@sablebush Most of the time I don't use a footprint, but most of the time I've been able to pitch my tents on grass, dirt, pine needles, etc. If I knew that the ground was going to be more severe, such as rocky, I'd use one. It also depends on the thickness of the tent floor. The heavier tents sometimes have a thicker floor, and the ultralights like the Big Agnes UL series have a somewhat thin floor, and if you use your tent a lot, a footprint will extend the tent floor life.
@TheExtremeOutdoors I did consider the Firstlight, especially given it's single wall design for quick setup. However, it's gotten a lot of critical reviews on its ability to stay dry in wet weather. Some of that has to do with Black Diamond not properly sealing the seams, as well as the condensation issues in a single wall tent, but overall the single wall design is better for alpine enviros versus the wetter ones.
There are deffinitely some beautiful tents out there. Some great designs, too. There are alternitives though. You can get an inexspensive tent and seal it up with sprays, and they need it, replace the plastic poles with dowel or arrow shafts and you've got a storm proof tent for less than fifty dollars. Lightweight backpacking is quite affordable if one gets away from, 'buy the best gear out there' mentality. Satisfying too. There are excellent DIY projects that can save you hundreds of dollars.
@rainbowhiker Thanks for the feedback. You're right, there are so many options on tents, and with a little work one can build a tent from scratch, or modify an inexpensive tent, and I've definitely been down that road in years past. It'll save you a lot of money and can be fun.
@bedarda Great to hear that! I only have about 15-20 nights in mine, but it seems to be holding up fine. I didn't get the footprint with it, but I've been camping in areas with soft surfaces (pine forests, etc). I still think I'll get the BA footprint to extend the bottoms life. Thanks for the feedback!
Guess Terra Nova hasn't broke through in the US market yet ? Once they do you guys will go crazy for the tents. Like 700g for a 2 man tent, its insanley ridiculous ! Only gripe I have with buying a Big Agnes is that its inner pitch first which over here in Scotland can generally mean a wet inner when pitching most days lol !
@pikeflyfisherman I haven't seen Terra Nova in the stores here in the US yet, but we do have access to them through online retailers. They are on the expensive side, starting at $300 US and going up from there. But they are very nice, and you are right about the outer pitch first being handy in wet weather. (For those wondering: Outer pitch means you can get the rain shell up first, allowing you a relatively dry area to work under to set up the actual tent.) Thanks for the info!
If you are looking for a tent go check out Mt. Hardware, nothing like them! I have the Drifter 2, which is a 2 person tent, yes a little heavy at 5 lbs but I promise you will not get wet and stay secure in it. On my first night out a serious super strong thunderstorm came in which flash flood warnings were issued, along with hail, lighting, and rain the drifter 2 stood strong. I woke up dry as could be even though my tent was in a 3" deep puddle of water. Drifter 2, or you can get the single.
@lawson863 Absolutely. Like Eureka, Sierra Designs, MSR, and a few others, Mountain Hardware tents always get good reviews. But, like you mentioned, the downside is that they tend to be very heavy for backpackers looking to carry a tent for solo use. But I wouldn't hesitate recommending Mountain Hardware for bomber tents. Nice gear.
@FUNisUnderRated I never had a leak or even a moist spot in my MSR tents (Hubba or Hubba Hubba). As for what is "too thin", I guess it's all relative in comparison to other tents. The floor / tub area of the MSR tents seem to be very durable as compared to some of the much more "very ultralight" tents like the Big Agnes light series. But if you compare the MSR tents to a Coleman "family" style tent, even the MSR tent floors seem thin.
@FUNisUnderRated No problem! Another item to note is that I always spray at least my tents floor/bathtub area (and the rainfly as well) with a good waterproofing product such as Nikwax spray, just to add to the manufacturer's water repellent. I re-do them about once per year. Also, while I don't always use a footprint / ground tarp, I will carry one if I know I'm going to be on ground that may be abusive to the bottom of the tent.
@zukowitz1 Eureka makes some nice tents. They're pretty rugged (as compared to some of the ultralight tents), and they tend to be warmer for the colder expeditions. However, one serious downside is that it is heavy with a capital H, coming in close to 6 POUNDs for the packed weight. But if two people were to share it, you could split the packed weight between you. But in the quest for lighter packs, Eureka discontinued it.
@upupaepops your definitely right.... my eureka backcountry is a bit on heavy side if Im trying to cut pack weight down but i had consiidered the eureka 1 person backcounty, as well as the tarps and now the big agnes which you just educated me on. . . intersting and very helpful. i do want to go lighter since im overweight and getting back into backpacking and don't need the xtra weight...... lol.
I must say that your back yard is much nicer than mine !!! And I am on the same page as you as I also have many tents = car camping tents and backpacking tents, hammocks & tarps & screen houses. I just wish I had a large back yard to set them up and enjoy as you do. That is fun !!!!
Too short for someone over 6'2" like me. I just don't get why they can't make an extended version for taller people. I mean, would it kill these assholes to add 10 inches to the narrow end? I am finding it nigh unto impossible to find a backpacking tent for my 6'5" frame.
@gaozhi2007 You're right. They pretty much build these 1 - 2 person tents for the "average" height person. For people over 6' tall, I've seen some go to a 3 person tent, even though it may mean an extra pound or so, as the 3 person tents tend to be longer. However, there are a few 2 person longer tents. Check out the REI Halfdome 2 Plus, which is about 10 inches longer than the regular Half Dome, and the Sierra Designs Vapor Light 2 XL, longer than the standard Vapor Light 2 for starters.
