Don't let any preacher lead you into error re baptism and the Holy Spirit. Baptism is so important that Jesus actually got baptised Himself.
Being baptised in Jesus name by full immersion in water & being filled with the Holy Spirit r essential to ones salvation. Read the book of acts a few times, study what the diciples did regarding salvation. Don't let peoples actions put you off who r not walking the Christian walk properly that between them & God. Let God be true & every man a liar.
@jehugodsman In no way is baptism essential for salvation. Salvation is of God, NOT dependent upon man's works... it is merely a symbol. We are completely justified by faith, not by faith and a ceremony.Rom. 5:1 Eph. 2:8 Romans 4:1–11. If we are saved by faith, then we are saved by faith when we believe, not when we get baptized, otherwise we are not saved by faith. I can give numerous examples.. but please dont preach this.
Baptism, was central to Johns the baptists message, Jesus's message and the apostles messsage after Jesus was risen. The Philipean jailor & his whole household were baptised in the middle of the night.
Acts 19 Paul met some diciples & aksed them if they were baptised, they said they were baptsied into Johns baptism. Paul then asked them if they had the Holy Spirit, they said they had not even heard of this. Paul then baptised them in Jesus name& laid hands on them & they spoke in tongues.
Why do I get the feeling that you are a legalist? So let me ask you, do you observe Christmas and Easter? Can you justifiably say that those who aren't water baptized are not saved? Why do I know so many people who have been baptized in the Name Of Christ, yet they curse at work, or are fornicators, etc? If baptism was the "saving grace", the "about face", why are so many who have been baptized, carrying on in a worldly manner? What counts is living a life of LOVE, not one of religion
Correction. Meant to indicate that baptism is our first reaction to faith; not our only reaction (in case any readers read my prior statement as such). Obedience is a reaction. True, we don't have to follow a strict law as the Jews did but there's so much in the new testament by the Apostles that confirm Christianity is a way of life; not just a belief.
Jesus died on the cross for all who believe - BUT -scripture by the Apostles (who He gave authority) teach we are to take that belief and react to it by being baptized. (Mark 16:16) The Epistles are all about Christian living to those who believe. James wrote that faith without works is dead so how to you reconcile with what Jesus said about 'faith only' and the Apostles? Why would the Apostles write commandments if nothing more is required than simple belief?
When one interprets the faith-only scriptures, they dismiss the whole picture by dismissing all the verses that reference water baptism when believing followed by receiving the Holy Spirit. Read the story about the Ethiopian Eunuch and Cornelius, examples of two Gentiles who believed and were baptized in water. Those who believe that faith alone saves bear the burden of explaining why water baptism followed belief in these examples and why it's not applicable today.
For those who believe baptism is essential for salvation...what about deathbed conversions...should you even lead someone to salvation if theirs no water around? Or the thief on the cross? What about television ministries who try to lead people to christ by showing them the way of salvation & the sinners prayer. If your not standing in water with a pastor around should you even pray?
my question is... Do you Believe that John the Baptist is in Heaven and was Saved...I KNOW I DO JOHN THE BAPTIST SAVED AND IN HEAVEN... HOWEVER NEVER BAPTIZED... HE TOLD JESUS TO BAPTIZE HIM AND JESUS DID NOT...if you believe that water baptism is essential for salvation then you also must believe that John The Baptist... is in Hell.... this and the scriptures shared below should be more than enough to prove that water baptism is not needed to be saved and go to heaven...
@MrWadie123 - Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38. Please try to explain those away. "He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved" (the word AND, as in, 1+1=2. Both parts are required to assemble the whole). Why do you make things harder than they are? It's insults to common sense like this that gives our religion an even worse reputation.
"For God so loved the world, that he agave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."John 3:16
I don't see baptism in that.
"thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;" 1 Corinthians 1:14
"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17 (KJV 1900)
@MrWadie123 If Baptism was essential in Salvation Paul basically said:
"Thank God I let none of you except Crispus and Gaius be saved"
"For Christ sent me not to save, but to preach the gospel" The hilarity in this was not only was that Paul's mission, preaching the Gospel of Christ is what saves, remember; "For God so loved the world, that he agave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."?
@MrWadie123 "For Christ sent me not to save, but to save," if carnal baptism was important, if the bathing yourself is important in Christian doctrine why on earth would he do and say that? Peter was referring to carnal baptism when he mention "removal of dirt from flesh" but he said that Baptism only "saves" by the belief in the Resurrection of Christ and the actual happening, baptism in itself is useless.
@MrWadie123 And my final blow, "For by grace are ye saved through FAITH; and that NOT of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 NOT of works, lest any man should boast" Only faith. Not any works like baptism.
@MrWadie123 ""For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17 (KJV 1900) Question: If Paul was sent NOT to baptize, period, did he OBEY this directive? I'd hate to think Paul was sent NOT to baptize, then turned around and disobeyed God and baptized people anyhow. Or is it more like, maybe, that I Cor 1: 17 is an ellipsis?
@seinfan9 "Romans 4:9-11 kind of puts a dagger to the notion that we are saved after being baptized." LOL those verses are talking about circumcision and uncircumcision and never mention repentance or baptism.
well Bibledoctrine ill address eph 4:5 that means i can do nothing to earn by my own merit meaning i cant say i did this or that now i deserve it or to say hey i visit the sick and feed the poor now im going to heaven thats what that means . 1 corith. 12;13 whats your point ? that one spirit is of God . so i must ask that you do reject mark 16;16 or even 1 peter 3 :21 ?
You did not address Eph 4:5 and ICor12:13. Our baptism today is dry one that is performed by the Holy Spirit when He baptizes each believer into the Body of Christ. If we add water baptism then we have two baptism today and that cannot be in light of Eph 4:5. I have posted a video response and hope you will consider the points made in it.
If one can be saved without baptism, then one can be saved outside of Christ (Rom.6:3, Gal.3:27), and without having remission of sins (Acts 3:38), without having sins washed away (Acts 22:16).
Stop fighting the word of God and "arise, and be baptized and wash away your sins" (Acts 22:16) because "baptism doth also now save us" (1Pet.3:21).
Salvation is "IN" Christ (2Tim.2:10), We are baptized "INTO" Christ (Gal.3:27, Ro.6:3). Until we are baptized into Christ, we are outside of Christ.
@3161029 john 3:3. so that means if your not baptized you aint goin to heaven
mathew 7:21 so just cause you have faith and say god is your father well you know. heck even demons believe and tremble. so if thats true whats the difference between us and them if faith saves us. also baptism is an effect of faith so why not just get baptized already
Jesus was referring to spiritual baptism in John 3:3 because of what he said in 3:6. Flesh gives birth to flesh - natural childbirth. Spirit gives birth - Spiritual baptism.
I agree that believers must get baptized to be obedient to God, but it still doesn't save you.
@3161029 We should not forget the baptism of Jesus in the river of Jordan, and what happen when he came out the water. And John statement to Jesus," I have need to be baptist of thee". John 3:5 Jesus answered , Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of the water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
The meaning of John 3:5 is explained in John 3:6. Flesh gives birth to flesh obviously means natural childbirth.
If we are saved by repenting and accepting Jesus as our savior, why do people think that the act of baptism saves us? I do believe that believer's baptism is very important and that every believer that is not baptized is dis-honoring God.
I don't think that John that Baptist was baptized, or the thief on the cross.
@3161029 Understand that John the Baptist and the man on the cross, both lived under the age of law, not grace or the church age. We are responsible for salvation in our age. If we get back to living in our age, we won't get confused. Scriptures that God deals with ages or dispensations. Ephesians 1:10, 2:6-9, 3:5-6,21. Colossians 1:26-27. Study the seven dispensations. type it in on here. God bless! Jesus Christ is coming for his church and many will be left behind. Acts 2:38 is God's plan.
@3161029 U are being a false prophet and don't know it. Baptism do save us today. Scripture 1 Peter 3:20-21. What do that scripture shows? People are getting themselves in a lot of trouble with God, because they are just saying things without any experience and studying the whole matter. If one lead people the wrong way, they will go to hell and lead people with them. People just need to obey Acts 2:38 Period. That's the way God set it up for all people. It's your choice.
@aguirremarvin Amen Amen LOL that is so true. It's a shame how people are being so deceived. Just get saved according to the way it was done in the book of Acts and live the life. Acts 2:41, they gladly received the word and was baptized. They didn't ask, what if this and what if that. They got baptized because they believed. They ask, what about the man on the cross? That man lived under the age of law, before the church got started. They need to stay in their own age or dispensation.
@3161029 what exact scriptures refer to spiritual baptism and I'll give you exact scripture for baptism(immersed in water). If faith and grace saves one, what happened to repentance and confession? You made need to study, RIGHTLY dividing the word of God.
Hey, I'm on your side. There is no need to criticize me. Those who believe in a "works based" salvation are on the wrong side. I know about repentance and confession and I have done much bible study.
@3161029 U know there's a work of righteousness and a work of faith. Titus 3:5, and James 2:14-26. One says, it's not by works of righteousness, giving to the poor etc. The other says, faith without works is dead. There is no contradiction in the Bible. If u have faith without works, can it save u? NO! If Noah had faith and no works, if he hasn't built the boat, we wouldn't be here. If one believe, then they will obey Acts 2:38 like those in Acts 2:41. God bless!
@lmadigan1971 Interesting what the reading of the bible can do to expose the heart. The man is reading God's own words ...and this turns people off? Jesus thanked the Father that it was so in the case of the "wise" of this world. "Live and let live" is the same as saying, "am I my brother's keeper?" How could the reading of God's word be offensive to the honest heart?
Please study the bible! People don't go to heaven by being good. We are telling you what God's word says. If you miss this, you could forfeit your soul!
Everyone is born sinful and needs a savior. We are (hypothetically speaking) held prisoner by the Devil and by our sins until we accept Jesus' ransom to free us. You don't just go to heaven by being good.
i cant even believe someone can read these passages and translate it into water baptism, and not repentance and being sealed with the holy ghost!??? should we be water baptized? yes, of course. is it a work of man, yes. i was saved and sealed the moment my heart repented and let the Spirit enter, not 3 weeks later when I was water baptized.
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U Would you believe that it was the faithful Christians of the first three centuries that interpreted these scritpures the same wy in their letters? It was the Gnostics that refuted baptismal regeneration, and the very students of the apostles (some of whom are called out in scripture) who supported the doctrine. It was both "plain thing" and a "main thing."
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U I certainly can make effort to comment, but I want you to benefit to the best extent from such a study. A much better work exists to that end at Amazon by David Bercot ...actually several that document my observations. "Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up" addresses common beliefs, "Will the Theologians Please Sit Dpwn" documents many of the innovations that crept in and their origins. And I just find "The Kingdom that Turned the World Upside Down" very inspiring. Enjoy.
@demcdoug well, i was hoping that you could respond and i wouldnt have to read 3 books. i can tell you from my very own first hand salvation, that i wasnt saved by water baptism. i was saved instantaneously when i repented and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ, and my water baptism 3 weeks later was only public profession. however ill say it again, i believe all should be water baptized just as Jesus was. we shouldnt hide our faith, but shout it from the mountain tops. please explain more.
