Surely everything belong to GOD and to GOD we shall return
Muslim believe that GOD create everything (universe and human being), and than GOD take care of everything (universe and human being), finally GOD destroy everthing (universe and human being).
GOD who kill human being when it is our time to return to GOD. You may kill a man; but he will not die before his time
@TheMuslimConnection christianity is just another human worship cult. that approves of human sacrifice and blood ritiuals. like all others they also claim ther human is god.
Mr shorrosh is the worse Christian debater in the west, he just through red herring without any prouf. as an arab i dont think he misunderstand islam, he is deliberatly misrepresenting Islam...
IF JESUS GOD THEN WHY DUNT BIBLE SAY PPL FOLLOWED HIM with a bucket to collect his waste , so they could worship it cos it wud be more better than universe. nor did they follow him to smell his farts. they dint cos they KNEW he was HUMAN . nor did they SAVE HIS FORESKIN a piece of 'GOD'. SEE HOW BULLSHIT YOU XTIANS ARE . google stories similar to jesus . like DIONYSIS, MITHRAS were born 25dec, from virgin and gods son, crucified returned 3days ect ect its all there all COPIED,STOLEN put bible
EVERYTHING achristian accuses a muslim of they do themselves , simply see bible NUMBERS 31 see bible god ordering MURDER, PLUNDER RAPE says god got a share of the loot and the 32,000virgins caught raped to veryfy pureness all other women,babies animals non virgins were slaughtered. bible says GOD will RIDE little girls cherubim, shave billions of ppl legs wich will take months years to do u ask a BARBER2 do dat4 u and see? god make ppl eat shit and on der faces in bible ezek4;12 malachi 2;3
Stupid biatch disbelieving pigs of christians always get owend by muslim shayks.
There is NOT ONE paulian aka christian who has won a debate from a muslim.
Why?Because msulims speak with knowledge of the TRUTH!paulians speak with a burned soul full of lies and try to force those lies upon the carriers of the truth.
And because they don't succeed,they always loose their self control in debates because there is NO way that falsehood will defeat the truth.The only religion from God is ISLAM!.
Very good!! Good reference for when ever a bible basher critise Quran for being "violent". To prove see the following:
1 SAMUEL 15:3 NIV - Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.Do not spare them;put to death men and women, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys!!!
when was dis debate held? i tot shorosh did some time in prison? anyways why did shabir have to debate dis guy? shabirs intellect n personality does not desrves shorosh!
When the hypocrites plot and plan and deceive, Allah is telling them that he is their creator and what ever they do he can do a million times better. So don't think you can outsmart Allah because he can easily turn your lies and your deception against you. Anything you can do (good or evil) is like a drop of water in an ocean (even less) compared to what God can do, and you're just being foolish even trying.
The person Shabir Ally is quoting sounds like the an atheist who does not believe in divine intervention with a biased view towards God. What he quoted is not found in the Old and New Testament. I wonder what that same person would say about the Quran.
Muslims should never quoted world views that would paint the Quran in a worst picture.
What the Bible teaches is man by nature is evil and it takes the grace of God to restrain the evil of man. He does not cause evil as evil is contrary to his law
When the prophet (pbuh) finally entered Mecca in victory, he was not vengeful towards it's people (the quraish) despite the extensive persecution he suffered from them and their undermining of his message. This action baffled the people of Mecca and lead them to rethink their views towards him and the message he had. One would see this as an example of self-conduct when dealing with defeated opponent. This is a reminder to those that make vengeful or negative remarks about Christians.
@gobuddyboy sorry i'm Muslim I think Islam is right but Christianity is a religion that came from god and some Christians are good just lost to what is truly right have respect for all religions or the media will have reason to persue propaganda against us. the Quraan teaches tolerance. verse 6 al-kafiroon "for you is your way and for me is mine"
@MuslimRationalizer with all due respect Allah didn't give us Christianity as a such he gave us Islam through and through and christianity is man made however he gave us the original teachings of 'christianity' not the bible's but the Injeel however all i was trying to say was that we shouldnt insult other religions and be tolerant of there beliefs if they arent going to accept the right path they'll have Allah to answer to at yumil achira.
Anis Shorrosh should stop already. He was owned plenty by Sh. Deedat and now he's back to get more thoroughly owned by Br. Shabir Ally. Digs his own hole every time. Poor guy. He's been studying the Quran for so many years. Just never gave it a sincere shot. Only studied it to criticize it. "This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah" (Quran 2:2). May Allah guide Dr. Sorrosh Insha'Allah!
@DaWanderer Anis Shorrosh isn't a good apologist. But deedat lost to him in the Bible vs Quran debate... sorry. Deedat wasn't as good either, his opponents where not the best apologists of that time.. and he even used allot of greek words in his debates against the first chapter of John, and also a confusion between the meaning of versions and translations.
Islam has misrepresented Christian theology by making the trinity look like "God A, God B, God C".
@cisco19 Perhaps you are right about Deedat and Shorrosh. Though Islam, in fact, clarified the deviations which the Christian brethren came to be subject to. True followers of Jesus during the first century (and subsequent years) were also Muslims (those who submitted to the Will of God alone). There is no room add or alter or change the entity of God. God is forever unique and consistent and His nature is subject to no change. There is simply One God and one Entity. No 3 persons in one etc. Thx
@DaWanderer That's historically wrong. Christianity during the 1st century (200 years before the Bible) worshiped christ. You can see writings from anti-theist such as Lucian, Plinny the Younger, etc of the 1st century complaining about the Christians worshiping a Man who was crucified under pilot. The creeds date around the 30AD. Jesus was never believed to be only a prophet until Islam came, which was 600 years after the Cannoned BIBLE.
@cisco19 Read up on Nestorianism, Ebionites and Paulicianism, sects that held the Adoptionist position regarding Jesus (a Man chosen by God, like David, God's "begotten son" in the Old testament). Arianism was a huge sect in the eastern provinces of the Roman empire and Egypt, believed Jesus to be not divine. Several of these were even larger than the groups that called Jesus God. In fact Calling Jesus God was heresy. Constantine forced Trinity upon the people in 325. This is all before Islam.