@upupaepops ah, thanks for the suggestion of the capor light. I already tried out the half dome 3 plus and it is long enough, but heavy. I will probably go with the quarter dome t2 plus because it weighs a pound less, just costs $100 more. I will check out that vapor light 2. I really wish all these guys would just add 5-10 inches for a plus option like rei does. They are missing a potential market.
@gaozhi2007 Sierra Designs makes a good product, probably worth the extra $100, especially in the Vapor Trail 2 XL version which is 93" long, 10 inches longer than the standard Vapor Trail 2 at 83". Let me know what you find out !
@uluuluululu It's gone through a pretty drenching rain for about 20 minutes, and slow steady precipitation for a better part of the day, and it's been bone dry. I questioned it myself before getting it, but all the other reviewers were giving it top marks on "water proofness". I think the 1200mm "waterproofing" may confuse some, because the fly is a silicone treated ripstop nylon PLUS a 1200mm waterproof polyurethane coating.
@nismogtp LOL, yep, Your the second one to notice that. The dead giveaway is that the rainfly door should be of the same orientation as the door to the tent. It didn't occur to me until after I had shot the video, and was taking the tent down. But by then, I figured it was good enough to demonstrate what the fly and vestibule looked like. Thanks for watching!
@ericambrosecoon Not sure how to answer that..... liters is a volumetric measurement, while we usually measure our bodies in weight and / or height. I'm 5'9" tall and 170 pounds, if that helps.
@octo1986 You can't go wrong either way. The are exactly the same interior size at 22 sqft. The Marmot has a 6.5 sqft vestibule, the BA is 5.5. The vestibule is more functional on the Marmot since it is on the side. The Marmot is also free standing, while the BA will need the rear corners staked out. The BA is 1 pound lighter at 2 lbs to the Marmot's 3 lbs. But the BA is about $300 and the Marmot about $220. Unless weight is the ultimate goal, I'd lean toward the Marmot.
now another one challenger in line - "Terra nova solar competition/photon (what the driffernce between this two models?)".i need free standing tent and packed size are most important parameter, cause i will use it in special bike frame bag. your thoughts ?
@octo1986 Not very much difference between Terra Nova's Photon 1, Competition, and Elite. They are all roughly about 2 lbs. They are free-standing. And they are definitely a ONE person tent with barely over 6 square feet interior. In terms of packing, the Terra Nova tents and others from Marmot and Big Agnes will generally be about the same length packed, but the Terra Nova tents may be somewhat more slender when packed. Last note, the Terra Nova's are more expensive than all the rest.
@djkenny Pretty close. They designed the UL2 from the SL2. There are a few differences though. The UL2 is about 12 ounces lighter, packed, than the SL2, and has a slightly higher solid wall. On the flip side, the SL2 has a Y end on pole on the foot end, so the back corners don't need staking out, but UL2 does need the rear corners staked out.
@txhillcountry65 sounds like the weight benefit is worth the stake out aspect. Big Agnes Parkview 3. Any idea how this one might compare? I have never heard of it until I googled a bit. I would like something super easy to put up, decent room for 2, a place to actually put my bike would be nice for touring. I may eventually bike to Loreto baja Mex from Portland OR. It will be warm and cold, depends on when. In the PNW, it will be the rain.. protective piece underneath for wet weather?
@djkenny The Parkview 3 is HUGE, and heavy (almost 7 lbs). But if you were biking it, it may not matter. And it's probably big enough at 90 inches long, by 80 inches wide and nearly 4 feet tall to put you and the bike inside.
@upupaepops that is pretty big. maybe to big. Even though I am biking, and some weight is okay...I would like to limit to 4 lbs or less tent wise, and easy to fit in a pannier or on a rack (not too bulky). I have a bad back. My concern is a pad (self inflating?) and a good packable pillow. Ideas?
@djkenny You should watch my video on sleeping pads. My favorite is the Neoair. My new favorite packable pillow is the Cocoon Ultralight Aircore Travel Pillow. Blows up to a nice size pillow with microfleece on one side, but packs down to the size of a baseball and 4oz weight.
@txhillcountry65 Does the pillow blow up like a balloon? I tried some at REI that were all air, I found them very uncomfortable. The foam ones like Thermarest style that shape over an hrs time and come in S, M, L sizes....those were quite comfy. I am thinking of a M or L one for when I bike tour. I will give up some space for comfort. paramount.
@djkenny Yes, it's still a "balloon" type pillow, which I have never been a fan of either, but this one is better than most. The partially foam-filled ones like from Thermarest, which I do have as well, do tend to be more comfortable, but are still relatively bulky. PS... I noted that you should check my vid on sleeping pads, but I was logged in on my other account. The video is on my upupaepops channel with the other backpacking vids. Regards!
@swapwap1 Thanks. Yeah, the Lunar Duo and the Lightheart Duo are nice, but again need to be staked out. But the new Tarptent Rainbow and especially the Tarptent Double Rainbow are really interesting, especially since they not only utilize trekking poles but can be free standing. Very interesting design, and light.
@edcjunkie Thanks for the feedback! I just got back from a short 3 night trip, and I'm still amazed at the amount of size you get for so little weight.
thanks very much. Im planning a some hiking in southern canada during summer and looking for an inexpensive tent to last me just a couple of months. any ideas?
