Excellent video, thanks for sharing :-) Its a shame we couldn't see your feet in the clip...I would've liked to see your footwork and use of sanchin, thanks again :-)
This is totaly Wing Tsun and has nothing to do with Clasical Karate. They also do a lot of things just wrong. It is ok to train with different methods, but you should be honest about it and say that it comes from Wing Tsun. And has absolutely nothing to do with Karate.
After watching the video again, I can say that the trapping and "hand passing" are quite typical of good Uechi ryu including, if not especially, Sanchin kata. Every joint lock on the video is found in authentic Okinawan tuidi. The Naihanchi kata are particularly heavy on tuidi (according to Okinawan masters).
Pushing-hands is called Kakie and really looks nothing like Wing-tsun chi-sao.
To suggest that this video "has nothing to do with Classical Karate" is just LUDICROUS.
PS, yes I did notice the 3-4 seconds of material that looked like chi-sao. But there is a two hand form (mororte) of kakie that is not unlike that, although it doesn't seem very common even among Okinawans. In any event, we are still just talking about 3 or 4 seconds. The other material looks like pretty straight forward Okinawan karate. Judging from his kakie, I suspect NJ has done Tai Chi, and that Tai chi has influenced his martial arts more than Wing Tsun.
The question is how much do you know about Classical Okinawan Karate? Secondly, without giving credit to "Wing Chun," tode (what you call classical karate), means china hand and comes from Southern Shaolin systems. The Okinawans always gave credit to the Chinese systems.
Its great to see contact reflex drills for karate. I wish all martial arts would use these kinds of drills; in this way we would not see so much kick boxing going on regardless of style.
Not bad, guys. I'm an Isshyinru Sensei but was introduced to this form of training years ago and have always found it very beneficial in training and teaching. One critique: Regulate your breathing a little better. This will reduce a lot of the tension I noticed in your transitions from defensive to offensive positions. Other than that keep up the good work and thanks for posting.
You are looking as though you are beginning to practice Tai Chi Chuan... although you have not yet learned to move with softness.
I recommend that you find a martial Tai Chi Chuan instructor and study how they move with principles that allow an equal and far superior technique to what I am watching with only 4 ounces of the effort that you are applying.
I say this not as as insult to what you do. You have trained very hard and your hard-style martial arts must be very good...
Interesting... karate black belts train techniques similar to chi sao from the wing chun kung fu style. Take a look at double blocks, blocking and punching at the same time.
does it really work? what the fuck do you think? if i punch you in the face what would you do. if it was one of them i bet they wont flinch for starters. since they do this alot i bet, they would smother, deflect, etc....does this shit work? pfff
you know what? alot of people talk about the phrase " in a real fight " or "does this work " i dont see what the questions are about especially if you have fought before. erevything works. some work better than others and some work best with others...and then there are some that work just fine all by themselves. i hope you are not a fighter and asking this question...
It works if you have contact (forearm contact). you get contact anytime someone punches and the other one blocks, so thats quite often. push hands is the step between drills and free sparring, and in my oppinion is as good as sparring for a real life situation. in real life you probably wont start the fight from a distance with your guard up, you'll probably be very close yelling at each other and someone good in push hands would have a significant advantage. its for close combat.
This is great to see, I have read barefoot zen about five times and each time a new penny drops. Its a shame that most people still perceive what was designed as a meditation and form of spiritual enlightenment as a form of fighting..much respect to you!!
I have got the book, written by Nathan Johnson, and let me just say, what they have going on here is really incredible. You have my respect. Thank you for uploading,
None of the applications you see here are pre-arranged; it's a form of improvisation and reactions to what your partner is doing. We use Sanchin, Rokushu/Tensho and Naihanchin in this activity and they are interconnected by a series of push/pull techniques working on the six-gate principle and body mechanics.
okinawan uechi-ryu karateka here.. well fuck me if this isn't one of the coolest things i've watched lately. we always try to do push hands/sticky hands in open kumite, obviously we should be trying to create pre-arranged kumite like these..
SOME ONE SAID; Check out the book The name Jujitsu us created by the founder of Kaneguchi Ryu which in early 1500's adopted Taoist classic Lao Zi's philosophy of Rou (Ju) as the main core of this new style of martial art.
God i miss doing that, I thought it was Zen Shorin Do back when i was training. shame i can't seem to find anything thing that uses Kata in a way that this martial art does. I advise anyone to do it, Its almost spiritual how pushing hands affects the mind and stuff. I give it 5 Stars lol :D
Whether Okinawan or otherwise, the best Karate has this type of training. The best part of it all is that even though it's a Chinese concept, the movements have a distinct Japanese flavor. Very cool.
Good to see Japanese Karate is incorporating pushing hands back into their system. It's nice to see more of its chinese principles coming back to the surface.
its about time... this is the first video I have seen on "karate sticky hands". I switched to Wing Chun along time ago for the sticky hands etc. I could never find a Goju teacher etc. that knew Kakie/push hands. I found out that sticky hands is what is missing in Karate in America. Thanks.
