I was going to watch miles play bitches brew.And your stuff popped up.And i said to my self,here we go again.Another wannabe miles,but wow,once i started listening to you.I got that little numbness i get behind my eyes,when i listen to miles play it.I owned a shop in a mall.And would play bithes brew sessions alot,all day long on repeat.The whole half of the mall heard it.Bitches brew for me is a drug.You are good,your music breath's with a life all its own.And so did the king himself,miles.
wow that comment about the fender rhodes standing the test of time?,, who else read this one? whoever wrote it is a close minded idiot afraid of change what r u saying no music played on modern instruments is valid? u r ignorant and probably really proud of your technicial skills but u have no creativity or originality which is something much more precious
On the one hand, the frequency of Bob's defensive posts are annoying; on the other, his apparent reverence for this challenging music comes through (well, other than that
Victor somehow felt that your accompaniment for several minutes in closeup was particularly worthy), and in that it may help to popularize an album that is perhaps in danger of not being remembered after boomerdom, I support this post. For Miles' sake.
FROM AN INTERVIEW WITH DAVE HOLLAND (Bassist on Bitches Brew) What do you make of Panthalassa, Bill Laswell's interpretation of Miles' electric music that you were originally involved in?
"On one hand, I think if it wasn't the way Miles wanted, we should leave it alone. On the other, in terms of creativity, I think one has to be open to these possibilities. I don't want to sound like a purist, but it's a little like coloring the black and white pictures. It's not the way the director saw it
Dave Holland on 'panthalassa' Continued.... "It's not the way the director saw it at the time. Had he shot it in color, would he have done it that way? Maybe he wouldn't. Had Miles had the technology that Bill Laswell is using, would he have done it like that? Does Bill Laswell have the right to do it? I can't answer these questions. I just know that if I listen to the thing, I would rather hear it come direct from the creator, which in this case is Miles.
I just know that if I listen to the thing, I would rather hear it come direct from the creator, which in this case is Miles. I much prefer the black and white versions to the color versions. You can make your statement at the cash register. You can either buy it or not. I'm going to buy the Miles Davis version. The one he heard. The one he approved.
Who cares what DH thinks, Bill Laswell's work on Phanthalassa is commendable, it really sounds awesome cranked on a huge system, he just went in there and pulled certain details out, he brought a contemporary sensibility to the mix, sounds great to me. With this project he also introduced an audience of younger listeners to Miles work, which can only be a good thing.
this is appauling. Pathetic that you would plunder Miles davis's music like this. A 'cover' of improvised music is ridiculous. Come up with your own ideas. The turntables are completely out of place. LEAVE IT ALONE
And,Pharoah's Dance is a composition with improvisation. I worked with Zawinul for 17 years. I have the lead sheet on Pharoah's Dance. Its a composition. Not improvisation. In fact, all of the music on Bitches Brew is composed but Teo and Miles edited out much of the melodic structure as the musicians are not the best sight readers. Pharoahs Dance is very complicated. Please be less autocratic in your demands of other musicians. One day you will understand if you decide to enter the real world
No "demand", just advice. But the improv is where the MAGIC is on those tunes, Creating raw sonic energy from the combined souls present at the recording, and Miles appears to 'Capture their soul'. THAT'S what makes that record. When the band is playing by the seat of their pants, creating out of thin air, we glimpse their SOUL/SPIRIT/ESSENCE. Was it edited by Miles because "the musicians are not the best sight readers"? Or was it edited that way Because that was what Miles wanted on his album?
