HOW TO FACE REAL PROBLEMS. THEY ARE NOT TEACHING US HOW TO CONTROL OUR EMOTIONS, OUR FEELINGS, OUR ANGRY AND NOT EVEN HOW TO ORGANIZE OUR THOUGHTS OR HOW TO SELECT THE GOOD THOUGHTS. SO THEY ARE NOT TEACHING US HOW TO ORGANIZE OUR MIND AND FROM THIS TO LEARN HOW TO ORGANIZE OUR REAL LIVES. THEY ARE ALIENATING US JUST TO FOLLOW THEIR RULES AND DO WHAT THEY WANT. CONGRATULATIONS FOR THIS VIDEO! LET'S WORK TOGETHER! AND CHANGE ALL OF THIS!
YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! I TOTALLY AGREE! THE COLLEGE, THE UNIVERSITY AND THE SCHOOL IN GENERAL ARE NOT PREPARING THE STUDENTS TO THE REAL WORLD AND HOW TO USE THEIR BRAINS, HOW TO SOLVE REAL PROBLEMS, HOW TO FACE REAL PROBLEMS.
@TheRosangela1987 I don't think that's the point of universities and colleges. I believe that's your parents job. Blaming it on the education system is just poor excuses for why you failed in life. You go to university to learn facts. Facts about chemistry if you want to get into that field of work. Facts about physics if you want to become a physicist. Facts about computer science, how computer works, and how to program if you're following the same path as me.
I don't live in America, but I'm doing a computer science degree. I've had at least a couple of classes where most of the time the lecturer would just tell us facts that had no reasoning about how they were related to other things. The facts may as well just been random lines from a trivia book, as I didn't know how they fit in with everything else.
If that is what the Dan guy is talking about specifically, then I can agree with him on that at least.
He did'nt say that memorizing facts make you a physicist. But he said that you can pass school with good grades with simply memorizing facts. You're misinterpreting what he said. You go on assumptions. You make me angry. There are things they "teach" us in school that i could have just as easily googled.
@Thecrazyfish12 "But he said that you can pass school with good grades with simply memorizing facts."
Wat? Even primary school requires that you do work and take test to demonstrate the ability to apply the material that was covered. I cannot imagine that getting good grades in universities is something you can do by just having an eidetic memory, but maybe that is a leap of logic on my part.
@ShinobuHarvester That's exactly what it's like! I go to high school and the only thing teachers do is feed me facts that i easily can find on the interwebz. That's exactly what it's like and that is why some things in school are worthless.
@ShinobuHarvester Have you ever seen the really bad movie Battlefield Earth? This kind of reminds me of this. John Travolta, who is a technologically advanced alien, takes the lowly human to the ruins of a human library, and tells him that he can look and read whatever he likes, because there is nothing that will help him. That's how college exams were for me. Unless I understood the concepts taught in class, there was no amount of google that would help me pass that test
I actually agree with Dan. You're misinterpreting his words. It's not like he said university is useless, which is how you interpreted it.. He's merely pointing out that education needs to be brought into the 21st century.
@mike107210 I'm definitely not an educator, so I'm not sure, all I know is that it needs to concentrate less on a mindless memorization of facts. It obviously won't be easy to change, but I think it needs to.
You don't have a valid argument when you spend most of the time insulting the other person. And how would you explain the obvious success of Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerburg when they were college dropouts? Dan wasn't saying that education was useless, only that it needed to change to fit the needs of the 21st century.
you have 2 examples of people who suceeded by dropping out of college but what about the thousands more that didnt suceed maybe they did it wrong or something, or maybe they are a very small minority. look at the number of people who suceed with skills as opposed to those without
@SixthSenseSynesthete I made a joke saying college was useless. However I wasn't serious and the text in my comments made it brutally obvious, I do go to college right now (although I do volunteer work in Mexico for the summer), just because they were successful doesn't mean anything, most businesses fail within the first few years.
Salman Khan of Khan Academy made an identical point about education. He mentions that most evaluations of a student will be done based on their projects as apposed to tests. In other words, a student must implement the knowledge effectively to get good grades.
Although there is *ALWAYS* room for improvement, Thundrerf00t is right on the money (as usual).
This vid is a year and a half old (more or less) now, I would live to find out if Dan is now working with say, a large hadron collider, or perhaps say, a burger flipper. I know which one my money is on LOL
I think his mistake (and I've heard it before) is that a lecturer is there to teach you; that's not their job.
Teachers teach, lecturers "guide". You're at uni to learn, so go learn. They'll tell you where to look and what you need to know but by the time you're at uni it's expected that you know how to manage your own time and are self-motivated.
I know people with degrees who make the same non-sense as this guy. A degree won't make you smart, or a deep thinker. It gives you a piece of paper that shows you can read the right books and regurgitate the right knowledge.
I'm not trying to knock "well" educated people (I am one) but not all educations are equal.
You slightly misinterpreted him on the facts thing... I think what he meant was that his lecturer wouldn't explain the facts or give an example of how theyd be applied. I think it was just his own experience with a terrible lecturer that made him drop out.
Otherwise, we have the same ballpark intelligence and virtually the same research skills. Since no epistemic progress is ever made in the humanities anyway, there is no arrogance on my part in comparing myself to the most eminent scholar in the field. How can an older, more experienced witch doctor be better than a younger, less experienced witch doctor? Do you see what I mean? It's now 6:00 am and time for bed. I hope I have at least partially persuaded you that university is a waste of time.
I'm the product of the university system itself. In fact, you could say I'm the perfect product of the system, my PhD being a testament to the thoroughness of my ideological brainwashing. The only difference between me and some goddamn English professor is that he has a comfortable research position and an office with oak-panelled walls, whereas I spend most of my days and nights in my parents' basement idly ranting over the internet.
By the way, if my overarching message here sounds sick, its is only because of my emotionally charged diction. In actual fact, university humanities and social science departments hold precisely the same views, only they call it Critical Theory. University humanities departments are socially antagonistic through and through (and through). Marxian Critical theory informs 9/10ths of contemporary academic cultural discourse, and its design is to rigorously undermine received values.
I used to be a hard-working optimist with hopes and dreams of making a contribution to the world, but I've been morally eviscerated by the combination of excessive education and persistent, long-term absence of opportunity. I am dead.
My New Deal for society is this: since you won't give me the opportunity to use my so called extraordinary education for good, then out of burning spite I'll use it for evil. Fuck you, society.
I'll show you what devastating harm my useless education can do. I'll use my "transferable" abstract reasoning skills to corrupt your children's minds, making them bitter, disillusioned, and cynical before their time. I'll teach every youngster that crosses my cursed path to hate authority, hate the employer, hate democracy, hate religion, hate science, hate literature, and hate every well-adjusted individual's deeply cherished values no matter what they are.
There is just no place for me in this world, so I renounce the world. My values are now utterly solipsistic. If you bastards won't give me any opportunities, then I'll devote myself to destroying everything you value.
Or perhaps I would gas all the successful professors and administrators to death, or slam them alive into a burning ovens to make them pay for the economic and emotional suffering they've indirectly inflicted on me and countless others like me.
As you can see, I'm starting to get quite angry. I'm bitterly depressed and suicidal because my life has been a catastrophic failure. I partly blame myself and partly blame the university system for ideologically brainwashing me. DON'T GO TO UNIVERSITY. Boycott the bastards. Don't give them a cent. I would like to bring the University of Toronto to its fucking knees. If I were Hitler, I would permanently dismantle the U of T and kill of the professors with a firing squad.
My credentials are ARCT, HonBA, MA, PhD. For the past 12 years I've supported myself on $700 dollars a month from teaching assistantships while living at home with my parents (I'm 35). My University of Toronto education has cost me a total of $140,000. Now that I'm no longer enrolled as a doctoral candidate, I don't qualify for teaching assistantships, so I been trying to start a business walking dogs in my neighbourhood. I refuse to work in another fucking mailroom. Not again, after all this.
