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1.) RTD didn't want Jack being TFOB seriously, so could be coinsidence.
2.) Are you blind? "Think what the face of boe said" Jack looks down. "His dying words" Jack looks up. Right before Martha was going to finish the YANA speech, Jack stared back down like he was expecting something.
It might just be a continuity error, but "Think what the face of boe said" Jack looks down. "His dying words" Jack looks up. Right before Martha was going to finish the YANA speech, Jack stared back down like he was expecting something. Methinks he was expecting one of his old catchphrases..
So, in reality, it's actually Martha who delivers the 'You are not alone' message. Jack only remembered it from here. Kept it with him. Knew when to deliver it. I'd say Davies pretty much has all his ducks in a row. Learn to view it from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint. Then you'll see it's a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey.... stuff...
jack looked at her when she said the face of bo and she didnt finish the phrase "dying words" so jack looked at her like what did i say? but he never heard dying words
The writers hint at things seasons before it is revealed with many things I'm not sue about this one, but no matter what it is brilliant writing. Everything is thought through and is always in mind even before we have a clue. I doubt you could get even remotely close to this type of writing.
Well, think about it, the Face of Boe was around at all the times in history that a young Captain Jack was apart of, he probably just never thought about it (and his future self stayed clear of his younger self)
And there is no denying that after five billion years, The Face of Boe would be as clever as the Doctor and would have figured out how things worked out.
When I watched the series I didn't even notice at all, as I suspect many others had not either. It does not matter if it was whim, a well thought idea, or maybe even bad acting; it was still a cool idea.
He did react. There wasn't a long, dramatic shot on his face, but focusing on small details to build up the audience has always been Moffat's thing, not Russell's. If you watch carefully, you can see his head turn quickly when she mentioned it, and then he seems to be lost in thought, like he's putting it together.
We learned in Torchwood (the episode 'Adam') how Jack can bury his memories. I agree with Mudgeanella - I don't think he's going to remember, especially when the universe is ending.
If we're going by number of episodes appeared in, then apart from the Doctors Martha is the longest-term character in the reboot so far except Rose, Amy and Rory.
not necesarrily, when rose saved him she brought him back... but no one knows how long he can live and the face of boe did live for billions of years!
@TheBellypop yes he lived a billion years, thats not immortal. he actually said in utopia I CANT DIE and the face of boe died, how can that be changed
@TheBellypop it was on doctor who series 3 episode 3 gridlock, all of new earth was trapped underground on a neverending motorway to stop a virus killing the population , when the virus killed everyone above they had noone but novice hame, and later the doctor to reopen the roof trapping them, but to get the rest of the power ,the face of boe had to give the rest of his life energy. jack cannot die until torchwood series 4 miracle day, which may explain how jack can die if he is boe, who knows
personally i think that your just over thinking it. I mean 1. Jack probably DID recognize it, thats why he took the time to tell them at the end of the 3 part special. 2. the ship was about to take off his mind was probably elsewhere. 3. No one really cares what MARTHA says she was an annoying short term character. >.>
@TheDeadGunslinger If no one cared what Martha says then The Master would never have been defeated. She was a great companion and if being the Doctor's companion for a whole series, be in Torchwood and also episodes in series 4 makes her a "short term character" then I don't understand what makes a long term one. I prefer Donna, but Martha is far better than Rose.
@Matty09Magic Well if you look at the series that she stared in. It was one of the shortest series i'v ever watched. The episode 'Blink' she wasn't even a starring role. she had very little 'character depth'. I don't know she just didn't really stand out to me. XD
@TheDeadGunslinger how can marthas series be the shortest, since series 1 in 2005 theyve all have the same number of episodes and episode lenghts are very close together (45-50 mins), and fyi blink and love & monsters were created to show little of the doctor and martha/(rose in love and monsters) so they could concentrate on other stories and have extra filming time on other vital scenes like the series finales, not to get rid of them for a bit and releive the viewers
@pigzrule787 exactly what I thought.. but again last time we saw him he said "face of boe they called me" so that should have rang a bell... Childhood nickname?
Look at his face around 0:30. Martha mentioned the Face of Boe and his dying words. Jack is staring off, his mouth open. His mind is having trouble wrapping around the info that Martha and the Doctor know of another version of him (with his old nickname) and the fact that they saw him die at some point. Especially since he had just finally resigned himself to being stuck as an immortal. This life-altering information hits him too fast and too hard to question it before the action starts.
@legendarymermaid Of course. Why else bring it up out of nowhere? The entire adventure is finally over and he turned around to practically say "Oh yeah, remember that 'Face of Boe' thing you mentioned earlier? I think I'm that dude."
He is practically giddy, not just from saving the world and being with the Doctor, but also with the newfound knowledge that somewhere, sometime he will run into him again and actually manage to die. Torchwood might refute that, I don't know. (Not a watcher)
Jack sort of frowned at her like he thought he hadn't heard her right.... He is the Face of Boe though. They confirmed it. 'Cause he can't die and keeps aging and ends up a face in a jar. How does this happen? Not a clue. Poor Jack. His sex life must be caput
@candymandy224 One of the satellight five eps has "The face of Boe confirmed he's pregnant again." and in the first episode of Torchwood, Jack makes a joke about having been pregnant. I'm pretty sure, knowing Jack, he figures out a way to keep right on going. ;)
Then after Captain Jack experienced the Series 3 finale, he would know that the Doctor wasn't the last of his kind and be able to tell him 5 billion years in the future when he was the Face of Boe. What a paradox. Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey barely covers it.
Yeah I remember my brother pointed out that Jack was present when Martha mentioned the Face of Boe. I think it did register, there just wasn't enough time for him to dwell on it. I completely disagree about Davies being a bad writer. He is skilled at portraying realistic Human emotions, even when handling alien characters. The Face of Boe scenario was cleverly planned out. The Master's created backstory as Human Yana had him found on the Silver Devastation (the home planet of the Face of Boe).
Look, you gotta admit there was a lot of sound and noise in that scene. Jack might have thought he was hearing thigs - because she shouldn't know that nickname.
