Getting off the topic of pretty much every comment under this, I really love Jabba's voice in this clip, its so booming and bellowing, a very intimidating voice. Unlike in ROTJ where he sounded like scraping metal on thick sandpaper.
If I was supervising a restoration project of the original trilogy, I'd cut this scene out and leave it as a special feature. In addition, I'd remove all the unnecessary CGI, remove all references to Greedo firing at all, have Sebastian Shaw reprise his role as ghost Anakin, and some other things.
George Lucas, if other filmmakers did what you keep doing to the original trilogy, maybe you'd have a point about films not being finished. But that isn't the case, so leave well enough alone.
Instead of doing the goofy "walking over Jabba's tail" effect I always wondered why they didn't just splice in a scene switch similar to what they did with Chewy at 0:38 - 0:42.
For example at 0:46 they could have switched to a close up Bobba Fett, with Han's audio still playing, then switched back to the original scene at 0:51
This whole scene is a mess. Why do we need another scene that repeats the dialogue of the Greedo scene? Notice how Han calls Jabba "A Wonderful Human being" as Jabba was originally going to be a Human. Replacing the actor with a CG Jabba was a bad idea as he looks nothing like Jabba in RotJ. But the worst problem of all has to be the awful tail tread 0:48 as it's just so badly done.
Adding this scene was a huge mistake, what were you thinking George Lucas?
@RocketeerRaccoon well I agree the scene was redundant but it was cool to see Jabba again and the scene was a classic sitting on the cutting room floor for decades. I always took Han calling Jabba a "wonderful human being" kinda like a slight jab or even a playfulness like how you relate to things sorta like talking to your cat or dog and calling them a good "boy".
i would have preferred it if declan mulholland's original scene was in the film. he 's so much better and he has way more dialogue than the actual jabba
Love how they did this scene the first time round with the old Jabba, though I think they should have stayed along the lines of keeping his design that way. Why not make a huge puppet like they did for the third film and cut it in that way, stay true to the trilogy.
Only great thing about this scene is how they incorporated Boba Fett. His presence is just intimidating.
It would have been easier for Han to start walking around Jabba - cut to a shot of Boba Fett looking at them and taking in the conversation - then cut back to Han on the other side of Jabba.
Still like the scene as it put Boba Fett in ANH! ^_^
@eateroftheflame Think about it. Instead of walking infront of him, han walks on his tail, for no reason. and Jabba just lets him get away with it. His guards let him get away. Plus the digital effect on the image of han looks almost half as bad as itn did in the cantina with greedo. Also jabba reaction sucks. Actually it's scary. It scared me as a kid when I saw this scene, that loud yell he makes. It still scares me to this day.
Nice work. It's a shame that they couldn't get all these minor details right the first.... Err.. 2nd and 3rd time around.
Thumbs up. I didn't mind Jabba being re-inserted in the Original star wars, but they needed to do it right. Remove the walking on the Tail and fix the voice. That's all that needed to be done.
When Lucasfilm released Star Wars on DVD in 2004, ILM tried to make Jabba look more like the one from ROTJ, but they failed miserably. Jabba's arms and backside were never that dark.. It looks like has a really bad sunburn.
They had to do the cheesy edit of this, because they changed Jabba to a Hutt halfway through. The original scene had Jabba as a human. The bit with the tail was hastily edited in because in the original, Han walks around Jabba. Otherwise, it makes no sense, why would a ruthless crime lord let Han be so disrespectful to him?
Great job, Jabba sounds much more menacing like in the third movie, notice I called Return of the Jedi third instead of sixth. Nothing can beat the orginal trilogy with its original special effects and the way it was originally edited.
Yeah. Especialy since I had the joy of watching these in the mid-nineties. I'm glad to find kids today who like the originals better. The first prequel was bland, the next one was too talky and romantic, but the last one was surprisingly really good and rewarded us for sitting through the first two. I believe Mozart said you can't change something that's perfect, words of wisdom that George Lucas should listen to.
I agree 100% with you, and I thank you for the compliment. The only way for it to sound like Return Of The Jedi Jabba, is to find the guy who did his voice in 1983. Or try to get someone who can do a better job.