If you study science like Thunderf00t, but don't earn a PhD (and publish profusely in eminent journals), then you won't have a career as a scientist. Instead, you'll end up working at Wallmart for 2 years until you finally land a position an Entry-Level 1 tablet pressing technician for a large pharmaceutical company.
And then you'll wonder what you wasted 4 fucking years of your life for. Moreover, you'll all the more bitterely resent the kind of work you're forced to do (pushing a pencil, typing memos, or separating paper in a mailroom), because you'll have known the fascination of ideas, the joy of participating in the great dialogues of the past and present. You'll peform data entry while bitterly remembering the optimism of the Enlightment and the breathtaking metaphysics of Kant and Hegel.
But it goes without saying that most people who attend university do not reach the graduate level and become professors, doctors, and lawyers. Instead, they're left with a fucking useless bachelors that provides them with absolutely no marketable skills, and no transferable skills either. A Bachelors degree trains you as a generalist, which means you won't get to pursue a career in your so called field, but will be forced to find a shitty office doing something completely different.
Thunderf00t is perpetuating an old misconception about the marketable value of a university degree. We live in a society that values workers who are generally ignorant but highly specialized, i.e. professionals. Universities, as opposed to colleges and trade schools, produce a small percentage of these professionals. The sort of professionals the universities produce are the top are basically the top 1% of the highly skilled work force, i.e. professors, lawyers, doctors, etc.
A university education is a lamentable waste of time, unless you study law or business. In order to make it as a professor you need a higher IQ than Einstein and ten times as much persistence. I'm not saying you won't learn a lot from attending university. You'll become smarter and more knowledgable, no doubt about that. But statistics show that people with university do NOT get better jobs--once again, unless their degree was in law or business.
No,what Dan was saying is that Education is important, but if education doesn't improve, then we will teach ourselves what we need to do. Look at Mark Twain, he taught himself after work by going to a library and just began reading what he wanted to learn.
He has a point about schooling getting in the way of an education sometimes. My K-12 experience was horrible. I had an IEP because of Aspergers syndrome instead of reading my IEP and try to help me when I needed it they treated me like a retard and sent me to the "center" whenever they thought "I wouldn't understand something." In effect keeping me dumb. Most of what I learned I learned on my own. THAT needs to be fixed.
If you were to compare experience by whether he has completed college or not, then you clearly didn't understand college or university yourself! College doesn't measure, the ability to create or structure an argument. It may give you skills but college is not a measure of intelligence or anything else.
@DanaiHolDr Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are dropouts, but they're both incredibly intelligent and know what they are doing. Of course, that's not a guarantee for anything, but if you can at least prove you know what you're doing, you'll have a better chance.
you act like 12 year old boy, who cares what he does on his vlog, i mean WTF you are i dont know about 30?people old like u have work and family they dont spend their free time with crap like this.Man u really need help
All of these people Never had fantastic edutactions, But all became some of the most powerful people in the world. No your "main" point has broken down, and was completely invailed to begain with. I have only one more thing to state. Information is free:D
And if you take a little time, and a little know how, it can always be used against even the smartest of people. I thank google in helping to produce this, for with out it, I might not have been able to gather all that information so quickly.
@kytoyou You are picking a severe minority. Bill Gates for example taught himself for years how to work with computers in his teenage years, in a day in age when computers were very different from those we see today (a hardware driven industry, not a software driven one). Logically, that makes your point invalid since Bill Gates dropped out because he was going into industry, thus negating your argument. Infact TF addresses that point in a remade version of this video which you can find.
William Henry "Bill" Gates III, an American business magnate, philanthropist, author and chairman of Microsoft, never got pass college, A man use woth is $56 billion. John D. Rockefeller Sr., a high school dropout, became the first American billionaire and is said to be the richest man in history, Andrew Jackson, is most-known for being the 6th president of the United States, but was also a military governor, Army commander, an attorney, and a congressman all without ever going to college cont
You sir are not too bright. I say this for one, you repet "college dropout" alot. While you had several fantastic points, you underminded them by overemphasising Dan being a college dropout. And from how mush that only was stated, most people will take that as your only argument. Now assuming the stated, I have to say this Henry Ford, creator of Ford Motor Compony, he never graduated highschool, Micheal Dell, Founder and CEO of Dell Inc., Dropout age 19. cont....
i forgot how much this guy sounds exactly like glenn beck. his tone and the way he presents his rhetoric is spot on. it is possibly the best glenn beck impression I have ever heard and its entirely unintentional. creepy
You explain why society does not look to college drop outs for a "visionary insight", yet in literally the same sentence you mention his 200,00 subscribers! Society may not value Dan's opinion but his 200,000 subscribers obviously do. Also you forgot to mention that Dan said "I am in no way, shape or form trying to derive what it has done for society."
Anyway shouldn't you get back to "discovering the unknown", instead of "yammering at the camera"?...
Dan obviously did not have a successful university and have you not thought that not all universities are the same? Could it not be that his particular lecturer/university wasn't as good as your Oxbridge education? (Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem the type).
What about those who choose not to go into further education at all? If Dan didn't go at all there would be nothing wrong with that, but if he drops out he's suddenly the bad guy? (Part 2 of my comment above, I ran out of characters)
I went to high school with this guy and his ego has been inflated by numerous people in Nebraska who want to say they are friends with someone quasi-famous. He's an egotistical moron who dropped out of college because it wasn't what he wanted it to be. Join the club. University is the way it is because it works. It doesn't let people like Mr. Brown get a degree unless they work for it and show they have what it takes to go out in the real world and applied what they learned.
Our western education system is not perfect but it provides us with science technology and medical science that improves our life. It gives you every newspaper you read and almost every aspect of EVERYTHING you go. To flagrantly fob it off is to insult every person who worked towards the goal of educating the masses, something we've only had for a century. Uni isn't for everyone, but don't pretend your way is the only way.
and the thing about the facts is so fucking stupid xD NON of he tests i have ever taken has been memorisation only, it has been remembering alot of diffrent principles and them applying them to solve problems. Thats how you do any examination in Denmark atleast, thats the damn point of it. you can't just look up facts, and thunderfoot is completely justified in rediculing this idea.
Really that is how it works a universities? not in denmark.. They have many diffrent events to try and get every student to be social, and learn their peers. the first 5 days are a trip were party every day and bond with the other students.. and if we have social problems there a multiple places that are there to help you.
The teacher does know the names... but he isnt as interested in people unless they propose something very interesting.. which is fine, i mean he teaches hundreds of people.
"the professors rarely made an effort to learn anyones names and almost never encouraged any interaction amongst the students" LMFAO! This kid has no sense of reality.No duh dan the professor doesn't give a rats ass whether you pass or fail thats how universities work. In fact, the professor wants you to fail so that he/she can grade less tests haha.
The problem with many top universities is that in many cases rote memorization is advantaged over actually understanding the matter taught. The consequence thereof is that many underqualified people graduate and qualified people don't graduate. From this perspective, a change is certainly needed in these universities although I'm not sure that's what this guy meant.
Don't get me wrong, Education is very important. But the only reason I didn't drop out is so I can go to university. Half the stuff I see is boring and really the same. I don't need to learn how to paint a house in black paint if I've learned how to do it in red, yellow and green. In the same way I don't need to learn different ways of filling in a formula.
The education system as it is now is detrimental to true education. The current system doesn't focus on essential life skills, on developing critical thinking skills. When the school systems send everyone in the same direction, a direction you might find appalling, it is not oxymoronic to say you left the school system because it was detrimental to education. You equate education with schooling, but that is a fatal flaw.
