months ago
just as a CANADIAN I just don't get it,...WHY are the patients who need surgery being DENIED the UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE they so desperately need. Canadians are so ignorant and oblivious to whats happening right under their noses it's rather sickening and down-right FRAUDULENT; and PROVES that CANADIAN'S PAY TAXES AND GET NO MEDICAL CARE,then are forced to go to were-ever;out of country because of all the CORRUPTION, try paying off your doctor in CANADA if you need medical care,
FIXWCBCANADA 6 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Just as a Canadian, I don't get. Why do you continue to tell LIES based on YOUR experience with Workman's comp, that 99% of Canadians aren't affected by?? Are you insane?? Do you smoke crack? Are you a lunatic?? Yup, all the above!!!
MadHabber93 6 months ago 8
@MadHabber93 like i said before....i refuse to debate with reprobates;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA There is no debating FUCKING LUNATICS.
You can't win a debate when all you have are anecdotes and lies. Good for you FAT ASS!!!
MadHabber93 4 months ago
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@MadHabber93 .....like i said before....i refuse to debate with reprobates;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@MadHabber93 ,,,,,funny you should mention smoking crack,,,In 2006 desperate for timely diagnose treatment
i took all information off website documenting how to diagnose spinal injury;
the Canadian Doctor wouldn't order a simple x-ray, he proceeded to insinuate that i was on drugs, (cocaine)
he also stated that, Quote:
"Your just chasing your shadow?"
In December 2009 i was diagnosed with exactly what i was saying and the diagnose was
missed by 6 ortho surgeons and 3 neurosurgeons;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Just as a Canadian I just don't get it...why would 99.9% of Canadians be aware of YOUR situation with workman's comp since they aren't UNDER ITS CONTROL?? Try paying off your doctor?? We don't need to. We are FULLY covered nitwit!!
MadHabber93 6 months ago
Canada does not have nationalized health care and no nationalized health insurance plan. Health insurance plans vary from province to province... a fact that most Americans and some Canadians don't understand.
GoneBiking83 7 months ago
canadian health care system is terrible. overpaid doctors and nurses that need a raise every 3 weeks and constantly complain about thier work.
canada is a horrible place, filled with horrible people.
brian7125 7 months ago
@brian7125 Wow, aren't you just a ray of sunshine Brian. Here's a suggestion if you are currently living here...MOVE!
MadHabber93 7 months ago
@MadHabber93 , id love to move from Harperland, Where you cant do squat unless your licenced, registered and a card carrying cuntservative.
Canada, the most over regulated, over taxed, over rated and over-governed society on earth.
Stick your canada and its health care system straight up your sad frozen canadian ass.
brian7125 7 months ago
@brian7125 Gee, that's weird, its going to be in the 70's today here in what I believe to be the same city as you. My ass is nice and warm thanks. But why not we meet downtown and I'll throw you in the sink hole dipshit!!!! Fuckin putz, move already and do us all a favour.
MadHabber93 7 months ago
@MadHabber93 , ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww internet tough guy! FUCK YOU
brian7125 7 months ago
@brian7125 eewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Internet IDIOT!!! Fuck you too sunshine. Btw, nice voice on your vids. Got your nuts in a vice or something?? Bwah ha ha ha ha ha. Port Huron is a short drive away asshole. Pick your sorry ass up from the couch and go already.
You're the same type of moron that bitches about a country or healthcare system, but will be the first to cry about it after its taken away from them.
Nice wrestling videos. Time to grow up now.
MadHabber93 7 months ago
Well this twerp is a total liar. He claims his responses from Canadians were 99% in favor of the Canada Universal system. Yet reading the first ten comments below from Canadians were 9 out of 10 being NEGATIVE comments about CanadaCare, and most were POSITIVE towards American healthcare.
Every time I have taken my Mother up to Rochester MN to the Mayo Clinic, I always see as many Canadians there as Americans, because of the Canada Care system just does not work for everyone. Britethorn=FAIL
bjjuhl 8 months ago
@bjjuhl Google Canadians satisfaction of our healthcare system & you will see poll after poll showing that 80 to 90% of Canadians are more than satisfied with our healthcare & would never want a U.S style, for profit, Private insurance controlled system.
Based on your comments, you've never heard the term 'anecdotal evidence'. I suggest you look up the definition. While your at it, google the STUDY Phantoms in the SNow, which concluded that a lot of Canadians going south for care is a myth.
