Who needs souls and an afterlife? Life makes sense without them. Life is so improbable that it is almost ridiculous. We are the very fortunate results of a cosmic mistake, really... we shouldn't even be here. Things like suffering exist because the universe is hostile to life. So many people are trying to find the way into some afterlife... this life isn't enough for you? They are so improbable in the grand scale of the universe that they should be thankful they got to exist at all.
Free will is a faulty concept. Many people including myself question the idea of free will. Choice is not an indicator of free will because at the most basic level choices can be predicted. EG when pigeons are given a CHOICE of pecking a red button and being given only a third as much reward as if they pecked a green button, despite the existence of choice their behaviour is predictable. Thought, and behaviour follow the laws of cause an effect.
If you consider hard determinism, that could account for a sort of panentheism that exist. Using the word "soul" here sullies the argument, in philosophy of mind, it's postulated that consciousness may reside in a higher dimension, this may be synonymous with soul in the caller's context. Think of mind as a 4th dimensional organ of the body, you can't see it 'cause it's in the 4th dimension, but we experience a cross-sectioning of it in the third dimension in the epiphenomenon of consciousness.
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I am an atheist and I believe in a "soul" but my definition is "the part of you that thinks and feels". Other than that and the body there isn't any other part of a person. In other word, it's not a belief because I know I think and feel.
Qualia is a major debate in contemporary philosophy. Although most are reductive materialists today, the problem of qualia remains. The problem with competing theories are simply more grave. Reductive materialism has the mystery of identity between brainstates and qualitative states (pain = brainstate x), conmpeting theories has at least the mystery of correlations that are just as mysterious as identities, and then other problems on top of that such as the possibility of zombies etc.
6:20 "The fact that I say unicorns and you understand what it means...does that mean unicorns exist?" We understand meaning itself, that can not be proven to exist. So by his illustrious reasoning he has debunked all meaning to the fairy tale existence of Unicorns.......bravo...bravo brilliant.
Since humans stepped out of the caves, we were constantly expanding our circle of love to include more people. We now reject genocide, racism and incest, things that were common centuries ago. We are in a crucial point in our development. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all selfish instincts and materialism is the next step. Rejecting Jesus, which represents 100% love, as a role model, is a step back for our consciousness. The time has come to raise our consciousness to the next level
@dejesusluisx , Lot's of people are rejecting "Jesus" because it's a character of a book full of fairy tales, that even grown ups still believe in! What's the sence about that?? Exactly: NONE. It's time for those people to think for themselves and wake up! The Bible and god are just like the new even more illogical version of Santa. >_>
@darthglowball Use your God given intuition: who shows a higher consciousness level?, who kills or who respects life?, who enslaves or who frees?, who envy or who love?, who is selfish or who is selfless?, who is materialistic or who is spiritual?. We are due to move to the next consciousness level by rejecting all materialism and selfishness. Those were Jesus teachings, which atheism reject. God will act, and anyone refusing to move may be expendable. Open your eyes and decide to act as Christ
@dejesusluisx , I don't know who to judge, my mind isn't capable to determine how someone thinks. Jesus is a character in a book, which reflects nothing on reality. Think for yourself, don´t believe in something without edvidence or any further research. Don´t let a book character show you any `path` in life! That´s not thinking for yourself, nor is it near realistic.
@darthglowball When we were kids we followed God by blindly believing religion superficial arguments. As we become young adults, some people may acquire knowledge that renders religion arguments to a mere superstition; then they stop looking. An even smaller group keeps looking and finds the real deep theological truths from where these “myths” originate. When that happens, the road to enlightenment is found. I was a non-believer for 30 yrs. Keep looking and you will find the truth and the light
@dejesusluisx , I don't follow any religion because I've logically concluded that from all the lack of edvidence and philosofical debates that contradict the existance of a God, it doesn't make any sence to believe in a falsifiable hypothesis.
Religion or 'faith' is an excuse to escape reality. Some people go even that far to follow a book full of myths and fairy tales which conains even worse morals than a real person.
@darthglowball ""logically concluded that"" the existence of God is 100% compatible with logic and reason, there is no contradiction.
"it doesn't make any sence to believe in a falsifiable hypothesis" first, I guess you mean unfalsifiable, second, God isn't a hypothesis, is a conscious being, a "person", you can't make falsifiable hypothesis regarding conscious creatures, since they can freely decide not to be the subject of a study.