Lol hard @ how he admitted attending the "University" of Nebraska! Even if he graduated from there he'd have a glass ceiling for people who attend certain schools.
"So we went to Atari and said, 'We've got this amazing thing, even built with some of your parts and what do you think about funding us? Or we'll give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our salary, we'll come work for you.' They said 'No'. Then we went to Hewlett-Packard; they said, 'We don't need you. You haven't got through college yet'." (Apple Computer founder Steve Jobs on attempts to get Atari and HP interested in his and Steve Wozniak's personal computer.)
People who merely have their associate's degree (or even a bachelor's from a less-than-selective school) to say nothing of a high school diploma, aren't respected in this society, and people should attend college not only to not lose social ground, to play Beirut, party, and lay the foundation for their career, but also respectability.
TF, some of your points are lame. You say that college dropouts and ''non-dropouts'' view things differently, and you demonstrate this by showing how Dan contradicts himself in his own video. Then you smile and move on... wtf?!
@sonykroket I think you're on to something there. Its the combination of the epic bubble bursting of their idea that their collegiate life will consist of something that resembles Van Wilder, and pure laziness.
At first I agreed, in some ways, with Thunderf00t. Later on, though, and especially since starting college myself (Network Administration), I came to agree with Dan Brown. Indeed, the most I've gotten out of the core course for my studies was facts, and little in the way of knowing how to APPLY those facts to my success.
Your falling point, TF00t, is where you seemingly ignore where Dan talks about facts and nothing but them being taught in classes. You just went off on a tangent.
I think Dan's point in this discussion was to prove that you don't necessarily NEED a school or specified learning environment in order to be successful. For example, I know of a man, I think you may have heard of him, Albert Einstein? What about him? He was one of the most brilliant minds to ever set foot on the Earth. Yet he often skipped school, and eventually, dropped out of school. As did many (possibly even most) of the most brilliant minds today. I'm not necessarily saying that it is a
@CreemeOfCheese good idea for everyone to just "Go out and do whatever!". However, what I AM saying, is that some people realize that an adapted learning environment for everyone isn't always the best idea, especially when you believe that you have great ideas. Or in Dan's case, where he claims that he doesn't need further schooling. In his situation, I would say that he may be overlooking the possibilities of his current career slipping, but for the moment it is quite stable. Dan's situation
@CreemeOfCheese is a relatively unique one. He is in the area in which he has a well-paying job that is fairly easy. I think that Dan is not thinking far enough into the future (when Youtube might possibly die) when he might be out of a job. Still, Dan would have a relatively stable situation (being that he could find work somewhat quickly) because he STILL has a high school degree. College is NOT by any standards the determining factor in which you receive a job or not. Though, it does give a
@CreemeOfCheese higher chance of receiving a job in some situations, I want to make it clear that Dan (in his case) would still be able to easily find work somewhere else. So you see, a distinct form of education doesn't necessarily determine how much knowledge you REALLY possess. I hope you see what I am trying to say, and if you feel that you would like, please reply giving me your feedback.
@CreemeOfCheese Also, I would like to state that I am in no way AGAINST the current learning system that we use in schools (of any sort) today. I am currently a freshmen in high school. I am absolutely fascinated with technology, and I plan on attending MIT for Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. So, as you can see, I don't frown upon the current system at all. I am simply bringing it to your attention that some people learn better in their own styles and environments.
I really think you missed the point of this entire thing. The community that Dan has made is based on discussion and debate, but your cynical and frankly disrespectful response to him putting his opinion up seems to be solely based on the fact that he dropped out. He didn't drop out because he was dispassionate or lazy, it wasn't working for him. I go to school, and I personally agree with him completely. I have learnt more interesting things OUTSIDE of school than I have useful things in it.
Finally, my two cents: Having done a BA and an MA, with a year in between, and living in a uni town, a higher proportion of my friends and acquaintances than most people have gone to uni.
Even if their degree is completely unrelated to their career, even if they are doing something they could have done at 16, I don't know ANYONE who graduated from uni and regretted going.
I do, however, know people who either didnt go at all, or dropped out of uni - and still regret this fact years later x
Some people thought this video was too 'pissy'. I, however, am firmly in the "Bitchslap thoroughly deserved". This clown got himself a university education, something most people on the planet can only dream of. One might naively suppose he'd be grateful for the opportunity he's getting. But nope.
Whenever I hear that pretentious and patronising phrase "My schooling was getting in the way of my education", I just want to vomit.
while not everyone can be educated in big schools. i my self have being told to consider becoming disiple and learing by doing. that might be impossible in usa but where i live it is possiple. now thunderfoot is right. education is never wasted. like aronra he does little mistakes and usualy corrects them laters on.
First, dan is not a moron - his YouTube career is becoming more and more successful by the day. I think his current format is a clear sign of his genius.
Dan did make a mistake by calling out on public universities just because they couldn't support what HE was passionate about. If you're passionate about the sciences, you kinda need a degree. Thunderf00t is right on this point.
BANG ON MATE, I LOVE THE WAY YOU ARTICULATE AND YOUR IMPECCABLE LOGIC BUT I THINK I GET THE GIST OF WHAT DAN IS SAYING DESPITE HIS CONTRADICTIONS. DEGREES AND KNOWLEDGE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS
THERE IS ACQUIRED SKILL AND THERE IS ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE. OR BOOK LEARNIN
While I agree with most points Thunderf00t made , I also agree with the top rated comments on this video (xaveir14) ... TF please take the time to watch this video: watch?v=aEFKfXiCbLw
Schools in this country are indoctrination into the system. IF you can get loans (not all of us have $ for college), you'll be in debt & working in the machine for years. The elite use the tool of debt to own our future. I know many people who owe $60k for their education; yet the economy is currently such crap they're lucky to land a min. wage job. I've met many college educated idiots who know less about science/math than I - yet think themselves a genius because of the degree.
I've got a maths degree and I agree with Dan much more than with Thunderf00t. School was at best memorizing facts - actually it was more about breaking one's spirit. University is much better, but only certain subjects. Maths is awesome, but not overly useful. Look at the meteorology for an example of a "hard" science that's deteriorated into mysticism. Thunderf00t, you're the good reason of why so many Americans distrust intellectuals.
I'm guessing that Dan's idea of college as "we just memorize facts" stems from the fact that he was in one of those majors like history or something that doesn't have much of a practical application other than learning events and names.
There's one part where Thunderf00t absolutely fails.
We take suggestions from "educated" people, they tell us how to run healthcare, education, the economy, social systems, YET, all of these things are getting worse and worse and worser still. Thunderf00t is trying to define education as something that can only be acquired from a University and that the only thing that can possibly symbolize that you have an education is a degree... which is a complete failure.
Is it me or is this the kind of idiot that are trying to teach kids today and just ignores what the kids want and how the world is changing and stays with his old habits?
hmm, this is an interesting issue. I think when it all comes down to it, it really depends on the field. I cannot think of majors for jobs like cashiers, plumbers, carpenters, and other blue collar jobs. Art jobs are also "skills-based" more that education-based in a way.
Maybe it's an issue of getting more hands-on experience.
o.o I was not sure if I wanted to go to college, simply because I don't know exactly what I wanna do with my life. Dan's explanation of University actually made me want to go. And Thunderf00t's awesome physics comparison made me really like the idea of being a physicist or maybe a psychologist.
Since I am in college, I feel I can, to an extent, understand what Dan Brown was actually getting at. It's not the purpose of universities and post-secondary education that he was questioning, but the way it is applied.
I am taking IT: Network Administration, and part of this included taking a course offered by Cisco. There are few who qualify for being an instructor in Canada, and I had (term ended recently) an ABSOLUTE FUCKING JOKE of an instructor. I learned almost nothing from him. See now?
