i still think that obama in principle has the right intentions, not least in respect to israel/palestine, and is keen to implement it. but i doubt that he will succeed cause mileikowky (netanyahu) interprets every appeasement as weakness and will never accept an earnest middleman but expects continuation of feather-bedding
Most impartial people following this conflict see this as nothing more than a US sponsored land grab as Palestine is systematically partitioned and the occupied territories are permanently settled. Netanyahu cleaverly clouds the issue by including terrorism and throws in a bit of prayer as a hook to the US bible belt. I cannot believe that the average American, if they understood the issues, would support US policy on this issue. I blame the US media for not providing balanced coverage.
Most impartial people following this conflict see this as nothing more than a US sponsored land grab as Palestine is systematically partitioned and the occupied territories are permanently settled. Netanyahu cleaverly clouds the issue by including terrorism and throws in a bit of prayer as a hook to the US bible belt. I cannot believe that the average American, if they understood the issues, would support US policy on this issue. I blame the US media for not providing balanced coverage.
Real peace is based on love, mutual respect, and recognition of interdependence between the two parties, not on "security", which is an after-effect of real peace. Peace can not be based on "separate but equal" principles. Mr. Netanyahu makes it clear that he holds Israelis' rights to Palestine above Palestinians' rights to their homeland and he clearly values Israeli life over Palestinian.
As long as the underlying causes of this conflict are left unrecognized, peace is not possible.
Real peace is not based in "security" but in love, respect, understanding, and mutual recognition of interdependence. It is implicit in Mr. Netanyahu's speech that he does not have real respect for Palestinians; he maintains the myth of Israeli "rights" to Palestine and uses it as the basis for his very real stance on current issues. He brings up the latest "terror" attacks, but says nothing about the causes.
Real peace is not based in "security" but in love, respect, understanding, and mutual recognition of interdependence. It is implicit in Mr. Netanyahu's speech that he does not have real respect for Palestinians; he maintains the myth of Israeli "rights" to Palestine and uses it as the basis for his very real stance on current issues. He brings up the latest "terror" attacks, but says nothing about the causes.
It is implicit in his speech that he is not open to real peace. Real peace is not based on security but on love, respect and understanding. Security is an after-effect of the real basis of peace.
Why did he get to speak and not others? Are their speeches found elsewhere?
@ronpaulbot Prime minister Netanyahu gave the example of the terror attacks in the last few days not in order to blame President Abbas, but in order to make it clear that such acts carried out by opposers to peace will not stop the talks. Notice how he didnt blame anyone but terrorists.
Im trying to be optimistic, maybe we will say peace, just maybe.
Interesting how Netanyahu starts off by saying he doesn't want to play a blame game, and then continues to say things like he wants a lasting peace and not a temporary peace between terror attacks, and points out the terror attack that killed 4 israelis including a pregant woman.
Funny how he doesn't mention the 1000+ Palestinians killed in operation Cast Lead many women and children, many with white phosphorus.
Also, Mubarak is an undemocratic dictator supported by the US, what a joke.
For the record, I don't want Israelis dead, nor do I want Palestinians dead. I would love for there to be a real true peace where both sides respect each other and work towards a true and lasting peace.
But you can't expect Palestinians to live with checkpoints, and to get bombed whenever Israel gets jiggery. Israel needs to allow for a contiguous Palestinian state with access to water, a military and open trade. Otherwise, its just a sham. Netanyahu is a hawk, not a peacemaker.
@ronpaulbot You seem like a smart Man and I respect that. You make very salient points but stop and think for a minute. Israel is surrounded on all sides by Arab States, as Netanyahu said, each time they have turned over territory the territory somehow falls into the hands of, or becomes heavily influenced by States like Syria and Iran in their proxy wars against Israel. Try not to oversimplify this issue, it is VERY difficult if you really think about it. Who will guarantee peace?
@realpipster - yes, spoken like a true Nazi. Seriously. You know that those that opposed Hitler's brutality were called "Terrorists," right? When Israel stops the rape and plunder of its neighbors, then there will be peace.
@StartLoving3 how can there be peace with israel if israel is the one with america that sponsors terrorist organisations.. they have set up organisations by kidnaping orphan arab children and training these orphans for many years by brainwashing them to blow themselves up in a mosque etc..(peace be upon the victims).... the proof is out there.
