תסתכלו בהיסטוריה שלהם ואתם תראו שהערבים שלטו באזור בצורה של שליטה התרבותית.. הם כבשו וגרשו משם שבטים אחרים ורק עזבו את הניצולים בשקט כשהם התחילו לקרוא לעצמם ערבים'..
Don't get confused. Some of the "Arabs" (especially Bedouins) in Israel are indeed of Jewish origin, But the Arabs who immigrated to the land during the Ottoman rule and the British mandate are definitely not.
palestinian jews were before palestinian arabs. arabs took the name much later, and since then palestinian jews are israeli jews, like me and like yahoodi.
(הרי הם נשארו יעני רובם ולפי התאוריה שמעתיים הוגלו הם היו צריכים להיות עשרות מילונים בארץ בתקופת בית שני היו 6 מילון יהודים איפה הם היו) והם מרק טווין ואחרים קראו לארצנו ארץ הבכא תפסיקו להכשיר את השרץ הם פולשים ערבים נקודה בלי סיפורים.
אם מה שאתם קוראים "פלסטינים" או ערבי ארץ ישראל אלק הם בעצם יהודים שהמירו את דתם אז אנא תסבירו לנו למה הם הגיעו מעל 95 אחוז מהם ב1920-30 מתוך כוונת גיאד על היהוד ואיפה הם היו שמרק טווין ואחרים שסירו כאן ב1860-90 למה לא ראו אותם
What is this crap ? Jews differ amongst themselves culturally, phenotipically let alone genetically. The Palestinians are a mix of people as well. Non of them is pure.
Jews do not look the same. "Jew" is not a race, its a religious belief were anyone from any ethnicity can follow it. Look at the Eastern Europeans who recently converted to Judaism and had their Israeli Nationality issued right away. Does this russian convert "resemble" to the falasha or the yemenite, even the mizrahim. Some Palestinians resemble to Bedouins and some others resemble to Europeans. So the Palestinians are a mixed race as well.
Where did you meet "many" eastern european converts? an invention of yours. There are 300 thousand ethnic Russian Christians in Israel, but they didn't convert to "Dat Moshe".
Of course some jews are mixed: Falashas are the most mixed ones, and there are also mixes in Yemenite, Lybian jews, "Bene Israel" from India, and western European Dutch jews. Yet, the largest jewish societies remained almost entirely unmixed.
I will not waste my time and mention specific names. You and me know that Eastern Europeans converted and convert to Judaism. Anyway, I just think that the video is full of crap, again I will not discuss the "purity" of the Jews at the moment.
again, its not ur business who our people are, genetically or culturally, AND WE DONT NEED your approve to 3500 years old history. i suggest you go research your own empty roots instead of making politics inside our ancient heritage and belief.
the big group which called palestinians include: sudanese, egyptians, original arabs, armenians, bosnians, turks, yemenites and also jews who arabised and islamized.
what's so surprising about this? you want to tell that original lebanese are arabs aslan? or egyptians?
They live in Judea, That's how they would be Jews. All a Jew is, is someone from the tribe of Judah or someone who lives in Judea. The term Jew is short for Judah or Judea. Hebron is part of the Judean region.
Yes, but the Yemenite Jews to a large extent were Arabian Jews. In Russia, some Turkic people who called themselves Khazars became Jewish and some Jews have Turkic last names for some reasons like Kaplan and Kagan and Sagan. It might be because of that Turkic connection some Ashkenazim have, but the link has been exaggerated for political reasons and the connection Palestinians have to ancient Jews have been denied on purpose by Israelis to deny them a place at the table.
Ashkenaz is Germania in Hebrew. By saying Ashkenazi you relate to Germans, not jews. and there is no Turkic relation.
Cagan is Russian accent for Cahen / Cohen. it is not Turkic name.
Kaplan means in Polish "Chaplain" (Cohen in Hebrew), so Kaplan is actually Cohen in Polish. It is strictly jewish family origin and probably Kaplans come from military background. it is not Turkic name.
Sagan / Zagan is a German name of the duchy of Żagań in Prussian Silesia (present Poland).
greyshark wow, in the end this guy will change his religion to The hebrews relgion because of its beauty and the humanity of it.
they been fed for years with lies, propoganda and conspiracies plan, in the day they will understand how deep is the lies, they will all ask th worship the hebrews religion.
Actually muslims are ordered that the Torah and The Christian Gospels are a word of Allah, thus they must respect it.
Talmud is not a must, because it is not a "written word" of Allah, therefor if muslims (and jews too of course) want to debate and challenge Talmud, they can. But in order to challenge Talmud you must read Torah, which i suspect muslims do not do.
yes we believe in some books, the Torah, David's psalms, and Jesus Gospel.
Jesus gospel is one book not 4 ! and the others are modified, just compare the hebrew Torah with the samaritan Torah ! and you will find many differences.
and about the talmud sure it's not the word of the Creator, but in judaism the word of rabbins is sacred ! sometimes respected more than the word of God ! just look at the customs in your religion, they don't exist in the Torah, all of them made by your rabbins ...
Our Torah showed no changes since the dead sea scrolls 2300 years ago, and we do not know whether Samaritan Torah was preserved as much, so we trust ours.
Talmud is not sacred, but Talmud doesn't contain anything bad accept explanations for Torah. A Musawiya jew knows exactly what is the law of Moses of what is rabinic tradition.
Do not change the subject - do you agree with Sanhedrin page 58 about Nabi Musa who killed the Egyptian guard ? has he done the right thing ?
yahood1, peut tu me donner le pourcentage de palesteniens de confession juive avant 1948? 1, 2, je suis sur qu'ils ne dépassaient pas les 3% de la totalité des palesteniens!!! et faisaient partie de la diaspora juive qui était partt ds le monde!!! il ya des juifs palesteniens comme il y a des juifs americains, russes, anglais, français, allemands ...............
on vois bien ki sont les assassins ya lehmir les 72 vieilles vierges vaches vous on aveugler.
islam= DARFUR! genocide!islam=ARMENIAN genocide!islam= 9/11!islam=madrid sub way!islam=london attacks!islam=paris attacks!
islam=glasgow airport!islam=thailand attacks!islam= russia attacks! islam= indonesia attacks!islam= philippine attacks!islam= pedophilia!islam=honor killing!islam=Ashura ceremony et la liste et longue;;))
tu voit c'est pourquoi les juifs vont aller en enfer, c'est qu'ils croient qu'ils sont superieur aux autres peuples, et quoi qu'il arrive Allah va leur excuser !
Allah vous a exclu de ça miséricorde et vous a damner a l'éternité
c'est normal ! vous dites a vos hakham "rabi" ! et c'est plutot normal aussi car lorque la polygamie par exemple est permise par Allah et qu'in rab de vos rabbins l'interdit pour 1000ans !! vous suivez ce que ce rabbin a dit !
on croit pas cest le vrais dieu ki la di va lire ton coran mais la jalousy allah yester vous tue un rabbin cest pas un prophet hh esque allah vous dit de se marier avec plusieures de femmes pour faire jalouse une femme de lautre cest koi se delire point finale ton allah aime pas les femmes il les a creer pour soufrire les pauvre dans votre coran cest halal de fraper une femme ya willi quel dieu;;))
la conversion au judaïsme est assortie de conditions humiliantes: inspection corporelle par trois rabbins après avoir été dénudée lors dun bain de purification. On imagine les hurlements médiatiques si léglise catholique se permettait le moindre projet en ce sens.
je comprend pas pourquoi ils doivent "mater" son corps !
tu vois tu te contredit hh car les musulmans ils dise dieu pardone regarde ce ke tu a ecris''Allah vous a exclu de ça miséricorde et vous a damner a l'éternité'' ca veux dire ke ton dieu pardone pas anywaysssssss toute votre religion se contredit;;))
There are other Quranic verses where Muhammad have exhorted to hate or to kill infidels in Qur'an and where Imams of today have used these said verses during public prayers where Muslims are gathered together in Mosques:
tout ca cest pour les 72 vieilles vaches vierges une riviere de vin et 3.50 petits jeune hommes a la jenna wow ke le sex hhhhhh un dieu ki promis le sex;;))
maatouka, t'es devenue plus juif que les juifs, toi la musulmane convertie!!! plus idiote que toi, je ne trouves pas!! t'es mme la reine des idiots!!!