Sorry, the context of the statement was in relation to comment1. Yep, you did a gig, so you are here? I just wonder about attempts to recontextualize classic work. It seems a little cheap to just throw in a turntablist and some generic DnB grooves. Why try to create a contemporary context for what is essentially timeless music, thats what's beautiful about Bitches Brew, it exist outside of time and space whereas to me this version just seems contrived in it's efforts to sound
the gig was part of a serie to 'cover' classic jazz albums. Since I produced over 100 MILES DAVIS CD's and Box sets, including the "Complete Bitches Brew" I felt that maybe I could have some fun playing the music that I had studied for many years. And DJ Logic has been working with me for years, including the last Weather Report Box Set. WE ARE JUST HAVING FUN AND NOT TRYING TO MAKE A POINT...very AMERICAN!!!!!
did you? cool, I really had no idea, I'm just an innocent bystander, don't misunderstand me, I know you guys were just having fun, that's cool, unfortunately I idolise Miles, so I'm a little precious about his legacy, I'm sure you can appreciate this, Bitches Brew is a special record, I don't view it as I might a jazz standard, I just never associated the word 'fun' with this aesthetic, particularly in the context of the socio-political reality of the time. No offence intended.
you must be a college student digimaton....you think like one....very severe in how you want to limit others when, if you had something to show in real terms, you would show it. "a little cheap" is very subjective, in such a way that one wonders just what YOU would do....
dude, don't worry, I'm doing it, just not in your sphere, I've seen this type of gig done more amorously, that's all. Problem with contemporary society and all the post-modern BS that comes with it is people wont take critique any more, it's considered anathema, and somehow anti-art, like they are somehow above it, I think that's BS, when we should do what we do to learn - and maybe improve what we do - as artists.
I love what you and Tim did with Bitches Brew. The truth is that the jazz-rock fusion era took the lite-jazz fork in the road many years ago and it's been only recently that many have looked at the essence of that music (as I heard it, anyway) and expanded on it within as true jazz musicians would.
Its all about experimentation. You need to experiment to find new music and you also need a leader who is open minded and critical. There aren't enough musicians in this group to support the soloists.
The original recording of Pharoah's Dance was recorded with a Fender Rhodes piano, not exactly and instrument that stands the tests of time. Do you think Beethoven had a Rhodes in mind when writing Fur Elise? Probably not.
I think you'll find, if you do your homework, that the Rhodes if considered a legendary electronic instrument. It is capable of producing many unique timbres (especially with the add-on effect units).In recent times it has been rediscovered by a younger generation, and has also resurrected by a number of the it's original exponents, and not without good reason. Beethoven?? who cares what he had in mind, the comparison is meaningless in this context.
Tim sounds great.
cporgie 2 months ago
love it
sauronhall 9 months ago
Tim Hagans is new to me. Such an amazin music. Jazz'n'bass!
sauronhall 9 months ago
awwwww shit they went all drum and bass on that bitch. i like it.
unclejunglebass 1 year ago
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matthewaunger 2 years ago
The bassist is the son of the late great Jimmy Garrison
Thekouder1 3 years ago
Yes, Matt Garrison. He's played quite a bit in the Scott Kinsey Group in recent years, in addition to working with many others.
aarfeld 2 years ago
thank you, from spain, i'm floating (cause this great music)
lecarreso 3 years ago
Hey Bob, I wish I was in your band. I'd play the Reggie Lucas/Pete Cosey/McL. part.
Are you the trumpet player ? Not bad, eventhough a little to fast and technically too good to emulate Miles but still a great job
dockaiser 3 years ago
Ts,ts, ts, ...You should know him ... as a sax player, and as producer of, for example, all those great Miles boxes of the last 10 years ...
Bonedalas 2 years ago
what album does this come from?
nnuS13 3 years ago
bitches brew
boogster123321 3 years ago
I was going to watch miles play bitches brew.And your stuff popped up.And i said to my self,here we go again.Another wannabe miles,but wow,once i started listening to you.I got that little numbness i get behind my eyes,when i listen to miles play it.I owned a shop in a mall.And would play bithes brew sessions alot,all day long on repeat.The whole half of the mall heard it.Bitches brew for me is a drug.You are good,your music breath's with a life all its own.And so did the king himself,miles.
farwithin 3 years ago
wow that comment about the fender rhodes standing the test of time?,, who else read this one? whoever wrote it is a close minded idiot afraid of change what r u saying no music played on modern instruments is valid? u r ignorant and probably really proud of your technicial skills but u have no creativity or originality which is something much more precious
joncoltrain 3 years ago
On the one hand, the frequency of Bob's defensive posts are annoying; on the other, his apparent reverence for this challenging music comes through (well, other than that
Victor somehow felt that your accompaniment for several minutes in closeup was particularly worthy), and in that it may help to popularize an album that is perhaps in danger of not being remembered after boomerdom, I support this post. For Miles' sake.