@Mythosician06 Just because you had a bad instructor doesn't mean the entire education system is flawed. All college students have had good and bad instructors. And each instructor teaches in a different way. You'll never have all instructors teach on a power point or from writing on a chalkboard. I've had professors much like the one you described, and I realized the reason I didn't learn anything was my own fault. Not saying the same thing happened to you.
I did not apply my story to everyone in post-sec. I never insinuated that the education system as a whole, as you're pushing, is flawed. Like with just about everything, it's circumstantial. In mine, it was hugely disappointing and ineffective in preparing me for a career.
All I was taught was fact and theory, such as, "ideally, a wired connection achieves speeds several times greater than wireless connections." I went to learn HOW, not what; the PROCESS, not the IDEAL RESULT.
who the fuck is dan and thy is anyone even listening to him, hes just a little prick in his little room in his parents house?! I get more outraged by his audience than dan himself..
@Bultish Why? Why do you care so much why we listen to him or watch him? You're not affected in the least by us watching him. And so yeah, maybe he "lives in a little room in his parents house" but what are you? His dad? Do you pay for him to stay in his parents house? No. So stop messing with people you don't have any knowldege about.
I think that you made to big a point of how he dropped out, sure it was a bad decision but I just think that was a bit overboard. He also mentioned that he could still go back if he wanted to even though he probably won't for a while because of Youtube. Even if he didn't completely go through college doesn't mean that he can't be smart by any means. College is important but that doesn't mean that you can't go to a college online for instance which is the same as getting information from internet
Oh dear Dan! You have just made a big mistake.... Wait until you need to find work, should be interesting to see what employer takes you on.
I’m 44, still going to night classes for Japanese. Why? Because although the information I need can be found on the internet/CDs, learning from a teacher and sharing group work and exposure is still the best way of learning. Even distance learning has its merits....
Dropping out for his reasons are not a logical reason to give up on life.
@ParkSouthSW11 i know plenty of idiots like him. Think they're too smart for school and they're better off without it. It's too bad too because they are smart, the problem is they're not as smart as they think they are. It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure, that just ain't so
@rodrommel - Oh well, it’s just going to be a shock for them when at 35 they are still flipping burgers....
I know Lord Sugar started off as a school dropout and is now a billionaire but he started off working on a London’s Eastend market and always had a head for business/money.....
Until like Dan who seems to be willing to chase 'Sky Daddies' instead of gaining knowledge....
I can honestly say as a senior in college that most of my time has been a waste. I will not say that college is a waste, it really depends on your major. I am majoring in public relations and every class has been horrible and uneducational. However I am minoring in German and my experience has been nothing but fantasic.
That little prick thinks he's Glenn Beck
Triipticz 1 week ago
HOW TO FACE REAL PROBLEMS. THEY ARE NOT TEACHING US HOW TO CONTROL OUR EMOTIONS, OUR FEELINGS, OUR ANGRY AND NOT EVEN HOW TO ORGANIZE OUR THOUGHTS OR HOW TO SELECT THE GOOD THOUGHTS. SO THEY ARE NOT TEACHING US HOW TO ORGANIZE OUR MIND AND FROM THIS TO LEARN HOW TO ORGANIZE OUR REAL LIVES. THEY ARE ALIENATING US JUST TO FOLLOW THEIR RULES AND DO WHAT THEY WANT. CONGRATULATIONS FOR THIS VIDEO! LET'S WORK TOGETHER! AND CHANGE ALL OF THIS!
TheRosangela1987 3 weeks ago
YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! I TOTALLY AGREE! THE COLLEGE, THE UNIVERSITY AND THE SCHOOL IN GENERAL ARE NOT PREPARING THE STUDENTS TO THE REAL WORLD AND HOW TO USE THEIR BRAINS, HOW TO SOLVE REAL PROBLEMS, HOW TO FACE REAL PROBLEMS.
TheRosangela1987 3 weeks ago
@TheRosangela1987 I don't think that's the point of universities and colleges. I believe that's your parents job. Blaming it on the education system is just poor excuses for why you failed in life. You go to university to learn facts. Facts about chemistry if you want to get into that field of work. Facts about physics if you want to become a physicist. Facts about computer science, how computer works, and how to program if you're following the same path as me.
S73V4Y 1 week ago
Sir, as a future educator, you are my hero. I don't think any of us could have said it better.
VaeAngeli 3 weeks ago
thunderfoot for the win
RzaChess 1 month ago
bollocks dan..lmao!!
Thesweetscience47 1 month ago
This would have been a convincing argument minus the annoying and rude text at the bottom.
emmzy888 1 month ago
I don't live in America, but I'm doing a computer science degree. I've had at least a couple of classes where most of the time the lecturer would just tell us facts that had no reasoning about how they were related to other things. The facts may as well just been random lines from a trivia book, as I didn't know how they fit in with everything else.
If that is what the Dan guy is talking about specifically, then I can agree with him on that at least.
Xinfinitude 2 months ago in playlist More videos from Thunderf00t
you have computer and tutorial labs.
halflifeproductionz 2 months ago
"Looked to the college dropout for visionary insight" LOL hahahahahahaha.
Jiminallofhisglory 2 months ago 5
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And yet some people dropped out, and did better. (I.E. Bill Gates.)
Otherwise, good video. :)
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This video almost makes me puke. Something is deeply wrong with that guy's attitude.
sooperfukker 3 months ago 8
He did'nt say that memorizing facts make you a physicist. But he said that you can pass school with good grades with simply memorizing facts. You're misinterpreting what he said. You go on assumptions. You make me angry. There are things they "teach" us in school that i could have just as easily googled.
Thecrazyfish12 3 months ago
@Thecrazyfish12 "But he said that you can pass school with good grades with simply memorizing facts."
Wat? Even primary school requires that you do work and take test to demonstrate the ability to apply the material that was covered. I cannot imagine that getting good grades in universities is something you can do by just having an eidetic memory, but maybe that is a leap of logic on my part.
Surely all you would need is Google!
ShinobuHarvester 3 months ago
@ShinobuHarvester That's exactly what it's like! I go to high school and the only thing teachers do is feed me facts that i easily can find on the interwebz. That's exactly what it's like and that is why some things in school are worthless.
Thecrazyfish12 3 months ago
@ShinobuHarvester Have you ever seen the really bad movie Battlefield Earth? This kind of reminds me of this. John Travolta, who is a technologically advanced alien, takes the lowly human to the ruins of a human library, and tells him that he can look and read whatever he likes, because there is nothing that will help him. That's how college exams were for me. Unless I understood the concepts taught in class, there was no amount of google that would help me pass that test
rodrommel 2 months ago
I actually agree with Dan. You're misinterpreting his words. It's not like he said university is useless, which is how you interpreted it.. He's merely pointing out that education needs to be brought into the 21st century.
PrideXentric 4 months ago
@PrideXentric Then how should it be done, if it needs to be done?
mike107210 4 months ago
@mike107210 I'm definitely not an educator, so I'm not sure, all I know is that it needs to concentrate less on a mindless memorization of facts. It obviously won't be easy to change, but I think it needs to.
PrideXentric 3 months ago
bravo, knowledge is useless unless you understand them. You must understand the facts or they are meaningless
collinnicholas1 4 months ago
You don't have a valid argument when you spend most of the time insulting the other person. And how would you explain the obvious success of Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerburg when they were college dropouts? Dan wasn't saying that education was useless, only that it needed to change to fit the needs of the 21st century.
SixthSenseSynesthete 4 months ago
@SixthSenseSynesthete
you have 2 examples of people who suceeded by dropping out of college but what about the thousands more that didnt suceed maybe they did it wrong or something, or maybe they are a very small minority. look at the number of people who suceed with skills as opposed to those without
collinnicholas1 4 months ago
@SixthSenseSynesthete I made a joke saying college was useless. However I wasn't serious and the text in my comments made it brutally obvious, I do go to college right now (although I do volunteer work in Mexico for the summer), just because they were successful doesn't mean anything, most businesses fail within the first few years.
