I'm responding to your video with my rendition of this great piece, which can be improved if necessary. Anyone who wants to see it can simply search for "Super1NYC partner" without the quotes.
I'd love it if Zimerman has ever read any of the comments as they are awesome but appreciative. I just love the fact that he is completely into the music - he's not just playing technically he's feeling the motion of the piece and that is far more important to me in music. Also his facial expressions are second to none. I bet he's a badass in real life!
At the beginning, Zimerman disconnects the melody because he keeps RAISING HIS RIGHT HAND. I do not know what he is thinking there. Later, the chords in the right hand at 5:10 are supposed to be played *mysteriously* quiet with no peddle to create a kind of call-and-response coloration. Zimerman just stampedes through them like an elephant.
I know some of you think Zimerman is the "greatest pianist evar". But honestly, Shura Cherkassky's performance of this piece is 10X better.
I don't see any "myteriously" in the score... not even a change of dynamic, (coming from forte). At the beginning there are pauses and no pedal marking, and no real legato phrasing except for small slurs... There's an Interview where he complaints about critics who don't study the music... but study the recordings..... greetings.
@Tsotne16 this is not chopped at all. THIS PERFORMANCE COULD GO AMONG SOME OF THE GREATS LIKE REUBENSTEIN: NOTE PERFECT AND MUSICAL. ITS EVEN GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE VAN CLIBURN COMPETITION!! NOT TO MENTION, IT WAS ZIMERMAN THAT WON THE HUGE CHOPIN COMPETITION WHEN HE WAS LIKE 17! Ive not heard this peice done so well like this in such a long time. if by "chopped" u mean cut in half, then u can find the other 1/2 of the vid on sissco's channel. zimerman is quite good in his own way... ur chopped
@drcmaysV2 First of all, it's Rubinstein, not Reubenstein. Second of all, listen to Solomon's version, you'll change your mind. Third and most important of all: Avdeeva also won Huge Chopin Competition quite recently. so what?
@Tsotne16 okay ive listend to solomons version and id like to apologize ...for you being an idiot.this isnt chopped in any way and solomons versions sounds almost the same(considering that zimmerman is better) and who cares about avdeeva when we're talking about zimmerman and your prcious little solomon
"lokk at the ridicioulus hair- he looks like justin bieber. hahah'
What!? Please, for the sake of all that is good and holy in the world, don't EVER compare a world-class pianist saint like Zimmerman to the mass-produced musical ick that is Justin Bieber!
I havea fantasy that he heard on the CD, I play this CD when compared to the soft sound head on. It is a very honest and naturally playing with his play. It begins at measure 119th Lento sostenuto is J.S.Bach's chorale as beautiful. It begins at measure 243th of the motif is exacty what he and Copin's dramatic, it is yet crystal clear sound. It is the sound of his play the last chord cadence is still. this is a pianist and the other is to experience beauty.
I'm no musical theorist but the best bit of this is how he evokes so much feeling and emotion into each note. It's one thing being able to play it but I'm always more impressed by someone who can get a sense of meaning and emotion from the music. It's almost like the music is playing him and his energy constantly shifts to suit the mood. You can see he is in a completely different world. An amazing player.
It is such a pity Chopin lived only 39 years. I always wonder how many other great ballades, fantasies, concertos, sonatas he would had composed if he lived a normal life span.
@1133686712 Maybe if he had all the time in the world Chopin wouldnt have been a great composer. Time constraints drive creativity; I think of it as 39 years of brilliant white heat.
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asianwhite wasn't insulting chopin. he was being pretty vulgar, but he pretty much said "chopin is freakin awesome, people shouldn't disrespect him for writing only for the piano. still, woulda been nice to have a symphony from him"
still pretty inappropriate to be so vulgar on this page, but he wasn't insulting chopin.
asianwhitenigger is a frustrated musician if he is good musician that if it is less reason entitled to speak well of chopin's, just a ignorant idiot son of a bitch
you know nothing about music, Chopin is the god of the piano and you dare to offend you so? You never write anything that he composed the shit you is not that he stay in the shoe to Chopin, he never wanted to write symphonies and violin sonatas that no attention was called nothing more than the piano, you're a damn son of a bitch
@asianwhitenigger well actually this is to people who thumbs down him. why are you thumbs downing him? he was just aying chopin is awesome. but in a vulgar way. and he said people should NOT disrespect him
Quite agree - you clearly do not understand the artistic temperament. Anyone with hair like that is bound to be a great pianist - they just can't help it.
One of Chopin's greatest compositions, IMO, and while I usually admire Mr. Zimerman's playing I take strong exception here to his pregnant pauses before beats and his effete phrasing and articulation. Give me Michelangeli or Rubinstein in this music any day; both are masculine in their approach, which serves the music better IMO.
Obviously they are in the same setting but are all these chopin pieces (the ballades, the bacarrole etc) all on a single DVD? Cos that'd be so worth getting. Does anyone know if that's the case? thanks :)
It is quite weird discussion. Even Sviatoslav Richter pointed out that it's not only about music, theatrical performance enhances the attendee's experience through out the recital greatly.
However I wouldn't say that Zimerman is faking his gestures. The man really enjoys playing - you can see emotions raging when you look at his face.