@DaWanderer Um.. those books do not show any evidence towards the 1st century. It's actually historical fact that Christians worshiped Jesus during early AD palestine. Don't you know famous academicians of that time, Census, lucian, etc?
here's a quote
"The Christians you know, worship a MAN to this day.. "they deny the gods of greece and worship the CRUCIFIED SAGE".. for he was the one who brought this new cult into the world, THE MAN CRUCIFIED IN PALESTINE."
@cisco19 All that I have said is true. The true worshipers of God Almighty were suppressed by the Roman supremacy. Many embraced Islam because they believed Jesus to be a Prophet and were awaiting a new Prophet as prophesied by Jesus himself. You can worship your crucified man and I'll worship the God Almighty, the eternal.
@DaWanderer How is it true when you provided no 1st century ad material, like i have? Quotes from anti-christians such as Lucian, Celsus, Nero, Plinny the younger all show that Christians believed Jesus to be God. There is no 1st century source of any christian claiming Jesus to be a mere-prophet.. why would christian persecution happen during that time, if Jesus is a prophet where the mere claims?
I already gave you a 1st century quote, now please provide your evidence.
@cisco19 Irenaeus writes "Vain also are the Ebionites who do not receive by faith into their soul the union of God and man, but who remain in the old leaven of the [natural] birth". Hippolytus writes "They live conformably to the Jewish customs saying they are justified according to the Law...for they say that he [Jesus] himself was a man like all.” Two different historians refer to the Ebionite sect, who believed Jesus to be no more than a man. There were several other sects well before Islam.
@DaWanderer wow, thanks for showing quotes that don't actually tackle my argument. You gave quotes that don't even deny christians worshiped a man, jesus. Christians believed that Jesus was God who became a MAN. To none christians
Irreneas isn't even accepted to scholars of any background (atheist, to other theists).. because he proposed a bad argument that Jesus lived up to his 50's which obviously contradicts you muslims as well.
@cisco19 You have no argument. You made an empty claim that "Jesus was never believed to be only a prophet until Islam came". These are your words I quote. And I have shown that as early as at least the 2nd century, there were people who followed Jesus and did not believe him to be a divine being but only a man. And I do not deny that there were groups that did believe him to be divine. Both concepts existed then and existed well before the time of Muhammad. Now you reject the theologians. Sad.
@DaWanderer Um Irraneaus was an atheist who taught people not to follow God's laws. He was one of those anti-theists that made several controversies in attacks to the christian faith. So it's rather certain for him to start talking about Jesus to be anything but divine. Funny thing is, you are quoting Anti-Christians on what they think about Jesus, yet nothing from what you've shown says anything about christians of early AD. So you gave a bad argument.
@cisco19 Irenaeus was an atheist? Very amusing. You have a problem with Hippolytus too? Turtullian? What about Paul of Samosata? Nestorius, the patriarch of Constantinople? Yea they were just a bunch of atheist bishops and anti-Christian church fathers since their teachings don't agree with your beliefs. Any serious student of comparative religion knows that there were several different views on the nature of Jesus throughout the first 6 centuries and even today. I'm done wasting time with you.
@DaWanderer There are two Iranaeus' one was the Bishop, the other was a random atheist guy. Iranaeus the Bishop never purposed anything opposing he deity of christ. So what are you arguing about if this is they guy you where talking about? Early christians had different theologies, but the main theology "The Trinity, and Jesus being God" was always there. You already have comments from anti-christian historians concerning christians and what they believed in early AD.
" These Christians, WORSHIP a MAN to this day.. these misguided creatures (christians) start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time. deny the gods of Greece, AND WORSHIP THE CRUCIFIED SAGE, AND LIVE AFTER HIS LAWS…to be sure to whom THEY STILL WORSHIP, THE MAN WHO WAS CRUCIFIED IN PALESTINE."
So can you show "christians believed Jesus was a prophet" quotes of early AD?
@DaWanderer There where two Iranaeus'. One was a bishop, another was an atheist. If you where referring to the Bishop.. he believed Jesus was God and never denied it. Same with the names you just gave.
There have been many controversies concerning Jesus.. But historically, christians believed in one equal thing. That he was divine/God. You have not shown a comment of early AD that shows what early christianity believe.
@cisco19 I HAVE shown you. But you refuse to acknowledge it. And yes I am talking about the Iranaeus bishop and he wrote about other Christian sects who believed Jesus to be NOT divine. Even though he himself believed in the divinity of Jesus.
@DaWanderer dude you haven't. First of all, the quote has no mention of the early christianity faith, second of all Iranaeus believed Jesus was God, he always did. So this accusation of Iranaeus saying Jesus was a prophet is nothing more than your misreading or just forcing things in his mouth which he never meant. Come on, use your common sense. If he never believed Jesus to be divine, why would the catholic church consider him a SAINT?
@DaWanderer AH, I miss understood what you said.. the people Irranaus talked about where not considered actual christians. Gnosticism was already alive during Iranaeus' time.. and those are the people he was talking about. Gnostics, not christians.
Did you read Plinny the Youngers note on how to idenetify christians? PLinny the younger gave memo's to the roman persecutors on how to identify a Christian? "They sang hymns to christ as to a GOD"..
@cisco19 Ya there's no denying the existence of a large sect of Christianity that worshiped Jesus as a God. Though it is also clear from historical accounts of prominent and reliable Christian bishops and historians that those who revered Jesus as a God did not make up the entirety of Christianity. And that bit about Gnosticism is not true. The sources I linked are talking specifically about Ebionites and it is mentioned explicitly so there is no confusing this with Gnosticism.
