it's pathetic how constantinople was lost by these turks, did you know there was a beautiful church built during the macedonian dynasty, and want to guess how it dissapeared? these idiots decided to use the church as storage for gunpowder, and guess what, one night it exploded. Why??? What did the romans do to the muslims to be so destructive?? Seriously, and the shame behind the marble excuse from the hippodrome is that those mosques look like pathetic copies of the hagia sophia!
Crusaders pillage and runsacked the city as written in books and scrolls also mentioned in umberto eco's book when turks entered the city it was already in ruins its artifacts were destroyed or stolen, turks restore and repaired the city study history before commenting on something!
@4rchdru1d repaired? more like built new stuff out of the old that was meant to be preserved, you don;t see people taking the pyramids apart now do you?
I see the pictures of 19th century of Athens full of mosques and Muslim graveyards. You are not lower than us when it comes to destroying eveything. At least We still keep that Byzatine(which is not fact the truth, the truth is Eastern Roman) remnants and heritage, is there any standing still Ottoman imaret yet in Greece?Do not tell me who destroyed history...
@dontwantanickname it isnt eastern roman it was coz emperor constantine was half greek and roman and after him it was his son halfblood too but after him was constantine's son's ungle from the side of the mother of constantine who was greek so it was a greek empire after that
@iordanisdanis There were more than 60 emperors of Rhomania (Byzantine empire). They were of various origins; you think that with every change on the throne the identity of the empire changed too?
The origin of the emperor is not so important. All the emperors were Romans citizens with greek culture, language and education and Christians. That was enough.
Besides, since Constitutio Antoniniana every free man born in the empire was Roman citizen. The national origins over time became secondary.
@iordanisdanis it's liked saying the united states split in two, the west (california, arizona, new mexico, etc.) survived but was populated by hispanic people, so would we call that the united states of mexico? NO! The empire never fell until 1461 officially (trebizond)
@all of you out there!! religion.. religion.. religion.Religion is bringing this world to the end, my religion is better than yours, my god is more handsome than yours, and so on and so forth and you have those idiots killing each other, just to find out whose god and religion is better!!!
@idricool The Crusades were a logical response to muslim aggression. Their final cause was slaughter of christian pilgrims by the muslims. The Arabs massacred enormous numbers of Copts, not to mention their other victims, and the muslims destroyed or stole large numbers of churches.
@123DROCK The Greeks called themselves (and still do,although rarely) Rhomaioi.They were the true heirs of the Roman Empire.The Catholic Western Europeans were jealous of them throughout the Medieval Era and called them Greeks because they couldnt stand the truth.
@123DROCK they fleed because they probably didnt believe the pope only had contact with god. where as orthodoxy everyone can directly talk to god. mind you it was the help of the crusaders that helped byzantine fall. they conspired with certain age of enlightment to bring it down. call it greed. mind you some humans are total idiots and some are just great. everything always balances for the right time and the right place. i guess its all part of human evolution.
By the time Turks took the city, hippodrome, along with many other monuments, has long been a site of ruins: "Constantinople never really recovered from its sack during the Fourth Crusade and even though the Byzantine Empire survived until 1453, by that time, the Hippodrome had fallen into ruin." (wikipedia)
Turks caused much cultural ruin but, structurally and superficially, Constantinople has been a façade for centuries before the Turkish conquest. Take a look at its population timeline.
turks destroyed everything yes, the american natives, the roman empire, european jews, carthaga, thousands of scientists and philosophers were accused to be heretics and burnt alive, all these things were done by the turks. :) all of your heads are buckets full of stereotype shits. Let me tell you something. To build St. Sophia justinianus ordered the artemis temple to be torn down and used its magnificient columns in St. Sophia. They torn down this wonderful temple to build a stupid church.
1:47 Can you see the horses? Where are they? They are in Rome now!!! And many other parts of different statues were robbed by the Crusaders. The Crusaders who invaded Constantinople, many years before the Turks came to the city.
It was destroyed by the Crusaders, Byzantine didn't have enough economy to restore it, and the Ottoman Turks weren't interested in the restoration of the hippodrome.
Istanbul, hippodrome, hagia sofia is all ours. We do what we wanna dol with'em. Come and take it if you dare.
By the way; both hippodrome, hagia sofia and all the beauties of Istanbul has been f.ked by crusaders. It is officially the biggest loot of the history, so you catholics better of shut up. Orthodoxes come and take your Konstantinopolis if you have the balls to do that or shut up!
@RumbleMilitia the hippodrome doesnt exist anymore so you dont own that. If greece went to war with trukey im sure russia bulgaria and other orthodx countries would join so turkey would get fukd
@cenkcez you take karabag? ahahahahahahahah. so you like genocide ha? besides azeribajan is not turkish so why you worry. i will wish turks come to fight in karabagh so when i get prisoner i can have some fun with them. why wait until 2015? why not now we are ready.. this time we will even take nakichevan from there to ani. mother fukcers. death to islam. fuck your muhammed, i wish i can fuck your mohammed in the ass, fuck your holly things. i wanna masturbate on koran
Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire. BUT, it had a Greek Identity. Armenian, Slavic and Arab families that lived in the Empire changed their names or adopted Greek names to adapt to the PREVAILING culture of the Byzantine Empire which was a Hellenic Culture. Like the Armenian Emperor Heraclius. Heraclius is not an Armenian Name.
The marble was needed to build the mosques. What a stupid thing to do. A magnificent hippodrome torn down, what a shame. If these were the Turks with their original nomadic culture they would have respect for nature and beauty but did not have any left after forcefully converted to Islam.
What a stupid of you dump, it is not Islam and Turks but it was the cruisade 4th which torn down and ruined the city. It was already a ruined city once Turks came and Turks enriched the city with their own culture. You should read more about the city.
stupid turks they destroyed the hippodrome the last ceremony that was held in the hippodrome was during the late 16th to 17th centuries and the ceremony was to witness the circumcision of the sultan's kid!!!! WTF?!!!!
@iDenmark yes ıt can be expensive but this is now istanbuls culture,,,ı like hıstorıc buildings ın my opinıon these buildings must be saved...ım turk but ı like byzantıne structures .specially in istanbul there was alot of beautıful structures in istanbul...but unfortunately they were ruined now...if our government want to develop tourism,,,these buildings must be rebuilt for humanity culture
@cenkcez No it isn't Turkey's culture, it is Greece culture because it was made by Greeks. I don't think anyone, wants to see a copy in the format 1:1 of old wonders of the world. It would make Turkey look pretty strange if they rebuilt Greek wonders. People would think that Turkey has gone mad because of that.
As far as I know, Turkey doesn't lack tourism. A lot of Europeans are going to Turkey for a nice swimming holiday and see the old Greek monuments.
@cenkcez Do you think anybody would finance such a project? It's way to expensive and it would take years to rebuild it in the way the Greeks did with stone for stone...
Are you actually a Turk who admirer Greek culture? :)
@cenkcez you know, they're rebuilding the colossus of Rhodes. Time will tell if God destroys it in his anger or if its original destruction was really a fluke, eh?
Kala re filaraki den exeis zwh?Opou blepeis videaki gia byzantio kaneis to idio comment.Hmarton.....Oloi istorikoi ginate eidate dyo mlkies sto internet kai ginate eidikoi.
Ποια αληθεια βρε ροζουλη?Στα αρχιδια μου τι ηταν οι Βυζαντινοι (αν κ ξερεις πολυ καλα τι ηταν κ τι εγιναν)Απλα να ξερεις οτι δεν ειναι ολοι εδω παιδακια ή φασιστακια για να τους πουλας μουρη κ να ξεφευγεις απο τα προσωπικα σου απωθημενα.