Bitterblogger 3 years ago
"frequency of Bob's defensive posts are annoying"....i guess so...but we all must go beyond this...
Bobbelden 3 years ago
FROM AN INTERVIEW WITH DAVE HOLLAND (Bassist on Bitches Brew) What do you make of Panthalassa, Bill Laswell's interpretation of Miles' electric music that you were originally involved in?
"On one hand, I think if it wasn't the way Miles wanted, we should leave it alone. On the other, in terms of creativity, I think one has to be open to these possibilities. I don't want to sound like a purist, but it's a little like coloring the black and white pictures. It's not the way the director saw it
RIDDIMWORKS 3 years ago
Dave Holland on 'panthalassa' Continued.... "It's not the way the director saw it at the time. Had he shot it in color, would he have done it that way? Maybe he wouldn't. Had Miles had the technology that Bill Laswell is using, would he have done it like that? Does Bill Laswell have the right to do it? I can't answer these questions. I just know that if I listen to the thing, I would rather hear it come direct from the creator, which in this case is Miles.
RIDDIMWORKS 3 years ago
Dave Holland on 'panthalassa' Continued....
I just know that if I listen to the thing, I would rather hear it come direct from the creator, which in this case is Miles. I much prefer the black and white versions to the color versions. You can make your statement at the cash register. You can either buy it or not. I'm going to buy the Miles Davis version. The one he heard. The one he approved.
RIDDIMWORKS 3 years ago
Who cares what DH thinks, Bill Laswell's work on Phanthalassa is commendable, it really sounds awesome cranked on a huge system, he just went in there and pulled certain details out, he brought a contemporary sensibility to the mix, sounds great to me. With this project he also introduced an audience of younger listeners to Miles work, which can only be a good thing.
digimaton 3 years ago
"Sometimes A Cigar Is Just A Cigar"
Bobbelden 3 years ago
who the guy is bobbelden?it seems to hnow so much about music
SOLARIOUM 3 years ago
this is appauling. Pathetic that you would plunder Miles davis's music like this. A 'cover' of improvised music is ridiculous. Come up with your own ideas. The turntables are completely out of place. LEAVE IT ALONE
RIDDIMWORKS 3 years ago
Thanks for the comment Mr. Bin Laden.
Bobbelden 3 years ago
And,Pharoah's Dance is a composition with improvisation. I worked with Zawinul for 17 years. I have the lead sheet on Pharoah's Dance. Its a composition. Not improvisation. In fact, all of the music on Bitches Brew is composed but Teo and Miles edited out much of the melodic structure as the musicians are not the best sight readers. Pharoahs Dance is very complicated. Please be less autocratic in your demands of other musicians. One day you will understand if you decide to enter the real world
Bobbelden 3 years ago
No "demand", just advice. But the improv is where the MAGIC is on those tunes, Creating raw sonic energy from the combined souls present at the recording, and Miles appears to 'Capture their soul'. THAT'S what makes that record. When the band is playing by the seat of their pants, creating out of thin air, we glimpse their SOUL/SPIRIT/ESSENCE. Was it edited by Miles because "the musicians are not the best sight readers"? Or was it edited that way Because that was what Miles wanted on his album?
