NeoCon Elliott Abrams doesn't respect the Constitution

[MACKATTACK1970]

elliot abrams IS A DOUCHE BAG, BUSH APOLOGIST AND CFR MEMBER.

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elliot abrams is a zionist and a piece of shit. Keep writing your propaganda in the Washington Post elliot, not one cares about you, you are insignificant and your hero g.w. bush will be judged by history is a corrupt piece of shit with garbage for supporters like you.

[lawforever]

Elliot Abrams should be charged with murder. He is the cause of genocide in Guatemala. See this video title on Youtube: An American Genocide - Guatemala. This guy is pure evil.

[ulasaskin]

whats up guys? whether democrat or republican same shit, puppet master is the same, they have to follow an agenda which was written by some secret members of whatever some time ago. They are free to fuck up anything they want to make sure the work is done. Wake up America.

[syedwahhaj]

needs to be heard

[JohananRaatz]

Alright let's face it guys. If there weren't people like us running foreign policy everything would go to hell in a handbasket and you know it.

[DutchssMaria]

Uhh, it is already to hell with us running it.......

[JohananRaatz]

Well yes foreign policy is notoriously tricky to run properly, but I would prefer the third circle of hell to the eighth.

Look at for example how Reagan handled South America compared to how Obama is currently handling it. Obama is sucking up to Marxist regimes encouraging them to proliferate even more than they are. Reagan on the other hand was able to keep this problem under control. Sure the Contras and Pinochet may not have been nice, but hey they at least sort of managed the situation.

[MikaelSOAD]

Reagan managed to get USA convicted of State terrorism, how is that a good thing?

Not to mention the people that died you fucking douchebag.

[JohananRaatz]

Reagan convicted of state terrorism? Really? LOL By WHOM? Reagan was a great man. How dare you impugn his name?

As for the people who died they were communist terrorists who were trying to subvert legitimate governments in South America.

"you fucking douchebag."

I know you like to throw insults and stamp your feet whenever you don't have an argument but it's really rather childish.

[RPenta]

@JohananRaatz

Right the tens of thousands of people killed in the wars in Central and South America by brutal dictators were all communist terrorists; including the four Americans nuns , Archbishop Oscar Romero, and the Jesuit martyrs in El Salvador, just to pick one country.

You are not only an douchebag but an asshole as well.

[JohananRaatz]

@RPenta Yeah if you were really concerned with lives you would realize that the Kirkpatrick doctrine makes a lot of sense. These situations are far from perfect, but I am willing to bet that people of Castro's ilk killed FAR FAR more nuns than people like Pinochet or the Contras ever did.

The rule of thumb when you are given a choice between an authoritarian government and a totalitarian one is to pick the authoritarian one. There will be far fewer deaths and far less upheaval.

[RPenta]

@JohananRaatz

Bullshit--that is simply not true and shows you don't know jack about what happened. the Kirkpatrick doctrine is just a neo-con talking point; by the way is Saudi Arabia an authoritarian or dictatorial regime? And look what our good friend the democratic Israel does to the Palestinians and Lebanese.

[JohananRaatz]

@RPenta Yeah well perhaps there is some truth to that talking point. Tell me when you look at history how bad are generic authoritarian regimes compared to communist totalitarian ones? At least you are allowed to leave authoritarian regimes if you don't like it. Saudi Arabia would probably be closer to totalitarian, but the unfortunate truth is we don't have much leeway to do stuff there.

[RPenta]

@JohananRaatz

Well, if I am disappeared in Chile by Pinochet or disappeared in Iraq by Saddam Hussein or disappeared in Indonesia by Suharto or disappeared in Egypt by Mubarak, or disappeared in Haiti by Poppa Doc Duvalier--I am still just as disappeared, dead or torture--thank God the US never supported such people--sorry, I was temporarily possessed by the mind of Ari Fleisher--we sure as hell did.

[JohananRaatz]

@RPenta You do understand of course that most of the people that were disappeared in this countries were communist fucks who would have otherwise have turned the country into an even worse dictatorship right?

Pinochet in Chile would be an excellent example of this. Had he not intervened (as bad as it was at the time), Chile would be like Cuba today. Instead it is a free society today.