MadHabber93 8 months ago
@bjjuhl my brother was diagnosed with cancer 2 weeks ago. had surgery the next day and has had radiation therapy every day since then. my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer and had surgery 2 days later to remove the tumor. a lady i work with was diagnosed with bowel cancer and recieved surgery within 3 days of being diagnosed. these people you are seeing crossing the border are people who have been diagnosed with non life threatening illnesses. Canadian and proud of our health care
ogopogo5050 7 months ago
I am a Canadian....I needed back surgery and because I was under 18 at the time, was allowed into Sick Kids Hospital....A Canadian hospital....I have never been treated better in my life, they did not put off the surgery even though they could have AND if you cheek out Sick Kids Hospital Toronto Canada, you will learn it is one of the best Hospitals in the world
knrose10 8 months ago
@knrose10 st.jude hospital does not turn any children away because of their inability to pay.same with choc hospital they are the best in the world.both american hospitals.
cassidy99ful 8 months ago
there is no question that canadians like their system, however many canadians die waiting for diagnose / treatment; In fact, universal health care is a big lie; why due you think so many canadians go to the USA for diagnose / treatment
USA has better technology and can diagnose conditions better than canada.
FIXWCBCANADA 9 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA With the exception of Canadians of 'Canadians like their system" none of what you have written is actually true nor can be backed up. A few people going south for care is NOT many. And no study supports that we die waiting for care, Canadian hospitals have the SAME technology as U.S. hospitals. But hey, don't let the FACTS slap in the face for the MILLIONTH TIME dumbass!!
MadHabber93 9 months ago 13
@MadHabber93 ..The Canada Health Act Discriminates Against Injured
Workers By Excluding Them From "Access To Health Services Without Financial Or Other Barriers" By Excluding "Any Health Services That A Person Is Entitled To And Eligible For Under Any Act Of The legislature Of A Province That Relates To Workers' Or Workmen's Compensation" And That This Leaves Injured Workers Vulnerable To Wrongdoing By The Workers Compensation System;
FIXWCBCANADA 7 months ago
@MadHabber93 ....your the dumb ass...the canadian system is sadly pathetic;
FIXWCBCANADA 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Jeff's only treatment option in Saskatchewan was chemotherapy, so the Lukyes turned to the Mayo Clinic. Specialists there told them that his only option for survival was extremely radical surgery.
and he would have died in canada, so theirs your proof moronic internet troll....
FIXWCBCANADA 5 months ago
Respond to this video... SASKATOON -- The widow of a man who died of cancer after allegedly being misdiagnosed and incorrectly treated is suing the Saskatchewan Cancer Agency (SCA) and at least three Saskatoon doctors for more than $1 million.
Crystal Bonderud alleges doctors were negligent in treating her husband, 38-year-old Doug Bonderud, who died last October..
FIXWCBCANADA 5 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA For the billionth time, look up the term anecdotal evidence YOU FUCKIN IDIOT. Not to mention you posted Jeff's case before you lunatic. And here's a newsflash fucknut, negligence happens in EVERY system. For every Jeff and Crystal there are thousands upon thousands of lives saves in our system. You are just too FUCKING STUPID to see it.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Edward was himself diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2009, but doctors in Saskatchewan told him surgery wasn't an option for him. "Mr. Tchorzewski went out-of-country and it saves his life," she said. "He's a 72-year-old pensioner and it cost him almost $60,000, a bill the minister has yet to pay."
Oh and i guess you think Canada has such a wonderful system you fucken moronic asshole
FIXWCBCANADA 5 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Hey can we get pure, academic evidence from a source that is credible? Can you provide us with a link or something? I want to see it.
gng11 5 months ago
@gng11 .......google PUBMED, you will find a vast amount of evidence.
FIXWCBCANADA 5 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Academic evidence?
gng11 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Do you mean Google Scholar? Here's one Google search for you: "Don't write off the Canadian health care system" by Denver Lewellen from UC Berkeley. Now that's pure academic stuff.
gng11 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA You are one individual that was centered out by a private insurance firm in Canada called "The Workers Safety And Insurance Board". For some reason they either didn't believe you or conflict started some how and you have been in a situation whereby you are being excluded. That is exactly what happens in the US every day not just to one loser. You have your sight dedicated to your contempt for Canadian medicine and the country itself. I wouldn’t help you either.
tindallpe 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 ....YOU STATE THAT CANADIAN HOSPITALS HAVE THE SAME TECHNOLOGY AS USA HOSPITALS,,,,,THEN EXPLAIN TO ME WHY CANADIANS ARE DENIED SURGERY TO SAVE THEIR LIVES;
DUH, HOW FKEN STUPID DUE YOU THINK WE ARE?