The only fact is that you don't know and don't understand.
@dejesusluisx , God is a hypothesis. A concept that you can't grasp, which isn't supported by edcidence, and isn't understandable! You know why? Because you're a human, and so am I! Who are we, to judge that something of a higher power must exist?
We won't be able to understand the concept, as we don't know if it's true in every imaginable way! We don't know if there is more than one creator. You only assume that there's one creater, and asuming isn't enough to convince.
@darthglowball "A concept that you can't grasp" maybe you can't but I can because I have a personal relationship with Him. Ask me any question you would want to know about God so you can understand.
"We don't know if there is more than one creator" maybe you don't know, but I do. God is conscious energy and energy is a continuum, so there is only one God.
Even though the paranormal was proven to be true, that doesn't mean god exist. I'm an atheist, but my family and I have had experiences with paranormal activity. Can't explain it, but that doesn't mean it has anything to do with the Hebrew Mythical god. There are many possibilities which include unknown brain activity and why not even other dimensions or parallel universes are theories that make way more sense than the unholy bible god or any other mythical god.
I think I understand what the guy was trying to say. I think he means that free will and consciousness are ostentive and hence that the meaing of the word points to an onstentive fact about our conscious experience. He then wants to argue that such ostentive experience is incompatible with material definitions, which would be equivelant to the hard problem in philosophy/science of mind.
I'm an atheist however I will admit that "logic" as we know it is also an emergent property of the brain. I noticed this inconsistent and arrogant atheistic bullshit! So if there is an afterlife we wouldn't even be able to understand it!!! Enough said!!!
@FallofDarkness55 Depends on what you define as the afterlife. IMO the afterlife is you rotting in a box. If your talking about a supernatural place where the "spirit" lives then I disagree. We have no reason to believe it. That's the point. Everything we know about the universe works naturally without intervention from supernatural sources. That afterlife would classify as supernatural. Maybe we wouldn't understand it, either way there is no reason to believe it.
@autopsy87 I'm not talking about supernatural afterlives. I'm talking about natural afterlives in which life as we know it is recurrent. I believe that when we're dead, we're dead. However maybe in a googolplex years, you will be born again in this same universe or another one.
what may be born again? my same body and mind? im assuming you dont mean spirit because your a fellow atheist. Either way I dont see any more reason to believe in what your saying than to believe that the magical elf that lives in my pocket will poop in your mouth when your sleeping if you dont believe that he invented the universe. The point of course being that just because its possible doesnt mean its plausible. Personally, I see no reason why you think so, but i want to understand.
@autopsy87 Before you were born, you were "dead". However maybe everything repeats itself in a quantum reality. I'm saying this because reality is weird.
Things are not destroyed in nature. In fact that is a violation of physics. You can theoretically rebuild the twin towers from all of the particles. Likewise you can theoretically recreate a human brain and therefore consciousness. So the eternal void i.e. the usual atheistic death in some ways is a violation to physics. Maybe in a googolplex years the energy that created us will be used to create other life in another universe though purely natural means.
This guy is absolutely wrong in that we DON'T have a good definition for the soul. People have come up with all kinds of definitions, none of which are uniform or have any evidence behind them. Matt even had to ask, "What is a soul?" How supremely arrogant is this caller?!
@MunkyDrag0n I don't believe in a supernatural "soul" either however I at least recognize that everything in nature has to be part of a larger framework whether it be a 'god', a multiverse of 11 dimensions, or the universe itself.
@henf5671 True, but at least the relationships must be tangible to be recognized. I can understand the relationship between organisms in a community, because I can observe the effects as soon as one member is removed. I can also see clearly the orbits that planets and stars follow inside galaxies. Never have I seen an invisible force, much less a being, that doesn't treat everything equally.
@MunkyDrag0n Basically what I'm saying is that there's some mysterious force behind all of this that we currently do not understand. And yes I am an atheist however if there are multiple universes, it's possible that the energy that once created us might be recycled to create life in another universe. Essentially it would be a recurrence of life through purely natural means.