Please try to comprehend the big picture before you spout off about things.

[RPenta]

@JohananRaatz

Well being a consistent Christian and believer in human rights I think that even Fascist Fucks like you deserve due process--by the way, douchebag, I don't understand that because it isn't true.

[JohananRaatz]

@RPenta As for Israel and the Palestineans and Lebanese Israel does overreact at times which is bad, but frankly I'd feel a lot more sorry for them if they wouldn't keep supporting terrorists like they do. The Palestineans elected Hamas to run it's country! HAMAS! So no, I am sorry, but fuck'em. When they do things like that they get exactly what they deserve.

[JohananRaatz]

@RPenta As for Lebanon the massive bombing campaigns are shown to work. It creates massive local pressure against any Hezbollah antics in the future. The regions that support Hezbollah don't want to be bombed again and so whenever Hezbollah starts up with it's crap they apply enormous pressure not to. The kids still get taught to hate Israel and how to do suicide bombings on their version of Sesame Street but no one dares do anything for fear of massive retaliation. So bottom line is it works.

[chillende]

To anyone looking to reply with logic to JohananRaatz, by all means take a look at some of his favorites and you'll think twice. One rather simple minded man, in my opinion.

[chillende]

"Being poor is not an excuse to steal our stuff like Chavez has recently done to Exxon-Mobil."

Our stuff?

Chavez can't really steal his own countries resources, can he? Not from a foreign based multinational?!

Seriously, if you're so up in arms about 'our' corps being robbed, where do your sympathies lay with respect to Iraqi/Iraqis?

BTW:

One of your favs: Sing for Change - Fuhrer Obama Hitler Youth Nazi

There were others but this one stood out.

You seem to be just a tad bigoted, sir.

[JohananRaatz]

"One of your favs: Sing for Change - Fuhrer Obama Hitler Youth Nazi"

"There were others but this one stood out."

"You seem to be just a tad bigoted, sir."

So because I don't like Obama and think the tactics used by some to indoctrinate kids to support Obama are creepy I'm bigoted? I favorited that video to post it later on a facebook group. You don't find the kids doing that creepy? I mean it's a little like Jesus Camp only on the left rather than the right.

[JohananRaatz]

"Chavez can't really steal his own countries resources, can he? Not from a foreign based multinational?!"

Well who owned the property rights to it? It wasn't Chavez. Just because I have property in another country doesn't mean the local tinhat dictator gets to rightfully take it.

"where do your sympathies lay with respect to Iraqi/Iraqis?"

My views on Iraq are very complex but suffice it to say I think the situation has become royally screwed up.

[sumitino]

why is this comment being ranked down?

[JimmySmers]

Abrams is an Israeli agent.

[JohananRaatz]

We need people like Eliot Abrams because the liberal congress of the 80's wasn't man enough to squash the Sandinista's. It's like the movie Clear and Present Danger only I think the CIA was the good guys. Smash the fuckers. Don't let the liberals in congress get in the way. Give them bullshit to feed on if you need to.

[HugeJohn51]

You mean the liberal congress wasn't man enough to conduct a terrorist war? You get your ideas from a movie? It is retarded people like you that are ruining the US...but have fun doing it you nazi bastard.

[JohananRaatz]

"You get your ideas from a movie?"

Except that scenario plays out dozens of times in the real world. That's why we constantly have to put down marxist revolutions in South America.

[HugeJohn51]

and by marxist revolutions, I assume you mean popular revolutions, against american imperialism which impoverishes the vast majority of these countries...how dare they stand up for themselves! I guess to protect american 'interests' (business) you have to kill a more than a few peasants hey? (hey that's fascism isn't it?...yes it is!)

[JohananRaatz]

"popular revolutions, against american imperialism"

You apparently don't know history well because we have never attempted to capture south america through imperial conquest. which impoverishes the vast majority of these countries...

Being poor is not an excuse to steal our stuff like Chavez has recently done to Exxon-Mobil.

[JohananRaatz]

"I guess to protect american 'interests' (business) you have to kill a more than a few peasants hey?"