CRAWL BACK UNDER YOUR ROCK AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST STATED;
YOUR INTERNET TROLLING AND BLATANT LYING ABOUT CANADA'S BIGGEST LIE;
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IN CANADA IS A BIG LIE; (THEN U DIE ) DENIED MEDICAL CARE;
FIXWCBCANADA 5 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA How stupid 'due' you think we are? I think you are very fucking stupid because its 'do you think' not 'due you think'. Dumbass.
Again, although I know you are too stupid to understand, look up the term anecdotal evidence YOU FUCKING MORON!!!
And what does technology have to do with denial?? Fucking twit. Not to mention the millions that are denied care due to cost in the States.
The only troll here is you fucknut. Nice.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Why don’t you cross the border, find a good hospital and a good doctor and pay for your shit you fuckwit instead of spending a life time bitching about how you got fucked by private insurance. Everything you’ve gotten or didn’t get was FREE. SO go pay for it and shut the fuck up Canadas system is approved by 85% of the population .That is a very high exceptance rate
tindallpe 5 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA . Some believe the US system is great There are at least 40 million that don't think that and another 25% that are insured that don't think that; nor do the ones who have gone bankrupt.I have a suggestion for you since you got fucked over by private insurance (WSIB) here
tindallpe 5 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA I will agree with you on one point The workers Compensation Board is a callous, manipulative, brutal organization that is in dyer need of reform and accountablity.They do not represent the Canadian medical system.That is where I disagree.
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe I've been telling this lunatic the samething for over a year on here, yet he keeps posting the same shit. Honestly, I truly believe he has serious mental issues.
MadHabber93 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 Hang in there MadHabber.Their attempt at reform down there has failed.The single payer system cannot function by forcing the purchasing of private insurance.Americans think that is what we have to some extent The insurance companies have won in their war on perception in the US.It'sover It doesn't mean we are going to put up with letting their news organizations and propaganda machines slander our system.The more I hear the more pissed I become even though they are the losers not us
tindallpe 5 months ago
@MadHabber93 He is probably just sitting around with his medical marajuana dreaming up ways to fuck the system and hasn't worked in 10 years
tindallpe 5 months ago
@tindallpe FYI....if you have nothing better to due but slander and libel people get ready to defend yourself in Queens Bench Court;
what u got to say about that f-face;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@tindallpe ........................FYI; I was just denied requested medical treatment from the KANGAROO COURT;
known as workers compensation;
duh,,,,, wtf.......6 ortho surgeons / 3 neurosurgeons missed a spinal injury;
UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IN CANADA IS A BIG FKEN LIE;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Well why don't you go to the US for treatment?It sounds like you would be a perfect candidate.
tindallpe 4 months ago
@tindallpe ....actually you are right,,,,,I am going to the USA for medical treatment due to the f/n uselessness
Canadian Health Care System of DENIALS;
I agree, I need psychiatric care after all the BOZO doctors I have seen in Canada who falsified medical reports and caused me to develop PTSD due to their useless fn BS;
CANADA HEALTH CARE IS USELESS AND IS KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE WITH DENIALS OF DIAGNOSTICS TESTS, DENIAL OF TIMELY MEDICAL DIAGNOSE / TREATMENT;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@MadHabber93 and you believe all the Government spoon fed statistics, you are a true MORONIC IDIOT;
U state Canadian Hospitals have the same technology? we don't even have a MRI machine, so how the fk can u say that?
HARPER would rather spend 1 billion on security than help Canadians;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIANADA" We don't have an MRI machine". You are hilarious .But I see that Madhbber was right. Your are sick.Fortunately everyone can now see that in no way are you to be taken seriously.You are probably to the point where you seeing things.Just from these comments I would recommend you get psyciatric help.If you apply now you should get FREE treatment in about two months. You could go to the emergency and if they find you are suicidal it would be immediate. If you're smoking "Get OFF The POT
tindallpe 4 months ago
Respond to this video... WOW are you ever out of touch with REALITY;
But what can u expect from another self centered egotistical dumb-ass;
the reality in Canada is;
Agenda 21 , depopulation is in full force;
we are being poisoned with chem trails ,,, watch the movie "what in the world are they spraying"
our water is weaponized with fluoride; this is rat poison so drink up;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA " agree, I need psychiatric care "
That pretty much sums it up you FUCKING LUNATIC.