@fomerla I'd suggest one of two options: Option 1 is to go online to campmor dot com, look at their backpacking tents and sort by price. There are a lot of good brands like Eureka, Kelty, Mountain Hardwear, Sierra, etc, for around $150 for a solo tent, sometimes less. Option 2 would be to buy a more expensive tent and then resell it later, or buy a good used tent off eBay, etc. I'd stay away from the really cheap tents at places like Academy, Walmart, etc.
Interesting video, but doesn't anyone make a full body tent? by that I mean solid material all around so you don't have to put a rainfly on it? I just bought a cheap ass 40 pop up tent, it weighs 4 pounds and sets up in seconds and it's all one peice, it has a screen door and window, not 80% netting like these.. I am looking for a better quality version of it but can't find one anywhere.
@johnmonk66 What you're referring to would be a "single wall" tent. The majority of 3 season tents today are "double wall" setups, with the tent body and a rain fly. This is primarily to reduce condensation, and ensure protection from rain. You generally won't find a single wall tent (in terms of quality tents) unless you look at 4 season / mountaineering tents. They're generally heavier and more expensive. I'd wager that the low-cost tent you mention would perform poorly in bad weather.
@upupaepops Oh I am pretty sure my 40 dollar tent won't do well in bad weather, lol, which is why I am interested in a better one. Of course I can always throw a tarp over my tent if it gets bad. But either 3 season or 4, I am looking for a tent that sets up in one piece, I will never be out in the hot weather so netting is useless to me. Basically I want a two man tent which is like a huge bag, just hang it to some poles and zip open the door and climb in. Thanks for the info.
@johnmonk66 Probably the best decent entry-level single wall tents are the Eureka Zeus series, for you the Zeus 2 Classic. I think that series may be being discontinued, so prices are low. A step of from there are MSR's various entry level 4 season mountaineering single wall tents, which range in price based sales. Do a google for "single wall tent" and that will put you in the ball park for what's out there. Thanks!
@DrComputerGuy Yes, but the one key item (with any tent) is to be sure it's dry. After I get back from a trip, I lay out the tent, rainfly, and ground tarp (if using one) to ensure that everything is dry before folding and rolling it all back up and storing it back in the stuff sack. Regards, and thanks for watching.
@upupaepops Thanks for the reply. I should have been clearer. What I'm concerned about is whether or not I'll put permanent creases in the material. Is it best to simply start stuffing, or fold and roll? Thanks
@DrComputerGuy I always fold and roll. You won't crease the material, and it make for a much easier package to deal with when unpacking in the future.
I purchased a BA Fly Creek @ from HumbleOutdoors for about $310 with a free footprint.
I'm amazed by the lightness of this tent. Have used tent for approx. 15 evenings so far. It has kept me dry and snug. Like most two man tents, space is a premium. When I have by myself, it has been a palace.
@bhamda99 LOL ! I was wondering how long it would take someone to notice that.! You're right of course. The dead giveaway is that the rainfly door should be of the same orientation as the door to the tent. It didn't occur to me until after I had shot the video, and was taking the tent down. But by then, I figured it was good enough to demonstrate what the fly and vestibule looked like. Thanks for watching!
@upupaepops Great video. I noticed the fly was upside down immediately because I own the Fly Creek UL1. Nice thing about the UL1 is that for one person, it is HUGE inside. Compare 42 inches wide to the UL2 52 inches for an idea. In a pinch, you could fit two people (tightly) in the UL1. I considered the Hubba and Marmot's Eos1 which I liked the side openings, but weight became my top priority.
@macar6913 Do you use a footprint with yours? It feels thinner than my MSRs and I'm a little concerned about long-term durability. Haven't had a problem yet, but wondering what others have noticed with theirs.
@upupaepops Because it is so light, I felt that a footprint would be worthwhile. Haven't taken it out yet (just got it for christmas), but I do have a friend who has the BA Seedhouse SL1 which has the same thin floor. He's done about 7-9 nights with it so far without a footprint and it still looks fairly new. So, I do believe that it is reasonably durable. But since this tent is still lighter than anything comparable, even with the footprint, I feel it's beneficial to have it.
Hi great, helpfull video mate, I do a lot of cycle touring, i am planning on cycling the north coast of Holland and Germany next summer, I need a good, ultralite, compact tent. I was going to purchase the MSR Hubba Hubba HP tent until i just watched your video and seen the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL 2 tent which before now i had never heard of, so i would really apreciate your advise on this.....MSR Hubba Hubba HP or Big Agnes Fly Creek UL 2 ???
@keepyourdreams2008 I lean towards the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL 2 for a couple of reasons. One, it's priced the same (in the States) as the 1 person MSR Hubba (about US$100 less than the 2 person Hubba Hubba), second, for a two person tent it's over a half pound lighter than the 1 person Hubba. Given those two items, the BA FC UL2 wins. The only consideration I would give the MSR tents is that they are totally free standing, while the BA need to be staked out on the two rear corners.
@upupaepops The Bib Agnes Fly Creek UL 2 it is then thanks for your help, i have seen a few on e bay, is that the one in the yellow pack (the smallest one) at the beginning of your video? and is it just as easy to erect as the Hubba Hubba tent?
@keepyourdreams2008 Yes, it's the small yellow pack at the beginning, amazing isn't it? I think I can erect it in almost the same amount of time as the MSR tents. Like the MSR Hubba series, there's only one branched pole to set up. Maybe add a minute more for the stakes. But all in all, very quick to erect.
i've the nemo meta 2 for the winter (in southern ca.) and the golite shangrila 3 for all other times. it's a awesome 1 collapsible take down center pole teppe type tarp tent. oh yes, and when with my daughter, we use the eureka zues 2. it's a great little all around tent, specialy for some one just getting started. @ about 3 pounds and a tight package, about $140 and single wall 3.5 season tent, with a huge vestibule for your boots and gear.