Technically it was not jews who wrote Talmud Sanhedrin 58b, which you quoted in French. I'm sorry, but such passage doesn't exist in Talmud, someone invented it.
No the babylonian Talmud is not the origin of the passages so wildly "quoted" by atnisemites on youtube and some people like you who are fooled by them.
This is taken from a book named "The Talmud Unmasked" by Lithuanian antisemite I.B.Pranaitis who claimed to be a self learned "expert" on jewish Talmud, yet proved in court not even know the language which most Talmud is written (Aramaic). His falsified "translation" is used a blood label and quoted as "the source".
Tractate Sanhedrin p59b contains a description and explanation of the story of Nabi Musa.
Are you a faithful muslim, and believe in the Prophet Musa, due to whom we are called Sha'ab Musawiya in arabic ?
The story (Exodus 2:11-12) tells that young Musa has seen an Egyptian guard hitting (with weapon) a Hebrew man, thus Musa saved his Hebrew brother and killed the guard.
The Talmud explains that what Musa did was correct. Do you disagree ?
dit moi quand un chhit tue un sunni de quel coter est allah? et pkoi tu veux pas psrler de ca car cesr la veriter vous tuer vos fereres degoutantttt pkoi tu parle pas se kil on fais on iran tuer des innocents pkoi pas sure les sunit les shiit tah3likoum batel et la liste et longue israel se defend apres 8 ans de rockets .les seule assassins dans se monde la cest vous comme votre prophet;;))
les seule ki massacgre cest le islam . vous ete entrain de vous tuer entre vous meme le shii tue le suni le suni tue le shii hamas tue fatah et el queida vous faite du bon travaille hhhhhhhh apres vous parler des juifs regarder votre grosse bosse israel se defend;;)
Assyrians called Israelite tribes as "a-bi-ru" (or Ha-bi-ru). Later some proposed it has to do with Eber, but actually it means "wanderers" in Akkadian - as wondering Israelite tribes who exited Egypt.
כך נקראו שבטי ישראל בידי זרים כאשר הגיעו ממצרים, בטרם התיישבו בדרך קבע באר כנען במאה ה12-13 לפני הספירה, והכינוי דבק בנו. ז"א עברים כבר היו בעלי דת מונוטאיסטית..
Let me clear this one. Jews, Samaritans and Palestinians are all Hebrews, as they are all descended from the ancient Hebrews. A person's ethnicity must never be defined by his religion, as is the case with Jews and Parsis. It only complicates matters and makes them worse.
Most middle eastern nations identify religion with ethnicity like Jews, Druze, Yezidi. Arabs are somehow an exeption as they imposed their islamic faith on others. Many nations who are considered within Shia Islam are actually practicing their old faiths like Alawis is Syria, Alevis in Turkey, Druzes in Lebanon/Syria/Israel. The remaining Samaritans are by the way intermerrying jews only, though others took Islam and had become arabidized during last centuries.
not really....the jews were hebrews and then got the jewish religion from god most of the jews are from hebrew ancestors.the first muslims were arabs,. but nowadys most of muslim are not arabs.
לפי המסורת הדת היהודית ניתנה לאברהם, עוד בטרם הגיע לארץ כנען, ז"א עוד בטרם היה לשבט נודד. הכתבים העתיקים מתייחסים לשבטים נודדים ממוצא הו-אור-רי (צפון נהריים) כ a-bi-ru או כפי שאנו קוראים זאת ע-ב-רי.
no ,,, he sent to Makka... and i know my history and by the way the tribe which belong to prophet Muhammad have the same Genetic marker with Cohen... bye//
I don't think so, quraysh consider to be Nobel Arabic tribes and it has many tribes such as Al hasmey (belong to Prophets Muhammad) they consider more like sons' of Ishmael. If you want to know the Israelite tribes, they were in the Madina. Two of them were Israelite Bano Nader and mmm i don't remember which one (Qretha or Qenoqa) and one was Arab who became Jewish (Qretha or Qenoqa)...
Muhammad and his cohort massacred 600-900 Jewish men and boys of the Banu Qurayza tribe (Ibn Ishaq 464; Abu Dawud Sulaiman bin Al-Aash'ath Al-Azdi as Sijistani, Sunan abu Dawud, Ahamd Hasan Translator, Kitab Bhavan, 1990. Book 38, no. 4390) and making the women and children as slaves (Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 443.)
yes and the head of that army is a prophet send by god killing the infidels did u hear last night the news or u see only el jazira how hamas killing el queida people in gaza shooting them like animals;;))
This war was started when Muhammad ordered all Muslims to fight disbelievers until you convert them or subjugate them to dhimmis (second-class status where they're forbidden to preach their religion carry religious relics under penalty of beheading), if they refuse it warrant their deaths.
J1CMH (cohen marker) is found in Jews, Kurds, Palestinians, Samaritans and many Iraqis. It is rarely found across arabian peninsula or in the gulf, and thought to originate withing northern Mesopotamia - Kurds/Jews/Iraqis(Babylonian mix with arabs). Palestinian J1CMH probably comes from the jews.
oh, I understand what you mean, I don't mean that Prophet Muhammad share the exact same genetic with Cohen . but I said they share the same line which is J1 and without the details. As well as the Ismeali Tribes.. the exact line will be more found in the Jewish Maddina tribes.
Mmm, you seemed didn't understand my meaning Prophet Muhammad as well as the Ishmaelite tribes such as Hashmy came from Ishmael (they are his great great great (descended )grandsons^_^) we Arab consider the father not the mother
most of the arabs calling themselves palestinians are simply arabs from egypt that came with ibrahim pasha, or from other parts of Arabia. those that were really jews are welcome to convert back. this is the land of the jews.
many of them yes, but those people live mostly in israeli shore, like in jaffa, akka, haifa and the closest villages, you can see that their skin is darkest then the skin of the palestinians of the west bank. west bank palestinians are kurds, some are real arabs from the penisula, some are the descent of the roman army, and some are hebrews.
correction - modern arabic (with writing) was created in 5th century by Nabatu arabs from early arabic and Aramaic and Hebrew. Yet early arabic (without writing) was developed since 4 century BC from aramaic and isolate non-semitic arabian tongue.
Arab today consider to have the most high Semitic genetic marker than Jewish because as Jewish believe you can become Jewish if your mother is Jewish , Arab believe you can become Arab if your father is Arab. so the J marker are high in Arab
i want 2 ask..th palstinian jws ? why are they undrcover ? why dont they just announce that they are jwes? um sure the palestinians will accpt them since thy are palestinians as well..i wish i could speak to a palestinian jew :D
from the same reason they have become muslim and "arab like" - fear of their neighbours. Nothing changed since they are under Palestinian authority, any attempt of turning back to judaism would erupt into intifada, and they would loose everything.
correct m if um wrong..but as far as i know whn the ottoman ruled ther wasnt any racism or tension betwen muslims, christians and jews. not only in palestine but through out the middle east. maybe they should have tried to announce their identity back then..but i really do wish for them to be open about it and talk about their history and why, how they convertd.
you are wrong, arabs rioted against christians, jews and others (druze, yezidi) all times. Ottomans treated jews well, but their rule was badly coordinated, thus riots rocked middle eastern cities every once and a while.
check in wikipedia: "conversion of jews to islam" and "history of jews under muslim rule".
riots broke out occasionally mainly initiated by ethnic arabs, and rarely supressed by rulers.
Interressant. I'm arab from North Africa, and a relative found that we have a common ancestor from europe. But it was centuries ago ... its difficult to really know.
They are arabs in the cultural sense. Not genetically. In Portugal, where i live a lot of people also have the false impression that the moors were arabians, while most fo them were in fact berbers from North Africa who converted to Islamism.
פשוט עיצבן אותי שבא מישו חסר השכלה שקרא כמה דברים פה ושם, ומנסה להתווכח עם מסקנות המחקר של פרופסור אופנהיים, בייחוד שזה מחקר אחד מתוך רבים מאוד, עם מסקנות מאוד דומות.
אני באמת צריך להפסיק להגיב על כל דבר, לא חסר חסרי השכלה במיוחד ביוטיוב. צריך לשלים עם זה.
I have middle eastern origins just in case you don't know. I come from a sephardi background and my Y-DNA test revealed i belong haplogorup J2 (typical in Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Northern Syria and also in Northern Iraq).
And yes i know people from the Middle East, but most ashkenazi jews don't look like them (except in the case of turks and armenians). It's not just eye color that matters but also the nose size and skin color.
