The United States was founded specifically as a secular nation.
Ever heard of the Church of England? The offical state religion of Great Britian... the reason our founders insisted on the seperation of church and state in the first place... any of this ring a liberty bell for you?
The lies of the religious right will not change history.
Prayer, voodoo, rain dances, snake handling and all other useless religious rituals have no place in our governmental processes.
Cynthia Dunbar is a useless individual... "no great harm can come to this great country..." are you serious? so was your god on vacation on 9/11? stupid woman.
One important US document that not many people are aware of is the Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary. "Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;" The treaty was written in 1796 under George Washington. The US was not founded as a Christian Nation.
This is NOT a Christian nation, period. It is a nation where people of many cultures and religions may live according to their own beliefs. Christians do not DO WHAT THEY WERE COMMANDED. Their Jesus told them not to pray in public, but bray they do. They were told that the commandments given by God would continue to the end of time, but they ignore his commandments. Christianity was the invention of Paul, Jesus didn't teach it. Shepherds don't go out with their flocks in the winter.
and I say it is too true....90% of people falling out of the sky in an airplane believe in god....
face it folks...in these days of free information exchange....organized religion will go the way of disco....either no one will remember a day when people believed, or those that do practice it wear silly clothes....either way....good ridance to something that has caused nothing but pain to this earth....
I think this should scare everyone. Seriously. Not just because what she said was filled with complete inaccuracy and lies, but that these people are in charge of something, that it is Education makes it much worse.
It should scare the world that this is who is in charge of the Education for future Americans.They themselves need to seriously read about their History rather than simply making things up based on how they wished it was.I should not know more about US History than these people.
God doesn't actually exist which makes these people simply deluded or at least they would be simply deluded except they insist on ruining the children with their christian crap which makes them evil at best.
where does the bible say anything about freedom of belief or expression? the first commandment clearly states "you shall have no other gods before me" that doesn't lie freedom to me. sanctity of the home and equal justice under law!?!? christian values my ass. it's clearly stated that a man may sell his daughter into sexual slavery, sleep with as many women as he pleases under wedlock, and may stone a disobedient son to death.
It seems to me everyone's getting upset because Mrs. Dunbar mentioned her overt opinion in her prayers concerning the founding and basis of this nation. However, she was simply quoting the words of a very liberal judge who stated many of those same words in his prayer 50-some years ago. Is it so upsetting that this woman knows her history and is willing to voice it in prayer? It certainly seems a fitting circumstance to say such things.
@papichulo8604 ....wtf are you talking about? i can tell that the education in Texas is fucked due to the response you gave. I am an atheist American you schmuck. holy balls .....i'm not sure if talking you you would do any good. might just confuse you more than you already are since that small brain can only hold so much info before you pass out
She got her law degree from Regent University, which was founded in 1978 by Pat Robertson and originally known as Christian Broadcasting Network University.
How are these people given any credibility by anyone?
There are lots of things I would "like to believe," but that doesn't necessarily make them true. Our founders moved to a new nation to escape religion.
History doesn't lie, but you can't add in your own wishes while studying. Our founders would be disgusted.
Reservation of powers to the people? What about your god? Make up your mind. She's so fucking delusional the rubber room is the only safe place for her. Would somebody please get that mental hygiene warrant ready.
Why are a few fundie nut jobs allowed to dumb down our children in school? It angers me when I see fundie nut jobs claim that this country was founded on "Christian principles"
"We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication ." - Thomas Jefferson
"What have been the fruits of Christianity ? Superstition, bigotry and persecution." — James Madison, 4th president of the U.S.
This video is very disturbing. I cannot believe that State of Texas allows this to happen. Christian land??? Christian principles?? That is crazy!!! This is totally unacceptable. Those people must be idiots or delusional.
If the Bible is all we needed to form America, why did it take 1776 years? I mean, there were a LOT of Bible based nations prior to that. The Roman Empire, England etc. And yet the US is very different from those nations somehow. Something besides the Bible must be necessary. Hmm. What could it have been? Did something happen between the Roman Empire and the US? The Enlightenment perhaps? Liberalism perhaps? Locke anyone? Jefferson?
Additionally, you should never pledge 'alliegience' to the United States. You should look up the history of the term. It is antithetical to a free people.
The proper fealty is due the Constitution, not any govt. operating under (or contrary to) said.
The sword cuts both ways. However, in its proper implementation, it cuts hardest at Praemunire...the insertion of govt. withing govt. to the benefit of papal process, and to the detriment of base liberty.
This is the gambit that has long been in play...ever since our founding. Nothing has really changed since the Council of Trent.
@gamewizard The Establishment Clause and the Seperation Clause. Learn it, love it, or go elsewhere.
Jeffersons letter to the Danbury Baptists, outlining the reasoning and implementation of said. Gamewizard, another ignorant roman thrall from their boiler room here on googles conditioning tube.
This prayer was written by SCOTUS Chief Justice Earl Warren, originally presented at a prayer bkfst in 1954. You know, liberal icon, BROWN VS. BOARD OF ED., Justice Warren.
Speaking of Muslims, if anyone is wanting to establish a theocracy in this country it is them. You're all bitching and whining about the Christians taking over (which is NOT happening BTW) but if there's any group you should be worried about taking over it is the Muslims. Worship Allah or have your head removed your shoulders. Nobody is telling you to worship Jesus or die.