@PHARRAOH The "hiking pole" supported tents are nice, and probably the most efficient in terms of space to weight. Golite has always made a great product, and you can't beat the size of the new Nemo Meta 2. For me though, one critical criteria was free-standing, and the Nemos and Golites absolutely have to be staked out. I'd not looked at the Eureka Zeus, you're right , that is one huge vestibule! You could park a small car in there. :)
@MrRealgamer777 Thanks! Also wanted to say that if you do plan on pitching the tent on top of snow, consider a "free standing" tent, or at least one that doesn't depend too heavily on being staked out to support it, and only relies on stakes for securing it in the wind. Also, consider a "footprint" for the tent, which is just some type of tarp to lay down first to help protect/insulate the tent floor.
@MrRealgamer777 Without going to the expense of a true "4 season" tent, I would focus on a tent that has few mesh panels to help retain the heat, and also make sure the fly let's you really block the wind. All that being said, one of the best things you can get is a good sleeping pad that has enough insulation to protect you from the ground, and a good cold-weather sleeping bag.
Awesome! I love it that you actually feature MSR-tents, I have the Hubba Hubba and had gotten the impression that not alot of people used it. But i've had it for years now and it's taken much abuse in raging storms and what not and it's kept me dry always. It would be nice to slize the weight if i'm solo, great comparisons man, I need to check out the Hubba and The Big Agnes!
@Varghjarta Thanks! Yeah, I'm holding on to my Hubba Hubba, and it took a leap of faith to sell my solo Hubba. That thing was indestructible. It's a great value for the size, weight and cost.
Amazing Video, I have the Nemo Meta 2p and I love it. Its fairly big with 61 square feet, (36 interior, 25 vestibule) two door and has a 43 " interior height. You use trekking poles to set it up. And the best part is it is 3.4 lbs packed weight. They say it is a 2 person but it is more like a 3 person if you ask me. My friends are going to get the big agnes ul2.
@lighterisbetter Yeah, the Nemo Meta 2P is a nice tent. Although it's just a hair under a pound heavier than the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL2, it has about 8 square feet more interior area, but the big new on it are the two huge vestibules which are a little over 11 square feet EACH. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Would love to see your feedback on it after you've had it out.
thank you
sablebush 1 week ago
Do you need to have a footprint for these tents?
sablebush 1 week ago
@sablebush Most of the time I don't use a footprint, but most of the time I've been able to pitch my tents on grass, dirt, pine needles, etc. If I knew that the ground was going to be more severe, such as rocky, I'd use one. It also depends on the thickness of the tent floor. The heavier tents sometimes have a thicker floor, and the ultralights like the Big Agnes UL series have a somewhat thin floor, and if you use your tent a lot, a footprint will extend the tent floor life.
upupaepops 1 week ago
This helped out a ton!! Thanks man!!
Adam2Dakota 1 month ago
The Black Diamond has the Firstlight tent: 2-person, ~3lbs, 4-season, and $299. This is a great swap for the Big Agnes UL2.
TheExtremeOutdoors 2 months ago
@TheExtremeOutdoors I did consider the Firstlight, especially given it's single wall design for quick setup. However, it's gotten a lot of critical reviews on its ability to stay dry in wet weather. Some of that has to do with Black Diamond not properly sealing the seams, as well as the condensation issues in a single wall tent, but overall the single wall design is better for alpine enviros versus the wetter ones.
upupaepops 2 months ago
There are deffinitely some beautiful tents out there. Some great designs, too. There are alternitives though. You can get an inexspensive tent and seal it up with sprays, and they need it, replace the plastic poles with dowel or arrow shafts and you've got a storm proof tent for less than fifty dollars. Lightweight backpacking is quite affordable if one gets away from, 'buy the best gear out there' mentality. Satisfying too. There are excellent DIY projects that can save you hundreds of dollars.
rainbowhiker 2 months ago
@rainbowhiker Thanks for the feedback. You're right, there are so many options on tents, and with a little work one can build a tent from scratch, or modify an inexpensive tent, and I've definitely been down that road in years past. It'll save you a lot of money and can be fun.
upupaepops 2 months ago
Base on your review, I purchase a BA Fly Creek II from HumbleOutdoors for about $270, it came with a free BA footprint.
So far, I love this tent, despite it lightness it is still like new, after spending over thirty nights in it.
bedarda 4 months ago
@bedarda Great to hear that! I only have about 15-20 nights in mine, but it seems to be holding up fine. I didn't get the footprint with it, but I've been camping in areas with soft surfaces (pine forests, etc). I still think I'll get the BA footprint to extend the bottoms life. Thanks for the feedback!
upupaepops 4 months ago
Guess Terra Nova hasn't broke through in the US market yet ? Once they do you guys will go crazy for the tents. Like 700g for a 2 man tent, its insanley ridiculous ! Only gripe I have with buying a Big Agnes is that its inner pitch first which over here in Scotland can generally mean a wet inner when pitching most days lol !
pikeflyfisherman 5 months ago
@pikeflyfisherman I haven't seen Terra Nova in the stores here in the US yet, but we do have access to them through online retailers. They are on the expensive side, starting at $300 US and going up from there. But they are very nice, and you are right about the outer pitch first being handy in wet weather. (For those wondering: Outer pitch means you can get the rain shell up first, allowing you a relatively dry area to work under to set up the actual tent.) Thanks for the info!