TheBlitMaster 3 months ago
Salman Khan of Khan Academy made an identical point about education. He mentions that most evaluations of a student will be done based on their projects as apposed to tests. In other words, a student must implement the knowledge effectively to get good grades.
spinynorman1982 4 months ago
You can voice your opinion about somebody without being rude, each to their own opinion. :|
xXxElizabethRosexXx 4 months ago
Although there is *ALWAYS* room for improvement, Thundrerf00t is right on the money (as usual).
This vid is a year and a half old (more or less) now, I would live to find out if Dan is now working with say, a large hadron collider, or perhaps say, a burger flipper. I know which one my money is on LOL
TMTours 4 months ago
I think his mistake (and I've heard it before) is that a lecturer is there to teach you; that's not their job.
Teachers teach, lecturers "guide". You're at uni to learn, so go learn. They'll tell you where to look and what you need to know but by the time you're at uni it's expected that you know how to manage your own time and are self-motivated.
Seriously, what a whiney douche bag this kid is.
DaToNyOyO 4 months ago in playlist More videos from Thunderf00t
I know people with degrees who make the same non-sense as this guy. A degree won't make you smart, or a deep thinker. It gives you a piece of paper that shows you can read the right books and regurgitate the right knowledge.
I'm not trying to knock "well" educated people (I am one) but not all educations are equal.
DaToNyOyO 4 months ago in playlist More videos from Thunderf00t
@DaToNyOyO
a piece of paper on the wall does not mean your a decent person
collinnicholas1 4 months ago
@collinnicholas1
Your comment makes no sense.
I never made any claims about who is or is not decent nor did I make claims about pieces of paper leading to decency.
DaToNyOyO 3 months ago
lol, what a smug bastard.
TomValedro 4 months ago
Thunderfoot should teach us courses online, lol
haha get a parrot! Now I want to get one :P
architect333 4 months ago
I really enjoyed this video. Well said.
petalbacon 5 months ago
You slightly misinterpreted him on the facts thing... I think what he meant was that his lecturer wouldn't explain the facts or give an example of how theyd be applied. I think it was just his own experience with a terrible lecturer that made him drop out.
MCDMars 5 months ago
It felt good to say that for once.
tneveca 5 months ago
Professor Linda Hutcheon is a cunt.
tneveca 5 months ago
Otherwise, we have the same ballpark intelligence and virtually the same research skills. Since no epistemic progress is ever made in the humanities anyway, there is no arrogance on my part in comparing myself to the most eminent scholar in the field. How can an older, more experienced witch doctor be better than a younger, less experienced witch doctor? Do you see what I mean? It's now 6:00 am and time for bed. I hope I have at least partially persuaded you that university is a waste of time.
tneveca 5 months ago
I'm the product of the university system itself. In fact, you could say I'm the perfect product of the system, my PhD being a testament to the thoroughness of my ideological brainwashing. The only difference between me and some goddamn English professor is that he has a comfortable research position and an office with oak-panelled walls, whereas I spend most of my days and nights in my parents' basement idly ranting over the internet.
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By the way, if my overarching message here sounds sick, its is only because of my emotionally charged diction. In actual fact, university humanities and social science departments hold precisely the same views, only they call it Critical Theory. University humanities departments are socially antagonistic through and through (and through). Marxian Critical theory informs 9/10ths of contemporary academic cultural discourse, and its design is to rigorously undermine received values.
tneveca 5 months ago
I used to be a hard-working optimist with hopes and dreams of making a contribution to the world, but I've been morally eviscerated by the combination of excessive education and persistent, long-term absence of opportunity. I am dead.
tneveca 5 months ago
My New Deal for society is this: since you won't give me the opportunity to use my so called extraordinary education for good, then out of burning spite I'll use it for evil. Fuck you, society.
tneveca 5 months ago
I'll show you what devastating harm my useless education can do. I'll use my "transferable" abstract reasoning skills to corrupt your children's minds, making them bitter, disillusioned, and cynical before their time. I'll teach every youngster that crosses my cursed path to hate authority, hate the employer, hate democracy, hate religion, hate science, hate literature, and hate every well-adjusted individual's deeply cherished values no matter what they are.
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There is just no place for me in this world, so I renounce the world. My values are now utterly solipsistic. If you bastards won't give me any opportunities, then I'll devote myself to destroying everything you value.
tneveca 5 months ago
Or perhaps I would gas all the successful professors and administrators to death, or slam them alive into a burning ovens to make them pay for the economic and emotional suffering they've indirectly inflicted on me and countless others like me.
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tneveca 5 months ago
As you can see, I'm starting to get quite angry. I'm bitterly depressed and suicidal because my life has been a catastrophic failure. I partly blame myself and partly blame the university system for ideologically brainwashing me. DON'T GO TO UNIVERSITY. Boycott the bastards. Don't give them a cent. I would like to bring the University of Toronto to its fucking knees. If I were Hitler, I would permanently dismantle the U of T and kill of the professors with a firing squad.
tneveca 5 months ago
My credentials are ARCT, HonBA, MA, PhD. For the past 12 years I've supported myself on $700 dollars a month from teaching assistantships while living at home with my parents (I'm 35). My University of Toronto education has cost me a total of $140,000. Now that I'm no longer enrolled as a doctoral candidate, I don't qualify for teaching assistantships, so I been trying to start a business walking dogs in my neighbourhood. I refuse to work in another fucking mailroom. Not again, after all this.
tneveca 5 months ago
If you study science like Thunderf00t, but don't earn a PhD (and publish profusely in eminent journals), then you won't have a career as a scientist. Instead, you'll end up working at Wallmart for 2 years until you finally land a position an Entry-Level 1 tablet pressing technician for a large pharmaceutical company.
tneveca 5 months ago
And then you'll wonder what you wasted 4 fucking years of your life for. Moreover, you'll all the more bitterely resent the kind of work you're forced to do (pushing a pencil, typing memos, or separating paper in a mailroom), because you'll have known the fascination of ideas, the joy of participating in the great dialogues of the past and present. You'll peform data entry while bitterly remembering the optimism of the Enlightment and the breathtaking metaphysics of Kant and Hegel.
tneveca 5 months ago
But it goes without saying that most people who attend university do not reach the graduate level and become professors, doctors, and lawyers. Instead, they're left with a fucking useless bachelors that provides them with absolutely no marketable skills, and no transferable skills either. A Bachelors degree trains you as a generalist, which means you won't get to pursue a career in your so called field, but will be forced to find a shitty office doing something completely different.
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tneveca 5 months ago
Thunderf00t is perpetuating an old misconception about the marketable value of a university degree. We live in a society that values workers who are generally ignorant but highly specialized, i.e. professionals. Universities, as opposed to colleges and trade schools, produce a small percentage of these professionals. The sort of professionals the universities produce are the top are basically the top 1% of the highly skilled work force, i.e. professors, lawyers, doctors, etc.
tneveca 5 months ago
A university education is a lamentable waste of time, unless you study law or business. In order to make it as a professor you need a higher IQ than Einstein and ten times as much persistence. I'm not saying you won't learn a lot from attending university. You'll become smarter and more knowledgable, no doubt about that. But statistics show that people with university do NOT get better jobs--once again, unless their degree was in law or business.