Not at all. Man has had absolute freedom to do whatever they wished from the beginning. If you'd ever bothered to open a Bible you'd know that. God never wanted people to follow him blindly because they had no other choice. He would have just created a race of soulless zombies if that was what he wanted. The very existence of your free will proves that God never demanded that all people follow him. God only demands obedience and reverence from those who have chosen to be his.
There is no separation of church and state. Those words never appear in the Constitution no matter how much you might like them to. Repeating the lie over and over doesn't make it true.
Praying doesn't do anything. It's a waste of tax payers money, to see them do that, is pathetic. The founding fathers wanted a secular society, and many even made comments saying that is how you can ONLY be secular, because you surely can't let every religion have influence. I'm a firm supporter of secularism, and so are my religious friends.
Religious bigots changing history because of 'how they feel' about it, is fucking RETARDED. And, a dentist? :/
“We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that ‘except the Lord build the House, they Labor in vain that build it.’ I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel.” – Benjamin Franklin
Does this sound like man who wanted a secular society?
What does the first amendment have to do with it? You don't even understand the first amendment, I'd bet. The first amendment is to protect religion from government, not government from religion.
@gamewizard You're an american? I find that hard to beleive now. You don't understand the first amendment. As soon as you let a religion start dictating in society, then you have to allow EVERY religion. The first amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion".
Are you REALLY this dense? You probably support this butchering to education, too.
@gamewizard Just because he's giving credit to religion, which we CAN do, even though still wanting a secular society. This does not indicate the conflation you've made it into.
I'll give religion credit too: Religion created some of the best art this world has seen. That doesn't mean that I want my country run by Christians.
What injustices? And don't go into a diatribe about the Crusades and Inquisition and all the other crap that you idiots always bring up. Those are acts of the Catholic church and if you knew anything at all about the Catholic church you would see that they are about as Christian as Shiva.
@gamewizard Yeah, I agree with you. The Catholic church is not the best example of Christianity. I have a lot of cool Christian friends, who agree with me that the church has taken a different path than the bible.
What dishonest education changes? The replacing of black heroes from the Revolutionary War to their rightful places? Because that's one of the biggest changes. Are you a racist that you would deny these men their rightful place in history?
@gamewizard I don't like seeing certain individuals erased from history. Do you support this education change? You shouldn't.
And, please stop 'asserting' my views. I choose my views carefully, and while I hate what religion can do, and I really don't like what the Vatican does, nor do I feel they are representing Christians well. I don't think all religious people are bad, like you are asserting. I just don't like these changes, they are crazy. Secular society has proven good over and over.
You are wrong. The 10 Commandments are Old Testament. The Old Testament is Jewish, NOT Christian. Jesus Christ replaced the Jewish laws of the Old Testament by dying on the cross. There is no conflict between freedom of religion and Christianity. The freedom to choose to follow him or not has ALWAYS been a part of God's will even before the Bible was written. Follow him or not, but on the last day those who choose not to will learn why they should have.
@gamewizard No, I'm afraid you are wrong. In Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus clearly says he did not abolish or replace the Old Testament laws, he came to serve as an example of how to follow them. He goes on to say that the law will remain in effect until heaven and earth disappear, and that anyone who breaks even the least of the commands will be called least in heaven. Furthermore, when the rich young man asks him how to be saved, Jesus asks if he's followed the commandments. He didn't replace jack.
Jesus said he came to FULFILL the law. When something is fulfilled, a prophecy for instance, what happens to it? It passes away because it is no longer needed. Jesus is the living embodiment of the law because no man is capable of following it on his own. If man were capable of following the law on his own, Jesus sacrifice would not have been required. You have a faulty interpretation of the Bible.
@gamewizard Yes, I know you Christians believe this nonsense, because I used to also. However, the big fault with your interpretation is why your "loving and merciful" god would give humanity a code of law that it cannot possibly redeem itself by, in order to redeem itself from the sins of Adam and Eve. Your idea of Jesus fulfilling and thereby eliminating the law is at odds with his statements that "I did not come to abolish the law" and that it will not pass away until heaven and earth do.
(cont'd) And again, why didn't Jesus just say "believe in me" when the rich man asked how he could be saved? Jesus instead asked if he had kept the law. Psalm 119:151-152, Psalm 111:7-8, and many other passages praised God's law as eternal, and yet Christians like you think God suddenly changed his mind and revised his entire system of salvation? Talk about faulty understanding of scripture!
What don't you understand about fulfillment? On the judgment day Jesus will stand in fulfillment of the law for all who believed in him as the messiah. That was why he was sent. Obedience to the law cannot save anyone because man CANNOT obey the law. The will to do evil is too strong. Revelation says that all men will do evil constantly in those days. Jesus would not have come to save us if we were still capable of saving ourselves. You're caught in the trap of legalism.
@gamewizard What I don't understand is how you think fulfilling the law so it's no longer necessary DOESN'T mean it is abolished. Jesus says that he's not abolishing the law, doesn't he? Then he says he's fulfilling it. It seems contradictory, but the rest of his statements also support his claim to not abolish the law. Saying it will last until heaven and earth disappear (when will HEAVEN disappear, btw?) is not an indication of the eternity of God's law? You're caught in the trap of nonsense.
The law still exists IN JESUS. What don't you understand about that? You don't have to obey the letter of the law anymore because Jesus came and died and was raised from the dead as forgiveness for those who believe in him. Yes, the law still exists, but the law is Jesus and Jesus is the law. When Paul was converting the Gentiles, he asked the apostles in Jerusalem whether conversion to Judaism was required and they said it was not, therefore the law no longer applies.