@DaWanderer hmm.. i don't recall any documentations of the 1st century describing christians to be non-jesus worshipers. From all the sources of early AD Palestine, guys such as Plinny gave descriptions to the soldiers on how to identify a christian, and the description was their belief in Christ. If there was a few people who knew Jesus and did not worship them, there is nothing to show that they where considered christians. Because christians where known to be Jesus worshipers.
@cisco19 Oh sure it is quite easy to quote biased sources from prominent Christian sects who held the power to see to it that the historical records of their counterparts do not survive the test of time. Though they were not completely successful. Arius wrote: “God is absolutely unique and incomparable, Is alone, self-existent, unchangeable, and infinite and must be understood in His absolute oneness.” His teaching was unlike the traditional trinity concept, and Arianism flourished for centuries
@DaWanderer christian sect? I'm quoting from anti-christians of the 1st century.
Lucian, Plinny, Celsus.. these guys wrote thousands of anti-christian writings. whether it was against Jesus' divinity or just mockery of christianity. Lol at your ignorance.
@cisco19 ever heard about "Jewish Christians", what DO You know about the earliest chrisians? There never has been 1 monolithic entity of that nature. Since time Jesus left world the Christian world has been dividing into more and more groups. Also, it was the Pagan Roman Emperor that made the Trinitarian (among others) doctrine (325AD) (never taught by Jesus himself) as the state religion. Making a compromise and making sure the empire does not weaken much, These pagans give you the bible now,
@MatrixOfDynamism Yup, the jewish christians where the contemporaries of Christ. Peter, John etc.. It wasn;t Rome that tought the trinity, please go research some history of early AD before making academic fallacious statements.
We have accounts of christian opponents such as Lucian who date at the late 1st century, and all of them document that Christians worshiped Jesus ever since then.
@MatrixOfDynamism These Christians you know, worship a MAN to this day... these misguided creatures believe that they are immortal for all time.. They deny the gods of greece and worship the CRUCIFIED SAGE. The Man crucified in Palestine.. for he brought this new cult into the world" - Lucian of Samasota. Read your history..
"The christians sing hyms to christ as to a god" - Plinny the younger
both of these anti-christians lived during the 1st century.
Anis is uneducated&a looser,his motives were to fool both Muslims&Christians.his goal was to become famous&get rich.the truth is he doesn't deserve a chance to debate Muslims scholars.he was nurturing from thesedebates.he committed criminal/felony&he is serving time in prison. he lied to the Christians& the Muslims. just watch all his debates he didn't had any proof! he presented nothing but lies&criticizing Islam.nowadays this is the best way to get rich&famous then pay the price here & after
@milkydud Stoning of the Devil was practiced by Abraham When he [Abraham] left Mina and was brought down to (the defile called) al-Aqaba, the Devil appeared to him at Stone-Heap of the Defile. Gabriel said to him: "Pelt him!" so Abraham threw seven stones at him so that he disappeared from him. Then he appeared to him at the Middle Stone-Heap. Gabriel said to him: "Pelt him!" so he pelted him with seven stones so that he disappeared from him.
@milkydud Then he appeared to him at the Little Stone-Heap. Gabriel said to him: "Pelt him!" so he pelted him with seven stones like the little stones for throwing with a sling. So the Devil withdrew from him.
@milkydud All three jamarat represent the devil: the first and largest represents his temptation of Abraham against sacrificing Ishmael (Ismāʻīl), the second represents the temptation of Abraham's wife Hagar to induce her to stop him, and the third represents his temptation of Ishmael to avoid being sacrificed. He was rebuked each time, and the throwing of the stones symbolizes those rebukes.
@milkydud Jesus didn't celebrate the Jamarat simply because he lived his life in palestine and never been to Arabia unlike Ishamel, he also followed the law of Moses
@MCDebate "Jesus didn't celebrate the Jamarat simply because he lived his life in palestine and never been to Arabia unlike Ishamel, he also followed the law of Moses"
Ok thank you for answering a portion of my Question.
@milkydud do you even know what Muslim means? They are muslims because they submitted to Allah/God/YHWH's command and followed it. They were not selfish beings. You should read the Qur'an.
@MCDebate I WONDER IF IN THE BIBLE DID JESUS EVER REFER TO HIMSELF AS SON OF GOD or IF JESUS DENIED WORSHIP?
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
@milkydud OK so if Jesus is the son of God than tell me please, did God have Sex with Mary that Jesus was born as his son? Is Adam not more worthy of being called Son since he had neither Father nor mother?
Is that a "joke"?LOL. Christians not ONLY win every debate with the 3rd world mentality of the muslims..but lead them in EVERY aspect of education ,social progress, human rights, etc. Not ONLY does the Christian have a religion that comes from a "tradition" and has witnesses and "philsophy"; in comparision to islam's "single witness" religion of a self serving "prophet"..but it's the worlds leading religion. Even as islam uses fear to keep muslims from challenging the koran..LOL.
@Vasilis719 lol lol your not very educated are you. Well read what Islam has given the westernised world, science, fairness, maths, astrology, literature, paintings, fabric, in fact the holiest of pictures and paintings as well as fabrics of Christians were done by Muslims. Just look it up on youtube on what I have said. Ask me if you want sources, I will display them on here for everyone to see so then may be you can just swicht off you ignorant racist mind.
C. Dennis McKinsey, M.S. has a Bachelor's Degree in Philosophy and Master's Degree in Social Sciences from Indiana University. He attended law school in the 1960's and was in the MBA program for a brief period. He taught secondary Social Studies for nine years and was a secondary guidance counselor for twelve years. During the 1970's and 1980's he was a Sociology instructor at a community college...
@asharpfamily so that means the information in quote was untrue? I think not, know one who has ever read the whole entire bible can deny that statement.
Do not worship Jesus. Worship the God who created Jesus and all the Prophets before him . The God who created Adam, Jonah, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Hud, Elias, Elijah, Ezekail, Imran, Moses, Aaron, Lot, David, Solomon, Saleh, Zakaraia, John the Baptist, Jesus, and Muhammad.
