TO VideoCompiler: Such a response does not help the discussion. As for myself, I explained to Prof. Winset that knowing that students are allowed to have guns in my classroom would render me utterly disfunctional. However, he has a right to express his view especially after having been encouraged by the Emmanuel College Admin. to comment on the VT tragedy.
Why would an adjunct prof declare that something done by his administration was "basically ridiculous?" This teacher made no attempt to attempt to help students cope with a tragedy. Instead, he took advantage of a tragic event to spout opinions about a topic which has nothing to do with the class. I taught the morning of 9/11. What do you suppose would have happened had I decided to pretend to be one of the twin towers and had my students throw paper airplanes at me?
How do you know what his intentions were with this exercise. Trajic event or not we need to take something frome everything we experience in life and he seems like a fantastic teacher who took a odd approach to the situation there is no right or wrong to handle things like this.
There's a time and a place for everything. People were frightened and grieving. Frightened grieving people need to be talked through their problems. They do not need to be filled with politically-motivated rhetoric regarding how to solve those problems. I have no sympathy for this guy. There certainly are wrong ways to handle things like this, and one of them is to capitalize on tragedies as an opportunity to broadcast your personal political views.
ThatS a good point! i would supporT your demostration. BTW, tape it ,so as we can show the administration- THAT AN IDIOT CAN TELL YOU A BLDG WILL TOPPLE OVER AND NOT FREE FALL IN 10 SECONDS! THIS TEACHER CHALLENGED YOU TO THINK, NOT SOB AND CRY OVER VICTIMS.
MANY GUNS = LESS VICTIMS; LESS GUNS= MORE VICTIMS.
Oh, I teach the hare-brained WTC conspiracy nonsense as a devil's advocate position in my classes. The thing is, my class never knows whether I believe it or not. College professors are well trained people who should know better. ThE averagE joE off the streaT knows jack about HOW TO RUN A CLASSROOM. Apparently, neither does this professor.
are you talking about the official wtc conspiracy nonsense or serious questions being asked by the majority of the population and have not been answered by our benign government. The average joe off the street has been in 12 years of school and are well aware of what they can learn and can't. Give the average joe some credit.
If these adults, students are adults and should be treated as such, cannot be exposed to dissenting views without freaking out, they should leave college. It is not the place for them. Go home and hide from the scary thoughts.
Well, lets look to the UK for the results of a pretty much overall weapon ban.
The British Crime Survey: violent crimes involving knives in 2005/2006 was, at 169,000, around half the level of 340,000 in 1995, though it had increased on 2004 - 2005 and had been rising since the previous year
There is little doubt that gun crime, particularly handgun crime, has more than doubled since 1997 - again despite legislation, in the form of a post-Dunblane ban on handguns.
I believe that the college overreacted. In Boston of all places, there should be free discussion and a intellectual freedom of debate. For a CATHOLIC college to fire a professor simply based on "inappropriate language" because he was simply debating (thats basically a big "what if" discussion) that if someone was to take action to stop someone from comitting a crime is ludicrous.
Oh, Boy... Another overly sensitive reaction to what amounts to NOTHING. Our country is getting more, and more spineless by the minute. Shut up about it, and give him his job back. Whomever the student is that was so upset by this that they had to go say something - SIGN UP FOR A DIFFERENT CLASS.
your a moron. He obviously has a calm and amicable demenor, knows what he's talking about, and has been wronged by the college because they're afraid that such discussion might "offend" someone. If it was to offend someone at least there was a reaction which means that the discussion was hitting home. The fact that you have nothing really relevant to post about this video says alot about you. How bout you post comments such as that on a blog somewhere else.
What does this tragedy have to do with the class you were suppose to be teaching? And even if you did want to talk about the issue, Emmanuel is one of the most accepting schools and encourages differences of opinions and such. People were upset that the issue was made light of and that there was a mock shooting in the class which is uncalled for.
The shooting is relevant to all college students and not just those few who took psych courses. As a college student I don't find his tactic unusual. Professors often make light of very serious topics to allow students to speak more freely and not go into knee-jerk PC mode. His mock shooting was tasteless but that's hardly something to fire someone over.
P.S. did anyone note he was a Accounting professor? Where does he get off re-enacting VTech in a accouting class? Re-enact it if you must in a poli sci/criminal justice/law/or other relevant department.
If he were a political science professor, or a professor in one of those other fields that you mention, would you then approve and regard him as qualified to discuss the issue with his students?
For me, this professor, like many tenured faculty, seem to hold this view of invincibility. They think its ok to say/do whatever they want in the classroom. Just by watching his arrogance, I have no doubt in my mind he used his classroom as a bully-pulpit. Bravo to E.College for firing him. As a private institution,it has everyright to dismiss faculty for their actions; and as such, does not necessarily guaranteed the same rights to tenured faculty at public institutions.
I disagree with most of the previous comments. I think it was appropriate for a teacher to discuss this with his class. Being fired to have a "group therapy" and generate awareness. the bit about spanking was pointing out that he does create an enjoyable fun atmosphere in the class. on 9/11 did anyone get fired for discussing that in a classroom? I don't think so. If i was this teacher.... i smell LAWSUIT.
This was nothing more than a guy crying out for attention. If you listen to him speak he talks about that he's a showman and spanks himself in front of the class. He also mentions that the media wasn't doing it's part to cover his firing so he took it upon himself to post his videos out here. What he did was just in poor taste and he deserved to be fired. Get a life!
You don't have tenure, so why would expect not to be fired for doing something vaguely controversial during classtime? (as to what constitutes controversial, we could argue about that all day and get nowhere). Like it or not, adjunct professors typically don't have any job security anyway. If you've got a problem w/ the system, apply to secondary schools or colleges that offer tenure-track positions. Once you've got tenure, then you can sound off.
Gun control works, but not for the criminals. They get there guns illegaly and they don't care if guns are banned or not. Gun control makes the law respecting part of the society have no weapons.
"You sir, are an idiot....and I hope you enjoy government cheese. "
May I ask, what PhD program taught you such amazing debate skills? Usually, it is only kindergarten children who possess such barbed wit. I believe that, now, the proper retort for the Professor is to say, "No, you're the idiot." And, which point you may say, "No, you are." And, so forth.
Meanwhile, you're getting all heated about a remark by a total stranger. Ha! You're funny!
Now, if anyone could be so kind as to leave a comment telling me how to NOT receive an alert in my Yahoo account every time some wacko responds to my posts, I would be much obliged. Thanks!
Switzerland has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and it'd be a challenge for you to go into a home and not find a gun. Australia's crime rate skyrocketed after the banning of guns for civilians. Wanna know why? Because *gasp* criminals don't care about gun control laws, or laws in general, and will continue to obtain them.
@<u>produgod</u>: I don't live in fear, fool. But it's fear in a much of America that drives the gun market: fear of Blacks, fear of communists, fear of whatever. It's in the air here; it's in the media everyday; they stir it up constantly. We're swamped with the imagery of fear. Why do the wealthy live in gated communities? Have you ever stopped to contemplate such a development in our society? What was the selling point in such a residence, hmm?
Wow. You can keep your professorship if you call Bush Hitler, the 9/11 victims 'little Eichmanns', claim innocent people are rapists, but God forbid, if you say gun control doesn't work, you're FIRED!
What you did was completely in poor taste. He said the shooting at Tech was insignificant. I would dare him to say that if his class was VT students. I would hope he was not fired for his promotion of our civil rights - but, pretending to shoot students was just perverted. THAT WAS TOO FAR! You have the right to your opinion... Pretending to shoot students is about as tasteless as acting out the events of 9/11. Some things you just don't do.
How do you define what is "poor taste" and "what you just don't do" I think a lot of things could be labeled that way. A perversion is defined by norms. Do you propose censure for anyone who violates a norm?
It's not about censorship - I believe that pretending to murder your students with a gun is just as perverted as an old man pretending to play "house" and imagining it is a child. I also think that he was wrong for saying the lives at VT were insignificant. Furthermore- Why is gun control a topic in accounting?
I said censure not censor. I want to know how you can have any criteria for perverted. I for one do not find his demo perverted. I disagree with him, but I find he was working to make a substantial point. Who gets to decide what is perverted? Those in power?
He teaches Accounting Class! That was not the right forum for this. Anything that stimulates my upchuck reflex is sick. If he wanted to say his civil right was taken from him he could have sued the school. He called the NEWS. He is perverted for getting off on his 15 minutes of FAME. - I decided it is perverted - Its your choice to agree or disagree. Opinons are like germs everyone has them and there is a time and place to share.