In the time before Jesus, there were men who were capable of keeping the law without needing a redeemer. Men like Lot and Job, for instance. So your assertion is wrong. At the time the law was written, men WERE capable of obeying it. It was later that men became incapable of keeping the law because they continued to fall from grace and their tendency towards doing evil grew and they required a substitute to keep it for them in they eyes of God.
@gamewizard That doesn't actually make a difference, because if god is all-knowing, he'd still know that his law would eventually become impossible to follow, and if he's all-powerful, couldn't he have devised some foolproof system of salvation from the beginning, not having to redo things in 2000 years?
Lot was a righteous guy for sure, offering up his daughters to that angry mob that wanted to rape the angels, and then getting drunk and having incest with them later. What a standard!
And who is to say that God DIDN'T know that man would need a messiah later? Why do you think he told Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge and the tree of life in the center of the garden of Eden? He KNEW what would happen to them if they did. He KNEW that the urge to do evil would overwhelm their future generations. The law was still good for the Israelites because they hadn't yet descended so far into sinfulness that the law alone could not save them.
@gamewizard Wait, so you're saying that God set us up the bomb? That doesn't seem very loving or merciful of him. What kind of creator intentionally designs it so that his creations will fail from the start?
No. I am saying he knew what would happen to man if Adam ate of the trees. God did not force Adam to eat of the trees. Adam ate of his own free will. Eve was deceived, but Adam ate in defiance because he was warned. The fall from grace was the necessary punishment for Adam's defiance. God in no way "set anybody up". Man set himself up.
As for the story of Lot, why do you think he was spared from Sodom and Gomorrah? He was the last righteous man in both cities. It took a lot of courage for him to offer his daughters in place of the angels, and the daughters were in no danger in the first place because the crowd that wanted the angels were all homosexuals. They didn't want young girls, they wanted men. As to the second part, Technically, his daughters raped him while he was passed out drunk. He did not force them.
@gamewizard Oh, well if his daughters were in no real danger, then I guess that makes it ok to offer them to a crowd of angry rapists. Boy, the lengths you believers will go to in order to justify the bible... was Lot omniscient too? Did he know all those people were homosexual? Does the bible even say that, or is it your assumption? You might assume that from the very similar story in Judges, but the crowd actually does rape and kill the concubine who is sent out.
Ummm..there were also two ANGELS present. Do you think the two angels (who incidentally struck the crowd of perverts with blindness) would have let anything befall Lot's family? And the Bible says that the men of Sodom lusted after one another, so yes, they were homosexuals.
@gamewizard So why offer his daughters to the mob at all if the angels would protect his family? Do you think God liked the gesture Lot made? The protection of the angels and the "homosexuality" of the crowd are inconsequential excuses you're making. Bisexual men can lust after one another and still be interested in women, but rape really has little to do with sexual orientation anyway. Keep plugging your ears and shouting "la la la".
Hmmm..let's see. Lot survives the destruction of the wicked cities, the homosexuals do not. I suppose by that alone God had nothing against what Lot had done. In fact, he was probably proud of him for it. He attempted to spare the strangers from the perverted lusts of the crowd. For a man to offer virgin daughters in those days was a huge sacrifice. Family honor meant a lot more in and having your daughters defiled was a big hit to honor.
I believe Cynthia Dunbar should be removed from her seat! These so called beliefs have become just that, no facts! This government was not found on Christianity nor should references to religion specific to one be noted in any school besides learning the history of all religions and how there is over 200 different types. Just because you like country music doesn't mean I should be forced to listen to it. Please keep prayers to your self or when it is the "right time and place"
If there's one thing the MSM, public (government) schools, and government honchos want to keep under wraps is the fact that America's roots began as white, and Christian. Many Zionists, who also have heavy influence within media outlets, hate this historical fact, and want to erase it from history. The Bill of Rights is Christian doctrine placed into law. Liberals seem to like Christian laws, but seem to hate Christians. I wonder why that is?
@joe80dman Freedom of religion (1st amendment) is a Christian value? Glad to hear it. Now if only Christians would agree to let people practice it instead of trying to impose their religion on us.
@capilot : The Founders didn't want any particular denomination of Christianity to be sanctified within government. They had escaped from England where only members of the Church of England received all the best paying jobs, perks, etc. They wanted freedom of religion, but NOT of any one particular faith.
@joe80dman - you're insane. NONE of the 'Bill of Rights' is "Christian doctrine placed into law." Bits like freedom of religion... freedom of speech... ARE NOT 'Christian values'... they (like 'human rights') are anathema to the Christ-cult. Rather, they are evil, diabolical, satanic, diabolical, heretical, SECULAR HUMANIST ideals that arose in the 'Enlightenment' and the 'Age of Reason'. You need to quit getting your 'history' from professional LFJs™ (Liars For Jesus), like David Barton.
@DuckPhup : You don't know what you're talking about. It doesn't surprise me since you were probably educated in a government (public) school. Where else could the principles of the Constitution have come from, Mao Tse Tung? There is no other country on earth that places the freedom of it's citizens over the desires of the government. Well, at least it's SUPPOSED to be that way. Now that we have an illegitimate government the principles have been altered.
@TXatheist : No, haven't been to Canada. I understand that people can't speak their minds openly in Canada for possible prosecution. Canada doesn't encourage personal firearm ownership. Therefor, I think I'll stay home.
@joe80dman Where in Canada does this happen? I've been there multiple times and never seen people saying certain topics are taboo. Canadians aren't as insecure so they don't see the need to live in fear and have as many guns.