Shabir couldv'e refuted and answered every point shorrosh rised but he prefered a quicker answer due to not enough time and due to how low and pathetic shorrosh's point was :S.
like seriuosly how many times does he need to loose over and over again? .. he lost to ahmed deedat openlyb ... and also to jamal badawi yet this guy it seems has no respect of any sort for himself or his religion cause he always goes home with the white flag ..... btw is he still in jail?
@hamidious Shabir did refute Dr. Shorrosh's points, you can watch the rest of the video on the link below , the problem was that Dr. Shorrosh came with prepared speech in his rebuttals !? he didn't actually respond to Shabir's points !?
Let's take a look at who "owned" who..LOL. shabir quoted "another" man's assumptions about "Godly" intent in the Bible, with no no context of what brought that man to those conclusions. As shabir said.."if you look in the Bible, you will find such things". By "his" own defintion, and by his own "references", the koran couldn't fare better; and actually is "violent" in direct context of the very suras that can be quoted..continued..
Now; if we take the issue of "anger", "testing", or the indiviudal actions in the Bible, and compare them to the koran..the facts show a very obvioud picture. Was God angry?..OBCOURSE!!. Look at humanity THEN and now. Did God "test" man?. OBCOURSE!!. That is what "free will" is. To "choose" according to belief. Did indivudals(like Lot) behave poorly in the Bible?. OBCOURSE!!. God never should support for drunken incest; but the Bible chronicles it.
So as we see, shabir ally has "presented" evidence of a misguided assumption, that the koran couldn't fare better then; and has quotes like.."there is no compulsion in religion", yet islam was spread by MUCH "compulsion and violence. It says.."take not Jews and Christians as friends", "I will strike terror in the non-bliever; strike off their heads", or "if a believer tunrs his back on islam, kill him wherever you find him". "Context" isn't the issue with the koran, "intention" is.
shabir's strategy is of a first semester law student..LOL. Clutter up the debate with useless assumptions and quotes; so the other debater will have to sort through them before getting to the characteristics and history of Christianity and islam. When islam is challenged, he offers simplisic answers of no validity to the challenge, and prefers to keep the debate on one side; namely, to keep it in comparision to, or assumtions of Christianity and the Bible. Very amateurish..LOL.
This has been flagged as spam show
Anees Shorosh was caught stealing and went to jail.
lolz
And he still wants to debate. puffff
ExposingTheLiars1 1 week ago
Comment removed
ExposingTheLiars1 1 week ago
ALQURAN 2:156
Surely everything belong to GOD and to GOD we shall return
Muslim believe that GOD create everything (universe and human being), and than GOD take care of everything (universe and human being), finally GOD destroy everthing (universe and human being).
GOD who kill human being when it is our time to return to GOD. You may kill a man; but he will not die before his time
sofyans1234 1 month ago
Funny How these Christians who debate end up In prison. Or get caught with Hookers , like Jimmy :)
TheMuslimConnection 1 month ago
@TheMuslimConnection christianity is just another human worship cult. that approves of human sacrifice and blood ritiuals. like all others they also claim ther human is god.
mrlogicalman1 4 days ago
pwnnnnnneedddddd
burgendy 1 month ago
Mr shorrosh is the worse Christian debater in the west, he just through red herring without any prouf. as an arab i dont think he misunderstand islam, he is deliberatly misrepresenting Islam...
julio14335 1 month ago
Thanks for this debate
aboodred1 1 month ago
syaitan talking
aiman12345678 1 month ago
Haha that actually made me say " Ohhhhhhh " :P!!
Profighter92 2 months ago
i lost count how many times shorrosh got humiliated by Muslims.....
flexpape 2 months ago 5
sharrosh is just plain annoying, and he is no match for shabir
TXBornAndBread 2 months ago 2
I hate his speech bad voice bad presentation irritating way of speaking bad english tone this sharrosh kareeh
damirage2010 2 months ago
IF JESUS GOD THEN WHY DUNT BIBLE SAY PPL FOLLOWED HIM with a bucket to collect his waste , so they could worship it cos it wud be more better than universe. nor did they follow him to smell his farts. they dint cos they KNEW he was HUMAN . nor did they SAVE HIS FORESKIN a piece of 'GOD'. SEE HOW BULLSHIT YOU XTIANS ARE . google stories similar to jesus . like DIONYSIS, MITHRAS were born 25dec, from virgin and gods son, crucified returned 3days ect ect its all there all COPIED,STOLEN put bible
sajakram1 3 months ago
EVERYTHING achristian accuses a muslim of they do themselves , simply see bible NUMBERS 31 see bible god ordering MURDER, PLUNDER RAPE says god got a share of the loot and the 32,000virgins caught raped to veryfy pureness all other women,babies animals non virgins were slaughtered. bible says GOD will RIDE little girls cherubim, shave billions of ppl legs wich will take months years to do u ask a BARBER2 do dat4 u and see? god make ppl eat shit and on der faces in bible ezek4;12 malachi 2;3
sajakram1 3 months ago
Stupid biatch disbelieving pigs of christians always get owend by muslim shayks.
There is NOT ONE paulian aka christian who has won a debate from a muslim.
Why?Because msulims speak with knowledge of the TRUTH!paulians speak with a burned soul full of lies and try to force those lies upon the carriers of the truth.
And because they don't succeed,they always loose their self control in debates because there is NO way that falsehood will defeat the truth.The only religion from God is ISLAM!.
izri1 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
A new dawah site for non-muslims.. Come and have a look!
RouteToIslam 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Very good!! Good reference for when ever a bible basher critise Quran for being "violent". To prove see the following:
1 SAMUEL 15:3 NIV - Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.Do not spare them;put to death men and women, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys!!!
icbg63123 4 months ago
@ketoras
so did you find ali get humiliated????guess not......why do you think that is???accept the truth mate..
princemeeei 4 months ago
@ketoras Have you found the clip where Shabir is humiliated?