@organman52 : When you talk about unnecessary gestures, I agree, they don't anything to the music. I also prefer Horowitz's gestures : none. We listen with our ears, not with our eyes, so stop moving like a pianist caricature. However, I figured out, after playing piano for many years, that some of these gestures are involuntary. It's a bit like dancing, or tapping the beat with your feet. You let yourself do it and you don't spend extra energy concentrating on not doing it.
@17182559 I'm of the school that onced I learned how to play this stuff, I'll make whatever hand gestures or face grimaces I'd like - who cares? It's called a performance for a reason - it's a show. Personally, I'll take flamboyance over boring any day.
Chopin is Chopin, Rachmaninoff is Rachmaninoff. If you want to hear Rachmaninoff's desperation and darkness in Chopin's compositions, then try listening to the music without turning on the your music player.
well then there, i'm not going to get in the middle of all those angry comments down there, so i won't......music salright by me....ps organman i believe that if you can't play the piece, idk if u can or can't, u have no room to comment negatively, or positivly, so eh......i back mr.gothic on this one
If one were to calculate the mileage that this man's hands travel up and down between playing the actual notes, there would probably be enough to circumnavigate the earth - at least once. Playing the piano does not require this extraneous motion.
Jeez, if that's the best in you, I'd hate to see the worst in you.
YouTube doesn't require this extraneous idiot arguing about ONE NOTE in a thirteen-minute long piece. Dude, how long has this been going on? It's one note. Get another performance, listen to it, forget about this.
No one cares about how pianists move their hands. They care about the quality of the performance.
I mean, the unbelievable part is that someone would actually say something like "he moves his hands too much." Go to a Zimerman concert and say it to his face or write a column in the newspaper about it. Just see what kind of reaction you get.
No one? Wrong. I care. Why? Because I know what it takes to play the piano - and what it DOESN'T take - namely, extraneous gestures which are nothing more than showmanship, in other words, 'look everybody, see how wonderful I am'. Extraneous gestures are a sure sign of egomania.
Better? What is that supposed to mean? All you simple minded individuals ever do is compare one performer to another. Does this illuminate you? And isn't 'measuring' one's ability objective? For example, I have often read the review of a concert that I attended, only to feel that the reviewer and I were at different concerts. Regarding Zimerman's playing - my [original] comment had to do with the very first note - which he plays staccato.
Question: do you care one bit about Chopin's music?
Oh, I'm not upset. You're the one who seems more upset. Really, I think you should stop coming back here. Since that one note seems to irritate you so much, perhaps you should consider not listening it to it? It might just make you a less grumpy person =)
It is certainly not 'that one note' that is the issue here. It is the unwillingness - and inability - for most commenters on youtube to engage in a constructive conversation about such things as style, structure and most of all LISTENING. Changing other people's views is not my mission. My mission is to honor the master composers.
Everyone listens and relates to music in such a personal way that it all comes down to a matter of taste and emotional connection in the end. Any performance that is sincere and emotionally compelling is good enough for me, and for a lot of people. To want us to appreciate fewer, instead of more, of these great artists for any reason seems strange indeed.
I may have found a man in a similar pursuit as your's, only, it's towards Franz Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 -- particularly the "Prestissimo" ending.
His name is Richard Kastle. Google search his name, and check the 1st link.
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Why don't all you geniuses devise a list - all of Chopin's masterpieces in order of 'difficulty'. It's all you seem to care about. Go ahead - have fun.
Since reading scores and manuscripts is very much your "profession", you made a huge blunder here by not admitting and not knowing that Chopin notated the first f staccato in the autograph. It is YOU who is the idiot here and you should thank US for giving you this new insight.
Oh yes - PLEASE - keep teaching me new things. And for your information, I am equally capable at the piano, the harpsichord AND the organ. But why should you believe a word I say? Go ahead - enjoy your first staccato note. In fact, why don't you get a sledge hammer?
Please, do record some of your Chopin playing (preferably on a piano), that will give us an impression how to play without showing off, without mannerisms, exactly according to the score and the wishes of the composer...it will make that hideous Zimerman quite unnecessary, I'm sure!
You are pathetic. And as regards your inane remark 'preferably on a piano' - name a SINGLE work by Chopin that is played WITHOUT the piano. Unless, of course, you were under the gross misconception that Chopin can be played on the organ or the harpsichord. Now THAT would be really pathetic.
I invite you to get lost, but I'm sure you won't take me up on the invitation. Individuals such as you THRIVE on hate and jealousy.
Not only are you arrogant, conceited and ill-informed, you also have no sense of humour at all (my remark "preferably on a piano" was a joke to respond to your great "all round" qualities) - in short you have *nothing* to offer except cheap insults.
"Individuals such as you THRIVE on hate and jealousy." = a good diagnosis of your dear self...
And I hasten to add that, with your remark 'Yes, why SHOULD I believe you', I hardly construed anything else you said as a 'joke'. The only joke is you. And you're not funny.
Again, I have no reasons to believe you...why should I believe an anonymous guy, clearly on medication? To me, you're just one of many YouTube morons whose only contribution is spouting platitudes and slating pianists out of personal frustration...don't get me wrong, it has a certain entertaining value, and it's always good for a few laughs...;-) So yes, maybe you are funnier than me!