@henf5671 For all we know, there may be. We do not yet understand how our universe came into existence. After all, are tiny specks in our galaxy's history.
i feel like there isn't such a thing as free will in a way. if you think about it, all the way from the beginning of your existence, all your actions are nothing more than reactions ( this stems to thoughts a well ) to your interaction with your surroundings. what plays a part in the kind of reaction or response you will give relies on the structure or "build" if you will, of your brain, perhaps body chemistry and pre-existing programming ( thought ). deep down, nothing more than organic robots.
This guy was getting close to something. Your brain looks the same as mine but what is making your perception different from mine? Is it only experience?
Soul is defined as the living body. Spirit is your breath! There is no ghost inside the body. All through the bible death is final and even your thoughts parish. Alzheimer's is a brain disease that causes problems with memory, thinking and behavior. eventually all memory is lost by this disease! This in it self proves that the brain controls everything! People have been lied to for centuries about an after life!
@a5of20borg1 yes it's time for everyone to wake up to the truth. After all it is the 21st century. It's time to value this one life that we know we have.
my friend believes that the brain is a medium for the soul..if the brain is damaged, the soul is then inhibited from expressing itself properly..of course, i think this this is ridiculous, and is just a desperate attempt to hold onto a superstition, but just sayin..
Wrong! Atheists not only can't answer truths in human morality, justice, emotions and ones self awareness as an individual with free-will; they discount all of these carte blanc as mere biochemical illusions via their limited world-view. A free-will agent has to be separate from the body in order to have true free-will. How can one have any freewill & culpability in ones actions in your world-view when humans are mere biochemical puppet bodies that evolution dealt them by chance?
@WILLTHEWGMAN Wow, where to start lol I know, you said '..they discount all of these carte blanc (sic) as mere biochemical illusions..' You were referring to morality, justice, emotions and ones self-awareness as an individual with free will. Leaving aside free will, all the others are most certainly not discounted in any way. A thrust of atheist argument is that these things exist without a belief in god, so you are wrong to say that. The rest is nonsensical, too, but I have no space left!!
@WILLTHEWGMAN Please explain why 'A free will agent has to be separate from the body in order to have true free will'. And what is 'true' free will as opposed to just free will? And why do you think evolution is a purely chance process? And what has evolution got to do with atheism anyway?
1. Free will is the apparent ability of agents to make choices free from certain kinds of constraints. I do not believe true free will could have constraints like mere mind-brain-body-external world relationships absent an outside agent that would not lead to determinism. Determinism would leave free will itself meaningless and opposite of what the word actually entails and the meaning it conveys. Cont>
2. Cont> Evolution is not solely by chance but the biochemical body you ended up with was gifted to you 100% by chance, you surly did not choose it! Let me give you an example of what free-will or choice is and is not: Let me give you an example: If you are married but at the beach and see a hot girl, one set of biochemical reactions leads to lust and desire and another set leads to rationality and care for your wife... Cont>
3. Cont> If there is no outside source of "you" to choose/override one or the other by free-will the biochemical reaction that wins over was from merely the stronger biochemical reactionary determinism of the two. The thought of you choosing was not a "you" in the box but a biochemical illusion resulting from the stronger reaction (if without an outside free-will agent like a soul)... Cont>
4. Cont> So there must be a third source of "you" outside of any biochemical make-up to posit that there is a “you” making a free choice of your own true free-will. If you are merely a part or other parts of that same biochemical make-up, there is no real free-will agent at work and all your choices are pre-disposition via mere biochemistry. This is a very basic understanding of free-will, an individual self choice freely made and free from any kinds of constraints. (4 of 4 parts).
@WILLTHEWGMAN Looks like my post didn't 'post'. So, again, thank you for a thoughtful reply. Three continuations make me think that it would be easier to PM. Would you be ok with that? There would not be the need to 'cont' all the time; I think our responses are likely to continue to be long. If not just reply to that effect and we'll cont here. You are polite and obviously knowledgeable so I would like to continue with this. I look forward to hearing from you.Good night. M.
I would enjoy that and feel free to PM me as we... It does suck that I have to number and cont.. the comments I make in order to explain things like free-will, not an easy task. I will pm you, Best Wishes, Wg
@WILLTHEWGMAN How constrained by physics are the imaginary simulations your brain develops of your world and environment? Are imagined objects in those simulations bound by gravity, thermodynamics, relativity,...? Could it be that thus unconstrained you are truly at liberty to pick AND CHOOSE from ideas and notions which (on the physical level of neuron action potentials are equivalent) leading to decisions you act out in the real world?