A school classroom is always the proper forum for the free exhange of ideas. As a liberal, I think that this Professor is sending a dangerous message when he says that guns could have prevented the VT trajedy. But, Emmanuel College sent an even more dangerous message when they fired him. Emmanuel College has effectively taught its students that free speech is to be feared - - and that is the most dangerous message of all.
Do you find it funny that you have to argue free speech with a bunch of people who actually agree with this guy's position but disagree with his right to say it? I think the education system has failed us completely. No wonder W is PotUS.
Yes, I meant aren't THEY funny - the ones who are trying to suppress their own voice. They oppose even those who speak the same views. They don't understand much - it is too complex for them. Can they ever be brought to a higher level of conceptualization?
I completely agree with you. This important element of defending the viewpoints of those with whom we disagree has been lost to ignorance and selfishness.
So for our ssociety we should use your upchuck reflex to gauge what is acceptable? Do you not see that as a little shallow? Can you think outside of yourself long enough to consider that we all have different ideas of perverted. He got asked to discuss this topic in his class. He did it his way. Why fire him?
Your I.Q MAY have been 156 in 2006 but today your an over educated idiot and that is insulting the idiots. Pitty your such fool as to use profanity and don't have the ability to take part in meaningful dialog. You really are pittyful peice of crap. Before you criticize you should first look into a mirror. "LOL"
Well said. I have long believed that we live in a culture which defines entitlement based on victim status. However, right or wrong this man deserves to be able to exercise his First Amendment rights in a classroom without fear of reprisal. It is no coincidence that the right to bear arms is the Second Amendment because without the ability to protect and defend oneself the future of the First Amendment is a tenuous one.
So let's get this straight...we have to wait a year to get rid of a teacher who is a child molester and they can immediately fire a teacher for pointing a magic marker at people. Ha ha I love it.
only an ignorant mind can accuse this professor of anything wrong. an idiot mind will think that his point has no validity. and for the record, a finance professor was speaking about the subject because the institution asked their faculty to do so. if a room of 25 were armed, how many people would try to enter it to try and kill all 25? come on people make some sense. it's just an opinion blown out of proportion
Why is a finance "professor" discussing and/or debating religion and gun control with in a FINANCE class? He makes absolutely no educationally sound connections to business. Shame on this "teacher" for using his position of authority to force his personal values/views on our students! Was he not hired to teach finance? He should be fired... He failed to perform the task he was employed to do! Just for the record..... I am a teacher :)
You are correct and that is what he states. Once again... is this a negative media spin? I'm waiting to hear the university's position. I just can not imagine this was the intent of the university. I feel sure it had to be more along the lines of being aware and sensitive to the emotional state of the students in light of the VT tragedy.
It was established in part one that he was asked by the school to discuss the campus shooting. Since this is a Catholic school, religion would undoubtably come up. He presented a valid point of view for discussion and was unjustly fired. If he doesn't press a lawsuit for wrongful termination, I hope he finds a job quickly at a better college.
He wasn't joking or kidding or mocking the shootings in any way. He wasn't reenacting it or playing it down. He was demonstating an idea that some people have to students who may or may not agree with that idea. Yeah. Serious shit did happen, but people die all the time. That doesn't mean we should never discuss the ways in which people die. If a kid plays with a toy gun or toy car is that offensive to someone who has been shot or been in a car accident?
We have no tolerance for that kind of behaivor kidding or not.Serious shit happened one week ago,and there are many broken and empty hearts because of that BASTARD!
I have to agree with you, while I dispise Che Guruvera (sp) he did say somthing that made since: "It is better to die standing than to live on your knees" I'd rather die fighting than be lined up and shot like a cow in a slaughterhouse.
Have you ever dove out of the way when someone raises a marker into the air? He was making a valid point in a broad discussion with his class, and someone took it personally. They didn't bother to tell him that they were offended, and took their complaint to "the man" and a reasonable person got fired for it. This really had nothing to do with the VT shooting or gun control or anything. It had to do with how overly sensitive people have become. I like his term "prissy". It fits perfectly
Your still insultive! No place in my comment is it foolish. But not it is my turn. Your replys show your true being, lack of social skill, low I.Q with an inability to communicate.
Teacher and Students need to have GUNS, to defend against insanity and to defend against each other (if they fight over grade, ect.) That makes it a balanced firefight. GO NRA GO!
In VA you can bring a gun anywhere concealed as long as you have a license (easy to get) except a School Zone and federal buildings (which have their own security)... and see what happens...
Freedom of speech soon to be a thing of the pass. This political correctness and offending someone has gotten out of hand. Hell the best thing I can say to you Nick is " You were looking for a job when you found this one."
Dumb students, when i went through college there are those idiots that just want to stick to structured stuff and not use their brain to think and bring real world events and situations and explore them in the academia setting...
hmm.. well i understand where everyone is comming from and your input but dont you think its a litle too early to be re-enacting 32 murders 2 days after? I mean i dont think he should be fired for it but i think its a little harsh... my thoughts newayz
He was asked to discuss the situation and he did and was fired. What is wrong with this picture? Perhaps we should fire all teachers that can actually think for themselves. Hopefully,there will be a law suit to follow and hopefully the settlement will be large enough to make an impression on those who would consider stifling a professor's abilty to teach. The last time I checked this was America not a third world country where freedom of speech was not tolerated!
Well, dude. I wish you well. Your example was perfectly acceptable and this is nothing more than political correctness and fear of law suits. Anytime a student complains the school jumps. There is always a student to be offended even if they arent really offended. Its a matter of sticking it to their professors who they dont like. This school has failed you and the students. Our wishes are with you. Please get back into a university ASAP.
Nicholas Winset, i believe you were fired for a stupid reason. You and your students have the RIGHT to speak about anything you wish anytime you wish.Its in the constitution under the freedom of speech and expression.
always the statisticall argument.let me get this straight, a murder is something different than an accident. you dont go around saying oh a young girl is been killed in our town, well what the heck we have got car accidents so who cares. its the same argument you hear about terrorists attacks. but i think everybody can agree whit me that a person dying in a car accident is less disturbing than someone dying from a suicide bomb or something like that.
What happened at VT was a horrible tragedy.the "media coverage wasn't relevant"? 32 people lost their lives. in America we have free speech, his attitude strikes me as cold, disrespectful & seems over impressed with himself. My opinion, an ego driven video after being fired...bottom line he made a choice, his employer made a choice...we have the choice which side we agree with.God bless America!
how do you go from "in America we have free speech" to justifying a choice made by his employer because of his speech? He was asked to talk about the subject and he did in his own way. So why fire him?
we have free speech, using good judgment in where/how we say it, is our choice. He made his choice, his employer made theirs. And as I stated we all have opinions on which side we agree on. Which is great, debate without arguing.
Cho made a choice too. I don't get how somebody making a choice makes it right. I was suggesting the choice to fire him was not in line with the idea that we support free speech in America. Firing him was obviously done because of things he said. That seems to be a way of discouraging people to express dissenting or controversial views, which last I checked was the hallmark of free speech. In America I thought it was suppose to be that people are free to say what they want
Cho's actions cost innocent people their lives. There is NO comparing that to the prof's choice nor the University. Does freedom of speech give someone the right to discuss whatever they wish to say a group of 5 year olds, due to freedom of speech? My point was we all have opinions as what is considered out of line, and my belief is he was...thats what is great we do not all share the same ideas, its personal "choice" of opinion.
You suggest the freedom is that those in control can fire, censure or censor whoever they want. I disagree with his ideas - I think guns are bad and an ideal person wsould not use lethal force against anyone like Jesus, Buddha and Ghandi lived. But I think he should be able to put them out there for discussion especially if he had been told to discuss the issue in class.
Here again is my point, we have the right to our opinions...shooting your mouth off is an action...words in motion. We all are entitled to our opinions...
So I want to know if you understand the difference between America being a place for free speech or a place where those in power are free to fire, censure or censor anyone they want?
Well, I want to know if you understand the difference between America being a place where we have among our freedoms, rules/norms/morals in certain areas or we would be in even greater chaos.
Wow, I didn't realize there were still professors out there like this (i.e.., who thought independently). Maybe there is still some slight hope for our educational system.
