there is a mistake in the translation in chapter 3 verse 55. There is no mentioning of victory. the meaning is that Allah set the people who followed Jesus above the disbelievers and regarded them higher.
I don't think your translation "above" is the best. Perhaps "superior". The sense of having "victory over" seems to make sense in the context. I want to give this more thought.
And so, In part 1 of this series, the speaker makes this very connection himself. Let's go back to 3:55 - "I will make those who follow thee superios to those who reject faith to the Day of Judgement..." Therefore, the Muslimes shall be superior till the day of judgement.
Again, I agree with you that those who follow and worship Jesus as Lord are the only true Muslims (those obedient to God's will). They will be victorious in Christ until the end! Praise Jesus!
but the point sam is making here is that the christians who believe in the crucifiction of Jesus were the superior ones... that was the following of Jesus that survived and was superior until this day.. not any other belief since the time of Jesus.. so if you think the islamic belief of what happened to Jesus was superior then you are easily refuted because clearly the crucified Jesus was the belief that was superior
hmmm. And yet 3 verses before 3:55 (which is 3:52) what do the disciples say? "Said the disciples: We are Allah's helpers, we believe in Allah, and DO THOU BEAR WITNESS THAT WE ARE MUSLIMS". So...The disciples were the followers of Jesus, and Muslims believe the disciples were Muslims so doesn't that make the followers of Jesus Muslims?
unfortuantley there wern't any muslims there to correct him, this verse is attesting the verses preceding it that i.e the muslims which actually means the people who have submited to the wil of god are the believers so the Quran says that those that say that Jesus is God are blasphyming, it ain't the muslims whic say he is God, so god says the people that believe in you only as a prophet are on the right path, here is the verse
Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.
Thanks for correctly translating 'terminating your life' for the Arabic word 'Mutwafiqa', so you agree that Jesus died on the Cross??? You must be wondering that why Muslims keep denying the death of Jesus despite this Koranic verse???
If you agree that Jesus died, then you must be in agreement with his resurrection & ascension as well, as God didn't raise him to Himself when he was still alive!!!
people, please look at this christianity. It's a man made religion. it's false....please study Islam than you will see the truth..just give it a try.
gosillygirl 2 years ago
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TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
Zoughi, I also see it rendered "I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection."
I'm not an expert on this issue, but I think the point stands.
cclorance 3 years ago
there is a mistake in the translation in chapter 3 verse 55. There is no mentioning of victory. the meaning is that Allah set the people who followed Jesus above the disbelievers and regarded them higher.
Zoughi 3 years ago
I don't think your translation "above" is the best. Perhaps "superior". The sense of having "victory over" seems to make sense in the context. I want to give this more thought.
cclorance 3 years ago
There is no dillema here. The muslims are the true followers of christ.
okmaradona10 3 years ago
yes Muslims are christians !
duhh
LeaveMoAlone 3 years ago
And so, In part 1 of this series, the speaker makes this very connection himself. Let's go back to 3:55 - "I will make those who follow thee superios to those who reject faith to the Day of Judgement..." Therefore, the Muslimes shall be superior till the day of judgement.
peacemanpro 3 years ago
Again, I agree with you that those who follow and worship Jesus as Lord are the only true Muslims (those obedient to God's will). They will be victorious in Christ until the end! Praise Jesus!
cclorance 3 years ago
but the point sam is making here is that the christians who believe in the crucifiction of Jesus were the superior ones... that was the following of Jesus that survived and was superior until this day.. not any other belief since the time of Jesus.. so if you think the islamic belief of what happened to Jesus was superior then you are easily refuted because clearly the crucified Jesus was the belief that was superior
mrfiji84 2 years ago
hmmm. And yet 3 verses before 3:55 (which is 3:52) what do the disciples say? "Said the disciples: We are Allah's helpers, we believe in Allah, and DO THOU BEAR WITNESS THAT WE ARE MUSLIMS". So...The disciples were the followers of Jesus, and Muslims believe the disciples were Muslims so doesn't that make the followers of Jesus Muslims?
peacemanpro 3 years ago
unfortuantley there wern't any muslims there to correct him, this verse is attesting the verses preceding it that i.e the muslims which actually means the people who have submited to the wil of god are the believers so the Quran says that those that say that Jesus is God are blasphyming, it ain't the muslims whic say he is God, so god says the people that believe in you only as a prophet are on the right path, here is the verse
khansss333 3 years ago
Why would you presume that there were no Muslims present?
cclorance 3 years ago
Thus, GOD said, "O Jesus, I am terminating your life, raising you to Me, and ridding you of the disbelievers. I will exalt those who follow you above those who disbelieve, till the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is the ultimate destiny of all of you, then I will judge among you regarding your disputes.
khansss333 3 years ago
Thanks for correctly translating 'terminating your life' for the Arabic word 'Mutwafiqa', so you agree that Jesus died on the Cross??? You must be wondering that why Muslims keep denying the death of Jesus despite this Koranic verse???
If you agree that Jesus died, then you must be in agreement with his resurrection & ascension as well, as God didn't raise him to Himself when he was still alive!!!
myonlyrefuge 3 years ago