Ελπιζω να καταλαβαινεις τελικα οτι η μισαλλοδοξια ο φανατισμος και η πορωση δεν ειναι προνομιο μονο των φασιστων αλλα και των αριστεριστων ψευτοκουλτουριαρηδων.Απλα παραποιειτε ολοι την ιστορια για δικο σας οφελος
Και για να το ληξουμε γιατι βαρεθηκα να προσπαθω να βγαλω ακρη με ολους τους βαρεμενους, πιστευε και λεγε οτι θελεις εξαλλου η ασχετοσυνη και η ανθρωπινη βλακεια εκτος απο απειρη ειναι και αφορολογητη (no repply from me again γραψε οτι σου καβλωσει)
Γουσταρω να σας κουρδιζω lol.Ρε βλακα χαλαρωσε λιγο που με εβγαλες κ φασιστα εσυ στο τελος θα με βγαλεις κ γαβρο.Σου ειπα κ πριν στα αρχιδια μου τι ηταν οι Βυζαντινοι, αυτο που θελω να πω ειναι οτι δεν πρεπιει να εισαι τοσο απολυτα κολλημενος σε κατι που σου προβαλλαν καποιοι
2αυτο που θελω να πω ειναι οτι πρεπει να μην ειμαστε απολυτοι.Προφανως ουτε στη χρυση αυγη ουτε στον αναρχικο χωρο ουτε και στην ΚΝΕ μαθαινουν στον κοσμο τετοιες εννοιες.Δεν μπορω να καταλαβω που ανηκεις αλλα καταλαβε οτι τα πραγματα δεν ειναι μονο ασπρα ή μαυρα
the byzantine empire was Greek. That does not mean it was Ethnically Greek. it means that the cultrual identity is Greek. Thats why the offical langauge was Greek, thats why mass hellenization of armenians and slavs took place. you are denying facts. Go to istanbul, and look at all of the columns with Greek writing all over them. You are not Greek and a traitor to the Fatherland.
there was not a de-hellenization process during the byzantine empire. the slavs did not arrive in the balkans until the 6th century which is well after the hellenistic kingdoms. your theory does not hold up. we know as a matter of historical fact from the chronical of Monemvasia that the Slavs of Peloponnese were hellenized and made orthodox. in the 9th century....one of the turkish words for Greeks is "Rum" which means Roman. . I know that because I lived in turkey for 5 years.
the slavs that settled in Peleponisos WERE hellenized you fucking idiot. back in those times to be "Greek" was to be a pagan and therefor an insult. but that does not mean they did not know who they were. the fact is, GREEK was the offical language of the empire and GREEK was the language spoken the vast majority of the empires subjects in Greece and anatolia. and you did not answer my fucking question....WHY DO TURKS CALL GREEK "RUM"??
the decision to call FYROM macedonia is a political one. Turks have been calling Greeks Rum for a thousand years. you are a fucking idiot. and do not say "us". you are not the same as me. you are a dirty albanian. YOU ARE NOT GREEK.
you are not greek. the byzantine did NOT invent a new word. Greeks started calling themselves Roman after they assimilated in the Roman empire. during the rise of Christianity in 1st and 2nd century the name "greek" got a bad connotation because it meant pagan....you are not a greek. you are a dirty fucking jew albanian.
I dont live in America psologlifti, I already told you that being called greek was the same as being called pagan in those times. you are a fucking morong. stop pretending to be a Greek. everybody knows who you are, albanian pretender. and NO you did not answer my question. it is OBVIOUS to anybody with a brain that both turks and arabs call Greeks "Rum" because they know that Greek was the identity of the eastern roman empire. stop ignoring facts.
because Christianity was synonymous with being Roman and Pagan was synonymous with being Greek. When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire in the 4th century, The newly converted Greeks distinguished themselves from their pagan brethren by abandoning the name Greek for Roman.
you are a filthy skiloalvane anti-Greek piece of shit......pagan was synonymous with being Greek because the Greeks who converted when Christianity became the official religion of the empire in 380 A.D. they did not want to be seen as the same people as the pagan Greeks. because, like i said, to be Christian, meant you were Roman.
you are too stupid to understand obviously. ill explain in child like sentences so you can understand. The Byzantine Empires culture was Greek and they spoke Greek. But, since they were the eastern Roman empire, and to be Christian meant to be Roman and vice versa, The Christian population of Greece referred to themselves as Romans because they were Christians. the term "ellinas" was a word that brought up thoughts of paganism and their pagan past. (continued)
Therefor, the abandoned the name "elliinas" for Roman because they converted to Christianity and were part of the Roman empire. after 380 A.D. they could not be considered Roman if they were pagans. understand you fitlhy turkoalvano muslim piece of shit??
it did not mean coward, it meant pagan. your comparison with africans is not an accurate one. look at a map of historical Greek speaking population, and look at a map of the byzantine empire. you will see that the majority of the empire falls into historical Greek speaking territories. i.e. greece, anatolia, cyprus.
nobody used the word Greek in the empire. the word was always hellenas. and the fact that they spoke greek means EVERYTHING because they self-identified as Greeks.
the church traitors?? it was Bishop Germanos who was the FIRST person to raise the flag of revolution you fucking idiot!!! ever heard of papa flessas??
its funny that you call the Church a traitor and you are the one denying Greek history. YOU ARE THE TRAITOR. well not really, because you are not even greek in the first place. you are an albanian pretending to be greek. you need to learn some history how it was the CHURCH and only the church that educated the Greek people after hundreds of years of illiteracy.
read the Chronicle of monemvasia, which is a historical byzantine document from the 9th century telling how the empire hellenized the slavs fromthe peloponisos. Bishop Germanos was a hero and so was Pappa Flessas.
only the ecumenical patriarch was against the revolution because he was scared for his life. But all of the churches of the Morea and Macedonia privatley funded the revolution.
Armenian and slav families changed their names to sound more Greek so that can fit in with the rest of the Empire. how do you explain the name Emperor Heraclius and Emperor John tsimisces, both of which are ethnically armenian emperors that came from Hellenized armenian families living in the empire. How do you explain all of the slavs living in the Peloponnese being hellenized by the church?
no it means hellenization. they wanted to become citizens of the empire and to fit in you had to speak greek and change your name. hence, the hellenizing of the slavs and armenians.
u are denying historical facts. if you wanted to fit in the empire with the rest of the people you spoke Greek and changed your name. hence the hellenization of the slavs. why do you think there are 600 slavic place names in Greece with no slavs??? because they were turned into Greeks in the 9th century you fucking know-nothing jerk off.
it was not the people that kept the term Hellas. it was the CHURCH. it was the Church and ONLY the Church that kept alive ancient greek history under the ottoman empire. it wasnt until during the revolution that the Greeks started to reclaim their identity and history.
look psologlifti, im tired of going back and forth with you. YOU are the ONLY person i have ever met that says the byzantine empire did not have a greek identity. u are giving me a headache. im done talking to u. stop parading as a greek when u are not.
and actually, the word Byzantine is Greek. and we know as a FACT that Constantinople started out as a small Greek fishing village called Byzantium. look at the historic Greek populations of Anatolia (modern day turkey) Trabzond, Smyrna, bursa, Iznik, Bodrum, Iskander, Cappadocia, Karaman. ALl greek historic greek speaking areas for thousands of years when Greek settlers move to anatolia 3 thousand years ago.
Tha language was changed from Latin to Greek in the Byzantine empire because the majority of its subjects were Greek and because Constantinople was in a Greek territory.