ThePinkLei 4 months ago
@ThePinkLei
i just asked him the same question haaahahahahah
princemeeei 4 months ago
Go to hell bastrad anish stupid shorosh
mustang73648 5 months ago
when was dis debate held? i tot shorosh did some time in prison? anyways why did shabir have to debate dis guy? shabirs intellect n personality does not desrves shorosh!
zoo001able 5 months ago
@zoo001able Hey Zoo001able this debate was held in 2005, Dr. Shorrosh was arrested three years later in 2008.
MCDebate 5 months ago
@zoo001able before he went to prison
TheMrco0ol 5 months ago
i bet hes a Zionist posing as Palestinian
omz69 5 months ago
When the hypocrites plot and plan and deceive, Allah is telling them that he is their creator and what ever they do he can do a million times better. So don't think you can outsmart Allah because he can easily turn your lies and your deception against you. Anything you can do (good or evil) is like a drop of water in an ocean (even less) compared to what God can do, and you're just being foolish even trying.
zetticat 6 months ago 25
lol walahi this sorosh guy gets owned every time
krazyville 6 months ago 2
The person Shabir Ally is quoting sounds like the an atheist who does not believe in divine intervention with a biased view towards God. What he quoted is not found in the Old and New Testament. I wonder what that same person would say about the Quran.
Muslims should never quoted world views that would paint the Quran in a worst picture.
What the Bible teaches is man by nature is evil and it takes the grace of God to restrain the evil of man. He does not cause evil as evil is contrary to his law
Surfxeo 6 months ago
he is a lie every time he does that
numani12345 6 months ago
100th like :D
masrurahmed95 6 months ago
When the prophet (pbuh) finally entered Mecca in victory, he was not vengeful towards it's people (the quraish) despite the extensive persecution he suffered from them and their undermining of his message. This action baffled the people of Mecca and lead them to rethink their views towards him and the message he had. One would see this as an example of self-conduct when dealing with defeated opponent. This is a reminder to those that make vengeful or negative remarks about Christians.
hindam1 6 months ago
well done shabbir ally
SquashLeo05 6 months ago
christians are dogs
gobuddyboy 6 months ago
@gobuddyboy sorry i'm Muslim I think Islam is right but Christianity is a religion that came from god and some Christians are good just lost to what is truly right have respect for all religions or the media will have reason to persue propaganda against us. the Quraan teaches tolerance. verse 6 al-kafiroon "for you is your way and for me is mine"
mariamhmhA 5 months ago
@mariamhmhA God didn't give us Christianity........That would make God imperfect...
MuslimRationalizer 5 months ago
@MuslimRationalizer with all due respect Allah didn't give us Christianity as a such he gave us Islam through and through and christianity is man made however he gave us the original teachings of 'christianity' not the bible's but the Injeel however all i was trying to say was that we shouldnt insult other religions and be tolerant of there beliefs if they arent going to accept the right path they'll have Allah to answer to at yumil achira.
mariamhmhA 5 months ago
you like that eh? lol
bokisa 7 months ago
Anis Shorrosh should stop already. He was owned plenty by Sh. Deedat and now he's back to get more thoroughly owned by Br. Shabir Ally. Digs his own hole every time. Poor guy. He's been studying the Quran for so many years. Just never gave it a sincere shot. Only studied it to criticize it. "This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah" (Quran 2:2). May Allah guide Dr. Sorrosh Insha'Allah!
DaWanderer 8 months ago
@DaWanderer Anis Shorrosh isn't a good apologist. But deedat lost to him in the Bible vs Quran debate... sorry. Deedat wasn't as good either, his opponents where not the best apologists of that time.. and he even used allot of greek words in his debates against the first chapter of John, and also a confusion between the meaning of versions and translations.
Islam has misrepresented Christian theology by making the trinity look like "God A, God B, God C".
cisco19 8 months ago
@cisco19 Perhaps you are right about Deedat and Shorrosh. Though Islam, in fact, clarified the deviations which the Christian brethren came to be subject to. True followers of Jesus during the first century (and subsequent years) were also Muslims (those who submitted to the Will of God alone). There is no room add or alter or change the entity of God. God is forever unique and consistent and His nature is subject to no change. There is simply One God and one Entity. No 3 persons in one etc. Thx
DaWanderer 8 months ago
@DaWanderer That's historically wrong. Christianity during the 1st century (200 years before the Bible) worshiped christ. You can see writings from anti-theist such as Lucian, Plinny the Younger, etc of the 1st century complaining about the Christians worshiping a Man who was crucified under pilot. The creeds date around the 30AD. Jesus was never believed to be only a prophet until Islam came, which was 600 years after the Cannoned BIBLE.
cisco19 8 months ago
@cisco19 Read up on Nestorianism, Ebionites and Paulicianism, sects that held the Adoptionist position regarding Jesus (a Man chosen by God, like David, God's "begotten son" in the Old testament). Arianism was a huge sect in the eastern provinces of the Roman empire and Egypt, believed Jesus to be not divine. Several of these were even larger than the groups that called Jesus God. In fact Calling Jesus God was heresy. Constantine forced Trinity upon the people in 325. This is all before Islam.
DaWanderer 8 months ago
@DaWanderer Um.. those books do not show any evidence towards the 1st century. It's actually historical fact that Christians worshiped Jesus during early AD palestine. Don't you know famous academicians of that time, Census, lucian, etc?
here's a quote
"The Christians you know, worship a MAN to this day.. "they deny the gods of greece and worship the CRUCIFIED SAGE".. for he was the one who brought this new cult into the world, THE MAN CRUCIFIED IN PALESTINE."
- Lucian
cisco19 8 months ago
@cisco19 All that I have said is true. The true worshipers of God Almighty were suppressed by the Roman supremacy. Many embraced Islam because they believed Jesus to be a Prophet and were awaiting a new Prophet as prophesied by Jesus himself. You can worship your crucified man and I'll worship the God Almighty, the eternal.
