o my Lord. ive done this n front of ppl a few times. and evry time i hear it/say along w/ it i cry. i NVR cry. girl or not. God nvr meant 4 me 2 cry but i cant help it when listenin 2 this. :'-)
Uhhh, okay, I got here via a "friend suggestion" on Facebook from my graduating class, who have all apparently turned into Bible-bangers. "Jesus for President" - may I please ask how you are going to PULL THIS OFF? Will the Easter Bunny be the vice-president? The Tooth Fairy as the Attorney General?
@AmusedChild The idea is that the phrase "Jesus is Lord" (found in the New Testament, and oft-repeated by the earliest church...even after Jesus' death) is an inherently political statement, for in declaring it you are also declaring that "Caesar is not." The phrase "Jesus is Lord" no longer carries that same connotation for modern-day Americans so Shane coined the phrase "Jesus for President" in order to convey a similar political nuance. You don't have to agree, but do you understand?
@zackmallen Yes, I get you - I was being facetious. (Actually, I was making an inside joke about how my formerly wild classmates have become so straight-up, whereas I, the nerd, have become a nerdy wild girl.)
it also says in the Bible that we are not to wear mixed fabrics, and to abstain from eating blood. it also tells us we should be circumsised amongst other things.
now im guessing you dont agree that we as Christians shouldnt be bound to such laws. why on earth then, do you use the O.T. to then justify war?
saxi800m is right... Jesus doesn't tell us that turning the other cheek is an option.. he says "turn the other cheek", and when he says love your enemies he doesn't mean, well you can kill them when they endanger your family and your country... he says "love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you" and he finishes it with "Be perfect, therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect" which confirms all question of violence or hatred. it is wrong.
I would buy that, except the fact that there are no records of 1st century Christians protecting themselves. It may be that you are practicing eisegesis on the Text to protect your comfortable life. Read Hebrews, we are meant to suffer to complete the work. We are to serve and love our enemies, and do good to those that hate us. We are not to cut off the ears of those that will persecute us, we are to heal them.
Oh dude, you've got it so wrong. It's not weak to love and forgive, it's so much harder than to hate and create grudges. You cannot differentiate between an individual and a collective (collectives being made up of individuals etc), what Jesus said applies to EVERYONE. Violence begets violence, and fear begets fear. Similarly, love begets love. Do you think Jesus would recommend a bombing campaign, under any circumstance?
You create a false dichotomy and are incorrect by implying it is loving to step aside and let a murderous dictator continue to rape and torture and commit genocide and incorrect by implying that it is hateful and a mere grudge to step in and liberate our brothers and sisters. I do think Jesus would recommend a bombing campaign under certain circumstances--haven't you ever read Revelations? God raises up governments to keep evil in check--he doesn't raise them to endorse murder and mayhem.
No, this is a true dichotomy - love or hate, it really is this simple! It is our duty to love, not to 'keep evil in check'. What we need to do is find powerful expressions of love to demonstrate our cause. The false dichotomy is believing that loving equates to being weak, and that the hate expressed in retaliation is strong. Jesus showed us that it is possible to be loving and strong simultaneously. All you need do is look at his ultimate expression of strength and love - the cross.
When Peter raises the sword to defend an innocent Jesus he is immediately rebuked. Violence is the way of worldly kingdoms but Christ's kingdom is not of this world. Dictators that commit genocide and torture are the victims of cyclical violence. Until one side finally humbles themselves and truly does turn the other cheek, this cyclical violence will forever continue. Just remember that the same Rome Jesus stood against believed in the concept of "Peace through War" represented in your post.
Seriously? that is so out of context. There is no comparison between Jesus offering himself as a sacrifice and Genocidal Sudan sacrificing its people for its own pleasure. Can you not understand that when govt stops protecting its people, it is complicit in the murder of its people? God expects governments to hold evil in check-not make it easier to kill the innocent. Just remember, when you choose to have gov't turn the other cheek, u share the blame for genocide that was left unchecked.
We are called to resist evil but in a Christian way. We do not have to respond with violence to defeat it. "And when he had disarmed the rulers and the authorities he made a public spectacle of them triumphing over them in the cross"(Col 2:15). This is how Christians are to triumph over evil authorities of this world. Our allegiance is to the sacrificial lamb rather than the sword. Many Christians are in the camp that sees non-violent resistance as unrealistic..Where has their faith gone?
have you not noticed what the saint do in revalation? they are not part of the violence. Punishment and Judgement are for God and God alone to give out. How can you liberate people by using the same violence as their oppressors do?