I always assumed that Martha mentioning the face of boe at that point was the whole reason thatg Jack told them that he used to get called the face of boe. Otherwise it's just some random fact tagged on. And he blantently does a bit of a double-take when Martha says it...
Wow. That's a really good point. My first thought was that he didn't know he would become the Face of Boe, but it's in this very episode (or one of the three) that we find out that's what they used to call him.
Actually its never been completely comfirmed that Jack is the Face of Boe. Plus why would Jack flinch? This Jack has been living on Earth for the last century. He doesn't know he's the Face of Boe.
@Darkwiccawillow have you actully seen the show? when the series ended as jack runs off to torchwood he says outright "the face of boe, thats what they use to call me" or something like that anyways, watch it again, also when she says "think what the face of boe said" the first part of that sentence he looks at martha, the next shot the look on jacks face is sort of like "whoa......."
First of all, Moffat's series has atmosphere and drama and a lot of it, just because you don't like it you don't have to say it's bad.
And whats wrong with Matt Smith? You're comment seems to imply that Moffat sucks because of Smith or the other way around...? Fuck, mankind is a retarded kind.
@helium46 Okay, dude, just take it down a notch. He was out of line, yes, but you don't have to flip out. Besides, whether one likes Moffat and Smith is a matter of opinion, it isn't a question of good and bad. On the other hand, "you, my good sir, are a fucking retard" may be the best quote of the week.
So what if he didn't flinch? The universe is PRETTY BIG!
There are probably MORE places called "Bo" in the universe than where Jack lived, and I think that there are more people called "The face of something" in the universe than they now.
Besides, it could've been a thousand years since Jack heard "The Face of Boe" or even thought about it, and he looks at Martha because it sounds familiar or something. Maybe he told them he was called the Face of Boe because Martha reminded him?
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Yah ... definitely thought up on a whim. Thank god RTD's gone and we've got Moffat now. It's refreshing to watch drama that was planned ahead, rather than made up as the writer went along. And finally - continuation!
But at this point neither Jack nor the Doctor nor Martha know that Jack is the face of Boe. And Jack has so many problems with his memory that it wouldn't be surprising that he wouldn't remember that name while under pressure and just finding about another Time Lord.
I actually think it's bloody brilliant that jack is the face of boe and somehow extremely funny with him being worried about gray hair at that point of his never ending life.
He didn't look until she got to 'the' she started talking before then. And think how old Jack was at that point. I'm pretty sure a nickname wasn't really at the top of his mind. Especially considering he was about to save the human race.
The world's about to end, I doubt a nick-name from Jack's childhood will be at the front of his mind. He has lived for well over 200 years since he was called it.
But you know what, It was the end of the universe and "The Face of Boe" could probably be ANYONE in the entire universe, I mean, the universe is a BIG place so I can almost bet you that Jack wasn't the only one who ever lived that was called The Face of Boe.
I think it actually creates a perfect loop. Now Jack knows what his dying words should be. Also, remember that the Face of Boe knew things about the Doctor (because he's Jack.) I think that the future only makes sense in hindsight, and of course Jack wouldn't flinch -- he didn't have it figured out yet that they were talking about him. Maybe he had it figured out when he told them at the end of the episode about his modeling -- maybe not. If you don't like it, fine, but please don't hate on RTD.
i think you've all missed something kind of important. jack wouldnt know he was the face of boe yet. he hasnt aged that far to figure out tht he becomes a giant head in a jar. i think moffat should bring not only jack back but also the doctor's daughter since she regenerated. lets not forget rose and the human doctor (david tennant) are still in the other world so maybe in a few seasons we'll see them again? one can only hope
i dont relly understand how jack could be the face of boe...cuz like..in doctor who did jack say he could age? i think i heard him say that but in torchwood he repeatedly says he dosnt age at all....so howd that happen...?
@c1ickh3r3 He said that he could age...He was like something something something 'I sometimes find a gray hair' and something like 'Is that normal?' but it states that he can age...Just VERY slowly
@helium46 probably more, idk if you've seen torchwood but by the end of it he's lived for about 2000 years and didn't seem to change at all. It might be more like 1,000,000 yrs to appear to age one, since with that ratio in 5 billion he will appear to have aged 5000 years.
Well, we know he's turned into the Face by the year 200k, because he's seen on TV in "The Long Game" announcing he's expecting. He wouldn't know that yet, but I'm just throwing it out there.
Captain Jack is the Face of Boe because if you watch all the episodes with the Face of Boe.... He kept on calling the Doctor "old friend" when they only met 3 times...
You have to remember time travel is complicated. Remember Blink, Doctor met Sally before he got stuck in 1969 even though it was in Sally's past?
Well if think about it like that, this was in the Doctor's future when he met the Face of Boe and with Boe being the time traveler and meeting a younger version of The Doctor he could have warned him. Similar to how Sally warned the Doctor about being stuck in 1969.
It could be, Jack being a time traveler was nick named after boe because those who traveled with him in the beginning met boe, or he did himself before this incident, he just didn't put the two together.
I think Jack knows the Face of Boe as a future celebrity, but only during the events of Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords he finally realises that it's his future.
And Martha's line can be the first hint. Ever.
Jack had plenty of time to think about this during the-year-that-never-existed. I reckon that even after that year Jack is not so sure whether he actually becomes the Face of Boe in the future. After all, it's his future, how he can possibly predict it?
"You're just making this up as you go along aren't you?"
"Yes.. but I do it brilliantly!"
regardless of it whim made or not, you have to admit russel's very good, making jack the face of boe. he was there, he knows that the doctor is not alone, and someday he may realize he becomes "the face of boe" character.
I think it's worth mentioning that The Face of Boe was just a nickname Jack had when he was younger - this took place long before the "You Are Not Alone" dialogue for Jack (if he is the FOB) but after it for Martha and the Doctor.
0:29 Jack is clearly thinking to himself "Where have I heard that name before???"..."Oh we're about to be destroyed, no time to think about that now..."