I'm sorry to tell you but jews are southern Caucasian population (northern mesopotamia), so this is why jews do not look like arabs. No original population of the middle east look like pure arabs, who invaded the middle east from south and mixed with locals. Yet many populations remained untouched. Armenians and Anatolians are exactly the population which were little influenced by invasion genetically, while Syrians, Egyptians, Palis were a result of large influx from southern arabia.
If that was the case then we would have to believe that all midde eastern males were killed and replaced by arabs which clealrys is not the case. You contradict yourself here. J1 already existed in other Middle Eastern areas indeed and therefore you can't claim that palestinains are mostly J1 because they descent from original arabs and the same goes for the lebanese, syrians and iraqis. The have J1 because their ancestors, the canaanites already had J1! I think this is quite obvious
There are many different types of J1. If 2 people have J1 it means they have a common ancestor ~15K years ago, it doesn't mean they are same tribe, because J1 dispersed across middle eat and southern europe in early neolithic migrations.
Most J1's of Palestinians is identical to J1 in Yemen and Arabia. Galilean arabs are for example identical with J1 subhaplotype near Sanaa in Yemen. Yet some of J1, J2, E, G in west bank arabs' is clearly present in jewish, especially ashkenazi populations.
«There are many different types of J1. If 2 people have J1 it means they have a common ancestor ~15K years ago, it doesn't mean they are same tribe, because J1 dispersed across middle eat and southern europe in early neolithic migrations.»
Exactly. I didn't say otherwise. On the contrary. The fact that most palestinians have J1 doesn't mean they descent from the arabs who invaded Israel. Instead they're much more connected to the ancient hebrews and canaanites.
The same applies to the lebanese and to the syrians. What happened is that, despite the genetic similarity between these people and the arabs, in times, they had a different culture from the arabs, but as arab occupation took place they were lead to embrace its culture and religion and therefore, losing track of their canaanite, hebrew, phoenician and assyrian roots.
Phoenicians (maronites), assyrians, alawits, chaldeans, jews and many others did not disappear or change faith. They still exist in the middle east, and have communities abroad. If you are not familiar with them doesn't mean they became arabs ! It just means you do not know much of the peoples of the middle east - arabs are hardly a majority here. In Israel we have for example a community of 3000 Maronites (cnaanaite - phoenician), and 700 Samaritans. The people are not exinct !!!
I know there are christians in Lebannon but most of them speak arab not aramaen or hebrew. Second to that, those christians are a minority in that part of the Middle East. And what is the point of saying in Israel there are 3000 maronites when you have more than one million muslims? What language do they all speak In Lebannon and in Syria? Arab!!
Have they preserved the phoenician and assyran culture and religion? No they haven't!! They were all arabised!!
Most of Lebanese christians speak arabic and french, their cultural and religious heritage is in Aramaic.
I too speak basic arabic, which is an offshoot of Hebrew and Aramaic, am i considered arab?
Many nations preserved their culture and ethnicity, yet significant numbers were indeed islamized and intermarried with ethnic arabs (like syrian arabs). Take a look at the syrian president Assad - he is a typical blue eyed indengenous Alawite, who dominate Syria.
«Many nations preserved their culture and ethnicity, yet significant numbers were indeed islamized and intermarried with ethnic arabs »
I mostly agree but i don't think there was as much admixture between assyrians and arabians as many think. It just happens that many of them already shared common genes, meaning that most assyrians absorbed arab culture and religion. They were arabized, just like most jews who remained in Israel after arab occupation
Syria and Lebanon (which were part of ancient Israel in the past) are placed in territories where male people carrying J1, J2 and E1b1 haplogroups became mixed. The same could be verified in Southern Israel/Canaan due to the presence of tribes coming from the North (hurrians, hitites, philistines) although the there was a prevalence of haplogroup J1 as there still is today among palestinians (probably due to the influence of other canaanite tribes such as the amorites and the amelekites).
«I too speak basic Arabic, which is an offshoot of Hebrew and Aramaic, am i considered arab?»
No, but if Arabic is the main language of your country, then it is reasonable to say that most people in your country are arabs (at least in the cultural sense).
It just happens that Canaan was conquered by the ancient hebrews who became mixed with the local population (the canaanites) and were later subject to invasions by the babylonians, the assyrians, the persians, the greeks, the romans, the egyptians, the arabs and the ottomans whcih lead many to abandon the country. However many of them stayed and were mostly converted to Islam during muslim occupation and lost track of their hebrew origins just like many new christians in Portugal and Spain.
I advise you not to go into argument before you explain to yourself the genetic proximity table (Oppenheim et al 2000), which is shown at 5:46 in this video. It is very similar to researches of Gaderi, Hammer and even of pro-palestinian Martinez Laso. Other researches just show that >50% of Palestinian ancestors are from arabia.
It is senseless to argue on this without education in biology, so please unless you bring a reference to scientific article, do not state things you do not understand.
I think you're the one who needs to be educated. First, in Northern Mesopotamia and Anatolia and the Caucasus the most predominant haplogroup is J2 not J1. Second, you're failing to understand that what i'm saying is that before the hebrews arrived in Canaan there was already a society living there, whose males were mostly J1. They were later absorbed into the hebrew nation, by adopting their religion and culture and through admixture.
Third, the mizrahi jews have the highest frequency of haplogorup J1, which probably results from the admixture with canaanites and other populations who lived in the nearby regions. In the case of ashkenazi jews, the frequency of haplogroup J1doesn't excede 30%. The same goes for sephardi jews, who are more related in terms of Y-DNA to the kurds, armenians, syrians, lebanese, berbers and romans.
Most Arabs in Israel did not originate from Israel. No doubt some Jews were forced into Islam over time, but it's a fairly small number, and they are not Halachic Jews.
So this video is sensational but meaningless. Also the claim made by one supposed historian that only the upper classes were exiled after the Second Temple is plain wrong.
Lets get this straight: hebrew did not originate in Israle but in Mesopotamia. They were a mixture of tribes living in what is now Georgia, Armenia, Southern Turkey, Syria, Iraq and maybe Western Iran. These tribes then moved on to Canaan where they became mixed with the local population and later on to Egypt, where the same happened. After conquering Canaan they would have to deal with invasions by the assyrians, babylonians (from who they derive), persians, greeks and romans.
During this period of invasions many israelites emirated towards other parts of the globe namely North Africa, Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Balkans, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Iran and Afghanistan where they established prosperous communities and intermixed with the local population. This admixture however, appears to have occured mostly due to intercourse between hebrew males and gentile females.
This idea is reforced by most DNA studies which indicate that while jewish Y-DNA is mostly of Middle Eastern origins, in terms of Mt-DNA, they're more diversified, which means that unlike the religious belief, there more than 4 maternal lineages in the jewish gene pool. This is one of the main reasons why some ashkenazi jews have inherited germanic/slavic physical traits. The other has to do with the fact it only takes a person to have jewish maternal grandmother to be considered a jew.
if ones mother must be jewish, then how come mtdna is more diversed than ydna ?
ahskenazi jews show 5-12% of european ydna, which is surprisingly low. there is similarly small additions into sephardic (and north african) jewish gene pools. the largely diversed communities are actually small numbered (indian,lybian,dutch jews), thus making most jews very preserved compared to their origin - the kurds.
In terms of Y-DNA, jews are more close to Middle Eastern populations, but they're more diverse in terms of Mt-DNA, which is could be explain by admixture between jewish males and european females. They were probably fascinated by those blue eyes blond females lol. That is the reason why many inherited as well european physical traits, the ashkenazi in particular.
Many of us have blue eyes, with no connection to Europa. Actually even Ishmaelite arabs have blue eyes. For example 9% of alawits have blue eyes, many Druze, and quite many Iraqis. This argument is coming from lack of knowledge. Go look some pictures.
Yes i have. And it's you lack some knowledge here. You should start looking to genetic studies, as they clearly point out that ashkenazi jews are not that close to palestinains. Surely not more than mizrahi jews.
the truth is sephardi and ashkenazi jews are more related to kurds, lebanese, syrians, turks, northern iraqis, armenians, georgians and maybe western iranians, which makes sense, given that ancient hebrews came from Mesopotamia
Other reasons to be considered are conversions of gentiles in Rome, Greece and Khazaria and more recently by russians and ukrainians who falsified documents in order to migrate towards Israel after WWII. However these phenomenons represent small numbers today, as many romans and greeks were later converted to Christianism, while in Khazaria, only the elites adopted Judaism.