DaWanderer 8 months ago
@DaWanderer How is it true when you provided no 1st century ad material, like i have? Quotes from anti-christians such as Lucian, Celsus, Nero, Plinny the younger all show that Christians believed Jesus to be God. There is no 1st century source of any christian claiming Jesus to be a mere-prophet.. why would christian persecution happen during that time, if Jesus is a prophet where the mere claims?
I already gave you a 1st century quote, now please provide your evidence.
cisco19 8 months ago
@cisco19 Irenaeus writes "Vain also are the Ebionites who do not receive by faith into their soul the union of God and man, but who remain in the old leaven of the [natural] birth". Hippolytus writes "They live conformably to the Jewish customs saying they are justified according to the Law...for they say that he [Jesus] himself was a man like all.” Two different historians refer to the Ebionite sect, who believed Jesus to be no more than a man. There were several other sects well before Islam.
DaWanderer 8 months ago
@DaWanderer wow, thanks for showing quotes that don't actually tackle my argument. You gave quotes that don't even deny christians worshiped a man, jesus. Christians believed that Jesus was God who became a MAN. To none christians
Irreneas isn't even accepted to scholars of any background (atheist, to other theists).. because he proposed a bad argument that Jesus lived up to his 50's which obviously contradicts you muslims as well.
cisco19 8 months ago
@cisco19 You have no argument. You made an empty claim that "Jesus was never believed to be only a prophet until Islam came". These are your words I quote. And I have shown that as early as at least the 2nd century, there were people who followed Jesus and did not believe him to be a divine being but only a man. And I do not deny that there were groups that did believe him to be divine. Both concepts existed then and existed well before the time of Muhammad. Now you reject the theologians. Sad.
DaWanderer 8 months ago
@DaWanderer Um Irraneaus was an atheist who taught people not to follow God's laws. He was one of those anti-theists that made several controversies in attacks to the christian faith. So it's rather certain for him to start talking about Jesus to be anything but divine. Funny thing is, you are quoting Anti-Christians on what they think about Jesus, yet nothing from what you've shown says anything about christians of early AD. So you gave a bad argument.
cisco19 8 months ago
@cisco19 Irenaeus was an atheist? Very amusing. You have a problem with Hippolytus too? Turtullian? What about Paul of Samosata? Nestorius, the patriarch of Constantinople? Yea they were just a bunch of atheist bishops and anti-Christian church fathers since their teachings don't agree with your beliefs. Any serious student of comparative religion knows that there were several different views on the nature of Jesus throughout the first 6 centuries and even today. I'm done wasting time with you.
DaWanderer 8 months ago
@DaWanderer There are two Iranaeus' one was the Bishop, the other was a random atheist guy. Iranaeus the Bishop never purposed anything opposing he deity of christ. So what are you arguing about if this is they guy you where talking about? Early christians had different theologies, but the main theology "The Trinity, and Jesus being God" was always there. You already have comments from anti-christian historians concerning christians and what they believed in early AD.
cisco19 8 months ago
@DaWanderer
Lucian of Samasata (115AD)
The Passing Of Peregrinus
" These Christians, WORSHIP a MAN to this day.. these misguided creatures (christians) start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time. deny the gods of Greece, AND WORSHIP THE CRUCIFIED SAGE, AND LIVE AFTER HIS LAWS…to be sure to whom THEY STILL WORSHIP, THE MAN WHO WAS CRUCIFIED IN PALESTINE."
So can you show "christians believed Jesus was a prophet" quotes of early AD?
cisco19 8 months ago
@DaWanderer There where two Iranaeus'. One was a bishop, another was an atheist. If you where referring to the Bishop.. he believed Jesus was God and never denied it. Same with the names you just gave.
There have been many controversies concerning Jesus.. But historically, christians believed in one equal thing. That he was divine/God. You have not shown a comment of early AD that shows what early christianity believe.
cisco19 8 months ago
@cisco19 I HAVE shown you. But you refuse to acknowledge it. And yes I am talking about the Iranaeus bishop and he wrote about other Christian sects who believed Jesus to be NOT divine. Even though he himself believed in the divinity of Jesus.
DaWanderer 8 months ago
@DaWanderer dude you haven't. First of all, the quote has no mention of the early christianity faith, second of all Iranaeus believed Jesus was God, he always did. So this accusation of Iranaeus saying Jesus was a prophet is nothing more than your misreading or just forcing things in his mouth which he never meant. Come on, use your common sense. If he never believed Jesus to be divine, why would the catholic church consider him a SAINT?
cisco19 8 months ago
@DaWanderer AH, I miss understood what you said.. the people Irranaus talked about where not considered actual christians. Gnosticism was already alive during Iranaeus' time.. and those are the people he was talking about. Gnostics, not christians.
Did you read Plinny the Youngers note on how to idenetify christians? PLinny the younger gave memo's to the roman persecutors on how to identify a Christian? "They sang hymns to christ as to a GOD"..
cisco19 8 months ago
@cisco19 Ya there's no denying the existence of a large sect of Christianity that worshiped Jesus as a God. Though it is also clear from historical accounts of prominent and reliable Christian bishops and historians that those who revered Jesus as a God did not make up the entirety of Christianity. And that bit about Gnosticism is not true. The sources I linked are talking specifically about Ebionites and it is mentioned explicitly so there is no confusing this with Gnosticism.
DaWanderer 8 months ago
@DaWanderer hmm.. i don't recall any documentations of the 1st century describing christians to be non-jesus worshipers. From all the sources of early AD Palestine, guys such as Plinny gave descriptions to the soldiers on how to identify a christian, and the description was their belief in Christ. If there was a few people who knew Jesus and did not worship them, there is nothing to show that they where considered christians. Because christians where known to be Jesus worshipers.
cisco19 8 months ago
@cisco19 Oh sure it is quite easy to quote biased sources from prominent Christian sects who held the power to see to it that the historical records of their counterparts do not survive the test of time. Though they were not completely successful. Arius wrote: “God is absolutely unique and incomparable, Is alone, self-existent, unchangeable, and infinite and must be understood in His absolute oneness.” His teaching was unlike the traditional trinity concept, and Arianism flourished for centuries
DaWanderer 8 months ago
@DaWanderer christian sect? I'm quoting from anti-christians of the 1st century.