To answer your question directly, I would cite the Allied Powers against Hitler in WW2. God used that coalition-- and the instrument of war-- to liberate the French, Belgians, Poles, Germans, Jews, Italians, North Africans, and others from the scourge of Nazism.
I'm a bit on the fence of this topic of Christians in gov't and the role of war in international politics. Sometimes, it seems, some people can't be "loved into good behavior." Sometimes, you have to fight and destroy the oppressor.
I believe you and I would agree that if persecuted, our initiative as the body of Christ shouldn't be to end the persecution through violence or capitulation.
But that's Christians under persecution.
I get a bit wary of the Claiborne types who oppose all war all the time. In this secular world, as my previous example illustrates, sometimes the forces of "good" have to destroy the forces of "evil."
Go back and read the Scriptures. Jesus' instructions were for individual followers and NOT governments. He was not a Christian version of an Islamist. If you really think "turn the other cheek" is a law for governments, then whether you admit it or not, you support giving rapists free access to our kids. After all, we should just turn that cheek right over any time these perps attack our families---laws and consequences be damned. The Jesus I serve and I hope you serve is not into that.
then a very sincere question you need to ask as a Christian is this. what is our role in relation to government? look up the early churches stance on this, and you may be surprised to find that most church leaders woud be of the opinion that it is not a christians role to be in governmental leadership.
You are extending a teach of Christ for individual followers and misapplying it to a concept for rule of law and government. It might make a convenient cover for your political viewpoint, but it is an awful misrepresentation of the nature and character of god, my friend. My Jesus would not have parents "turn the other cheek" at the would be rapist of their child by offering them the other kid and his own key to the house.
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This guy seems earnest, but his immature worldview undermines the message he is trying to convey. Billions wasted in war? The myth of redemptive violence? He should go back to the history books and reread the Bible a bit more to understand the proper place of war and violence when confronting evil. Without it, he would not have the freedom to walk around the stage saying big words in big prayers that paint a warped portrayal of god's nature and character.
We need not gather around one man, but one God. Shane doesn't and never wanted to be the arrowhead of this awakening. He is just a guy trying to live the way Jesus told him to. Shouldn't we just do the same?
I think what is more disturbing is that this was a church LEADERS conference, these were not just followers but the supposed leaders of the followers of Yeshua. Pax americana has taken its roots, and they are deep.
As you listen you can hear the very clear anti war anti violence and anti empire message, I love brian and shane... these where the things I overheard people commenting about. America is obsessed with the myth of redemptive violence.
Shane doesn't just talk it--he lives it. He doesn't try to say he's better than anyone else. He'd be the first to say he messes up. He just has a deep passion to live among the poor & to try to follow the teachings of Jesus to the best of his ability. He wants Christians to respond to the responsibilities we have as followers of Jesus.
Claiborne's liberal social gospel can be heard any week on Oprah. Men are attracted to masculine true biblical gospel and not a woosie Hollywood-portrayed hippie Jesus wannabe. No wonder why the church can't attract MEN. No wonder!
Claiborne's liberal social gospel can be heard any week on Oprah. Men are attracted to masculine true biblical gospel and not a woosie Hollywood-portrayed hippie Jesus wannabe. No wonder why the church can't attract MEN. No wonder!
I believe he meant it. I saw him speak this live, and I heard his testimony a moments before he read this aloud...and from that I believe he meant every word. But whether or not he meant them, that does not change that fact that everything he said was full truth. Truth cannot be seperated from God no matter who is speaking it.
@makebank93: wait what? is it a website?
brianator145 7 months ago
@terminater3: yea hotsteeze is awesome i use it all the time to find new tricks
makebank93 7 months ago
Looks like he copied the Catholic Liturgy and used it for his own gain of popularity
justinkeck 11 months ago
@justinkeck have some generosity friend, you'll sleep better :) God Bless.
BrotherDonovan 6 months ago
To put it simply, Shane just believes that Jesus meant what he said
roscosity 1 year ago
o my Lord. ive done this n front of ppl a few times. and evry time i hear it/say along w/ it i cry. i NVR cry. girl or not. God nvr meant 4 me 2 cry but i cant help it when listenin 2 this. :'-)
Schickrevolutionist 1 year ago
Uhhh, okay, I got here via a "friend suggestion" on Facebook from my graduating class, who have all apparently turned into Bible-bangers. "Jesus for President" - may I please ask how you are going to PULL THIS OFF? Will the Easter Bunny be the vice-president? The Tooth Fairy as the Attorney General?
