Body, Soul & Spirit - The Jesus Trip with John Crowder

[Kondi106]

So what do You think about Andrew Wommack teaching about Spirit, Soul & Body :)? When he is talking about soul like a buffer between spirit and body , a valve that can stop You from experiencing glory of salvation, when it is closed by wrong thinking. :)?

[GotMilkFilms]

haha OMD your such a friken legend! Good stuff, love you bro!!!

[knownbeforetime]

You have blown my mind with this. Maybe just as we have organs and organ systems our spirits are made of many complex parts and they all have a different function. :D

[PlatypusCarnival]

I've recently been introduced to you & Ben Dunn's teachings. I come from a somewhat religious b/g and thought Christianity was all about rules/religion... when I first got saved I went through a deliverance seminar & lots of inner healing counseling.

I'm starting to see that I have not really understood the Gospel/what happened on the cross. If I find myself struggling with depression or anxiety, religious folks tell me I need soul healing. What do u suggest? Learning more about the cross?

[elvenranger04]

@PlatypusCarnival

i suggest putting focus on christ/kingdom living in you. this is joy,love, peace, holiness, glory. depression n stuff wont fit into there. u can ask it to go away in jesus name

blesses

[santipauli1]

thanks John. Keep that teaching flowing, we need more of the Bible and less of religious principles.

[buddyd007]

what ever happen to aurorainthedesert ?

[jessearmas]

hey John!

I was wondering what your thoughts are on 1 Cor. 9:27 which says "But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified."

I'm not trying to disagree with you, I just don't know how to explain that verse to people who oppose what we believe about the new creation, separation from the flesh and sin nature, etc.

<3

[SonsofThunderPub]

@jessearmas Hey there! Looks like Paul is just talking about basic self control. Don't think he was literally bruising himself! LOL But you have to remember that "self-control" is really "Spirit-control." It's a fruit of the Spirit, not a fruit of yourself. That means it's "God-produced." At the end of the day, if self controls self, then whose control are we under?

Also, Paul is not suggesting you still have a sinful nature to wrestle down. Blessings!!

[FatCalfMinistries]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! Hey! What do you know? ITS GOOD NEWS!! lol haha. He actually did it and does it all for us! THANKS JOHN!

[bishoygendi]

Thanks john! Hahaha Jesus is so LOVELY!!!

[steihlvoice]

Awesome Message!!!!!!!

[danielraysir]

love it!

btw, I noticed that you sometimes seem rushed to meet the 11 minute youtube mark... I personally wouldn't mind if you put a Jesus Trip up with 2 parts... or 100 parts. I'd gladly watch them all. :D

[LisaAnneW]

thank you! I've been trying to say this for a couple of years and people look at me like I have two heads. :) :)

I studied and studied the greek and hebrew on spirit/soul and body and came to the exact same conclusions!! PLEASE keep saying this, lol, it's SO RIGHT ON!!!!!!!! :) :) :) Great to know historically that the church taught/thought that!

[Aurobindesbois]

What's the matter at 6'30 ? !!! Please...

[eeeirik]

2Cor 7:1 revolves around the same "hagios", meaning holiness, sanctified, but adds: "Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." KJames, check it!

"Teleo", perfecting or bring to conclusion, is where one could get the idea of a process of growing in the likeness of Christ.

Kinda like 1Cor 9:27 too, where Paul responds to f.ex. a "bad thought" by forcing his mind into submission, or like Rom 7:18. What do you think?

[SonsofThunderPub]

@eeeirik Good discussion guys. Glad to talk about this kind of stuff, because the real scandal is the finished work of the cross! It provokes all the do-it-yourself religion, and is by far the rock of offense :)

In the verse you mentioned, "cleanse ourselves" is not a good translation. This is why I am a translation addict :) The word for "cleanse" here is katharizó and means declare clean. Speak truth over yourself. Be who you are. Dont do naughty things.

[eeeirik]

@SonsofThunderPub Thx for your replies!I'm using Strong's, and it just says katharizó= to cleanse (literally or figuratively): - (make) clean (-se), purge, purify. I'm totally with you on being who we are. One can't get more righteous than Jesus is FOR us, but S. is making us increasingly holy and glorious. Not as a criteria to get saved (that would be religion) but because once you pop you can't stop :) A loving rebuke like 2Cor 10:6 to an experienced brother would be part of that process, no?