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tneveca 5 months ago
your ignorance is exactly what is holding our society back..
gicon 5 months ago
I am sorry but Dan is right, how can you expect people to remain in boring ortodox classes? People need an education revolution.
gasto5 5 months ago
No,what Dan was saying is that Education is important, but if education doesn't improve, then we will teach ourselves what we need to do. Look at Mark Twain, he taught himself after work by going to a library and just began reading what he wanted to learn.
jratnerd 5 months ago
He has a point about schooling getting in the way of an education sometimes. My K-12 experience was horrible. I had an IEP because of Aspergers syndrome instead of reading my IEP and try to help me when I needed it they treated me like a retard and sent me to the "center" whenever they thought "I wouldn't understand something." In effect keeping me dumb. Most of what I learned I learned on my own. THAT needs to be fixed.
Mauler85 5 months ago
If you were to compare experience by whether he has completed college or not, then you clearly didn't understand college or university yourself! College doesn't measure, the ability to create or structure an argument. It may give you skills but college is not a measure of intelligence or anything else.
fusionet24 5 months ago
who the fuck is this guy?
pamellamma 6 months ago
Steve Jobs is a dropout. And i guess you own a mac.
DanaiHolDr 6 months ago
@DanaiHolDr Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are dropouts, but they're both incredibly intelligent and know what they are doing. Of course, that's not a guarantee for anything, but if you can at least prove you know what you're doing, you'll have a better chance.
TitanNerd68 5 months ago in playlist More videos from Thunderf00t
why do you keep repeating that he is a college dropout?
does it really matter that much?
do you have to go to college to be smart? or intelligent? or to have an oppinion?
TheSwedishEchelon 6 months ago
you act like 12 year old boy, who cares what he does on his vlog, i mean WTF you are i dont know about 30?people old like u have work and family they dont spend their free time with crap like this.Man u really need help
tihihh 6 months ago
Lol I think of pogobat as the guy who taught me how to solve a Rubiks Cube!
warriorofguitar 6 months ago
what a noob
xBecka88x 6 months ago
I'm sure is beneficial to him and I can understand what he is tiring to say.
School the way it is is not very useful especially from the collage and up.
Memorizing facts is not helpful without understanding them.
electrodacus 7 months ago
All of these people Never had fantastic edutactions, But all became some of the most powerful people in the world. No your "main" point has broken down, and was completely invailed to begain with. I have only one more thing to state. Information is free:D
And if you take a little time, and a little know how, it can always be used against even the smartest of people. I thank google in helping to produce this, for with out it, I might not have been able to gather all that information so quickly.
kytoyou 7 months ago 2
@kytoyou You are picking a severe minority. Bill Gates for example taught himself for years how to work with computers in his teenage years, in a day in age when computers were very different from those we see today (a hardware driven industry, not a software driven one). Logically, that makes your point invalid since Bill Gates dropped out because he was going into industry, thus negating your argument. Infact TF addresses that point in a remade version of this video which you can find.
Entertainmentwf 7 months ago
William Henry "Bill" Gates III, an American business magnate, philanthropist, author and chairman of Microsoft, never got pass college, A man use woth is $56 billion. John D. Rockefeller Sr., a high school dropout, became the first American billionaire and is said to be the richest man in history, Andrew Jackson, is most-known for being the 6th president of the United States, but was also a military governor, Army commander, an attorney, and a congressman all without ever going to college cont
kytoyou 7 months ago 2
You sir are not too bright. I say this for one, you repet "college dropout" alot. While you had several fantastic points, you underminded them by overemphasising Dan being a college dropout. And from how mush that only was stated, most people will take that as your only argument. Now assuming the stated, I have to say this Henry Ford, creator of Ford Motor Compony, he never graduated highschool, Micheal Dell, Founder and CEO of Dell Inc., Dropout age 19. cont....
kytoyou 7 months ago
i forgot how much this guy sounds exactly like glenn beck. his tone and the way he presents his rhetoric is spot on. it is possibly the best glenn beck impression I have ever heard and its entirely unintentional. creepy
ChristianTheeAtheist 7 months ago
(Part 1 of my comment below)
You explain why society does not look to college drop outs for a "visionary insight", yet in literally the same sentence you mention his 200,00 subscribers! Society may not value Dan's opinion but his 200,000 subscribers obviously do. Also you forgot to mention that Dan said "I am in no way, shape or form trying to derive what it has done for society."
Anyway shouldn't you get back to "discovering the unknown", instead of "yammering at the camera"?...
dogdogcatful 7 months ago
Dan obviously did not have a successful university and have you not thought that not all universities are the same? Could it not be that his particular lecturer/university wasn't as good as your Oxbridge education? (Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem the type).
What about those who choose not to go into further education at all? If Dan didn't go at all there would be nothing wrong with that, but if he drops out he's suddenly the bad guy? (Part 2 of my comment above, I ran out of characters)
dogdogcatful 7 months ago
I went to high school with this guy and his ego has been inflated by numerous people in Nebraska who want to say they are friends with someone quasi-famous. He's an egotistical moron who dropped out of college because it wasn't what he wanted it to be. Join the club. University is the way it is because it works. It doesn't let people like Mr. Brown get a degree unless they work for it and show they have what it takes to go out in the real world and applied what they learned.
omaha0bugaha 7 months ago
For someone who went to college, you not very good at grammer.
FrostfurKat 7 months ago
@FrostfurKat For someone who knows what grammar is, you're not very good at spelling it.
mikeloaf 7 months ago
@mikeloaf I was never really good at spelling, it's one of my many faults.
FrostfurKat 7 months ago
Our western education system is not perfect but it provides us with science technology and medical science that improves our life. It gives you every newspaper you read and almost every aspect of EVERYTHING you go. To flagrantly fob it off is to insult every person who worked towards the goal of educating the masses, something we've only had for a century. Uni isn't for everyone, but don't pretend your way is the only way.
kazuwacky 8 months ago
"Hmmmm, how do I make myself look smarter? I've got it! A green screen behind me with a globe and ocean that changes colors!"
jmbladesnake 8 months ago
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tihihh 8 months ago
Good job sir!
rangervape 8 months ago
and the thing about the facts is so fucking stupid xD NON of he tests i have ever taken has been memorisation only, it has been remembering alot of diffrent principles and them applying them to solve problems. Thats how you do any examination in Denmark atleast, thats the damn point of it. you can't just look up facts, and thunderfoot is completely justified in rediculing this idea.
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1Cortexiphan 5 months ago
Really that is how it works a universities? not in denmark.. They have many diffrent events to try and get every student to be social, and learn their peers. the first 5 days are a trip were party every day and bond with the other students.. and if we have social problems there a multiple places that are there to help you.
The teacher does know the names... but he isnt as interested in people unless they propose something very interesting.. which is fine, i mean he teaches hundreds of people.
Dimajo 8 months ago
Well, you're a fucking bully.
MetaCraken 8 months ago
"the professors rarely made an effort to learn anyones names and almost never encouraged any interaction amongst the students" LMFAO! This kid has no sense of reality.No duh dan the professor doesn't give a rats ass whether you pass or fail thats how universities work. In fact, the professor wants you to fail so that he/she can grade less tests haha.
DAI3792 8 months ago
The problem with many top universities is that in many cases rote memorization is advantaged over actually understanding the matter taught. The consequence thereof is that many underqualified people graduate and qualified people don't graduate. From this perspective, a change is certainly needed in these universities although I'm not sure that's what this guy meant.
OutOfTheBoxThinker 8 months ago
That's alright Danny Boy you can always get a job flipping my burger for me.
mjh012363 8 months ago
rofl "and you is a noob"
TheSherwin2261 8 months ago
Ow and learning names and stuff like that *can* be very important. Don't underestimate motivation. It is what drives everything.
ForYeensSake 9 months ago in playlist Open Letter to Educators Bonanza!
Don't get me wrong, Education is very important. But the only reason I didn't drop out is so I can go to university. Half the stuff I see is boring and really the same. I don't need to learn how to paint a house in black paint if I've learned how to do it in red, yellow and green. In the same way I don't need to learn different ways of filling in a formula.