@TXatheist : Canada has anti-hate speech laws, do they not? Concerning firearms, I don't think Canada is saturated with violent ethnic 3rd Worlders, either. Canadian cops are probably a bit more congenial than the psychotic American cops.
@TXatheist : So, is the Bible considered ILLEGAL in Canada? The 1st Amendment guarantees me my right to religion. The government cannot interfere with my religious beliefs. The government doesn't like this, but TOUGH.
@joe80dman I don't know what the penalty is in Canada but following the bible in the US is illegal too. You don't stone people for working on the sabbath do you? The xians don't like this, but tough.
@nef2442 No, the sabbath is a day that is to either be observed or the believer is to be killed per the bible, you ignore the bible like I do on that and many other things. Your cherry-picking of what to follow is typical cause xians don't really want to follow the bible cause if they knew what it said they'd be barbaric.
@TXatheist : Stoning another for working on the Sabbath is probably from Old Testament law. This was changed. I will still adhere to my religious beliefs without outside interference. The New Testament mandates that I carry a weapon with me at all times, and so I do. The government cannot LEGALLY interfere with my religious beliefs.
@TXatheist : Stoning another for working on the Sabbath is probably from Old Testament law. This was changed. I will still adhere to my religious beliefs without outside interference. The New Testament mandates that I carry a weapon with me at all times, and so I do. The government cannot LEGALLY interfere with my religious beliefs.
@joe80dman So we don't follow the early books that include the 10 C as those are Hebrew books? You can't carry your gun anywhere and everyone you want so your rights aren't all you think they are.
@TXatheist : Christ ordered his adherents to follow the 10 Commandments. Those weren't altered at all. In my county Open Carry is allowed for anyone 21 years, and older, and without a felony record.
@joe80dman In the USA there are rules that vary by states of when,where and who can carry a weapon. The alleged jesus said that he did not come to destroy the law but fulfil it and not to take anything away so he didn't say do away with the torah laws.
@TXatheist : "ALLEGED" Jesus? Oh, great! You're an Orthodox Jew, I take it. Most levels of government today don't acknowledge the US Constitution because they don't even know about the Constitution anyway. Lawyers (judges) know about it, but they'll never let the truth out about it. Governments don't like the Constitution because it places limits upon their self-anointed authority. As long as the general public lacks knowledge of their Rights, the gov will continue to lie to them.
@joe80dman Nope, the atheist in my name is a clue. look up jesus puzzle on the web. The Constitution is a basic set of rules when creating laws. The gov't lies? What about the church?
@TXatheist : American churches have been compromised. The IRS grants them tax exemption via 501 (c) 3 status, but there's a catch to this. The IRS insists that the churches refrain from discussing certain topics. If churches should arouse their constituents in any political manner, the tax exemption is revoked.
And they have the audacity to tell us we have a church-state separation? Bull! The government controls the churches.
@joe80dman Fine, remove the tax exempt status and the only difference would be they could say the name of the political candidate. When Kerry was running it was well known catholic churches would say "you can't vote for a catholic that is not against abortion" which everyone knew meant vote for Bush. Govt' controls the churches? The supreme court has 4 catholics, the vatican has a seat on the UN, the churches have too much interference in political afffairs.
@TXatheist : Sounds like a good idea: Remove tax exemption for churches. If this were accomplished churches would then speak openly of Scripture without reprimand from government. The Founders would have been outraged had 4 Catholics been seated on the SCOTUS. This is why they wrote the 1st Amendment as it is, to prohibit any one particular denomination to "take over" seats of government. Churches aren't the problem. Large, corporate entities disguised as churches are.
@joe80dman No, so that no one church or group or religion got favoritism in any way because the Puritans were persecuting the baptists and that's why Jefferson wrote to the Danbury baptists which included the phrase separation of church and state. The problem is the bible being taken literally or as true.
@TXatheist : The Puritans were actually escaping two entities in England. The most significant being the Rothschild banking monopoly in that country, the 2nd being the Church of England. Only members of the Church of England got the best paying jobs, and especially affluent government jobs. If you weren't a C of E member, you were left OUT. This is why they insisted that no particular denomination received government favor. The Revolutionary War was ordered by Rothschild to keep them enslaved.
@DuckPhup "NONE of the Bill of Rights' is Christian" Lol, that's like saying none of the Bill Rights is American... Lol you can't have one without the other. Read a history book bud!
@nef2442 Christian means with jesus/god/xianity/the bible and the bill of rights are about US rights which are completely mutually exclusive. There is no connection with xianity and the USA other than the FF were glad to get away from gov't forced xianity. We do have a secular gov't that has nothing to do with xianity. Where do you find any correlation of xianity to the Bll of rights cause I've read it and there is nothing about jc/xianity in the bill of rights.
@TXatheist The Bill of Rights reflects the Christian heritage of our nation. The idea of human dignity, that we are created in the image of God, forms the theological basis for human equality and our core principle of liberty (Genesis 1:27, Leviticus 25:10, Matthew 25:40, Mark 12:31). The fundamental basis of religious freedom in human nature secures our rights and limits government. There is a higher authority than civil authority, the laws of God.
@nef2442 That's nice but the bible also says we are sinners so you extract what you wish to see in the bible to make it fit. The bible condones slavery indicating some are to be enslaved and not equal. There is no god so luckily we have civil law to live by because if we lived by the bible we'd stone people to death because the bible is archaic.
@TXatheist Show me in the Bible where it PRESCRIBES slavery? The very book of Exodus uses slavery as the pretext of what evil is!