Nahh they was an Empire, but in the end more in name than in real. If you look back in history you might see that all countries were very religious, more or less. The Germans were the first to stop the corrupt catholic church, but they still were religious and look where the reformation brought the rich countries today. I don't really understand what you say, but I see that you don't think Byzantium was Greek though it was? :/
all of the Hellenistic kingdoms including Seleucus, Lysimachus, Ptolemy and Cassander had fallen WAY before the Birth of Christ and therefor before the Byzantine Empire. Look at the historic Regions of Anatolia and their ETHNIC Greek speaking population. Pontus, Bythinia, Cappadocia, Smyrna, Halicarnasus, Nicaea. All of these lands are home to immigrants from mainland Greece who migrated to Anatolia thousands of years ago. to deny that Constantinople was surround by Greeks speaking areas...
yes the Hellenistic Kingdoms had fallen before Byzantium, but these were that spread the Greek language to the eastern mediterreanean, not the fucking byzantium
is nonsense. also, the Muslims conquered and Held Crete for 135 years until in the 9th century the Byzantine empire reconquered the area and Hellenized the arab settlers. Abu Hafs Omar ibn Suab was the Emir of Crete for over a century. so far, I have given you two examples of hellenization of peoples during the 9th century a.d. the slavs in the peleponese and the arabs in Crete. would you like me to keep going?
listen to what you just said you fucking idiot....they became christian and learned greek. what do you think that is called?? Hellinzation!!! you forgot that they changed their last names to Greek ones as well.....if the arabs did not change their names to Greek once they became Christians you would have a HUGE arab population with arab names on Crete today. but you dont, because they changed their names and converted to christianity. thats called Hellenism.
both the arabs in crete and slavs in peleponisos underwent forced hellenism from the Empire. if that was not the case how come we dont find thousands of arabs on crete?? how come we dont see thousands of slavs living in the morea??
talking to you is like talking to the fucking wall. dont take my word for it, read the "chronicle of monemvasia" if you want proof of hellenization. it is a historical 9th century document.
stop pretending to be Greek. no greek in the world would say "gamo tin ellada sou" and still say they were Greek. just admit to being an anti-greek albanian.
adopting orthodoxy and the Greek language, greek names and customs is called being Hellenized you stupid motherfucker. look up the definition of Hellenization you fucking degenerate.
I will give you another Example. in the 14th century the spanish Queen decided to launch the "reqonquista" of spain from the muslim arab territories in Spain. She wanted to kick all of the Arab muslims out of Spain. So she got the catholic church and her Armies to go into Arab held cities like Cordoba and forcefully convert the population and Make them take spanish names. And if the arabs did not conver then they were killed or kicked out of spain.
so because of the Reqonquista of Spain, many ethnic arabs converted to catholicism and and took on spanish names.......yet another example is when the Bulgarian government in the 80's made the ethnic turkish population of Bulgaria Change their names from Turkish names To bulgarian names and made them only speak bulgarian. Accept Turkey intervened and the bulgarian stopped the Forced "Bulgarization" of the turks.
sorry mr. albanian, you have lost this debate. To live in a greek community, speak greek, adopt customs and culture and religion and a greek last name is to become Hellenized. NOT Christianized. to be "christianized" as you put it, means ONLY to adopt the religion. both slavs and arabs underweant FORCED hellenization under the byzantine empire. its a FACT.
let me ask you a question. If i lived in the ottoman empire as a christian Greek. then one day I decided to convert to islam. Change my name to mehmet gorkhan and speak only turkish. what do you think I would be considered by the ottoman empire and by the muslims there?? do you not know that most turks of today are actually converted greeks and armenians ?? but we do not call them "turkish greeks or turkish armenians" we call them Turks, why? because they assimilated into turkish population.
if you want a historical byzantine document all you have to do is read the "Chronicle of Monemvasia" which is all about the slavs penetrating Greece all the way to peleponisos and how the Emperor Constantine Vii Flavius Porphyrogenitus hellenized the slavic population by sending priests to convert them and force them to speak Greek.
your comparison with the english and africans is ridiculous. africa is not close to england and did not assimilate into english society. Africa was colonized. And africans did not consider themselves English even though they spoke English. The situation completely different in the byzantine empire. We have settler coming to Greece and being converted to christianity and forced to speak the greek lanugage and adopt Greek names. thats called hellenization. thats a FACT.
look at corsica. before the 18th century corsicans considered themselves an independence semi-italian people. Then France invaded and forced the French Language and now people on corsica consider themselves French. its the same thing in the byzantine Empire.
as I said, what you call "Christianization" was in fact part of a broader program of hellenization to foreign peoples who had settled in Greek speaking Areas.. The empire and the Church wanted to make sure that these new settlers assimilate in to the language and religion of the Empire. Therefor these different peoples "became" Greeks by adopting orthodoxy and the Greek language and therefor adopting a greek identity.
and as far as the Church goes, if you are really a greek (which i highly doubt) then you would know that if it was not for orthodoxy to indetify us, we would have been converted to Islam and made into turks by the ottoman empire. so if it wasnt for orthodoxy you would be a muslim turk.
ok jerkoff, define hellenization. if assimilating into the greek population, speaking Greek, adopting orthodoxy and adopting a greek last name is not hellenization then what is???
you know what, forget it, im just going in circles with you. like i said, ive made my point and given examples of Hellenization (not Christianization) of the arabs and slavs. According to the defenition of Hellenization, these two peoples came under forced hellenization by the Byzantine empire.
websters dictionary defines Hellenization as "to make Greek or Hellenistic in form or culture" Which is exactly what happened to the slavs and Arabs. They were forced to speak Greek and Change their names to Greek last name and accept Greek culture and customs. that my albanian friend, is called Hellenization.
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bennihana123 1 week ago
it's pathetic how constantinople was lost by these turks, did you know there was a beautiful church built during the macedonian dynasty, and want to guess how it dissapeared? these idiots decided to use the church as storage for gunpowder, and guess what, one night it exploded. Why??? What did the romans do to the muslims to be so destructive?? Seriously, and the shame behind the marble excuse from the hippodrome is that those mosques look like pathetic copies of the hagia sophia!
Justinian43 4 weeks ago 2
Crusaders pillage and runsacked the city as written in books and scrolls also mentioned in umberto eco's book when turks entered the city it was already in ruins its artifacts were destroyed or stolen, turks restore and repaired the city study history before commenting on something!
4rchdru1d 1 month ago
@4rchdru1d repaired? more like built new stuff out of the old that was meant to be preserved, you don;t see people taking the pyramids apart now do you?
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harbiye100 2 months ago
I see the pictures of 19th century of Athens full of mosques and Muslim graveyards. You are not lower than us when it comes to destroying eveything. At least We still keep that Byzatine(which is not fact the truth, the truth is Eastern Roman) remnants and heritage, is there any standing still Ottoman imaret yet in Greece?Do not tell me who destroyed history...
dontwantanickname 8 months ago
@dontwantanickname it isnt eastern roman it was coz emperor constantine was half greek and roman and after him it was his son halfblood too but after him was constantine's son's ungle from the side of the mother of constantine who was greek so it was a greek empire after that
iordanisdanis 6 months ago
@iordanisdanis There were more than 60 emperors of Rhomania (Byzantine empire). They were of various origins; you think that with every change on the throne the identity of the empire changed too?
The origin of the emperor is not so important. All the emperors were Romans citizens with greek culture, language and education and Christians. That was enough.
Besides, since Constitutio Antoniniana every free man born in the empire was Roman citizen. The national origins over time became secondary.
Lhein33 4 months ago
@iordanisdanis it's liked saying the united states split in two, the west (california, arizona, new mexico, etc.) survived but was populated by hispanic people, so would we call that the united states of mexico? NO! The empire never fell until 1461 officially (trebizond)
Justinian43 4 weeks ago
@all of you out there!! religion.. religion.. religion.Religion is bringing this world to the end, my religion is better than yours, my god is more handsome than yours, and so on and so forth and you have those idiots killing each other, just to find out whose god and religion is better!!!