ForYeensSake 9 months ago in playlist Open Letter to Educators Bonanza!
The education system as it is now is detrimental to true education. The current system doesn't focus on essential life skills, on developing critical thinking skills. When the school systems send everyone in the same direction, a direction you might find appalling, it is not oxymoronic to say you left the school system because it was detrimental to education. You equate education with schooling, but that is a fatal flaw.
Llawliet246 9 months ago
@Llawliet246 wut>??
totalmetal91 9 months ago
This is a bit unfair that you cut off the beginning of the video in such a way that it misses the point entirely.
Alexc3217 9 months ago
@Alexc3217 what point exactly did he miss out? most of dan's video was pointless yammering...
bassetts1899 9 months ago
That textbook is sat on my desk while I'm watching this!! haha I should really be reading it to be honest...
Bowenwww 9 months ago
All he had to do was remember facts? Whatever happened to the process of problem solving and critical thinking?
jaymthegenius 9 months ago
Lol hard @ how he admitted attending the "University" of Nebraska! Even if he graduated from there he'd have a glass ceiling for people who attend certain schools.
jaymthegenius 9 months ago
"So we went to Atari and said, 'We've got this amazing thing, even built with some of your parts and what do you think about funding us? Or we'll give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our salary, we'll come work for you.' They said 'No'. Then we went to Hewlett-Packard; they said, 'We don't need you. You haven't got through college yet'." (Apple Computer founder Steve Jobs on attempts to get Atari and HP interested in his and Steve Wozniak's personal computer.)
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jaymthegenius 9 months ago
How is he pretentious?
People who merely have their associate's degree (or even a bachelor's from a less-than-selective school) to say nothing of a high school diploma, aren't respected in this society, and people should attend college not only to not lose social ground, to play Beirut, party, and lay the foundation for their career, but also respectability.
jaymthegenius 9 months ago
Oh so angry, TF rawr! xD
HeyRuka 9 months ago
TF, some of your points are lame. You say that college dropouts and ''non-dropouts'' view things differently, and you demonstrate this by showing how Dan contradicts himself in his own video. Then you smile and move on... wtf?!
HorridDreams 10 months ago
The problem with the college dropouts-hotshots is, they've been watching too many movies and comedies about campuslife or the illusion of it.
sonykroket 10 months ago
@sonykroket I think you're on to something there. Its the combination of the epic bubble bursting of their idea that their collegiate life will consist of something that resembles Van Wilder, and pure laziness.
snyper5nyne 10 months ago
You're a fucking idiot. For the most part, post-secondary education is useless.
fbajwa1 10 months ago
At first I agreed, in some ways, with Thunderf00t. Later on, though, and especially since starting college myself (Network Administration), I came to agree with Dan Brown. Indeed, the most I've gotten out of the core course for my studies was facts, and little in the way of knowing how to APPLY those facts to my success.
Your falling point, TF00t, is where you seemingly ignore where Dan talks about facts and nothing but them being taught in classes. You just went off on a tangent.
Mythosician06 10 months ago
I think Dan's point in this discussion was to prove that you don't necessarily NEED a school or specified learning environment in order to be successful. For example, I know of a man, I think you may have heard of him, Albert Einstein? What about him? He was one of the most brilliant minds to ever set foot on the Earth. Yet he often skipped school, and eventually, dropped out of school. As did many (possibly even most) of the most brilliant minds today. I'm not necessarily saying that it is a
CreemeOfCheese 10 months ago
@CreemeOfCheese good idea for everyone to just "Go out and do whatever!". However, what I AM saying, is that some people realize that an adapted learning environment for everyone isn't always the best idea, especially when you believe that you have great ideas. Or in Dan's case, where he claims that he doesn't need further schooling. In his situation, I would say that he may be overlooking the possibilities of his current career slipping, but for the moment it is quite stable. Dan's situation
CreemeOfCheese 10 months ago
@CreemeOfCheese is a relatively unique one. He is in the area in which he has a well-paying job that is fairly easy. I think that Dan is not thinking far enough into the future (when Youtube might possibly die) when he might be out of a job. Still, Dan would have a relatively stable situation (being that he could find work somewhat quickly) because he STILL has a high school degree. College is NOT by any standards the determining factor in which you receive a job or not. Though, it does give a
CreemeOfCheese 10 months ago
@CreemeOfCheese higher chance of receiving a job in some situations, I want to make it clear that Dan (in his case) would still be able to easily find work somewhere else. So you see, a distinct form of education doesn't necessarily determine how much knowledge you REALLY possess. I hope you see what I am trying to say, and if you feel that you would like, please reply giving me your feedback.
-Daniel
CreemeOfCheese 10 months ago
@CreemeOfCheese Also, I would like to state that I am in no way AGAINST the current learning system that we use in schools (of any sort) today. I am currently a freshmen in high school. I am absolutely fascinated with technology, and I plan on attending MIT for Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. So, as you can see, I don't frown upon the current system at all. I am simply bringing it to your attention that some people learn better in their own styles and environments.
Thanks,
Daniel.
CreemeOfCheese 10 months ago
Educators, you don't need to change anything...
The world is changing and if you don't change with it...
How does one reconcile "you don't need to change" with "if you don't change"?
Is this moron, pogobat, for real? If so, he deserves nothing but our ridicule.
pupsenok 10 months ago
I really think you missed the point of this entire thing. The community that Dan has made is based on discussion and debate, but your cynical and frankly disrespectful response to him putting his opinion up seems to be solely based on the fact that he dropped out. He didn't drop out because he was dispassionate or lazy, it wasn't working for him. I go to school, and I personally agree with him completely. I have learnt more interesting things OUTSIDE of school than I have useful things in it.
raggamuffins13 10 months ago
@RyBenBros I mean seriously. He's being a dick.
KonguAwesome 10 months ago
Finally, my two cents: Having done a BA and an MA, with a year in between, and living in a uni town, a higher proportion of my friends and acquaintances than most people have gone to uni.
Even if their degree is completely unrelated to their career, even if they are doing something they could have done at 16, I don't know ANYONE who graduated from uni and regretted going.
I do, however, know people who either didnt go at all, or dropped out of uni - and still regret this fact years later x
Zarathustratosphere 10 months ago
Some people thought this video was too 'pissy'. I, however, am firmly in the "Bitchslap thoroughly deserved". This clown got himself a university education, something most people on the planet can only dream of. One might naively suppose he'd be grateful for the opportunity he's getting. But nope.
Whenever I hear that pretentious and patronising phrase "My schooling was getting in the way of my education", I just want to vomit.
Zarathustratosphere 10 months ago
while not everyone can be educated in big schools. i my self have being told to consider becoming disiple and learing by doing. that might be impossible in usa but where i live it is possiple. now thunderfoot is right. education is never wasted. like aronra he does little mistakes and usualy corrects them laters on.
gooddarkjedi 11 months ago
All right,
First, dan is not a moron - his YouTube career is becoming more and more successful by the day. I think his current format is a clear sign of his genius.
Dan did make a mistake by calling out on public universities just because they couldn't support what HE was passionate about. If you're passionate about the sciences, you kinda need a degree. Thunderf00t is right on this point.
OddOneOwt 11 months ago
BANG ON MATE, I LOVE THE WAY YOU ARTICULATE AND YOUR IMPECCABLE LOGIC BUT I THINK I GET THE GIST OF WHAT DAN IS SAYING DESPITE HIS CONTRADICTIONS. DEGREES AND KNOWLEDGE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS
THERE IS ACQUIRED SKILL AND THERE IS ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE. OR BOOK LEARNIN
TheDano1947 11 months ago
dan tells us to become autodidacts
Chachaman111 11 months ago
Thunderf00t, can I have the ISBN of that book? Or name and author? (volume?)