RIDDIMWORKS 3 years ago
Sorry, the context of the statement was in relation to comment1. Yep, you did a gig, so you are here? I just wonder about attempts to recontextualize classic work. It seems a little cheap to just throw in a turntablist and some generic DnB grooves. Why try to create a contemporary context for what is essentially timeless music, thats what's beautiful about Bitches Brew, it exist outside of time and space whereas to me this version just seems contrived in it's efforts to sound
now.
digimaton 4 years ago
the gig was part of a serie to 'cover' classic jazz albums. Since I produced over 100 MILES DAVIS CD's and Box sets, including the "Complete Bitches Brew" I felt that maybe I could have some fun playing the music that I had studied for many years. And DJ Logic has been working with me for years, including the last Weather Report Box Set. WE ARE JUST HAVING FUN AND NOT TRYING TO MAKE A POINT...very AMERICAN!!!!!
Bobbelden 4 years ago
did you? cool, I really had no idea, I'm just an innocent bystander, don't misunderstand me, I know you guys were just having fun, that's cool, unfortunately I idolise Miles, so I'm a little precious about his legacy, I'm sure you can appreciate this, Bitches Brew is a special record, I don't view it as I might a jazz standard, I just never associated the word 'fun' with this aesthetic, particularly in the context of the socio-political reality of the time. No offence intended.
digimaton 4 years ago
you must be a college student digimaton....you think like one....very severe in how you want to limit others when, if you had something to show in real terms, you would show it. "a little cheap" is very subjective, in such a way that one wonders just what YOU would do....
Bobbelden 4 years ago
dude, don't worry, I'm doing it, just not in your sphere, I've seen this type of gig done more amorously, that's all. Problem with contemporary society and all the post-modern BS that comes with it is people wont take critique any more, it's considered anathema, and somehow anti-art, like they are somehow above it, I think that's BS, when we should do what we do to learn - and maybe improve what we do - as artists.
digimaton 4 years ago
I love what you and Tim did with Bitches Brew. The truth is that the jazz-rock fusion era took the lite-jazz fork in the road many years ago and it's been only recently that many have looked at the essence of that music (as I heard it, anyway) and expanded on it within as true jazz musicians would.
Zappatero 4 years ago
Its all about experimentation. You need to experiment to find new music and you also need a leader who is open minded and critical. There aren't enough musicians in this group to support the soloists.
cometogetherforever 4 years ago
The original recording of Pharoah's Dance was recorded with a Fender Rhodes piano, not exactly and instrument that stands the tests of time. Do you think Beethoven had a Rhodes in mind when writing Fur Elise? Probably not.
iwishiwasdizzy 3 years ago
...In response to digimaton's comment a while back.
iwishiwasdizzy 3 years ago
I think you'll find, if you do your homework, that the Rhodes if considered a legendary electronic instrument. It is capable of producing many unique timbres (especially with the add-on effect units).In recent times it has been rediscovered by a younger generation, and has also resurrected by a number of the it's original exponents, and not without good reason. Beethoven?? who cares what he had in mind, the comparison is meaningless in this context.
digimaton 3 years ago 3
What do you mean? A Rhodes is timeless. O.K, the eighties turned it down, but that's the worst decade of music anyway
dockaiser 3 years ago 3
The words 'great' and 'version' are not two words I would use in the same sentence here.
It's certainly a 'version', but that's about it.
I suppose you could say I have an aversion to this version ; )
digimaton 4 years ago
I'm glad you can tell the difference between great and version. up until now I thought we just did a gig.....
Bobbelden 4 years ago
Amazing music. i love this kind of stuff.
jazzcombo251 5 years ago
Thanks! Great version of that tune (big Garrison fan here)
bryanrtyler 5 years ago
Matt Garrison = Unreal!!!!! Have you seen the Herbie Hancock future2future DVD? Herbie w/ Matt, Terri Lynne, Darryl Diaz, Wallace Roney, and DJ Disk.
Pinthusiast 4 years ago
Yup- it's what got me to switch to using four fingers on my plucking hand (that one passage during Dolphin Dance is nuts).
bryanrtyler 4 years ago