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U I feel that PreacherNorm compiled an exhaustive list of scritpures, which state plainly; baptism removes sin. Several indicate the "new life" in Christ beginning at baptism. I understand some people feel immediate relief when they sincerely make the decision to put their trust in Christ ...but so do Mormons who seek that "burning in the bosom" in accepting Smith. Human emotion can't compare to faith. We establish faith by accepting what God reveals, feelings aside. more...
@demcdoug i beg to differ. when salvation happened for me, i was younger and didnt quite understand it all. im 30 years old now. i have experienced alot of emotions that life has to offer, and can say that the day i was reborn was unlike no other. it was a one time thing though. it wasnt just a good cry. it wasnt just an emotional victory or momentary feeling of elation. it was truly my spiritual rebirth. for a short time felt sinless. ill never forget it and will continue my walk.
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U This is not a question of conviction or sincerity, but sound instruction. Apollos was a man mighty in the scriptures, able to refute the Jews (from the OT) concerning the Christ ...but he hadn't yet learned about the baptism associated with the Gospel of Christ. He likely HAD known about John's water baptism ...but that was for a different ~purpose~. When he learned the truth he didn't talk about what he "knew" ...he simply obeyed and taught the true Gospel (Acts 18 & 19).
@demcdoug faith can be measured in many ways. faith can be applied to many things. it can be a momentary thing for some, but the faith we are talking about it life long. faith resulted in my rebirth, which then resulted in my continued faith.
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U Note that Col 2:12 indicates that faith in Christ's work is also required for baptism to be of any effect. The scriptures harmonize beautifully.
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U 1Pet 3:18-21 also indicates that the baptism of water "now saves us" ...but does it say we are saved thereby because of a righteous work in which we can boast? No, it is clear that water baptism "now saves us" NOT by the mere washing of the flesh, but by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Baptism for the remission of sin is ALL ABOUT JESUS.! :-)
@demcdoug cont..i must ask you...does water (h2o) baptism save you, does it cleanse your spirit, does it give you a new heart, can it give birth unto the spirit, does it give remission of sin???..NONE OF THE above..now the true bapism the spiritual baptism of CHRIST..can it do all the previous acts..YES, in fact it DOES do all the previous examples..the believe and be baptised is at the SAME time, when you are Christ child..belief and confession, you are born again FROM ABOVE washed from above
@07braves acts 2:38..repent and be baptized... repent unto Christ, be baptized into CHRIST, for the remission of sins, in the name of JESUS Christ. yep it all fits..there is no other name given to us for salvation..JESUS CHRIST..now where is that watering hole..they gladly RECIEVED HIS word and were baptised (BORN AGAIN) into Christ..by what..they recieved his word (BELIEF). faith brings us into being born again (baptised into CHRIST)..cont..
@07braves this would explain why John , who WAS water baptising people, said Jesus baptism was different, the thief on the cross needed NO h2o baptism, notice acts 10:44, 45..the spirit fell upon them (POURED) well there is the baptism!, as its says the LORD would do in EZEK. 36:25-27, and Isaiah 44:3..then PETER showed the difference...can any man FORBID water h2o, that these should not be h2o baptised, which HAVE RECIEVED the HOLY GHOST as we have.. pentecost was NOT h2o baptism.
@07braves All you prove here is that Peter was preaching the same gospel every time he spoke. You first teach that the "water" is figurative and equal to receiving the Spirit, but then you conceded that the water Peter spoke of was different (Ax 10:47). Also, in Acts 2 the Apostles were baptized in the HS, and the HS led them to REQUIRE BELIEVERS to submit to baptism AFTER they believed. Can a believer baptize himself in the HS? So then it is h2o baptism in 2:38 that results in remission of sin.
@demcdoug .. Can a believer baptize himself in the HS? So then it is h2o baptism in 2:38 that results in remission of sin....Are you understanding the fullness of the spiritual baptism..no one needs to baptize you of the spirit..JESUS baptizes us as John the baptist said.
@07braves OK, let's examine "belief" in the scripture. Is it not a work? Jesus says so (Jn 6:29), and the Hebrews writer says so (Heb 11:6). Rom 1:20 clearly demonstrates that we are without excuse for determining there is no God by observing His creation. Once acknowledging the Creator, we must diligently seek before God rewards. Seeking, we find Jesus. Then what? God says we receive His gift through repentance and a baptism that WE must accomplish. He promises to reward our faith accordingly.
@07braves Does h2o save? Peter indicates, "yes" in 1Pet 3:18-21, bu hastens to add that it is not merely a ceremonial cleansing of flesh. It is an answer or appeal to God THROUGH the resurrection of Jesus Christ. God requires repentant believers to answer His gospel call in water baptism. However, it is not the water that saves, but "the resurrection of Jesus Christ" or as Paul writes in Col 2:11-12, by our FAITH in His saving work. How and why h20 bapt saves is important to understand.
@demcdoug So then, the HS commands h2o baptism FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN, but it is not the water that does the cleansing. It is God. The gospel requires water baptism for the remission of sin. Why do you observe it? Is it a sign before men? I hope not!! (Gal 1:8-9) Is it an act of empty obedience (no spiritual purpose or consequence)? (Mk 7:7-9)
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U ...cot'd Regarding the early Christians, an example to consider is Polycarp (68-155 AD). He was the student of the Apostle John, and Bishop of Smyrna. Jesus praised that church in Rev., so what is the likelihood Polycarp taught error? Yet, he included baptismal regeneration in his Gospel preaching, as did Clement of Alexandria, Cyprian, Justin Martyr, and every other true disciple of those generations. Their stance on baptismal regeneration was clear and consistent. more...
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U ...cot'd They apparently believed that God was not Himself bound by the commands he gave us to "teach and observe" but unwavering on teaching and observing exactly what the scriptures stated on core doctrines, among which was baptismal regeneration. Gnostics, on the other hand believed we were born totally depraved and unable to do good. It was the Gnostics these disciples opposed in affirming that we had to obey God to be saved (in baptism and other matters). more...
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U In fact John wrote about a "spirit of anti-Christ" who "denied Jesus had come in the flesh" in his epistles. These were the Gnostics who held that the OT God of creation was flawed and created us flawed. Therefore, we could do nothing good, and further Jesus Himself could not have come in the flesh, but only in the "form of flesh" if He were worthy to save. They concluded that nothing we did mattered to our salvation, to include baptism. True Christians disagreed.
baptism is through Jesus, not of water but of blood, his atonement..washed in the blood, Jesus himself told the apostles that he had a baptism that they did not have, and they would recieve it later , the Holy Spirit, even john the baptist showed there is 2 baptisms, as he said his was water unto repentance , then he said Jesus will baptise you with the HOLY GHOST and fire, not water but fire. Holy Ghost takes residence when born again and he will purge his floor (FIRE)
@07braves Eph 4:5 assures us that there is only one baptism associated with salvation in our One Lord. It is the baptism that is preached, referenced, and demonstrated over and over again in the scriptures. The spiritual cleansing we receive from Christ occurs exactly when the scriptures say it does. Acts 2:38, Col 2:11-12, Rom 6:3-4; and 1Pet 3:18-21 firmly establish the bond between faith, repentance, and water baptism for the spiritual cleansing Christ performs. Wherein then is boasting?
@demcdoug The spiritual cleansing we receive from Christ occurs exactly when the scriptures say it does. Acts 2:38, Col 2:11-12, Rom 6:3-4; and 1Pet 3:18-21 firmly establish the bond between faith, repentance, and water baptism for the spiritual cleansing Christ performs. ..i agree, but it is done at the same time..being born again is the same time as the baptism into CHRIST. BELIEVE ...FAITH..this is being born again..the TRUE baptism of CHRIST, washing your spirit. cont.
@07braves "I agree but" ...? You write that you agree, but then you go on to disagree. I assume you agree because you have no choice in the light of scripture. I assume you disagree because you hold to a theological tradition from which you cannot free your mind. We have account of the entire gospel message in Acts 2. In it, we see Peter telling SINCERE BELIEVERS (v36-37) what to DO about their condition. The command to repent and be baptized follow belief. God's work occurs when we submit.
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Baptism is not essential for salvation, Baptism is merely a work and commandment when we follow christ. Paul was even baptised AFTER he received the holy spirit.
@mrcharlesdaniel The only thing the Bible indeed says out of your entire post is the scripture your quoted. The Bible only speaks of baptism in regards to salvation(Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, Matthew 28:18-20, 1 Peter 3:21, etc...), it never calls it "merely a work" or "commandment" (Romans 6) And where does it show that Paul was baptized after he received the Holy Spirit? In Acts 22 where he recalls his conversion account, he was baptized and THEN began his ministry.
@ndbass09 lol Wow lets start with Paul, Read Acts 9 17-19. Paul felt the holy spirit upon him and then got up to be baptised. Baptism is something we should do, but it in no way CONDEMNS us if we fail to have it done, the example for this is actually a verse you quoted Mark 16:16........
That being said it is NOT part of our salvation, just a commandment by GOD that a true believer will follow (John 14:15, 1 john 4:8, Eph 2:8-9, John 3:16, 1 Corinthians 1:17). Reading things in context helps instead of basing your doctrine off of 1 verse. Read Acts 16:30-31 30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
@ndbass09 O and I forgot to mention 1 Peter 3:21 that you posted lol it completely backs up my idea of baptism and you probably didnt even realize it.
It says here like the "figure" as in representation of what Christ had done for us, NOT the putting away of the filth (aka water). Hope this helps.
what about the thief on the cross?... He never was baptized, yet Jesus said "Today you will be with me in paradise" (LUKE 23:43)... What about people in the old testament? Did Jesus need salvation, so he was baptized?
You are completely wrong and misinterpreting the topic.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
@greggbursey "...thief on the cross?... He was never baptized,"
Prove it gregory....there is no scripture that states the thief wasn't baptized, in fact, he may have been baptized before being put on the cross...there is considerable evidence to this (Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4-5; Luke 3:21/ 7:29-30)....if he was, then he would have received John's baptism, which was temporary, however, even J's baptism was for "remission of sins"......You, sir, have been misled
your video is great but you failed to differentiate between water baptism & baptism by the spirit.
Jesus Christ referred to himself as the water, but as far as water baptism- its an outward identification of the inward relationship that you started with Jesus Christ.
Water Baptism is the physical representation of Baptism by the Spirit
the word baptism doesnt exist in the original translation. we are baptized in the holy spirit at the very moment we repent of our sin and make Jesus Lord of our life. personally, i was water baptized approx 3 weeks later, and know first hand that isnt what saved me. if water baptism was necessary, thats saying the cross wasnt enough and it takes a work of man to complete salvation. it amazes me how you can read these verses and not see the true meaning. may your eyes be opened.
this video misinterprets the word. we are to be immersed in the spirit. "baptism" is essential, but ONLY BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. water baptism is a public profession of faith, its not what saves. i experienced baptism/washing away of my sin the moment i repented and made Jesus Christ the Lord of my life. it wasnt until weeks later i was water baptized, and i can say it had nothing to do with my actual salvation. do not be misled, water baptism is a work of man, not of the Holy Spirit.