AmusedChild 2 years ago
@AmusedChild The idea is that the phrase "Jesus is Lord" (found in the New Testament, and oft-repeated by the earliest church...even after Jesus' death) is an inherently political statement, for in declaring it you are also declaring that "Caesar is not." The phrase "Jesus is Lord" no longer carries that same connotation for modern-day Americans so Shane coined the phrase "Jesus for President" in order to convey a similar political nuance. You don't have to agree, but do you understand?
zackmallen 1 year ago
@zackmallen Yes, I get you - I was being facetious. (Actually, I was making an inside joke about how my formerly wild classmates have become so straight-up, whereas I, the nerd, have become a nerdy wild girl.)
AmusedChild 1 year ago
it also says in the Bible that we are not to wear mixed fabrics, and to abstain from eating blood. it also tells us we should be circumsised amongst other things.
now im guessing you dont agree that we as Christians shouldnt be bound to such laws. why on earth then, do you use the O.T. to then justify war?
hebrews13v5 2 years ago
saxi800m is right... Jesus doesn't tell us that turning the other cheek is an option.. he says "turn the other cheek", and when he says love your enemies he doesn't mean, well you can kill them when they endanger your family and your country... he says "love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you" and he finishes it with "Be perfect, therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect" which confirms all question of violence or hatred. it is wrong.
Jkthripr1991 2 years ago
Beautiful. praise Jesus.This is wonderful.
boomac62 2 years ago
I would buy that, except the fact that there are no records of 1st century Christians protecting themselves. It may be that you are practicing eisegesis on the Text to protect your comfortable life. Read Hebrews, we are meant to suffer to complete the work. We are to serve and love our enemies, and do good to those that hate us. We are not to cut off the ears of those that will persecute us, we are to heal them.
jimdawg185 3 years ago
Amen...
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campanilla06 3 years ago
Amen. Started to cry in the middle of the prayer.. Amen brother, lets work toghether.
nitarna 3 years ago 3
+1 here
wiredance 3 years ago
Oh dude, you've got it so wrong. It's not weak to love and forgive, it's so much harder than to hate and create grudges. You cannot differentiate between an individual and a collective (collectives being made up of individuals etc), what Jesus said applies to EVERYONE. Violence begets violence, and fear begets fear. Similarly, love begets love. Do you think Jesus would recommend a bombing campaign, under any circumstance?
samkeen 3 years ago
You create a false dichotomy and are incorrect by implying it is loving to step aside and let a murderous dictator continue to rape and torture and commit genocide and incorrect by implying that it is hateful and a mere grudge to step in and liberate our brothers and sisters. I do think Jesus would recommend a bombing campaign under certain circumstances--haven't you ever read Revelations? God raises up governments to keep evil in check--he doesn't raise them to endorse murder and mayhem.
cmunkine 3 years ago
No, this is a true dichotomy - love or hate, it really is this simple! It is our duty to love, not to 'keep evil in check'. What we need to do is find powerful expressions of love to demonstrate our cause. The false dichotomy is believing that loving equates to being weak, and that the hate expressed in retaliation is strong. Jesus showed us that it is possible to be loving and strong simultaneously. All you need do is look at his ultimate expression of strength and love - the cross.
samkeen 3 years ago
When Peter raises the sword to defend an innocent Jesus he is immediately rebuked. Violence is the way of worldly kingdoms but Christ's kingdom is not of this world. Dictators that commit genocide and torture are the victims of cyclical violence. Until one side finally humbles themselves and truly does turn the other cheek, this cyclical violence will forever continue. Just remember that the same Rome Jesus stood against believed in the concept of "Peace through War" represented in your post.
Shanerville 3 years ago 2
Seriously? that is so out of context. There is no comparison between Jesus offering himself as a sacrifice and Genocidal Sudan sacrificing its people for its own pleasure. Can you not understand that when govt stops protecting its people, it is complicit in the murder of its people? God expects governments to hold evil in check-not make it easier to kill the innocent. Just remember, when you choose to have gov't turn the other cheek, u share the blame for genocide that was left unchecked.
cmunkine 3 years ago
We are called to resist evil but in a Christian way. We do not have to respond with violence to defeat it. "And when he had disarmed the rulers and the authorities he made a public spectacle of them triumphing over them in the cross"(Col 2:15). This is how Christians are to triumph over evil authorities of this world. Our allegiance is to the sacrificial lamb rather than the sword. Many Christians are in the camp that sees non-violent resistance as unrealistic..Where has their faith gone?
Shanerville 3 years ago 3
have you not noticed what the saint do in revalation? they are not part of the violence. Punishment and Judgement are for God and God alone to give out. How can you liberate people by using the same violence as their oppressors do?
hebrews13v5 3 years ago
To answer your question directly, I would cite the Allied Powers against Hitler in WW2. God used that coalition-- and the instrument of war-- to liberate the French, Belgians, Poles, Germans, Jews, Italians, North Africans, and others from the scourge of Nazism.