@a5of20borg1 agreed! its all in the brain. for instance just because i dream doesnt make it real. it could be in this reality but its in my mind, not another dimension as far as i know (some people claim that). im not saying its not good to fantasize about what things could be, cause taht's thrilling. but you should alsod efinently consider gathering ifnormation to confirm this or not! again its all in the mind. it is powerful and it can make dellusions and memory loss and many thngs like u said
@a5of20borg1 If you smash the central processing unit of your computer the computer ceases to work, the memory disk; and the electricity is still there.
@a5of20borg1 If what you say is true, then I should be able to cut up a salamander brain, and no matter how I rearange it; the salamander should cease to exist. Unfortunately for you a scientist already tried and failed at that. Look up holonomic brain theory...
What is the difference between an automaton that has behavior sufficiently complicated to appear to have free will, and a being that actually has free will?
Actually neuroscientists are pretty sure that free will is an illusion. Its annoying when people claim "proof" for things they don't comprehend, this derives from the fact if the brain doesn't understand something it will create its own interpretation on the subject. This is why knowledge is important because it allows understanding and prevents misinterpretation. Evidence is based on facts not abstract ideas, so the guy would've done himself justice doing neuro research rather than philosophy.
Classic case of overthinking life the universe and erverything. People like this are not made for logic. Usually basic good people that get so caught up in details that they confuse themselves into believing anything.
what is that beep? is that something to do with the webcam, or the guy's phone, or do half the people on the internet need to change the batteries in their smoke detectors?
Who needs souls and an afterlife? Life makes sense without them. Life is so improbable that it is almost ridiculous. We are the very fortunate results of a cosmic mistake, really... we shouldn't even be here. Things like suffering exist because the universe is hostile to life. So many people are trying to find the way into some afterlife... this life isn't enough for you? They are so improbable in the grand scale of the universe that they should be thankful they got to exist at all.
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KingdomSeeker2012 1 month ago
The caller is a very sincere, and confused, young man.
ChristophDollis 2 months ago
"You haven't identified a gene..."
Funny thing, I bet most people watching this immediately knew that this was a retarded statement.
And I will further bet that many of those same people do not realize that this is a retarded statement when discussing racial difference.
Compartmentalization is irrational. Don't back down from solid epistemology when it might lead down paths you don't like.
blackacidlizzard 2 months ago
Free will is a faulty concept. Many people including myself question the idea of free will. Choice is not an indicator of free will because at the most basic level choices can be predicted. EG when pigeons are given a CHOICE of pecking a red button and being given only a third as much reward as if they pecked a green button, despite the existence of choice their behaviour is predictable. Thought, and behaviour follow the laws of cause an effect.
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YetAnthony 2 months ago
9:35 'Do not confuse the map with the place.'
Neuroliguistic programming anyone?
Uberlaser 2 months ago
Free Will is the feeling that we have that we are the masters of our own decisions.
kshackleton 2 months ago
the soul is the non material that controls the brain hahaha how absurd
MrHawleywood21 3 months ago 2
@MrHawleywood21 Just as the body cannot exist without the mind, the mind, too, cannot exist without the body.
These people simply don't understand this.
*Note: The brain is the "body" - The "mind" is a direct result of the physical brain.
SeedsOfHatred 2 months ago
I wish Jen would bring on her lesbian lover on the set and french kiss. That would be soooo HOT!!!!!!!!!
rudemood2011 3 months ago
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OMG this matt dude goes to calling name when his ass is kicked ...dude you suck !!!
914light 3 months ago
@914light Noooo wrong.
WillBrendon 3 months ago
@WillBrendon ..yes right !!
914light 3 months ago
@914light What, that you're wrong? Or that you're right?
WillBrendon 3 months ago
@WillBrendon ..exactly !!
914light 3 months ago
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WillBrendon 3 months ago
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914light 3 months ago
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914light 3 months ago
If you consider hard determinism, that could account for a sort of panentheism that exist. Using the word "soul" here sullies the argument, in philosophy of mind, it's postulated that consciousness may reside in a higher dimension, this may be synonymous with soul in the caller's context. Think of mind as a 4th dimensional organ of the body, you can't see it 'cause it's in the 4th dimension, but we experience a cross-sectioning of it in the third dimension in the epiphenomenon of consciousness.