He has his facts wrong. Yes, auto accidents are the leading killer of college-age students, but shooting deaths are number two. Thousands die from gunshot wounds every year. Lightning kills fewer than 100. There are no known deaths from meteorites.
It is irresponsible for him to suggest that students have little to fear from guns.
Freshmutt isn't a very bright mutt. I've lot guns in my house, and I've nothing to fear from any of them. Neither does anyone else, unless they are an immediate threat myself or my family.
Now there's an exercise in perverted statistics, you moron. Shooting deaths damn sure are NOT high on the list of deaths of college students. If you do it only by age bracket (which you're still misstating), you're including all the druggies, pimps & gang members, almost none of which are in school or on campus.
Students have little to fear from guns on campus. They have a LOT to fear if they become drug dealers and hang around in the gang-controlled parts of town.
What he says or how he says it is irrelevant. He was fired for speaking his mind in a classroom full of young adults. This is AMERICA. The classroom is no place to enforce censorship. Goddamn Catholic schools. Yeah, I said it.
I think that college is a place of higher learning and all doors and realms should be explored. I feel terrible for the parents, students, and etc but the students are adults. The media isnt silenced, so why should this professor be?
There is only one way to deal with a situation that is so sensitive is to address it, so that people can heal. Pretending that it didnt happen is the real deception. I disagree with the school totally.
I can't beleive the amount of people who are beleiving the show this guy is putting on to save face. This is all a show. Is he reading off a cue card or something he never looks into the camera because he is to busy focusing on what he wants to show us rather than just be honest and look into the camera bearing his soul.
Well, I wasn't there for the lecture, but I think the fact that he is posting a video that basically says "hey these kids have no reason to feel any fear because this hardly ever happens" is pretty much a dick move.
This doesn't deserve to have this many people watching it. As a student at Emmanuel College I support the decision that the school made. It should be noted that while we are a catholic we are a very liberal Boston liberal arts college...
The events in the classroom made light of the events at VT, and he honestly is not a very professional guy. That can't be tolerated.
Not to mention that he was only adjunct faculty...
"This doesn't deserve to have this many people watching it. As a student at Emmanuel College I support the decision that the school made. It should be noted that while we are a catholic we are a very liberal Boston liberal arts college..."
After all, part of being "very liberal" is fighting fiercely for free speech, except for free speech we don't like.
I absolutely believe that he had every right to speak his mind about the VT tragedy. However, I don't think the right place for that was an ACCOUNTING class, and I don't think that his actions were professional at all...
I don't know all the details, but it's safe to figure that he is simply trying to save face, and that the college made a reasonable decision.
I don't have a problem with the topic. At this point in the semester courses should be on topic and basically to the point, however the events at VT do definitely warrant discussion. HOWEVER, that discussion should not make light of and/or mock the situation... I think it can be commonly accepted that what happened at VT was a tragedy, and that what this professor did was extremely distasteful.
Also, I believe this professor was on probation as it was...
You can tell that he really got fired because he didn't take these events very seriously. In these videos he is still not taking it serious. I am willing to bet that when the classes he taught took place he was mocking the fact that he was being made to have these discussions with his students and he either told to many jokes and offended to many people and he got what he deserved.
The fact that the odds are against this sort of thing happening in your class room is precisely what defines this as a tragedy and why it has resulted in such a "media frenzy".
And how can one discuss Buddhism in just 30 seconds?
Sorry you lost your job. Having attended Catholic school all my life, I can tell you this isn't out of the ordinary. Some of my best lay-teachers only taught for one year. It's a shame.
VT was likely a target for Cho because it's a known anti-gun zone so his victims had no true ability to defend themselves. I support Winset 150% because it's a FACT that having an armed professor and/or student at VT could have very well saved many lives.
Open your eyes people - CRIMINALS LOVE GUN FREE ZONES.
That makes sense, but if carrying firearms would be forbidden altogether there would be no need of gun free zones. Law enforcement and military should have weapons only. Fighting fire with fire is an ineffective and unrealistic strategy.
our country has been flooded with guns for well over 200 years. if we take away everyone's guns then the criminals will still be able to get them (from friends, family, etc). if there's a will, there's a way. there is no effective way to remove guns. if we allow only cops and our govt to have guns, then they will become our GODS. do you want that?
It's an attitude like that that keeps your goverment powerful. Fear is the mindkiller. Besides, they uphold the law. If they shoot someone, the least you would expect is that they'd do it with a reason. If you, or any other civilian shoot someone, you're breaking the law, and risk legal charges.
There's no need of, or room for gunslinger cowboys, 'dirty harries' or whatever you want to call them in this world.
I can say it again, fire should be fought with water, not with more fire.
the average response time for a cop in my area is 15 minutes. me or my friends or family could easily be harmed within that time. i chose to protect myself and i choose to protect my family with my personal firearm.
also, if another country invades us then it will be up to us citizens to defend our country. that's impossible without GUNS.
Yeah, the chance that 'a country' will invade the US is fairly large. You'd better take your shotgun with you when you go on holiday to the beach, you never know when the Russian boats start to appear. Oh wait, when did the nuclear era start again? Wasn't that...oh, right. Late 1990's. You're a bit late, John Doe.
Unsurprising comment from some Dutch teenybopper. If you don't know that the world is far more threatened by nukes now than at any time during the Cold War, you're an idiot.
And since you know shit about the US military or police (both of which I've served in), your opinion is also shit.
I'm armed, and I trust neither the police or the military.
Code - i agree with you here. but guess what? nobody has the right to change our constitution. our constitutional rights is what seperates us from a dictatorship.
i surely hope that you are a minority. it is absurd how easy you are willing to give up your rights.
It's pretty obvious why I oppose your constitution. I don't live in the US. I live in a country where firearms are present, but very, very tightly regulated. The only ones permitted to carry a loaded firearm are the police, the military, and some other institutions. It's worked for us thusfar. Having people buy guns to protect themselves from people with guns sounds a lot like a vicious circle to me. And pretty stupid to boot.
Besides, wasn't the European Union formed áfter the second world war?
The reasons the Dutch were stomped fyi were the fact that they 1) were gravely outnumbered, 2) had a trained, but (compared to Germany) underarmed military force, 3) were caught completely by surprise.
Nobody would be stupid enough to invade a country that lies across hundreds of miles of sea. Not even Hitler.
Back in '38, when radio used to be state of the art...yeah, Hitler came pretty much as a surprise. Anyway, were you there? If so, I feel for you. If not...shut the hell up. Moron.
You Americans were lucky Germany was fighting a war on two fronts, or they'd have pushed you right back into the sea. Their war machine was far superior. You got lucky, that's all.
They were defeated by combined forces. Mind you, three of the world's (back then) most powerful nations were involved in this war; the US of A, Russia and Great Britain, the military superpowers of that time. If it took al three of them to overcome Germany, what do you think would've happened if America would've gone at it alone? It takes little deduction. They'd have lost.
On the contrary. I don't trust the US government a single percent. But althought they regulate the country, the people in the field, the police officers and the grunts, the soldiers, have the responsibility to protect the citizens. You don't live in Iraq. There are no people with AK-47s every next door you knock on. Don't arm yourself against ghosts. Waving a gun in someone's face might get you your way the first time, but when they start shooting back, you're in a world of shit.
you say "don't arm yourself against ghosts". i bought my gun after my roomate was robbed at gunpoint. he was not robbed by a ghost, but a human being. do you understand how real crime is? please try to understand that some people have a very good reason to own a gun.
I have plenty of respect for the average joe. I just don't think that a person who has no experience teaching classes has the credentials to say what should and shouldn't be taught in a classroom, or how students deserve to be treated. In the end, I find this teacher's conduct toward his students to be disrespectful and selfish. I assume his graduate program gave him some training in how to facilitate a class discussion and how to lead a class without being overly didactic.
so, only a teacher knows and understands how to treat a student? An average joe with 12 years of experience in a classroom, with both good and bad teachers, is unqualified to know how a class can be conducted? Now, the average joe might not appreciate the effort and the difficulty of communicating to a large audience. With how they should be treated I think they are more than qualified. This teacher may be overly didactic, but try rereading your own statements.
Limbrip, bear in mind that You Tube is not my classroom. I'm didactic as all get-out here. I also tell people to fuck off here. It's not my classroom. Once I'm in the classroom, I rely on four years of direct training in classroom methodology to direct my interactions with students. It would never occur to me to try to indoctrinate students with the kind of overly-dramatic display this jerk was guilty of.