GREGUA1000 9 months ago
Hippodrome ? Who gives a damn about a hippodrome. When the Crusaders took over Jerusalem, they destroy mosques and killed Jews.
idricool 9 months ago
@idricool The Crusades were a logical response to muslim aggression. Their final cause was slaughter of christian pilgrims by the muslims. The Arabs massacred enormous numbers of Copts, not to mention their other victims, and the muslims destroyed or stole large numbers of churches.
orel753 9 months ago
@123DROCK The Greeks called themselves (and still do,although rarely) Rhomaioi.They were the true heirs of the Roman Empire.The Catholic Western Europeans were jealous of them throughout the Medieval Era and called them Greeks because they couldnt stand the truth.
Relax180 1 year ago
@123DROCK they fleed because they probably didnt believe the pope only had contact with god. where as orthodoxy everyone can directly talk to god. mind you it was the help of the crusaders that helped byzantine fall. they conspired with certain age of enlightment to bring it down. call it greed. mind you some humans are total idiots and some are just great. everything always balances for the right time and the right place. i guess its all part of human evolution.
wellwellwellhello 1 year ago
@123DROCK IS TRUTH AND TRUTH IS HATED
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
@123DROCK THE romans WAS DESTROYERS OF GREEK POLITISM ONE LIFE THE BYZANTIUM IS GREEK THE NORTHERN italy IS GREEK. MEANS MAGNA GRECIA
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
BYZANTIUM IS GREEK
CONSTANTINOPLE IS GREEK
unfukkkmee 1 year ago
By the time Turks took the city, hippodrome, along with many other monuments, has long been a site of ruins: "Constantinople never really recovered from its sack during the Fourth Crusade and even though the Byzantine Empire survived until 1453, by that time, the Hippodrome had fallen into ruin." (wikipedia)
Turks caused much cultural ruin but, structurally and superficially, Constantinople has been a façade for centuries before the Turkish conquest. Take a look at its population timeline.
denizsi 1 year ago
i think that all of the old structures should be restored, both turkic and byzantine.
16Canadian 1 year ago
GERCEKTEN YA O GOSTERİSLİ HALDEN BU SUNEPE HALE Mİ GELMİS...
bosphorate 1 year ago
turks destroyed everything yes, the american natives, the roman empire, european jews, carthaga, thousands of scientists and philosophers were accused to be heretics and burnt alive, all these things were done by the turks. :) all of your heads are buckets full of stereotype shits. Let me tell you something. To build St. Sophia justinianus ordered the artemis temple to be torn down and used its magnificient columns in St. Sophia. They torn down this wonderful temple to build a stupid church.
artemisentreri1 1 year ago
1:47 Can you see the horses? Where are they? They are in Rome now!!! And many other parts of different statues were robbed by the Crusaders. The Crusaders who invaded Constantinople, many years before the Turks came to the city.
darkhorni 1 year ago
It was destroyed by the Crusaders, Byzantine didn't have enough economy to restore it, and the Ottoman Turks weren't interested in the restoration of the hippodrome.
darkhorni 1 year ago
Do it then
RumbleMilitia 1 year ago
Istanbul, hippodrome, hagia sofia is all ours. We do what we wanna dol with'em. Come and take it if you dare.
By the way; both hippodrome, hagia sofia and all the beauties of Istanbul has been f.ked by crusaders. It is officially the biggest loot of the history, so you catholics better of shut up. Orthodoxes come and take your Konstantinopolis if you have the balls to do that or shut up!
RumbleMilitia 1 year ago
@RumbleMilitia the hippodrome doesnt exist anymore so you dont own that. If greece went to war with trukey im sure russia bulgaria and other orthodx countries would join so turkey would get fukd
ROBHUGHES1453 1 year ago
@ROBHUGHES1453 hha russıans never help byou ıf russıa try thıs usa kıck the russıan ass,,,,,,ı thınk noone want war.......you can only dream
cenkcez 1 year ago
@cenkcez are u dreaming you fkcing turk
Arayik777 1 year ago
@Arayik777 yes fuckıng armenıan we take karabag and waıt 2015 not fake genocıde you see real genocıde ın 2015
cenkcez 1 year ago
@cenkcez you take karabag? ahahahahahahahah. so you like genocide ha? besides azeribajan is not turkish so why you worry. i will wish turks come to fight in karabagh so when i get prisoner i can have some fun with them. why wait until 2015? why not now we are ready.. this time we will even take nakichevan from there to ani. mother fukcers. death to islam. fuck your muhammed, i wish i can fuck your mohammed in the ass, fuck your holly things. i wanna masturbate on koran
Arayik777 1 year ago
@RumbleMilitia lol you are a retarded. they will take their lands back. while we armenians we will take our lands back VAN KARS ANI
Arayik777 1 year ago
They destroyed the hippodrome in order to create magnificent favelas dirty and stinky
Alexander29854 1 year ago
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Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire. BUT, it had a Greek Identity. Armenian, Slavic and Arab families that lived in the Empire changed their names or adopted Greek names to adapt to the PREVAILING culture of the Byzantine Empire which was a Hellenic Culture. Like the Armenian Emperor Heraclius. Heraclius is not an Armenian Name.
PAKCO75 1 year ago
The marble was needed to build the mosques. What a stupid thing to do. A magnificent hippodrome torn down, what a shame. If these were the Turks with their original nomadic culture they would have respect for nature and beauty but did not have any left after forcefully converted to Islam.
aaronsummers100 1 year ago 8
@aaronsummers100
What a stupid of you dump, it is not Islam and Turks but it was the cruisade 4th which torn down and ruined the city. It was already a ruined city once Turks came and Turks enriched the city with their own culture. You should read more about the city.
omeryildirim803506 1 month ago
@omeryildirim803506 and?? did the turks preserve the city?? NO! It;s a miracle the hagia sophia wasn't taken apart or used to store gunpowder....
Justinian43 4 weeks ago
Turks!!!
A year ago they used Hagia Sofia Church as a place for Fashion Demonstrations. They even placed a catwalk in the temple.
Some things remain the..... shame.
megalolamogio 1 year ago 2
stupid turks they destroyed the hippodrome the last ceremony that was held in the hippodrome was during the late 16th to 17th centuries and the ceremony was to witness the circumcision of the sultan's kid!!!! WTF?!!!!
melbingkoy 1 year ago 3
@melbingkoy LMAO
Alexandros1294 1 year ago
Byzantine structures are very beautifıl..ı think these are rebuilt for tourism...
cenkcez 1 year ago
@cenkcez It ain't rebuild...
iDenmark 1 year ago
@iDenmark ı want to say these buildings must be rebuilt ....these structures are very valuable
cenkcez 1 year ago
@cenkcez Do you think anybody would finance such a project? It would take years to build it exactly like the Greeks did.
iDenmark 1 year ago
@iDenmark yes ıt can be expensive but this is now istanbuls culture,,,ı like hıstorıc buildings ın my opinıon these buildings must be saved...ım turk but ı like byzantıne structures .specially in istanbul there was alot of beautıful structures in istanbul...but unfortunately they were ruined now...if our government want to develop tourism,,,these buildings must be rebuilt for humanity culture
cenkcez 1 year ago
@cenkcez No it isn't Turkey's culture, it is Greece culture because it was made by Greeks. I don't think anyone, wants to see a copy in the format 1:1 of old wonders of the world. It would make Turkey look pretty strange if they rebuilt Greek wonders. People would think that Turkey has gone mad because of that.