Poleschs 1 year ago
Yup. I think before teaching someone you need to teach him/her why he or she needs to learn.
viicISrotcib 1 year ago
Wow...pretentious bullshit.
Nice job at getting into a hissyfit while missing the point.
Clutch28 1 year ago
a sutpid question, what does TF says at 4 43?
LevaniaDaemon 1 year ago
@LevaniaDaemon These are people that are needed by industry, that's what's driving it
krankenshaft 1 year ago
@krankenshaft
thank you! sorry, my english sucks ;_;
LevaniaDaemon 1 year ago
While I agree with most points Thunderf00t made , I also agree with the top rated comments on this video (xaveir14) ... TF please take the time to watch this video: watch?v=aEFKfXiCbLw
killerinstinct1337 1 year ago
I think you had a valid point, but criticizing the source, the person and his actions doesn't mean to disregard his opinion.
66CrtS 1 year ago
Thunderf00t, I love it when you talk about education. Its like Gurren Lagann, but with science!
papabungle 1 year ago
Schools in this country are indoctrination into the system. IF you can get loans (not all of us have $ for college), you'll be in debt & working in the machine for years. The elite use the tool of debt to own our future. I know many people who owe $60k for their education; yet the economy is currently such crap they're lucky to land a min. wage job. I've met many college educated idiots who know less about science/math than I - yet think themselves a genius because of the degree.
Revellica 1 year ago
i liked this video TF! Wat a dumb kid.
bbenally88 1 year ago
that dan guy reminds me of glenn beck. What a moron, he might have had a point but he ruins it.
thesparitan 1 year ago
I've got a maths degree and I agree with Dan much more than with Thunderf00t. School was at best memorizing facts - actually it was more about breaking one's spirit. University is much better, but only certain subjects. Maths is awesome, but not overly useful. Look at the meteorology for an example of a "hard" science that's deteriorated into mysticism. Thunderf00t, you're the good reason of why so many Americans distrust intellectuals.
john42t 1 year ago 2
He woudnt last long if he only cares for facts, thats a fact :P
speakwithdeath 1 year ago
I'm guessing that Dan's idea of college as "we just memorize facts" stems from the fact that he was in one of those majors like history or something that doesn't have much of a practical application other than learning events and names.
rafaravioli 1 year ago
There's one part where Thunderf00t absolutely fails.
We take suggestions from "educated" people, they tell us how to run healthcare, education, the economy, social systems, YET, all of these things are getting worse and worse and worser still. Thunderf00t is trying to define education as something that can only be acquired from a University and that the only thing that can possibly symbolize that you have an education is a degree... which is a complete failure.
TheManiacalSatanist6 1 year ago 2
Is it me or is this the kind of idiot that are trying to teach kids today and just ignores what the kids want and how the world is changing and stays with his old habits?
Xyllianos 1 year ago
hmm, this is an interesting issue. I think when it all comes down to it, it really depends on the field. I cannot think of majors for jobs like cashiers, plumbers, carpenters, and other blue collar jobs. Art jobs are also "skills-based" more that education-based in a way.
Maybe it's an issue of getting more hands-on experience.
ManOfDeath567 1 year ago
I lol'ed when you held up the textbook. that was funny!
ManOfDeath567 1 year ago
fuckin asshole
TheWhiteKid22 1 year ago
"Get a parrot". PWNED.
marco171180 1 year ago
o.o I was not sure if I wanted to go to college, simply because I don't know exactly what I wanna do with my life. Dan's explanation of University actually made me want to go. And Thunderf00t's awesome physics comparison made me really like the idea of being a physicist or maybe a psychologist.
TakedaDoujin 1 year ago
i strongly disagree with dan on this issue, crazy.
halflifeproductionz 1 year ago
Since I am in college, I feel I can, to an extent, understand what Dan Brown was actually getting at. It's not the purpose of universities and post-secondary education that he was questioning, but the way it is applied.
I am taking IT: Network Administration, and part of this included taking a course offered by Cisco. There are few who qualify for being an instructor in Canada, and I had (term ended recently) an ABSOLUTE FUCKING JOKE of an instructor. I learned almost nothing from him. See now?
Mythosician06 1 year ago 2
@Mythosician06 Just because you had a bad instructor doesn't mean the entire education system is flawed. All college students have had good and bad instructors. And each instructor teaches in a different way. You'll never have all instructors teach on a power point or from writing on a chalkboard. I've had professors much like the one you described, and I realized the reason I didn't learn anything was my own fault. Not saying the same thing happened to you.
omaha0bugaha 7 months ago
I did not apply my story to everyone in post-sec. I never insinuated that the education system as a whole, as you're pushing, is flawed. Like with just about everything, it's circumstantial. In mine, it was hugely disappointing and ineffective in preparing me for a career.
All I was taught was fact and theory, such as, "ideally, a wired connection achieves speeds several times greater than wireless connections." I went to learn HOW, not what; the PROCESS, not the IDEAL RESULT.
Mythosician06 7 months ago
Thunderf00t, you are a professor right? What subject to you teach? Science? Physics? I am just curious.
LordShadrach 1 year ago
who the fuck is dan and thy is anyone even listening to him, hes just a little prick in his little room in his parents house?! I get more outraged by his audience than dan himself..
Bultish 1 year ago
@Bultish Why? Why do you care so much why we listen to him or watch him? You're not affected in the least by us watching him. And so yeah, maybe he "lives in a little room in his parents house" but what are you? His dad? Do you pay for him to stay in his parents house? No. So stop messing with people you don't have any knowldege about.
Emi183 1 year ago
im starting to wonder why tfoot doesent have his own TV show yet
Hypastpist 1 year ago
@Hypastpist Because he's a humorless bastard :)
And because he's a bit too rude. He doesn't care in the least about people's feelings, but that's ok... almost no one does these days.
Emi183 1 year ago
@Emi183 humorless bastards make the best documentery narrarators especialy if they have british accents
Hypastpist 1 year ago
I think that you made to big a point of how he dropped out, sure it was a bad decision but I just think that was a bit overboard. He also mentioned that he could still go back if he wanted to even though he probably won't for a while because of Youtube. Even if he didn't completely go through college doesn't mean that he can't be smart by any means. College is important but that doesn't mean that you can't go to a college online for instance which is the same as getting information from internet
pologatch 1 year ago
Oh dear Dan! You have just made a big mistake.... Wait until you need to find work, should be interesting to see what employer takes you on.
I’m 44, still going to night classes for Japanese. Why? Because although the information I need can be found on the internet/CDs, learning from a teacher and sharing group work and exposure is still the best way of learning. Even distance learning has its merits....
Dropping out for his reasons are not a logical reason to give up on life.
ParkSouthSW11 1 year ago
@ParkSouthSW11 i know plenty of idiots like him. Think they're too smart for school and they're better off without it. It's too bad too because they are smart, the problem is they're not as smart as they think they are. It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure, that just ain't so
rodrommel 1 year ago
@rodrommel - Oh well, it’s just going to be a shock for them when at 35 they are still flipping burgers....
I know Lord Sugar started off as a school dropout and is now a billionaire but he started off working on a London’s Eastend market and always had a head for business/money.....
Until like Dan who seems to be willing to chase 'Sky Daddies' instead of gaining knowledge....
ParkSouthSW11 1 year ago
I can honestly say as a senior in college that most of my time has been a waste. I will not say that college is a waste, it really depends on your major. I am majoring in public relations and every class has been horrible and uneducational. However I am minoring in German and my experience has been nothing but fantasic.
AndrewDangerously 1 year ago
u s0 cule, i say scince suaks an u get madbro lawl.
srs bsns
TearsOfASadClown 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
AY FAG KNOW IT ALL! !!
Samissocoollike1 1 year ago