@realpipster You are missing historical context in your analysis, focusing only on the current issues at hand. Israel is surrounded by Arab states on all sides because it is a totally artificially created state that was injected into Palestine in 1948. Prior to that time, the Jews who lived in the region were not, by and large, in conflict with Arabs or Christrians. It is the radical agenda of the US and Zionists that have stirred up conflicts.
@realpipster ''Israel is surrounded on all sides by Arab States'' Yes AND? You have been thrown out of wherever you have settled. Now because they are arabs... Judaism is xenophobic and anti assimilation by nature. Gentile and Jew. Not all brothers? THAT is the issue.
@ronpaulbot Can Abbas keep Hamas in check? Does he have the Political base? How will external actors such as Iran be held in check without stirring up Arab passions? Keep in mind that most Arabs despise Iran because they are really Persians. Israel is rightly concerned about their long term security and that concern in no way diminishes Palestine's legitimate claims.
@realpipster - who is going to keep Israel in check. The facts are that Israel had initiated EVERY military engagement in the middle-east with the possible exception of 1948. They are the mob, the hoard, the rapists and plunderers. And if you were Palestinian you'd just sit by while they rape and plunder all that you Love?
@StartLoving3 I agree. And, Israel is being used by Anglo-American interests as a sponsor in the Arab-dominated middle east for their interests. I don't know if Israelis understand that, I tend to think they don't. They are being used, they are besmirching the Jewish identity while they do it by disrespecting and trampling on other peoples. How inconsiderate. I personally do not equate "Israel" with "Jewish". But lots of people do.
@StartLoving3 I agree. And, Israel is being used by Anglo-American interests as a sponsor in the Arab-dominated middle east for their interests. I don't know if Israelis understand that, I tend to think they don't. They are being used, and they are besmirching the Jewish identity while they do it by disrespecting and trampling on other peoples. How inconsiderate. I personally do not equate "Israel" with "Jewish". But lots of people do.
@StartLoving3 I agree. And, Israel is being used by Anglo-American interests as a sponsor in the Arab-dominated middle east for their interests. I don't know if Israelis understand that, I tend to think they don't. They are being used, and they are besmirching the Jewish identity while they do it by disrespecting and trampling on other peoples. How hypocritical. I personally do not equate "Israel" with "Jewish". But lots of people do.
@XNextGenVideoGamesX - thank you for illustrating my point. The Israelis and their supporters like you, exhibit exactly the same deadly, inhumane, viciuos paranoid psychosis and behavior. Israel is a predator, colonial state as EVERY reputable scholar both inside and outside Israel will tell you. But you and your father Satan Hate the Truth, so you won't listen, you won't see, you won't care.
Palestinian's are going to live in check points until they fuck off. Israel needs to allow Palestinian's nothing until they cease their Islamic Terrorism. Quite simple Ron Paul Cult member. After the 2 days of killings and maiming by Hamas in the West Bank, Gaza City needs to be cleared of Hamas. And the towns these Hamas dicks live in, needs to be leveled until Hamas is shaken out and obliterated.
i still think that obama in principle has the right intentions, not least in respect to israel/palestine, and is keen to implement it. but i doubt that he will succeed cause mileikowky (netanyahu) interprets every appeasement as weakness and will never accept an earnest middleman but expects continuation of feather-bedding
zobielamouche1 4 months ago
كس امك يا كلب يا نجس هذا سيموت فجاه و لن بعرف ملك الموب كيف قبض على روحه المجرم قاتل الابرياء و العزل الحقير الخسيس
Klintololi 1 year ago
Most impartial people following this conflict see this as nothing more than a US sponsored land grab as Palestine is systematically partitioned and the occupied territories are permanently settled. Netanyahu cleaverly clouds the issue by including terrorism and throws in a bit of prayer as a hook to the US bible belt. I cannot believe that the average American, if they understood the issues, would support US policy on this issue. I blame the US media for not providing balanced coverage.