Really. Just fuck off now, organman. No one likes you. If you want to shit all over the internet, please go set up your own website where you can wallow in your own pool of mud. Don't pollute the common space.
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I am not 'here' to win a popularity contest. And for your information, I already do have my own website[s] and blogs - none of which the likes of you will ever be privy to. My purpose 'here' is simply to state facts as I see them. If you don't like it, then YOU get lost. Have a wonderful life wallowing in your own mediocrity and superficiality.
Let the world know: not only did Mademoiselle Boulanger never tell me that you (whoever you are) are a complete idiot, but I never had the pleasure of meeting her. There - that's a load off my conscience! You know, organism, despite our rocky start, I sense in you a kindred spirit, and I believe we could actually be good friends. Why don't we delete the past, give each other a friendly peck on the cheek, and begin all over, as friends. What do you say?
Organmadman should be very glad with such a generous gesture...I have the feeling that he could use a good friend...the poor fellow has so many valuable things to say ;-)
By the way, and truly in conclusion (and to reclaim my naturally civil nature), I do agree with you on one point you made: While I have been referring to the 1st 10 notes, I do recognize C's use of the descending 4th in establishing *some* sections, though hardly playing a major role in the ensuing music. Yet as the main question here is the staccato, I would point out that the 1st note of the descending 4th in the Eb, and later Ab chordal march sections is a clear, strong staccato!
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I have two comments to all of your utter crap: 1] I do not communicate or associate in any way with LIARS and 2] go ahead a play the opening note [if you CAN] as short as you wish. It won't matter. Until such time as you publicly apologize for asserting that Nadia told YOU that I am a complete idiot, you can go back to your 'civil' nature and F*^% yourself.
By the way, a pianist-friend has suggested that the use of a bit more pedal on the note in question, to elide it more closely with the C, might give voice to Chopin's intentions more accurately than the dry effect produced by Zimerman.
And... if you hear the theme all through the rest of the piece, I congratulate you on a most fertile imagination! I leave you now to the empty caverns of your mind. I can hear the winds howling - "wooooooo.....".
Even if every subsequent page of the Fantaisie had the theme with the first 2 notes legato repeated 10 times, it would not overrule Chopin's staccato in the opening bar. Genius is not bound by rigid , compartmentalized rules of "consistency". The fact is, Chopin could think and create in a way you cannot fathom. That is why he is the genius, and you, well.... farewell!
Just before cut time, the first 2 notes are extracted and indicated as legato, but not as part of the theme, which is my point. Also, consideration must be given to the fact that the staccato occurs on the very first note of the piece, but this may require the kind of subtle understanding of which you seem to be incapable.Having said this, let me point out that it ultimately means nothing in relation to the original question: "could Chopin have possibly written the first note staccato?">>>
Let me clarify what may have been a poor choice of words. When I refer to the "motive", it should have been clear that I meant the opening 10 notes of the piece, not a descending 4th. "Theme" may be a better choice, though it is only the first half. Chopin states the theme only once in its original form. In his original, the first note is staccato. It is never, in any later "iteration" of this theme (only p.1) specifically indicated legato. The theme completely disappears after page 1.>>>
" Anyone who knows Chopin's autographs knows that he was very careful to obliterate anything he didn't want."
That' s precisely why that carefully notated first f with a staccato sign above it in the autograph should be taken seriously, as Chopin didn't notate something that he didn't intend!
Really, I am very happy for you that you had some lessons with mam'selle Boulanger (like the hundreds of other students she taught in her long life, as teaching was Boulanger's daily *brea
hes hair is a little funny yes :D
king32123213 1 week ago
can we stop talking about his hair and just pay attention to the magnificent piece he's playing?
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emmanytube 4 months ago
I have been believing A. Rubinstein delivered the best of this piece before I see this one!
juanbenyjuanbeny 4 months ago
I'm responding to your video with my rendition of this great piece, which can be improved if necessary. Anyone who wants to see it can simply search for "Super1NYC partner" without the quotes.
Super1NYC 4 months ago
He is one of the three musketeers!!!!
TheGreatPerahia 5 months ago 2
his left foot is all over the place and is irritating you can hear it shuffling on the floor!! but the performance is first class.
TheGreatPerahia 5 months ago
I'd love it if Zimerman has ever read any of the comments as they are awesome but appreciative. I just love the fact that he is completely into the music - he's not just playing technically he's feeling the motion of the piece and that is far more important to me in music. Also his facial expressions are second to none. I bet he's a badass in real life!
churchy99 6 months ago
nevermind - didn't see the part two
TheGreatGoolash 7 months ago
aww where's the rest of the piece :(
TheGreatGoolash 7 months ago
@TheGreatGoolash Isn't it in the suggestions bar?
whneo97 5 months ago
i like his hair :P : )
Antox14161416 7 months ago
1:39 sounds slightly like the revolutionary etude
VanargrandsEnd 7 months ago
His hair is more like the mane of a beastly lion of piano greatness
danimal24585 7 months ago
Just close your eyes, and let the music take your heart.
AngaratoC 7 months ago
Finally -- a pianist whose eyebrows understand the wild emotions of Chopin.