As far as I know, Turkey doesn't lack tourism. A lot of Europeans are going to Turkey for a nice swimming holiday and see the old Greek monuments.
iDenmark 1 year ago
@cenkcez Do you think anybody would finance such a project? It's way to expensive and it would take years to rebuild it in the way the Greeks did with stone for stone...
Are you actually a Turk who admirer Greek culture? :)
iDenmark 1 year ago
@cenkcez you know, they're rebuilding the colossus of Rhodes. Time will tell if God destroys it in his anger or if its original destruction was really a fluke, eh?
RedRocker9957 1 year ago
Islam destroyed this epic culture and brought darkness to the Balkans.
iDenmark 2 years ago
Byzantium was a fucking Theocracy
we are better without it
RozSatyros 2 years ago
The Byzantine empire was not Greek
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Kala re filaraki den exeis zwh?Opou blepeis videaki gia byzantio kaneis to idio comment.Hmarton.....Oloi istorikoi ginate eidate dyo mlkies sto internet kai ginate eidikoi.
scandalos21 2 years ago
1ον σιγά το δύσκολο να κάνεις spamming
2ον έχω διαβάσει ΟΛΟΥΣ τους Βυζαντινούς ιστορικούς, εσύ;
3ον ποιός σε έβαλε κεχαγιά στην προσωπική μου ζωή;
4ον πονάει η αλήθεια, εεεεε;
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Ποια αληθεια βρε ροζουλη?Στα αρχιδια μου τι ηταν οι Βυζαντινοι (αν κ ξερεις πολυ καλα τι ηταν κ τι εγιναν)Απλα να ξερεις οτι δεν ειναι ολοι εδω παιδακια ή φασιστακια για να τους πουλας μουρη κ να ξεφευγεις απο τα προσωπικα σου απωθημενα.
scandalos21 2 years ago
2 Ορισε τι θεωρεις Ελληνα εκεινη την περιοδο.Η υστερη Βυζαντινη πολιτικη δεχονταν οποιονδηποτε αρκει να ηταν Χριστιανος κ να μιλουσε ελληνικα ανεξαρτητως της εθνολογικης του καταγωγης (βλ Νικιφορος Α αφου εισαι τοσο διαβασμενος)
scandalos21 2 years ago
Ελπιζω να καταλαβαινεις τελικα οτι η μισαλλοδοξια ο φανατισμος και η πορωση δεν ειναι προνομιο μονο των φασιστων αλλα και των αριστεριστων ψευτοκουλτουριαρηδων.Απλα παραποιειτε ολοι την ιστορια για δικο σας οφελος
scandalos21 2 years ago
«Ελπιζω να [..] οφελος»
πες μου πού δείχνω μισσαλοδοξία, που φανατισμό, πού πόρωση και πού παραποιώ την ιστορία
RozSatyros 2 years ago
«2 Ορισε τι [..] αφου εισαι τοσο διαβασμενος»
ο Έλληνας εκείνης της περιόδου ήταν ένα μακρύ, μπλε πλάσμα με δύο κεφάλια και τρία χέρια
Μα καλά ρε μαλάκα άλλος ο ορισμός του Έλληνα στην αρχαιότητα, άλλος στο Βυζάντιο κι άλλος τώρα;
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Ρε ζωο ασχετε αυτο που λεω ειναι να δωσεις πρωτα τον ορισμο του ελληνα α
scandalos21 2 years ago
Και ναι ρε μαλακα "διαβασμενε" ο ορισμος ειναι διαφορετικος.
scandalos21 2 years ago
«βαρεθηκα να προσπαθω να βγαλω ακρη με ολους τους βαρεμενους»
γι αυτό δεν ασχολείσαι με τον εαυτό σου
ρε ζώο αν ασχοληθείς με τον εαυτό σου θα πάψεις να είσαι βαρεμένος
RozSatyros 2 years ago
«Και ναι ρε μαλακα "διαβασμενε" ο ορισμος ειναι διαφορετικος»
τελικά θα αποφασίσεις τι στον πούτσο μου ζήτησες, τον ορισμό του Έλληνα, ή του Έλληνα εκείνης της περιόδου;
RozSatyros 2 years ago
«αυτο που λεω ειναι να δωσεις πρωτα τον ορισμο του ελληνα»
δεν μου ζήτησες τον ορισμό του Έλληνα, αλλά αυτού εκείνης της περιόδου
RozSatyros 2 years ago
«Απλα να [..]απωθημενα»
έστω πως έχω προσωπικά απωθημένα, εσένα ρε τι σε νοιάζουνε;
Αλήθεια ποιός είναι χειρότερος, εγώ που έχω απωθημένα ή εσύ που ασχολήσε με τα δικά μου απωθημένα ενώ δεν με γνωρίζεις καν;
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Εδω εχεις ενα δικιο υπαρχουν ειδικοι γιατροι γι αυτο συγγνωμη
scandalos21 2 years ago
Και για να το ληξουμε γιατι βαρεθηκα να προσπαθω να βγαλω ακρη με ολους τους βαρεμενους, πιστευε και λεγε οτι θελεις εξαλλου η ασχετοσυνη και η ανθρωπινη βλακεια εκτος απο απειρη ειναι και αφορολογητη (no repply from me again γραψε οτι σου καβλωσει)
scandalos21 2 years ago
«πιστευε και λεγε οτι θελεις»
έλα ρε, μου το επιτρέπεις;
Ποιός στον πούτσο νομίζεις πως είσαι;
Ρε ουστ φασίστα
«εξαλλου η ασχετοσυνη και η ανθρωπινη βλακεια εκτος απο απειρη ειναι και αφορολογητη»
υποθέτω μιλάς απο προσωπική πείρα
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Δεν ειχα σλοπο να απαντησω αλλα κανεις δεν με λεει φασιστα και να το αφηνω να πεσει
scandalos21 2 years ago
«Εδω εχεις ενα δικιο υπαρχουν ειδικοι γιατροι γι αυτο συγγνωμη»
έτσι μπράβο, να μου ζητάς συγγνώμη, και να πας στον γιατρό που λες ΓΡΗΓΟΡΑ.
Ακούς εκεί να ασχολείται με τα απωθημένα των άλλων, ζωή ρε χλεχλέ δεν έχεις;
RozSatyros 2 years ago
κατ αρχας στα αρχιδια μου αν οι βυζαντινοι ηταν ελληνεσ αυτο στο ξαναπα
scandalos21 2 years ago
Α, κάτι ακόμα
The Byzantine empire was not Greek
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Γουσταρω να σας κουρδιζω lol.Ρε βλακα χαλαρωσε λιγο που με εβγαλες κ φασιστα εσυ στο τελος θα με βγαλεις κ γαβρο.Σου ειπα κ πριν στα αρχιδια μου τι ηταν οι Βυζαντινοι, αυτο που θελω να πω ειναι οτι δεν πρεπιει να εισαι τοσο απολυτα κολλημενος σε κατι που σου προβαλλαν καποιοι
scandalos21 2 years ago
2αυτο που θελω να πω ειναι οτι πρεπει να μην ειμαστε απολυτοι.Προφανως ουτε στη χρυση αυγη ουτε στον αναρχικο χωρο ουτε και στην ΚΝΕ μαθαινουν στον κοσμο τετοιες εννοιες.Δεν μπορω να καταλαβω που ανηκεις αλλα καταλαβε οτι τα πραγματα δεν ειναι μονο ασπρα ή μαυρα
scandalos21 2 years ago
πέραν της πλάκας συμφωνώ, δεν είναι όλα άσπρο/μαύρο, πού είδες όμως πως εγώ έχω απόλυτη άποψη
το γεγονός πως δεν καταλαβαίνεις που ανήκω, μήπως αποδεικνύει πως δεν είμαι απόλυτος;
ΥΓ
Γιατί συνεχίζεις να ασχολείσαι με τα απωθημένα του άλλου;
RozSatyros 2 years ago
«Δεν μπορω να καταλαβω που ανηκεις αλλα καταλαβε οτι τα πραγματα δεν ειναι μονο ασπρα ή μαυρα»
θα συμφωνήσω απόλυτα, όλα είναι ροζ
RozSatyros 2 years ago
«αυτο που [..]καποιοι»
απο πού το έβγαλες το συμπέρασμα πως είμαι φερέφωνο άλλων;
Το γεγονός πως πράγματι να έχω διαβάσει όλους τους Βυζαντινούς συγγραφείς και να έχω βγάλει δικό μου συμπέρασμα γιατί το αποκλείεις;
RozSatyros 2 years ago
«Γουσταρω να σας κουρδιζω»
ποιός κουρδίζει ποιόν;
Εσύ είπες «no repply from me again γραψε οτι σου καβλωσει»
Κι όμως τώρα απαντάς γιατί όπως είπες «Δεν ειχα σλοπο να απαντησω αλλα κανεις δεν με λεει φασιστα και να το αφηνω να πεσει»
RozSatyros 2 years ago
you should be shot.