I think that there is some sort of psychological curve to CGI, because if I go back and watch an old movie with CGI (1997's Air Force One, for example) it looks like cheap CGI. I think the human brain has somehow adapted to the effect and expects something even more photorealistic.
IMHO, Jabba doesn't really look like he's "there", he looks like he's pasted on the picture and he doesn't move right, so the CGI effect doesn't convince in my brain.
@MiKikaIwaShizaru That is what I thought about Avatar. The first thing I said is "how is this gonna look in 10 years?" Jurassic Park has held up well, because CGI was used as sparingly as possible. Most shots were with fast motion and they used puppets for a lot of shots. So CGI was more slide of hand. Yeah, it is more noticeable now because (as you said) we have adapted to better visuals since then. But for CGI it sure lasted a long time in my eyes.
@LifeJuice90 I agree with you about Jurassic Park, that was well-done for the early 90s! I have seen recent movies with CGI that look AWFUL, and look how old Jurassic Park is! I have rewatched that in the past year, the CGI of the Dinosaur chasing the jeep still looks real! I recently watched a movie called Whiteout, and the opening sequence was poor CGI (a 1950's Soviet plane in a snowstorm/arctic) that completely ruined the movie for me!
If it LOOKS like CGI then the animators have failed!
@MagicAccent Oh yes, I did a little research back in the hey days of programs like Blender. I always knew CGI looked fake, and it explained why. Traditional animation doesn't suffer as badly as CGI, because it isn't trying to look real. CGI has always had a problem with eyes, and no matter how perfect we do them, the eyes give every thing away. I like CGI for machines, but for humanoids and things similar, it just doesn't work.
I saw Avatar, the way James Cameron intended it to be seen, and it still feels cartoony. The backgrounds were breathtaking, but the characters just felt to plastic. Plus the models were carefully made by the mapping of the actors faces. In the end it was more of a cheat than pure CGI magic.
I just have to disagree. I have not seen better CGI in humanoid characters before. I am a HUGE cgi buff and can tell the difference very easily and can see all the trickery and errors in the images, but Avatar's effects are just amazing. There are many shots where I just have to pause and study it because it just looks SO REAL.
@mott1s I still can't get over the fact how for all the hyperbole Lucasfilm spewed over the Special Editions, that they never fixed the continuity error of Hans waistcoat in the Carbon Freezing Chamber scene in Empire! It always bugged me, and I couldn't believe they'd overlooked it yet again!
@mott1s They didn't need to show that walk over the tail at all, they could have shot a new close-up 'cut-away' of Fett looking at them while Han changes position to get over the move without the need to show it or if they really wanted to spend money on it mock up a new wide-shot from above the hangar so we can't see their faces and use stand-ins.
@mott1s plus why would he step on his tail? it's fucking Jabba, the mafia boss who can have him killed at a whim. It makes no sense. Just as it makes no sense that Greedo shot first. Why would he miss? Why would he shoot at all, when he was going to deliver him to Jabba? This stuff is the product of a sick mind. The changes are monstrous.
I have a subwoofer for my computer's sound system, and Jabba's voice has WAAAAAY TOO MUCH BASS -- my whole frickin house started shaking when i played this edit of yours
Great job on Jabba's voice. This does sound much closer to RotJ. However, the music doesn't work. It just doesn't sound like Star Wars, and it gives the scene an almost whimsical feel.
No kidding? Still, I don't think its mood fits this scene. No big deal really, the point of the video was to make Jabba's voice sound better. You would think that when Han stepped on Jabba's tail he would have gotten really pissed off.
wouldnt itbe easier just use sound clips of jabba? the only thing i could see being a problem is that huttese is a real language (not in real life but in the movie)
I would still love to see the original theatrical versions in at least DVD quality. Instead George Lucas stuck Laserdisc transfers from 93 as bonus discs in the 2006 set.
Who needs subtitles? I have seen this horrible scene enough to not need subtitles. I apologize for the lack of subtitles, but this scene was intended to show the change in audio, not the best example but it can be seen as an improvement. Adywan did the smart thing and removed this scene altogether.