I'm a bit on the fence of this topic of Christians in gov't and the role of war in international politics. Sometimes, it seems, some people can't be "loved into good behavior." Sometimes, you have to fight and destroy the oppressor.
wct44 3 years ago
then why didn't the christians in the early church fight back? surely they had cause to?
hebrews13v5 3 years ago
I think that's two different issues.
I believe you and I would agree that if persecuted, our initiative as the body of Christ shouldn't be to end the persecution through violence or capitulation.
But that's Christians under persecution.
I get a bit wary of the Claiborne types who oppose all war all the time. In this secular world, as my previous example illustrates, sometimes the forces of "good" have to destroy the forces of "evil."
wct44 3 years ago
so you wouldn't kill for people that believe the same as you, but you would for others?
surey we shoud seek to end all violence without being violent or not, regardless of anything?
hebrews13v5 3 years ago
Go back and read the Scriptures. Jesus' instructions were for individual followers and NOT governments. He was not a Christian version of an Islamist. If you really think "turn the other cheek" is a law for governments, then whether you admit it or not, you support giving rapists free access to our kids. After all, we should just turn that cheek right over any time these perps attack our families---laws and consequences be damned. The Jesus I serve and I hope you serve is not into that.
cmunkine 3 years ago
then a very sincere question you need to ask as a Christian is this. what is our role in relation to government? look up the early churches stance on this, and you may be surprised to find that most church leaders woud be of the opinion that it is not a christians role to be in governmental leadership.
what do you think?
hebrews13v5 3 years ago 2
You are extending a teach of Christ for individual followers and misapplying it to a concept for rule of law and government. It might make a convenient cover for your political viewpoint, but it is an awful misrepresentation of the nature and character of god, my friend. My Jesus would not have parents "turn the other cheek" at the would be rapist of their child by offering them the other kid and his own key to the house.
cmunkine 3 years ago
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This guy seems earnest, but his immature worldview undermines the message he is trying to convey. Billions wasted in war? The myth of redemptive violence? He should go back to the history books and reread the Bible a bit more to understand the proper place of war and violence when confronting evil. Without it, he would not have the freedom to walk around the stage saying big words in big prayers that paint a warped portrayal of god's nature and character.
cmunkine 3 years ago
When is there a proper place for violence?
My Jesus says to turn the other cheek.
aaronpurdy 3 years ago 3
We need not gather around one man, but one God. Shane doesn't and never wanted to be the arrowhead of this awakening. He is just a guy trying to live the way Jesus told him to. Shouldn't we just do the same?
Delusional101 3 years ago 3
I was there, I didn't understand the booing. What did Shane say that was not truth? Get over it America, YOU ARE NOT A NATION UNDER GOD.
crisbeam 3 years ago
Reminds me of how King Josia converted.
denolaj 3 years ago
lamb of god awesome band
chezequerz 3 years ago
I think what is more disturbing is that this was a church LEADERS conference, these were not just followers but the supposed leaders of the followers of Yeshua. Pax americana has taken its roots, and they are deep.
jimdawg185 4 years ago
As you listen you can hear the very clear anti war anti violence and anti empire message, I love brian and shane... these where the things I overheard people commenting about. America is obsessed with the myth of redemptive violence.
jimdawg185 4 years ago 4
Shane doesn't just talk it--he lives it. He doesn't try to say he's better than anyone else. He'd be the first to say he messes up. He just has a deep passion to live among the poor & to try to follow the teachings of Jesus to the best of his ability. He wants Christians to respond to the responsibilities we have as followers of Jesus.
Jennigeek 4 years ago 7
Words, words, and more words.
Doesn't change anything, does it?
OllieMugwump 4 years ago
Especially if you aren't listening.
artnewman1 4 years ago 3
i guess one way to tell is to look at their lives.
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TownhallVideos 4 years ago
Interesting, but did he mean it? Did they mean it? Who can say? Not me.
PennyDropper 4 years ago
I'm confused on what would provoke such a statement PennyDropper
oasnap 4 years ago
I believe he meant it. I saw him speak this live, and I heard his testimony a moments before he read this aloud...and from that I believe he meant every word. But whether or not he meant them, that does not change that fact that everything he said was full truth. Truth cannot be seperated from God no matter who is speaking it.
SourceCommunity 3 years ago
Agree! BTW where was he speaking at?
adhfan75 4 years ago
a church conference in atlanta. I was there and angry at the booing. Lets just say I dont think he was very welcome there.
jimdawg185 4 years ago
amazing
chloeadele 4 years ago 2