nickpafras 2 years ago
I dont care
Its known that when people speak uncomfortable truths they are being shot
I dont mind to die for the truth
The Byzantine Empire was not Greek
RozSatyros 2 years ago
the byzantine empire was Greek. That does not mean it was Ethnically Greek. it means that the cultrual identity is Greek. Thats why the offical langauge was Greek, thats why mass hellenization of armenians and slavs took place. you are denying facts. Go to istanbul, and look at all of the columns with Greek writing all over them. You are not Greek and a traitor to the Fatherland.
nickpafras 2 years ago
the hellinazation began during the hellenistic Kingdoms and was continued during the Roman times.
During the Byzantine Empire there was a de-hellinization
Greek language was persecuted at first
And there was not a single Greek emperor among the Byzantines
RozSatyros 2 years ago
there was not a de-hellenization process during the byzantine empire. the slavs did not arrive in the balkans until the 6th century which is well after the hellenistic kingdoms. your theory does not hold up. we know as a matter of historical fact from the chronical of Monemvasia that the Slavs of Peloponnese were hellenized and made orthodox. in the 9th century....one of the turkish words for Greeks is "Rum" which means Roman. . I know that because I lived in turkey for 5 years.
nickpafras 2 years ago
the slavs were never Hellenized you moron
They became Orthodoxs, but Orhodoxy doesnt mean Hellenization
and there was a de-Hellenization during the Byzantine
the Christian assholes killed Hypatia
And the Byzantines called themeselves Romans, so?
Why didnt they called themselves Greeks or Hellenes, but had these words for insults?
RozSatyros 2 years ago
the slavs that settled in Peleponisos WERE hellenized you fucking idiot. back in those times to be "Greek" was to be a pagan and therefor an insult. but that does not mean they did not know who they were. the fact is, GREEK was the offical language of the empire and GREEK was the language spoken the vast majority of the empires subjects in Greece and anatolia. and you did not answer my fucking question....WHY DO TURKS CALL GREEK "RUM"??
nickpafras 2 years ago
even today in Africa they speak European languages
are Africans Europeans?
Why was the word Hellenas an insult if they were so proud to be Greeks?
Why the need to invent a new word?
The Turks can call us whatever they want, this means nothing
They are wrong
studying history we are certain of this
now answer mine
should we accept Turkey's opinion and call Fyrom, Macedonia?
RozSatyros 2 years ago
the decision to call FYROM macedonia is a political one. Turks have been calling Greeks Rum for a thousand years. you are a fucking idiot. and do not say "us". you are not the same as me. you are a dirty albanian. YOU ARE NOT GREEK.
nickpafras 2 years ago
I am Greek, and you are an american scum
answer my question, why the Byzantines need to invent a new word and not call themselves Greeks, if they were so proud of being Greeks?
RozSatyros 2 years ago
you are not greek. the byzantine did NOT invent a new word. Greeks started calling themselves Roman after they assimilated in the Roman empire. during the rise of Christianity in 1st and 2nd century the name "greek" got a bad connotation because it meant pagan....you are not a greek. you are a dirty fucking jew albanian.
nickpafras 2 years ago
if they were proud to be Greeks why after 1000 years they didnt change their name?
why when they were called Greeks by others they were furious?
And I did answer tyour question you American moron
RozSatyros 2 years ago
I dont live in America psologlifti, I already told you that being called greek was the same as being called pagan in those times. you are a fucking morong. stop pretending to be a Greek. everybody knows who you are, albanian pretender. and NO you did not answer my question. it is OBVIOUS to anybody with a brain that both turks and arabs call Greeks "Rum" because they know that Greek was the identity of the eastern roman empire. stop ignoring facts.
nickpafras 2 years ago
So Turks knew but the byzantines themeselves not?
haahahahahahahahahahah
you are so funny, american redneck
WHY the term Greek was associated with pagans in the Christian, "Greek", proud Byzantine Empire?
answer that you moron
RozSatyros 2 years ago
because Christianity was synonymous with being Roman and Pagan was synonymous with being Greek. When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire in the 4th century, The newly converted Greeks distinguished themselves from their pagan brethren by abandoning the name Greek for Roman.
nickpafras 2 years ago
I asked WHY Pagan was synonymous with being Greek?
WHY?
WHY there was such an insultive association?
WHY?
You are a rascist scum
come and shot me you moron
RozSatyros 2 years ago
you are a filthy skiloalvane anti-Greek piece of shit......pagan was synonymous with being Greek because the Greeks who converted when Christianity became the official religion of the empire in 380 A.D. they did not want to be seen as the same people as the pagan Greeks. because, like i said, to be Christian, meant you were Roman.
nickpafras 2 years ago
that explanation doesnt make sense if the Byzantine Empire was Greek and the Byzantines proud to be Greeks
Σκάσε σκατοέλληνα
γαμώ την Ελλάδα σου
RozSatyros 2 years ago
you are too stupid to understand obviously. ill explain in child like sentences so you can understand. The Byzantine Empires culture was Greek and they spoke Greek. But, since they were the eastern Roman empire, and to be Christian meant to be Roman and vice versa, The Christian population of Greece referred to themselves as Romans because they were Christians. the term "ellinas" was a word that brought up thoughts of paganism and their pagan past. (continued)
nickpafras 2 years ago
Your childish logic is laughable
Byzantines spoke Greek thus were Greeks
Africans speak English thus they are english lords
hahahaha
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Therefor, the abandoned the name "elliinas" for Roman because they converted to Christianity and were part of the Roman empire. after 380 A.D. they could not be considered Roman if they were pagans. understand you fitlhy turkoalvano muslim piece of shit??
nickpafras 2 years ago
This doesnt answer my question you fool
WHY would they keep the term Hellenas as an insult after 1000 years?
WHY have the term Greek an insult as well, which meant coward?