Now, regarding the palestinians, it is important to note that they are the descendants of hebrews and canaanites (who themselves were already culturally and genetically diversified) who remained in the land and were converted to Islam during arab and ottoman occupation.
They remind me of the many portuguese (like me), spanish, italian and south americans who descend from sephardi jews who in turn were forced to convert to Christianism by the Catholic Inquisition.
They're not newly comers. Most of them are the descendants of ancient canaanites and hebrews. There was though some immigration going on from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Turkey since the Mamluk and Ottoman invasions, but that goes back to 1244 AD. It's numbers however did increase whith the rise of Israel's economy in the early 20th century.
Also don't forget that jews were subject to massacres in Israel, namely in Safed and Jerusalem (in 1660) which forcefully lead many to be converted to Islam in similar fashion as to what occured with the sephardi jews in Portugal, Spain, Italy and South America. Like the new-christians, i think it's time to start talking about the new-muslims, all of which share ancient hebrew blood.
Actually some Palis are indeed Israelite by origin, and Turks are largely Anatolian. Only 2-5% of Turks DNA comes from far east. Their transition proved to be cultural and linguistic, rather than genetic. Yet, In the case of Palis the numbers of genetic influx are 50-70% or even more.
You're talking about Y-DNA i presume. Let me add that 25% of the male turks are associated to haplogroup J2 (typical in Northern Mesopotamia), while haplogroup J1 (typical among arabs) makes only 5%. The other 70% are mostly haplogroups E1b1, R1b, I and G.
Regarding the palestinians, genetic studies revealed that haplogroup J1 comprises about 65% of the male population.
As for the jews, it's been detected that around 70% of their males fall into E1b1, J1 and J2 haplogroups.
كل هذه اكاذيب .......هذه ليس صحيح
alaa89bh 2 years ago
it would be easier if you were right, but this is not the case
z1e2v1 2 years ago
alaa89bh, you are a joke.
scarab088 1 year ago
לכן לבנון היא לא מדינה נוצרי היום, זה למה המנהיגים של הנוצרים בלבנון תמיד מדברים על אחווה ערבית, וזה למה האשורים בעירק הם כתושים היום
ההיסטוריה ברור
scoobyDx 2 years ago 3
תסתכלו בהיסטוריה שלהם ואתם תראו שהערבים שלטו באזור בצורה של שליטה התרבותית.. הם כבשו וגרשו משם שבטים אחרים ורק עזבו את הניצולים בשקט כשהם התחילו לקרוא לעצמם ערבים'..
scoobyDx 2 years ago 2
Don't get confused. Some of the "Arabs" (especially Bedouins) in Israel are indeed of Jewish origin, But the Arabs who immigrated to the land during the Ottoman rule and the British mandate are definitely not.
Ron9915 2 years ago 5
נפלא!
jesusoverisrael 2 years ago
My mother went to Palestine/Israel as young to work at a kibbutz - farm.
She told me there where native jews(non -
Israeli) in that region, who faught for the Palestinians.
I was kind of surprised to find out, since I thought many palestinians would hate jews.
besmb2105 2 years ago
@besmb2105
native jews non Israeli ?
what in the name of G-d is this ?
Judah is son of Israel. All jews (Judeans) are Israeli by blood.
Greyshark09 2 years ago 5
There are many israeli jews who comes from the middle east.
But I was very surprised to find it out, myself, that there are palestinian jews.
besmb2105 2 years ago
palestinian jews were before palestinian arabs. arabs took the name much later, and since then palestinian jews are israeli jews, like me and like yahoodi.
Greyshark09 2 years ago 5
My mother told me of palestinian jews who consider themselves palestinians.
I dont know. It seems to good to be true,
but maybe there is.
besmb2105 2 years ago
this is what the movie is about - ilamized and arabidized jews who call themselves palestinians today, but some remember their heritage is jewish.
Greyshark09 2 years ago 4
Maybe.
besmb2105 2 years ago
(הרי הם נשארו יעני רובם ולפי התאוריה שמעתיים הוגלו הם היו צריכים להיות עשרות מילונים בארץ בתקופת בית שני היו 6 מילון יהודים איפה הם היו) והם מרק טווין ואחרים קראו לארצנו ארץ הבכא תפסיקו להכשיר את השרץ הם פולשים ערבים נקודה בלי סיפורים.
shlo1 2 years ago
אם מה שאתם קוראים "פלסטינים" או ערבי ארץ ישראל אלק הם בעצם יהודים שהמירו את דתם אז אנא תסבירו לנו למה הם הגיעו מעל 95 אחוז מהם ב1920-30 מתוך כוונת גיאד על היהוד ואיפה הם היו שמרק טווין ואחרים שסירו כאן ב1860-90 למה לא ראו אותם
shlo1 2 years ago
What is this crap ? Jews differ amongst themselves culturally, phenotipically let alone genetically. The Palestinians are a mix of people as well. Non of them is pure.
AnAncientDeity 2 years ago
Most jews look the same, and resemble some Palestinians.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
Jews do not look the same. "Jew" is not a race, its a religious belief were anyone from any ethnicity can follow it. Look at the Eastern Europeans who recently converted to Judaism and had their Israeli Nationality issued right away. Does this russian convert "resemble" to the falasha or the yemenite, even the mizrahim. Some Palestinians resemble to Bedouins and some others resemble to Europeans. So the Palestinians are a mixed race as well.
AnAncientDeity 2 years ago
Judean = son of Judah tribe. ethnicity.
religion = Dat Moshe ve Israel.
Where did you meet "many" eastern european converts? an invention of yours. There are 300 thousand ethnic Russian Christians in Israel, but they didn't convert to "Dat Moshe".
Of course some jews are mixed: Falashas are the most mixed ones, and there are also mixes in Yemenite, Lybian jews, "Bene Israel" from India, and western European Dutch jews. Yet, the largest jewish societies remained almost entirely unmixed.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
I will not waste my time and mention specific names. You and me know that Eastern Europeans converted and convert to Judaism. Anyway, I just think that the video is full of crap, again I will not discuss the "purity" of the Jews at the moment.
AnAncientDeity 2 years ago
We are not pure - religious scholars of jews say Aellohim wanted us to mix with all nations of Earth, so we have part of all human kind.
You don't mean eastern europeans, you mean Russians -great people, allies of my people in WWII, enemies of yours.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
again, its not ur business who our people are, genetically or culturally, AND WE DONT NEED your approve to 3500 years old history. i suggest you go research your own empty roots instead of making politics inside our ancient heritage and belief.
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
Man lol. I am not denying your history or whatever you are saying. And Greyshark you are right, they might be Russians or Ukrainians.
So Yahoodi you are saying that the Palestinians are Judeans ? How is that possible ?
AnAncientDeity 2 years ago
the big group which called palestinians include: sudanese, egyptians, original arabs, armenians, bosnians, turks, yemenites and also jews who arabised and islamized.
what's so surprising about this? you want to tell that original lebanese are arabs aslan? or egyptians?
cheers
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
I belive these people r Jews, just because of the area they reside . This is the area of Judea. Therefore, this would make them Jews.
afrolatino380 2 years ago
They live in Judea, That's how they would be Jews. All a Jew is, is someone from the tribe of Judah or someone who lives in Judea. The term Jew is short for Judah or Judea. Hebron is part of the Judean region.
afrolatino380 2 years ago
Yes, but the Yemenite Jews to a large extent were Arabian Jews. In Russia, some Turkic people who called themselves Khazars became Jewish and some Jews have Turkic last names for some reasons like Kaplan and Kagan and Sagan. It might be because of that Turkic connection some Ashkenazim have, but the link has been exaggerated for political reasons and the connection Palestinians have to ancient Jews have been denied on purpose by Israelis to deny them a place at the table.
QUINTUSMAXIMUS 2 years ago
@quintusmaximus
Ashkenaz is Germania in Hebrew. By saying Ashkenazi you relate to Germans, not jews. and there is no Turkic relation.
Cagan is Russian accent for Cahen / Cohen. it is not Turkic name.
Kaplan means in Polish "Chaplain" (Cohen in Hebrew), so Kaplan is actually Cohen in Polish. It is strictly jewish family origin and probably Kaplans come from military background. it is not Turkic name.