alcraig 1 year ago
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alcraig 1 year ago
Most impartial people following this conflict see this as nothing more than a US sponsored land grab as Palestine is systematically partitioned and the occupied territories are permanently settled. Netanyahu cleaverly clouds the issue by including terrorism and throws in a bit of prayer as a hook to the US bible belt. I cannot believe that the average American, if they understood the issues, would support US policy on this issue. I blame the US media for not providing balanced coverage.
alcraig 1 year ago
Daniel chapter Nine.
rolling422 1 year ago
Real peace is based on love, mutual respect, and recognition of interdependence between the two parties, not on "security", which is an after-effect of real peace. Peace can not be based on "separate but equal" principles. Mr. Netanyahu makes it clear that he holds Israelis' rights to Palestine above Palestinians' rights to their homeland and he clearly values Israeli life over Palestinian.
As long as the underlying causes of this conflict are left unrecognized, peace is not possible.
Jebiyef 1 year ago
Real peace is not based in "security" but in love, respect, understanding, and mutual recognition of interdependence. It is implicit in Mr. Netanyahu's speech that he does not have real respect for Palestinians; he maintains the myth of Israeli "rights" to Palestine and uses it as the basis for his very real stance on current issues. He brings up the latest "terror" attacks, but says nothing about the causes.
Jebiyef 1 year ago
Real peace is not based in "security" but in love, respect, understanding, and mutual recognition of interdependence. It is implicit in Mr. Netanyahu's speech that he does not have real respect for Palestinians; he maintains the myth of Israeli "rights" to Palestine and uses it as the basis for his very real stance on current issues. He brings up the latest "terror" attacks, but says nothing about the causes.
Jebiyef 1 year ago
It is implicit in his speech that he is not open to real peace. Real peace is not based on security but on love, respect and understanding. Security is an after-effect of the real basis of peace.
Why did he get to speak and not others? Are their speeches found elsewhere?
Jebiyef 1 year ago
Baboon Netanyahu
GorecElbrus 1 year ago
@ronpaulbot Prime minister Netanyahu gave the example of the terror attacks in the last few days not in order to blame President Abbas, but in order to make it clear that such acts carried out by opposers to peace will not stop the talks. Notice how he didnt blame anyone but terrorists.
Im trying to be optimistic, maybe we will say peace, just maybe.
shitake555 1 year ago
God bless Israel!
cltcwarlordM249 1 year ago
@cltcwarlordM249 - God Damn the Terrorist Israelis.
StartLoving3 1 year ago 5
Interesting how Netanyahu starts off by saying he doesn't want to play a blame game, and then continues to say things like he wants a lasting peace and not a temporary peace between terror attacks, and points out the terror attack that killed 4 israelis including a pregant woman.
Funny how he doesn't mention the 1000+ Palestinians killed in operation Cast Lead many women and children, many with white phosphorus.
Also, Mubarak is an undemocratic dictator supported by the US, what a joke.
ronpaulbot 1 year ago
@ronpaulbot - well said. I'd trust Satan much sooner than I'd trust Israel. Everything depends on we world citizens standing for "enough!"
StartLoving3 1 year ago
For the record, I don't want Israelis dead, nor do I want Palestinians dead. I would love for there to be a real true peace where both sides respect each other and work towards a true and lasting peace.
But you can't expect Palestinians to live with checkpoints, and to get bombed whenever Israel gets jiggery. Israel needs to allow for a contiguous Palestinian state with access to water, a military and open trade. Otherwise, its just a sham. Netanyahu is a hawk, not a peacemaker.
ronpaulbot 1 year ago
@ronpaulbot You seem like a smart Man and I respect that. You make very salient points but stop and think for a minute. Israel is surrounded on all sides by Arab States, as Netanyahu said, each time they have turned over territory the territory somehow falls into the hands of, or becomes heavily influenced by States like Syria and Iran in their proxy wars against Israel. Try not to oversimplify this issue, it is VERY difficult if you really think about it. Who will guarantee peace?
realpipster 1 year ago
@realpipster - yes, spoken like a true Nazi. Seriously. You know that those that opposed Hitler's brutality were called "Terrorists," right? When Israel stops the rape and plunder of its neighbors, then there will be peace.