I can only imagine the fit you're going to have when they retcon River Song's first appearance :P
Damn -- I had favorited some time ago interview clips where RTD explained that during the hectic shooting schedule, he meant to have those lines done differently, but it was an oversight not realized until after shooting, and it was too late for a re-mount of the scene; he said something to the effect of having Martha make her comment but not (coincedentally) when Jack was in earshot. RTD said it was a simple oversight and human error on his/the productions part... the posts are now deleted :(
Actually, that clip actually explains how Jack knew exactly what he should tell the Doctor and when he should tell it to him. I mean, think about it, if Martha hadn't said all that stuff about the Face of Boe's 'dying words' and everything, don't you think Jack would have just blurted out, "THE MASTER IS COMING BACK!" the second he saw the Doctor in the episode New Earth? But he knew to wait. And what to call himself around the Doctor instead of using the name Jack.
@Julliet07 Actually, that was just a nickname he had while he lived there. When he does eventually become Boe he more than likely chose that name so that the Doctor would figure it out. (: As HarlequinRaven said, if he had simply kept the name Jack then the Doctor would have known about the Master's return from the first series (2005). So really, RTD didn't mess up and we should all stop picking at his 'faults' because if it wasn't for him DW would never have come back in the first place. (:
I know! i am supporting RTD am just pointing out that Jack obv recognises that name! and maybe he chooses to call himself that later or maybe he made himself into a face even? because he knew that the Dr found out about the Master from somebody called Face of Boe. We cant underestimate Jack. Perhaps its a message abit like the Bad Wolf thing. if you cant get to the Dr send him a message through time for him to find in the past/future :P
I agree TylerAndSmith RTD is a TERRIFIC writer!! :)
Good catch, but if you watch Jack's facial expressions, he looks at Martha and then looks straight ahead at nothing in particular but with a look of thoughtful concern like it just registered to him what she said.
Btw, Jack said he's been pregant before, but he said that as Jack not the face of boe. If the face of boe is jacks future then he cant be refering to the future and say he has been pregnant before..well because it was in the future! his future!
I don't get what this vid is trying to prove. He did look at her attentively. It could be that he didn't get it at first...overhearing your ancient nickname in someone else's conversation....he's going 'what?' and listens, but is confused to who they mean. Because he has experience with time travel, Time Lords (apparantly) and knows the Doctor has had many many many adventures, I think he just goes with it and remembers it How'd you think the Face of Boe knows that the Doctor wasn't the last one
The "real" Face of Boe is a well known celebrity in the future. Infact, it's quite probable that Jack's "nickname" was actually intended as a reference to the celebrity (otherwise, surely they'd have called him "the face of the boeshane pennisula" rather than simply "The Face of Boe").
So yeah, it's not actually anywhere near the contraction it appears to be.
True. But then again, Jack's childhood was in the 51st Century. The Face of Boe was a celebrity possibly only as early as the 2000th Century. A fair difference there.
And anyway, Jack could have said it as a joke. He's an ex-Time Agent. He very well could know exactly who the Face of Boe is and just wanted to freak them out a bit. I doubt it is him... Mostly considering that the Face of Boe gave birth at one point.
Yeah, it's not very obvious, but I think he does react, a little bit. If he hadn't noticed that, why would he have mentioned that that's who he was at the end of the season? He would've just been saying something entirely unrelated to anything else.
no, his facial expression was like that before she mentioned it. and if someone was about to repeat my dying words i'd have more than a frown on (even then, that frown wasn't on his face for that reason - he was just tired of running.)
no, but in this episode or the next one, (while Jack is still very human and doesn't know what he'll become) he mentions how people call him the Face of Boe.
I didn't think it was a mess up on Russel's part, I think it's just your opinion, did he know and was trying to hide it? Did he not understand yet? Or was he putting together the pieces of the puzzle? OR did RTD mess up? Which, I don't believe happened.
Actually, he did kind of freeze up, but it was only for a few seconds. I think he was starting to put it together then, because in the Last of the Time Lords, when he says that he used to be called the Face of Boe, he has kind of a knowing look on his face.
well jack was born in the future and would have most likely met/seen the face of boe ,not known boe's true identity were as his nick name is a paradox maybe face of boe even arranged for jack to become time agent ? ,question is why is his name boe and what does boe mean ? Boy Of Earth , Boiled Ostrich Egg ,Big Oracle Entity errrm !
Jack says, 'I used to be a poster boy when I was a kid in the Boeshane Peninsula' 'The Face of Boe they called me' - Boe is short for Boeshane Peninsula.
well... I thought about this and I think, well, he came from this "Boe...whatever"planet and dont you think, there might be the slightest chance, that he REALLY thought the name was just a coincidence? I myself would think so. First, I would wonder about it, but afterwards, I just would think its a coincidence, because the planet has this name and so on...
No, but it's only a suspicion. AND!!!! the Face of Boh is Captain Jack in a million years- AFTER he becomes immortal. At the end of the season 3 he says "I wonder what I would look like in a million years" and he said his nickname was the Face of Boh.Therefore, most likely if he is the Face of Boh, he becomes it as he ages.
If you think it through - Jack does look at her as soon as she says it - and he NEEDS to know that The Face of Boe told the Doctor this so that he can actually do it himself when he gets there. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey.
I mean within the context you wouldn't think oh, my old nickname has been mentioned by a time traveller and I bet there is only one in the entire universe, exspecailly when their is a timelord on the loose.
Yeh but he probably didn't WRITE John's reaction, it's John's fault for not reading the LotTL script and reacting accordingly. It's either down to John or the director to suit the characters reaction
Jacks timeline is pretty messed up for a start, and he did look a little confused here. Maybe because she mentioned the face of Boe here he decided to give them that little quote 'the face of Boe they called me' and the end of the series. Also, because he heard Martha say what Boe said in this scene, he will always know what Boes/his last words were.
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I'm not even going to diginify this video with a response... Oh, what the hell!
1.) RTD didn't want Jack being TFOB seriously, so could be coinsidence.
2.) Are you blind? "Think what the face of boe said" Jack looks down. "His dying words" Jack looks up. Right before Martha was going to finish the YANA speech, Jack stared back down like he was expecting something.
TheAfroThunder1 1 month ago
It might just be a continuity error, but "Think what the face of boe said" Jack looks down. "His dying words" Jack looks up. Right before Martha was going to finish the YANA speech, Jack stared back down like he was expecting something. Methinks he was expecting one of his old catchphrases..