upupaepops 5 months ago
If you are looking for a tent go check out Mt. Hardware, nothing like them! I have the Drifter 2, which is a 2 person tent, yes a little heavy at 5 lbs but I promise you will not get wet and stay secure in it. On my first night out a serious super strong thunderstorm came in which flash flood warnings were issued, along with hail, lighting, and rain the drifter 2 stood strong. I woke up dry as could be even though my tent was in a 3" deep puddle of water. Drifter 2, or you can get the single.
lawson863 6 months ago
@lawson863 Absolutely. Like Eureka, Sierra Designs, MSR, and a few others, Mountain Hardware tents always get good reviews. But, like you mentioned, the downside is that they tend to be very heavy for backpackers looking to carry a tent for solo use. But I wouldn't hesitate recommending Mountain Hardware for bomber tents. Nice gear.
upupaepops 6 months ago
i heard the the floor in the msr hubba tents is to thin and leaks after a while is that true
FUNisUnderRated 6 months ago
@FUNisUnderRated I never had a leak or even a moist spot in my MSR tents (Hubba or Hubba Hubba). As for what is "too thin", I guess it's all relative in comparison to other tents. The floor / tub area of the MSR tents seem to be very durable as compared to some of the much more "very ultralight" tents like the Big Agnes light series. But if you compare the MSR tents to a Coleman "family" style tent, even the MSR tent floors seem thin.
upupaepops 6 months ago
@upupaepops thanks a bunch
FUNisUnderRated 6 months ago
@FUNisUnderRated No problem! Another item to note is that I always spray at least my tents floor/bathtub area (and the rainfly as well) with a good waterproofing product such as Nikwax spray, just to add to the manufacturer's water repellent. I re-do them about once per year. Also, while I don't always use a footprint / ground tarp, I will carry one if I know I'm going to be on ground that may be abusive to the bottom of the tent.
upupaepops 6 months ago
eureka backcountry .... 2 person. Best tent i've had by far.
zukowitz1 6 months ago
@zukowitz1 Eureka makes some nice tents. They're pretty rugged (as compared to some of the ultralight tents), and they tend to be warmer for the colder expeditions. However, one serious downside is that it is heavy with a capital H, coming in close to 6 POUNDs for the packed weight. But if two people were to share it, you could split the packed weight between you. But in the quest for lighter packs, Eureka discontinued it.
upupaepops 6 months ago
@upupaepops your definitely right.... my eureka backcountry is a bit on heavy side if Im trying to cut pack weight down but i had consiidered the eureka 1 person backcounty, as well as the tarps and now the big agnes which you just educated me on. . . intersting and very helpful. i do want to go lighter since im overweight and getting back into backpacking and don't need the xtra weight...... lol.
zukowitz1 6 months ago
I must say that your back yard is much nicer than mine !!! And I am on the same page as you as I also have many tents = car camping tents and backpacking tents, hammocks & tarps & screen houses. I just wish I had a large back yard to set them up and enjoy as you do. That is fun !!!!
skipinout 7 months ago
@skipinout Thanks for watching! About half that space is now eaten up by a pool. My next review may have to be on survival liferafts! :)
upupaepops 7 months ago 2
Too short for someone over 6'2" like me. I just don't get why they can't make an extended version for taller people. I mean, would it kill these assholes to add 10 inches to the narrow end? I am finding it nigh unto impossible to find a backpacking tent for my 6'5" frame.
gaozhi2007 8 months ago
@gaozhi2007 You're right. They pretty much build these 1 - 2 person tents for the "average" height person. For people over 6' tall, I've seen some go to a 3 person tent, even though it may mean an extra pound or so, as the 3 person tents tend to be longer. However, there are a few 2 person longer tents. Check out the REI Halfdome 2 Plus, which is about 10 inches longer than the regular Half Dome, and the Sierra Designs Vapor Light 2 XL, longer than the standard Vapor Light 2 for starters.
upupaepops 8 months ago
@upupaepops ah, thanks for the suggestion of the capor light. I already tried out the half dome 3 plus and it is long enough, but heavy. I will probably go with the quarter dome t2 plus because it weighs a pound less, just costs $100 more. I will check out that vapor light 2. I really wish all these guys would just add 5-10 inches for a plus option like rei does. They are missing a potential market.
gaozhi2007 8 months ago
@gaozhi2007 Sierra Designs makes a good product, probably worth the extra $100, especially in the Vapor Trail 2 XL version which is 93" long, 10 inches longer than the standard Vapor Trail 2 at 83". Let me know what you find out !
upupaepops 8 months ago
@uluuluululu It's gone through a pretty drenching rain for about 20 minutes, and slow steady precipitation for a better part of the day, and it's been bone dry. I questioned it myself before getting it, but all the other reviewers were giving it top marks on "water proofness". I think the 1200mm "waterproofing" may confuse some, because the fly is a silicone treated ripstop nylon PLUS a 1200mm waterproof polyurethane coating.
upupaepops 8 months ago
I do like a lot of vegetable space.
freedeanna 9 months ago 6
@freedeanna LOL ! Say "vestibule" enough times and it eventually comes out "vegetable" !
upupaepops 9 months ago
the rain fly is backwards
nismogtp 9 months ago
@nismogtp LOL, yep, Your the second one to notice that. The dead giveaway is that the rainfly door should be of the same orientation as the door to the tent. It didn't occur to me until after I had shot the video, and was taking the tent down. But by then, I figured it was good enough to demonstrate what the fly and vestibule looked like. Thanks for watching!
upupaepops 9 months ago
This is just an outstanding review of various tents. Thank you so much.
enjoythewildUSA 9 months ago
@enjoythewildUSA Thanks for the feedback! Glad you enjoyed it.
upupaepops 9 months ago
great comparison video. thanks!