Excellent video, thanks for sharing :-) Its a shame we couldn't see your feet in the clip...I would've liked to see your footwork and use of sanchin, thanks again :-)
dawsieboi 7 months ago
The music is so beautiful where is it from?
tripitaka99 11 months ago
@tripitaka99 ...The music was very kindly created for The Great Karate Myth, by Duncan Thomas & Elliot Cohen - Ko-do Ryu instructors in Manchester.
kodoryu 11 months ago
This is totaly Wing Tsun and has nothing to do with Clasical Karate. They also do a lot of things just wrong. It is ok to train with different methods, but you should be honest about it and say that it comes from Wing Tsun. And has absolutely nothing to do with Karate.
sportbo 1 year ago
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thecontemplative2 1 year ago
@sportbo
Not Win-tsun. Before spouting off again try googling kakie, karamidi, tuidi etc
This is pretty well within the parameters of Okinawan arts as I learned them.
thecontemplative2 1 year ago
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sportbo 1 year ago
@sportbo
After watching the video again, I can say that the trapping and "hand passing" are quite typical of good Uechi ryu including, if not especially, Sanchin kata. Every joint lock on the video is found in authentic Okinawan tuidi. The Naihanchi kata are particularly heavy on tuidi (according to Okinawan masters).
Pushing-hands is called Kakie and really looks nothing like Wing-tsun chi-sao.
To suggest that this video "has nothing to do with Classical Karate" is just LUDICROUS.
thecontemplative2 1 year ago
@thecontemplative2
PS, yes I did notice the 3-4 seconds of material that looked like chi-sao. But there is a two hand form (mororte) of kakie that is not unlike that, although it doesn't seem very common even among Okinawans. In any event, we are still just talking about 3 or 4 seconds. The other material looks like pretty straight forward Okinawan karate. Judging from his kakie, I suspect NJ has done Tai Chi, and that Tai chi has influenced his martial arts more than Wing Tsun.
thecontemplative2 1 year ago
@sportbo
The question is how much do you know about Classical Okinawan Karate? Secondly, without giving credit to "Wing Chun," tode (what you call classical karate), means china hand and comes from Southern Shaolin systems. The Okinawans always gave credit to the Chinese systems.
ronin752 1 year ago
This is similar to the sticky hands in wing tsun. The guy on the left was leaning too far in though.
DuykRuyk 1 year ago
Its great to see contact reflex drills for karate. I wish all martial arts would use these kinds of drills; in this way we would not see so much kick boxing going on regardless of style.
alopda1 2 years ago
@alopda1 Yeah, I agree. Although I don't think Muay Thai would be doing a pushing hand drills anytime soon, heh heh.
akirahojo2 1 year ago
just wondering if you are goana put a new video on youtube...
grbushido 2 years ago
Not bad, guys. I'm an Isshyinru Sensei but was introduced to this form of training years ago and have always found it very beneficial in training and teaching. One critique: Regulate your breathing a little better. This will reduce a lot of the tension I noticed in your transitions from defensive to offensive positions. Other than that keep up the good work and thanks for posting.
wickedkata 2 years ago
You are looking as though you are beginning to practice Tai Chi Chuan... although you have not yet learned to move with softness.
I recommend that you find a martial Tai Chi Chuan instructor and study how they move with principles that allow an equal and far superior technique to what I am watching with only 4 ounces of the effort that you are applying.
I say this not as as insult to what you do. You have trained very hard and your hard-style martial arts must be very good...
hillarybernhardt 2 years ago 2
wow to think i used to do all that miss it so much
xLENGLIISHx 2 years ago
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tennisbowlbowl 2 years ago
Way too stiff. Push hands is supposed to be an exercise of sensitivity and flow. This looks more like a freestyle adaptation of wing chun.
hwyyhn 2 years ago
hahah es my maths teacher!
CWJ12345678910 2 years ago
pahahaa, my maths teacher. what a cool kiddo ;D
medicallyspeakingxo 2 years ago
LOLOL maths teacher ahahahahahah xDDD
ZEEink 2 years ago
Woot thats awesome stuff!
David Blachford is my maths teacher! I didnt know he had sooo much hidden talent this is sooo cool!