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
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Luigi84289 3 months ago
I am an atheist and I believe in a "soul" but my definition is "the part of you that thinks and feels". Other than that and the body there isn't any other part of a person. In other word, it's not a belief because I know I think and feel.
PirateMonkeyFilmz 3 months ago
Qualia is a major debate in contemporary philosophy. Although most are reductive materialists today, the problem of qualia remains. The problem with competing theories are simply more grave. Reductive materialism has the mystery of identity between brainstates and qualitative states (pain = brainstate x), conmpeting theories has at least the mystery of correlations that are just as mysterious as identities, and then other problems on top of that such as the possibility of zombies etc.
mikaelhs 3 months ago
6:20 "The fact that I say unicorns and you understand what it means...does that mean unicorns exist?" We understand meaning itself, that can not be proven to exist. So by his illustrious reasoning he has debunked all meaning to the fairy tale existence of Unicorns.......bravo...bravo brilliant.
Twicebakedtaters 3 months ago
Since humans stepped out of the caves, we were constantly expanding our circle of love to include more people. We now reject genocide, racism and incest, things that were common centuries ago. We are in a crucial point in our development. Becoming completely spiritual by rejecting all selfish instincts and materialism is the next step. Rejecting Jesus, which represents 100% love, as a role model, is a step back for our consciousness. The time has come to raise our consciousness to the next level
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
@dejesusluisx , Lot's of people are rejecting "Jesus" because it's a character of a book full of fairy tales, that even grown ups still believe in! What's the sence about that?? Exactly: NONE. It's time for those people to think for themselves and wake up! The Bible and god are just like the new even more illogical version of Santa. >_>
darthglowball 3 months ago
@darthglowball ...You don't believe in Santa?
But but but....
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@SeedsOfHatred , no, I believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster, he is mah lord. ;P
darthglowball 3 months ago
@darthglowball R'amen to that, brother.
SeedsOfHatred 3 months ago
@darthglowball Use your God given intuition: who shows a higher consciousness level?, who kills or who respects life?, who enslaves or who frees?, who envy or who love?, who is selfish or who is selfless?, who is materialistic or who is spiritual?. We are due to move to the next consciousness level by rejecting all materialism and selfishness. Those were Jesus teachings, which atheism reject. God will act, and anyone refusing to move may be expendable. Open your eyes and decide to act as Christ
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx , I don't know who to judge, my mind isn't capable to determine how someone thinks. Jesus is a character in a book, which reflects nothing on reality. Think for yourself, don´t believe in something without edvidence or any further research. Don´t let a book character show you any `path` in life! That´s not thinking for yourself, nor is it near realistic.
darthglowball 3 months ago
@darthglowball When we were kids we followed God by blindly believing religion superficial arguments. As we become young adults, some people may acquire knowledge that renders religion arguments to a mere superstition; then they stop looking. An even smaller group keeps looking and finds the real deep theological truths from where these “myths” originate. When that happens, the road to enlightenment is found. I was a non-believer for 30 yrs. Keep looking and you will find the truth and the light
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx , I don't follow any religion because I've logically concluded that from all the lack of edvidence and philosofical debates that contradict the existance of a God, it doesn't make any sence to believe in a falsifiable hypothesis.
Religion or 'faith' is an excuse to escape reality. Some people go even that far to follow a book full of myths and fairy tales which conains even worse morals than a real person.
darthglowball 3 months ago
@darthglowball ""logically concluded that"" the existence of God is 100% compatible with logic and reason, there is no contradiction.
"it doesn't make any sence to believe in a falsifiable hypothesis" first, I guess you mean unfalsifiable, second, God isn't a hypothesis, is a conscious being, a "person", you can't make falsifiable hypothesis regarding conscious creatures, since they can freely decide not to be the subject of a study.
The only fact is that you don't know and don't understand.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx , God is a hypothesis. A concept that you can't grasp, which isn't supported by edcidence, and isn't understandable! You know why? Because you're a human, and so am I! Who are we, to judge that something of a higher power must exist?
We won't be able to understand the concept, as we don't know if it's true in every imaginable way! We don't know if there is more than one creator. You only assume that there's one creater, and asuming isn't enough to convince.
darthglowball 3 months ago
@darthglowball "A concept that you can't grasp" maybe you can't but I can because I have a personal relationship with Him. Ask me any question you would want to know about God so you can understand.