Gottschalk124 9 months ago 5
At the beginning, Zimerman disconnects the melody because he keeps RAISING HIS RIGHT HAND. I do not know what he is thinking there. Later, the chords in the right hand at 5:10 are supposed to be played *mysteriously* quiet with no peddle to create a kind of call-and-response coloration. Zimerman just stampedes through them like an elephant.
I know some of you think Zimerman is the "greatest pianist evar". But honestly, Shura Cherkassky's performance of this piece is 10X better.
otonanoC 9 months ago
@otonanoC post a video of his performance. i would like to hear it.
deadly990 9 months ago
@otonanoC
I don't see any "myteriously" in the score... not even a change of dynamic, (coming from forte). At the beginning there are pauses and no pedal marking, and no real legato phrasing except for small slurs... There's an Interview where he complaints about critics who don't study the music... but study the recordings..... greetings.
danorq 7 months ago
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hansonian81 9 months ago
@hansonian81 i agree they are difficult, but where are they in this video?
snuffypoo 9 months ago
@snuffypoo srry, wrong video.. meant to comment on barcarolle.
hansonian81 9 months ago
I feel like just a little bald spot would make him look like Shakespeare... :P
gigirox18 10 months ago
full of falsetto and maudlin playing
freeqwerqwer 10 months ago
Best performance.
MaslAlek 1 year ago
it's kinda chopped...
Tsotne16 1 year ago
@Tsotne16 ur chopped...
drcmaysV2 11 months ago
@drcmaysV2 and that's the best argument u could come up with
lol
Tsotne16 11 months ago
@Tsotne16 this is not chopped at all. THIS PERFORMANCE COULD GO AMONG SOME OF THE GREATS LIKE REUBENSTEIN: NOTE PERFECT AND MUSICAL. ITS EVEN GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE VAN CLIBURN COMPETITION!! NOT TO MENTION, IT WAS ZIMERMAN THAT WON THE HUGE CHOPIN COMPETITION WHEN HE WAS LIKE 17! Ive not heard this peice done so well like this in such a long time. if by "chopped" u mean cut in half, then u can find the other 1/2 of the vid on sissco's channel. zimerman is quite good in his own way... ur chopped
drcmaysV2 10 months ago
@drcmaysV2 First of all, it's Rubinstein, not Reubenstein. Second of all, listen to Solomon's version, you'll change your mind. Third and most important of all: Avdeeva also won Huge Chopin Competition quite recently. so what?
Tsotne16 10 months ago
@Tsotne16 okay ive listend to solomons version and id like to apologize ...for you being an idiot.this isnt chopped in any way and solomons versions sounds almost the same(considering that zimmerman is better) and who cares about avdeeva when we're talking about zimmerman and your prcious little solomon
ttslipknotrulez132 10 months ago
@ttslipknotrulez132
you're dumb
Tsotne16 10 months ago
@ttslipknotrulez132 I know this piece, punk. I've played it.
lolz
Tsotne16 10 months ago
@drcmaysV2 CAPS MAKES IT TRUE!!! GRRRRRRAGE!!!
ralfjacobs 10 months ago
@ralfjacobs well atleast u agree with me lol
drcmaysV2 10 months ago
haha his hair has some volume there XD
konnichiwa999 1 year ago
quesqu'il peut y avoir comme commentaires ridicules à propos des cheveux de Zim....on s'en fout !!!
MrConcepto 1 year ago
"lokk at the ridicioulus hair- he looks like justin bieber. hahah'
What!? Please, for the sake of all that is good and holy in the world, don't EVER compare a world-class pianist saint like Zimmerman to the mass-produced musical ick that is Justin Bieber!
breathlesscessation 1 year ago 19
@callasnuts
Yes, Zimerman does...
NjallPiano 1 year ago 2
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lokk at the ridicioulus hair- he looks like justin bieber. hahah
sexyLASTninja 1 year ago
@sexyLASTninja justin bieber is the personification of musical degredation.
lambgp 1 year ago 4
Nobody nobody nobody nobody beats Michelangeli!
callasnuts 1 year ago
I havea fantasy that he heard on the CD, I play this CD when compared to the soft sound head on. It is a very honest and naturally playing with his play. It begins at measure 119th Lento sostenuto is J.S.Bach's chorale as beautiful. It begins at measure 243th of the motif is exacty what he and Copin's dramatic, it is yet crystal clear sound. It is the sound of his play the last chord cadence is still. this is a pianist and the other is to experience beauty.
pianofortegermany 1 year ago
This is perfection - both composer and pianist
TheTanpopo2 1 year ago 3
@Isbrother: This is 1980's!! You were probably not alive yet...
youququq 1 year ago
Wonderful, and one of the very best pianists/musicians who plays the first note correctly.
vivienmerchant 1 year ago
齊瑪曼實為蕭邦大師!
op66kimo 1 year ago
I love this piece ;] i love 4.25 to 5.00 - i wanna cry because its so beauty and 5.56 to 6.15- great !!! ahh LOVE CHOPIN ;]
pulpiasso 1 year ago
この曲の最高のパフォーマンスです。
munejun0822 1 year ago
I'm no musical theorist but the best bit of this is how he evokes so much feeling and emotion into each note. It's one thing being able to play it but I'm always more impressed by someone who can get a sense of meaning and emotion from the music. It's almost like the music is playing him and his energy constantly shifts to suit the mood. You can see he is in a completely different world. An amazing player.
churchy99 1 year ago
MY FAVORITE!! I LOVE HIM~!!!
blackbird721 1 year ago
he's Litterally making love to his piano, and to our ears.