Get the help you need and stop wasting our doctor's time on a lame ass, fucking pot head like you.
The mind is a terrible thing to waste.
MadHabber93 4 months ago
@MadHabber93 .............Rowat suggested in the house Wednesday that Powers’ surgery was cancelled once officials learned he was not a Manitoba resident, and he died while waiting for the two provincial governments to sort out his case.
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Wow another 'story'. Good for you.
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@MadHabber93 ............Jeff's only treatment option in Saskatchewan was chemotherapy, so the Lukyes turned to the Mayo Clinic. Specialists there told them that his only option for survival was extremely radical surgery.
and he would have died in canada, so theirs your proof moronic internet troll....
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
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@MadHabber93 ........IN CANADA HERE IS WHAT AWAITS YOU WHEN YOU NEED SURGERY;
BUTCHERED BY DOCTORS LIKE DR. RICHARD AUSTIN WHO THE COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS / SURGEONS PROTECT; WATCH W5 IF U DON'T BELIEVE ME;
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
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@MadHabber93 .........IN CANADA HERE IS WHAT AWAITS YOU WHEN YOU NEED SURGERY;
BUTCHERED BY DOCTORS LIKE DR. RICHARD AUSTIN WHO THE COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS / SURGEONS PROTECT; WATCH W5 IF U DON'T BELIEVE ME;
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FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
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@MadHabber93 ...............Jeff's only treatment option in Saskatchewan was chemotherapy, so the Lukyes turned to the Mayo Clinic. Specialists there told them that his only option for survival was extremely radical surgery.
and he would have died in canada, so theirs your proof moronic internet troll....
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@MadHabber93 ,,,,blah,,,,blah....blah,,,,,,i challenge you to eat your shorts on youtube if I PROVE to you everything I say is true....! are you up for the offer.....?
FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Your proof are anecdotal stories that prove fuck all. A little story here and there doesn't change the FACT that 85% of Canadians are more than happy with the excellent care they have received. Does that mean that its 100% perfect, no, nothing is you fucking tool.
Every system, and I mean every system, will have malpractice. You are trying to paint your situation, or the few cherry picked stories off the net, as the norm. WHICH IT IS FAR FROM YOU FUCKING LUNATIC.
MadHabber93 4 months ago
@FIXWCBCANADA Just out of curiosity ,how much did they want to charge you for the Specialized MRI.?
tindallpe 4 months ago
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FIXWCBCANADA 4 months ago
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I posted a web page titled "Conservative, Liberal or Neither" by JJ Rousso
You will be surprised (or not) learning whom both leading parties represent.
It is on the same blog as below.
If you are interested to an entirely different perspective....then just Google search "The History of Banking Fraud - Short Inspiring Stories by Bill Woollam"
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
That is my point. When corporatists have lobbied OECD member nations, one at a time, over the last 40 years to reduce corporate taxes, hundreds of billions of dollars of potential government revenue have been lost, yearly. No revenues=no monies to fund the Universal healthcare properly=no monies to fund public education properly. The con is that Corporations, after pressing govts to lower tax rates,claim that low rates are worth it. If the rates were never lowered at all business would carry on
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji Taxation revenues of course go up and down on a year by year basis given the multiple variables within an economy, but as a whole in the OECD they have not declined and have went up per capita, not down. Though I have criticized Canadian education in relation to US education. Canadian education is very high on the world stage. Depending on who you talk to Canadians have the second most educated population in the world, but I do have my criticisms about that.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
In Canada you get low medical technology, long wait lists, wait lists to get on wait lists;
EXAMPLE; In Canada there is 1 Fonar MRI machine; and that one is in Kamloops BC.
It is a private facility and can charge whatever it wants;
FONAR MRI has shown there is a 40% miss rate in the diagnose of lumbar pathology, yet the Canadian Medical System does not own any of these machines;
Go to the FONAR MRI site and read all about Dr. Damadian and how he was screwed out of the Nobel Prize;
FIXWCBCANADA 9 months ago
i am canadian and i have never had to wait for any surgery or treatment which i have needed in the past. a lot of americans critisize the canadian healthcare without having any knowledge about it. I was born with polycystic kidney disease and go to the hospital once every week for checkups and treatments. if i lived in the US. i would be living on the streets by now. i cant imagine healcare any other way.