"We don't know if there is more than one creator" maybe you don't know, but I do. God is conscious energy and energy is a continuum, so there is only one God.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
cool show. i give u props for fighting for this awesome cause!
me25422 4 months ago
I want to live in King of Prussia
Antamar123 5 months ago
I am a Kermarvelfluffen from the planet Nublar.
Draginvry2 5 months ago
Free will does not exist
FIGHTFANNERD3 6 months ago
Even though the paranormal was proven to be true, that doesn't mean god exist. I'm an atheist, but my family and I have had experiences with paranormal activity. Can't explain it, but that doesn't mean it has anything to do with the Hebrew Mythical god. There are many possibilities which include unknown brain activity and why not even other dimensions or parallel universes are theories that make way more sense than the unholy bible god or any other mythical god.
cycorealm35 6 months ago
I think I understand what the guy was trying to say. I think he means that free will and consciousness are ostentive and hence that the meaing of the word points to an onstentive fact about our conscious experience. He then wants to argue that such ostentive experience is incompatible with material definitions, which would be equivelant to the hard problem in philosophy/science of mind.
ex0gen 6 months ago
I'm an atheist however I will admit that "logic" as we know it is also an emergent property of the brain. I noticed this inconsistent and arrogant atheistic bullshit! So if there is an afterlife we wouldn't even be able to understand it!!! Enough said!!!
FallofDarkness55 6 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 Depends on what you define as the afterlife. IMO the afterlife is you rotting in a box. If your talking about a supernatural place where the "spirit" lives then I disagree. We have no reason to believe it. That's the point. Everything we know about the universe works naturally without intervention from supernatural sources. That afterlife would classify as supernatural. Maybe we wouldn't understand it, either way there is no reason to believe it.
autopsy87 6 months ago
@autopsy87 I'm not talking about supernatural afterlives. I'm talking about natural afterlives in which life as we know it is recurrent. I believe that when we're dead, we're dead. However maybe in a googolplex years, you will be born again in this same universe or another one.
FallofDarkness55 6 months ago
what may be born again? my same body and mind? im assuming you dont mean spirit because your a fellow atheist. Either way I dont see any more reason to believe in what your saying than to believe that the magical elf that lives in my pocket will poop in your mouth when your sleeping if you dont believe that he invented the universe. The point of course being that just because its possible doesnt mean its plausible. Personally, I see no reason why you think so, but i want to understand.
autopsy87 6 months ago
@autopsy87 Before you were born, you were "dead". However maybe everything repeats itself in a quantum reality. I'm saying this because reality is weird.
FallofDarkness55 6 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 definitely an interesting idea lol
autopsy87 6 months ago
Things are not destroyed in nature. In fact that is a violation of physics. You can theoretically rebuild the twin towers from all of the particles. Likewise you can theoretically recreate a human brain and therefore consciousness. So the eternal void i.e. the usual atheistic death in some ways is a violation to physics. Maybe in a googolplex years the energy that created us will be used to create other life in another universe though purely natural means.
henf5671 7 months ago
This guy is absolutely wrong in that we DON'T have a good definition for the soul. People have come up with all kinds of definitions, none of which are uniform or have any evidence behind them. Matt even had to ask, "What is a soul?" How supremely arrogant is this caller?!
MunkyDrag0n 7 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n I don't believe in a supernatural "soul" either however I at least recognize that everything in nature has to be part of a larger framework whether it be a 'god', a multiverse of 11 dimensions, or the universe itself.
henf5671 7 months ago
@henf5671 True, but at least the relationships must be tangible to be recognized. I can understand the relationship between organisms in a community, because I can observe the effects as soon as one member is removed. I can also see clearly the orbits that planets and stars follow inside galaxies. Never have I seen an invisible force, much less a being, that doesn't treat everything equally.
MunkyDrag0n 7 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Basically what I'm saying is that there's some mysterious force behind all of this that we currently do not understand. And yes I am an atheist however if there are multiple universes, it's possible that the energy that once created us might be recycled to create life in another universe. Essentially it would be a recurrence of life through purely natural means.
henf5671 7 months ago
@henf5671 For all we know, there may be. We do not yet understand how our universe came into existence. After all, are tiny specks in our galaxy's history.