SKOOBDO 9 months ago
well, how large is your body (in liters)?
ericambrosecoon 9 months ago
@ericambrosecoon Not sure how to answer that..... liters is a volumetric measurement, while we usually measure our bodies in weight and / or height. I'm 5'9" tall and 170 pounds, if that helps.
txhillcountry65 9 months ago
I ordered eos 1p =) Appreciate your help, friends !
octo1986 10 months ago
nice review, amigo !
i need to choose between marmot eos1p and fly creek ul1 ! what do u think ?
octo1986 10 months ago
@octo1986 You can't go wrong either way. The are exactly the same interior size at 22 sqft. The Marmot has a 6.5 sqft vestibule, the BA is 5.5. The vestibule is more functional on the Marmot since it is on the side. The Marmot is also free standing, while the BA will need the rear corners staked out. The BA is 1 pound lighter at 2 lbs to the Marmot's 3 lbs. But the BA is about $300 and the Marmot about $220. Unless weight is the ultimate goal, I'd lean toward the Marmot.
txhillcountry65 10 months ago
@txhillcountry65 thanks, man ! your comment very helpful !
now another one challenger in line - "Terra nova solar competition/photon (what the driffernce between this two models?)".i need free standing tent and packed size are most important parameter, cause i will use it in special bike frame bag. your thoughts ?
octo1986 10 months ago
@octo1986 Not very much difference between Terra Nova's Photon 1, Competition, and Elite. They are all roughly about 2 lbs. They are free-standing. And they are definitely a ONE person tent with barely over 6 square feet interior. In terms of packing, the Terra Nova tents and others from Marmot and Big Agnes will generally be about the same length packed, but the Terra Nova tents may be somewhat more slender when packed. Last note, the Terra Nova's are more expensive than all the rest.
upupaepops 10 months ago
any idea how the Seedhouse compares with the Agnes 2? I wonder if they are pretty much the same.
djkenny 10 months ago
@djkenny Pretty close. They designed the UL2 from the SL2. There are a few differences though. The UL2 is about 12 ounces lighter, packed, than the SL2, and has a slightly higher solid wall. On the flip side, the SL2 has a Y end on pole on the foot end, so the back corners don't need staking out, but UL2 does need the rear corners staked out.
txhillcountry65 10 months ago
@txhillcountry65 sounds like the weight benefit is worth the stake out aspect. Big Agnes Parkview 3. Any idea how this one might compare? I have never heard of it until I googled a bit. I would like something super easy to put up, decent room for 2, a place to actually put my bike would be nice for touring. I may eventually bike to Loreto baja Mex from Portland OR. It will be warm and cold, depends on when. In the PNW, it will be the rain.. protective piece underneath for wet weather?
djkenny 10 months ago
@djkenny The Parkview 3 is HUGE, and heavy (almost 7 lbs). But if you were biking it, it may not matter. And it's probably big enough at 90 inches long, by 80 inches wide and nearly 4 feet tall to put you and the bike inside.
upupaepops 10 months ago
@upupaepops that is pretty big. maybe to big. Even though I am biking, and some weight is okay...I would like to limit to 4 lbs or less tent wise, and easy to fit in a pannier or on a rack (not too bulky). I have a bad back. My concern is a pad (self inflating?) and a good packable pillow. Ideas?
djkenny 10 months ago
@djkenny You should watch my video on sleeping pads. My favorite is the Neoair. My new favorite packable pillow is the Cocoon Ultralight Aircore Travel Pillow. Blows up to a nice size pillow with microfleece on one side, but packs down to the size of a baseball and 4oz weight.
txhillcountry65 10 months ago
@txhillcountry65 Does the pillow blow up like a balloon? I tried some at REI that were all air, I found them very uncomfortable. The foam ones like Thermarest style that shape over an hrs time and come in S, M, L sizes....those were quite comfy. I am thinking of a M or L one for when I bike tour. I will give up some space for comfort. paramount.
djkenny 10 months ago
@djkenny Yes, it's still a "balloon" type pillow, which I have never been a fan of either, but this one is better than most. The partially foam-filled ones like from Thermarest, which I do have as well, do tend to be more comfortable, but are still relatively bulky. PS... I noted that you should check my vid on sleeping pads, but I was logged in on my other account. The video is on my upupaepops channel with the other backpacking vids. Regards!
upupaepops 10 months ago
good research. would also like to the the DUO that Lunar, Tarptent raindow and Lightheart makes. all under 3lbs pack weight
swapwap1 11 months ago
@swapwap1 Thanks. Yeah, the Lunar Duo and the Lightheart Duo are nice, but again need to be staked out. But the new Tarptent Rainbow and especially the Tarptent Double Rainbow are really interesting, especially since they not only utilize trekking poles but can be free standing. Very interesting design, and light.
upupaepops 11 months ago
Thanks for your video! It made me end my search for an ultralight tent. I just purchased the BA Fly Creek UL 2.
edcjunkie 11 months ago
@edcjunkie Thanks for the feedback! I just got back from a short 3 night trip, and I'm still amazed at the amount of size you get for so little weight.
upupaepops 11 months ago
thanks very much. Im planning a some hiking in southern canada during summer and looking for an inexpensive tent to last me just a couple of months. any ideas?
fomerla 11 months ago
@fomerla I'd suggest one of two options: Option 1 is to go online to campmor dot com, look at their backpacking tents and sort by price. There are a lot of good brands like Eureka, Kelty, Mountain Hardwear, Sierra, etc, for around $150 for a solo tent, sometimes less. Option 2 would be to buy a more expensive tent and then resell it later, or buy a good used tent off eBay, etc. I'd stay away from the really cheap tents at places like Academy, Walmart, etc.
upupaepops 11 months ago
Thanks, after a month of research. I purchased a BA Fly Creek II from HumbleOutdoors for about $315, it came with a free footprint.