BreAnimalLove 9 months ago
Americans have been lied to. I compiled a blog titled "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" Just Google that.
The US health care system is one of the worst in the world and has been compromised by the US Administration, the Health Insurance and Management Offices, and American Medical Assoc.
Can., Britain, France,Cuba, Austalia have hassle free, debt-free, comprehensive, universal health plans where every citizen receives health care with no added costs
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji It did not deny 57 Million Americans. This number has been mainly disproven - When you factor in the upper middle class who by choice do not have insurance., illegals, temp Immigrants, and other Americans who are eligible for Medicare/Medicaid, but choose not to apply - The number is cut by over 90%.
US health care worst in the world? So this why Americans have such high survival rates of communicable diseases - more so than any other nation.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY Yes, insured Americans will find that Health Management Offices are profitting off of denying claims to insured Americans. Millions of insured Americans are denied claims.
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji Debt free? Considering nations like Britain that has 4 times the debt of the US (per capita) or here in Canada, where people are the most indebted individuals and households in the developed world. - You may want to rethink that statement.
Hassle free? Here in Vancouver if I am suspected of Cancer, I have to wait 3 months to see an Oncologist, and additional 3 months to get an MRI - among other examples - It is most certainly not hassle free.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY Debt free, meaning as a Canadian my family will not be bankrupted, as in the fifties, with medicare costs.
If there are wait lists it is due to underfunding by Government....Due to declining government revenues ....due to "corporate welfare"....due to cutting of billions of dollars of yearly government revenue by cutting combined corporate tax rates from 50% in the 1960s to 28% today.
Who did you vote for? Corporate friendly or people's party?
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
@ShayisWY If the Universal healthcare in Canada was properly funded, then all the concerns you keep mentioning would not be present. If you instead, allow Conservative and Liberal governments to reduce revenue income by reducing corporate taxation.....then Canadians can only blame themselves for sleeping while the store is being robbed. Where then comes the monies to fund a workable, functional and efficient healthcare and education system, when governments rubber-stamp Corporate Welfare?
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji Taxation is a fine line and what is the appropriate amount of taxation really depends on each economy. Taxes should be as high as they can, but not to discourage growth and lower revenue. Raising taxes does not necessarly raise revenue - case in point Canada has higher overall taxes than the US, but actually raises less tax revenue per capita than the US.But I am not saying that lowering taxes in Canada will raise more money as it all depends.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY In the OECD member nations governments were lobbied (economically coerced?) by international corporatists to lower corporate tax rates. It doesn't take a genius to see how corporate welfare came to exist, one lobbied nation at a time. And the corporative spin on it all? That OECD member nations must compete globally. What a fraud.
Collecting almost 25 % less corporate taxes leaves the coffers with 190 billion in less revenues, yearly.
In the US there are more tax loopholes.
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji You are applying one policy and assuming it applies to all. Please explain why Canada with more taxes raises less tax revenue per capita than the US? Also Hong Kong has very....VERY low levels of taxes and yet has some very comprehesive social services and little debt. If I have a taco stand and double the price of my Tacos, I will make less money and not double the money - Odd example, but demonstrates simply raising taxes does not necessarly raise revenue.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY Actually, if you read my blog titled: "Corporate Executives Deny 57 Million Americans Healthcare - by Bill Woollam" If you Google that.....You will learn that Canada has less combined Fed/State or Fed/Provincial corporate tax rates....and that the US collects less corporate tax per GDP than 30 of the 34 member OECD member nations. Your analogy about the TACOS sounds great , but over the last forty years under corporatism I have witnessed the declines in employment opportunities.
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji Declines in unemployment? industries die out while new ones are born. Honestly I refuse work to this day given the opportunities I have as seafarer with a mates certficate. My fiances brother who is a NDT in Wa. state and is being grabbed in all directions - You can become a NDT in mere months. You got a skill set that is either non existent or of little importance.... so?
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji 57 million? refuted by many including in part by the very people who created that number. The overwhelming majority falls into: Upper middle class or higher, those who qualify for medicare/aid, but choose not to apply, Temp immigrants and illegals. Furthermore many of the people who fall outside of the bracket have came forward stating they refused insurance as their own decsion. Do you not think people should have the right to refuse a relationship with their governement?