FinalHurricane 1 month ago 2
I couldn't even hear what they said. The video quality here is pathetic.
aperson22222 2 months ago
How the heck would he know that he is the future Face of Boe, when he doesn't become that for a few million years?
Bromthebard 3 months ago
@Bromthebard Because he was called the Face of Boe back in his childhood modeling career.
zSonata 2 months ago
or boe was after this jack and he didnt know and presumed there was another one
SupernaturalDR 3 months ago
So, in reality, it's actually Martha who delivers the 'You are not alone' message. Jack only remembered it from here. Kept it with him. Knew when to deliver it. I'd say Davies pretty much has all his ducks in a row. Learn to view it from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint. Then you'll see it's a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey.... stuff...
feenux82 3 months ago 15
Why isn't it possible that Jack not flinching is them simply not giving away any thing reveled later in the episode?
MegaCrazyhand 3 months ago
@MegaCrazyhand yeah but he's saying that the character Jack would have been confused if she said the face of boe
mlgnerd13 2 months ago
Jack doesn't flich BUT he does a slight "wtf?" face if you watch it.
thefartydoctor 4 months ago 10
Well noticed Captain Jen. Some people call RTD a genius, but I think he's a average writer at best. Not a patch on Terry Nation.
pablohanc 4 months ago
jack looked at her when she said the face of bo and she didnt finish the phrase "dying words" so jack looked at her like what did i say? but he never heard dying words
adambomb298 4 months ago
The writers hint at things seasons before it is revealed with many things I'm not sue about this one, but no matter what it is brilliant writing. Everything is thought through and is always in mind even before we have a clue. I doubt you could get even remotely close to this type of writing.
djwasser 5 months ago
Well, think about it, the Face of Boe was around at all the times in history that a young Captain Jack was apart of, he probably just never thought about it (and his future self stayed clear of his younger self)
And there is no denying that after five billion years, The Face of Boe would be as clever as the Doctor and would have figured out how things worked out.
RobinShirewood 5 months ago 2
It's better than Stephen Moffat's desperate attempts at story twists...
Hatgooch 5 months ago
@Hatgooch FUCK YOU! Stephens the greatest!
taabuu2342 5 months ago
hahahahaha! It just a story kids.
mykylc 5 months ago
When I watched the series I didn't even notice at all, as I suspect many others had not either. It does not matter if it was whim, a well thought idea, or maybe even bad acting; it was still a cool idea.
JonMcClusk 5 months ago
You're an idiot. Russel T. Davies is a genius. End of story.
dunkim86 5 months ago
He was probably too busy checking out her ass or something to notice!
frasermo 5 months ago
Yes and No, I mean he did look at her oddly.
watts4563 5 months ago
well if u luk even tho this aint gr8 quality u can c he frowns
MizzLolipop1 6 months ago
But Jack didn't even know that he would become the Face of Boe.
TRBIBBLES 6 months ago
@TRBIBBLES yes but when he was younger he got called the face of boe, so he would think she was talking bout him when he was younger.
LyricalHipHop136 6 months ago
He did react. There wasn't a long, dramatic shot on his face, but focusing on small details to build up the audience has always been Moffat's thing, not Russell's. If you watch carefully, you can see his head turn quickly when she mentioned it, and then he seems to be lost in thought, like he's putting it together.
dragonsoul320 6 months ago 4
We learned in Torchwood (the episode 'Adam') how Jack can bury his memories. I agree with Mudgeanella - I don't think he's going to remember, especially when the universe is ending.
KriahFox 7 months ago
I was not happy with RTD's approach to storylines or keeping them straight or continuity with original plot lines.
Chrisfs59 7 months ago
Jack does kind of make a face as though thinking, how did they know about The Face of Boe.
teamtennantgirl1987 7 months ago
you do realize he is looking at her from that moment until the end here....he seems to be paying attention to his future time-lines
exvorlon 7 months ago
Rather, Rose and Amy. Rory will probably overtake her by the end of this series.
rtozier2011 7 months ago
If we're going by number of episodes appeared in, then apart from the Doctors Martha is the longest-term character in the reboot so far except Rose, Amy and Rory.
rtozier2011 7 months ago
He did a double take, that's proberly why he told them he is the Face of Boe.
10thDoctorLove 8 months ago 2
one small problem, jack is immortal, the face of boe died. they arent the same person because the face of boe can die jack cant
Matty09Magic 9 months ago
not necesarrily, when rose saved him she brought him back... but no one knows how long he can live and the face of boe did live for billions of years!
TheBellypop 9 months ago
@TheBellypop yes he lived a billion years, thats not immortal. he actually said in utopia I CANT DIE and the face of boe died, how can that be changed
Matty09Magic 9 months ago
@Matty09Magic ... are you watching torchwood at the minute?? ... :/
TheBellypop 7 months ago
@TheBellypop no, its on thursdays, why
Matty09Magic 7 months ago
@Matty09Magic dunno... it just might explain why the face of boe dies :/
TheBellypop 7 months ago
@TheBellypop it was on doctor who series 3 episode 3 gridlock, all of new earth was trapped underground on a neverending motorway to stop a virus killing the population , when the virus killed everyone above they had noone but novice hame, and later the doctor to reopen the roof trapping them, but to get the rest of the power ,the face of boe had to give the rest of his life energy. jack cannot die until torchwood series 4 miracle day, which may explain how jack can die if he is boe, who knows
Matty09Magic 7 months ago
personally i think that your just over thinking it. I mean 1. Jack probably DID recognize it, thats why he took the time to tell them at the end of the 3 part special. 2. the ship was about to take off his mind was probably elsewhere. 3. No one really cares what MARTHA says she was an annoying short term character. >.>
TheDeadGunslinger 9 months ago
@TheDeadGunslinger If no one cared what Martha says then The Master would never have been defeated. She was a great companion and if being the Doctor's companion for a whole series, be in Torchwood and also episodes in series 4 makes her a "short term character" then I don't understand what makes a long term one. I prefer Donna, but Martha is far better than Rose.