Chogasm.
Panterhead 1 year ago
Fantastico. Complimenti. Non ho commenti.
chopin6630k 1 year ago
My 3rd favorite Chopin piece! played wonderfully. bravo
werq34ac 1 year ago
@werq34ac what's the first and what's the second?
i'm very curious
sissichopin91 1 year ago
It is such a pity Chopin lived only 39 years. I always wonder how many other great ballades, fantasies, concertos, sonatas he would had composed if he lived a normal life span.
1133686712 1 year ago 5
@1133686712
you are right. Chopin is a fantastic genius.
ilovescarlatti 1 year ago
@1133686712 Maybe if he had all the time in the world Chopin wouldnt have been a great composer. Time constraints drive creativity; I think of it as 39 years of brilliant white heat.
MrTootler 1 year ago
the difference in views from the first and second part really suprise me!
this piece is absloutely amazing and performed astoundingly by Zimerman :)
Chopin FTW!!
snuffypoo 1 year ago 5
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jefaistralala 1 year ago 3
There's a bunch of Zimmerman videos on youtube which are all from the same performance - anyone know where/when it was?
miksid 1 year ago 2
@miksid They're from a DVD - Krystian Zimerman: Chopin/Schubert. It's on Amazon.
Haeronthegreat 1 year ago
@miksid In1987, Rosenhügel Studio, Vienna.
chopin7tristesse 1 year ago
есть чему подражать
grigorserg2005 1 year ago
He is absolutely wonderful, just makes the piano talk....
I love him.
erickalk 1 year ago
best chopin fantasie. zimmerman kicks this piece's ass
mikejr41387 1 year ago
4:20 being that fucking good should be ILLEGAL. that's definitely my new favoritest scale passage in the world.
fledgehog 1 year ago
Chopin's greatest composition
sokkaperri 1 year ago 4
sclyfes1212 i love chopin !!!!
d4ni3lschi4v0 2 years ago
Che uomo. E che stile!
IsySkizzy 2 years ago
asianwhite wasn't insulting chopin. he was being pretty vulgar, but he pretty much said "chopin is freakin awesome, people shouldn't disrespect him for writing only for the piano. still, woulda been nice to have a symphony from him"
still pretty inappropriate to be so vulgar on this page, but he wasn't insulting chopin.
hcpiano1 2 years ago 4
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hcpiano1
thanks a lot buddy, at least not everyone is a fucking birdbrain that couldnt understand that.
ppl are leaving fucking messages on my page saying i hate chopin.....?!!? hes pretty much my favorite composer.....fucking crackheads
asianwhitenigger 2 years ago
All that doesn't change the fact you're a fucking dumbass.
demosj 2 years ago
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youre a fucking clown man.
you dont even know what the fuck is going on
LOSER
asianwhitenigger 2 years ago
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And you're an asianwhitenigger.
demosj 2 years ago
@hcpiano1 Chopin also wrote 2 Piano Concertos. But still, his passion lay on the magic of the piano keys.
sclyfes1212 2 years ago 3
asianwhitenigger is a frustrated musician if he is good musician that if it is less reason entitled to speak well of chopin's, just a ignorant idiot son of a bitch
d4ni3lschi4v0 2 years ago
what the fuck are you saying about chopin, you asianwhitenigger, you're an ignorant jerk
DanielMrtinzAngls 2 years ago
you know nothing about music, Chopin is the god of the piano and you dare to offend you so? You never write anything that he composed the shit you is not that he stay in the shoe to Chopin, he never wanted to write symphonies and violin sonatas that no attention was called nothing more than the piano, you're a damn son of a bitch
d4ni3lschi4v0 2 years ago
@d4ni3lschi4v0 w-....what?
sclyfes1212 2 years ago
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im sorry, does ANYONE know where all these Zimerman videos were performed?? Because the owner of all the vids isnt telling me :(
ragtimesamtime 2 years ago 2
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chopin fucking killed it
whata fucking monster he is
its a shame hes disrespected for writing for the piano only. ( i know he has piano concertos but still)
but its also a shame he didnt try to write a symphony or violin sonata
asianwhitenigger 2 years ago
@asianwhitenigger well actually this is to people who thumbs down him. why are you thumbs downing him? he was just aying chopin is awesome. but in a vulgar way. and he said people should NOT disrespect him
kishire6murcielago 2 years ago 3
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the force be with you master...
jfsaaved 2 years ago
I take strong exception to his hair.