Sagan / Zagan is a German name of the duchy of Żagań in Prussian Silesia (present Poland).
Greyshark09 2 years ago
Tribe sawarka , descendants of Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham peace be upon him. They have Jewish blood original.
They managed to keep the descent along these years
Where they do not accept the marriage outside the tribe
So do not Lost descent
Kazenovia 2 years ago
It's all about people from another planet, not God. Allah=Yahweh=Eloha=human- extraterrestrial.
drekecdrekecadrekecu 2 years ago
greyshark wow, in the end this guy will change his religion to The hebrews relgion because of its beauty and the humanity of it.
they been fed for years with lies, propoganda and conspiracies plan, in the day they will understand how deep is the lies, they will all ask th worship the hebrews religion.
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
Actually muslims are ordered that the Torah and The Christian Gospels are a word of Allah, thus they must respect it.
Talmud is not a must, because it is not a "written word" of Allah, therefor if muslims (and jews too of course) want to debate and challenge Talmud, they can. But in order to challenge Talmud you must read Torah, which i suspect muslims do not do.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
yes we believe in some books, the Torah, David's psalms, and Jesus Gospel.
Jesus gospel is one book not 4 ! and the others are modified, just compare the hebrew Torah with the samaritan Torah ! and you will find many differences.
and about the talmud sure it's not the word of the Creator, but in judaism the word of rabbins is sacred ! sometimes respected more than the word of God ! just look at the customs in your religion, they don't exist in the Torah, all of them made by your rabbins ...
Arabsys 2 years ago
Our Torah showed no changes since the dead sea scrolls 2300 years ago, and we do not know whether Samaritan Torah was preserved as much, so we trust ours.
Talmud is not sacred, but Talmud doesn't contain anything bad accept explanations for Torah. A Musawiya jew knows exactly what is the law of Moses of what is rabinic tradition.
Do not change the subject - do you agree with Sanhedrin page 58 about Nabi Musa who killed the Egyptian guard ? has he done the right thing ?
Greyshark09 2 years ago
yahood1, peut tu me donner le pourcentage de palesteniens de confession juive avant 1948? 1, 2, je suis sur qu'ils ne dépassaient pas les 3% de la totalité des palesteniens!!! et faisaient partie de la diaspora juive qui était partt ds le monde!!! il ya des juifs palesteniens comme il y a des juifs americains, russes, anglais, français, allemands ...............
Khalwi2 2 years ago
on vois bien ki sont les assassins ya lehmir les 72 vieilles vierges vaches vous on aveugler.
islam= DARFUR! genocide!islam=ARMENIAN genocide!islam= 9/11!islam=madrid sub way!islam=london attacks!islam=paris attacks!
islam=glasgow airport!islam=thailand attacks!islam= russia attacks! islam= indonesia attacks!islam= philippine attacks!islam= pedophilia!islam=honor killing!islam=Ashura ceremony et la liste et longue;;))
Metouka2009 2 years ago
vous raler car le peuple juifs le peuple adorer par dieu vous ete 1.5 billion derba el kahla et les juifs 15 millions et ils vous deprime;;))
Metouka2009 2 years ago
tu voit c'est pourquoi les juifs vont aller en enfer, c'est qu'ils croient qu'ils sont superieur aux autres peuples, et quoi qu'il arrive Allah va leur excuser !
Allah vous a exclu de ça miséricorde et vous a damner a l'éternité
c'est normal ! vous dites a vos hakham "rabi" ! et c'est plutot normal aussi car lorque la polygamie par exemple est permise par Allah et qu'in rab de vos rabbins l'interdit pour 1000ans !! vous suivez ce que ce rabbin a dit !
Arabsys 2 years ago
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Metouka2009 2 years ago
on croit pas cest le vrais dieu ki la di va lire ton coran mais la jalousy allah yester vous tue un rabbin cest pas un prophet hh esque allah vous dit de se marier avec plusieures de femmes pour faire jalouse une femme de lautre cest koi se delire point finale ton allah aime pas les femmes il les a creer pour soufrire les pauvre dans votre coran cest halal de fraper une femme ya willi quel dieu;;))
Metouka2009 2 years ago
matat3arfi waloo 3la al islam ya meskina
krikoshell08 2 years ago
la conversion au judaïsme est assortie de conditions humiliantes: inspection corporelle par trois rabbins après avoir été dénudée lors dun bain de purification. On imagine les hurlements médiatiques si léglise catholique se permettait le moindre projet en ce sens.
je comprend pas pourquoi ils doivent "mater" son corps !
Arabsys 2 years ago
tu vois tu te contredit hh car les musulmans ils dise dieu pardone regarde ce ke tu a ecris''Allah vous a exclu de ça miséricorde et vous a damner a l'éternité'' ca veux dire ke ton dieu pardone pas anywaysssssss toute votre religion se contredit;;))
Metouka2009 2 years ago
Talmud, Sanhedrin 58b : Si un goyim (non-juif) frappe un juif, il faut le tuer, car cest comme frapper dieu.
ya même un autre foutu rabbin qui hallucine et dit, qu'un rabbin a discuter avec Dieu sur quelque chose et que le rabbin avez raison !
vos rabbin ce croit mieux que les prophètes, le pire c'est qu'ils se croit capable de discuter les ordres du Créateur !
Arabsys 2 years ago
ton coran sacre;;))
There are other Quranic verses where Muhammad have exhorted to hate or to kill infidels in Qur'an and where Imams of today have used these said verses during public prayers where Muslims are gathered together in Mosques:
002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082;
Metouka2009 2 years ago
3andak m3a copier et coller
krikoshell08 2 years ago
tout ca cest pour les 72 vieilles vaches vierges une riviere de vin et 3.50 petits jeune hommes a la jenna wow ke le sex hhhhhh un dieu ki promis le sex;;))
Metouka2009 2 years ago
j'ai cherché et je trouve pas ses 72 vierges et 3.5 je sais koi tu peut me donner des sources ?! ou comme d'habitude le fruit de votre imagination ?
moi j'aimerai bien être un martyr même si j'aie en enfer si c'est vous l'ennemie :D parce que je serai sure d'être avec la justice ;)
Arabsys 2 years ago
maatouka, t'es devenue plus juif que les juifs, toi la musulmane convertie!!! plus idiote que toi, je ne trouves pas!! t'es mme la reine des idiots!!!
Khalwi2 2 years ago
elle a jamais ete musulmane juste elle dit ca pour nous faire sentir mal
elle sait bien monter des truc comme ca car ses parents vivaient au maroc c tout
krikoshell08 2 years ago
טמטום אנטישמי, או בדיחה ?
מסכת סנהדרין היא בת י"א פרקים, אין דבר כזה פרק נ"ח ב'
העלבה לאינטלגנציה
Greyshark09 2 years ago
use arabic or english or french when discussing with me I don't understand hebrew
Arabsys 2 years ago
d'alika mukataa min talmud musawiya hiya ibtikaar arabiya :)
darastu el talmud, ya sad'ij
Greyshark09 2 years ago
so we wrote the talmud !!! good news !
Arabsys 2 years ago
Technically it was not jews who wrote Talmud Sanhedrin 58b, which you quoted in French. I'm sorry, but such passage doesn't exist in Talmud, someone invented it.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
give me the actual talmud you don't reject so i learn it too !
Arabsys 2 years ago
I do not reject any talmud, there is only one.
Talmud is the book of the wise men who explained the holy book of Torah. Talmud itself is not holy, but a book of law interpretations, and philosophy.
You better ask yourself where from did you get the false passages, which do not exist. Perhaps some antisemite liers, who know nothing of Judaism ?
Greyshark09 2 years ago
ok maybe it's a false talmud, according to you, but can i have a authentic one ? if you have an online version of it please send it to me
Arabsys 2 years ago
No problem, but first tell me where from did you get the falsified passages ?
Greyshark09 2 years ago
Well it seems i remain unanswered. The mystic false passages from the Talmud kept you silent...
Greyshark09 2 years ago
i have the babylonian talmud, this talmud is the source of these passages
Arabsys 2 years ago
No the babylonian Talmud is not the origin of the passages so wildly "quoted" by atnisemites on youtube and some people like you who are fooled by them.
This is taken from a book named "The Talmud Unmasked" by Lithuanian antisemite I.B.Pranaitis who claimed to be a self learned "expert" on jewish Talmud, yet proved in court not even know the language which most Talmud is written (Aramaic). His falsified "translation" is used a blood label and quoted as "the source".