God bless you for your faith in God. If you would rather be a Chrisian and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, you would see that it is not emotions or feelings that God rewards, but faith and obedience. Jesus Christ taught baptism in Jesus name for salvation( that is the Great Commission).The scriptures are clear: John 3:1-7; Mark 16:15-16; Matthew 28:18-19; Luke 24:46-46; 1 Peter 3:19-21; Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:1-5; Romans 6:3-5: Gal 3:27; Col 2:10-12: Titus 3:5.This does not contradict
I would not mind getting dunked in Jesus name once a month. It wasone of the greatest days of my life being baptised in that great name. I think i will go get my wife and have her dunk me in the bath tube right now in Jesus Name, I Love It
@unocool6 I remember being worried about baptism, It really worried me yet I knew that it was up to GOD when this would take place, I couldn't force it nor could I speed up the process. Then there was one week when I underwent the most vivid of dreams, that were truly testing my trust in the LORD.
@aaeoni One was where the earth was crumbling around me and at first I ran but there was no running then all of a sudden I realized this and stopped running and just looked up to heaven and said in my heart if it be your will GOD then so be it, immediately the crumbling of the earth around me was held back and a way was made for me to escape. This happened for three nights and they were all different types of scenerios. Then the last night I awoke very quickly woke up my husband and said
@aaeoni " It's time you have to baptize me now." He just jumped up and filled up the bath tub, I got in with my pj'S. He prayed and Baptized me right there in the tub. When I rose up out of the water I felt this weight lifted off my shoulders and I just laughed non stop for hours. My husband just let me be and I cried such joy it was amazing. For me it wasn't in a huge Church it wasn't in a lake somewhere like i thought it might be it was right in my own tub with my husband and GOD as my witness
All of the scriptures used to justify the false teaching that baptism is necessary for salvation have been taken out of context. Some do not even mention baptism at all, which is really disturbing. Christians are saved by the blood of Christ and Christ alone, not baptism.
@ronpaul08supporter It is through Baptism that the blood of Jesus is applied to our lives. Here are some scriptures: "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ" -Galatians 3:26-27
I believe you are taking the above scriptures out of context, (Gal. 3:26-27, Ac. 22:16, etc.) You are correct that baptism is related to salvation, it is, after all, a physical representation of what has already taken place in the heart of the saved. We are not saved by mere representations of Christ's death burial and resurrection, we are ACTUALLY saved BY His death, burial and Resurrection. Like the old hynm says, "what can wash away my sin, nothing but the blood of Jesus."
@ronpaul08supporter "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ" -Galatians 3:26-27
Gal 3:26-27 obviously refers to baptism as the symbol of a believer's regenerate heart...Ac. 2:38 says "for the remission of sins"...the word "for" an be rephrased "as a result of"..you see,the forgiveness already took place...Peter acknowledged that the crowd demonstrated saving faith so he tells them to be baptized, in obedience...if baptism is nec. for salvation then how do you explain why it is not mentioned in Rom. 10:9-13? Baptism is a symbol, and we are not saved by symbols.
One point I want to make is that the book of Romans to the book of revelation were all letters written to the church. Read the first chapter of every one of those books and you will find that this is true. The only place where we can find the exact preaching of the Apostles tellings sinners how to be born of water and of the spirit, it is in the book of acts, not Romans to Revelation. Study to show yourself approved.
It has been said, in certain commentaries, that Acts 2:38's "for the remission of sins" means something else than what it plainly states. "'For'(as used in Acts 2:38 'for the forgiveness...')could have two meanings. If you saw a poster saying 'Jesse James wanted for robbery', 'for' could mean Jesse is wanted so he can commit a robbery, or is wanted because he has committed a robbery. The later sense is the correct one. So too in this passage, the word 'for' signifies an action in the past
so you agree with me that, the "for" in the Ac.2:38 passage refers to the fact that the sins of the believer were forgiven before baptism? I would hold that view as well, as for your statement indicating that Romans-Revelation as somehow not being a reliable source of the Holy Scriptures, I am astounded. You are a picking and choosing the Scriptures you want to believe. You might as well take scissors and cut outRom.-Rev. of your Bible. You still haven't answered my question about Rom.10:9-13.
Let me clear up this misunderstanding. The first thing I would like to point out about this particular commentary, is the phrase "'for' (as used in Acts 2:38) *COULD* have two meanings".
The reason I can make this challenge SO confidently, is this- In the English, indeed, "for" could mean such as that "Jesse is wanted because he has committed a robbery," Or even that "for the remission of sins" similarly, considering the English only, could mean that "for the remission of sins" meant for the remission of sins that had already happened."HOWEVER- in the Greek, the word 'eis' is NEVER used in such a context.
Let me clear up another misunderstanding. You have accused me of discrediting Romans to Revelation. I am not trying to discrediting any part of the Bible in any way. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."2 Timothy 3:16-17. I am only trying to help you understand something about the Bible you claim to believe.
The serpent is subtle, it is slick. It captures your focus. It get's you to focusing on something other than what is right to focus on, to get you to come up some other way. And the Bible says: "He that enters not by the door but tries to climb up some other way is the same as a thief and a robber." And to answer your question (which is a good question) Lets look at John 3:5.
Let's go to the book of Genesis, and I'll show you what I'm talking about. "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
you say "I am only trying to help you understand something about the Bible you claim to believe"....what you are doing ezmyreld, is avoiding the issue...the issue is the Gospel of Jesus Christ...salvation of our souls...you're talkin' about Adam and Eve, Genesis, 2 Timothy...you're doing everything but facing head-on Romans 10:9-13...your next reply needs to address Romans 10:9-13...If you don't explain this passage in your next reply, then this discussion is over
@ronpaul08supporter Ok Ronpaul. I'm not trying to avoid the subject. Although you have avoided the fact that I had already given you the answer to your question. THE BOOK OF ROMANS WAS WRITTEN TO THOSE THAT HAVE ALREADY OBEYED THE GOSPEL IN ACTS 2:38 the saints, the born again believers, as I have previously stated this on the blog, but you falsely accused me of not considering other scriptures.
What is the gospel of Jesus Christ? Let the Bible speak. 1Co 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you,which also ye have received,and wherein ye stand;By which also ye are saved,if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;And that he was buried,and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
HOW DOES ONE OBEY THE DEATH, BURIAL, AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. -Acts 2:38
OBEYING THE DEATH-REPENTANCE "...Our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin" -Romans 6:6-7.
OBEYING THE BURIAL-BAPTISM "Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death? Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism..." -Romans 6:3-4.
OBEYING THE RESURRECTION-THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
One last thing, those scriptures that I quoted in Genesis illustrated how Satan works through deception. Even though he quoted the word of God, "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" He layed aside the commandment of God by stating, " Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."Gen. 3:1-5. What Satan did here, though he quoted the word of God, was he layed aside the commandment of God and stated his own interpretation of what God said. The problem with his interpretation is that it layed aside the commandment of God, "You shall not eat of it lest ye die,"
Because some people can't accept that this passage says what it means, they interpret the passage based on their interpretations, rather than on the concrete usages, and Dictionary definitions, of such words as "eis."
Here is Strong's Definition of eis-for" New Testament Greek Definition:1519 eis{ice}a primary preposition; TDNT-2:420,211; prep AV - into 573, to 281, unto 207, for 140, in 138, on 58, toward 29, against 26, misc 322; 1774 1) into, unto, to, towards, for, among The word "eis" is found, according to this reference, 1774 times in the NT. It is translated as the word "into" 573 times, "to" 281 times, and "unto" 207 times. It is translated into the word "for" only 140 times in the NT.
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins, but I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fathers kingdom Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Highest; For you will go before the face of the Lord to prepare His ways, To give knowledge of salvation to His people by the remission of their sins.
Luke 3:3
And he went into all the region around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins,
Which of us, by our own power and devices, by dipping into a body of water could possibly wash our souls clean of sin and iniquity? But if we are baptized in response to God's call, isn't our action then an act of faith in the operation of God?
Jesus was baptized by John and He called it fulfilling righteousness-not works!
Paul met some deciples baptised by John...and rebaptized them into Jesus--WHY? The real salvation came through the cross for Jesus and for us. We MUST follow Him through Death, Burial and Resurrection, which is ONLY accomplished through Baptism into His name. Read Romans 6: 3-5 Paul explains baptism.
Jesus always said He came in His Father's name. Jesus resurrected the Christ. Jesus and the Father are one. Therefore the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost is ???
Through transliteration we got the name of Jesus but what is His real name?
He was known as Yesha in Hebrew. Yesha, Yeshua, and His full name YahuShuah. Remember YHVH the unspeakable name of God?
Are three forms is called YahuShuah?
Do we all need to get rebaptized into His proper name?
A lot of people get this mindset that baptism isn't something God ordained, but it's more like a tradition man set up; really it's just people whose denominational background taught them to be ignorant about passages about baptism...
which explains why so many people have such a hard time accepting that baptism could play a part in salvation.
Anyone who thinks Baptism is not necessary has been decieved.
The example also should be given of when the Apostles actually rebaptised some men because it was important that the be baptised correctly. Now, if it wasn't necesarry, why did they do that? Oh, wait, it is necessary, that's why.
First of all, we will be saved because Jesus died for us. That what his task to perform on behlaf of our sake. Praise be to Him for that.
Baptism is a part of our end of the deal. It must be performed properly by someone who is an authorized servant of God, which is to say a person who has been ordained to the Holy Prisethood.
The apostles were ordained and chosen by Jesus Christ ad held the Priesthood authority. All men who perform baptisms must also hold this same Authority.
So according to what you wrote, because my Husband is not a Priest he has no authority to baptize me & therefore I need to be re-baptized? nowadays there are so many who claim they are given authority by GOD to do many things, pastors are now among some of the worst. I went to church where the pastor was biblical but something changed. We spent an entire service giving praise to Judaism and it was very weird, I love the Jews but it turned from respect to worship it was so uncomfortable.
This is one of a few things that got strange. Maybe it was that he is getting old like Solomon? I still congregate with believers but I don't want to spend my days looking for the right "pastor" when JESUS said "where two or three are gathered in my name I am in the midst of them " Yeah church can get you fuzzy and warm and make you feel like you did something but I have found too many fallacies in the Churches of today. Its the Laodician era. I trust GOD will teach me in all things and HE is.
And not every one who is a priest of a church has authority either. Read Hebrews 5 verse 4, and then study that out.
Only those called of God by revelation and have been ordained to the priesthood of God (by one that also holds the authority) have the authority to baptize in the name of Christ. In the New Testament, John the baptist, Christ and the apostles held authority. Technically those who wre ordained as bishops in the early church also held the authority.
If you read further into the chapter, it is explained clearly that the church also must contain prophets and apostles so that everyone comes to a unity of the faith and not be decieved.