This Prof is an Idiot, Guns do kill and Sanity is not permanent. So Who is the Police going to shoot at , or for that matter other students would kill each other not knowing who the killer in a situation like Va. Free Speech does have limits . You are have been fed a lot of BS from the NRA . The Constitution doesnt say the Right to Bear arms ............ Read your Second Amendment
I wish we had professors that had the balls to stand up and say what they are thinking. Freedom of speech should be recognized at the HIGHEST level in any academic setting. I assure you that if you followed the norm, and just said "guns are bad," well, you would probably still have your job. What a shame. Keep fighting. Hire an attorney.
Too bad none of your students has posted a video in support. I hope you're more dynamic as a teacher, but you also seem smart and well thought-out. Shame on the school (Catholics...go figure).
Not all Catholics: I've attended Catholic school, but almost the entire school population was liberal and this kind of thing never would have happened there. So "Some Catholics. Go fig."
No abridgment of free speech pal, but try talking anti-Republican smack if your boss is a dem or anti-dem smack if your boss is a Republican... see how many days you last on the job. Most jobs in America are fire "at will".
can be ventured. I SUPPORT THE TEACHER WINSLETT. Regardless of what was discussed, I don't think there was any malicious intent and people need to be able to express themselves in such circumstances. To cut it all off, just creates a bizarre dual universe. One where nothing is discussed (like this school) and another where nothing is not discussed (like Youtube).
The administrators know they were completely irresponsible in failing to respond timely to the killings. I'm sure that if a student had parked illegally, the school's security team would have been all over that student. But when human life was threatened, well, they just couldn't get around to the problem. The firing of this teacher is an attack on free speech. Why anyone would ever want to apply to this school in the future is a complete mystery.
There's a defined line between liberalism and traditional freedom for an open discussion in a university classroom. If you are offended by such discussions, you should perhaps reevaluate your justification for being in the classroom in the first place.
thats right, dont talk about the shootings, go back to your american idol and reality tv, forget the dead, just like you forget the dead soliders in iraq, and the dead iraqi people.
pathetic people like you digust me.
dont both messaging me, when i want an opinion ill ask for it.
Who do proffs learn to just talk and talk like that and still make sense and progress amongst a seriers of unique points... It is not a skill many people have (as anyone who has watched youtube video responses could attest).
I attend this school, and no offense to all of you out there criticizing us but I think joking about a situation and simulating it in a FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING class is irresponsible and insensitive especially considering that students and faculty here knew students who lost their lives. You don't know the college, and you only know this one man's account. It was a student response that caused this. Administration acted on behalf of the students and I think it was a justifiable reason.
It is easy to justify a firing when it is not you. Just hope you never end up in that position, getting fired for what you where told to do. It does happen and do not think it does not.
hey retard make longer videos that arnt 30 seconds long if you want to make your point
Golgo151 4 years ago
wow you are a pinnacle of human intelligence aren't you
atlantaguitar 4 years ago
TO VideoCompiler: Such a response does not help the discussion. As for myself, I explained to Prof. Winset that knowing that students are allowed to have guns in my classroom would render me utterly disfunctional. However, he has a right to express his view especially after having been encouraged by the Emmanuel College Admin. to comment on the VT tragedy.
richbeauch 4 years ago
Why would an adjunct prof declare that something done by his administration was "basically ridiculous?" This teacher made no attempt to attempt to help students cope with a tragedy. Instead, he took advantage of a tragic event to spout opinions about a topic which has nothing to do with the class. I taught the morning of 9/11. What do you suppose would have happened had I decided to pretend to be one of the twin towers and had my students throw paper airplanes at me?
shapokliyak 4 years ago
How do you know what his intentions were with this exercise. Trajic event or not we need to take something frome everything we experience in life and he seems like a fantastic teacher who took a odd approach to the situation there is no right or wrong to handle things like this.
kives1717 4 years ago
There's a time and a place for everything. People were frightened and grieving. Frightened grieving people need to be talked through their problems. They do not need to be filled with politically-motivated rhetoric regarding how to solve those problems. I have no sympathy for this guy. There certainly are wrong ways to handle things like this, and one of them is to capitalize on tragedies as an opportunity to broadcast your personal political views.
shapokliyak 4 years ago
ThatS a good point! i would supporT your demostration. BTW, tape it ,so as we can show the administration- THAT AN IDIOT CAN TELL YOU A BLDG WILL TOPPLE OVER AND NOT FREE FALL IN 10 SECONDS! THIS TEACHER CHALLENGED YOU TO THINK, NOT SOB AND CRY OVER VICTIMS.
MANY GUNS = LESS VICTIMS; LESS GUNS= MORE VICTIMS.
hewlee 4 years ago
Oh, I teach the hare-brained WTC conspiracy nonsense as a devil's advocate position in my classes. The thing is, my class never knows whether I believe it or not. College professors are well trained people who should know better. ThE averagE joE off the streaT knows jack about HOW TO RUN A CLASSROOM. Apparently, neither does this professor.
shapokliyak 4 years ago
are you talking about the official wtc conspiracy nonsense or serious questions being asked by the majority of the population and have not been answered by our benign government. The average joe off the street has been in 12 years of school and are well aware of what they can learn and can't. Give the average joe some credit.
limbrip 4 years ago
Oh joy -- another ignorant "troofer" who worships at the altar of Alex Jones & Jim Marrs, surely two of the most moronic conspiracy-pimps in history.
limbrip?" -- "limp dick" is more like it.
pilot101st 4 years ago
If these adults, students are adults and should be treated as such, cannot be exposed to dissenting views without freaking out, they should leave college. It is not the place for them. Go home and hide from the scary thoughts.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Well, lets look to the UK for the results of a pretty much overall weapon ban.
The British Crime Survey: violent crimes involving knives in 2005/2006 was, at 169,000, around half the level of 340,000 in 1995, though it had increased on 2004 - 2005 and had been rising since the previous year
There is little doubt that gun crime, particularly handgun crime, has more than doubled since 1997 - again despite legislation, in the form of a post-Dunblane ban on handguns.
And2theRepublic 4 years ago
the "your a moron" is directed at mn8aol.
brokenheartzer0 4 years ago
I believe that the college overreacted. In Boston of all places, there should be free discussion and a intellectual freedom of debate. For a CATHOLIC college to fire a professor simply based on "inappropriate language" because he was simply debating (thats basically a big "what if" discussion) that if someone was to take action to stop someone from comitting a crime is ludicrous.
brokenheartzer0 4 years ago
Oh, Boy... Another overly sensitive reaction to what amounts to NOTHING. Our country is getting more, and more spineless by the minute. Shut up about it, and give him his job back. Whomever the student is that was so upset by this that they had to go say something - SIGN UP FOR A DIFFERENT CLASS.
obxjeepguy 4 years ago
This is bright? I'm sorry I don't picture this gentleman as one who presents high quality instruction.
mn8aol 4 years ago
your a moron. He obviously has a calm and amicable demenor, knows what he's talking about, and has been wronged by the college because they're afraid that such discussion might "offend" someone. If it was to offend someone at least there was a reaction which means that the discussion was hitting home. The fact that you have nothing really relevant to post about this video says alot about you. How bout you post comments such as that on a blog somewhere else.
brokenheartzer0 4 years ago
This guy is too bright for Emmanuel. He should be teaching at Princeton or Columbia.
cdifrances 4 years ago
What does this tragedy have to do with the class you were suppose to be teaching? And even if you did want to talk about the issue, Emmanuel is one of the most accepting schools and encourages differences of opinions and such. People were upset that the issue was made light of and that there was a mock shooting in the class which is uncalled for.
goldenangel602 4 years ago
The shooting is relevant to all college students and not just those few who took psych courses. As a college student I don't find his tactic unusual. Professors often make light of very serious topics to allow students to speak more freely and not go into knee-jerk PC mode. His mock shooting was tasteless but that's hardly something to fire someone over.