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY The Health Insurance Management industry makes its billions in yearly profits by denying claims to insured Americans. The fact remains the system is not there to benefit and treat the insured or uninsured, that wouldn't be profitable to the HMOs. Let Americans defend the set-up. Go for it. I just know that were I to contract cancer or tuberculosis or AIDS, under a Universal Health care set-up, I will be treated and not incur debt....whether poor or working or not.
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji I am not against having government run insurance at all and in fact I have defended peoples right to have a more comprehensive relation with their goverment. However it is my choice to define what relation I have with my government and that includes what I feel is my right to decide if I want government insurance, or private insurance.....or no insurance at all. Do you think the government has a greater sense of morality in regards to health needs than you?
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji People assume that Canadian health care is universal and is therefore free. Not true as one not all treatments are covered and this includes certain cancer treatments. We also pay for it through taxes, user fees, premiums, etc. Canadians do incur debt over paying taxes and some will even go bankrupt as a result. So you can't say our health care places no fiscal hardship on us. Furthermore Canadians as we have to wait longer for health care, will incur more unworkable days off
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji Corporatist welfare? Here in Canada and in the US the top 10% of all income earners pay over 50% of the taxes. The middle class represent a majority of the population, but pay under 50% of the taxes - Not a bad deal I'd say.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY My point entirely. The people who can most afford sharing of their wealth and who can most afford contributing to the government revenues....have lobbied for contracting out, out-sourcing of labor, de-unionized work force, de-regulation and further corp tax cuts....while complaining about the majority of the population making a decent wage to survive on. The hypocrisy is astounding.
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji And they are paying well over 1/2 of the taxes and more in proportion to their income. In fact I believe the middle class is not being taxed enough. Outsourced for labour? No offence, I can't speak on behalf of the US, here in Canada, unionized work places build some of the crapiest products we make like our boat building - complete and utter crap.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji By your logic nations such Norway Germany, France etc should be well off economically, more so than the US given higher levels of corporate and higher income taxes for high income levels, but these nations are a debt ridden mess and in the case of Norway has 8 times the debt of the US per capita and this is despite being an oil rich nation. - Even before the recent recession, these nations carried far more debt than the US (PC)
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY Last I checked, Germany and France, according to "Current account balance of payments As a percentage of GDP" are fairing better than the US. As is Sweden,, Switz, Netherlds, Norway, Luxemb, Japan, Italy, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Canada, Czek Republic, Belgium and even Australia.
Google search: OECD 50 Statistics from A to Z - Beta version The above countries all have income of GDP and investments per capita higher than that of USA.
Chidanandaji 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji Umm you are looking at one measure of debt. and deceitfully trying to portray it as total debt. Canada is doing better at a federal level, but the average Canadian province has nearly the 10 TIMES the debt of the average American state, 100's of billions in debt held by crown corporationes, debt held in intermediaries, the Canadian bank bailout, which was around double per capita than in the US. This also does not include the fact Canadians indiviudall and on a household level
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji are in more debt than the average American houshold indiviual. The only reason why Canada faired better in some regards is that fact we are coat tail economy - we saw the effects in the US and europe and preempted them.
Getting back to debt. I disagree as again you are taking one measure on portraying it as total debt. Lets see
USA - 95% Sweden - 241% Norway - 861% Swiss-364% Denmark-274% Netherlands-344% Luxemburg 4636%. Canada has lower, but again excludes a lot of debt
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji I did look at the OECD and even though as the clearly note their statistics are only measure of a specific debt. But even then the US rates just under the OECD average and not above. Not my words, but that of the OECD
As for coporate taxation, again I disagree you are assuming that each every business pays the full rate and has not applied any deductions. Furthermore you are not factoring in the fact Canadian businesses pay far higher marginal and capital gains taxes. Not to..
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji mention fees, local taxation, Social servivce deductions.Lets also get started on ancillary costs, start up taxation US does on paper have 35% and US also has on paper a somewhat high upper indiviual tax rate, but you have accounted for bracket spread as well.