Ephesians 2:20 says the foundation of the church is apostles and prophets. They were taken away. Remove the foundation, the rest fell down.
It is obvious, because we aren't in a unity of the faith. It is result of the absence of prophets and apostles.
You are right we are in absence of REAL Apostles and REAL prophets...instead we get these phony baloney clowns who can read what your thinking quite well but have no real power in the spirit realm
What if God called a real prophet and apostles again and has restored the ancient church, the authority of the priesthood and the spirit of revelation?
can you show me where in the Bible the Apostles rebaptised someone because im having trouble finding it? i know that Paul really underrates the process of Baptism in 1 corin. 1:14-17 and since you claim it was important how do you reconcile the two views on Baptism in Paul's eyes?
Acts 8 is also a good one where they believed in Christ, and then took upon themselves his name and were baptised.
It's not only important, but absolutely necesarry.
Baptism is for the remission of sins.(Mark 1:4). So until you are baptised and recieve the holy spirit (baptism of fire Matthew 3:11 ; Mark 1:8), you are not forgiven of your sins.
How did the apsotles give the Holy Ghost? Acts 8:18 "The laying on of hands"
Read the verses again and try to understand more fully what he was saying.
Crispus and Gaius were church leaders with authority and baptised the people already. Acts 18:8 tells us that Crispus baptised those in Corinth.
Paul's mission in that place was not to baptise, but to preach. The people had already been baptised, you see?
Just because his mission was not to baptize (because it had already been done), that in no way means that it is unimportant nor did Paul mean to hint at that.
so you believe that "faith" is not sufficiency for the remission of sins but it must be accompanied with the act of baptism. do you also believe that our salvation is not sealed and that we can lose it?
Well, first you have to define "faith" as it is explained in the scriptures. Over and over again, the scriptures hint at the fact that to have true faith, you must follow and do the things Jesus commanded us to do.
"DO" is the key word. We are not saved by works, but they are the evidence of our faith. They go hand in hand. Baptism is to recieve a remission of our sins, as the bible teaches, which is a "work" by definition.
You can lose your salvation by turning aganst god, absolutely.
baptism isnt a act, but it is being obidient. Mark 16:16 and yes you can give away salvation. I mean if we are once saved always saved, why does the devil still tempt us. (cause he wants you to fall) look at book of acts, many people were baptized, dont fight it, baptism is apart of salvation. Its biblical and the bible supports it.
@sorkinanton Have you ever heard of obedience by faith. It is by faith that we obey the gospel to be saved. "...Faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone... I will shew thee my faith by my works... by works a man is justified, and not by faith alone" -James 2:17-24.
Britannica Encyclo -11th Ed, Vol 3, pg365 - Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to words Father, Son & Holy Ghost in 2nd Century.Canney Encyc of Religion -The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the 2nd century.Hastings Encyc.of Relig. Vol 2 - Christian baptism was done,"in the name of Jesus." pg 377. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until time of Justin Martyr, pg 389 Herzog Religious Encyclo Vol 1, pg435 The N. T. knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.
Grace is God's favor reflected in our life.Just as Moses face shown after he conversed with God-so is grace.You don't have Grace in your life for long without obedience.Remember faith without works is dead.Bring forth fruit meet for repentance.What Paul was saying was in his time some wanted Gentiles not only to be baptized in Jesus Christ but be circumcised and follow portions of the law.Don't disgrace grace.Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound.Baptism in Jesus name is essential.Peace
The Church of Christ adheres to a "Cut & Paste" theology. They assume that every time you see "baptism" written in the Bible it refers to "water baptism" and that is error. Clearly John the Baptist spoke of the difference- "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I...He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Matt 3:11. They sing of Amazing Grace, but their legalistic salvation by "works" is not Grace at all, and it is far from Amazing.
morty58, U r right Jhn's bptim was w/ watr unto repent, NT bptsm for remis of sins. Eph 4:5...one baptism. There Were more than one b4, Now only one. Your problm is which one. Close xam of script is water baptsm. Bptsm-the HG was givn only 2x that was to guide the apostles n2 all truth Jn16:13, and Acts 10 hslhld of Corneilius, the later to show the Jews the Gentls were now acptble. Bptsm HG was 4 a specfc reason instant teachng 2 spread the Word no complet bible existd.1 bpts is w/watr Act 8
NT baptsm is the only way to get into Christ Rom 6:3 if u r not baptsd w/watr you are not in Christ. John's bptsm put no one n2 Christ. I am sure no one want to be baptzd w/fire. I know I don't. Why don't those who say watr bptsm is not essent to salvatn get bptzd w/fire. God told Moses to follow the pattern he was givn. If u deviate u r disobednt, so if Eph 4:5 says 1Lord 1faith 1baptsm, bptsm is a part of faith not apart from faith. Which part of the pattrn can I remov and still be saved?
Those agnst watr bptsm keep saying spirit bptsm, they never say how you baptze someone with spirit or is it Spirit baptsm. What would spirit bptsm do 4 us 2day? We have the Book, we have all truth. There are no apostles to lay hand on us to give us this measure of HG. In ACT 10 Cornelius Hshld was baptzd w/watr also. What if God had not sent Petr would HG have fallen. Peter had to tell him Cornelius what 2 do. Is not the same measure of HG apstles had, if it were he would have known what to do.
In every xmple of HS bptsm there is a sign showing it is from God. If we were bptzed w/HS 2day who would know. Acts 2 it was demonstated by the apostle and visible to all there, as in Acts 10. If someone can visibly show this 2day I would attend church wherever they are. Each time HS bptsm took place Words were spoken, what words could u speak 2day and cause such an event. Show me your HS bptsm. Every HS bptsm was sent by God as proof that it was from God. How can u prove 2day u are bptzd w/HG?
it's none denominational, i would sugguest checking out the beliefs of your local church of christ because what he is saying is what we believe. Strictly scripture and we don't belong to any denomination. We belong to christ Amen
The Church of Christ adheres to a "Cut & Paste" theology. They assume that every time you see "baptism" written in the Bible it refers to "water baptism" and that is error. Clearly John the Baptist spoke of the difference- "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I...He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Matt 3:11. They sing of Amazing Grace, but their legalistice salvation by "works" is not Grace at all, and it is far from Amazing.
I ask this alot but I would like to know what denomination your from. I know it shouldnt matter but I agree with you and ask to gather in my mind all those who are my brothers. So for example if I ever past by your churches within the denominations I wont "that is a false church" because i will know that there is someone like you in there.
One takes a Tylenol FOR a headache, NOT to get a headache but because they have a headache. I was baptized in water FOR the forgiveness of sins NOT to get the forgiveness of sin but because I have the forgiveness of sins. I was baptized because I was command to be. God does the saving.
Amen! Very well presented. There are so many people that need to see videos like this because it is so simple to understand and you just cannot argue with it beacuse it is simply what the bible says. Nothing has been added or taken away from the bible. It's God's word.
Eph.2:4-6 "But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions; it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus"
How and when did God raise us up and make us alive with Christ? Read Col.2:11-14
Baptism and faith are inseparable in Gal.3:26,27. Peter declares that "baptism saves" (I Peter 3:21).
Don't let any preacher lead you into error re baptism and the Holy Spirit. Baptism is so important that Jesus actually got baptised Himself.
Being baptised in Jesus name by full immersion in water & being filled with the Holy Spirit r essential to ones salvation. Read the book of acts a few times, study what the diciples did regarding salvation. Don't let peoples actions put you off who r not walking the Christian walk properly that between them & God. Let God be true & every man a liar.
jehugodsman 2 months ago
@jehugodsman In no way is baptism essential for salvation. Salvation is of God, NOT dependent upon man's works... it is merely a symbol. We are completely justified by faith, not by faith and a ceremony.Rom. 5:1 Eph. 2:8 Romans 4:1–11. If we are saved by faith, then we are saved by faith when we believe, not when we get baptized, otherwise we are not saved by faith. I can give numerous examples.. but please dont preach this.
dmorris41 1 month ago
Baptism, was central to Johns the baptists message, Jesus's message and the apostles messsage after Jesus was risen. The Philipean jailor & his whole household were baptised in the middle of the night.
Acts 19 Paul met some diciples & aksed them if they were baptised, they said they were baptsied into Johns baptism. Paul then asked them if they had the Holy Spirit, they said they had not even heard of this. Paul then baptised them in Jesus name& laid hands on them & they spoke in tongues.
jehugodsman 2 months ago
Why do I get the feeling that you are a legalist? So let me ask you, do you observe Christmas and Easter? Can you justifiably say that those who aren't water baptized are not saved? Why do I know so many people who have been baptized in the Name Of Christ, yet they curse at work, or are fornicators, etc? If baptism was the "saving grace", the "about face", why are so many who have been baptized, carrying on in a worldly manner? What counts is living a life of LOVE, not one of religion
chedachz68 3 months ago
Correction. Meant to indicate that baptism is our first reaction to faith; not our only reaction (in case any readers read my prior statement as such). Obedience is a reaction. True, we don't have to follow a strict law as the Jews did but there's so much in the new testament by the Apostles that confirm Christianity is a way of life; not just a belief.
JaeZ76 3 months ago
Jesus died on the cross for all who believe - BUT -scripture by the Apostles (who He gave authority) teach we are to take that belief and react to it by being baptized. (Mark 16:16) The Epistles are all about Christian living to those who believe. James wrote that faith without works is dead so how to you reconcile with what Jesus said about 'faith only' and the Apostles? Why would the Apostles write commandments if nothing more is required than simple belief?
JaeZ76 3 months ago
When one interprets the faith-only scriptures, they dismiss the whole picture by dismissing all the verses that reference water baptism when believing followed by receiving the Holy Spirit. Read the story about the Ethiopian Eunuch and Cornelius, examples of two Gentiles who believed and were baptized in water. Those who believe that faith alone saves bear the burden of explaining why water baptism followed belief in these examples and why it's not applicable today.
JaeZ76 3 months ago
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For those who believe baptism is essential for salvation...what about deathbed conversions...should you even lead someone to salvation if theirs no water around? Or the thief on the cross? What about television ministries who try to lead people to christ by showing them the way of salvation & the sinners prayer. If your not standing in water with a pastor around should you even pray?
newj34 3 months ago
my question is... Do you Believe that John the Baptist is in Heaven and was Saved...I KNOW I DO JOHN THE BAPTIST SAVED AND IN HEAVEN... HOWEVER NEVER BAPTIZED... HE TOLD JESUS TO BAPTIZE HIM AND JESUS DID NOT...if you believe that water baptism is essential for salvation then you also must believe that John The Baptist... is in Hell.... this and the scriptures shared below should be more than enough to prove that water baptism is not needed to be saved and go to heaven...
RookiesProduction 5 months ago
@MrWadie123 - Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38. Please try to explain those away. "He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved" (the word AND, as in, 1+1=2. Both parts are required to assemble the whole). Why do you make things harder than they are? It's insults to common sense like this that gives our religion an even worse reputation.