I agree, Jabba shouldn't have been moving around. I think they should have left him out of every movie but ROTJ. In Jedi, he was revealed as a huge, immobile gangster, and it worked. I hated that they had to put him in just because they could.
what a cute giant worm, ah the jabba the hutt!
mountainhikerfive 2 months ago
Getting off the topic of pretty much every comment under this, I really love Jabba's voice in this clip, its so booming and bellowing, a very intimidating voice. Unlike in ROTJ where he sounded like scraping metal on thick sandpaper.
TheInvisibleManz 5 months ago
If I was supervising a restoration project of the original trilogy, I'd cut this scene out and leave it as a special feature. In addition, I'd remove all the unnecessary CGI, remove all references to Greedo firing at all, have Sebastian Shaw reprise his role as ghost Anakin, and some other things.
George Lucas, if other filmmakers did what you keep doing to the original trilogy, maybe you'd have a point about films not being finished. But that isn't the case, so leave well enough alone.
tolchok89 5 months ago
Even re-done, CGI Jabba is still WAY too small.
And the articulated mouth bothers me to no end. At least with CGI Yoda they TRIED to capture the essence of the original puppet.
RickLowerboy84 5 months ago
It's funny how close Han gets to Jabba as though he's stroking him.
palpatine17 5 months ago
Instead of doing the goofy "walking over Jabba's tail" effect I always wondered why they didn't just splice in a scene switch similar to what they did with Chewy at 0:38 - 0:42.
For example at 0:46 they could have switched to a close up Bobba Fett, with Han's audio still playing, then switched back to the original scene at 0:51
Obreck2 6 months ago
This whole scene is a mess. Why do we need another scene that repeats the dialogue of the Greedo scene? Notice how Han calls Jabba "A Wonderful Human being" as Jabba was originally going to be a Human. Replacing the actor with a CG Jabba was a bad idea as he looks nothing like Jabba in RotJ. But the worst problem of all has to be the awful tail tread 0:48 as it's just so badly done.
Adding this scene was a huge mistake, what were you thinking George Lucas?
RocketeerRaccoon 6 months ago
@RocketeerRaccoon well I agree the scene was redundant but it was cool to see Jabba again and the scene was a classic sitting on the cutting room floor for decades. I always took Han calling Jabba a "wonderful human being" kinda like a slight jab or even a playfulness like how you relate to things sorta like talking to your cat or dog and calling them a good "boy".
darklighter1 6 months ago
@darklighter1 True what you mean by calling animals "a person".
RocketeerRaccoon 6 months ago
Now it makes sense why he said "wonderful human being".. because Jabba was originally a human and George Lucas makes bad decisions.
chenology 7 months ago
does anyone know if these movies have been released on DVD without all this
re-edited crap!?!
REKONBALL2 7 months ago
@REKONBALL2
star wars definitive edition dvd
mrtea180 5 months ago
that's jabba's slim fat brother named bob.
Simha333 7 months ago
This scene is terrible. Not just because it repeats info and dialogue from the scene with Greedo, but CGI Jabba is unconvincing.
GBev2K 8 months ago
Boba's like "sup" at the end haha
DarthAnspor 8 months ago
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1:27 Boba Fett:)
Suport7000 9 months ago
1:26 boba Fett:)
Suport7000 9 months ago
Folks... Look, I have no choice. I have got to pay Jabba the hut. Lol :-D
dmana3172 10 months ago
All you did to jabba's voice was echo it.
zachzilla26 10 months ago
Man, jabba's really generous in this scene. Usually he has a bad temper, in here he's as nice as santa.
FAT PEOPLE REALLY ARE JOLLY!!!!
Or, maybe not. Jabba's just letting solo walk on him, like a carpet. The REAL jabba would of killed him by rancor, for what he's doing.
zachzilla26 10 months ago
@zachzilla26 Very true, I think it's because Jabba really liked Han, but by the time of Empire Strikes Back his patience with him completely ran out
CrazyGamerDragon64 10 months ago
i would have preferred it if declan mulholland's original scene was in the film. he 's so much better and he has way more dialogue than the actual jabba
johnnythefootymaniac 11 months ago
Love how they did this scene the first time round with the old Jabba, though I think they should have stayed along the lines of keeping his design that way. Why not make a huge puppet like they did for the third film and cut it in that way, stay true to the trilogy.
