well, i believe that you are looking at exactly the same thing, it's just that what are considered "murder-able offenses" are different, and the time of consideration before execution is different in mainstream U.S. culture than in flds culture. also, i am admittedly working off of very little information, so of course the details are different, but i do believe that on some scale, executing people for crimes is occuring in both cultures.
this is the US -- I am talking re: the flds belief about "offenses" such as , if a wife or husband) wants to break free of this highly controlling group WITH THEIR kids, the other spouse is considered righteous and doing them a favor if they succeed in getting the disgruntled spouse's throat slit, to "save the kids."As for death penalty, my brother inlaw was an employee at high security prison for 20 yrs. You are mixing two very different topics here.
Well, my Grandparents were Irish and German American. My Father joined the church when he was 17. My Grandmother met her first Mormons when she had a high fever--Polygamist even. There were these huge Condominiums on the hills above Temple Square and it was not hard to set one room aside and quarenteen it. The Revelation forswearing polygamy was not quite as depicted by Church and State media. I find the current account troubling, having read the notes of that Church Conference many times.
mkbnett- Joseph Smith is the debauched charlatan who originated Mormonism. He faked documents throughout his time as "prophet," threatened damnation to any who disagreed with his rules, which changed often, as they still do in these groups and within Mormonism.
Best book choice- No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie....best ex-Mormon group= Utah Lighthouse Ministry(run by a descendant of Brigham Young, J Smith's famous successor).. there are tons of great youtbe videos by ex-morms
Arrington opened the archives--Benson Babies grew up with some pretty odd notions about the importance of popular vanity books by General Authorities now ensconced in the
mkbnett-your tender heart is evident but you seem in dark completely about this cult. they're serious lawbreakers. these videos are tailored, trust me, this group has horrendous abuse issues.I have studied them for years.One practice- they believe in blood atonement- which is slitting the throat of a member that is considered beyond forgiveness. They have many totally false educational practices and they do things to each other you would find horrifying. Many ex-members write books.
It sounds like they might have different cultural beliefs than you do. Killing when you believe someone is beyond forgiveness... that sounds a lot like a religiously-poetic version of the United States' policy of the death penalty. Is that okay?
Orthodox Jews, and many were Orthodox, children married at about twelve, the marriage was not consummated until
the girl was ready. Joseph Smith had a Hebrew teacher and studied the Zohar and the structure of the Jewish Community. You are right about the trail of tears. I have
a lot of videos about the schools and the raids. What didn't somebody understand. Ask me.
Short Creek women of 56 and older were exposed to massive doses of radiation. Nurses and midwives came to educate the mothers and other caretakers. Occasionally I wonder if there was and is now, in Texas, some intention of physical and cultural genocide. The Navy Doctors blamed the lingering effects of radiation on consanguinity. Mutagenic effects of ionizing radiation expand geometrically, generation by generation
cps did by the book interviews and removal. MUCH has been hidden from the public, many deals have bben cut to keep the full truth from the public. What cps and Texas did is small compared to the flds treatment of its own. i have read about them for years. they are extreme and they are very dishonest.. many disappearances and unexplained deaths, birth defects.
What book? And I should have said 54 above. All babies born and women married were covered by the Smith Act--legal and the act was constitutional until Newt Gengritch. I worked in Crisis lines and was in an inservice MSW progam in both Utah and California. Mass sweeps like this are incredibly traumatic, most women of 55 and 70 were taken in a mass sweep in 1953, and were as damaged as these girls and boys now. They'll dig in deeper, you can be sure of it.
If you look on the platforms at Ausvitz and other camps
you will see many teenage girls, some pregnant. They are trying to cover up the radiation exposure and its effects. The special programs, genetic nurses and nurse midwives who made house calls to check the babies and document grave deformities. There's been a hold on arrests in Utah for fear that mothers would be too afraid to get help.
Texas is clueless and probably can't get the children's medical records. We do love our nukes.
Maybe you could keep them in your beard or something. Or maybe in some cranberry banjo you Peanuts cast member!
streetsoffire7 3 years ago
well, i believe that you are looking at exactly the same thing, it's just that what are considered "murder-able offenses" are different, and the time of consideration before execution is different in mainstream U.S. culture than in flds culture. also, i am admittedly working off of very little information, so of course the details are different, but i do believe that on some scale, executing people for crimes is occuring in both cultures.
mkbnett 3 years ago
It is true, you are acting on very little
information. Everyone I have seen is in
midlife, even elderly, and they are talking
about things that happened in generations
past.