Lucian, Plinny, Celsus.. these guys wrote thousands of anti-christian writings. whether it was against Jesus' divinity or just mockery of christianity. Lol at your ignorance.
cisco19 8 months ago
@cisco19 My mistake indeed. Though what I said about Arius is indeed true.
DaWanderer 8 months ago
@cisco19 ever heard about "Jewish Christians", what DO You know about the earliest chrisians? There never has been 1 monolithic entity of that nature. Since time Jesus left world the Christian world has been dividing into more and more groups. Also, it was the Pagan Roman Emperor that made the Trinitarian (among others) doctrine (325AD) (never taught by Jesus himself) as the state religion. Making a compromise and making sure the empire does not weaken much, These pagans give you the bible now,
MatrixOfDynamism 7 months ago
@MatrixOfDynamism Yup, the jewish christians where the contemporaries of Christ. Peter, John etc.. It wasn;t Rome that tought the trinity, please go research some history of early AD before making academic fallacious statements.
We have accounts of christian opponents such as Lucian who date at the late 1st century, and all of them document that Christians worshiped Jesus ever since then.
cisco19 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MatrixOfDynamism These Christians you know, worship a MAN to this day... these misguided creatures believe that they are immortal for all time.. They deny the gods of greece and worship the CRUCIFIED SAGE. The Man crucified in Palestine.. for he brought this new cult into the world" - Lucian of Samasota. Read your history..
"The christians sing hyms to christ as to a god" - Plinny the younger
both of these anti-christians lived during the 1st century.
cisco19 7 months ago
Comment removed
cisco19 7 months ago
Anis is uneducated&a looser,his motives were to fool both Muslims&Christians.his goal was to become famous&get rich.the truth is he doesn't deserve a chance to debate Muslims scholars.he was nurturing from thesedebates.he committed criminal/felony&he is serving time in prison. he lied to the Christians& the Muslims. just watch all his debates he didn't had any proof! he presented nothing but lies&criticizing Islam.nowadays this is the best way to get rich&famous then pay the price here & after
medsheikh 9 months ago 3
He is also one of the peoples who responsible of the False Quran called True Furqan.
aladdeen1 9 months ago
I don't get Sorrosh. He got owned against Late Sh. Deedat! Yet he comes back with the same arguments. Does he not listen to reason?
h2dude69 9 months ago
@h2dude69 he is a real disgrace, no matter how many times he is humiliated he comes back with the same arguments.
MatrixOfDynamism 7 months ago
He didnt learn anything when he was owned once by the late sh. Deedat.
aladdeen1 1 year ago 41
Comment removed
MatrixOfDynamism 9 months ago
@aladdeen1 hahaha Allahu Akbar
TheMuslimConnection 2 months ago
When was Anis Shorrosh released from prison? he was charged for puting fire to buildings
baskuk 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn very well said there
kenteles 1 year ago
To my Muslim friends and readers of my question...
Did Jesus and the prophets of Bible celebrate "Jamarat"?
If no, would this not make them Muslim?
milkydud 1 year ago
@milkydud Stoning of the Devil was practiced by Abraham When he [Abraham] left Mina and was brought down to (the defile called) al-Aqaba, the Devil appeared to him at Stone-Heap of the Defile. Gabriel said to him: "Pelt him!" so Abraham threw seven stones at him so that he disappeared from him. Then he appeared to him at the Middle Stone-Heap. Gabriel said to him: "Pelt him!" so he pelted him with seven stones so that he disappeared from him.
MCDebate 1 year ago
@milkydud Then he appeared to him at the Little Stone-Heap. Gabriel said to him: "Pelt him!" so he pelted him with seven stones like the little stones for throwing with a sling. So the Devil withdrew from him.
MCDebate 1 year ago
@milkydud All three jamarat represent the devil: the first and largest represents his temptation of Abraham against sacrificing Ishmael (Ismāʻīl), the second represents the temptation of Abraham's wife Hagar to induce her to stop him, and the third represents his temptation of Ishmael to avoid being sacrificed. He was rebuked each time, and the throwing of the stones symbolizes those rebukes.
MCDebate 1 year ago
@milkydud Jesus didn't celebrate the Jamarat simply because he lived his life in palestine and never been to Arabia unlike Ishamel, he also followed the law of Moses
MCDebate 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MCDebate "Jesus didn't celebrate the Jamarat simply because he lived his life in palestine and never been to Arabia unlike Ishamel, he also followed the law of Moses"
Ok thank you for answering a portion of my Question.
If no, would this not make them Muslim?
milkydud 1 year ago
@milkydud do you even know what Muslim means? They are muslims because they submitted to Allah/God/YHWH's command and followed it. They were not selfish beings. You should read the Qur'an.
MatrixOfDynamism 7 months ago
@MCDebate I WONDER IF IN THE BIBLE DID JESUS EVER REFER TO HIMSELF AS SON OF GOD or IF JESUS DENIED WORSHIP?
35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? 36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? 37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
John 9:35-38
milkydud 1 year ago
@milkydud OK so if Jesus is the son of God than tell me please, did God have Sex with Mary that Jesus was born as his son? Is Adam not more worthy of being called Son since he had neither Father nor mother?