If a thief is taking your stuff you shoot him. Same goes for a marxist. If a democracy elects that marxist then it is no longer able to protect people's (property) rights and must be overthrown.

"(hey that's fascism isn't it?...yes it is!)"

Said by the guy supporting communism. BTW communism is much worse than fascism.

[badattitude77769]

Elliot Abrahams is one of the iran contra appointees in washington d.c. All of them are guilty from all that I have read.

[JohananRaatz]

"Elliot Abrahams is one of the iran contra appointees in washington d.c. All of them are guilty from all that I have read."

Yes but what you are forgetting is that the only reason the Iran-Contra scandal was necessary was because the moron leftists in congress refused to allow for the funding of the Contras openly.

[HugeJohn51]

Dude- funding the Contras means murdering civilians. Do you think that goes along with the Constitution? Why don't you grab a M-16 and go shoot some peasants whose crime was electing a government that the US didn't like? Sounds like you would like that.

[JohananRaatz]

"Dude- funding the Contras means murdering civilians."

Not funding the Contras means letting the Sandinistas take over and murder a lot MORE people. Choose your poison.

[chillende]

Well, yeah... but why would/should they be able to openly fund assassins and mercenaries?

[JohananRaatz]

You mean freedom fighters?

[HugeJohn51]

Riiight- say what you want, right wing corporate sponsored american backed death squads are freedom fighters, just like in Argentina right? or Honduras? Or Grenada? Not everyone believes the US propaganda Mr. Raatz, luckily, the world is slowly waking up to US atrocities. I love your logic too, suggesting (just like Iraq) that it would be way worse killing if we weren't here doing the killing, without any evidence of course.

[JohananRaatz]

"just like in Argentina right? or Honduras? Or Grenada?"

You apparently forgot to mention that they were overturning incipient communists regimes in those states.

"without any evidence of course."

There was plenty of evidence they were going communist. And if you are aware of familiar with the Kirkpatrick doctrine you'd realize that soft authoritarian governments are by far preferable to communist totalitarian ones.

[JohananRaatz]

If you have communist regimes parasitizing off of the private property of American corporations it will mean a worse economy at home. If you want to live in a worse economy just move over to some developing country. Don't make America's economy worse though by supporting Marxist cleptocracies that loot the private property of Americans.

[chillende]

No. Why, did you?

[JohananRaatz]

Why did I what?

[emilyek1]

k334:

They are Liberal when it comes to telling the American people they are racist Neanderthals if they don't accept their culture-destroying policies.

They are plenty Conservative when it comes to making money, being religiously fundamentalist,

and killing non-Jews.

[k3304]

AMERICAN JEWS ARE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS !!!

Al Franken, Steven Speilberg, Barbara Streisandt, David Geffen, Jann Wenner, Ed Rendell, George Soros, Bill Maher, David Letterman, Jon Stewert, Randi Rhoades, Chuck Shumer, Wolf Blitzer, Sandy Berger, Dianne Feinstein, Woody Allen, Larry David, Rob Reiner, Oliver Stone, Barry Manilow, Russ Feingold, Carl Levin, etc

AMERICAN JEWS ARE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS !!!

[ikekll]

Wolf believed that Jewish support for a Zionist state would expose Jews in western societies to the charge of dual loyalty...Mearsheimer's critique of the Israel lobby, and by the deluded war-fervor of White House neocons like Elliott Abrams, who has written that outside of Israel, Jews "are to stand apart from the nation in which they live." (This guy makes policy!) Walter Lippmann also had this concern (per Ronald Steel's bio)

(Yivo Institute Suppresses a Jewish Hero's Anti-Zionism)

[kripld]

I think Flynt Leverett might me gay.

[bigotryofhistory]

Zionism was created by theodore herzl. Neo-cons are Straussian, Leo Strauss taught at U of Chicago. He taught theories from Hegel and Kant. Keep learning and digging deeper, it's not a race or religion thing at all, it's political.

[JohananRaatz]

@bigotryofhistory Thank you. I've gotten sick and tired of people calling neoconservativism "Zionism" (as if "Zionism" means anything anymore anyway).

