Mccain has No Style & No Substance @ Presidential Debate

[ratskan]

Fun to go back and watch these old videos. I didn't see Obama trying to NOT lead the attack on Libya.... why again?? What does Libya have to do with us besides Qaddafi being a complete douche. Well, Kim Jong is also a complete douche... let's go get them too while we are at it and leave our nation completely defenseless. Sure Russia and China or Iran would absolutely salivate over that.

[FugitiveSp00n]

so wut if McCain is not that great a speaker. u dont vote on who is the better speaker and thats wut a lot of ppl do

[robzo3]

Thank you sir! Know I know somebody is actually thinking!

[murtari]

Repugmocrats come and Repugmocrats go. Bush Admin sucked, but Obama's will blow. Vote for McCain, the slightly lesser of two evils.

[snarksterkid]

Unlike Bush, Obama likes to be surrounded by smart, educated people.

[eheidi7]

Have you noticed how smart and nice most Obama supporters are? They seem to talk with such skill and no vulger words. I pray.....yes pray that MCAIN WINS if does not it is from the fake votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[snarksterkid]

eheidi7 - 1st off if you support McCain and can't spell his name right, then please stop posting comments. It makes you and your republican party look like idiots.

Well I guess you can say the same for McCain's supporters. Calling Obama the N word, a terrorist and talks of demanding his assasination.

Obama/Biden 08

[FegrusMojo]

And now, 6 months later after your comment, he is trying to take away your guns, trying to take away your 5th amendment, trying to take away your rights. 6 months later do YOU STILL believe his LIES of 'change' when the 'change' is DESTORYING the USA way of life and has not changed anything but made it all WORSE?

I am NOT from the USA and have no family ties there etc. It is a TOTAL disgrace against freedom and horrifying what is now happening in the USA-a once 'FREE' country for all US people!

[robzo3]

Hey jackass, look how much of an idiot Obama made of himself now? He. hasn't. done. shit. One big joke who acts like a Hollywood celebrity not a leader. You think Obama has done ANYTHING and let me know. Liberal/democrats are a joke. You believe so firmly he will fix th ings, all he can do is present as a glib speaker and trick dumbasses like yourself. Obama is the scam of the century and people like you think he's a political genious! Do me a favor and do something helpful to society

[anryth]

@snarksterkid you think ben bernanke is smart? you think hilary clinton is smart? you think timothy geithner is smart? you think rahm emanuel is smart? you think that joe biden is smart? you must be fucking crazy.

some of them may be well educated, but that doesnt mean that they are smart. it only means that they are really good at regurgitating lies.

[dakrus]

If Bush was a failure, then how could doing the same thing (McCain) help?

[Goldhelmriel]

I know you like to pretend that people who don't work don't look "like you", but the largest percentage of poor in this country are children (children of white women). Its disgusting the Repugs would actually increase funding Medicare for seniors while voting AGAINST increasing CHIP for children (who can do nothing to help themselves and are our most vulnerable). I feel for anyone who is poor, but its unimaginable that the Repugs would pander to those who vote, and leave kids out in the cold.

[Goldhelmriel]

All you STFU about China or North Korea or Cuba! Nobody is wanting to turn America into one of those countries. You just look like more of an asshole making that claim.

Its a ridiculous argument to claim that its either the U.S. way of doing things or totally dictatorial communism.

But our system is not perfect either & some things need to be done if you want to continue living in a 'great' country. You have your head in the sand if you don't realize this fact.

[Timebandit720]

McCain & Palin? Rather have Laurel & Hardy.

[PensionBuilder]

Some more socialists.WOW, Did I see the same debate as the idiot main stream media. I think that the debate post show people should be shut down. I'm from Toronto Canada(The Canadain centre of stupid liberal socialts ) and we have a Mayor exactly like Heussain Obama. Obama is a Marxist.Our Mayor is a Marxist also.Good luck down there with your redistribution of wealth. We kicked our marxists out for another 4years up here in Canada. I'll pray for you Marxist.