Only great thing about this scene is how they incorporated Boba Fett. His presence is just intimidating.
SgtAces707 11 months ago
this scene shouldve always stayed deleted
jabba's meant to be this huge crime boss who sends his underlings, like Greedo, to do the dirty work
but in this scene, Han treats Jabba like his bitch or something
add to this, the fact that everytime the movies are re-released they have to upgrade the CGI on Jabba
bigswano 11 months ago
"Jabba, you're a wonderful human being" LOL
Alxe73191 1 year ago
It would have been easier for Han to start walking around Jabba - cut to a shot of Boba Fett looking at them and taking in the conversation - then cut back to Han on the other side of Jabba.
Still like the scene as it put Boba Fett in ANH! ^_^
SamusDrake 1 year ago
@SamusDrake I'm giggling like a schoolgirl.
SgtAces707 11 months ago
at 0:51 jabba looks mad, like he's about to punch han. thats what he gets for stepping on his tail.
zachzilla26 1 year ago
I don't see what's so crappy about the tail walking.
eateroftheflame 1 year ago
@eateroftheflame Think about it. Instead of walking infront of him, han walks on his tail, for no reason. and Jabba just lets him get away with it. His guards let him get away. Plus the digital effect on the image of han looks almost half as bad as itn did in the cantina with greedo. Also jabba reaction sucks. Actually it's scary. It scared me as a kid when I saw this scene, that loud yell he makes. It still scares me to this day.
zachzilla26 1 year ago
what's wrong with the effect of Han Solo walking over Jabba's tail?
i dont see any errors...
aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa 1 year ago
Jabba sounds like the mummy from Mummy
sjpc33 1 year ago
when watching SW as a kid, i didn't notice the crappy walk over jabbas tail.... but now.. i do...
only now i've seen the original with the fat irish jabba.... lol... appeared so awkward to me!
sexbomb10 1 year ago
Nice work. It's a shame that they couldn't get all these minor details right the first.... Err.. 2nd and 3rd time around.
Thumbs up. I didn't mind Jabba being re-inserted in the Original star wars, but they needed to do it right. Remove the walking on the Tail and fix the voice. That's all that needed to be done.
archangel703 1 year ago
I love how you so called ''star wars fans'' go all apeshit about this scene.
RickyPrescott 1 year ago 2
And Boba is like, "Yeah, that's right. I'm cool. So cool, I made them put me in the revision. Yep, that's right."
DarthStar501st 1 year ago
looks so fake doesn't it?
kingaker 1 year ago
Sound great. A slightly better mix.
jayce79 1 year ago
'whats up, im boba fett'
Liekkek 1 year ago
I didn't think Jabba was capable to move that much.
A2Z83 1 year ago 3
I guess han solo learned how to levitate sometime in the 90's
TheTurboChampion 1 year ago
When Lucasfilm released Star Wars on DVD in 2004, ILM tried to make Jabba look more like the one from ROTJ, but they failed miserably. Jabba's arms and backside were never that dark.. It looks like has a really bad sunburn.
mfiorell 1 year ago
They had to do the cheesy edit of this, because they changed Jabba to a Hutt halfway through. The original scene had Jabba as a human. The bit with the tail was hastily edited in because in the original, Han walks around Jabba. Otherwise, it makes no sense, why would a ruthless crime lord let Han be so disrespectful to him?
Etimos 1 year ago
This looks a lot better
nyhilusofborg 1 year ago
theres an error editing. chewy is inconsistent. watch :36 - :40
WarioLoaf2D 1 year ago
the bit where he treads on his tail. Lucas never heard of a cutaway?
deccyg1 1 year ago
jabba isnt a human being
macoport1 1 year ago
@macoport1 Originally this scene had Jabba as a human. They deleted it & in ROTJ he was a fat ass slug thingy. I guess now it's just a joke.
DarthJones55 1 year ago
канифольная сцена. джаба резиновый лошок
ta4man 1 year ago
han would never tell Jaba "Dont push it" 1:03
monkeydbz12 1 year ago
Great job, Jabba sounds much more menacing like in the third movie, notice I called Return of the Jedi third instead of sixth. Nothing can beat the orginal trilogy with its original special effects and the way it was originally edited.
desotowrong 2 years ago 32
Glad to see another person with the same attitude!!!