As for provincial/ State tax rates - You are so out to lunch on this one I don't even know where to begin. The US state charges roughly 12%, whereas the highest Canadian province charges 16.5%.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji - This again is not factoring in other costs. Your idiea of US corporate taxes without taking into account various factors is almost as stupid as your idea that taxation has the exact same effect on every nation regardless of differences. What is also odd about your debate in that the US has higher overall business costs, you in a way defeated your own argument and point and confirmed what I was saying of optimal taxation.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji The OECD does a comparison of all nations in relation to corporate taxation. Divide all OECD into two groups: 50% with the lowest level of corporate taxation and the 50% with the highest. The 50% group with the lowest corporate taxation represents almost all the top 50% of corporate tax revenue generator countries. Simply raising taxes does not necessarly increase revenue as it all depends on the nations optimun taxation level.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@Chidanandaji No added costs? People pay through taxes and here in Canada, many of us still have to pay monthly premiums. Not all treatments are free or even approved here in Canada. The Canadian System indeed costs less, but we have less Doctors and Nurses who don't make as much as American ones. Furthermore we have (no joke) only about 1/4 of the diagnostic equipment of the US. Some people here in Vancouver have to wait up to 18 months for MRI's
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY First off, we have more nurses per captia then the States, and virtually the same in doctors. They have only slightly more. 2nd, doctor salaries have increased dramatically the last 10 years, so much so that more doctors are returning to practice in Canada, then going South for the past 5 years. 3rd, according to CIHI, median wait times for MRI's in B.C. was 80 days, far short of your 18 month claim. 4th. Canada's debt to GDP ratio is 1/3 of that to the States.
MadHabber93 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 More per capita in terms of nurses, but when they have access to lower level technology and less resources - Canada's 9.9 nurses per 1000 do less than the US 8.2 per 1000. You can go to a mechanic shop that has 100 mechanics, but you can still end up waiting longer for service than the Mom and pop shop down the road if you do not have the tools and resources to utilize those people. Slightly as defined as 1 or 2% more? You may want to check that again. As for salaries, ....
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 ,,,they have increased and Doctors are slowly allowed to participate and give more private treatments which have added to their income - this is a result of more privatization. But again Canadian doctors do have less overhead, but even with that still make less than an American Doctor. As for going South, it is actually Canadian doctors returning and this processed continued from 2003 to 2007 - Most recently according to the CIHI this number has virtually stagnated
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 Since US have had relations the number of doctors moving back and forth between the two nations has changed. But the US generally has attracted far more doctors from Canada then vice versa. Even the recent Doctors comming back are not actually net gains as we are simply gaining back SOME of what was lost. - A trend that is stagnating. As for BC MRI waits - I never claimed the median wait times were 18 months - This is a lie that you are telling about me in order to make me look....
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 ..bad and bully me out of the conversation. Yes the median wait time is 84 days, but again this number includes people who did not want to wait for a public MRI and went private instead. People in BC can wait up to 18 months for a MRI scan - In almost every developed nation on the planet, this is unacceptable. This results when Canada has a fraction of the diagnostic equipment of the US and other developed nations.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY For MRI times, no those numbers DO NOT include private MRI clinics. CIHI does not include private for profit clinics. Yes, Canada does have less MRI's but we use them 24/7. For your claim that the U.S. draws more, by number, yes. By per capita, let's see the proof.
MadHabber93 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 MRI's are not operation 24/7 for general patients unless it is in a Hospital and an ER patient needs it - Even that is subjective to ones area. And they are most certainly not operational 24/7 if they are located in more a general clinical setting. These are almost the exact words of the Radiology dept at Royal Columbian Hospital in BC. Call them yourself 604-875-4165
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY My buddy, whose had 2 brain tumor surgeries, and whom I'm leaving to have a beer with in 20 minutes, had his MRI last week at 2 am. THe Royal in B.C. might be different. It still goes against your premise or misleading claim of 18 months. You know damn well patients who need urgent MRI's don't wait. How long does one wait in the States if the can't afford it??
MadHabber93 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 People can wait up to 18 months for a MRI, there are hordes of evidence to support it. If you go into the hospital with a cracked skull you can get an MRI quick, but if you are being referred by a specialist for a non ER situation you have to wait your turn. I would rather be broke than dead. Canadians do and have died waiting. Heck a survey in Alberta found that out of 1200 lung cancer patients 250 died of waiting .....
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY Again, if there are hordes of evidence to support 18 months wait times, produce them. Provide a link. I provided one showing median times of 80 days for NON URGENT CARE. You would rather be broke than dead?? Please. A survery is NOT a study. Those 250 died of what?? Your evidence is weak to non-existence. Opinions are fine, and you are entitled to them. Too bad you are the VERY small minority in this country. Tell me, what is your age?