I've noticed most people who use the word "Zionist" today use it in a way to describe people who think Israel has a right to exist -in other words most users of it are anti-semitic kooks.

Neoconservativism is all about political philosophy -in particular people like Strauss, and Mansfield.

[aplatt65]

@bigotryofhistory I can not believe you just dragged Kant into this... Hegel fine, but whatever Hegel and others of his ilk, i.e. transcendental idealists, did to distort Kantian ideas has nothing to do with Kant...

[bigotryofhistory]

Judaism and Islam are religions, bringing in distinctions among DNA in small groups of peoples that are all considered 'white' scientifically is really silly. FIVE races and all one species! Religion and RACE are not the problem here, Political nuts are in control in many parts of the world now.

[Kerri2007]

jdred1 aka Islamic propaganda cut & paster of multiple identities, ASHKENAZ means "German" in medieval hebrew you turd. It's the term for Jews who lived in Europe for centuries. Anti Semites of your kind attempt to diminish the Jewish connection to Israel by delegitimizing Jews who lived in Europe since the 8th century, referring to them as "fake Jews", "converts" or "Khazars"..utterly absurd! (btw are converts to Islam not considered real Muslims?) Anyway, have you ever met a Khazar?

[Kerri2007]

Do they look like any Jews you've ever known? Why in the world would the Jews of the 8th century just disappear, to be replaced by Khazars? Ashkenzic Jews all have a Middle Eastern gene as our DNA clearly has shown. Besides that, the Khazars were not "Middle Eastern", they were Mongoloids, unrelated and very different in appearance, language, and culture from Middle Eastern peoples.

[Kerri2007]

Some Palestinian advocates have adopted this thesis quite eagerly, since they believe identifying most Jews as non-Semitic would seriously undermine their historical claims to the land of Israel. The main thesis of The Thirteenth Tribe has since been debunked by genetic testing; while there has been mixing with various European populations by Ashkenazi Jews over the centuries, there remains a clearly identifiable Middle Eastern genetic element in virtually all.

[jdred1]

AshkeNAZI jews need to stop the warmongering. American taxpayers are tired of funding Israel's security. Occupied Palestine is for the indigenous people of Palestine, Jew or Muslim; Russian/Euro/US jews do not belong on that land. They are living on stolen land and should be ashamed. If the holocaust happened, you need petition Germany to have them "make" a "homeland" for you. You got kicked out of Europe by massacre or intimidation, you shouldn't take it out on the Palestinians

[Kerri2007]

"neo-con" refers to Jews that made the switch to conservative politics. They often name names of Jewish people when referring to neo-cons. There isn't much of a positive reason to single out certain people as neo-cons in political discussion. The reason they say neo-con is that they are Jewish and want to single them out for criticism. To put it bluntly, they are bigots against Jewish people.

[andy371a]

9-11-01 Twin Towers bombing was a False Flag attack by USA and Israel to win public support for war, world domination, oil theft & "Patriot" Act. Free movies & keywords: Justice for 9/11, 911 Mysteries, LooseChange, Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism, Alex Jones' Terrorstorm, Money Masters, American Scholars Symposium, David Ray Griffin, Steven Jones, Michael Ruppert, Barrie Zwicker, Charlie Sheen, William Rodriguez, Rosie O'Donnell, Michael Meecher, Andreas von Bülow.

[inachu]

aipac members need to be shot

[WNanette]

Weird - I coulda sworn this was Eric's page... but the voice at the end -disconnected from the jerking visual- doesn't sound like him. hmmm

[USSLIBERTY1]

Fuck NEOCONS!

[denverexec2000]

Abrams is one of the death squad boys from Iran-Contra days. Flynt is a good rabble-rouser right now, making good points and a victim of Bush fraud and initimidation. .

[NOMOREWARFORISRAEL]

See Elliott Abrams by going to NOWARFORISRAEL[dot]com and clicking on the Rachel Corrie memorial in the middle of the page.. Then look to the left margin and scroll down to the see the article about Abrams which is associated with his picture there..

[JohnnyOhio]

good site thanks for the tip...peace...

[representativepress]

see "Former CIA Official Exposes Bush Administration Fraud" under "More from the user"