3screamingkids 2 years ago
I take strong exception to your taking exception to his hair and not complimenting him on his music. :P
FredilYupigo 2 years ago 32
Quite agree - you clearly do not understand the artistic temperament. Anyone with hair like that is bound to be a great pianist - they just can't help it.
lsbrother 1 year ago 52
@lsbrother pianist or Karateka like Chuck norris =) the have quite similar beards and Haircuts
Zwangsworkaholic 9 months ago
It's just him cultivating his image as the aristocratic musician. It's a damn sight better than all those LIszt wannabes copying his hairstyle imo.
demosj 2 years ago
One of Chopin's greatest compositions, IMO, and while I usually admire Mr. Zimerman's playing I take strong exception here to his pregnant pauses before beats and his effete phrasing and articulation. Give me Michelangeli or Rubinstein in this music any day; both are masculine in their approach, which serves the music better IMO.
billyguns2 2 years ago 2
he is.. stroking the keys. Very gentle, and you can hear that. I'm not much of an expert on this, but I love the sound of this.
jojotjuh 2 years ago
Why can't we have a 14 minute video like michelangeli's performance? Sorry, I'm rather new to youtube.
L0velyBeauty 2 years ago
he is very much like michelangeli, in his perfection, both musical and stage presence alike.
mikejr41387 2 years ago
"michelangeli"?
What is it?
IppolitaeTeseo 2 years ago
He is way better than Michelangeli in terms of musical sence and stage presence. And for perfection, it is not an aspect to be compared.
civilbb 2 years ago
way to go Chuck Norris, your the man!!!! beatin the crap of the piano like that.
real good stuff XD
bboyjapparappa 2 years ago 8
@bboyjapparappa That's obviously Obi-Wan Kenobi, not Chuck Norris. After he's done playing he disassembles the piano with his fricking lightsaber.
taviona 1 year ago
There is a DVD: 4 ballades, barcarolle, fantasie, and shubert impromptu. Google "zimerman ballade" to find it.
chopin7tristesse 2 years ago
Obviously they are in the same setting but are all these chopin pieces (the ballades, the bacarrole etc) all on a single DVD? Cos that'd be so worth getting. Does anyone know if that's the case? thanks :)
orafus 2 years ago
yes it is just google him : )
JakWho92 2 years ago
hermosa obra
paganini0804 2 years ago
4:26-4:56 Katya...
terraflux16 2 years ago
It is quite weird discussion. Even Sviatoslav Richter pointed out that it's not only about music, theatrical performance enhances the attendee's experience through out the recital greatly.
However I wouldn't say that Zimerman is faking his gestures. The man really enjoys playing - you can see emotions raging when you look at his face.
Vipsas 2 years ago
@organman52 : When you talk about unnecessary gestures, I agree, they don't anything to the music. I also prefer Horowitz's gestures : none. We listen with our ears, not with our eyes, so stop moving like a pianist caricature. However, I figured out, after playing piano for many years, that some of these gestures are involuntary. It's a bit like dancing, or tapping the beat with your feet. You let yourself do it and you don't spend extra energy concentrating on not doing it.
17182559 2 years ago 6
@17182559 I'm of the school that onced I learned how to play this stuff, I'll make whatever hand gestures or face grimaces I'd like - who cares? It's called a performance for a reason - it's a show. Personally, I'll take flamboyance over boring any day.
umdala 1 year ago
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I really don't like him playing Chopin. He totally lacks the desperation and darkness you can for example hear in Rachmaninoffs play.
malwida 2 years ago
Chopin is Chopin, Rachmaninoff is Rachmaninoff. If you want to hear Rachmaninoff's desperation and darkness in Chopin's compositions, then try listening to the music without turning on the your music player.
civilbb 2 years ago 2
This is what I think too
IppolitaeTeseo 2 years ago
what happens if that chandelier breaks and crushes the piano? that thing must be worth like 80 grand
Chezmat1 2 years ago
I think the chandelier is probably worth 80 grand too...
Gothic1982 2 years ago
but is mr. zimerman worth 80 grand?
mdoub 2 years ago
Probably just his hands.
Gothic1982 2 years ago
He's priceless.
sclyfes1212 2 years ago 4
its pretty nice.
stagesix6 2 years ago
perfect!!! °.°
okkidilago 2 years ago
well then there, i'm not going to get in the middle of all those angry comments down there, so i won't......music salright by me....ps organman i believe that if you can't play the piece, idk if u can or can't, u have no room to comment negatively, or positivly, so eh......i back mr.gothic on this one
GiersofWar 2 years ago
well, thats just bullshit.
P0L0K0P 2 years ago
What did I miss LMAO!? Organ man... barely read your shit and you annoy me! xD Fuck off vivace!
pcpiratepete 2 years ago 2
organman52 ma va sparati ( Shut on your face) stai zitto
polipone12 2 years ago 3
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If one were to calculate the mileage that this man's hands travel up and down between playing the actual notes, there would probably be enough to circumnavigate the earth - at least once. Playing the piano does not require this extraneous motion.
organman52 2 years ago
Shut up.
FredilYupigo 2 years ago 4
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What are you kidding? Of course I'm not going to 'shut up.' In fact, people like you bring out the best in me - you keep it up - and so will I.
organman52 2 years ago
Jeez, if that's the best in you, I'd hate to see the worst in you.
YouTube doesn't require this extraneous idiot arguing about ONE NOTE in a thirteen-minute long piece. Dude, how long has this been going on? It's one note. Get another performance, listen to it, forget about this.
(Unless you don't have the money to.)
FredilYupigo 2 years ago 4
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Thank you so much for assigning yourself to my psychiatric care.
organman52 2 years ago
No one cares about how pianists move their hands. They care about the quality of the performance.