StartLoving3 1 year ago
@StartLoving3 how can there be peace with israel if israel is the one with america that sponsors terrorist organisations.. they have set up organisations by kidnaping orphan arab children and training these orphans for many years by brainwashing them to blow themselves up in a mosque etc..(peace be upon the victims).... the proof is out there.
covertgreen 1 year ago
@realpipster You are missing historical context in your analysis, focusing only on the current issues at hand. Israel is surrounded by Arab states on all sides because it is a totally artificially created state that was injected into Palestine in 1948. Prior to that time, the Jews who lived in the region were not, by and large, in conflict with Arabs or Christrians. It is the radical agenda of the US and Zionists that have stirred up conflicts.
Jebiyef 1 year ago
@realpipster ''Israel is surrounded on all sides by Arab States'' Yes AND? You have been thrown out of wherever you have settled. Now because they are arabs... Judaism is xenophobic and anti assimilation by nature. Gentile and Jew. Not all brothers? THAT is the issue.
slickrickdarula 1 year ago
@ronpaulbot Can Abbas keep Hamas in check? Does he have the Political base? How will external actors such as Iran be held in check without stirring up Arab passions? Keep in mind that most Arabs despise Iran because they are really Persians. Israel is rightly concerned about their long term security and that concern in no way diminishes Palestine's legitimate claims.
realpipster 1 year ago
@realpipster - who is going to keep Israel in check. The facts are that Israel had initiated EVERY military engagement in the middle-east with the possible exception of 1948. They are the mob, the hoard, the rapists and plunderers. And if you were Palestinian you'd just sit by while they rape and plunder all that you Love?
StartLoving3 1 year ago 2
@StartLoving3 I agree. And, Israel is being used by Anglo-American interests as a sponsor in the Arab-dominated middle east for their interests. I don't know if Israelis understand that, I tend to think they don't. They are being used, they are besmirching the Jewish identity while they do it by disrespecting and trampling on other peoples. How inconsiderate. I personally do not equate "Israel" with "Jewish". But lots of people do.
Jebiyef 1 year ago
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@StartLoving3 I agree. And, Israel is being used by Anglo-American interests as a sponsor in the Arab-dominated middle east for their interests. I don't know if Israelis understand that, I tend to think they don't. They are being used, and they are besmirching the Jewish identity while they do it by disrespecting and trampling on other peoples. How inconsiderate. I personally do not equate "Israel" with "Jewish". But lots of people do.
Jebiyef 1 year ago
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@StartLoving3 I agree. And, Israel is being used by Anglo-American interests as a sponsor in the Arab-dominated middle east for their interests. I don't know if Israelis understand that, I tend to think they don't. They are being used, and they are besmirching the Jewish identity while they do it by disrespecting and trampling on other peoples. How hypocritical. I personally do not equate "Israel" with "Jewish". But lots of people do.
Jebiyef 1 year ago
@StartLoving3 Remember when thousands of Rockets per year hit Israeli towns?
XNextGenVideoGamesX 1 year ago
@XNextGenVideoGamesX - do you remember when the Jews resisting the Nazis likewise threw spit-balls at the Germans?
StartLoving3 1 year ago 2
@StartLoving3 How can you possibly compare the Nazi attempt at extermination to Israel responding to a constant threat that lies all around it?
XNextGenVideoGamesX 1 year ago
@XNextGenVideoGamesX - thank you for illustrating my point. The Israelis and their supporters like you, exhibit exactly the same deadly, inhumane, viciuos paranoid psychosis and behavior. Israel is a predator, colonial state as EVERY reputable scholar both inside and outside Israel will tell you. But you and your father Satan Hate the Truth, so you won't listen, you won't see, you won't care.
StartLoving3 1 year ago 3
@ronpaulbot
Palestinian's are going to live in check points until they fuck off. Israel needs to allow Palestinian's nothing until they cease their Islamic Terrorism. Quite simple Ron Paul Cult member. After the 2 days of killings and maiming by Hamas in the West Bank, Gaza City needs to be cleared of Hamas. And the towns these Hamas dicks live in, needs to be leveled until Hamas is shaken out and obliterated.
kretincooper 1 year ago
@kretincooper - you, and those like you, are Hitler's Triumph - pure Evil.
StartLoving3 1 year ago