MunkyDrag0n 7 months ago
The non-material part of the cup that keeps the water in? Would the empty space inside the cup count? A bit of Taoism there.
Enzo012 7 months ago
I think John's soul is broken. It doesn't seem to be able to do any reasoning at all.
Mornys 7 months ago
@ThincKritically you are one of the few that dont look at me like im nuts for saying that. thanx for getting it lol.
k0rps3gynd3r 8 months ago
i feel like there isn't such a thing as free will in a way. if you think about it, all the way from the beginning of your existence, all your actions are nothing more than reactions ( this stems to thoughts a well ) to your interaction with your surroundings. what plays a part in the kind of reaction or response you will give relies on the structure or "build" if you will, of your brain, perhaps body chemistry and pre-existing programming ( thought ). deep down, nothing more than organic robots.
k0rps3gynd3r 10 months ago
That caller is talking in circles...
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Katalyzt 1 year ago
This guy was getting close to something. Your brain looks the same as mine but what is making your perception different from mine? Is it only experience?
kittykatBflat 1 year ago
Why do some people think that information processing needs something like a soul? A computer processor doesn't need a soul for that either.
Scorpitarios 1 year ago
Soul is defined as the living body. Spirit is your breath! There is no ghost inside the body. All through the bible death is final and even your thoughts parish. Alzheimer's is a brain disease that causes problems with memory, thinking and behavior. eventually all memory is lost by this disease! This in it self proves that the brain controls everything! People have been lied to for centuries about an after life!
a5of20borg1 1 year ago 25
@a5of20borg1 well said !
eminescinescu 1 year ago
@a5of20borg1 yes it's time for everyone to wake up to the truth. After all it is the 21st century. It's time to value this one life that we know we have.
FallofDarkness55 7 months ago
@a5of20borg1
my friend believes that the brain is a medium for the soul..if the brain is damaged, the soul is then inhibited from expressing itself properly..of course, i think this this is ridiculous, and is just a desperate attempt to hold onto a superstition, but just sayin..
itzahazylife 7 months ago
@a5of20borg1
Wrong! Atheists not only can't answer truths in human morality, justice, emotions and ones self awareness as an individual with free-will; they discount all of these carte blanc as mere biochemical illusions via their limited world-view. A free-will agent has to be separate from the body in order to have true free-will. How can one have any freewill & culpability in ones actions in your world-view when humans are mere biochemical puppet bodies that evolution dealt them by chance?
WILLTHEWGMAN 6 months ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Atheist's can answer truths about human morality, justice, emotions, and one's self awareness.
atheistram 6 months ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Wow, where to start lol I know, you said '..they discount all of these carte blanc (sic) as mere biochemical illusions..' You were referring to morality, justice, emotions and ones self-awareness as an individual with free will. Leaving aside free will, all the others are most certainly not discounted in any way. A thrust of atheist argument is that these things exist without a belief in god, so you are wrong to say that. The rest is nonsensical, too, but I have no space left!!
jahbabylon 5 months ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Please explain why 'A free will agent has to be separate from the body in order to have true free will'. And what is 'true' free will as opposed to just free will? And why do you think evolution is a purely chance process? And what has evolution got to do with atheism anyway?
jahbabylon 5 months ago
@jahbabylon
1. Free will is the apparent ability of agents to make choices free from certain kinds of constraints. I do not believe true free will could have constraints like mere mind-brain-body-external world relationships absent an outside agent that would not lead to determinism. Determinism would leave free will itself meaningless and opposite of what the word actually entails and the meaning it conveys. Cont>
WILLTHEWGMAN 5 months ago
@jahbabylon
2. Cont> Evolution is not solely by chance but the biochemical body you ended up with was gifted to you 100% by chance, you surly did not choose it! Let me give you an example of what free-will or choice is and is not: Let me give you an example: If you are married but at the beach and see a hot girl, one set of biochemical reactions leads to lust and desire and another set leads to rationality and care for your wife... Cont>
WILLTHEWGMAN 5 months ago
@jahbabylon
3. Cont> If there is no outside source of "you" to choose/override one or the other by free-will the biochemical reaction that wins over was from merely the stronger biochemical reactionary determinism of the two. The thought of you choosing was not a "you" in the box but a biochemical illusion resulting from the stronger reaction (if without an outside free-will agent like a soul)... Cont>
WILLTHEWGMAN 5 months ago
@jahbabylon
4. Cont> So there must be a third source of "you" outside of any biochemical make-up to posit that there is a “you” making a free choice of your own true free-will. If you are merely a part or other parts of that same biochemical make-up, there is no real free-will agent at work and all your choices are pre-disposition via mere biochemistry. This is a very basic understanding of free-will, an individual self choice freely made and free from any kinds of constraints. (4 of 4 parts).