RozSatyros 2 years ago
it did not mean coward, it meant pagan. your comparison with africans is not an accurate one. look at a map of historical Greek speaking population, and look at a map of the byzantine empire. you will see that the majority of the empire falls into historical Greek speaking territories. i.e. greece, anatolia, cyprus.
nickpafras 2 years ago
Hellenas meant pagan
Greek meant coward
the fact that they spoke Greek means nothing
Greek was a universal language since the Hellenistic kingdoms' time
RozSatyros 2 years ago
nobody used the word Greek in the empire. the word was always hellenas. and the fact that they spoke greek means EVERYTHING because they self-identified as Greeks.
nickpafras 2 years ago
you know shit
the word Greek (Γραικος) was used and not Hellenas (Ελληνας) to describe us back then, and it was synonymus to the word coward
RozSatyros 2 years ago
the church traitors?? it was Bishop Germanos who was the FIRST person to raise the flag of revolution you fucking idiot!!! ever heard of papa flessas??
nickpafras 2 years ago
its funny that you call the Church a traitor and you are the one denying Greek history. YOU ARE THE TRAITOR. well not really, because you are not even greek in the first place. you are an albanian pretending to be greek. you need to learn some history how it was the CHURCH and only the church that educated the Greek people after hundreds of years of illiteracy.
nickpafras 2 years ago
yeah ok
There is no historical source that says that the church helped us
as a matter of fact the Church condemned the Greek Renaisance
RozSatyros 2 years ago
read the Chronicle of monemvasia, which is a historical byzantine document from the 9th century telling how the empire hellenized the slavs fromthe peloponisos. Bishop Germanos was a hero and so was Pappa Flessas.
nickpafras 2 years ago
Papa Flessas was, but as he says to us, Germanos was a traitor
Once more
Christianization doesnt mean Hellinazation
RozSatyros 2 years ago
only the ecumenical patriarch was against the revolution because he was scared for his life. But all of the churches of the Morea and Macedonia privatley funded the revolution.
nickpafras 2 years ago
ooo poor Patriarch
While Diakos (who was a priest no less) denied to save his life betraying the Revolution, the Patriarch condemned it.
Also he condemned the Revolutionaries before the Revolution.
Lastly the Church as a whole condemned the Greek Renaisance
Also as the Revolutionaries say, Germanos was a traitor as well
RozSatyros 2 years ago
where do you think Papa Flessas got the money for the resistance malaka??
nickpafras 2 years ago
Read what Kolokotronis says for the Patriarch and what Papa Flessas says for Germanos you asshole
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Actually Germanos was a traitor
The revolutionaries say that he took the spoils from Tripollitsa to raise a fortune
And the Revolution needed money
Have you heard of the bastard Patriarch who condemned the Revolution?
Those who allied themselves with the Germans in 1941?
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Armenian and slav families changed their names to sound more Greek so that can fit in with the rest of the Empire. how do you explain the name Emperor Heraclius and Emperor John tsimisces, both of which are ethnically armenian emperors that came from Hellenized armenian families living in the empire. How do you explain all of the slavs living in the Peloponnese being hellenized by the church?
nickpafras 2 years ago
the Greek language prevailed although the first emperors tried to force Latin
Thus afterwards the emperors wanted their names to fir the official language
for more about the language see my other comment
By Hellenized you mean, Christianised, which of course isnt right
Hellinization dowsnt mean Christinization
RozSatyros 2 years ago
no it means hellenization. they wanted to become citizens of the empire and to fit in you had to speak greek and change your name. hence, the hellenizing of the slavs and armenians.
nickpafras 2 years ago
only in your dreams Christinization means Hellinazation you fundumentalst moron
go to Iran you piece of shit
RozSatyros 2 years ago
u are denying historical facts. if you wanted to fit in the empire with the rest of the people you spoke Greek and changed your name. hence the hellenization of the slavs. why do you think there are 600 slavic place names in Greece with no slavs??? because they were turned into Greeks in the 9th century you fucking know-nothing jerk off.
nickpafras 2 years ago
Hahahaha
Thats so funny
The reason you moron is because there were Slavs in these areas till the first years of the 20th century
RozSatyros 2 years ago
there were NO slavs in the peleponisos malaka in the 20th century. there were slavs in macedonia.
nickpafras 2 years ago
you mentioned Greece in general, not Peloponisos in particular, so of course I meant those in Macedonia
How stupid are you?
RozSatyros 2 years ago
whatever skatoalvane, keep living in your anti-Greek fantasy.
nickpafras 2 years ago
anti-greek is to believe that Byzantium was Greek
RozSatyros 2 years ago
it was not the people that kept the term Hellas. it was the CHURCH. it was the Church and ONLY the Church that kept alive ancient greek history under the ottoman empire. it wasnt until during the revolution that the Greeks started to reclaim their identity and history.
nickpafras 2 years ago
Fuck the Church
they have always been a bunch of traitors
as Kolokotronis says
they condemned the Rebellion and Kolokotronis among many true patriots
RozSatyros 2 years ago
look psologlifti, im tired of going back and forth with you. YOU are the ONLY person i have ever met that says the byzantine empire did not have a greek identity. u are giving me a headache. im done talking to u. stop parading as a greek when u are not.
nickpafras 2 years ago
and actually, the word Byzantine is Greek. and we know as a FACT that Constantinople started out as a small Greek fishing village called Byzantium. look at the historic Greek populations of Anatolia (modern day turkey) Trabzond, Smyrna, bursa, Iznik, Bodrum, Iskander, Cappadocia, Karaman. ALl greek historic greek speaking areas for thousands of years when Greek settlers move to anatolia 3 thousand years ago.
nickpafras 2 years ago
Tha language was changed from Latin to Greek in the Byzantine empire because the majority of its subjects were Greek and because Constantinople was in a Greek territory.
nickpafras 2 years ago
these terittories spoke Greek during the Roman times
The first emperors tried to change that
learn some history you moron
RozSatyros 2 years ago
Nahh they was an Empire, but in the end more in name than in real. If you look back in history you might see that all countries were very religious, more or less. The Germans were the first to stop the corrupt catholic church, but they still were religious and look where the reformation brought the rich countries today. I don't really understand what you say, but I see that you don't think Byzantium was Greek though it was? :/
iDenmark 2 years ago
Byzantium wasnt Greek
I dare anyone who thinks otherwise to do as I did
To back his arguments his historical works both modern and Byzantine
RozSatyros 2 years ago
all of the Hellenistic kingdoms including Seleucus, Lysimachus, Ptolemy and Cassander had fallen WAY before the Birth of Christ and therefor before the Byzantine Empire. Look at the historic Regions of Anatolia and their ETHNIC Greek speaking population. Pontus, Bythinia, Cappadocia, Smyrna, Halicarnasus, Nicaea. All of these lands are home to immigrants from mainland Greece who migrated to Anatolia thousands of years ago. to deny that Constantinople was surround by Greeks speaking areas...
nickpafras 2 years ago
yes the Hellenistic Kingdoms had fallen before Byzantium, but these were that spread the Greek language to the eastern mediterreanean, not the fucking byzantium
RozSatyros 2 years ago
is nonsense. also, the Muslims conquered and Held Crete for 135 years until in the 9th century the Byzantine empire reconquered the area and Hellenized the arab settlers. Abu Hafs Omar ibn Suab was the Emir of Crete for over a century. so far, I have given you two examples of hellenization of peoples during the 9th century a.d. the slavs in the peleponese and the arabs in Crete. would you like me to keep going?
nickpafras 2 years ago
you have given me nothing
you just mentioned two cases where these people were Christianised, learned Greek and became citizents of the Byzantine empire
the thing is that you should prove that by becoming citizents of the Empire they become Greeks
Your logic is false and thus you are stupid
RozSatyros 2 years ago
listen to what you just said you fucking idiot....they became christian and learned greek. what do you think that is called?? Hellinzation!!! you forgot that they changed their last names to Greek ones as well.....if the arabs did not change their names to Greek once they became Christians you would have a HUGE arab population with arab names on Crete today. but you dont, because they changed their names and converted to christianity. thats called Hellenism.