Our entire system of American jurisprudence was based on the Bible. Our entire government was framed around the Bible. Our tripartite system was developed in honor of the Trinity. Etc. William Blackstone's Common Law of England was one of the greatest influences, and Blackstone simply believed that if a law contradicted the Bible than it was an unjust law.
@nef2442 How does freedom of speech and freedom of religion not violate have no other gods before me and taking the lords name in vain is against the 10 C? The 3 part system of offices is called checks and balances to deny tyranny, not because of the trinity. "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. (Ex 21:7-10)
@TXatheist "how does freedom of speech not violate" Political Theorist Edmund Burke believed... Life fire, freedom is good if it is kept under control... "When a man sells his daughter as a slave"... Name me one community or culture on the planet during the Iron Age that did not sell their children into slavery? Here God is instructing the Israelites on how to deal with a prevalent issue within a global institution. God was against this institution if you actually took the time to read.
@TXatheist I meant "LIKE FIRE" on my last post to you i committed a typo. BTW if you read how God truly felt about slavery by reading the Scriptures you would understand that the point you are trying to make is taking Ex21:7-10 out of context. Take your postmodern glasses off and try to understand you are reading about a period during the Iron age over a millennia B.C.
@nef2442 You nor I have any idea how any god feels, just men that make up stories about what god is like. Try taking your ancient fairy tale in context, it's plagiarized mythology.
@TXatheist FF were also greatly influenced by the philosopher J. Locke. He wrote in his Two Treatises on Government of 1690: "God, as King David says (Pm 115:16), has given the earth to the children of men, given it to mankind in common" (II, 5). Locke argued that people were born with certain natural rights to life, liberty, and property, and that gov's are formed to protect the rights of the people When gov's fail to protect these rights, tyranny results, and the people have the right to rebel
I'm just glad I don't live in this state. It is filled with ignorance, racism, fear and hatred. This is NOT a christian nation. The Founders deliberately left "christ" and christians out of the founding documents - knowing they were troublemakers who would turn our country into a little "England" where religion was legislated. Well, Texas has done it anyway. Sorry bunch of fearful saps, for sure.
First of all, there is no legal separation of church and state. Show it to me. You can't because it's not there. Secondly, there was a variety of texts of a religious nature used in schools in this country prior to the early 20th century and the state of Massachussetts actually had an official religion for a long time that went completely unchallenged. This concept of a separation is a 20th century myth. It never existed.
@gloyahoo Well, your wrong and demonstrably so. The US is not and never was founded on Christianity. You better go read the treaty of tripoli signed by John Adams.
Well, duh! The Treaty of Tripoli was written to appease MUSLIM PIRATES plundering US shipping and the US navy was not strong enough at that time to stop it. Don't you think they would say just about anything to get the piracy to stop? It's called diplomacy and it's based on lies and deception and always has been.
@gamewizard ROFL! I love you fundies! You make such good BS lies when you get cornered! Senate's ratification was only the third recorded unanimous vote. The Tripolitan War was just 4 years later and the battle of Derne was one of the most decisive victories the US has ever had. "From the Halls of Montazuma to the shores of Tripoli"... Yeah. That battle.
"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
The Treaty of Tripoli was 1796-1797. The First Barbary War did not take place until 1801-1805 and the second in 1815. How does a treaty signed BEFORE the war have anything to do with the war that came after?
"American ships sailing in the Mediterranean chose to travel close to larger convoys of other European powers who had paid tribute to the pirates. Payments in ransom and tribute to the Barbary states amounted to 20% of United States government annual expenditures in 1800"
Real brave and powerful navy we had in 1800 that cowered behind the ships of the European fleets and the government paying 20% of their total annual budget to appease the Barbary pirates.
The navies of England, France, Spain, and Portugal had been battling the Barbary pirates for 300 years. If they couldn't stop them, what hope did a new nation like the US have? The Constitution had only just been ratified 4 years earlier. Do you really think they could build a navy more powerful than the Europeans in just 4 years? Why would the US still be paying tribute to the Barbary pirates until the end of the Second Barbary War in 1815 if they could wipe them out any time?
In JESUS name I pray you bless Cynthia Dunbar. She is truly fighting evil in Texas. Thoses who cannot stand the name of JESUS I rebuke you....and to thoses who just want us CHRISTIANS to go away.....were going to very soon....I pray in JESUS name you get saved....
And for all the despicable comments here, Jesus is about to return, and you will face the Great Tribulation. At that time you might want to reflect and turn to The Only One who can save you, Jesus Christ.
@UriahHeep100 Oh dear. Your comment made me laugh and also brought tears to my eyes!
To think that in this great scientific and technological age, we have people who, apparently educated, are getting themselves wet between the legs over some MYTHical story and the belief that one day, this man will return to save them.From what?
Yourself I 'd wager.
I wonder when the rest of the rational world is finally going to start locking people up that display all the sings of delusion/schizophrenia?
The Constitution was based on the philosophies of the Enlightenment, not on religion. It sounds like the people who are deciding what's in our history textbooks have never read one themselves.
Crazy people that take offense to her prayer had ought to research American History, because you sure arent learning it in public schools. America was founded on Christian Principles. The United States of America Supreme Court acknowledged this and agreed that this great country was a Christian Nation. The freedom to worship any way you want. Learn the facts!
@Ajntb2Sli You couldn't be more wrong. You need to read the treaty of Tripoli.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen;
This was signed and rattified by the founding fathers. So your claim is demonstrably false.
@jwissick I never said the US was founded on the Christian religion. You need to listen to what people say before you spew your thoughts. I said it was founded on Christian principles. Its you who are wrong. The main reason schools were established was to teach the Bible! Learn your history!