eviemillionaire 9 months ago
@TheDeadGunslinger i agree, but have to say most of the millions of fans loved martha, she wasnt an annoying short term charactop
Matty09Magic 9 months ago
@Matty09Magic Well if you look at the series that she stared in. It was one of the shortest series i'v ever watched. The episode 'Blink' she wasn't even a starring role. she had very little 'character depth'. I don't know she just didn't really stand out to me. XD
TheDeadGunslinger 9 months ago
@TheDeadGunslinger how can marthas series be the shortest, since series 1 in 2005 theyve all have the same number of episodes and episode lenghts are very close together (45-50 mins), and fyi blink and love & monsters were created to show little of the doctor and martha/(rose in love and monsters) so they could concentrate on other stories and have extra filming time on other vital scenes like the series finales, not to get rid of them for a bit and releive the viewers
Matty09Magic 7 months ago
OMG i didn't see it!! how...strange...that no one noticed to modify it
strawberrysyrup9 10 months ago
He didn't flinch cos he didn't know! The Face of Boe is his FUTURE. how would he know?
pigzrule787 10 months ago
@pigzrule787 exactly what I thought.. but again last time we saw him he said "face of boe they called me" so that should have rang a bell... Childhood nickname?
TheRoundTableXIV 10 months ago
Anyone ever think that this might just be because John Barrowman hadn't read the script yet? =)
AnimeAlexis 10 months ago
Haha I had never noticed this. The man does write things on the spot...not that I don't enjoy lots of it!
martang66 10 months ago
Jack is good at keeping secrets unless he meant to let you know.
revolutionhk 10 months ago
Look at his face around 0:30. Martha mentioned the Face of Boe and his dying words. Jack is staring off, his mouth open. His mind is having trouble wrapping around the info that Martha and the Doctor know of another version of him (with his old nickname) and the fact that they saw him die at some point. Especially since he had just finally resigned himself to being stuck as an immortal. This life-altering information hits him too fast and too hard to question it before the action starts.
TimThomason 10 months ago
@TimThomason So, do you think that Jack purposefully mentioned that his nickname was "The Face of Boe" so they would realize that was him?
legendarymermaid 10 months ago
@legendarymermaid Of course. Why else bring it up out of nowhere? The entire adventure is finally over and he turned around to practically say "Oh yeah, remember that 'Face of Boe' thing you mentioned earlier? I think I'm that dude."
He is practically giddy, not just from saving the world and being with the Doctor, but also with the newfound knowledge that somewhere, sometime he will run into him again and actually manage to die. Torchwood might refute that, I don't know. (Not a watcher)
TimThomason 10 months ago
Jack sort of frowned at her like he thought he hadn't heard her right.... He is the Face of Boe though. They confirmed it. 'Cause he can't die and keeps aging and ends up a face in a jar. How does this happen? Not a clue. Poor Jack. His sex life must be caput
candymandy224 11 months ago
@candymandy224 One of the satellight five eps has "The face of Boe confirmed he's pregnant again." and in the first episode of Torchwood, Jack makes a joke about having been pregnant. I'm pretty sure, knowing Jack, he figures out a way to keep right on going. ;)
recklesstenacity 10 months ago
@recklesstenacity Oh my god, I forgot about that! That is disturbing in a very hilarious way.... And just SO Jack!!!
candymandy224 10 months ago
Maybe he wasn't really listening
chocolatefountain95 11 months ago
jack was from the future, and knew who the face of boe was, maybe he thought it was a coincedence?
perrilloux 1 year ago
@perrilloux Doesn't make sense because the Face of Boe IS Jack's future... Jack IS the Face of Boe!
AceofGallifrey 11 months ago
@perrilloux Did Jack know who the face of boe was?
emmahouli 11 months ago
Then after Captain Jack experienced the Series 3 finale, he would know that the Doctor wasn't the last of his kind and be able to tell him 5 billion years in the future when he was the Face of Boe. What a paradox. Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey barely covers it.
Kaagh178 1 year ago
Yeah I remember my brother pointed out that Jack was present when Martha mentioned the Face of Boe. I think it did register, there just wasn't enough time for him to dwell on it. I completely disagree about Davies being a bad writer. He is skilled at portraying realistic Human emotions, even when handling alien characters. The Face of Boe scenario was cleverly planned out. The Master's created backstory as Human Yana had him found on the Silver Devastation (the home planet of the Face of Boe).
Kaagh178 1 year ago
Look, you gotta admit there was a lot of sound and noise in that scene. Jack might have thought he was hearing thigs - because she shouldn't know that nickname.
- The music loving Klingon
Qoltar 1 year ago
I always assumed that Martha mentioning the face of boe at that point was the whole reason thatg Jack told them that he used to get called the face of boe. Otherwise it's just some random fact tagged on. And he blantently does a bit of a double-take when Martha says it...
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paulmorris7777 1 year ago
Wow. That's a really good point. My first thought was that he didn't know he would become the Face of Boe, but it's in this very episode (or one of the three) that we find out that's what they used to call him.
Good find.
Juice0fTheBarley 1 year ago
But he didn't know he was the Face Of Boe at that point? I thought he never found out?
CheeseOnEarth 1 year ago
@CheeseOnEarth He was called the Face of Boe when he was a kid. I think he knew.
GreenDucTape 1 year ago
Well spotted, but hardly compelling evidence that RTD is a bad writer.
Last of the Time Lords, on the other hand...
DerArmadillian 1 year ago
The universe is about to end, I don't think that Jack's childhood modelling days are going to be forefront on his mind.
Mudgeanella 1 year ago 102
@Mudgeanella to be fair it is Captain Jack I'm pretty sure his modelling days are always on the forefront of his mind.
robISclever 8 months ago 6
Actually its never been completely comfirmed that Jack is the Face of Boe. Plus why would Jack flinch? This Jack has been living on Earth for the last century. He doesn't know he's the Face of Boe.
Darkwiccawillow 1 year ago
@Darkwiccawillow have you actully seen the show? when the series ended as jack runs off to torchwood he says outright "the face of boe, thats what they use to call me" or something like that anyways, watch it again, also when she says "think what the face of boe said" the first part of that sentence he looks at martha, the next shot the look on jacks face is sort of like "whoa......."