LifeJuice90 2 years ago
Yeah. Especialy since I had the joy of watching these in the mid-nineties. I'm glad to find kids today who like the originals better. The first prequel was bland, the next one was too talky and romantic, but the last one was surprisingly really good and rewarded us for sitting through the first two. I believe Mozart said you can't change something that's perfect, words of wisdom that George Lucas should listen to.
desotowrong 2 years ago
@desotowrong You have my vote!
SgtAces707 11 months ago
God, George Lucas' CGI is SO DATED IT'S absurd!
The shadowing is AWFUL!
But I guess George can never admit it's bad, so the CGI will be this way FOREVER!
Maybe George's children will fix this and finally release the Holiday Special!
(good job trying to lower voice though, LifeJuice90!)
MiKikaIwaShizaru 2 years ago 2
I agree 100% with you, and I thank you for the compliment. The only way for it to sound like Return Of The Jedi Jabba, is to find the guy who did his voice in 1983. Or try to get someone who can do a better job.
LifeJuice90 2 years ago
@MiKikaIwaShizaru I think it looks quite good..
Hermoor 1 year ago
@Hermoor
I think that there is some sort of psychological curve to CGI, because if I go back and watch an old movie with CGI (1997's Air Force One, for example) it looks like cheap CGI. I think the human brain has somehow adapted to the effect and expects something even more photorealistic.
IMHO, Jabba doesn't really look like he's "there", he looks like he's pasted on the picture and he doesn't move right, so the CGI effect doesn't convince in my brain.
MiKikaIwaShizaru 1 year ago
@MiKikaIwaShizaru That is what I thought about Avatar. The first thing I said is "how is this gonna look in 10 years?" Jurassic Park has held up well, because CGI was used as sparingly as possible. Most shots were with fast motion and they used puppets for a lot of shots. So CGI was more slide of hand. Yeah, it is more noticeable now because (as you said) we have adapted to better visuals since then. But for CGI it sure lasted a long time in my eyes.
LifeJuice90 1 year ago
@LifeJuice90 I agree with you about Jurassic Park, that was well-done for the early 90s! I have seen recent movies with CGI that look AWFUL, and look how old Jurassic Park is! I have rewatched that in the past year, the CGI of the Dinosaur chasing the jeep still looks real! I recently watched a movie called Whiteout, and the opening sequence was poor CGI (a 1950's Soviet plane in a snowstorm/arctic) that completely ruined the movie for me!
If it LOOKS like CGI then the animators have failed!
MiKikaIwaShizaru 1 year ago
@MiKikaIwaShizaru
I think you're reffering to something called "The Uncanny Valley". Google it. It's quite interesting :)
MagicAccent 1 year ago
@MagicAccent Oh yes, I did a little research back in the hey days of programs like Blender. I always knew CGI looked fake, and it explained why. Traditional animation doesn't suffer as badly as CGI, because it isn't trying to look real. CGI has always had a problem with eyes, and no matter how perfect we do them, the eyes give every thing away. I like CGI for machines, but for humanoids and things similar, it just doesn't work.
LifeJuice90 1 year ago
@LifeJuice90
Watch Avatar. Maybe your theory about eyes will change.
Jammed9000 1 year ago
@Jammed9000
I saw Avatar, the way James Cameron intended it to be seen, and it still feels cartoony. The backgrounds were breathtaking, but the characters just felt to plastic. Plus the models were carefully made by the mapping of the actors faces. In the end it was more of a cheat than pure CGI magic.
LifeJuice90 1 year ago
@LifeJuice90
I just have to disagree. I have not seen better CGI in humanoid characters before. I am a HUGE cgi buff and can tell the difference very easily and can see all the trickery and errors in the images, but Avatar's effects are just amazing. There are many shots where I just have to pause and study it because it just looks SO REAL.
Jammed9000 1 year ago
Wow, I hadn't realized how different he sounded from his RotJ appearence!
PromusKaa 2 years ago
When you discuss Fan-editing all day, you notice more than you want. I never thought I would watch ESB and scratch my head at mistakes.