@Ajntb2Sli But those principals are not uniquely christian and existed far earlier than the 1st century. You can call those principals athiestic, roman, or Greek as well.
I couldn't disagree more with that. our established Federal Judicial system is founded on Judeo/christian statues. A lot of the signers of the Declaration of Indepence has Seminary degree's and a lot of the inventions were developed with Christian principles.
@Ajntb2Sli Seminary degree = Christian? Since when? Did you know that the majority of pastors leave the faith within 10 years of graduation? The values of this country are not unique to christianity; that's a fact. Jefferson was no christian. Neither were Franklin, John adams, Paine, ethan Allen, or Madison. Washington was not public on his faith. That the US was founded on Christian values is just fundie bull crap and an attempt to rewrite history.
@Ajntb2Sli - if you sincerely believe that the USA was founded on 'Christian principles', then you ought to be able to tell us... specifically... WHAT 'Christian principles'... BESIDES gullibility, self-deception, self-delusion, irrationality, willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, lies, deceit, sophistry, hypocrisy, and toxic, drooling stupidity, that is.
A treaty written to appease Muslim pirates hardly qualifies as support for your position. The US government would have said anything to get the pirates to stop because the US navy couldn't stop them at that time.
You know, I'd like to think that I'm not a violent person, but these people need to be tried and thrown in prison. At the very least a mental institution. The republic is dead folks.
It is getting harder and harder to live here. I no longer tell people who don't already know that I am from Texas. My son is about to graduate from high school, thank the moon and stars, but I sure feel for those kids and the teachers.
simply obscene
shwank1968 2 weeks ago
USA = christian land, Europe = christian land and so on. Islam is dying and them who love it !
Trusten1984 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
Why that lady trying to channel her dead father and why is she so ignorant of US history?
Shouldn't these kinds of people be kept away from deciding what children learn about?
"In no instance have... the churches been the guardians of the liberties of the people", James Madison.
Bourtini 1 month ago
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Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11
"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;"
Drafted by George Washington in 1797 and ratified the same year thus becoming law under Article VI-2 of the US Counstitution.
ih8makinusernames 5 months ago
The United States was founded specifically as a secular nation.
Ever heard of the Church of England? The offical state religion of Great Britian... the reason our founders insisted on the seperation of church and state in the first place... any of this ring a liberty bell for you?
The lies of the religious right will not change history.
Prayer, voodoo, rain dances, snake handling and all other useless religious rituals have no place in our governmental processes.
Qillz 5 months ago
Yep, that's a bunch of Texas for ya! Thankfully not all. Thanks guys for putting up a fight to keep science education in Texas schools!
GreatG0dOm 6 months ago
When people can get rich from a hole in the ground, stupidity becomes an asset, intelligence a burden, and retards will rule.
Texas or Middle-East, different hats, same shit ...
Belgianmeth 6 months ago
Cynthia Dunbar is a useless individual... "no great harm can come to this great country..." are you serious? so was your god on vacation on 9/11? stupid woman.
belligerent81 6 months ago
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One important US document that not many people are aware of is the Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary. "Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;" The treaty was written in 1796 under George Washington. The US was not founded as a Christian Nation.
happyorks1 7 months ago
This is NOT a Christian nation, period. It is a nation where people of many cultures and religions may live according to their own beliefs. Christians do not DO WHAT THEY WERE COMMANDED. Their Jesus told them not to pray in public, but bray they do. They were told that the commandments given by God would continue to the end of time, but they ignore his commandments. Christianity was the invention of Paul, Jesus didn't teach it. Shepherds don't go out with their flocks in the winter.
bevkurtin 7 months ago
This is terrible...
A Christian nation???
What delusional weed are these bastards smoking???
What arrogance? What stupidity... What a lack of knowledge on American History... or twisting and warping of that history...
"Freedom from religion... " That sure is not this right here.
The only harm comes to those that aren't Christians...
Disgusting....
mrx0066600 7 months ago 2
The God of Israel is not going to let us reject His Son Jesus Christ and still keep Christian principles, blessings, and protection.
Repent and believe the gospel.
GodisTruthseekTruth 8 months ago
no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Flowerblood 8 months ago 2
ps...i just moved FROM Texas....they are THAT crazy
rckymtn3 9 months ago
and I say it is too true....90% of people falling out of the sky in an airplane believe in god....
face it folks...in these days of free information exchange....organized religion will go the way of disco....either no one will remember a day when people believed, or those that do practice it wear silly clothes....either way....good ridance to something that has caused nothing but pain to this earth....
rckymtn3 9 months ago
"They" keep saying 90% of people believe in god....
I think it's time to take another vote...and this time, don't ask a bunch of 8yr olds, or adults with 8yr old brains....
truly...I think the actual number is closer to 30% truly believe in a god....the rest are questioning more and more the validity of a higher power.
rckymtn3 9 months ago
She can't even read. You'd think Jesus would help her sound out those long words. Fucking secede already.
andynorris 9 months ago
I think this should scare everyone. Seriously. Not just because what she said was filled with complete inaccuracy and lies, but that these people are in charge of something, that it is Education makes it much worse.
It should scare the world that this is who is in charge of the Education for future Americans.They themselves need to seriously read about their History rather than simply making things up based on how they wished it was.I should not know more about US History than these people.