SexyFoxylady1 1 year ago
@SuperHat09 i wasnt bored wiv the new series but it was made conplecated unlyk rtd who goes straight to the point wiv some twists and turns
johnev21 1 year ago
(In response to the video, not the other comments) Who cares? It's not like it destroyed the story, good lord.
bigfatcarp93 1 year ago
i noticed this too, but i figure jack as the face of boe is just too good to complain about. i agree, wibbley-wobbley, timey-wimey.
bellalysewinchester 1 year ago 2
@SuperHat09
You, my good sir, are a fucking retard.
First of all, Moffat's series has atmosphere and drama and a lot of it, just because you don't like it you don't have to say it's bad.
And whats wrong with Matt Smith? You're comment seems to imply that Moffat sucks because of Smith or the other way around...? Fuck, mankind is a retarded kind.
helium46 1 year ago
@helium46 Okay, dude, just take it down a notch. He was out of line, yes, but you don't have to flip out. Besides, whether one likes Moffat and Smith is a matter of opinion, it isn't a question of good and bad. On the other hand, "you, my good sir, are a fucking retard" may be the best quote of the week.
bigfatcarp93 1 year ago
So what if he didn't flinch? The universe is PRETTY BIG!
There are probably MORE places called "Bo" in the universe than where Jack lived, and I think that there are more people called "The face of something" in the universe than they now.
Besides, it could've been a thousand years since Jack heard "The Face of Boe" or even thought about it, and he looks at Martha because it sounds familiar or something. Maybe he told them he was called the Face of Boe because Martha reminded him?
helium46 1 year ago
Well, he kind of gave her a funny look.
Dubzoomember 1 year ago 4
Without RTD we wouldn't even have Moffat, so give the man some love! =)
geniusABBY 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Yah ... definitely thought up on a whim. Thank god RTD's gone and we've got Moffat now. It's refreshing to watch drama that was planned ahead, rather than made up as the writer went along. And finally - continuation!
thederangedpeanut 1 year ago
actually, he did turn round to look at her when she said "think what the face of boe said"
superjohnnicus 1 year ago 3
But at this point neither Jack nor the Doctor nor Martha know that Jack is the face of Boe. And Jack has so many problems with his memory that it wouldn't be surprising that he wouldn't remember that name while under pressure and just finding about another Time Lord.
taysky5 1 year ago
Honestly to me, it looks like he does flinch. But thats just me...
blackdragonrider3 1 year ago 2
I actually think it's bloody brilliant that jack is the face of boe and somehow extremely funny with him being worried about gray hair at that point of his never ending life.
Philoishness 1 year ago 2
In an older episode, it's mentioned that the Face of Boe is expecting a child. I think Jack hitched up with a non-gendered alien lol
GirBananas 1 year ago
He didn't look until she got to 'the' she started talking before then. And think how old Jack was at that point. I'm pretty sure a nickname wasn't really at the top of his mind. Especially considering he was about to save the human race.
Birdiejb94 1 year ago
Well, at least it's not lost...
agtheking 1 year ago
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MrWhovian 1 year ago
The world's about to end, I doubt a nick-name from Jack's childhood will be at the front of his mind. He has lived for well over 200 years since he was called it.
Mudgeanella 1 year ago 3
You don't get it.
youthdecay411 1 year ago
as soon as martha say "the face of boe" jack stares at her, coz at the end of LOTTL he says he was called the face of boe as a kid
gogallifrey 1 year ago
at 0:30 jack is starting to have a strange look on his face.
OttselSpy24 1 year ago 2
He doesn't know that he is going to turn into the face of boe yet because that is his future but their past
Pollymedusa18 1 year ago 2
Jack does look at her.
But you know what, It was the end of the universe and "The Face of Boe" could probably be ANYONE in the entire universe, I mean, the universe is a BIG place so I can almost bet you that Jack wasn't the only one who ever lived that was called The Face of Boe.
helium46 1 year ago 2
I think it actually creates a perfect loop. Now Jack knows what his dying words should be. Also, remember that the Face of Boe knew things about the Doctor (because he's Jack.) I think that the future only makes sense in hindsight, and of course Jack wouldn't flinch -- he didn't have it figured out yet that they were talking about him. Maybe he had it figured out when he told them at the end of the episode about his modeling -- maybe not. If you don't like it, fine, but please don't hate on RTD.
bast713 1 year ago 4
Gee, maybe it's just a television show?
mutley26 1 year ago 2
i think you've all missed something kind of important. jack wouldnt know he was the face of boe yet. he hasnt aged that far to figure out tht he becomes a giant head in a jar. i think moffat should bring not only jack back but also the doctor's daughter since she regenerated. lets not forget rose and the human doctor (david tennant) are still in the other world so maybe in a few seasons we'll see them again? one can only hope
MsGlowgirl 1 year ago
@MsGlowgirl He told the Doctor that when he was little he was a model called the Face of Boe
Jartean197 1 year ago
i dont relly understand how jack could be the face of boe...cuz like..in doctor who did jack say he could age? i think i heard him say that but in torchwood he repeatedly says he dosnt age at all....so howd that happen...?
c1ickh3r3 1 year ago
@c1ickh3r3 He said that he could age...He was like something something something 'I sometimes find a gray hair' and something like 'Is that normal?' but it states that he can age...Just VERY slowly
Canabbseser 1 year ago
@c1ickh3r3
He does age, only veery veeeeery slowly.
For Jack to age a year I would guess it takes maybe 1000 years or something? :P
helium46 1 year ago
@helium46 probably more, idk if you've seen torchwood but by the end of it he's lived for about 2000 years and didn't seem to change at all. It might be more like 1,000,000 yrs to appear to age one, since with that ratio in 5 billion he will appear to have aged 5000 years.
KnowitallCommaMister 1 year ago
Well, we know he's turned into the Face by the year 200k, because he's seen on TV in "The Long Game" announcing he's expecting. He wouldn't know that yet, but I'm just throwing it out there.
SGAstumpJ 1 year ago
Captain Jack is the Face of Boe because if you watch all the episodes with the Face of Boe.... He kept on calling the Doctor "old friend" when they only met 3 times...