I mean, the unbelievable part is that someone would actually say something like "he moves his hands too much." Go to a Zimerman concert and say it to his face or write a column in the newspaper about it. Just see what kind of reaction you get.
hellomate639 2 years ago
No one? Wrong. I care. Why? Because I know what it takes to play the piano - and what it DOESN'T take - namely, extraneous gestures which are nothing more than showmanship, in other words, 'look everybody, see how wonderful I am'. Extraneous gestures are a sure sign of egomania.
Your turn.
organman52 2 years ago
You wouldn't care about his ego if you didn't think he was better than you.
hellomate639 2 years ago
Better? What is that supposed to mean? All you simple minded individuals ever do is compare one performer to another. Does this illuminate you? And isn't 'measuring' one's ability objective? For example, I have often read the review of a concert that I attended, only to feel that the reviewer and I were at different concerts. Regarding Zimerman's playing - my [original] comment had to do with the very first note - which he plays staccato.
Question: do you care one bit about Chopin's music?
organman52 2 years ago
Every worthy musician is an egomaniac then.
demosj 2 years ago
Shut up.
Gothic1982 2 years ago
And once again, shut up.
Gothic1982 2 years ago
NEVER will I 'shut up.' And I would add that you seem quite upset. Is it something I said?
organman52 2 years ago
Oh, I'm not upset. You're the one who seems more upset. Really, I think you should stop coming back here. Since that one note seems to irritate you so much, perhaps you should consider not listening it to it? It might just make you a less grumpy person =)
Gothic1982 2 years ago
It is certainly not 'that one note' that is the issue here. It is the unwillingness - and inability - for most commenters on youtube to engage in a constructive conversation about such things as style, structure and most of all LISTENING. Changing other people's views is not my mission. My mission is to honor the master composers.
organman52 2 years ago
Everyone listens and relates to music in such a personal way that it all comes down to a matter of taste and emotional connection in the end. Any performance that is sincere and emotionally compelling is good enough for me, and for a lot of people. To want us to appreciate fewer, instead of more, of these great artists for any reason seems strange indeed.
freakytea 2 years ago
Organman52, if you don't mind:
I may have found a man in a similar pursuit as your's, only, it's towards Franz Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 -- particularly the "Prestissimo" ending.
His name is Richard Kastle. Google search his name, and check the 1st link.
I think you might like his studies, & his work.
brain1012 2 years ago
Oh give me a break - Richard Kastle is out of his freakin' mind.
organman52 2 years ago
Eh. My advice is leave the troll to himself. He wants attention, so let's starve him and indulge ourselves in beautiful Chopin. :D
PerfectWrongNote 2 years ago 3
Shut up.
Gothic1982 2 years ago
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Why don't all you geniuses devise a list - all of Chopin's masterpieces in order of 'difficulty'. It's all you seem to care about. Go ahead - have fun.
organman52 2 years ago
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4:23 ... this bro. knows the bass man!
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aaabbbccc5 2 years ago
One of the best interpretations. He is a great artist.
tatjanalu 2 years ago 19
Since reading scores and manuscripts is very much your "profession", you made a huge blunder here by not admitting and not knowing that Chopin notated the first f staccato in the autograph. It is YOU who is the idiot here and you should thank US for giving you this new insight.
Next time, stick to playing the organ!
pianopera 2 years ago
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Oh yes - PLEASE - keep teaching me new things. And for your information, I am equally capable at the piano, the harpsichord AND the organ. But why should you believe a word I say? Go ahead - enjoy your first staccato note. In fact, why don't you get a sledge hammer?
organman52 2 years ago
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Yes, why *should* I believe you?
Please, do record some of your Chopin playing (preferably on a piano), that will give us an impression how to play without showing off, without mannerisms, exactly according to the score and the wishes of the composer...it will make that hideous Zimerman quite unnecessary, I'm sure!
pianopera 2 years ago 2
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You are pathetic. And as regards your inane remark 'preferably on a piano' - name a SINGLE work by Chopin that is played WITHOUT the piano. Unless, of course, you were under the gross misconception that Chopin can be played on the organ or the harpsichord. Now THAT would be really pathetic.
I invite you to get lost, but I'm sure you won't take me up on the invitation. Individuals such as you THRIVE on hate and jealousy.
organman52 2 years ago
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Not only are you arrogant, conceited and ill-informed, you also have no sense of humour at all (my remark "preferably on a piano" was a joke to respond to your great "all round" qualities) - in short you have *nothing* to offer except cheap insults.
"Individuals such as you THRIVE on hate and jealousy." = a good diagnosis of your dear self...