WallyAnti 4 years ago
P.S. did anyone note he was a Accounting professor? Where does he get off re-enacting VTech in a accouting class? Re-enact it if you must in a poli sci/criminal justice/law/or other relevant department.
phidelt2 4 years ago
If he were a political science professor, or a professor in one of those other fields that you mention, would you then approve and regard him as qualified to discuss the issue with his students?
reflectivegoat 4 years ago
For me, this professor, like many tenured faculty, seem to hold this view of invincibility. They think its ok to say/do whatever they want in the classroom. Just by watching his arrogance, I have no doubt in my mind he used his classroom as a bully-pulpit. Bravo to E.College for firing him. As a private institution,it has everyright to dismiss faculty for their actions; and as such, does not necessarily guaranteed the same rights to tenured faculty at public institutions.
phidelt2 4 years ago
I disagree with most of the previous comments. I think it was appropriate for a teacher to discuss this with his class. Being fired to have a "group therapy" and generate awareness. the bit about spanking was pointing out that he does create an enjoyable fun atmosphere in the class. on 9/11 did anyone get fired for discussing that in a classroom? I don't think so. If i was this teacher.... i smell LAWSUIT.
Buddhist2k 4 years ago
This was nothing more than a guy crying out for attention. If you listen to him speak he talks about that he's a showman and spanks himself in front of the class. He also mentions that the media wasn't doing it's part to cover his firing so he took it upon himself to post his videos out here. What he did was just in poor taste and he deserved to be fired. Get a life!
mgoodman09 4 years ago
Yes, the spanking reference was somewhat peculiar. It is probably better if teachers do not spank themselves in class.
Dutch681 4 years ago
You don't have tenure, so why would expect not to be fired for doing something vaguely controversial during classtime? (as to what constitutes controversial, we could argue about that all day and get nowhere). Like it or not, adjunct professors typically don't have any job security anyway. If you've got a problem w/ the system, apply to secondary schools or colleges that offer tenure-track positions. Once you've got tenure, then you can sound off.
elpanek 4 years ago
Gun control doesn't work? Hmmmm...is that why every civilized nation that has it has a lower incidence of gun-related criminal activity than us?
You sir, are an idiot....and I hope you enjoy government cheese.
lrthorne 4 years ago
Gun control works, but not for the criminals. They get there guns illegaly and they don't care if guns are banned or not. Gun control makes the law respecting part of the society have no weapons.
TygrysBengalski 4 years ago
@<u>TygrysBengalski</u>: Yeah...criminals get their guns illegally from NRA nuts who buy them legally and then turn around and resell them.
Is there a break in the house? Can I get one?
bapyou 4 years ago
lrthorne, I like where you tell the Professor,
"You sir, are an idiot....and I hope you enjoy government cheese. "
May I ask, what PhD program taught you such amazing debate skills? Usually, it is only kindergarten children who possess such barbed wit. I believe that, now, the proper retort for the Professor is to say, "No, you're the idiot." And, which point you may say, "No, you are." And, so forth.
Dutch681 4 years ago
Meanwhile, you're getting all heated about a remark by a total stranger. Ha! You're funny!
Now, if anyone could be so kind as to leave a comment telling me how to NOT receive an alert in my Yahoo account every time some wacko responds to my posts, I would be much obliged. Thanks!
lrthorne 4 years ago
Switzerland has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and it'd be a challenge for you to go into a home and not find a gun. Australia's crime rate skyrocketed after the banning of guns for civilians. Wanna know why? Because *gasp* criminals don't care about gun control laws, or laws in general, and will continue to obtain them.
rsouxlja7 4 years ago
There's less general fear in places like Switzerland. And less general paranoia about their goddamn neighbors. Americans are full of both.
bapyou 4 years ago
You live in "general fear" because of a lack of gun laws? Will another one ease your mind? Sounds psycological.
produgod 4 years ago
@<u>produgod</u>: I don't live in fear, fool. But it's fear in a much of America that drives the gun market: fear of Blacks, fear of communists, fear of whatever. It's in the air here; it's in the media everyday; they stir it up constantly. We're swamped with the imagery of fear. Why do the wealthy live in gated communities? Have you ever stopped to contemplate such a development in our society? What was the selling point in such a residence, hmm?
bapyou 4 years ago
Wrong. Canada has as many guns, per household, as the US, with a much lower rate of violent crime.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Wow. You can keep your professorship if you call Bush Hitler, the 9/11 victims 'little Eichmanns', claim innocent people are rapists, but God forbid, if you say gun control doesn't work, you're FIRED!
blogagog 4 years ago
What you did was completely in poor taste. He said the shooting at Tech was insignificant. I would dare him to say that if his class was VT students. I would hope he was not fired for his promotion of our civil rights - but, pretending to shoot students was just perverted. THAT WAS TOO FAR! You have the right to your opinion... Pretending to shoot students is about as tasteless as acting out the events of 9/11. Some things you just don't do.
jbabbz 4 years ago
How do you define what is "poor taste" and "what you just don't do" I think a lot of things could be labeled that way. A perversion is defined by norms. Do you propose censure for anyone who violates a norm?
smokinlloyd 4 years ago
It's not about censorship - I believe that pretending to murder your students with a gun is just as perverted as an old man pretending to play "house" and imagining it is a child. I also think that he was wrong for saying the lives at VT were insignificant. Furthermore- Why is gun control a topic in accounting?
jbabbz 4 years ago
I said censure not censor. I want to know how you can have any criteria for perverted. I for one do not find his demo perverted. I disagree with him, but I find he was working to make a substantial point. Who gets to decide what is perverted? Those in power?
smokinlloyd 4 years ago
He teaches Accounting Class! That was not the right forum for this. Anything that stimulates my upchuck reflex is sick. If he wanted to say his civil right was taken from him he could have sued the school. He called the NEWS. He is perverted for getting off on his 15 minutes of FAME. - I decided it is perverted - Its your choice to agree or disagree. Opinons are like germs everyone has them and there is a time and place to share.
jbabbz 4 years ago
A school classroom is always the proper forum for the free exhange of ideas. As a liberal, I think that this Professor is sending a dangerous message when he says that guns could have prevented the VT trajedy. But, Emmanuel College sent an even more dangerous message when they fired him. Emmanuel College has effectively taught its students that free speech is to be feared - - and that is the most dangerous message of all.
Dutch681 4 years ago
Do you find it funny that you have to argue free speech with a bunch of people who actually agree with this guy's position but disagree with his right to say it? I think the education system has failed us completely. No wonder W is PotUS.
smokinlloyd 4 years ago
If we don't defend free speech when we disagree with the speaker, than there is no free speech at all.
Dutch681 4 years ago
Yes, I meant aren't THEY funny - the ones who are trying to suppress their own voice. They oppose even those who speak the same views. They don't understand much - it is too complex for them. Can they ever be brought to a higher level of conceptualization?
smokinlloyd 4 years ago
I'm sure you'll lead the way to that higher level.
Dutch681 4 years ago
I completely agree with you. This important element of defending the viewpoints of those with whom we disagree has been lost to ignorance and selfishness.
reflectivegoat 4 years ago
So for our ssociety we should use your upchuck reflex to gauge what is acceptable? Do you not see that as a little shallow? Can you think outside of yourself long enough to consider that we all have different ideas of perverted. He got asked to discuss this topic in his class. He did it his way. Why fire him?
smokinlloyd 4 years ago
Why not sue and get the job back, with the aid
of the ACLU, which supposedly stands for free speech.
danielcurzon 4 years ago
It was a catholic university... they probably reserved the right to dismiss as needed/desired.
imrational 4 years ago
Your I.Q MAY have been 156 in 2006 but today your an over educated idiot and that is insulting the idiots. Pitty your such fool as to use profanity and don't have the ability to take part in meaningful dialog. You really are pittyful peice of crap. Before you criticize you should first look into a mirror. "LOL"
eldudeny 4 years ago
Well said. I have long believed that we live in a culture which defines entitlement based on victim status. However, right or wrong this man deserves to be able to exercise his First Amendment rights in a classroom without fear of reprisal. It is no coincidence that the right to bear arms is the Second Amendment because without the ability to protect and defend oneself the future of the First Amendment is a tenuous one.
fight360today 4 years ago
So let's get this straight...we have to wait a year to get rid of a teacher who is a child molester and they can immediately fire a teacher for pointing a magic marker at people. Ha ha I love it.
pashrak 4 years ago
only an ignorant mind can accuse this professor of anything wrong. an idiot mind will think that his point has no validity. and for the record, a finance professor was speaking about the subject because the institution asked their faculty to do so. if a room of 25 were armed, how many people would try to enter it to try and kill all 25? come on people make some sense. it's just an opinion blown out of proportion
emel50 4 years ago
Why is a finance "professor" discussing and/or debating religion and gun control with in a FINANCE class? He makes absolutely no educationally sound connections to business. Shame on this "teacher" for using his position of authority to force his personal values/views on our students! Was he not hired to teach finance? He should be fired... He failed to perform the task he was employed to do! Just for the record..... I am a teacher :)
fickeld 4 years ago
According to him, the faculty was encouraged to engage the students on this issue. So he did. And they fired him.
jag305 4 years ago
You are correct and that is what he states. Once again... is this a negative media spin? I'm waiting to hear the university's position. I just can not imagine this was the intent of the university. I feel sure it had to be more along the lines of being aware and sensitive to the emotional state of the students in light of the VT tragedy.
fickeld 4 years ago
It was established in part one that he was asked by the school to discuss the campus shooting. Since this is a Catholic school, religion would undoubtably come up. He presented a valid point of view for discussion and was unjustly fired. If he doesn't press a lawsuit for wrongful termination, I hope he finds a job quickly at a better college.