PikachuMediaUP 1 year ago
I think moffats going to sevre connection to old charecters before its to confusing :S he has to :(
psychomantis108 1 year ago
Well Jack wouldn't have flinched, since Jack at this point hadn't evolved into the Face of Boe
Though he did reference it in one of the canon novels (Stealers of Dreams)
But yeah RTD has had some good bits, but like all writers he's made some fuck ups, some momumental
Murdock129 1 year ago
Hahaha, RTD was the worst writer on the show EVER!!!
(Apart from Midnight!)
fugazi32 1 year ago
You have to remember time travel is complicated. Remember Blink, Doctor met Sally before he got stuck in 1969 even though it was in Sally's past?
Well if think about it like that, this was in the Doctor's future when he met the Face of Boe and with Boe being the time traveler and meeting a younger version of The Doctor he could have warned him. Similar to how Sally warned the Doctor about being stuck in 1969.
coexistlove 1 year ago
It could be, Jack being a time traveler was nick named after boe because those who traveled with him in the beginning met boe, or he did himself before this incident, he just didn't put the two together.
sciencegeekjsusfreak 2 years ago
Transcript:
Jack [to the Doctor]:
If he escaped the Time War then its the perfect place to hide. The end of the universe.
Martha [to the Doctor]:
Think of what the Face of Boe said. His dying words. He said
remaire 2 years ago
I think Jack knows the Face of Boe as a future celebrity, but only during the events of Utopia/The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords he finally realises that it's his future.
And Martha's line can be the first hint. Ever.
Jack had plenty of time to think about this during the-year-that-never-existed. I reckon that even after that year Jack is not so sure whether he actually becomes the Face of Boe in the future. After all, it's his future, how he can possibly predict it?
remaire 2 years ago
he had a funny look that he sent to Martha. idk, it all worked out. not that big of a deal.
Ninj4Mitsuki 2 years ago
can i just quote?
"You're just making this up as you go along aren't you?"
"Yes.. but I do it brilliantly!"
regardless of it whim made or not, you have to admit russel's very good, making jack the face of boe. he was there, he knows that the doctor is not alone, and someday he may realize he becomes "the face of boe" character.
Violet317 2 years ago 2
well they were all in mortal danger it may have slipped his mind dont u think
zanumee211 2 years ago
I think it's worth mentioning that The Face of Boe was just a nickname Jack had when he was younger - this took place long before the "You Are Not Alone" dialogue for Jack (if he is the FOB) but after it for Martha and the Doctor.
danhighlander 2 years ago
0:29 Jack is clearly thinking to himself "Where have I heard that name before???"..."Oh we're about to be destroyed, no time to think about that now..."
I can only imagine the fit you're going to have when they retcon River Song's first appearance :P
flugel76 2 years ago 3
in all honisty, i think he was thinking "human sandwich?"
browniejr91 2 years ago
Exactly!
Julliet07 2 years ago
Damn -- I had favorited some time ago interview clips where RTD explained that during the hectic shooting schedule, he meant to have those lines done differently, but it was an oversight not realized until after shooting, and it was too late for a re-mount of the scene; he said something to the effect of having Martha make her comment but not (coincedentally) when Jack was in earshot. RTD said it was a simple oversight and human error on his/the productions part... the posts are now deleted :(
tideoftime 2 years ago
Actually, that clip actually explains how Jack knew exactly what he should tell the Doctor and when he should tell it to him. I mean, think about it, if Martha hadn't said all that stuff about the Face of Boe's 'dying words' and everything, don't you think Jack would have just blurted out, "THE MASTER IS COMING BACK!" the second he saw the Doctor in the episode New Earth? But he knew to wait. And what to call himself around the Doctor instead of using the name Jack.
HarlequinRaven 2 years ago 6
He didn't flinch because he doesn't know he will become the Face of Boe at that point. :L
TylerAndSmith 2 years ago 4
But he knew because he was called the Face of Boe in the Boeshiane Peninsular
Julliet07 2 years ago
@Julliet07 Actually, that was just a nickname he had while he lived there. When he does eventually become Boe he more than likely chose that name so that the Doctor would figure it out. (: As HarlequinRaven said, if he had simply kept the name Jack then the Doctor would have known about the Master's return from the first series (2005). So really, RTD didn't mess up and we should all stop picking at his 'faults' because if it wasn't for him DW would never have come back in the first place. (:
TylerAndSmith 2 years ago
I know! i am supporting RTD am just pointing out that Jack obv recognises that name! and maybe he chooses to call himself that later or maybe he made himself into a face even? because he knew that the Dr found out about the Master from somebody called Face of Boe. We cant underestimate Jack. Perhaps its a message abit like the Bad Wolf thing. if you cant get to the Dr send him a message through time for him to find in the past/future :P
I agree TylerAndSmith RTD is a TERRIFIC writer!! :)
Julliet07 2 years ago
Good catch, but if you watch Jack's facial expressions, he looks at Martha and then looks straight ahead at nothing in particular but with a look of thoughtful concern like it just registered to him what she said.
spidercat5 2 years ago 4
Btw, Jack said he's been pregant before, but he said that as Jack not the face of boe. If the face of boe is jacks future then he cant be refering to the future and say he has been pregnant before..well because it was in the future! his future!
Julliet07 2 years ago
@Julliet07 when did he say that??? as in wat episode?
darkstall06 2 years ago
In Torchwood Everything Changes
Julliet07 2 years ago
Jack is the Face of Boe people come on!!
Jack didnt flinch but you can see him looking at Martha a little bit like hmm..
Julliet07 2 years ago 57
@Julliet07 Exactely!
83MoonLightLover93 1 year ago
im sorry but i didnt hear what she said and no matter how many times a do i cant sorry
im2not2cory 2 years ago
ya like he is thinking about his childhood while they are trying to escape the end of the universe
have you even seen torchwood?
twilightnotthebook 2 years ago 4
I don't get what this vid is trying to prove. He did look at her attentively. It could be that he didn't get it at first...overhearing your ancient nickname in someone else's conversation....he's going 'what?' and listens, but is confused to who they mean. Because he has experience with time travel, Time Lords (apparantly) and knows the Doctor has had many many many adventures, I think he just goes with it and remembers it How'd you think the Face of Boe knows that the Doctor wasn't the last one
viridismonasteriense 2 years ago 4
Good point! Great vid!
dalekdalekdalek 2 years ago
What does Martha say?