It was a pleasure talking to you, organmadman!
pianopera 2 years ago 3
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Thank you so much for the clarification. You are, as usual, absolutely correct on all counts. I shall now banish myself to hell.
organman52 2 years ago
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And I hasten to add that, with your remark 'Yes, why SHOULD I believe you', I hardly construed anything else you said as a 'joke'. The only joke is you. And you're not funny.
organman52 2 years ago
Again, I have no reasons to believe you...why should I believe an anonymous guy, clearly on medication? To me, you're just one of many YouTube morons whose only contribution is spouting platitudes and slating pianists out of personal frustration...don't get me wrong, it has a certain entertaining value, and it's always good for a few laughs...;-) So yes, maybe you are funnier than me!
pianopera 2 years ago 5
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You are a pathetic moron. Beyond that, I shall have no further comment to the likes of you.
organman52 2 years ago
wow organman52 you know you are a total douche right?
thejugglenaut91 2 years ago 7
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If you say so, I believe it to be absolutely true - you pathetic idiot.
organman52 2 years ago
fuck you dude, you're pissing everyone and anyone off
blahblah3299 2 years ago 2
that was a response to organman
blahblah3299 2 years ago
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Why? Because I have good points? The truth hurts? What?
organman52 2 years ago
Really. Just fuck off now, organman. No one likes you. If you want to shit all over the internet, please go set up your own website where you can wallow in your own pool of mud. Don't pollute the common space.
Gothic1982 2 years ago 2
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I am not 'here' to win a popularity contest. And for your information, I already do have my own website[s] and blogs - none of which the likes of you will ever be privy to. My purpose 'here' is simply to state facts as I see them. If you don't like it, then YOU get lost. Have a wonderful life wallowing in your own mediocrity and superficiality.
organman52 2 years ago
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Ooooh - Sir Gothic is upset. We'll let me tell you something - I'm just getting warmed up. Keep it coming, oh ye of mediocrity and superficiality.
organman52 2 years ago
Oh, I don't intend to. Why waste my time talking to trash like you? I have better things to do than argue with YouTube comments.
Gothic1982 2 years ago 3
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Good - then get lost.
organman52 2 years ago
Let the world know: not only did Mademoiselle Boulanger never tell me that you (whoever you are) are a complete idiot, but I never had the pleasure of meeting her. There - that's a load off my conscience! You know, organism, despite our rocky start, I sense in you a kindred spirit, and I believe we could actually be good friends. Why don't we delete the past, give each other a friendly peck on the cheek, and begin all over, as friends. What do you say?
camaysar222 2 years ago 2
Organmadman should be very glad with such a generous gesture...I have the feeling that he could use a good friend...the poor fellow has so many valuable things to say ;-)
pianopera 2 years ago
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Isn't it just wonderful when two idiots agree?
organman52 2 years ago
By the way, and truly in conclusion (and to reclaim my naturally civil nature), I do agree with you on one point you made: While I have been referring to the 1st 10 notes, I do recognize C's use of the descending 4th in establishing *some* sections, though hardly playing a major role in the ensuing music. Yet as the main question here is the staccato, I would point out that the 1st note of the descending 4th in the Eb, and later Ab chordal march sections is a clear, strong staccato!
camaysar222 2 years ago
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I have two comments to all of your utter crap: 1] I do not communicate or associate in any way with LIARS and 2] go ahead a play the opening note [if you CAN] as short as you wish. It won't matter. Until such time as you publicly apologize for asserting that Nadia told YOU that I am a complete idiot, you can go back to your 'civil' nature and F*^% yourself.
organman52 2 years ago
By the way, a pianist-friend has suggested that the use of a bit more pedal on the note in question, to elide it more closely with the C, might give voice to Chopin's intentions more accurately than the dry effect produced by Zimerman.
And... if you hear the theme all through the rest of the piece, I congratulate you on a most fertile imagination! I leave you now to the empty caverns of your mind. I can hear the winds howling - "wooooooo.....".
camaysar222 2 years ago
Even if every subsequent page of the Fantaisie had the theme with the first 2 notes legato repeated 10 times, it would not overrule Chopin's staccato in the opening bar. Genius is not bound by rigid , compartmentalized rules of "consistency". The fact is, Chopin could think and create in a way you cannot fathom. That is why he is the genius, and you, well.... farewell!
camaysar222 2 years ago
I totally agree camaysar, and I quote the *putative* teacher of organman52:
"A great work is made out of a combination of obedience and liberty."
(N. Boulanger)
pianopera 2 years ago 3
Just before cut time, the first 2 notes are extracted and indicated as legato, but not as part of the theme, which is my point. Also, consideration must be given to the fact that the staccato occurs on the very first note of the piece, but this may require the kind of subtle understanding of which you seem to be incapable.Having said this, let me point out that it ultimately means nothing in relation to the original question: "could Chopin have possibly written the first note staccato?">>>
camaysar222 2 years ago
Let me clarify what may have been a poor choice of words. When I refer to the "motive", it should have been clear that I meant the opening 10 notes of the piece, not a descending 4th. "Theme" may be a better choice, though it is only the first half. Chopin states the theme only once in its original form. In his original, the first note is staccato. It is never, in any later "iteration" of this theme (only p.1) specifically indicated legato. The theme completely disappears after page 1.>>>
camaysar222 2 years ago
The facial contortions, physcial mannerisms and distortion of the music are what makes this THE performance. The whole world should experience it.
organman52 2 years ago
" Anyone who knows Chopin's autographs knows that he was very careful to obliterate anything he didn't want."
That' s precisely why that carefully notated first f with a staccato sign above it in the autograph should be taken seriously, as Chopin didn't notate something that he didn't intend!
Really, I am very happy for you that you had some lessons with mam'selle Boulanger (like the hundreds of other students she taught in her long life, as teaching was Boulanger's daily *brea