BlackFox0911 6 months ago
Mark 16:16
Acts 2:38
Those are two verses that come to mind IMMEDIATELY. I'm sure there are more
BlackFox0911 6 months ago
@CombatPk - Had Jesus died yet? Had the new covenant been enacted, or was the Judaical law still in effect?
BlackFox0911 6 months ago
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When was the saved man hanging on the cross next to Jesus baptised?
CombatPk 6 months ago
Baptism washes away sins in the context of sanctification, not justification.
Johnbag7 7 months ago
I agree with MrWadie123. Water baptism is a smack across gods face, and thus, you have no faith.
dalesaa 8 months ago
"For God so loved the world, that he agave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."John 3:16
I don't see baptism in that.
"thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;" 1 Corinthians 1:14
"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17 (KJV 1900)
MrWadie123 9 months ago 2
@MrWadie123 If Baptism was essential in Salvation Paul basically said:
"Thank God I let none of you except Crispus and Gaius be saved"
"For Christ sent me not to save, but to preach the gospel" The hilarity in this was not only was that Paul's mission, preaching the Gospel of Christ is what saves, remember; "For God so loved the world, that he agave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."?
So Paul said:
MrWadie123 9 months ago 2
@MrWadie123 "For Christ sent me not to save, but to save," if carnal baptism was important, if the bathing yourself is important in Christian doctrine why on earth would he do and say that? Peter was referring to carnal baptism when he mention "removal of dirt from flesh" but he said that Baptism only "saves" by the belief in the Resurrection of Christ and the actual happening, baptism in itself is useless.
MrWadie123 9 months ago
@MrWadie123 And my final blow, "For by grace are ye saved through FAITH; and that NOT of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 NOT of works, lest any man should boast" Only faith. Not any works like baptism.
MrWadie123 9 months ago 2
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@MrWadie123 ""For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17 (KJV 1900) Question: If Paul was sent NOT to baptize, period, did he OBEY this directive? I'd hate to think Paul was sent NOT to baptize, then turned around and disobeyed God and baptized people anyhow. Or is it more like, maybe, that I Cor 1: 17 is an ellipsis?
lllannallll 9 months ago
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MrWadie123 9 months ago
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MrWadie123 9 months ago
Paul really likes to equate baptism to circumcision.
Romans 4:9-11 kind of puts a dagger to the notion that we are saved after being baptized.
seinfan9 11 months ago
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@seinfan9 "Romans 4:9-11 kind of puts a dagger to the notion that we are saved after being baptized." LOL those verses are talking about circumcision and uncircumcision and never mention repentance or baptism.
lllannallll 9 months ago
and baptism does also now save us read 1 peter 3 ;21 . OH how many ppl reject Mark 16:16 and 1 peter 3 ;21 !
firefighter40ish 11 months ago
well Bibledoctrine ill address eph 4:5 that means i can do nothing to earn by my own merit meaning i cant say i did this or that now i deserve it or to say hey i visit the sick and feed the poor now im going to heaven thats what that means . 1 corith. 12;13 whats your point ? that one spirit is of God . so i must ask that you do reject mark 16;16 or even 1 peter 3 :21 ?
firefighter40ish 11 months ago
You did not address Eph 4:5 and ICor12:13. Our baptism today is dry one that is performed by the Holy Spirit when He baptizes each believer into the Body of Christ. If we add water baptism then we have two baptism today and that cannot be in light of Eph 4:5. I have posted a video response and hope you will consider the points made in it.
bibledoctrine 11 months ago
Amen Amen
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
If one can be saved without baptism, then one can be saved outside of Christ (Rom.6:3, Gal.3:27), and without having remission of sins (Acts 3:38), without having sins washed away (Acts 22:16).
Stop fighting the word of God and "arise, and be baptized and wash away your sins" (Acts 22:16) because "baptism doth also now save us" (1Pet.3:21).
Salvation is "IN" Christ (2Tim.2:10), We are baptized "INTO" Christ (Gal.3:27, Ro.6:3). Until we are baptized into Christ, we are outside of Christ.
exdesertrat 1 year ago
@exdesertrat Amen Amen
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
I am a big believer in baptism, but most scriptures here refer to spiritual baptism. Faith and grace is what saves us, not baptism
3161029 1 year ago
@3161029 john 3:3. so that means if your not baptized you aint goin to heaven
mathew 7:21 so just cause you have faith and say god is your father well you know. heck even demons believe and tremble. so if thats true whats the difference between us and them if faith saves us. also baptism is an effect of faith so why not just get baptized already
aguirremarvin 1 year ago
@aguirremarvin
Jesus was referring to spiritual baptism in John 3:3 because of what he said in 3:6. Flesh gives birth to flesh - natural childbirth. Spirit gives birth - Spiritual baptism.
I agree that believers must get baptized to be obedient to God, but it still doesn't save you.
3161029 1 year ago
@3161029 We should not forget the baptism of Jesus in the river of Jordan, and what happen when he came out the water. And John statement to Jesus," I have need to be baptist of thee". John 3:5 Jesus answered , Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of the water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
jallen4236 1 year ago
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The meaning of John 3:5 is explained in John 3:6. Flesh gives birth to flesh obviously means natural childbirth.
If we are saved by repenting and accepting Jesus as our savior, why do people think that the act of baptism saves us? I do believe that believer's baptism is very important and that every believer that is not baptized is dis-honoring God.
I don't think that John that Baptist was baptized, or the thief on the cross.
3161029 1 year ago
@3161029 Understand that John the Baptist and the man on the cross, both lived under the age of law, not grace or the church age. We are responsible for salvation in our age. If we get back to living in our age, we won't get confused. Scriptures that God deals with ages or dispensations. Ephesians 1:10, 2:6-9, 3:5-6,21. Colossians 1:26-27. Study the seven dispensations. type it in on here. God bless! Jesus Christ is coming for his church and many will be left behind. Acts 2:38 is God's plan.
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
@3161029 U are being a false prophet and don't know it. Baptism do save us today. Scripture 1 Peter 3:20-21. What do that scripture shows? People are getting themselves in a lot of trouble with God, because they are just saying things without any experience and studying the whole matter. If one lead people the wrong way, they will go to hell and lead people with them. People just need to obey Acts 2:38 Period. That's the way God set it up for all people. It's your choice.
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
@aguirremarvin Amen Amen LOL that is so true. It's a shame how people are being so deceived. Just get saved according to the way it was done in the book of Acts and live the life. Acts 2:41, they gladly received the word and was baptized. They didn't ask, what if this and what if that. They got baptized because they believed. They ask, what about the man on the cross? That man lived under the age of law, before the church got started. They need to stay in their own age or dispensation.
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
@3161029 what exact scriptures refer to spiritual baptism and I'll give you exact scripture for baptism(immersed in water). If faith and grace saves one, what happened to repentance and confession? You made need to study, RIGHTLY dividing the word of God.
djraoul100 1 year ago
@djraoul100
Hey, I'm on your side. There is no need to criticize me. Those who believe in a "works based" salvation are on the wrong side. I know about repentance and confession and I have done much bible study.
3161029 1 year ago
@3161029 U know there's a work of righteousness and a work of faith. Titus 3:5, and James 2:14-26. One says, it's not by works of righteousness, giving to the poor etc. The other says, faith without works is dead. There is no contradiction in the Bible. If u have faith without works, can it save u? NO! If Noah had faith and no works, if he hasn't built the boat, we wouldn't be here. If one believe, then they will obey Acts 2:38 like those in Acts 2:41. God bless!
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
you turn people off religion
a good person who is not baptized will go where god says they will go
its not p to you to make that decision
now go and lie down you are taking too many serious tablets
live and let live
amen
lmadigan1971 1 year ago
@lmadigan1971 Interesting what the reading of the bible can do to expose the heart. The man is reading God's own words ...and this turns people off? Jesus thanked the Father that it was so in the case of the "wise" of this world. "Live and let live" is the same as saying, "am I my brother's keeper?" How could the reading of God's word be offensive to the honest heart?
demcdoug 1 year ago
@lmadigan1971
Please study the bible! People don't go to heaven by being good. We are telling you what God's word says. If you miss this, you could forfeit your soul!
Everyone is born sinful and needs a savior. We are (hypothetically speaking) held prisoner by the Devil and by our sins until we accept Jesus' ransom to free us. You don't just go to heaven by being good.
3161029 1 year ago
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jallen4236 1 year ago
i cant even believe someone can read these passages and translate it into water baptism, and not repentance and being sealed with the holy ghost!??? should we be water baptized? yes, of course. is it a work of man, yes. i was saved and sealed the moment my heart repented and let the Spirit enter, not 3 weeks later when I was water baptized.
JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U 1 year ago
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U Would you believe that it was the faithful Christians of the first three centuries that interpreted these scritpures the same wy in their letters? It was the Gnostics that refuted baptismal regeneration, and the very students of the apostles (some of whom are called out in scripture) who supported the doctrine. It was both "plain thing" and a "main thing."
demcdoug 1 year ago
@demcdoug can you clarify??? a little more on your commentary please???
JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U 1 year ago
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U I certainly can make effort to comment, but I want you to benefit to the best extent from such a study. A much better work exists to that end at Amazon by David Bercot ...actually several that document my observations. "Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up" addresses common beliefs, "Will the Theologians Please Sit Dpwn" documents many of the innovations that crept in and their origins. And I just find "The Kingdom that Turned the World Upside Down" very inspiring. Enjoy.
demcdoug 1 year ago
@demcdoug well, i was hoping that you could respond and i wouldnt have to read 3 books. i can tell you from my very own first hand salvation, that i wasnt saved by water baptism. i was saved instantaneously when i repented and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ, and my water baptism 3 weeks later was only public profession. however ill say it again, i believe all should be water baptized just as Jesus was. we shouldnt hide our faith, but shout it from the mountain tops. please explain more.
JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U 1 year ago
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U I feel that PreacherNorm compiled an exhaustive list of scritpures, which state plainly; baptism removes sin. Several indicate the "new life" in Christ beginning at baptism. I understand some people feel immediate relief when they sincerely make the decision to put their trust in Christ ...but so do Mormons who seek that "burning in the bosom" in accepting Smith. Human emotion can't compare to faith. We establish faith by accepting what God reveals, feelings aside. more...
demcdoug 1 year ago
@demcdoug i beg to differ. when salvation happened for me, i was younger and didnt quite understand it all. im 30 years old now. i have experienced alot of emotions that life has to offer, and can say that the day i was reborn was unlike no other. it was a one time thing though. it wasnt just a good cry. it wasnt just an emotional victory or momentary feeling of elation. it was truly my spiritual rebirth. for a short time felt sinless. ill never forget it and will continue my walk.
JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U 1 year ago
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U This is not a question of conviction or sincerity, but sound instruction. Apollos was a man mighty in the scriptures, able to refute the Jews (from the OT) concerning the Christ ...but he hadn't yet learned about the baptism associated with the Gospel of Christ. He likely HAD known about John's water baptism ...but that was for a different ~purpose~. When he learned the truth he didn't talk about what he "knew" ...he simply obeyed and taught the true Gospel (Acts 18 & 19).
demcdoug 1 year ago
@demcdoug faith can be measured in many ways. faith can be applied to many things. it can be a momentary thing for some, but the faith we are talking about it life long. faith resulted in my rebirth, which then resulted in my continued faith.
JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U 1 year ago
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U On what premise do we establish faith that leads to salvation? Is it the Word of God or some other source?
demcdoug 1 year ago
@demcdoug Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith
JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U 1 year ago
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U Note that Col 2:12 indicates that faith in Christ's work is also required for baptism to be of any effect. The scriptures harmonize beautifully.
demcdoug 1 year ago
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U 1Pet 3:18-21 also indicates that the baptism of water "now saves us" ...but does it say we are saved thereby because of a righteous work in which we can boast? No, it is clear that water baptism "now saves us" NOT by the mere washing of the flesh, but by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Baptism for the remission of sin is ALL ABOUT JESUS.! :-)
demcdoug 1 year ago
@demcdoug cont..i must ask you...does water (h2o) baptism save you, does it cleanse your spirit, does it give you a new heart, can it give birth unto the spirit, does it give remission of sin???..NONE OF THE above..now the true bapism the spiritual baptism of CHRIST..can it do all the previous acts..YES, in fact it DOES do all the previous examples..the believe and be baptised is at the SAME time, when you are Christ child..belief and confession, you are born again FROM ABOVE washed from above
07braves 1 year ago
@07braves acts 2:38..repent and be baptized... repent unto Christ, be baptized into CHRIST, for the remission of sins, in the name of JESUS Christ. yep it all fits..there is no other name given to us for salvation..JESUS CHRIST..now where is that watering hole..they gladly RECIEVED HIS word and were baptised (BORN AGAIN) into Christ..by what..they recieved his word (BELIEF). faith brings us into being born again (baptised into CHRIST)..cont..
07braves 1 year ago
@07braves this would explain why John , who WAS water baptising people, said Jesus baptism was different, the thief on the cross needed NO h2o baptism, notice acts 10:44, 45..the spirit fell upon them (POURED) well there is the baptism!, as its says the LORD would do in EZEK. 36:25-27, and Isaiah 44:3..then PETER showed the difference...can any man FORBID water h2o, that these should not be h2o baptised, which HAVE RECIEVED the HOLY GHOST as we have.. pentecost was NOT h2o baptism.
07braves 1 year ago
@07braves All you prove here is that Peter was preaching the same gospel every time he spoke. You first teach that the "water" is figurative and equal to receiving the Spirit, but then you conceded that the water Peter spoke of was different (Ax 10:47). Also, in Acts 2 the Apostles were baptized in the HS, and the HS led them to REQUIRE BELIEVERS to submit to baptism AFTER they believed. Can a believer baptize himself in the HS? So then it is h2o baptism in 2:38 that results in remission of sin.
demcdoug 1 year ago
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@demcdoug .. Can a believer baptize himself in the HS? So then it is h2o baptism in 2:38 that results in remission of sin....Are you understanding the fullness of the spiritual baptism..no one needs to baptize you of the spirit..JESUS baptizes us as John the baptist said.
07braves 1 year ago
@07braves OK, let's examine "belief" in the scripture. Is it not a work? Jesus says so (Jn 6:29), and the Hebrews writer says so (Heb 11:6). Rom 1:20 clearly demonstrates that we are without excuse for determining there is no God by observing His creation. Once acknowledging the Creator, we must diligently seek before God rewards. Seeking, we find Jesus. Then what? God says we receive His gift through repentance and a baptism that WE must accomplish. He promises to reward our faith accordingly.
demcdoug 1 year ago
@07braves Does h2o save? Peter indicates, "yes" in 1Pet 3:18-21, bu hastens to add that it is not merely a ceremonial cleansing of flesh. It is an answer or appeal to God THROUGH the resurrection of Jesus Christ. God requires repentant believers to answer His gospel call in water baptism. However, it is not the water that saves, but "the resurrection of Jesus Christ" or as Paul writes in Col 2:11-12, by our FAITH in His saving work. How and why h20 bapt saves is important to understand.
demcdoug 1 year ago
@demcdoug So then, the HS commands h2o baptism FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN, but it is not the water that does the cleansing. It is God. The gospel requires water baptism for the remission of sin. Why do you observe it? Is it a sign before men? I hope not!! (Gal 1:8-9) Is it an act of empty obedience (no spiritual purpose or consequence)? (Mk 7:7-9)
demcdoug 1 year ago
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U ...cot'd Regarding the early Christians, an example to consider is Polycarp (68-155 AD). He was the student of the Apostle John, and Bishop of Smyrna. Jesus praised that church in Rev., so what is the likelihood Polycarp taught error? Yet, he included baptismal regeneration in his Gospel preaching, as did Clement of Alexandria, Cyprian, Justin Martyr, and every other true disciple of those generations. Their stance on baptismal regeneration was clear and consistent. more...
demcdoug 1 year ago
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U ...cot'd They apparently believed that God was not Himself bound by the commands he gave us to "teach and observe" but unwavering on teaching and observing exactly what the scriptures stated on core doctrines, among which was baptismal regeneration. Gnostics, on the other hand believed we were born totally depraved and unable to do good. It was the Gnostics these disciples opposed in affirming that we had to obey God to be saved (in baptism and other matters). more...
demcdoug 1 year ago
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U In fact John wrote about a "spirit of anti-Christ" who "denied Jesus had come in the flesh" in his epistles. These were the Gnostics who held that the OT God of creation was flawed and created us flawed. Therefore, we could do nothing good, and further Jesus Himself could not have come in the flesh, but only in the "form of flesh" if He were worthy to save. They concluded that nothing we did mattered to our salvation, to include baptism. True Christians disagreed.
demcdoug 1 year ago
baptism is through Jesus, not of water but of blood, his atonement..washed in the blood, Jesus himself told the apostles that he had a baptism that they did not have, and they would recieve it later , the Holy Spirit, even john the baptist showed there is 2 baptisms, as he said his was water unto repentance , then he said Jesus will baptise you with the HOLY GHOST and fire, not water but fire. Holy Ghost takes residence when born again and he will purge his floor (FIRE)
07braves 1 year ago
@07braves Eph 4:5 assures us that there is only one baptism associated with salvation in our One Lord. It is the baptism that is preached, referenced, and demonstrated over and over again in the scriptures. The spiritual cleansing we receive from Christ occurs exactly when the scriptures say it does. Acts 2:38, Col 2:11-12, Rom 6:3-4; and 1Pet 3:18-21 firmly establish the bond between faith, repentance, and water baptism for the spiritual cleansing Christ performs. Wherein then is boasting?
demcdoug 1 year ago
@demcdoug The spiritual cleansing we receive from Christ occurs exactly when the scriptures say it does. Acts 2:38, Col 2:11-12, Rom 6:3-4; and 1Pet 3:18-21 firmly establish the bond between faith, repentance, and water baptism for the spiritual cleansing Christ performs. ..i agree, but it is done at the same time..being born again is the same time as the baptism into CHRIST. BELIEVE ...FAITH..this is being born again..the TRUE baptism of CHRIST, washing your spirit. cont.
07braves 1 year ago
@07braves "I agree but" ...? You write that you agree, but then you go on to disagree. I assume you agree because you have no choice in the light of scripture. I assume you disagree because you hold to a theological tradition from which you cannot free your mind. We have account of the entire gospel message in Acts 2. In it, we see Peter telling SINCERE BELIEVERS (v36-37) what to DO about their condition. The command to repent and be baptized follow belief. God's work occurs when we submit.
demcdoug 1 year ago
John 3 3-6
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Baptism is not essential for salvation, Baptism is merely a work and commandment when we follow christ. Paul was even baptised AFTER he received the holy spirit.
mrcharlesdaniel 1 year ago
@mrcharlesdaniel The only thing the Bible indeed says out of your entire post is the scripture your quoted. The Bible only speaks of baptism in regards to salvation(Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16, Matthew 28:18-20, 1 Peter 3:21, etc...), it never calls it "merely a work" or "commandment" (Romans 6) And where does it show that Paul was baptized after he received the Holy Spirit? In Acts 22 where he recalls his conversion account, he was baptized and THEN began his ministry.
ndbass09 1 year ago
@ndbass09 lol Wow lets start with Paul, Read Acts 9 17-19. Paul felt the holy spirit upon him and then got up to be baptised. Baptism is something we should do, but it in no way CONDEMNS us if we fail to have it done, the example for this is actually a verse you quoted Mark 16:16........
mrcharlesdaniel 1 year ago
@ndbass09 ............
That being said it is NOT part of our salvation, just a commandment by GOD that a true believer will follow (John 14:15, 1 john 4:8, Eph 2:8-9, John 3:16, 1 Corinthians 1:17). Reading things in context helps instead of basing your doctrine off of 1 verse. Read Acts 16:30-31 30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
mrcharlesdaniel 1 year ago
@ndbass09 O and I forgot to mention 1 Peter 3:21 that you posted lol it completely backs up my idea of baptism and you probably didnt even realize it.
It says here like the "figure" as in representation of what Christ had done for us, NOT the putting away of the filth (aka water). Hope this helps.
mrcharlesdaniel 1 year ago
what about the thief on the cross?... He never was baptized, yet Jesus said "Today you will be with me in paradise" (LUKE 23:43)... What about people in the old testament? Did Jesus need salvation, so he was baptized?
You are completely wrong and misinterpreting the topic.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.
Baptism DOES NOT SAVE ANYONE...
greggbursey 1 year ago
@greggbursey "...thief on the cross?... He was never baptized,"
Prove it gregory....there is no scripture that states the thief wasn't baptized, in fact, he may have been baptized before being put on the cross...there is considerable evidence to this (Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4-5; Luke 3:21/ 7:29-30)....if he was, then he would have received John's baptism, which was temporary, however, even J's baptism was for "remission of sins"......You, sir, have been misled
TruthChamp 1 year ago
WHAT IS THE MEANING OF BAPTISM
1. It Illustrates Christ's burial and Resurrection. (I Cor. 15:3-4 / Rom 6:3-6 / Colossians 2:12)
2. It illustrates my new life as a christian.
(Cor 5:17 / Acts 4:12 / Eph 2:8-9 / I Pet 3:21)
2.
EriCLopEzSavEllanO 1 year ago
Let the Bible speak...
(ROMANS 10:9) -- if you confess w/ your mouth "Jesus is Lord..."
MATTHEW 7:21 -- not everyone who calls me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven...
JAMES 2:17 -- show your faith by what you do, "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that.
JAMES 24 -- "YOU SEE THAT A PERSON IS JUSTIFIED BY WHAT HE DOES AND NOT BY FAITH ALONE."
EriCLopEzSavEllanO 2 years ago
Romans 10:9 plain and simple
your video is great but you failed to differentiate between water baptism & baptism by the spirit.
Jesus Christ referred to himself as the water, but as far as water baptism- its an outward identification of the inward relationship that you started with Jesus Christ.