Greyshark09 2 years ago
I can tell you are fooled by the fact than Sanhedrin folder doesn't have 58 chapter. This is senseless to quote something which doesn't exist.
I'm not angry of you, because you were fooled, but please have some ambition to question where your sources come from.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
If there is no chapter 58, then perhaps page #58 in Sanhedrin tractate you might ask ?
Greyshark09 2 years ago
Tractate Sanhedrin p59b contains a description and explanation of the story of Nabi Musa.
Are you a faithful muslim, and believe in the Prophet Musa, due to whom we are called Sha'ab Musawiya in arabic ?
The story (Exodus 2:11-12) tells that young Musa has seen an Egyptian guard hitting (with weapon) a Hebrew man, thus Musa saved his Hebrew brother and killed the guard.
The Talmud explains that what Musa did was correct. Do you disagree ?
Greyshark09 2 years ago
dit moi quand un chhit tue un sunni de quel coter est allah? et pkoi tu veux pas psrler de ca car cesr la veriter vous tuer vos fereres degoutantttt pkoi tu parle pas se kil on fais on iran tuer des innocents pkoi pas sure les sunit les shiit tah3likoum batel et la liste et longue israel se defend apres 8 ans de rockets .les seule assassins dans se monde la cest vous comme votre prophet;;))
Metouka2009 2 years ago
les seule ki massacgre cest le islam . vous ete entrain de vous tuer entre vous meme le shii tue le suni le suni tue le shii hamas tue fatah et el queida vous faite du bon travaille hhhhhhhh apres vous parler des juifs regarder votre grosse bosse israel se defend;;)
Metouka2009 2 years ago
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AraboAlgerian2 2 years ago
interesting video good to see new things on youtube
Malkibaal 2 years ago
hebrew is a race, judaism is a religion, so beign a hebrew muslim is something normal
here in morocco we have a lot of hebrew muslims, even me i have some hebrew blood !
so don't think that a hebrew should be automaticly jewish !!!
Arabsys 2 years ago
Jews are from the Hebrew race, because they are descendants of Eber.
Metouka2009 2 years ago
There is no "Hebrew" race. Hebrew is not how we call ourselfs, we are Judeans, grandchildren of Israel , from the seed of Arpaxad son of Shem.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
Assyrians called Israelite tribes as "a-bi-ru" (or Ha-bi-ru). Later some proposed it has to do with Eber, but actually it means "wanderers" in Akkadian - as wondering Israelite tribes who exited Egypt.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
jews is just another name for hebrew, because the tribe of judah. hebrew cant be muslims cause hebrew worship only hebrew religion.
if they worship islam they have mistake with their idenity.
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
כך נקראו שבטי ישראל בידי זרים כאשר הגיעו ממצרים, בטרם התיישבו בדרך קבע באר כנען במאה ה12-13 לפני הספירה, והכינוי דבק בנו. ז"א עברים כבר היו בעלי דת מונוטאיסטית..
Greyshark09 2 years ago
nachon ata tsodek.
Metouka2009 2 years ago
Palestinian were Jews at one point, then Christian, then now they are Muslim.
nyonan 2 years ago
jews are jews so they are jews by blood and muslim by religion
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
Let me clear this one. Jews, Samaritans and Palestinians are all Hebrews, as they are all descended from the ancient Hebrews. A person's ethnicity must never be defined by his religion, as is the case with Jews and Parsis. It only complicates matters and makes them worse.
LordHighXcutioner 2 years ago
Most middle eastern nations identify religion with ethnicity like Jews, Druze, Yezidi. Arabs are somehow an exeption as they imposed their islamic faith on others. Many nations who are considered within Shia Islam are actually practicing their old faiths like Alawis is Syria, Alevis in Turkey, Druzes in Lebanon/Syria/Israel. The remaining Samaritans are by the way intermerrying jews only, though others took Islam and had become arabidized during last centuries.
faith=ethnicity in middle east.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
not really....the jews were hebrews and then got the jewish religion from god most of the jews are from hebrew ancestors.the first muslims were arabs,. but nowadys most of muslim are not arabs.
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
לפי המסורת הדת היהודית ניתנה לאברהם, עוד בטרם הגיע לארץ כנען, ז"א עוד בטרם היה לשבט נודד. הכתבים העתיקים מתייחסים לשבטים נודדים ממוצא הו-אור-רי (צפון נהריים) כ a-bi-ru או כפי שאנו קוראים זאת ע-ב-רי.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
where do you think the Arab in gulf came from?? they are the son' of Ishmael.. today they found that they have high J1 such as the Cohen...
mewoone 2 years ago
ishmael is not father of the arabs, arabs are very mixed, and word "arab" in hebrew=mix, indeed only adnani arabs have some ishmael in them.
the rest are mix of many races. true arabs are indeed very samll group. and the origin of the jews is the kurds.
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
i am not talking about the other arab .. i am talking about the sons' of Ishmael...
mewoone 2 years ago
ishmael basically sent to egypt
this is just a myth, he's not the father of the arabs.
check this our.
regards
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
no ,,, he sent to Makka... and i know my history and by the way the tribe which belong to prophet Muhammad have the same Genetic marker with Cohen... bye//
mewoone 2 years ago
his mother was Egyptian...and his wife from an arab araba tribe Jharm
mewoone 2 years ago
i heared the quraysh tribe was jewish tribe.
is it true?
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
I don't think so, quraysh consider to be Nobel Arabic tribes and it has many tribes such as Al hasmey (belong to Prophets Muhammad) they consider more like sons' of Ishmael. If you want to know the Israelite tribes, they were in the Madina. Two of them were Israelite Bano Nader and mmm i don't remember which one (Qretha or Qenoqa) and one was Arab who became Jewish (Qretha or Qenoqa)...
mewoone 2 years ago
yes yahoodi it is true .
Metouka2009 2 years ago
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Metouka2009 2 years ago
Muhammad and his cohort massacred 600-900 Jewish men and boys of the Banu Qurayza tribe (Ibn Ishaq 464; Abu Dawud Sulaiman bin Al-Aash'ath Al-Azdi as Sijistani, Sunan abu Dawud, Ahamd Hasan Translator, Kitab Bhavan, 1990. Book 38, no. 4390) and making the women and children as slaves (Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 443.)
Metouka2009 2 years ago
It was a war betwwen two armies, not a massacre, not like tsahal with gaza ;)
Arabsys 2 years ago
didn't hamas army claim a devine victory in Gaza or that was an imaginery army who bombed 20% of Israel with missiles ?
Greyshark09 2 years ago
yes and the head of that army is a prophet send by god killing the infidels did u hear last night the news or u see only el jazira how hamas killing el queida people in gaza shooting them like animals;;))
Metouka2009 2 years ago
This war was started when Muhammad ordered all Muslims to fight disbelievers until you convert them or subjugate them to dhimmis (second-class status where they're forbidden to preach their religion carry religious relics under penalty of beheading), if they refuse it warrant their deaths.
Metouka2009 2 years ago
J1CMH (cohen marker) is found in Jews, Kurds, Palestinians, Samaritans and many Iraqis. It is rarely found across arabian peninsula or in the gulf, and thought to originate withing northern Mesopotamia - Kurds/Jews/Iraqis(Babylonian mix with arabs). Palestinian J1CMH probably comes from the jews.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
the genetic study doesn't agree with you until now the high J1 found in Arabian peninsula
mewoone 2 years ago
J1 is a group of markers some of which are arabian and some are Mesopotamian (like J1CMH).
J1 group has highest numbers in Yemen and Badawi tribes of Israel and Sinai.
J1CMH or J2CMH (cohen markers) almost not found in Arabian peninsula.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
you are talking about more details and i am just talking about J1
mewoone 2 years ago
J1 group contains J1CMH and many other markers. J1CMH(cohen marker) not found on arabian plate.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
oh, I understand what you mean, I don't mean that Prophet Muhammad share the exact same genetic with Cohen . but I said they share the same line which is J1 and without the details. As well as the Ismeali Tribes.. the exact line will be more found in the Jewish Maddina tribes.
mewoone 2 years ago
ishmael has nothing to do with mohamed.
Metouka2009 2 years ago
Prophet Muhammad consider to be from Ishaeml
mewoone 2 years ago
ishmael was 2.700 years before mohamed was born .