MadHabber93 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 .... I do put a grain of salt in this statistic as how many lung cancer patients would have died even if they got treatment? This is also the same reason the 45,000 who wie without insurance should be viewed with a grain of salt and various other reasons other note. Any study that uses a regressive approach to statistical modelling should be viewed with great skpeticism regardless of political bias or neutrality
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY A study by the 2nd ranked University in the WORLD should be taken with a grain of salt. I asked you for exact evidence showing Canadians are dying waiting for care, yet you produce a survey. Which is better than anyone else has been able to produce when I've asked for evidence, but still means jack shit. Do we wait for non-life threatening surgery, sure we do. But it sure the hell is better than not getting that surgery at all or having an insurance company tell me I can't have it.
MadHabber93 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 It was a professor at that University who did that study that was funded by NGO's The proff who did this has already stated he has a bias in the subject. It is biased crap. He surveyed 9000 people in several years leading up to 1994. Ten years later 350 respondents died, he concluded each and every one died as a result of no insurance. He also made the assumption in the 10 years they all retained maintained there no insurance status, which is not true.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 Most people, who are without insurance, regain it within a year. Furthermore another flaw is that most people who don't have insurance elect not to have any, but can either afford it, fall within medicare/aid, or are temporary or illegal immigrants. Furthermore he did not disclose the demographic of the people surveyed - are they all old? Young?
Funny how you don't mention another study on the same issue and is 65 times larger with a smaller margin of ....
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY You are using all the bullshit talking points coming from the U.S. right. What larger more comprehensive studies show opposite results. I quoted the 45k, as its the most recent. Another one done a few years back pegged the number at 18K. Of course you, and ones with your ideology, say its flawed because it doesn't support your position. But what am I thinking. You would definitely know better than those poorly educated at Harvard. Rolling eyes.
MadHabber93 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 BS and this why you are unable to refute anything I said? As for Harvard, Harvard did not commision the study you dumbass, it was a prof at Harvard, whose funding came froma few NGO's trying to promote national health care. Funny as someone who "claims" to university educated is implying studies using regressive statistical methods are reputable. When you extrapolate to reflect that a tiny study base represent the whole population using regression, you have a huge margin of error ..
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY Refute what?? I asked you to supply this apparent comprehensive study that,as you claim, shows the opposite results as the Harvard study. How can I refute something YOU HAVEN"T PROVIDED????
And what exactly are your credentials??? Thought so.
MadHabber93 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 i have cited several studies and have already refuted this study as several have as well. you cite bias garbage that suits your point of view without looking at the issue critically.
I never post my occupation on here or any of my personal details. Unlike you who creates a litte narrative about being a Bio-Chem major in an attempt to bully other posters out of the conversation. I don't need to create an alternate reality for myself to make me feel better.
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@MadHabber93 using a regressive approach. Are thoses statisticians wrong and regressive approach and blind assumptions about your study base is the way to go. You are assuming that his numbers are the highest and therefore trumps everyone else without considering the bias involved. You have a perception and you are simply finding evidence trying to make that perception a reality - You essentially formed a conclusion first and then look for the evidence. You are like every policat fan boy alive
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@MadHabber93
"Another one done a few years back pegged the number at 18K" With that statement you are essentially pretending you know I the study I was talking about. The study I was referring to completed over 600,000 from 1986 to 2000, whereas your friend surveys ended in 1994 and were only 9000. Your friend never conducted any follow up with the subjects to see if they maintained they lack of insurance status or if there health status, habits changed.The only time he heard back from them
ShayisWY 9 months ago
@ShayisWY And I still don't know what study you are talking from 86 to 2000. If you have it, post the fucking link and quit playing games. Until then, go crawl back under your ideological rock. It must really burn your ass that you live in a country that 90% of its population supports medicare and not Private for profit care? Here's an idea...move. Your Utopia is just miles south. Maybe you can make one of those 45K for 2011. ;) Of course, that will probably be more like 80K now.
MadHabber93 9 months ago
No worries and private care is becomming more and more common place and represents a larger portion of the health spending year by year. And as the demographics change here in Canada to a more Asian based population, the figure is bound to change. Yes us Asians represent a near majority in key economic centres such as here in Vancouver. At any time the Canadian health act is only a Supreme court rulling away from being quashed. People are happy over the perception it is free, when it's not