I do´t get it even in slowmotion
Thanks!
triqueta17 2 years ago
when she says, "he said" he's looking right at her, listening carefully.
WhoBoy93 2 years ago 3
Wibbley-wobbley, timey-wimey.
smokeynewton 2 years ago 57
I couldn't agree more!
srwboy 2 years ago
That's exactly what I'd reason. Time can be rewritten in a second, and with it, one life can change forever.
WhoniverseMaster 2 years ago
The "real" Face of Boe is a well known celebrity in the future. Infact, it's quite probable that Jack's "nickname" was actually intended as a reference to the celebrity (otherwise, surely they'd have called him "the face of the boeshane pennisula" rather than simply "The Face of Boe").
So yeah, it's not actually anywhere near the contraction it appears to be.
TheTurnipKing 2 years ago
True. But then again, Jack's childhood was in the 51st Century. The Face of Boe was a celebrity possibly only as early as the 2000th Century. A fair difference there.
And anyway, Jack could have said it as a joke. He's an ex-Time Agent. He very well could know exactly who the Face of Boe is and just wanted to freak them out a bit. I doubt it is him... Mostly considering that the Face of Boe gave birth at one point.
CalmBlue 2 years ago
It's possible for Jack to be the face of Boe. In episode one of Torchwood Jack said he's been pregnant before.
undeadking13 2 years ago 2
I was been confirmed that he is the Face of Boe by all the producers now.
Sorry.
XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX 2 years ago 2
@smokeynewton "Wibbley-wobbley, timey-wimey" That explains EVERYTHING!
gsus7125 1 year ago 4
Yeah, it's not very obvious, but I think he does react, a little bit. If he hadn't noticed that, why would he have mentioned that that's who he was at the end of the season? He would've just been saying something entirely unrelated to anything else.
TazarTheYootest 2 years ago
i don't think there was a mess up on either DTD or Barrowman's parts- look at Jack's face at 0:30 -it looks to me like an OMG moment for him
cryingangel2515 2 years ago
srry- RTD-don't know how i mess up the letters lol
cryingangel2515 2 years ago
no, his facial expression was like that before she mentioned it. and if someone was about to repeat my dying words i'd have more than a frown on (even then, that frown wasn't on his face for that reason - he was just tired of running.)
genericusername337 2 years ago
he was the face of boe inthe future thats why, u numpty. but RTD does suck so 5 stars.
m001900 2 years ago
no, but in this episode or the next one, (while Jack is still very human and doesn't know what he'll become) he mentions how people call him the Face of Boe.
genericusername337 2 years ago
I didn't think it was a mess up on Russel's part, I think it's just your opinion, did he know and was trying to hide it? Did he not understand yet? Or was he putting together the pieces of the puzzle? OR did RTD mess up? Which, I don't believe happened.
tigerluver3000 2 years ago
Actually, he did kind of freeze up, but it was only for a few seconds. I think he was starting to put it together then, because in the Last of the Time Lords, when he says that he used to be called the Face of Boe, he has kind of a knowing look on his face.
dragonsoul320 2 years ago
well jack was born in the future and would have most likely met/seen the face of boe ,not known boe's true identity were as his nick name is a paradox maybe face of boe even arranged for jack to become time agent ? ,question is why is his name boe and what does boe mean ? Boy Of Earth , Boiled Ostrich Egg ,Big Oracle Entity errrm !
okuma0kuma 2 years ago
Jack says, 'I used to be a poster boy when I was a kid in the Boeshane Peninsula' 'The Face of Boe they called me' - Boe is short for Boeshane Peninsula.
RockSaltMusic 2 years ago
Boe is short for boeshane penisuaila, it's the planet Jack grew up on!
dalekdalekdalek 2 years ago
Yeah, apparently he was poster boy or something then and so he got the nickname 'Face Of Boe' :)
princezzunique 2 years ago
I think in a situation like that, Jack wouldn't concentrate on a memory he can probably barely remember. BUT he did look at Martha. Hard to miss.
sonsofawitch 2 years ago
well... I thought about this and I think, well, he came from this "Boe...whatever"planet and dont you think, there might be the slightest chance, that he REALLY thought the name was just a coincidence? I myself would think so. First, I would wonder about it, but afterwards, I just would think its a coincidence, because the planet has this name and so on...
natsumicore 2 years ago
No, but it's only a suspicion. AND!!!! the Face of Boh is Captain Jack in a million years- AFTER he becomes immortal. At the end of the season 3 he says "I wonder what I would look like in a million years" and he said his nickname was the Face of Boh.Therefore, most likely if he is the Face of Boh, he becomes it as he ages.
lamarnza 2 years ago
If you think it through - Jack does look at her as soon as she says it - and he NEEDS to know that The Face of Boe told the Doctor this so that he can actually do it himself when he gets there. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey.
frangardiner 2 years ago 4
I mean within the context you wouldn't think oh, my old nickname has been mentioned by a time traveller and I bet there is only one in the entire universe, exspecailly when their is a timelord on the loose.
themaypole 2 years ago
Tisn't RTD's fault, he's a writer, blame the director and John (as much as i love him).
MeBeMat 2 years ago
How can you not blame him if he's the writer? He wrote everything they're gonna say. Not the actors fault at all.
HelpMyNamesTaken 2 years ago
Yeh but he probably didn't WRITE John's reaction, it's John's fault for not reading the LotTL script and reacting accordingly. It's either down to John or the director to suit the characters reaction
MeBeMat 2 years ago
Jacks timeline is pretty messed up for a start, and he did look a little confused here. Maybe because she mentioned the face of Boe here he decided to give them that little quote 'the face of Boe they called me' and the end of the series. Also, because he heard Martha say what Boe said in this scene, he will always know what Boes/his last words were.
CrnchyBnn 2 years ago 3