XJOANNEX14 2 years ago
the one on the left at the beginning is now a very strict maths teacher at our school ahahah
kiizziie 2 years ago
Love it. Best thing I've seen on here in a long time.
sobersamurai 2 years ago
Interesting... karate black belts train techniques similar to chi sao from the wing chun kung fu style. Take a look at double blocks, blocking and punching at the same time.
psikor81 2 years ago
does that shit rilly work
undesputedpounder 2 years ago
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varva79 2 years ago
does it really work? what the fuck do you think? if i punch you in the face what would you do. if it was one of them i bet they wont flinch for starters. since they do this alot i bet, they would smother, deflect, etc....does this shit work? pfff
opticannon 2 years ago
so does it work
undesputedpounder 2 years ago
you know what? alot of people talk about the phrase " in a real fight " or "does this work " i dont see what the questions are about especially if you have fought before. erevything works. some work better than others and some work best with others...and then there are some that work just fine all by themselves. i hope you are not a fighter and asking this question...
opticannon 2 years ago
i would fall and act like i am blind i am crazy like that so fu
undesputedpounder 2 years ago
hah, thats a good one. almost as good as faking a heart attack.
opticannon 2 years ago
It works if you have contact (forearm contact). you get contact anytime someone punches and the other one blocks, so thats quite often. push hands is the step between drills and free sparring, and in my oppinion is as good as sparring for a real life situation. in real life you probably wont start the fight from a distance with your guard up, you'll probably be very close yelling at each other and someone good in push hands would have a significant advantage. its for close combat.
whitecraneman 2 years ago
I do Shorinji Kan Jujitsu and I've always heard it called sticky hands... is this karate?
upyoumortypants 2 years ago
very cool stuff, in other systems i think they call it sticky hands. Good stuff though and fun to do
neonninja1 2 years ago
I never seen this type of push hands drill. But it looks good.
SithV1 3 years ago
Nathan san,
Love your stuff - great work.
b4iruru18 3 years ago
Does anyone remeber Chan Tao
mcd081066 3 years ago
this video shows the soft and following side of karatedo that was influence of china
grbushido 3 years ago
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varva79 2 years ago
Tui te? Okinawan Push hands?
TonyNhollywood 3 years ago
This is great to see, I have read barefoot zen about five times and each time a new penny drops. Its a shame that most people still perceive what was designed as a meditation and form of spiritual enlightenment as a form of fighting..much respect to you!!
isthereatruth 3 years ago 2
This looks really hard, i meen its acctaly not, =D its quite simple cuz i do this form of karateits good fun ^^
xFierceDeityLinkx 3 years ago
Ai que amor...
Iths loving...
NINJASPIRITBR 3 years ago
This is just amazing. I am totally impressed, but wish I had been introduced to this years ago. Where can we obtain video training in this ?
Shinkyu42 3 years ago
good... when i think of push hands, this is what i expect to see. way too much BS out there in the "world of martial arts"
csthundercat 4 years ago 6
I have got the book, written by Nathan Johnson, and let me just say, what they have going on here is really incredible. You have my respect. Thank you for uploading,
BlackDice572 4 years ago
Thankyou for the postive comments
Tommax2007 4 years ago
Better than most of the Kakie garbage i see out there. Although I still see alot of faults in the internal sense. But good stuff,
cloud0123 4 years ago
None of the applications you see here are pre-arranged; it's a form of improvisation and reactions to what your partner is doing. We use Sanchin, Rokushu/Tensho and Naihanchin in this activity and they are interconnected by a series of push/pull techniques working on the six-gate principle and body mechanics.
gaugustcrane 4 years ago 4
okinawan uechi-ryu karateka here.. well fuck me if this isn't one of the coolest things i've watched lately. we always try to do push hands/sticky hands in open kumite, obviously we should be trying to create pre-arranged kumite like these..
simple, yet incredible stuff.
wkucinsk 4 years ago 3
SOME ONE SAID; Check out the book The name Jujitsu us created by the founder of Kaneguchi Ryu which in early 1500's adopted Taoist classic Lao Zi's philosophy of Rou (Ju) as the main core of this new style of martial art.
OK WHERE DO i GET IT?
jadm95111 4 years ago
God i miss doing that, I thought it was Zen Shorin Do back when i was training. shame i can't seem to find anything thing that uses Kata in a way that this martial art does. I advise anyone to do it, Its almost spiritual how pushing hands affects the mind and stuff. I give it 5 Stars lol :D
Andrew7775543 5 years ago 3
ko-do ryu is bridging the gap between karate and kung fu by teaching kakie/pushing hands, as it was intended to be passed on.
gaugustcrane 5 years ago 2
Whether Okinawan or otherwise, the best Karate has this type of training. The best part of it all is that even though it's a Chinese concept, the movements have a distinct Japanese flavor. Very cool.
WarriorBoy 5 years ago 2
Or is this Okinawan Karate?
akirahojo 5 years ago
Good to see Japanese Karate is incorporating pushing hands back into their system. It's nice to see more of its chinese principles coming back to the surface.
akirahojo 5 years ago
its about time... this is the first video I have seen on "karate sticky hands". I switched to Wing Chun along time ago for the sticky hands etc. I could never find a Goju teacher etc. that knew Kakie/push hands. I found out that sticky hands is what is missing in Karate in America. Thanks.
wuxingwarrior 5 years ago
This is good, however, I would still feel like I would be missing out on blind side fighting and the various wing chun techniques.
FITGREATGUY 5 years ago
good pushing hands with great applications for real boxing kata; sanchin, rokushu, naihanchin, and proper use of the chinese gate system.
gaugustcrane 5 years ago