nickpafras 2 years ago
yeah right
Hellas means Orthodoxy
fuck Orthodoxy
Fuck the Church
a bunch of traitors and collaborators
they destroyed Greek civilazation and philosophy
Fundumentalist scum, go to Iran
RozSatyros 2 years ago
both the arabs in crete and slavs in peleponisos underwent forced hellenism from the Empire. if that was not the case how come we dont find thousands of arabs on crete?? how come we dont see thousands of slavs living in the morea??
nickpafras 2 years ago
I will say it once more
CHRISTINAZATION DOES NOT MEAN HELLENIZATION
RozSatyros 2 years ago
talking to you is like talking to the fucking wall. dont take my word for it, read the "chronicle of monemvasia" if you want proof of hellenization. it is a historical 9th century document.
nickpafras 2 years ago
I have read it
now go read Procopius who says that the Byzantines were using the word Greeks (Γραικοι) as synonymus to cowards
RozSatyros 2 years ago
stop pretending to be Greek. no greek in the world would say "gamo tin ellada sou" and still say they were Greek. just admit to being an anti-greek albanian.
nickpafras 2 years ago
You can say anything you like moron
I am Greek and το γαμώ την Ελλάδα σου, means I fuck YOUR Greece, not Greece
RozSatyros 2 years ago
adopting orthodoxy and the Greek language, greek names and customs is called being Hellenized you stupid motherfucker. look up the definition of Hellenization you fucking degenerate.
nickpafras 2 years ago
only fundementalists define Hellenization as Christinization
go live in Iran you fundementalist scum
RozSatyros 2 years ago
I know you are out to rewrite Greek history but you cant. you are alone in your fight. nobody accepts your nonsense.
nickpafras 2 years ago
no one accepts yours
only fascist writers in Greece
everyone else agrees with me
As I have said, I have cited numerous authors that say what I am, you have cited none
RozSatyros 2 years ago
I will give you another Example. in the 14th century the spanish Queen decided to launch the "reqonquista" of spain from the muslim arab territories in Spain. She wanted to kick all of the Arab muslims out of Spain. So she got the catholic church and her Armies to go into Arab held cities like Cordoba and forcefully convert the population and Make them take spanish names. And if the arabs did not conver then they were killed or kicked out of spain.
nickpafras 2 years ago
so because of the Reqonquista of Spain, many ethnic arabs converted to catholicism and and took on spanish names.......yet another example is when the Bulgarian government in the 80's made the ethnic turkish population of Bulgaria Change their names from Turkish names To bulgarian names and made them only speak bulgarian. Accept Turkey intervened and the bulgarian stopped the Forced "Bulgarization" of the turks.
nickpafras 2 years ago
So most of us are Turks because our names end in -ογλου and so on
hahahahaha
RozSatyros 2 years ago
you cant deny the forced hellenization of Arabs and Slavs within the empire. it is a historical fact.
nickpafras 2 years ago
Christinization doesnt mean Hellinazation
RozSatyros 2 years ago
sorry mr. albanian, you have lost this debate. To live in a greek community, speak greek, adopt customs and culture and religion and a greek last name is to become Hellenized. NOT Christianized. to be "christianized" as you put it, means ONLY to adopt the religion. both slavs and arabs underweant FORCED hellenization under the byzantine empire. its a FACT.
nickpafras 2 years ago
yeah OK
you said that I lost the debate and that the slavs were Hellenized and it must be so
Would you mind back your arguments with some data, facts, proof, evidence?
As I have said again and again I have numerous times backed mine (that the Byzantines were not Greeks)
Cite a source, an author, a book, a document
something
RozSatyros 2 years ago
let me ask you a question. If i lived in the ottoman empire as a christian Greek. then one day I decided to convert to islam. Change my name to mehmet gorkhan and speak only turkish. what do you think I would be considered by the ottoman empire and by the muslims there?? do you not know that most turks of today are actually converted greeks and armenians ?? but we do not call them "turkish greeks or turkish armenians" we call them Turks, why? because they assimilated into turkish population.
nickpafras 2 years ago
In the Ottoman empire you would be considered Ottoman
In Turkey today you wouldnt be considered a Turk
Thats my point
Ottoman empire (as well as the Byzantine Empire) were being defined by religion
So they could not be given any nationalist charecteristics
RozSatyros 2 years ago
to convert to orthodoxy and learn Greek and assimilate to the Greek population is called being Hellenized you fucking idiot.
nickpafras 2 years ago
yeah in your dreams you fundumentalist scum
RozSatyros 2 years ago
if you want a historical byzantine document all you have to do is read the "Chronicle of Monemvasia" which is all about the slavs penetrating Greece all the way to peleponisos and how the Emperor Constantine Vii Flavius Porphyrogenitus hellenized the slavic population by sending priests to convert them and force them to speak Greek.
nickpafras 2 years ago
yeah ok, so they learned Greek and became Greek?
hahahaha
The Africans learned to speak English so they were English
hahahaha
RozSatyros 2 years ago
your comparison with the english and africans is ridiculous. africa is not close to england and did not assimilate into english society. Africa was colonized. And africans did not consider themselves English even though they spoke English. The situation completely different in the byzantine empire. We have settler coming to Greece and being converted to christianity and forced to speak the greek lanugage and adopt Greek names. thats called hellenization. thats a FACT.
nickpafras 2 years ago
look at corsica. before the 18th century corsicans considered themselves an independence semi-italian people. Then France invaded and forced the French Language and now people on corsica consider themselves French. its the same thing in the byzantine Empire.
nickpafras 2 years ago
hahahaha
Corsicans are French citizents but dont consider themselves French
RozSatyros 2 years ago
the Chronicle of monemvasia is a 9th century byzantine document. google it.
nickpafras 2 years ago
you moron as I said I have all the Byzantine writers
I have read them all
Christinization doesnt mean Hellenization
RozSatyros 2 years ago
as I said, what you call "Christianization" was in fact part of a broader program of hellenization to foreign peoples who had settled in Greek speaking Areas.. The empire and the Church wanted to make sure that these new settlers assimilate in to the language and religion of the Empire. Therefor these different peoples "became" Greeks by adopting orthodoxy and the Greek language and therefor adopting a greek identity.
nickpafras 2 years ago
oh come on, still arguing with the language argument
as I said, the Africans speak English thus they are English lords
hahahaha
as for the Church, fuck yourself you fundmentalist moron
RozSatyros 2 years ago
and as far as the Church goes, if you are really a greek (which i highly doubt) then you would know that if it was not for orthodoxy to indetify us, we would have been converted to Islam and made into turks by the ottoman empire. so if it wasnt for orthodoxy you would be a muslim turk.
nickpafras 2 years ago
This is not what the great minds of the Greek Renaisance say
as a matter some of them were some of the most anti-Byzantinists of all times
RozSatyros 2 years ago
ok jerkoff, define hellenization. if assimilating into the greek population, speaking Greek, adopting orthodoxy and adopting a greek last name is not hellenization then what is???
nickpafras 2 years ago
I would agree that the first two are two things that must be done
but alone arent enough
adopting a Greek name isnt
neither is converting to Orthodoxy
Only a fundementalist scum like you would say tha latter
As for the first, a name is just a name, it changes nothing
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RozSatyros 2 years ago
you know what, forget it, im just going in circles with you. like i said, ive made my point and given examples of Hellenization (not Christianization) of the arabs and slavs. According to the defenition of Hellenization, these two peoples came under forced hellenization by the Byzantine empire.
nickpafras 2 years ago
yeah sure
and the Africans became English lords because they learned English
RozSatyros 2 years ago
websters dictionary defines Hellenization as "to make Greek or Hellenistic in form or culture" Which is exactly what happened to the slavs and Arabs. They were forced to speak Greek and Change their names to Greek last name and accept Greek culture and customs. that my albanian friend, is called Hellenization.
nickpafras 2 years ago