ChristophProbst 4 years ago
He wasn't joking or kidding or mocking the shootings in any way. He wasn't reenacting it or playing it down. He was demonstating an idea that some people have to students who may or may not agree with that idea. Yeah. Serious shit did happen, but people die all the time. That doesn't mean we should never discuss the ways in which people die. If a kid plays with a toy gun or toy car is that offensive to someone who has been shot or been in a car accident?
shelbycobra131 4 years ago
We have no tolerance for that kind of behaivor kidding or not.Serious shit happened one week ago,and there are many broken and empty hearts because of that BASTARD!
Garboligist343 4 years ago
Weird!
abddfrthg 4 years ago
You're a victim of the media frenzy.People are looking to get noticed at any cost.People will hang another human being for a cookie.
JimiHenbricks 4 years ago
I have to agree with you, while I dispise Che Guruvera (sp) he did say somthing that made since: "It is better to die standing than to live on your knees" I'd rather die fighting than be lined up and shot like a cow in a slaughterhouse.
gpshaw1987 4 years ago
its not as if ammanuel college is even that great, my advice is to move on and become a professor at a better establishment
finalhourr 4 years ago
Have you ever dove out of the way when someone raises a marker into the air? He was making a valid point in a broad discussion with his class, and someone took it personally. They didn't bother to tell him that they were offended, and took their complaint to "the man" and a reasonable person got fired for it. This really had nothing to do with the VT shooting or gun control or anything. It had to do with how overly sensitive people have become. I like his term "prissy". It fits perfectly
shelbycobra131 4 years ago
Your still insultive! No place in my comment is it foolish. But not it is my turn. Your replys show your true being, lack of social skill, low I.Q with an inability to communicate.
eldudeny 4 years ago
Freedom of speech? Long gone folks...
timbokma 4 years ago
Teacher and Students need to have GUNS, to defend against insanity and to defend against each other (if they fight over grade, ect.) That makes it a balanced firefight. GO NRA GO!
NRAFourever 4 years ago
In VA you can bring a gun anywhere concealed as long as you have a license (easy to get) except a School Zone and federal buildings (which have their own security)... and see what happens...
Jimbo2552 4 years ago
Freedom of speech soon to be a thing of the pass. This political correctness and offending someone has gotten out of hand. Hell the best thing I can say to you Nick is " You were looking for a job when you found this one."
rojoknight 4 years ago
Dumb students, when i went through college there are those idiots that just want to stick to structured stuff and not use their brain to think and bring real world events and situations and explore them in the academia setting...
Jimbo2552 4 years ago
Firing for this is lunacy. It was not middle school and makes many valid points.(is this Russia?)
snwckr1 4 years ago
hmm.. well i understand where everyone is comming from and your input but dont you think its a litle too early to be re-enacting 32 murders 2 days after? I mean i dont think he should be fired for it but i think its a little harsh... my thoughts newayz
manchesterutdrocks 4 years ago
He was asked to discuss the situation and he did and was fired. What is wrong with this picture? Perhaps we should fire all teachers that can actually think for themselves. Hopefully,there will be a law suit to follow and hopefully the settlement will be large enough to make an impression on those who would consider stifling a professor's abilty to teach. The last time I checked this was America not a third world country where freedom of speech was not tolerated!
barb11100 4 years ago
Well, dude. I wish you well. Your example was perfectly acceptable and this is nothing more than political correctness and fear of law suits. Anytime a student complains the school jumps. There is always a student to be offended even if they arent really offended. Its a matter of sticking it to their professors who they dont like. This school has failed you and the students. Our wishes are with you. Please get back into a university ASAP.
dfl4701 4 years ago
Nicholas Winset, i believe you were fired for a stupid reason. You and your students have the RIGHT to speak about anything you wish anytime you wish.Its in the constitution under the freedom of speech and expression.
kiser1985 4 years ago
R.i.p virginia tech
iszekernietmakkelijk 4 years ago
The best thing we can all do is to forgive Cho for his actions.
93wwjd93 4 years ago
do you think that accidents should get bigger investigations than murders? because of the statistics..............................
iszekernietmakkelijk 4 years ago
always the statisticall argument.let me get this straight, a murder is something different than an accident. you dont go around saying oh a young girl is been killed in our town, well what the heck we have got car accidents so who cares. its the same argument you hear about terrorists attacks. but i think everybody can agree whit me that a person dying in a car accident is less disturbing than someone dying from a suicide bomb or something like that.
iszekernietmakkelijk 4 years ago
What happened at VT was a horrible tragedy.the "media coverage wasn't relevant"? 32 people lost their lives. in America we have free speech, his attitude strikes me as cold, disrespectful & seems over impressed with himself. My opinion, an ego driven video after being fired...bottom line he made a choice, his employer made a choice...we have the choice which side we agree with.God bless America!
TXLADY47 4 years ago
how do you go from "in America we have free speech" to justifying a choice made by his employer because of his speech? He was asked to talk about the subject and he did in his own way. So why fire him?
smokinlloyd 4 years ago
as i said free speech and all have opinions
TXLADY47 4 years ago
we have free speech, using good judgment in where/how we say it, is our choice. He made his choice, his employer made theirs. And as I stated we all have opinions on which side we agree on. Which is great, debate without arguing.
TXLADY47 4 years ago
Cho made a choice too. I don't get how somebody making a choice makes it right. I was suggesting the choice to fire him was not in line with the idea that we support free speech in America. Firing him was obviously done because of things he said. That seems to be a way of discouraging people to express dissenting or controversial views, which last I checked was the hallmark of free speech. In America I thought it was suppose to be that people are free to say what they want
smokinlloyd 4 years ago
Cho's actions cost innocent people their lives. There is NO comparing that to the prof's choice nor the University. Does freedom of speech give someone the right to discuss whatever they wish to say a group of 5 year olds, due to freedom of speech? My point was we all have opinions as what is considered out of line, and my belief is he was...thats what is great we do not all share the same ideas, its personal "choice" of opinion.
TXLADY47 4 years ago
You suggest the freedom is that those in control can fire, censure or censor whoever they want. I disagree with his ideas - I think guns are bad and an ideal person wsould not use lethal force against anyone like Jesus, Buddha and Ghandi lived. But I think he should be able to put them out there for discussion especially if he had been told to discuss the issue in class.
smokinlloyd 4 years ago
That is your interpretation of my statement. Like everything in life, there are repercussions to any and everything even the words we speak...
TXLADY47 4 years ago
The repercussions of words are different than those of actions. Firing a person or firing a gun is an action firing off your mouth is not.
smokinlloyd 4 years ago
Here again is my point, we have the right to our opinions...shooting your mouth off is an action...words in motion. We all are entitled to our opinions...
TXLADY47 4 years ago
So I want to know if you understand the difference between America being a place for free speech or a place where those in power are free to fire, censure or censor anyone they want?
smokinlloyd 4 years ago
Well, I want to know if you understand the difference between America being a place where we have among our freedoms, rules/norms/morals in certain areas or we would be in even greater chaos.
TXLADY47 4 years ago
Yes, I understand rules/norms TXLADY but I do not see a connection to how firing a teacher prevents chaos. Please explain?
smokinlloyd 4 years ago
he means the problem was gun control, not lack of it.
and don't get me started on "america"
gabe52 4 years ago
Wow, I didn't realize there were still professors out there like this (i.e.., who thought independently). Maybe there is still some slight hope for our educational system.
notreallyworried 4 years ago
is that not a disclaimer, "exercise?" How else do you learn? aren't we all adults at 18 or has that changed??
camthemancan 4 years ago
Okay HS seniors...before you make your decisions by May, look at this and do not go to that school.
jennycola 4 years ago
Power to the open mind. It's college. If you want one opinion, live at home forever.