Water Baptism is the physical representation of Baptism by the Spirit
318Ghost 2 years ago
the word baptism doesnt exist in the original translation. we are baptized in the holy spirit at the very moment we repent of our sin and make Jesus Lord of our life. personally, i was water baptized approx 3 weeks later, and know first hand that isnt what saved me. if water baptism was necessary, thats saying the cross wasnt enough and it takes a work of man to complete salvation. it amazes me how you can read these verses and not see the true meaning. may your eyes be opened.
JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U 2 years ago
this video misinterprets the word. we are to be immersed in the spirit. "baptism" is essential, but ONLY BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. water baptism is a public profession of faith, its not what saves. i experienced baptism/washing away of my sin the moment i repented and made Jesus Christ the Lord of my life. it wasnt until weeks later i was water baptized, and i can say it had nothing to do with my actual salvation. do not be misled, water baptism is a work of man, not of the Holy Spirit.
JesusIsTheOnlyWay4U 2 years ago
God bless you for your faith in God. If you would rather be a Chrisian and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, you would see that it is not emotions or feelings that God rewards, but faith and obedience. Jesus Christ taught baptism in Jesus name for salvation( that is the Great Commission).The scriptures are clear: John 3:1-7; Mark 16:15-16; Matthew 28:18-19; Luke 24:46-46; 1 Peter 3:19-21; Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:1-5; Romans 6:3-5: Gal 3:27; Col 2:10-12: Titus 3:5.This does not contradict
keeper0425 1 year ago
Great video! Why would anyone preach against baptism?
MrActs2216 2 years ago
I would not mind getting dunked in Jesus name once a month. It wasone of the greatest days of my life being baptised in that great name. I think i will go get my wife and have her dunk me in the bath tube right now in Jesus Name, I Love It
unocool6 2 years ago 2
@unocool6 I remember being worried about baptism, It really worried me yet I knew that it was up to GOD when this would take place, I couldn't force it nor could I speed up the process. Then there was one week when I underwent the most vivid of dreams, that were truly testing my trust in the LORD.
aaeoni 2 years ago
@aaeoni One was where the earth was crumbling around me and at first I ran but there was no running then all of a sudden I realized this and stopped running and just looked up to heaven and said in my heart if it be your will GOD then so be it, immediately the crumbling of the earth around me was held back and a way was made for me to escape. This happened for three nights and they were all different types of scenerios. Then the last night I awoke very quickly woke up my husband and said
aaeoni 2 years ago
@aaeoni " It's time you have to baptize me now." He just jumped up and filled up the bath tub, I got in with my pj'S. He prayed and Baptized me right there in the tub. When I rose up out of the water I felt this weight lifted off my shoulders and I just laughed non stop for hours. My husband just let me be and I cried such joy it was amazing. For me it wasn't in a huge Church it wasn't in a lake somewhere like i thought it might be it was right in my own tub with my husband and GOD as my witness
aaeoni 2 years ago
"And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." -Acts 22:16.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
All of the scriptures used to justify the false teaching that baptism is necessary for salvation have been taken out of context. Some do not even mention baptism at all, which is really disturbing. Christians are saved by the blood of Christ and Christ alone, not baptism.
ronpaul08supporter 2 years ago
@ronpaul08supporter It is through Baptism that the blood of Jesus is applied to our lives. Here are some scriptures: "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ" -Galatians 3:26-27
ezmyreld 2 years ago
I believe you are taking the above scriptures out of context, (Gal. 3:26-27, Ac. 22:16, etc.) You are correct that baptism is related to salvation, it is, after all, a physical representation of what has already taken place in the heart of the saved. We are not saved by mere representations of Christ's death burial and resurrection, we are ACTUALLY saved BY His death, burial and Resurrection. Like the old hynm says, "what can wash away my sin, nothing but the blood of Jesus."
ronpaul08supporter 2 years ago
@ronpaul08supporter "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ" -Galatians 3:26-27
ezmyreld 2 years ago
Gal 3:26-27 obviously refers to baptism as the symbol of a believer's regenerate heart...Ac. 2:38 says "for the remission of sins"...the word "for" an be rephrased "as a result of"..you see,the forgiveness already took place...Peter acknowledged that the crowd demonstrated saving faith so he tells them to be baptized, in obedience...if baptism is nec. for salvation then how do you explain why it is not mentioned in Rom. 10:9-13? Baptism is a symbol, and we are not saved by symbols.
ronpaul08supporter 2 years ago
One point I want to make is that the book of Romans to the book of revelation were all letters written to the church. Read the first chapter of every one of those books and you will find that this is true. The only place where we can find the exact preaching of the Apostles tellings sinners how to be born of water and of the spirit, it is in the book of acts, not Romans to Revelation. Study to show yourself approved.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
It has been said, in certain commentaries, that Acts 2:38's "for the remission of sins" means something else than what it plainly states. "'For'(as used in Acts 2:38 'for the forgiveness...')could have two meanings. If you saw a poster saying 'Jesse James wanted for robbery', 'for' could mean Jesse is wanted so he can commit a robbery, or is wanted because he has committed a robbery. The later sense is the correct one. So too in this passage, the word 'for' signifies an action in the past
ezmyreld 2 years ago
so you agree with me that, the "for" in the Ac.2:38 passage refers to the fact that the sins of the believer were forgiven before baptism? I would hold that view as well, as for your statement indicating that Romans-Revelation as somehow not being a reliable source of the Holy Scriptures, I am astounded. You are a picking and choosing the Scriptures you want to believe. You might as well take scissors and cut outRom.-Rev. of your Bible. You still haven't answered my question about Rom.10:9-13.
ronpaul08supporter 2 years ago
Let me clear up this misunderstanding. The first thing I would like to point out about this particular commentary, is the phrase "'for' (as used in Acts 2:38) *COULD* have two meanings".
ezmyreld 2 years ago
The reason I can make this challenge SO confidently, is this- In the English, indeed, "for" could mean such as that "Jesse is wanted because he has committed a robbery," Or even that "for the remission of sins" similarly, considering the English only, could mean that "for the remission of sins" meant for the remission of sins that had already happened."HOWEVER- in the Greek, the word 'eis' is NEVER used in such a context.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
Let me clear up another misunderstanding. You have accused me of discrediting Romans to Revelation. I am not trying to discrediting any part of the Bible in any way. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."2 Timothy 3:16-17. I am only trying to help you understand something about the Bible you claim to believe.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
I will ask you one last time, what is your explanation of Romans 10:9-13?
ronpaul08supporter 2 years ago
The serpent is subtle, it is slick. It captures your focus. It get's you to focusing on something other than what is right to focus on, to get you to come up some other way. And the Bible says: "He that enters not by the door but tries to climb up some other way is the same as a thief and a robber." And to answer your question (which is a good question) Lets look at John 3:5.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
Let's go to the book of Genesis, and I'll show you what I'm talking about. "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
you say "I am only trying to help you understand something about the Bible you claim to believe"....what you are doing ezmyreld, is avoiding the issue...the issue is the Gospel of Jesus Christ...salvation of our souls...you're talkin' about Adam and Eve, Genesis, 2 Timothy...you're doing everything but facing head-on Romans 10:9-13...your next reply needs to address Romans 10:9-13...If you don't explain this passage in your next reply, then this discussion is over
ronpaul08supporter 2 years ago
@ronpaul08supporter Ok Ronpaul. I'm not trying to avoid the subject. Although you have avoided the fact that I had already given you the answer to your question. THE BOOK OF ROMANS WAS WRITTEN TO THOSE THAT HAVE ALREADY OBEYED THE GOSPEL IN ACTS 2:38 the saints, the born again believers, as I have previously stated this on the blog, but you falsely accused me of not considering other scriptures.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
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Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Who were these scriptures written to?
ezmyreld 2 years ago
What is the gospel of Jesus Christ? Let the Bible speak. 1Co 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you,which also ye have received,and wherein ye stand;By which also ye are saved,if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,unless ye have believed in vain.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;And that he was buried,and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
ezmyreld 2 years ago
HOW DOES ONE OBEY THE DEATH, BURIAL, AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. -Acts 2:38
ezmyreld 2 years ago
OBEYING THE DEATH-REPENTANCE "...Our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin" -Romans 6:6-7.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
OBEYING THE BURIAL-BAPTISM "Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death? Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism..." -Romans 6:3-4.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
OBEYING THE RESURRECTION-THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
One last thing, those scriptures that I quoted in Genesis illustrated how Satan works through deception. Even though he quoted the word of God, "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" He layed aside the commandment of God by stating, " Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
ezmyreld 2 years ago
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."Gen. 3:1-5. What Satan did here, though he quoted the word of God, was he layed aside the commandment of God and stated his own interpretation of what God said. The problem with his interpretation is that it layed aside the commandment of God, "You shall not eat of it lest ye die,"
ezmyreld 2 years ago
Because some people can't accept that this passage says what it means, they interpret the passage based on their interpretations, rather than on the concrete usages, and Dictionary definitions, of such words as "eis."
ezmyreld 2 years ago
Here is Strong's Definition of eis-for" New Testament Greek Definition:1519 eis{ice}a primary preposition; TDNT-2:420,211; prep AV - into 573, to 281, unto 207, for 140, in 138, on 58, toward 29, against 26, misc 322; 1774 1) into, unto, to, towards, for, among The word "eis" is found, according to this reference, 1774 times in the NT. It is translated as the word "into" 573 times, "to" 281 times, and "unto" 207 times. It is translated into the word "for" only 140 times in the NT.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
Matthew 26:28-29
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins, but I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fathers kingdom Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
Luke 1:76-77
And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Highest; For you will go before the face of the Lord to prepare His ways, To give knowledge of salvation to His people by the remission of their sins.
Luke 3:3
And he went into all the region around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins,
ezmyreld 2 years ago
Which of us, by our own power and devices, by dipping into a body of water could possibly wash our souls clean of sin and iniquity? But if we are baptized in response to God's call, isn't our action then an act of faith in the operation of God?
ezmyreld 2 years ago
Thank you.
pineapplesurprise 2 years ago
Jesus was baptized by John and He called it fulfilling righteousness-not works!
Paul met some deciples baptised by John...and rebaptized them into Jesus--WHY? The real salvation came through the cross for Jesus and for us. We MUST follow Him through Death, Burial and Resurrection, which is ONLY accomplished through Baptism into His name. Read Romans 6: 3-5 Paul explains baptism.
No proper baptism--no real salvation.
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wilby1414 2 years ago
Jesus always said He came in His Father's name. Jesus resurrected the Christ. Jesus and the Father are one. Therefore the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost is ???
Through transliteration we got the name of Jesus but what is His real name?
He was known as Yesha in Hebrew. Yesha, Yeshua, and His full name YahuShuah. Remember YHVH the unspeakable name of God?
Are three forms is called YahuShuah?
Do we all need to get rebaptized into His proper name?