WILLTHEWGMAN 5 months ago
@WILLTHEWGMAN Looks like my post didn't 'post'. So, again, thank you for a thoughtful reply. Three continuations make me think that it would be easier to PM. Would you be ok with that? There would not be the need to 'cont' all the time; I think our responses are likely to continue to be long. If not just reply to that effect and we'll cont here. You are polite and obviously knowledgeable so I would like to continue with this. I look forward to hearing from you.Good night. M.
jahbabylon 5 months ago
@jahbabylon
I would enjoy that and feel free to PM me as we... It does suck that I have to number and cont.. the comments I make in order to explain things like free-will, not an easy task. I will pm you, Best Wishes, Wg
WILLTHEWGMAN 5 months ago
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@WILLTHEWGMAN How constrained by physics are the imaginary simulations your brain develops of your world and environment? Are imagined objects in those simulations bound by gravity, thermodynamics, relativity,...? Could it be that thus unconstrained you are truly at liberty to pick AND CHOOSE from ideas and notions which (on the physical level of neuron action potentials are equivalent) leading to decisions you act out in the real world?
ExtantFrodo2 4 months ago
@a5of20borg1 agreed! its all in the brain. for instance just because i dream doesnt make it real. it could be in this reality but its in my mind, not another dimension as far as i know (some people claim that). im not saying its not good to fantasize about what things could be, cause taht's thrilling. but you should alsod efinently consider gathering ifnormation to confirm this or not! again its all in the mind. it is powerful and it can make dellusions and memory loss and many thngs like u said
ncdangale112 3 months ago
@a5of20borg1 If you smash the central processing unit of your computer the computer ceases to work, the memory disk; and the electricity is still there.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@a5of20borg1 If what you say is true, then I should be able to cut up a salamander brain, and no matter how I rearange it; the salamander should cease to exist. Unfortunately for you a scientist already tried and failed at that. Look up holonomic brain theory...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@a5of20borg1 bleh not cease to exist... cease to work. sorry I have a headache lots of typos.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
What is the difference between an automaton that has behavior sufficiently complicated to appear to have free will, and a being that actually has free will?
gwprod1 1 year ago
Actually neuroscientists are pretty sure that free will is an illusion. Its annoying when people claim "proof" for things they don't comprehend, this derives from the fact if the brain doesn't understand something it will create its own interpretation on the subject. This is why knowledge is important because it allows understanding and prevents misinterpretation. Evidence is based on facts not abstract ideas, so the guy would've done himself justice doing neuro research rather than philosophy.
coldelement89 1 year ago 5
this guy is an idiot simple as that
MrReasonFTW 1 year ago 2
Yayy, romani atei ^_^
RadicalAwesomeness 1 year ago
@RadicalAwesomeness Yayyy, romani vizitatori :).
respect.
eminescinescu 1 year ago
Like Lisa Simpson said, "I know those words but that sentence makes no sense".
vryc 1 year ago 29
Classic case of overthinking life the universe and erverything. People like this are not made for logic. Usually basic good people that get so caught up in details that they confuse themselves into believing anything.
Drecon84 1 year ago
The Idea of a soul is unnecessary
jsullivan80 1 year ago 2
@jsullivan80 For some people it is.
controllerbrain 1 year ago
what is that beep? is that something to do with the webcam, or the guy's phone, or do half the people on the internet need to change the batteries in their smoke detectors?
just curious.
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity sorry I don't hear a sound like a beep ...
eminescinescu 1 year ago
The caller was very articulate, but still made no effing sense...
chessdawgz 1 year ago 27
lol maybe this guy should look at nietche`s pineal gland
restlys 1 year ago
KARMAFLUFFIN!
UnderlordZ 1 year ago 5