[Goldhelmriel]

Seems like the only reply lately from conturds is to call ppl socialists &/or Marxists. Same old tired rhetoric that will not work this time.

[PensionBuilder]

Hey Marxist.

I'm pretty sure redistribution of wealth is right out of the Marxist doctrine.

It will be tough for us 33 million to economically prop up up your 300 or so mil but we'll give it a shot since we do not beleive in Carl's doctrine. ( except in Toronto where businesses are leaving in droves to get outside of our Marxist mayors reach). Anyway I as I said we will pray for you Marxists down there because if Heussain gets in you are going to need 25 years to repair it.

[Goldhelmriel]

So its not the Marxist doctrine to 'spread the wealth' of hardworking working/middle class citizens to save a bunch of rich assholes?

If there were 33 million people in the U.S. making over $250K annually, our country would be just fine. But there are not & that is the problem. You are just talking out of your ass. Stay out of our debate, otherwise I'll gladly change places with you in your socialist O Canada- where I'm headed if McInsane gets elected.

You pray for me, I will think for you.

[pimpdalyrical]

We have redistribution of wealth in this country already, it's called a PAYCHECK! You can have all the Bill Gates money you want, just get an education, make yourself worth something, and go work for Microsoft! He will even provide you with the kind of quality healthcare you could never afford on your own! The difference is that Microsoft has to worry about competition. Socialist governments are under no obligation to not treat you like shit.

[Goldhelmriel]

"redistribution of wealth in this country=PAYCHECK!"

WTF!?! No, paychecks are payment for work you do, not a handout or 'freebie' from the wealthy.

"just get an education, make yourself worth something, and go work for Microsoft!"

Just that easy huh? Nevermind that such jobs are scarce compared to the jobseekers out there. If EVERYONE is educated, we will all be competing for the same jobs & needed/vital menial jobs won't get done (especially with the anti-immigration fanatics).

[pimpdalyrical]

Jobs for the educated are only scarce when some factor comes along that keeps businesses from reinvesting their profits into manpower and innovation. Like when profits are taken as taxes before they can do any real good. Some people will end up on the bottom, as long as those in the middle have disposable income, they too will have jobs. It takes a rich guy to need maids, cooks, painters, car washers etc. Tax cuts created the tech boom, tax increase destroyed it!

[Goldhelmriel]

"Socialist governments are under no obligation to not treat you like shit"

Yeah, its really 'shitty' to have access to healthcare just b/c you are human, or not having to go bankrupt b/c a family got really sick, or to not have to choose between putting food on your table or your medication, or have to cross over the border for affordable medication, or have paid time off for true family-values benefits like staying at home with your child.

Socialist governments are such assholes!

[pimpdalyrical]

Why don't you look up how many socialist governments have lived up to those promises. Most of them are guilty of numerous human rights violations and poverty levels that leave people starving to death! you have been sold a bill of goods here! Yeah, it sounds good, I just don't believe any politician that says it! Not to mention it just doesn't work out economically.

[pigme2222]

What do you have against these so called "rich assholes." Did you get canned at work by some "rich asshole" or something, and are all bitter at them?

Good, move to Canada, we really dont need you hear. Democracy's fail when people find out that they can vote themselves benifits from the nations treasury.....ie universal health care, ect.....

Move to Cuba, let see where you are wanting to take us. Get off your lazy ass and make something of your life and become a "rich asshole"!

[Goldhelmriel]

"What do you have against these so called "rich assholes?"

Um, b/c they're assholes.

"Did you get canned at work by some rich asshole, & are all bitter at them?"

Nope, I have a very good job & a GOOD income, & don't mind paying my fair share of taxes to help others out, alleviate suffering, & help others have the American dream. I worked hard for success, but others helped me (none of us does it alone), & feel its my obligation to to pay it forward. Rich yes, greedy selfish asshole- NO.