I still cannot believe a two man tent can be so light, pack so small.
bedarda 1 year ago
Interesting video, but doesn't anyone make a full body tent? by that I mean solid material all around so you don't have to put a rainfly on it? I just bought a cheap ass 40 pop up tent, it weighs 4 pounds and sets up in seconds and it's all one peice, it has a screen door and window, not 80% netting like these.. I am looking for a better quality version of it but can't find one anywhere.
johnmonk66 1 year ago
@johnmonk66 What you're referring to would be a "single wall" tent. The majority of 3 season tents today are "double wall" setups, with the tent body and a rain fly. This is primarily to reduce condensation, and ensure protection from rain. You generally won't find a single wall tent (in terms of quality tents) unless you look at 4 season / mountaineering tents. They're generally heavier and more expensive. I'd wager that the low-cost tent you mention would perform poorly in bad weather.
upupaepops 1 year ago
@upupaepops Oh I am pretty sure my 40 dollar tent won't do well in bad weather, lol, which is why I am interested in a better one. Of course I can always throw a tarp over my tent if it gets bad. But either 3 season or 4, I am looking for a tent that sets up in one piece, I will never be out in the hot weather so netting is useless to me. Basically I want a two man tent which is like a huge bag, just hang it to some poles and zip open the door and climb in. Thanks for the info.
johnmonk66 1 year ago
@johnmonk66 Probably the best decent entry-level single wall tents are the Eureka Zeus series, for you the Zeus 2 Classic. I think that series may be being discontinued, so prices are low. A step of from there are MSR's various entry level 4 season mountaineering single wall tents, which range in price based sales. Do a google for "single wall tent" and that will put you in the ball park for what's out there. Thanks!
upupaepops 1 year ago
@upupaepops How do you store this tent? Is it OK to stuff it back into the stuff sack?
DrComputerGuy 1 year ago
@DrComputerGuy Yes, but the one key item (with any tent) is to be sure it's dry. After I get back from a trip, I lay out the tent, rainfly, and ground tarp (if using one) to ensure that everything is dry before folding and rolling it all back up and storing it back in the stuff sack. Regards, and thanks for watching.
upupaepops 1 year ago
@upupaepops Thanks for the reply. I should have been clearer. What I'm concerned about is whether or not I'll put permanent creases in the material. Is it best to simply start stuffing, or fold and roll? Thanks
DrComputerGuy 1 year ago
@DrComputerGuy I always fold and roll. You won't crease the material, and it make for a much easier package to deal with when unpacking in the future.
upupaepops 1 year ago
@upupaepops Thanks so much! I liked your video so much, I went out and got a Fly Creek UL2 today. It's pretty cool so far.
DrComputerGuy 1 year ago
Thanks for taking the time to put this together!
chriskc04 1 year ago
@chriskc04 Thank YOU for watching!
upupaepops 1 year ago
Gig 'em!!!
huntermartaindale 1 year ago
I purchased a BA Fly Creek @ from HumbleOutdoors for about $310 with a free footprint.
I'm amazed by the lightness of this tent. Have used tent for approx. 15 evenings so far. It has kept me dry and snug. Like most two man tents, space is a premium. When I have by myself, it has been a palace.
bedarda 1 year ago
@bedarda Thanks for the feedback! Great to get real-use reports.
upupaepops 1 year ago
I case you didn't notice, the tent in the video has the rain fly upside down.......
bhamda99 1 year ago
@bhamda99 LOL ! I was wondering how long it would take someone to notice that.! You're right of course. The dead giveaway is that the rainfly door should be of the same orientation as the door to the tent. It didn't occur to me until after I had shot the video, and was taking the tent down. But by then, I figured it was good enough to demonstrate what the fly and vestibule looked like. Thanks for watching!
upupaepops 1 year ago
@upupaepops Great video. I noticed the fly was upside down immediately because I own the Fly Creek UL1. Nice thing about the UL1 is that for one person, it is HUGE inside. Compare 42 inches wide to the UL2 52 inches for an idea. In a pinch, you could fit two people (tightly) in the UL1. I considered the Hubba and Marmot's Eos1 which I liked the side openings, but weight became my top priority.
macar6913 1 year ago
@macar6913 Do you use a footprint with yours? It feels thinner than my MSRs and I'm a little concerned about long-term durability. Haven't had a problem yet, but wondering what others have noticed with theirs.
upupaepops 1 year ago
@upupaepops Because it is so light, I felt that a footprint would be worthwhile. Haven't taken it out yet (just got it for christmas), but I do have a friend who has the BA Seedhouse SL1 which has the same thin floor. He's done about 7-9 nights with it so far without a footprint and it still looks fairly new. So, I do believe that it is reasonably durable. But since this tent is still lighter than anything comparable, even with the footprint, I feel it's beneficial to have it.