Dontputyourname 4 years ago
He has his facts wrong. Yes, auto accidents are the leading killer of college-age students, but shooting deaths are number two. Thousands die from gunshot wounds every year. Lightning kills fewer than 100. There are no known deaths from meteorites.
It is irresponsible for him to suggest that students have little to fear from guns.
Freshmutt 4 years ago
Freshmutt isn't a very bright mutt. I've lot guns in my house, and I've nothing to fear from any of them. Neither does anyone else, unless they are an immediate threat myself or my family.
yellowtail3 4 years ago
Now there's an exercise in perverted statistics, you moron. Shooting deaths damn sure are NOT high on the list of deaths of college students. If you do it only by age bracket (which you're still misstating), you're including all the druggies, pimps & gang members, almost none of which are in school or on campus.
Students have little to fear from guns on campus. They have a LOT to fear if they become drug dealers and hang around in the gang-controlled parts of town.
FarmGirlJB 4 years ago
What he says or how he says it is irrelevant. He was fired for speaking his mind in a classroom full of young adults. This is AMERICA. The classroom is no place to enforce censorship. Goddamn Catholic schools. Yeah, I said it.
melboney 4 years ago
I think that college is a place of higher learning and all doors and realms should be explored. I feel terrible for the parents, students, and etc but the students are adults. The media isnt silenced, so why should this professor be?
There is only one way to deal with a situation that is so sensitive is to address it, so that people can heal. Pretending that it didnt happen is the real deception. I disagree with the school totally.
asylani 4 years ago
No worries about finding a new job professor, FOX NEWS will soon hire you as a school violence prevention "expert" by the end of the week.
FOX NEWS more right wingnuttery rants from "angry white males" for a "Fair and Balanced®" debate.
davemartin7777 4 years ago
I can't beleive the amount of people who are beleiving the show this guy is putting on to save face. This is all a show. Is he reading off a cue card or something he never looks into the camera because he is to busy focusing on what he wants to show us rather than just be honest and look into the camera bearing his soul.
kwoodman22 4 years ago
THANK YOU. That's exactly how I feel.
sareliz86 4 years ago
He gets fired for a point of view, and not even an extreme point of view at that.
topraman517 4 years ago
Well, I wasn't there for the lecture, but I think the fact that he is posting a video that basically says "hey these kids have no reason to feel any fear because this hardly ever happens" is pretty much a dick move.
dazeychain 4 years ago
indifferent, but when did you get fired for a thought experiment??? i think it must be deeper...
camthemancan 4 years ago
"bad teacher" lol.
laserC 4 years ago
This doesn't deserve to have this many people watching it. As a student at Emmanuel College I support the decision that the school made. It should be noted that while we are a catholic we are a very liberal Boston liberal arts college...
The events in the classroom made light of the events at VT, and he honestly is not a very professional guy. That can't be tolerated.
Not to mention that he was only adjunct faculty...
sareliz86 4 years ago
I have to agree with sareliz86 who said:
"This doesn't deserve to have this many people watching it. As a student at Emmanuel College I support the decision that the school made. It should be noted that while we are a catholic we are a very liberal Boston liberal arts college..."
After all, part of being "very liberal" is fighting fiercely for free speech, except for free speech we don't like.
Dutch681 4 years ago
I absolutely believe that he had every right to speak his mind about the VT tragedy. However, I don't think the right place for that was an ACCOUNTING class, and I don't think that his actions were professional at all...
I don't know all the details, but it's safe to figure that he is simply trying to save face, and that the college made a reasonable decision.
sareliz86 4 years ago
You don't think that teachers should be able to discuss issues outside of their course topic?
Do you have a list of topics that teachers can discuss? Does this list prohibit all extraneous topics, or just topics you don't like?
Dutch681 4 years ago
I don't have a problem with the topic. At this point in the semester courses should be on topic and basically to the point, however the events at VT do definitely warrant discussion. HOWEVER, that discussion should not make light of and/or mock the situation... I think it can be commonly accepted that what happened at VT was a tragedy, and that what this professor did was extremely distasteful.
Also, I believe this professor was on probation as it was...
really, I'm not that interested..
sareliz86 4 years ago
Im glad our institutes of higher learning are turning out such shining examples of virtue and morality.
/snark
fatcarl76 4 years ago
You can tell that he really got fired because he didn't take these events very seriously. In these videos he is still not taking it serious. I am willing to bet that when the classes he taught took place he was mocking the fact that he was being made to have these discussions with his students and he either told to many jokes and offended to many people and he got what he deserved.
kwoodman22 4 years ago
What this guy said. ^
Aedak33 4 years ago
Yah. I also agree w/ what KWM22 said.
The fact that the odds are against this sort of thing happening in your class room is precisely what defines this as a tragedy and why it has resulted in such a "media frenzy".
And how can one discuss Buddhism in just 30 seconds?
wmfraser00 4 years ago
what a putz...
RASinger 4 years ago
Your lucky there weren't any nuns around to slap your knuckles with a ruler. You got off easy
Inwgi 4 years ago
Sorry you lost your job. Having attended Catholic school all my life, I can tell you this isn't out of the ordinary. Some of my best lay-teachers only taught for one year. It's a shame.
Interminablespirt 4 years ago
i would fall asleep in your class!ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
mmdghr 4 years ago
VT was likely a target for Cho because it's a known anti-gun zone so his victims had no true ability to defend themselves. I support Winset 150% because it's a FACT that having an armed professor and/or student at VT could have very well saved many lives.
Open your eyes people - CRIMINALS LOVE GUN FREE ZONES.
turbotrauma 4 years ago
That makes sense, but if carrying firearms would be forbidden altogether there would be no need of gun free zones. Law enforcement and military should have weapons only. Fighting fire with fire is an ineffective and unrealistic strategy.
Code013 4 years ago
our country has been flooded with guns for well over 200 years. if we take away everyone's guns then the criminals will still be able to get them (from friends, family, etc). if there's a will, there's a way. there is no effective way to remove guns. if we allow only cops and our govt to have guns, then they will become our GODS. do you want that?
turbotrauma 4 years ago
It's an attitude like that that keeps your goverment powerful. Fear is the mindkiller. Besides, they uphold the law. If they shoot someone, the least you would expect is that they'd do it with a reason. If you, or any other civilian shoot someone, you're breaking the law, and risk legal charges.
There's no need of, or room for gunslinger cowboys, 'dirty harries' or whatever you want to call them in this world.
I can say it again, fire should be fought with water, not with more fire.
Code013 4 years ago
the average response time for a cop in my area is 15 minutes. me or my friends or family could easily be harmed within that time. i chose to protect myself and i choose to protect my family with my personal firearm.
also, if another country invades us then it will be up to us citizens to defend our country. that's impossible without GUNS.
turbotrauma 4 years ago
Yeah, the chance that 'a country' will invade the US is fairly large. You'd better take your shotgun with you when you go on holiday to the beach, you never know when the Russian boats start to appear. Oh wait, when did the nuclear era start again? Wasn't that...oh, right. Late 1990's. You're a bit late, John Doe.
Code013 4 years ago
Unsurprising comment from some Dutch teenybopper. If you don't know that the world is far more threatened by nukes now than at any time during the Cold War, you're an idiot.
And since you know shit about the US military or police (both of which I've served in), your opinion is also shit.
I'm armed, and I trust neither the police or the military.
FarmGirlJB 4 years ago
So who will protect us from law enforcement and military?
jmcdermid 4 years ago
What makes you think you need to be protected from the law enforcement and military? If they're your enemies, who are your allies?!
Apart from that, nobody has the right to take another persons life by force. Everybody who disagrees with that is just downright stupid.
Code013 4 years ago
Code - i agree with you here. but guess what? nobody has the right to change our constitution. our constitutional rights is what seperates us from a dictatorship.
i surely hope that you are a minority. it is absurd how easy you are willing to give up your rights.
turbotrauma 4 years ago
It's pretty obvious why I oppose your constitution. I don't live in the US. I live in a country where firearms are present, but very, very tightly regulated. The only ones permitted to carry a loaded firearm are the police, the military, and some other institutions. It's worked for us thusfar. Having people buy guns to protect themselves from people with guns sounds a lot like a vicious circle to me. And pretty stupid to boot.