[PensionBuilder]

You are a typical liberal socialist cry baby.You have much to learn.You fit in with the doom and gloomers of the main stream media and your apathey comes though clearly.You live in a land of great opportunity as do we here in Canada. We are very blessed and people like yourself have the same opportunities but are not aware of them. Change your thinking and stop hoping for government to fix your challenges. Sory I forgot you like big government and hence you like the baby boy Obama.

[Goldhelmriel]

"Good, move to Canada, we really dont need you hear. Move to Cuba, let see where you are wanting to take us. Get off your lazy ass and make something of your life and become a "rich asshole"!"

Thanks for the relocating advice, but I'm doing just fine here & obviously with a-holes like you, our country does need people like me who realize the obligations of living in a society. Since you hate paying your obligations to society so much, go live on some 'self sufficent' deserted island.

[Goldhelmriel]

"Democracy's fail when people find out they can vote themselves benifits from the nations treasury.....ie universal health care, ect....."

Ddemocracies fail when division b/t the rich & poor is so high, & people care more about being labelled commie or socialist vs. caring that fellow citizens have no access to health care(or going bankrupt b/c of healthcare) or don't have a decent meal on their tables & just ASSume its because 'those people' are lazy. Why belong to a 'great' country at all?

[OhBoyAMarxistAmerica]

Point of fact, goldhelmriel, only 14% of the working population makes in excess of 250K annually. Thus, increasing only their taxes, as Saint Obama proposes will not mathematically work. So, just exactly how does one raise ONLY their taxes and still provide less taxation for everyone else that actually has a job and also provide a check to those who pay no taxes currently.

As far as you going to Canada WHEN McCain wins, don't let the door slam you on your ass on the way out. Good riddance.

[Goldhelmriel]

Good point- only 14% makes 250K annually. So why the hell are do so many idiots think

McCain's plan is better for them personally?

But major problems with BOTH candidates' economic proposals! The repeal of Bush's tax cuts (part of Obama's plan actually includes this), but both of them are being disingenuous in their lack of 'straight talk' with the American public with what we will have to give up to balance the budget.

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[Goldhelmriel]

You claim Obama's plan unlikley, but McCain's plan is even LESS likely & more ridiculous- balancing the budget while keeping Bush cuts, plus not raising ANYONE'S taxes- McCain's pipe dream.

[Goldhelmriel]

BTW- under Obama, most of those receiving tax cuts actually work. "check for those who pay no taxes" the alternative is increasing social programs or letting people die in the streets...wonder which you propose?

"As far as you going to Canada WHEN McCain wins, don't let the door slam you on your ass on the way out. Good riddance." That is looking less and less likely, so fuck you...hahahahaha! I'll stay & fight for those whom you enjoy kicking while they are down.

[OhBoyAMarxistAmerica]

I don't see people "dieing in the streets". At least not from starvation as you insinuate. Further, the "Bush tax cuts for the wealthy" affected ANYONE making $28,000 or more. And when they were put into action, govt revenues increased 20%. Simple economics: the govt actually makes more money by the people EXCHANGING money for goods and services in taxation. Punishing people for success is counterproductive. I enjoy "kicking" no one, except liberal blatherers, like you. Enjoy Canada.

[Goldhelmriel]

If you don't see ppl dying from poverty, you're not looking hard enough. Try volunteering at a homeless shelter or an ER sometime- you will see it clearly.

Enjoy killing my ass.

[FegrusMojo]

Muppet, can you say 'DoH!' ?

[PensionBuilder]

I personally don't want another Communist up here; I'd prefer you just stay down there or maybe head over to China,North Korea...etc.

That way they can take 100% of your money and you should be in heaven. I'm don't make over $250k/year but obviuosly I'm still an ass hole. I really am stunned that there are people as truly stupid and uninformed as yourself in this day and age. Again good luck with that redistributing deal.

[Goldhelmriel]

"I personally don't want another Communist up here; I really am stunned that there are people as truly stupid and uninformed as yourself in this day and age"

I'm stunned there are people so clueless about the realities of daily & just how much poverty exists in our so-called great North American society. I bet you don't bitch nearly as much when you are taking advantage of the healthcare system up there- at least you have a goddamn line! Down here you don't get seen if you have no green.