LifeJuice90 2 years ago
it's interesting how poorly Solo's walk over the tail of Jabba was done.. :D
mott1s 2 years ago 38
@mott1s I still can't get over the fact how for all the hyperbole Lucasfilm spewed over the Special Editions, that they never fixed the continuity error of Hans waistcoat in the Carbon Freezing Chamber scene in Empire! It always bugged me, and I couldn't believe they'd overlooked it yet again!
fanguk2 7 months ago
@mott1s They didn't need to show that walk over the tail at all, they could have shot a new close-up 'cut-away' of Fett looking at them while Han changes position to get over the move without the need to show it or if they really wanted to spend money on it mock up a new wide-shot from above the hangar so we can't see their faces and use stand-ins.
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@mott1s plus why would he step on his tail? it's fucking Jabba, the mafia boss who can have him killed at a whim. It makes no sense. Just as it makes no sense that Greedo shot first. Why would he miss? Why would he shoot at all, when he was going to deliver him to Jabba? This stuff is the product of a sick mind. The changes are monstrous.
topperheartramada 2 months ago
the whole scene really bugs me
adjusttint 2 years ago 3
I have a subwoofer for my computer's sound system, and Jabba's voice has WAAAAAY TOO MUCH BASS -- my whole frickin house started shaking when i played this edit of yours
SpunkySkunk347 2 years ago
Great job on Jabba's voice. This does sound much closer to RotJ. However, the music doesn't work. It just doesn't sound like Star Wars, and it gives the scene an almost whimsical feel.
repsesper 2 years ago 3
It's Jabba The Hutt's theme from Return Of The Jedi.
LifeJuice90 2 years ago
No kidding? Still, I don't think its mood fits this scene. No big deal really, the point of the video was to make Jabba's voice sound better. You would think that when Han stepped on Jabba's tail he would have gotten really pissed off.
repsesper 2 years ago
wouldnt itbe easier just use sound clips of jabba? the only thing i could see being a problem is that huttese is a real language (not in real life but in the movie)
FishfilmsInc 2 years ago
this is the second remake right?
nightcrow90 2 years ago
Nope, this is my first edit that I did months ago.
LifeJuice90 2 years ago
yea but i ment how "JABBA" was animated xD
on my VHS recut he hadnt this quality on the CGI.
nightcrow90 2 years ago
Oh, in 2004 they released the DVD with more changes. We at originaltrilogy . com call the VHS, the 97 Special Edition and the DVD, the 04 DVD.
LifeJuice90 2 years ago
Yea "the 97 special editions" ending in episode 6 is better then the 2004. Changing ghost..wtf?
nightcrow90 2 years ago
I would still love to see the original theatrical versions in at least DVD quality. Instead George Lucas stuck Laserdisc transfers from 93 as bonus discs in the 2006 set.
LifeJuice90 2 years ago
yea me2. Blue-ray quality ^^
nightcrow90 2 years ago
Where are the subtitles?
cometandcupids 2 years ago
Who needs subtitles? I have seen this horrible scene enough to not need subtitles. I apologize for the lack of subtitles, but this scene was intended to show the change in audio, not the best example but it can be seen as an improvement. Adywan did the smart thing and removed this scene altogether.
LifeJuice90 2 years ago
this looks so bad, they should've just left this scene out alltogether
kingaker 2 years ago
I agree, Jabba shouldn't have been moving around. I think they should have left him out of every movie but ROTJ. In Jedi, he was revealed as a huge, immobile gangster, and it worked. I hated that they had to put him in just because they could.
LifeJuice90 2 years ago 2
It sounds pretty good. Now if only he moved slower!
RAVENCRYDARKSTAR 2 years ago 3
A-Mazing!
FishfilmsInc 2 years ago
Thanks fishmanlee!!!!!!!!!!!
LifeJuice90 2 years ago
Whoa! That's awesome! He sounds just like himself in ROTJ
startanica 2 years ago
Thanks. I just wish the reverb wasn't so bad.
LifeJuice90 2 years ago
waw thats amazing !!!
gronktyst 2 years ago
Ah, now he sounds much better! Awesome!!
akiracon 2 years ago
Thanks. Its still not as good as it could be. If I had a microphone good enough I would re do the voice and edit it that way.
LifeJuice90 2 years ago