TheEvilJo 10 months ago
Why does no one in the conference room object? I don't get this.
callmeishmael6 11 months ago
Why does no one in the conference room object? I don't get this.
callmeishmael6 11 months ago
and so it goes........in the land of the blind, a one eyed man can be king.
mortskaew 11 months ago
It's strange that the uneducated are the ones who make education policies in Texas.
nick00goku 1 year ago
God doesn't actually exist which makes these people simply deluded or at least they would be simply deluded except they insist on ruining the children with their christian crap which makes them evil at best.
jimmywrangles 1 year ago
@jimmywrangles 90% of Americans citizens think you are wrong, they believe in some kind of god or supreme power, thank you
sevas2525 11 months ago
@sevas2525 So.
grayziehobbes 10 months ago
@sevas2525 90%? Just make stuff up as you go along. Good job. You must have a math textbook from Texas.
andynorris 9 months ago
Barf !!!
bettybigbangmcgee 1 year ago
I dont know what this is supposed to show but all I can see is how insanely conservative and biblethumping american politics are.
Janusha 1 year ago
This country was founded on the principals of freedom, but for christianity to claim those values as there's is ludicrous.
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." Thomas Jefferson
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin
yeah, it sounds like the founding fathers were REAL big on religion.
johnnyb1936 1 year ago
where does the bible say anything about freedom of belief or expression? the first commandment clearly states "you shall have no other gods before me" that doesn't lie freedom to me. sanctity of the home and equal justice under law!?!? christian values my ass. it's clearly stated that a man may sell his daughter into sexual slavery, sleep with as many women as he pleases under wedlock, and may stone a disobedient son to death.
johnnyb1936 1 year ago
It seems to me everyone's getting upset because Mrs. Dunbar mentioned her overt opinion in her prayers concerning the founding and basis of this nation. However, she was simply quoting the words of a very liberal judge who stated many of those same words in his prayer 50-some years ago. Is it so upsetting that this woman knows her history and is willing to voice it in prayer? It certainly seems a fitting circumstance to say such things.
01blessedone 1 year ago
this is bs....there should be no prayers in the govt offices
mrtruthfinder1975 1 year ago
@mrtruthfinder1975 why not?? if don't like go home muslim.
papichulo8604 1 year ago
@papichulo8604 ....wtf are you talking about? i can tell that the education in Texas is fucked due to the response you gave. I am an atheist American you schmuck. holy balls .....i'm not sure if talking you you would do any good. might just confuse you more than you already are since that small brain can only hold so much info before you pass out
mrtruthfinder1975 1 year ago
I think the many dislikes is because of Cynthia Dunbar rather than the message of the video.
DevonHartigan 1 year ago
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I wish these people would just die out....
damienomen 1 year ago
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*enraged*
Fuck you in the neck, Cynthia Dunbar.
GoblinsnHobbits 1 year ago
She got her law degree from Regent University, which was founded in 1978 by Pat Robertson and originally known as Christian Broadcasting Network University.
How are these people given any credibility by anyone?
shaun3342 1 year ago
it must be really embarrassing to be that dumb...not that she realizes it...I think my head it about to explode
shaun3342 1 year ago
kill every honky in the world
Mesarphelous 1 year ago
There are lots of things I would "like to believe," but that doesn't necessarily make them true. Our founders moved to a new nation to escape religion.
History doesn't lie, but you can't add in your own wishes while studying. Our founders would be disgusted.
finallyfreethinking 1 year ago 2
Reservation of powers to the people? What about your god? Make up your mind. She's so fucking delusional the rubber room is the only safe place for her. Would somebody please get that mental hygiene warrant ready.
redcloak676 1 year ago
Why are a few fundie nut jobs allowed to dumb down our children in school? It angers me when I see fundie nut jobs claim that this country was founded on "Christian principles"
"We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition, fanaticism and fabrication ." - Thomas Jefferson
"What have been the fruits of Christianity ? Superstition, bigotry and persecution." — James Madison, 4th president of the U.S.
gorgeoustxwoman 1 year ago 2
This video is very disturbing. I cannot believe that State of Texas allows this to happen. Christian land??? Christian principles?? That is crazy!!! This is totally unacceptable. Those people must be idiots or delusional.
derwin32 1 year ago
If the Bible is all we needed to form America, why did it take 1776 years? I mean, there were a LOT of Bible based nations prior to that. The Roman Empire, England etc. And yet the US is very different from those nations somehow. Something besides the Bible must be necessary. Hmm. What could it have been? Did something happen between the Roman Empire and the US? The Enlightenment perhaps? Liberalism perhaps? Locke anyone? Jefferson?
CoolerHeads 1 year ago
Additionally, you should never pledge 'alliegience' to the United States. You should look up the history of the term. It is antithetical to a free people.
The proper fealty is due the Constitution, not any govt. operating under (or contrary to) said.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
The sword cuts both ways. However, in its proper implementation, it cuts hardest at Praemunire...the insertion of govt. withing govt. to the benefit of papal process, and to the detriment of base liberty.
This is the gambit that has long been in play...ever since our founding. Nothing has really changed since the Council of Trent.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
@gamewizard The Establishment Clause and the Seperation Clause. Learn it, love it, or go elsewhere.
Jeffersons letter to the Danbury Baptists, outlining the reasoning and implementation of said. Gamewizard, another ignorant roman thrall from their boiler room here on googles conditioning tube.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
This prayer was written by SCOTUS Chief Justice Earl Warren, originally presented at a prayer bkfst in 1954. You know, liberal icon, BROWN VS. BOARD OF ED., Justice Warren.