[FordGuy100]

Same goes for all the libs basically getting of to the words: Obama; Change; ect....

Plus you are watching MSNBC, you cant tell me thats biased (oh, I forget of course it isnt, fox news on the other hand.....)

I cant stand god damned liberals. I like my own DAMNED MONEY. You can take my F'n money if'n you want but I'm going to put up a fight for it.

Just another guy who clings to his guns and religion.........

[Goldhelmriel]

So you make over $250K a year right. Otherwise you are just another working class or middle class dumbass is fighting for rich people in order to thumb your nose at marxism. Spread the wealth upwards (ala $700 billion bailout), but not a mere 3% increase in taxes right?

You cling to stupidity.

[pigme2222]

No I do not make over that. What all you god damned libs forget is the "rich" are the people who provide jobs, you think the guy who sits at an onramp with a sign asking for money creates jobs? No is the upper class. They are shipping jobs overseas because of all the damn regulations over here, and this is coming from a small business owners child. You would be nieve to think that the trickle down effect is false.

I was against the bailout dumbass, I wanted the market to correct itself.

[Goldhelmriel]

"shipping jobs overseas because of all the damn regulations over here. You would be nieve to think that the trickle down effect is false."

They ship jobs over seas b/c the availability of cheap labor & lax environmental standards. Pesky little regs like no slave labor (if $5 plus some chump change is not slavery) & no environmental pollution. Poor babies- regulations are so oppressive! Rich are not entitled to a certain profit above all else- where is that written?

LOL @ trickle down

[Goldhelmriel]

Small business owners are not guilty or less guilty of this b/c they actually have to face their employees on a day to day basis & they do not have the capital to provide their employees with as many benefits. What has screwed healthcare in this country (and businesses) in this country is the expectation that access to healthcare be provided by employers- it is bankrupting GM.

[OhBoyAMarxistAmerica]

Goldhelmriel:

Very good argument you make against "universal healthcare". The the USA will eventually face the same problems that GM faces now. Universal healthcare on top of the 40% of our Federal budget that is currently spent on other entitlements will bankrupt the US taxpayer as well.

What do you get when you cross the DMV with an emergency room? Universal healthcare.

So, hotshot, how exactly does your sainted Obama think we'll pay for this? Simple voodoo economics.

McCain-Palin '08

[Goldhelmriel]

GM faces those problems that govts who enact universal healthcare do not, for a variety of reasons:

1.Administrative costs for managed care are very high b/c of the effort & resources used to DENY claims.

2. Risk pools are smaller, thus driving up premiums for all. Univ HC would expand risk pool & reduce costs of Medicare.

3. Universal hc typically has price controls- which is why Medicare(with MMA) will be fiscally insolvent way before Social Security-no price controls to drug co's.

[Goldhelmriel]

"Good luck down there with your redistribution of wealth."

Yeah, we are gonna need it b/c $700 billion dollars is a lot of money.

[pimpdalyrical]

I swear, you must sleep with MSNBC on so that your conscious mind can't filter out the bullshit! The $700 billion is going to keep the middle class from losing their retirement savings, you fucking idiot! Once in a while, try reading a book that doesn't have pictures in it!

[Goldhelmriel]

"The $700 billion is going to keep the middle class from losing their retirement savings, you fucking idiot! Once in a while, try reading a book that doesn't have pictures in it!"

My point is $700billion=socialism for the rich, & people bitch about $900 for the poor!

Context please

Don't mind the concept of the bailout, but I mind that it was given with very few conditions to have to use it to forgive debt/help people. Read the text of the bill, I promise it has no pictures. And fuck you.

[pimpdalyrical]

If it wasn't for the fact that soo many people's savings would be ruined, I would be against the bailout too. Let the businesses fail. maybe we will learn our lesson and not let government interfere in good business decisions anymore! First rule of economics (same as anything else involving money): leave emotion at the door!