macar6913 1 year ago
I case you didn't notice, the rain fly is upside down.......
bhamda99 1 year ago
Good look at some great backpacking tents. Some I have been looking at myself. Thanks
Woodenarrows 1 year ago
can you please put in the description with pack in the begging belongs to what tent? i know the real thin + small one is the UL2...thx
MRCnyc1 1 year ago
@MRCnyc1 Done. I just listed the MSR tents and the Big Agnes tent. The others are all regular "camping" tents. Thanks!
upupaepops 1 year ago
@upupaepops thx
MRCnyc1 1 year ago
Hi great, helpfull video mate, I do a lot of cycle touring, i am planning on cycling the north coast of Holland and Germany next summer, I need a good, ultralite, compact tent. I was going to purchase the MSR Hubba Hubba HP tent until i just watched your video and seen the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL 2 tent which before now i had never heard of, so i would really apreciate your advise on this.....MSR Hubba Hubba HP or Big Agnes Fly Creek UL 2 ???
Cheers.
keepyourdreams2008 1 year ago
@keepyourdreams2008 I lean towards the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL 2 for a couple of reasons. One, it's priced the same (in the States) as the 1 person MSR Hubba (about US$100 less than the 2 person Hubba Hubba), second, for a two person tent it's over a half pound lighter than the 1 person Hubba. Given those two items, the BA FC UL2 wins. The only consideration I would give the MSR tents is that they are totally free standing, while the BA need to be staked out on the two rear corners.
upupaepops 1 year ago
@upupaepops The Bib Agnes Fly Creek UL 2 it is then thanks for your help, i have seen a few on e bay, is that the one in the yellow pack (the smallest one) at the beginning of your video? and is it just as easy to erect as the Hubba Hubba tent?
Cheers mate.
keepyourdreams2008 1 year ago
@keepyourdreams2008 Yes, it's the small yellow pack at the beginning, amazing isn't it? I think I can erect it in almost the same amount of time as the MSR tents. Like the MSR Hubba series, there's only one branched pole to set up. Maybe add a minute more for the stakes. But all in all, very quick to erect.
upupaepops 1 year ago
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keepyourdreams2008 1 year ago
very good vid...thanks
mrsparex 1 year ago
i've the nemo meta 2 for the winter (in southern ca.) and the golite shangrila 3 for all other times. it's a awesome 1 collapsible take down center pole teppe type tarp tent. oh yes, and when with my daughter, we use the eureka zues 2. it's a great little all around tent, specialy for some one just getting started. @ about 3 pounds and a tight package, about $140 and single wall 3.5 season tent, with a huge vestibule for your boots and gear.
PHARRAOH 1 year ago
@PHARRAOH The "hiking pole" supported tents are nice, and probably the most efficient in terms of space to weight. Golite has always made a great product, and you can't beat the size of the new Nemo Meta 2. For me though, one critical criteria was free-standing, and the Nemos and Golites absolutely have to be staked out. I'd not looked at the Eureka Zeus, you're right , that is one huge vestibule! You could park a small car in there. :)
upupaepops 1 year ago
thanks for the help watched all ur videos first tim backpacking so we will see
MrRealgamer777 1 year ago
@MrRealgamer777 Thanks! Also wanted to say that if you do plan on pitching the tent on top of snow, consider a "free standing" tent, or at least one that doesn't depend too heavily on being staked out to support it, and only relies on stakes for securing it in the wind. Also, consider a "footprint" for the tent, which is just some type of tarp to lay down first to help protect/insulate the tent floor.
upupaepops 1 year ago
what kind of tent would you recomend for a person thats 18 and that will be on low elevation for 3 or 4 days in december colorado
MrRealgamer777 1 year ago
@MrRealgamer777 Without going to the expense of a true "4 season" tent, I would focus on a tent that has few mesh panels to help retain the heat, and also make sure the fly let's you really block the wind. All that being said, one of the best things you can get is a good sleeping pad that has enough insulation to protect you from the ground, and a good cold-weather sleeping bag.
upupaepops 1 year ago
Awesome! I love it that you actually feature MSR-tents, I have the Hubba Hubba and had gotten the impression that not alot of people used it. But i've had it for years now and it's taken much abuse in raging storms and what not and it's kept me dry always. It would be nice to slize the weight if i'm solo, great comparisons man, I need to check out the Hubba and The Big Agnes!
Varghjarta 1 year ago
@Varghjarta Thanks! Yeah, I'm holding on to my Hubba Hubba, and it took a leap of faith to sell my solo Hubba. That thing was indestructible. It's a great value for the size, weight and cost.
upupaepops 1 year ago
Good video. Thanks. I am trying to find a good overall tent for me or perhaps 2 people.
biblesnbarbells 1 year ago
Amazing Video, I have the Nemo Meta 2p and I love it. Its fairly big with 61 square feet, (36 interior, 25 vestibule) two door and has a 43 " interior height. You use trekking poles to set it up. And the best part is it is 3.4 lbs packed weight. They say it is a 2 person but it is more like a 3 person if you ask me. My friends are going to get the big agnes ul2.
lighterisbetter 1 year ago
@lighterisbetter Yeah, the Nemo Meta 2P is a nice tent. Although it's just a hair under a pound heavier than the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL2, it has about 8 square feet more interior area, but the big new on it are the two huge vestibules which are a little over 11 square feet EACH. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Would love to see your feedback on it after you've had it out.
upupaepops 1 year ago
well done, thanks
mateuszstepien 1 year ago