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wilby1414 2 years ago
A lot of people get this mindset that baptism isn't something God ordained, but it's more like a tradition man set up; really it's just people whose denominational background taught them to be ignorant about passages about baptism...
which explains why so many people have such a hard time accepting that baptism could play a part in salvation.
ndbass09 2 years ago
Anyone who thinks Baptism is not necessary has been decieved.
The example also should be given of when the Apostles actually rebaptised some men because it was important that the be baptised correctly. Now, if it wasn't necesarry, why did they do that? Oh, wait, it is necessary, that's why.
HomesliceDrummer 2 years ago 3
if we are saved by one baptism then which one saves us?
stopplayingchurch 2 years ago
First of all, we will be saved because Jesus died for us. That what his task to perform on behlaf of our sake. Praise be to Him for that.
Baptism is a part of our end of the deal. It must be performed properly by someone who is an authorized servant of God, which is to say a person who has been ordained to the Holy Prisethood.
The apostles were ordained and chosen by Jesus Christ ad held the Priesthood authority. All men who perform baptisms must also hold this same Authority.
HomesliceDrummer 2 years ago
So according to what you wrote, because my Husband is not a Priest he has no authority to baptize me & therefore I need to be re-baptized? nowadays there are so many who claim they are given authority by GOD to do many things, pastors are now among some of the worst. I went to church where the pastor was biblical but something changed. We spent an entire service giving praise to Judaism and it was very weird, I love the Jews but it turned from respect to worship it was so uncomfortable.
aaeoni 2 years ago
This is one of a few things that got strange. Maybe it was that he is getting old like Solomon? I still congregate with believers but I don't want to spend my days looking for the right "pastor" when JESUS said "where two or three are gathered in my name I am in the midst of them " Yeah church can get you fuzzy and warm and make you feel like you did something but I have found too many fallacies in the Churches of today. Its the Laodician era. I trust GOD will teach me in all things and HE is.
aaeoni 2 years ago
Exactly what I am saying.
And not every one who is a priest of a church has authority either. Read Hebrews 5 verse 4, and then study that out.
Only those called of God by revelation and have been ordained to the priesthood of God (by one that also holds the authority) have the authority to baptize in the name of Christ. In the New Testament, John the baptist, Christ and the apostles held authority. Technically those who wre ordained as bishops in the early church also held the authority.
HomesliceDrummer 2 years ago
One Lord, one faith, one baptsim.
Ephesians 4:5
If you read further into the chapter, it is explained clearly that the church also must contain prophets and apostles so that everyone comes to a unity of the faith and not be decieved.
Ephesians 2:20 says the foundation of the church is apostles and prophets. They were taken away. Remove the foundation, the rest fell down.
It is obvious, because we aren't in a unity of the faith. It is result of the absence of prophets and apostles.
HomesliceDrummer 2 years ago
You are right we are in absence of REAL Apostles and REAL prophets...instead we get these phony baloney clowns who can read what your thinking quite well but have no real power in the spirit realm
stopplayingchurch 2 years ago
What if God called a real prophet and apostles again and has restored the ancient church, the authority of the priesthood and the spirit of revelation?
Wouldn't you like to know if that happened?
HomesliceDrummer 2 years ago
can you show me where in the Bible the Apostles rebaptised someone because im having trouble finding it? i know that Paul really underrates the process of Baptism in 1 corin. 1:14-17 and since you claim it was important how do you reconcile the two views on Baptism in Paul's eyes?
thanks alot
sorkinanton 2 years ago
Acts 19, kind sir.
Acts 8 is also a good one where they believed in Christ, and then took upon themselves his name and were baptised.
It's not only important, but absolutely necesarry.
Baptism is for the remission of sins.(Mark 1:4). So until you are baptised and recieve the holy spirit (baptism of fire Matthew 3:11 ; Mark 1:8), you are not forgiven of your sins.
How did the apsotles give the Holy Ghost? Acts 8:18 "The laying on of hands"
HomesliceDrummer 2 years ago
Read the verses again and try to understand more fully what he was saying.
Crispus and Gaius were church leaders with authority and baptised the people already. Acts 18:8 tells us that Crispus baptised those in Corinth.
Paul's mission in that place was not to baptise, but to preach. The people had already been baptised, you see?
Just because his mission was not to baptize (because it had already been done), that in no way means that it is unimportant nor did Paul mean to hint at that.
HomesliceDrummer 2 years ago
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gopchristian 2 years ago
so you believe that "faith" is not sufficiency for the remission of sins but it must be accompanied with the act of baptism. do you also believe that our salvation is not sealed and that we can lose it?
sorkinanton 2 years ago
Well, first you have to define "faith" as it is explained in the scriptures. Over and over again, the scriptures hint at the fact that to have true faith, you must follow and do the things Jesus commanded us to do.
"DO" is the key word. We are not saved by works, but they are the evidence of our faith. They go hand in hand. Baptism is to recieve a remission of our sins, as the bible teaches, which is a "work" by definition.
You can lose your salvation by turning aganst god, absolutely.
HomesliceDrummer 2 years ago
baptism isnt a act, but it is being obidient. Mark 16:16 and yes you can give away salvation. I mean if we are once saved always saved, why does the devil still tempt us. (cause he wants you to fall) look at book of acts, many people were baptized, dont fight it, baptism is apart of salvation. Its biblical and the bible supports it.
Acerrak 2 years ago 2
There are far too many verses telling us to basically 'hold on until the end' to even mention here....
pineapplesurprise 2 years ago
@sorkinanton Have you ever heard of obedience by faith. It is by faith that we obey the gospel to be saved. "...Faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone... I will shew thee my faith by my works... by works a man is justified, and not by faith alone" -James 2:17-24.
ezmyreld 2 years ago
Good job!
willmonchic 2 years ago
Britannica Encyclo -11th Ed, Vol 3, pg365 - Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to words Father, Son & Holy Ghost in 2nd Century.Canney Encyc of Religion -The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the 2nd century.Hastings Encyc.of Relig. Vol 2 - Christian baptism was done,"in the name of Jesus." pg 377. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until time of Justin Martyr, pg 389 Herzog Religious Encyclo Vol 1, pg435 The N. T. knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.
300tamales 2 years ago
Very good defense of the faith that was once (for all) delivered to the saints. I am amazed that there is any debate concerning this subject.
gopchristian 2 years ago
Grace is God's favor reflected in our life.Just as Moses face shown after he conversed with God-so is grace.You don't have Grace in your life for long without obedience.Remember faith without works is dead.Bring forth fruit meet for repentance.What Paul was saying was in his time some wanted Gentiles not only to be baptized in Jesus Christ but be circumcised and follow portions of the law.Don't disgrace grace.Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound.Baptism in Jesus name is essential.Peace
luztheloser 2 years ago
The Church of Christ adheres to a "Cut & Paste" theology. They assume that every time you see "baptism" written in the Bible it refers to "water baptism" and that is error. Clearly John the Baptist spoke of the difference- "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I...He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Matt 3:11. They sing of Amazing Grace, but their legalistic salvation by "works" is not Grace at all, and it is far from Amazing.
morty58 3 years ago
morty58, U r right Jhn's bptim was w/ watr unto repent, NT bptsm for remis of sins. Eph 4:5...one baptism. There Were more than one b4, Now only one. Your problm is which one. Close xam of script is water baptsm. Bptsm-the HG was givn only 2x that was to guide the apostles n2 all truth Jn16:13, and Acts 10 hslhld of Corneilius, the later to show the Jews the Gentls were now acptble. Bptsm HG was 4 a specfc reason instant teachng 2 spread the Word no complet bible existd.1 bpts is w/watr Act 8
6153calme 1 year ago
NT baptsm is the only way to get into Christ Rom 6:3 if u r not baptsd w/watr you are not in Christ. John's bptsm put no one n2 Christ. I am sure no one want to be baptzd w/fire. I know I don't. Why don't those who say watr bptsm is not essent to salvatn get bptzd w/fire. God told Moses to follow the pattern he was givn. If u deviate u r disobednt, so if Eph 4:5 says 1Lord 1faith 1baptsm, bptsm is a part of faith not apart from faith. Which part of the pattrn can I remov and still be saved?
6153calme 1 year ago
Those agnst watr bptsm keep saying spirit bptsm, they never say how you baptze someone with spirit or is it Spirit baptsm. What would spirit bptsm do 4 us 2day? We have the Book, we have all truth. There are no apostles to lay hand on us to give us this measure of HG. In ACT 10 Cornelius Hshld was baptzd w/watr also. What if God had not sent Petr would HG have fallen. Peter had to tell him Cornelius what 2 do. Is not the same measure of HG apstles had, if it were he would have known what to do.
6153calme 1 year ago
In every xmple of HS bptsm there is a sign showing it is from God. If we were bptzed w/HS 2day who would know. Acts 2 it was demonstated by the apostle and visible to all there, as in Acts 10. If someone can visibly show this 2day I would attend church wherever they are. Each time HS bptsm took place Words were spoken, what words could u speak 2day and cause such an event. Show me your HS bptsm. Every HS bptsm was sent by God as proof that it was from God. How can u prove 2day u are bptzd w/HG?
6153calme 1 year ago
it's none denominational, i would sugguest checking out the beliefs of your local church of christ because what he is saying is what we believe. Strictly scripture and we don't belong to any denomination. We belong to christ Amen
Davitt1234 3 years ago
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The Church of Christ adheres to a "Cut & Paste" theology. They assume that every time you see "baptism" written in the Bible it refers to "water baptism" and that is error. Clearly John the Baptist spoke of the difference- "I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I...He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." Matt 3:11. They sing of Amazing Grace, but their legalistice salvation by "works" is not Grace at all, and it is far from Amazing.
morty58 3 years ago
Very good video! Yes, baptism is necessary for salvation! Thank you for this video! God bless you!
alexhevesi 3 years ago
I ask this alot but I would like to know what denomination your from. I know it shouldnt matter but I agree with you and ask to gather in my mind all those who are my brothers. So for example if I ever past by your churches within the denominations I wont "that is a false church" because i will know that there is someone like you in there.
jonyrock777 3 years ago
One takes a Tylenol FOR a headache, NOT to get a headache but because they have a headache. I was baptized in water FOR the forgiveness of sins NOT to get the forgiveness of sin but because I have the forgiveness of sins. I was baptized because I was command to be. God does the saving.
Repenttrust 3 years ago
Amen! Very well presented. There are so many people that need to see videos like this because it is so simple to understand and you just cannot argue with it beacuse it is simply what the bible says. Nothing has been added or taken away from the bible. It's God's word.
bradleycpttd 3 years ago
Wonderful, easy-to-understand video Brother Norm!
rachrach50 3 years ago
Amen brother. Keep laying down the truth. Baptism is indeed essential for salvation! Ignore man and listen to the Bible. :)
oklahomaweather1 4 years ago 2
Eph.2:4-6 "But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions; it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus"
How and when did God raise us up and make us alive with Christ? Read Col.2:11-14
Baptism and faith are inseparable in Gal.3:26,27. Peter declares that "baptism saves" (I Peter 3:21).
NadNareek 4 years ago 2