[SonsofThunderPub]

@eeeirik But if you take it even a step further, Paul is not even talking about an individual perfection here in 2Cor.7:1. Back up to the last verses of the previous chapter (there were no chapter breaks when he wrote it). Paul was talking about unhealthy yoking together with unbelievers in the church. In context, that was the filthiness he wanted purged. Not talking about a dirty soul realm here for a real Christian. He loved nonbelievers too, of course, but the point was the negative influence

[eeeirik]

@SonsofThunderPub I kinda feel the whole book of 2Cor is building up to the climax of 2Cor 13:5. Don't wanna make this too long a conversation (but come hang in Norway sometime) but I draw a line to Gal 5:16, 25 and Gal6:1. Isn't he saying that it's possible for a believer to live in the flesh, even with the Spirit. But that one shouldn't? Not thinking of a dirty soul (kinda new phrase to me) but a dirty flesh. Bless<<

[bishoygendi]

Thanks john, one more question. What did the writer of Hebrews mean in heb 4:12- when he said that the word "pierces to the division" of soul and spirit?

[SonsofThunderPub]

@bishoygendi Glad you mentioned this. Meant to bring it up in the video, but was right at the 11 min. mark. Again, I seriously don't care if we're 2 parts, 3 parts or a million parts! I just know the main thing is that His work is complete and we're enjoying it :) So not trying to defend bipartite over tripartite. Just saying there's not much scripture on it, so we shouldn't make a big theological paradigm for cleaning up a part of ourselves up that He accomplished. That said, here's my take ...

[SonsofThunderPub]

Heb. 4:12 definitely gets used as a secondary verse to support the tripartite thing. I just think we have to ask when he talks about this "division" is it literal or figurative? What's Paul's real point? If it is poetic, should we really build a big "soul purge" doctrine out of it? The terms living/active, soul/spirit, joints/marrow, thoughts/intentions aren't strict opposites, but collected synonym pairs, used in parallel for poetic emphasis. Those are just my thoughts! Ha! Happy Bible huffing!

[free1here]

colossians 3:9-11 ESV

9Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. 11 Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave,free; but Christ is all, and in all.

taken from the website of Biblegateway

[free1here]

colossians 3:9-11 ESV

9Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. 11 Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave,free; but Christ is all, and in all.

[kuiperscreations]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[berserker213]

A pastor friend of mine taught it as there being 3 parts, but the spirit and soul are so intertwined with each other that they make up what's referred to as "the heart". this is some good meat here buddy :D

[berserker213]

@berserker213 Also, I read Hebrews 2:9-11 where it says God saw it fit to bring many sons to glory, and to make Jesus perfect in suffering - Jesus suffered for is, and through that we were brought to the shing ding ding. Why should we have to make ourselves suffer needlessly in a vain attempt to reach some level of "perfection" in our faith when Jesus already whipped that part of the thing.

People can do what they want; I'm content riding Jesus' coattails into the Kingdom :D

[radicallyaltered]

Lotsa heavy shoobie on this one John. Boing! : )

[bishoygendi]

Thanks john, great teaching. So I guess Christians have the capacity to sin, not because they have an imperfect soul, but because of deception? But isn't our mind also perfect now that we've been saved? So how can we be deceived if we're perfect? I'm pretty sure your teaching right, there's eternal life on it. I just don't get it all yet...

[SonsofThunderPub]

Remember Adam and Eve were perfect, but they still sinned. The problem is when we say "I'll always be a sinner" or "nobody's perfect" or "I'm only human." Paul makes it clear in 2 Cor. 5 that you are no longer an Adamite, but a New Creation. Your perfection is not based on your performance, but on His. If my body sins, it is not because I'm a sinner, but because I am deceived about my true identity. If my mind thinks a bad thought like "I'm a sinner," it is the thought that is evil, not the mind

[Hillbillykid2000]

Yes , good one I really do like that ! Shaka boing !