Code013 4 years ago
Tell us how well it worked for you guys when the Nazis walked all over you in a couple of days, largely unopposed.
FarmGirlJB 4 years ago
Besides, wasn't the European Union formed áfter the second world war?
The reasons the Dutch were stomped fyi were the fact that they 1) were gravely outnumbered, 2) had a trained, but (compared to Germany) underarmed military force, 3) were caught completely by surprise.
Nobody would be stupid enough to invade a country that lies across hundreds of miles of sea. Not even Hitler.
Code013 4 years ago
"were caught completely by surprise."
Yeah that Hitler came out of no where *rolls eyes*
"Nobody would be stupid enough to invade a country that lies across hundreds of miles of sea. Not even Hitler"
Yeah the germans never planned to invade england, hundreds of miles across the sea
marksiwel 3 years ago
Back in '38, when radio used to be state of the art...yeah, Hitler came pretty much as a surprise. Anyway, were you there? If so, I feel for you. If not...shut the hell up. Moron.
Code013 3 years ago
You Americans were lucky Germany was fighting a war on two fronts, or they'd have pushed you right back into the sea. Their war machine was far superior. You got lucky, that's all.
Code013 4 years ago 2
what is this nonsence your babbeling about?
breana1965 4 years ago
Hey, Code013, the scoreboard doesn't show pictures... how did that WWII thing work out for Germany, anyway?
VirgilioLeon 4 years ago
They were defeated by combined forces. Mind you, three of the world's (back then) most powerful nations were involved in this war; the US of A, Russia and Great Britain, the military superpowers of that time. If it took al three of them to overcome Germany, what do you think would've happened if America would've gone at it alone? It takes little deduction. They'd have lost.
Code013 3 years ago
Hey dumbass, we were fighting Japan at the same time we were fighting Germany. So blow it out your ass. We were on two fronts too.
theunbubba 2 years ago
He's European. They really have no rights, except as it pleases their masters.
Which will be fun to watch when the Moslems reach a voting level of about 40%, and start bending their laws.
FarmGirlJB 4 years ago
You're an american. And the Zionists call the tune
hipsxnxheartx 4 years ago
Because police and soldiers can go bad and kill innocent people, just as normal everyday citizens can go bad and kill innocent people.
jmcdermid 4 years ago
good point - the constiution clearly outlines that citizens have a responsibility to protect this country from a tyrannical government. very well put.
i guess people like Code must trust the government 100% and believe that only "good people" run our country. what a shame.
turbotrauma 4 years ago
On the contrary. I don't trust the US government a single percent. But althought they regulate the country, the people in the field, the police officers and the grunts, the soldiers, have the responsibility to protect the citizens. You don't live in Iraq. There are no people with AK-47s every next door you knock on. Don't arm yourself against ghosts. Waving a gun in someone's face might get you your way the first time, but when they start shooting back, you're in a world of shit.
Code013 4 years ago
you say "don't arm yourself against ghosts". i bought my gun after my roomate was robbed at gunpoint. he was not robbed by a ghost, but a human being. do you understand how real crime is? please try to understand that some people have a very good reason to own a gun.
turbotrauma 4 years ago
I have plenty of respect for the average joe. I just don't think that a person who has no experience teaching classes has the credentials to say what should and shouldn't be taught in a classroom, or how students deserve to be treated. In the end, I find this teacher's conduct toward his students to be disrespectful and selfish. I assume his graduate program gave him some training in how to facilitate a class discussion and how to lead a class without being overly didactic.
shapokliyak 4 years ago
so, only a teacher knows and understands how to treat a student? An average joe with 12 years of experience in a classroom, with both good and bad teachers, is unqualified to know how a class can be conducted? Now, the average joe might not appreciate the effort and the difficulty of communicating to a large audience. With how they should be treated I think they are more than qualified. This teacher may be overly didactic, but try rereading your own statements.
limbrip 4 years ago
Limbrip, bear in mind that You Tube is not my classroom. I'm didactic as all get-out here. I also tell people to fuck off here. It's not my classroom. Once I'm in the classroom, I rely on four years of direct training in classroom methodology to direct my interactions with students. It would never occur to me to try to indoctrinate students with the kind of overly-dramatic display this jerk was guilty of.
shapokliyak 4 years ago
This Prof is an Idiot, Guns do kill and Sanity is not permanent. So Who is the Police going to shoot at , or for that matter other students would kill each other not knowing who the killer in a situation like Va. Free Speech does have limits . You are have been fed a lot of BS from the NRA . The Constitution doesnt say the Right to Bear arms ............ Read your Second Amendment
Sammy0414 4 years ago
So shall we have an anti sword and knives act? i'm a master swordsmen =)
davidk921921 4 years ago
The Constitution doesnt say the Right to Bear arms ............
Really?
dgman20 4 years ago
I wish we had professors that had the balls to stand up and say what they are thinking. Freedom of speech should be recognized at the HIGHEST level in any academic setting. I assure you that if you followed the norm, and just said "guns are bad," well, you would probably still have your job. What a shame. Keep fighting. Hire an attorney.
dgman20 4 years ago
Is guarantees the right to arm bears. But only
well-regulated ones.
danielcurzon 4 years ago
I read my Second Amendment, it said:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
If your Constitution doesn't this too, you might have an old copy. Make your copy doesn't have the words "Magna Carta" or "Code of Hamurabi" on it.
Dutch681 4 years ago
Dutch681 wins.
topraman517 4 years ago
Dutch681, awesome.
fatcarl76 4 years ago
not knowing who the killer is? perhaps it's the guy with the gun - not the people hiding under desks. you must be very smart /sarcasm
turbotrauma 4 years ago
Too bad none of your students has posted a video in support. I hope you're more dynamic as a teacher, but you also seem smart and well thought-out. Shame on the school (Catholics...go figure).
60SecondsOn 4 years ago
Not all Catholics: I've attended Catholic school, but almost the entire school population was liberal and this kind of thing never would have happened there. So "Some Catholics. Go fig."
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Anninymous 4 years ago
Yawn, the Dixie chicks got death threats for exercising THEIR free speech right.
SHUT UP and teach, accounting, professor.
davemartin7777 4 years ago
Well what ever happened to what American's used to call "Freedom of Speech"???????
Massivehole 4 years ago
No abridgment of free speech pal, but try talking anti-Republican smack if your boss is a dem or anti-dem smack if your boss is a Republican... see how many days you last on the job. Most jobs in America are fire "at will".
Support America's Unions if you disagree.
davemartin7777 4 years ago
can be ventured. I SUPPORT THE TEACHER WINSLETT. Regardless of what was discussed, I don't think there was any malicious intent and people need to be able to express themselves in such circumstances. To cut it all off, just creates a bizarre dual universe. One where nothing is discussed (like this school) and another where nothing is not discussed (like Youtube).
smilingzebra 4 years ago
The administrators know they were completely irresponsible in failing to respond timely to the killings. I'm sure that if a student had parked illegally, the school's security team would have been all over that student. But when human life was threatened, well, they just couldn't get around to the problem. The firing of this teacher is an attack on free speech. Why anyone would ever want to apply to this school in the future is a complete mystery.
JCHFeldman 4 years ago
There's a defined line between liberalism and traditional freedom for an open discussion in a university classroom. If you are offended by such discussions, you should perhaps reevaluate your justification for being in the classroom in the first place.
randomphenomena 4 years ago
thats right, dont talk about the shootings, go back to your american idol and reality tv, forget the dead, just like you forget the dead soliders in iraq, and the dead iraqi people.
pathetic people like you digust me.
dont both messaging me, when i want an opinion ill ask for it.
akhans1 4 years ago
Who do proffs learn to just talk and talk like that and still make sense and progress amongst a seriers of unique points... It is not a skill many people have (as anyone who has watched youtube video responses could attest).
ShahidMiller 4 years ago
I attend this school, and no offense to all of you out there criticizing us but I think joking about a situation and simulating it in a FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING class is irresponsible and insensitive especially considering that students and faculty here knew students who lost their lives. You don't know the college, and you only know this one man's account. It was a student response that caused this. Administration acted on behalf of the students and I think it was a justifiable reason.
katurr 4 years ago
It is easy to justify a firing when it is not you. Just hope you never end up in that position, getting fired for what you where told to do. It does happen and do not think it does not.
jake0391 4 years ago