MatrixOfDynamism 7 months ago
JUST SHOW ME ONE DEBATE , JUST ONE where CHRISTIAN WON
SuperAaban 1 year ago
@SuperAaban
Is that a "joke"?LOL. Christians not ONLY win every debate with the 3rd world mentality of the muslims..but lead them in EVERY aspect of education ,social progress, human rights, etc. Not ONLY does the Christian have a religion that comes from a "tradition" and has witnesses and "philsophy"; in comparision to islam's "single witness" religion of a self serving "prophet"..but it's the worlds leading religion. Even as islam uses fear to keep muslims from challenging the koran..LOL.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@Vasilis719
I can see from this video, u make lots of sense crusade invader;)
SuperAaban 1 year ago
@Vasilis719 SHow me a debate where a christian wins then I will believe.. a single witness religion what r you talking about?! MAKE SOME SENSE
kandousha 1 year ago
@Vasilis719 lol lol your not very educated are you. Well read what Islam has given the westernised world, science, fairness, maths, astrology, literature, paintings, fabric, in fact the holiest of pictures and paintings as well as fabrics of Christians were done by Muslims. Just look it up on youtube on what I have said. Ask me if you want sources, I will display them on here for everyone to see so then may be you can just swicht off you ignorant racist mind.
killah666786 1 year ago
Ally quotes a man without a PH.D! Why use him?
C. Dennis McKinsey, M.S. has a Bachelor's Degree in Philosophy and Master's Degree in Social Sciences from Indiana University. He attended law school in the 1960's and was in the MBA program for a brief period. He taught secondary Social Studies for nine years and was a secondary guidance counselor for twelve years. During the 1970's and 1980's he was a Sociology instructor at a community college...
asharpfamily 1 year ago
@asharpfamily so that means the information in quote was untrue? I think not, know one who has ever read the whole entire bible can deny that statement.
thecall2truth 1 year ago
@thecall2truth
"Know one?" :)
asharpfamily 1 year ago
Dr. Shorrosh is a big dummy and extremely ignorant and a liar, I can see why he is in jail.
MARZOOGI 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Do not worship Jesus. Worship the God who created Jesus and all the Prophets before him . The God who created Adam, Jonah, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Hud, Elias, Elijah, Ezekail, Imran, Moses, Aaron, Lot, David, Solomon, Saleh, Zakaraia, John the Baptist, Jesus, and Muhammad.
Who is this God? It is Allah.
4islam3 1 year ago
Excellent video.
muslim610 1 year ago 4
gr8 and amazing
ihatereality94 1 year ago 5
lol this guy is glutton for punishment.... wonder if he debates in jail
oroge 1 year ago 5
owned looool
BintAlHaq 1 year ago 7
Shabir couldv'e refuted and answered every point shorrosh rised but he prefered a quicker answer due to not enough time and due to how low and pathetic shorrosh's point was :S.
sdiablos 1 year ago 6
like seriuosly how many times does he need to loose over and over again? .. he lost to ahmed deedat openlyb ... and also to jamal badawi yet this guy it seems has no respect of any sort for himself or his religion cause he always goes home with the white flag ..... btw is he still in jail?
blackb3ard911 1 year ago 8
"by trowing stone, bcuz he lives in a glass house"
Nice quote sir shabir
ckaey91 1 year ago 6
Subhan ALLAH !!
The Mushriks are Humiliated Everywhere !!
May ALLAH Bless Sheikh Shabir Ali
وَكَانَ حَقًّا عَلَيْنَا نَصْرُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ
ShiismRevealed 1 year ago 95
@hamidious Shabir did refute Dr. Shorrosh's points, you can watch the rest of the video on the link below , the problem was that Dr. Shorrosh came with prepared speech in his rebuttals !? he didn't actually respond to Shabir's points !?
MCDebate 1 year ago 5
Allah hu Akbar....
syednoorulmujtaba 1 year ago 5
this guy shorrosh has been humiliated so many times looooooolz
Allah subhana wo tallah humiliated him by sending him to jail
i just wounder
in jail how did he pick up the dropped soup and what happened after that
AYEMAQ 1 year ago 5
@AYEMAQ I don't know If you noticed but in the last scene Dr. Shorrosh says to Shabir : Clever
Shabir answers back: you liked that, eh !?
LOOOL Shabir is clever, awesome and funny he wiped the floor with Anis's face :D
MCDebate 1 year ago 69
@MCDebate
ya i did
it was funny lolz
indeed shabir is very clever very clam and subhanAllah knowledgeable
may Allah subhana wo tallah reward him best of rewards ameen
AYEMAQ 1 year ago 5
@MCDebate..1
Let's take a look at who "owned" who..LOL. shabir quoted "another" man's assumptions about "Godly" intent in the Bible, with no no context of what brought that man to those conclusions. As shabir said.."if you look in the Bible, you will find such things". By "his" own defintion, and by his own "references", the koran couldn't fare better; and actually is "violent" in direct context of the very suras that can be quoted..continued..
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@MCDebate..2
Now; if we take the issue of "anger", "testing", or the indiviudal actions in the Bible, and compare them to the koran..the facts show a very obvioud picture. Was God angry?..OBCOURSE!!. Look at humanity THEN and now. Did God "test" man?. OBCOURSE!!. That is what "free will" is. To "choose" according to belief. Did indivudals(like Lot) behave poorly in the Bible?. OBCOURSE!!. God never should support for drunken incest; but the Bible chronicles it.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@MCDebate..3
So as we see, shabir ally has "presented" evidence of a misguided assumption, that the koran couldn't fare better then; and has quotes like.."there is no compulsion in religion", yet islam was spread by MUCH "compulsion and violence. It says.."take not Jews and Christians as friends", "I will strike terror in the non-bliever; strike off their heads", or "if a believer tunrs his back on islam, kill him wherever you find him". "Context" isn't the issue with the koran, "intention" is.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@MCDebate..4
shabir's strategy is of a first semester law student..LOL. Clutter up the debate with useless assumptions and quotes; so the other debater will have to sort through them before getting to the characteristics and history of Christianity and islam. When islam is challenged, he offers simplisic answers of no validity to the challenge, and prefers to keep the debate on one side; namely, to keep it in comparision to, or assumtions of Christianity and the Bible. Very amateurish..LOL.
Vasilis719 1 year ago
@AYEMAQ
well he try to burn his own book, it means that his religion isn't real anymore to him,
and he gets so iritate
ckaey91 1 year ago 3