[Jahlove297]

Hey John! I love you buddy! You think Paul was alluding to the OT Temple when He says "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit" (1Cor.6:19). The OT temple had 3 parts: Outer court (body), Inner Court (soul), and Holy Place (spirit). If there is no process, or morphing from going to glory in metamorphosis, why does Paul say clearly there is in 2 Cor. 3:18?

-Pirate

[SonsofThunderPub]

@Jahlove297 Love you too ... I was taught that too about the 3 parts, and maybe it's true. But now I wonder if we've misread or read too deeply into Paul's analogy. Just said we are "temples" that He lives in individually. At other times, he said each of us is a stone in that house. We're also the lampstand within it. Maybe each analogy should just be an image taken by itself.

[SonsofThunderPub]

@Jahlove297 Paul said the Holy of Holies represents heaven itself, God's dwelling place, that Christ entered into. He is also the veil that is torn giving access (Hebrews 9:24-26). The Holy of Holies is a perfect square, just like the New Jerusalem. There could be lots of intricate layers to all this. And we do know that Moses' tabernacle wouldn't be restored with its veil, but David's would be - no formulas or rituals, just open access between God and man (amos 9:11).

[SonsofThunderPub]

@Jahlove297 We know David's tent is not the "end time prayer movement' but that it was restored on the cross. We're definitely moving from glory to glory -- maturing, growing in revelation. But that doesn't imply we are imperfect. Babies are perfect, but they still grow. At the end of the day, the renewal of the mind is growing in a knowledge of the good news. Knowing what the person of Christ accomplished, rather than what we have to do. Knowing who we already are and who He is in us.

[SonsofThunderPub]

@Jahlove297 Our mind is being renewed to the realization that we already have "the mind of Christ". Just prior to this temple analogy here, Paul says: But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God (1 Cor. 6:11). That's the main thing - the main theme of the gospels. To the degree we stay on track with this, and all its beautiful ramifications, I think we avoid the charismatic do-do! Love you big boy! Booshkie!

[SonsofThunderPub]

@Jahlove297 One other thing to note on this ... your "body" is a temple he said. He was talking in relation to physical sexual acts people were doing to defile their bodies. He's not talking about body/soul/spirit there, but your physical flesh. Your body is a container of God - contains the very Kingdom of Heaven.

[jessearmas]

I don't believe any part of us is "bad". But it is biblical that a perfect new creation can have "un-renewed thinking" which some call the part of your "soul" that needs "cleaning". But besides bad thinking, which may result in bad decisions(will) and negative emotions, we are perfect images of God. We just need to believe the truth about who we are.

[GabrielGroverMan]

RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

though i do have one question/concern. David sounds full Gospel, Spirit filled, evangelistic, REAL Christian. But then he seems to endorse 'toking up' the Holy Spirit by passing invisible 'joints' around or some of his followers do 'coke' lines on the Bible... I understand getting drunk in the Spirit, i love it, but when we start using imaginary drugs/imaginary/movements for representing the anointing, isn't that looking like the world?... am i wrong or misinformed?

[Hillbillykid2000]

@GabrielGroverMan try doing it and see if the devil jumps up and grabs you . Then you will know yourself !

[GabrielGroverMan]

@Hillbillykid2000 thats really bad advice... "go jump off a cliff and see if it kills you". Satan works by deception, not jumping up and grabbing people.

[Hillbillykid2000]

@GabrielGroverMan okay then , I toke the ghost and my baby Jesus . Jesus Christ has come in the flesh .

[gavinmarkray]

Really good...

[timothyfolsom]

Awesome teaching! Blessings John! Sheeka boomba!

[LeastOfAllSaints123]

FuN! so he said something like lets create man in our image. triune Godhead triune manhead

[SonsofThunderPub]

@LeastOfAllSaints123 Yep ... Which of the Godhead is corrupt? LOL

[LeastOfAllSaints123]

@SonsofThunderPub He is absolutely Perfect! we were some dead people on our way to some more death but he jumped in and did all the dying for us. Now we are AliVe FrOm ThE DeaD raised up and made fully alive by his GLory! mmm this Glory good news Gospel. i like when you put them 3 circles together you get 7 sections like with the primary colors and right in the middle you get that Glory Bling Ray pure living light and that blood mmm that light you drink and he fills your being till you glow

[Hillbillykid2000]

@SonsofThunderPub none of them are ! Just like me !