My GGGrandmother left the Kingston group
in 1890 due to a bullying bishop, but stayed
in town her whole life, running the post office and rearing her daughters.
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
this is the US -- I am talking re: the flds belief about "offenses" such as , if a wife or husband) wants to break free of this highly controlling group WITH THEIR kids, the other spouse is considered righteous and doing them a favor if they succeed in getting the disgruntled spouse's throat slit, to "save the kids."As for death penalty, my brother inlaw was an employee at high security prison for 20 yrs. You are mixing two very different topics here.
Again, best wishes .
bsl103158 3 years ago
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
mkbnett- Joseph Smith is the debauched charlatan who originated Mormonism. He faked documents throughout his time as "prophet," threatened damnation to any who disagreed with his rules, which changed often, as they still do in these groups and within Mormonism.
Best book choice- No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie....best ex-Mormon group= Utah Lighthouse Ministry(run by a descendant of Brigham Young, J Smith's famous successor).. there are tons of great youtbe videos by ex-morms
bsl103158 3 years ago
No Man knows my history was written
by Freud. Joseph Smith was brilliant,
but probably dyslexic. That's why he
used scribes. Ex-Mormons don't often
have enough time or the right historical
materials to be informative.
There were a few years in the mid and
late 1970's when a Church Historian named
Arrington opened the archives--Benson Babies grew up with some pretty odd notions about the importance of popular vanity books by General Authorities now ensconced in the
Gerontocracy or deceased.
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
I beleive this account of Joseph
Smith unjust and unfair and wonder
why you are so obsessed with a Religion
which, while not entirely harmless,
has brought joy to many people.
Faking documents in this case, according to
Joseph Andersen who, as a History Professor
at the Y, liked to do brownbaggers to ask
random students how they felt about the new information. Joseph Smith was dyslexic. He read with effort, used scribes for the Book
of Mormon. Our affection for him is unbounded.
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
mkbnett-your tender heart is evident but you seem in dark completely about this cult. they're serious lawbreakers. these videos are tailored, trust me, this group has horrendous abuse issues.I have studied them for years.One practice- they believe in blood atonement- which is slitting the throat of a member that is considered beyond forgiveness. They have many totally false educational practices and they do things to each other you would find horrifying. Many ex-members write books.
bsl103158 3 years ago
It sounds like they might have different cultural beliefs than you do. Killing when you believe someone is beyond forgiveness... that sounds a lot like a religiously-poetic version of the United States' policy of the death penalty. Is that okay?
mkbnett 3 years ago
So did many who had never been
members, about their secular
nightmares. They left many
creepy situations, some, perhaps
many more, were ignored by the
Courts, CPS, then lost their
kids to the abusive spouse
because he had money.
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
Orthodox Jews, and many were Orthodox, children married at about twelve, the marriage was not consummated until
the girl was ready. Joseph Smith had a Hebrew teacher and studied the Zohar and the structure of the Jewish Community. You are right about the trail of tears. I have
a lot of videos about the schools and the raids. What didn't somebody understand. Ask me.
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
I don't understand your mention of nukes. I don't know Joseph Smith, so I don't know why that detail is important to your comment.
mkbnett 3 years ago
Short Creek women of 56 and older were exposed to massive doses of radiation. Nurses and midwives came to educate the mothers and other caretakers. Occasionally I wonder if there was and is now, in Texas, some intention of physical and cultural genocide. The Navy Doctors blamed the lingering effects of radiation on consanguinity. Mutagenic effects of ionizing radiation expand geometrically, generation by generation
Rhumatic diseases like RhumatoId Arthritis,
CFIDD and FMS.
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
cps did by the book interviews and removal. MUCH has been hidden from the public, many deals have bben cut to keep the full truth from the public. What cps and Texas did is small compared to the flds treatment of its own. i have read about them for years. they are extreme and they are very dishonest.. many disappearances and unexplained deaths, birth defects.
bsl103158 3 years ago
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
If you look on the platforms at Ausvitz and other camps
you will see many teenage girls, some pregnant. They are trying to cover up the radiation exposure and its effects. The special programs, genetic nurses and nurse midwives who made house calls to check the babies and document grave deformities. There's been a hold on arrests in Utah for fear that mothers would be too afraid to get help.
Texas is clueless and probably can't get the children's medical records. We do love our nukes.
records.
DadsBlueAngel 3 years ago
I'm confused and don't understand how the details of your comment are relevant. Please explain further, :1.
mkbnett 3 years ago