Metouka2009 2 years ago
Mmm, you seemed didn't understand my meaning Prophet Muhammad as well as the Ishmaelite tribes such as Hashmy came from Ishmael (they are his great great great (descended )grandsons^_^) we Arab consider the father not the mother
mewoone 2 years ago
I did understand very well;;))
Metouka2009 2 years ago
most of the arabs calling themselves palestinians are simply arabs from egypt that came with ibrahim pasha, or from other parts of Arabia. those that were really jews are welcome to convert back. this is the land of the jews.
delpiero47 2 years ago
genetic doesn't say that...
mewoone 2 years ago
many of them yes, but those people live mostly in israeli shore, like in jaffa, akka, haifa and the closest villages, you can see that their skin is darkest then the skin of the palestinians of the west bank. west bank palestinians are kurds, some are real arabs from the penisula, some are the descent of the roman army, and some are hebrews.
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
We are all related in the eyes of Elohim :)
JezebelDecibel 2 years ago
Arabic = the newset Semitic language which was built in the 5th-6th century over Hebrew, Aramaic and Syriac languages.
Arabia = the only real Arab nation with the only genetically Arab people.
Mesow2 2 years ago 2
correction - modern arabic (with writing) was created in 5th century by Nabatu arabs from early arabic and Aramaic and Hebrew. Yet early arabic (without writing) was developed since 4 century BC from aramaic and isolate non-semitic arabian tongue.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
as Greshark said you are talking about the modren arabic....
mewoone 2 years ago
Jews = Real ancient people.
Hebrew = a real ancient language since before Jesus Christ.
Israel = a real ancient nation that was mentioned and involved in all the world's history.
Arabs = a very small ethnic group from Saudi Arabia,
Fake Arabs= people who spoke different languages and were conquered by Arabs and now they think they are Arabs.
Mesow2 2 years ago
Arab today consider to have the most high Semitic genetic marker than Jewish because as Jewish believe you can become Jewish if your mother is Jewish , Arab believe you can become Arab if your father is Arab. so the J marker are high in Arab
mewoone 2 years ago
i want 2 ask..th palstinian jws ? why are they undrcover ? why dont they just announce that they are jwes? um sure the palestinians will accpt them since thy are palestinians as well..i wish i could speak to a palestinian jew :D
amyragheb 2 years ago
from the same reason they have become muslim and "arab like" - fear of their neighbours. Nothing changed since they are under Palestinian authority, any attempt of turning back to judaism would erupt into intifada, and they would loose everything.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
correct m if um wrong..but as far as i know whn the ottoman ruled ther wasnt any racism or tension betwen muslims, christians and jews. not only in palestine but through out the middle east. maybe they should have tried to announce their identity back then..but i really do wish for them to be open about it and talk about their history and why, how they convertd.
amyragheb 2 years ago
you are wrong, arabs rioted against christians, jews and others (druze, yezidi) all times. Ottomans treated jews well, but their rule was badly coordinated, thus riots rocked middle eastern cities every once and a while.
check in wikipedia: "conversion of jews to islam" and "history of jews under muslim rule".
riots broke out occasionally mainly initiated by ethnic arabs, and rarely supressed by rulers.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
on what planet are you living lol ???
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
That guy did look like a jew. He looks like some of my extended family. The nose, the smile. Everything.
hoodmilk 2 years ago
Interressant. I'm arab from North Africa, and a relative found that we have a common ancestor from europe. But it was centuries ago ... its difficult to really know.
MounaConnectee 2 years ago
north african people are not arabs by origin, although they speak arabic.
your roots are not in europe but in africa and the berbers.
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
They are arabs in the cultural sense. Not genetically. In Portugal, where i live a lot of people also have the false impression that the moors were arabians, while most fo them were in fact berbers from North Africa who converted to Islamism.
Shibuki 2 years ago
If i will move to the usa, and will speak english, this will make me english man??
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
It will make you an english citizen of jewish origins.
Shibuki 2 years ago
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Greyshark09 2 years ago
אחי עזוב עכשיו גנטיקה, העיקר שאנשים רואים את הסרט, מספיק שרואים שחלק מהם מודים שהם יהודים , זה מספיק
שבת שלום
Yahoodi1 2 years ago
סליחה אהרון,
פשוט עיצבן אותי שבא מישו חסר השכלה שקרא כמה דברים פה ושם, ומנסה להתווכח עם מסקנות המחקר של פרופסור אופנהיים, בייחוד שזה מחקר אחד מתוך רבים מאוד, עם מסקנות מאוד דומות.
אני באמת צריך להפסיק להגיב על כל דבר, לא חסר חסרי השכלה במיוחד ביוטיוב. צריך לשלים עם זה.
שבת שלום
Greyshark09 2 years ago 2
«Shibuki have you never seen middle easterns ?»
I have middle eastern origins just in case you don't know. I come from a sephardi background and my Y-DNA test revealed i belong haplogorup J2 (typical in Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Northern Syria and also in Northern Iraq).
And yes i know people from the Middle East, but most ashkenazi jews don't look like them (except in the case of turks and armenians). It's not just eye color that matters but also the nose size and skin color.
Shibuki 2 years ago
I'm sorry to tell you but jews are southern Caucasian population (northern mesopotamia), so this is why jews do not look like arabs. No original population of the middle east look like pure arabs, who invaded the middle east from south and mixed with locals. Yet many populations remained untouched. Armenians and Anatolians are exactly the population which were little influenced by invasion genetically, while Syrians, Egyptians, Palis were a result of large influx from southern arabia.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
If that was the case then we would have to believe that all midde eastern males were killed and replaced by arabs which clealrys is not the case. You contradict yourself here. J1 already existed in other Middle Eastern areas indeed and therefore you can't claim that palestinains are mostly J1 because they descent from original arabs and the same goes for the lebanese, syrians and iraqis. The have J1 because their ancestors, the canaanites already had J1! I think this is quite obvious
Shibuki 2 years ago
There are many different types of J1. If 2 people have J1 it means they have a common ancestor ~15K years ago, it doesn't mean they are same tribe, because J1 dispersed across middle eat and southern europe in early neolithic migrations.
Most J1's of Palestinians is identical to J1 in Yemen and Arabia. Galilean arabs are for example identical with J1 subhaplotype near Sanaa in Yemen. Yet some of J1, J2, E, G in west bank arabs' is clearly present in jewish, especially ashkenazi populations.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
«There are many different types of J1. If 2 people have J1 it means they have a common ancestor ~15K years ago, it doesn't mean they are same tribe, because J1 dispersed across middle eat and southern europe in early neolithic migrations.»
Exactly. I didn't say otherwise. On the contrary. The fact that most palestinians have J1 doesn't mean they descent from the arabs who invaded Israel. Instead they're much more connected to the ancient hebrews and canaanites.
Shibuki 2 years ago
Never mind, i'm tired to explain.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
The same applies to the lebanese and to the syrians. What happened is that, despite the genetic similarity between these people and the arabs, in times, they had a different culture from the arabs, but as arab occupation took place they were lead to embrace its culture and religion and therefore, losing track of their canaanite, hebrew, phoenician and assyrian roots.
Shibuki 2 years ago
Phoenicians (maronites), assyrians, alawits, chaldeans, jews and many others did not disappear or change faith. They still exist in the middle east, and have communities abroad. If you are not familiar with them doesn't mean they became arabs ! It just means you do not know much of the peoples of the middle east - arabs are hardly a majority here. In Israel we have for example a community of 3000 Maronites (cnaanaite - phoenician), and 700 Samaritans. The people are not exinct !!!
Greyshark09 2 years ago
I know there are christians in Lebannon but most of them speak arab not aramaen or hebrew. Second to that, those christians are a minority in that part of the Middle East. And what is the point of saying in Israel there are 3000 maronites when you have more than one million muslims? What language do they all speak In Lebannon and in Syria? Arab!!
Have they preserved the phoenician and assyran culture and religion? No they haven't!! They were all arabised!!
Shibuki 2 years ago
Most of Lebanese christians speak arabic and french, their cultural and religious heritage is in Aramaic.
I too speak basic arabic, which is an offshoot of Hebrew and Aramaic, am i considered arab?
Many nations preserved their culture and ethnicity, yet significant numbers were indeed islamized and intermarried with ethnic arabs (like syrian arabs). Take a look at the syrian president Assad - he is a typical blue eyed indengenous Alawite, who dominate Syria.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
Greyshark09 2 years ago
«Many nations preserved their culture and ethnicity, yet significant numbers were indeed islamized and intermarried with ethnic arabs »
I mostly agree but i don't think there was as much admixture between assyrians and arabians as many think. It just happens that many of them already shared common genes, meaning that most assyrians absorbed arab culture and religion. They were arabized, just like most jews who remained in Israel after arab occupation
Shibuki 2 years ago
Syria and Lebanon (which were part of ancient Israel in the past) are placed in territories where male people carrying J1, J2 and E1b1 haplogroups became mixed. The same could be verified in Southern Israel/Canaan due to the presence of tribes coming from the North (hurrians, hitites, philistines) although the there was a prevalence of haplogroup J1 as there still is today among palestinians (probably due to the influence of other canaanite tribes such as the amorites and the amelekites).
Shibuki 2 years ago
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Shibuki 2 years ago
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«I too speak basic Arabic, which is an offshoot of Hebrew and Aramaic, am i considered arab?»
No, but if Arabic is the main language of your country, then it is reasonable to say that most people in your country are arabs (at least in the cultural sense).
Shibuki 2 years ago
It just happens that Canaan was conquered by the ancient hebrews who became mixed with the local population (the canaanites) and were later subject to invasions by the babylonians, the assyrians, the persians, the greeks, the romans, the egyptians, the arabs and the ottomans whcih lead many to abandon the country. However many of them stayed and were mostly converted to Islam during muslim occupation and lost track of their hebrew origins just like many new christians in Portugal and Spain.
Shibuki 2 years ago
I advise you not to go into argument before you explain to yourself the genetic proximity table (Oppenheim et al 2000), which is shown at 5:46 in this video. It is very similar to researches of Gaderi, Hammer and even of pro-palestinian Martinez Laso. Other researches just show that >50% of Palestinian ancestors are from arabia.
It is senseless to argue on this without education in biology, so please unless you bring a reference to scientific article, do not state things you do not understand.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
I think you're the one who needs to be educated. First, in Northern Mesopotamia and Anatolia and the Caucasus the most predominant haplogroup is J2 not J1. Second, you're failing to understand that what i'm saying is that before the hebrews arrived in Canaan there was already a society living there, whose males were mostly J1. They were later absorbed into the hebrew nation, by adopting their religion and culture and through admixture.
Shibuki 2 years ago
Third, the mizrahi jews have the highest frequency of haplogorup J1, which probably results from the admixture with canaanites and other populations who lived in the nearby regions. In the case of ashkenazi jews, the frequency of haplogroup J1doesn't excede 30%. The same goes for sephardi jews, who are more related in terms of Y-DNA to the kurds, armenians, syrians, lebanese, berbers and romans.
Shibuki 2 years ago
Most Arabs in Israel did not originate from Israel. No doubt some Jews were forced into Islam over time, but it's a fairly small number, and they are not Halachic Jews.
So this video is sensational but meaningless. Also the claim made by one supposed historian that only the upper classes were exiled after the Second Temple is plain wrong.
sultanknish 2 years ago
Lets get this straight: hebrew did not originate in Israle but in Mesopotamia. They were a mixture of tribes living in what is now Georgia, Armenia, Southern Turkey, Syria, Iraq and maybe Western Iran. These tribes then moved on to Canaan where they became mixed with the local population and later on to Egypt, where the same happened. After conquering Canaan they would have to deal with invasions by the assyrians, babylonians (from who they derive), persians, greeks and romans.
Shibuki 2 years ago
During this period of invasions many israelites emirated towards other parts of the globe namely North Africa, Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Balkans, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Iran and Afghanistan where they established prosperous communities and intermixed with the local population. This admixture however, appears to have occured mostly due to intercourse between hebrew males and gentile females.
Shibuki 2 years ago
This idea is reforced by most DNA studies which indicate that while jewish Y-DNA is mostly of Middle Eastern origins, in terms of Mt-DNA, they're more diversified, which means that unlike the religious belief, there more than 4 maternal lineages in the jewish gene pool. This is one of the main reasons why some ashkenazi jews have inherited germanic/slavic physical traits. The other has to do with the fact it only takes a person to have jewish maternal grandmother to be considered a jew.
Shibuki 2 years ago
but it fucks up your logic:
if ones mother must be jewish, then how come mtdna is more diversed than ydna ?
ahskenazi jews show 5-12% of european ydna, which is surprisingly low. there is similarly small additions into sephardic (and north african) jewish gene pools. the largely diversed communities are actually small numbered (indian,lybian,dutch jews), thus making most jews very preserved compared to their origin - the kurds.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
«but it fucks up your logic»
In terms of Y-DNA, jews are more close to Middle Eastern populations, but they're more diverse in terms of Mt-DNA, which is could be explain by admixture between jewish males and european females. They were probably fascinated by those blue eyes blond females lol. That is the reason why many inherited as well european physical traits, the ashkenazi in particular.
Shibuki 2 years ago 2
Shibuki have you never seen middle easterns ?
Many of us have blue eyes, with no connection to Europa. Actually even Ishmaelite arabs have blue eyes. For example 9% of alawits have blue eyes, many Druze, and quite many Iraqis. This argument is coming from lack of knowledge. Go look some pictures.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
«Shibuki have you never seen middle easterns ?»
Yes i have. And it's you lack some knowledge here. You should start looking to genetic studies, as they clearly point out that ashkenazi jews are not that close to palestinains. Surely not more than mizrahi jews.
the truth is sephardi and ashkenazi jews are more related to kurds, lebanese, syrians, turks, northern iraqis, armenians, georgians and maybe western iranians, which makes sense, given that ancient hebrews came from Mesopotamia
Shibuki 2 years ago
Other reasons to be considered are conversions of gentiles in Rome, Greece and Khazaria and more recently by russians and ukrainians who falsified documents in order to migrate towards Israel after WWII. However these phenomenons represent small numbers today, as many romans and greeks were later converted to Christianism, while in Khazaria, only the elites adopted Judaism.
Shibuki 2 years ago
Now, regarding the palestinians, it is important to note that they are the descendants of hebrews and canaanites (who themselves were already culturally and genetically diversified) who remained in the land and were converted to Islam during arab and ottoman occupation.
They remind me of the many portuguese (like me), spanish, italian and south americans who descend from sephardi jews who in turn were forced to convert to Christianism by the Catholic Inquisition.
Shibuki 2 years ago
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Anatiz 2 years ago
They're not newly comers. Most of them are the descendants of ancient canaanites and hebrews. There was though some immigration going on from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Turkey since the Mamluk and Ottoman invasions, but that goes back to 1244 AD. It's numbers however did increase whith the rise of Israel's economy in the early 20th century.
Shibuki 2 years ago
Also don't forget that jews were subject to massacres in Israel, namely in Safed and Jerusalem (in 1660) which forcefully lead many to be converted to Islam in similar fashion as to what occured with the sephardi jews in Portugal, Spain, Italy and South America. Like the new-christians, i think it's time to start talking about the new-muslims, all of which share ancient hebrew blood.
Shibuki 2 years ago
the number of Jews who were forced to convert to Islam are small in the ratio of Arabs as a whole
It simply means that there is a strain of Jewish blood within Arab populations that also had Jewish populations at one time
the same however can be said for much of Europe and portions of Latin America as well. Even parts of Asia.
sultanknish 2 years ago
the Palestinians are Arabs who drifted into the land with the rise of the Greek and Roman Empires, and later with the Islamic invasions
they are neither descendants of Jews, let alone Caananites, who were long gone before they arrived
in the same way that Turks are not descendants of Greeks, Arabs are not descendants of Jews
sultanknish 2 years ago
Actually some Palis are indeed Israelite by origin, and Turks are largely Anatolian. Only 2-5% of Turks DNA comes from far east. Their transition proved to be cultural and linguistic, rather than genetic. Yet, In the case of Palis the numbers of genetic influx are 50-70% or even more.
Greyshark09 2 years ago
You're talking about Y-DNA i presume. Let me add that 25% of the male turks are associated to haplogroup J2 (typical in Northern Mesopotamia), while haplogroup J1 (typical among arabs) makes only 5%. The other 70% are mostly haplogroups E1b1, R1b, I and G.
Regarding the palestinians, genetic studies revealed that haplogroup J1 comprises about 65% of the male population.
As for the jews, it's been detected that around 70% of their males fall into E1b1, J1 and J2 haplogroups.