Geez...bunch of whiney anti-religious zealots!
bargaincitizen 1 year ago
Well prayed . equal justice under law.
superpencil007 1 year ago
liars for jesus, screw off
debaser71 1 year ago
@stormculture
Speaking of Muslims, if anyone is wanting to establish a theocracy in this country it is them. You're all bitching and whining about the Christians taking over (which is NOT happening BTW) but if there's any group you should be worried about taking over it is the Muslims. Worship Allah or have your head removed your shoulders. Nobody is telling you to worship Jesus or die.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@DuckPhup
Not at all. Man has had absolute freedom to do whatever they wished from the beginning. If you'd ever bothered to open a Bible you'd know that. God never wanted people to follow him blindly because they had no other choice. He would have just created a race of soulless zombies if that was what he wanted. The very existence of your free will proves that God never demanded that all people follow him. God only demands obedience and reverence from those who have chosen to be his.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@chente41
Examples?
gamewizard 1 year ago
@debaser71
There is no separation of church and state. Those words never appear in the Constitution no matter how much you might like them to. Repeating the lie over and over doesn't make it true.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@dinosmu
There is no separation of church and state.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard This is exactly why I'm pissed.
Praying doesn't do anything. It's a waste of tax payers money, to see them do that, is pathetic. The founding fathers wanted a secular society, and many even made comments saying that is how you can ONLY be secular, because you surely can't let every religion have influence. I'm a firm supporter of secularism, and so are my religious friends.
Religious bigots changing history because of 'how they feel' about it, is fucking RETARDED. And, a dentist? :/
Raherin 1 year ago
@Raherin
“We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that ‘except the Lord build the House, they Labor in vain that build it.’ I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel.” – Benjamin Franklin
Does this sound like man who wanted a secular society?
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard Oh really? What is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution? Why would that have been made? Are you this stupid?
Raherin 1 year ago
@Raherin
What does the first amendment have to do with it? You don't even understand the first amendment, I'd bet. The first amendment is to protect religion from government, not government from religion.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard You're an american? I find that hard to beleive now. You don't understand the first amendment. As soon as you let a religion start dictating in society, then you have to allow EVERY religion. The first amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion".
Are you REALLY this dense? You probably support this butchering to education, too.
Raherin 1 year ago
@gamewizard Just because he's giving credit to religion, which we CAN do, even though still wanting a secular society. This does not indicate the conflation you've made it into.
I'll give religion credit too: Religion created some of the best art this world has seen. That doesn't mean that I want my country run by Christians.
Raherin 1 year ago
@Raherin
So stay in Canada and mind your own fucking business. How about that?
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard Guess what, I live in a free country with free speech, and so do you. So, no, I'll say what I want, thanks. :]
Raherin 1 year ago
@Raherin
What injustices? And don't go into a diatribe about the Crusades and Inquisition and all the other crap that you idiots always bring up. Those are acts of the Catholic church and if you knew anything at all about the Catholic church you would see that they are about as Christian as Shiva.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard Yeah, I agree with you. The Catholic church is not the best example of Christianity. I have a lot of cool Christian friends, who agree with me that the church has taken a different path than the bible.
Raherin 1 year ago
@Raherin
What dishonest education changes? The replacing of black heroes from the Revolutionary War to their rightful places? Because that's one of the biggest changes. Are you a racist that you would deny these men their rightful place in history?
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard I don't like seeing certain individuals erased from history. Do you support this education change? You shouldn't.
And, please stop 'asserting' my views. I choose my views carefully, and while I hate what religion can do, and I really don't like what the Vatican does, nor do I feel they are representing Christians well. I don't think all religious people are bad, like you are asserting. I just don't like these changes, they are crazy. Secular society has proven good over and over.
Raherin 1 year ago
@lalaontube
Nobody is forcing anybody to believe anything. You are still free to do whatever you feel like doing.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I should have consulted you first before posting.
lalaontube 1 year ago
@TaylorX04
You are wrong. The 10 Commandments are Old Testament. The Old Testament is Jewish, NOT Christian. Jesus Christ replaced the Jewish laws of the Old Testament by dying on the cross. There is no conflict between freedom of religion and Christianity. The freedom to choose to follow him or not has ALWAYS been a part of God's will even before the Bible was written. Follow him or not, but on the last day those who choose not to will learn why they should have.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard No, I'm afraid you are wrong. In Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus clearly says he did not abolish or replace the Old Testament laws, he came to serve as an example of how to follow them. He goes on to say that the law will remain in effect until heaven and earth disappear, and that anyone who breaks even the least of the commands will be called least in heaven. Furthermore, when the rich young man asks him how to be saved, Jesus asks if he's followed the commandments. He didn't replace jack.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04
Jesus said he came to FULFILL the law. When something is fulfilled, a prophecy for instance, what happens to it? It passes away because it is no longer needed. Jesus is the living embodiment of the law because no man is capable of following it on his own. If man were capable of following the law on his own, Jesus sacrifice would not have been required. You have a faulty interpretation of the Bible.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard Yes, I know you Christians believe this nonsense, because I used to also. However, the big fault with your interpretation is why your "loving and merciful" god would give humanity a code of law that it cannot possibly redeem itself by, in order to redeem itself from the sins of Adam and Eve. Your idea of Jesus fulfilling and thereby eliminating the law is at odds with his statements that "I did not come to abolish the law" and that it will not pass away until heaven and earth do.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
(cont'd) And again, why didn't Jesus just say "believe in me" when the rich man asked how he could be saved? Jesus instead asked if he had kept the law. Psalm 119:151-152, Psalm 111:7-8, and many other passages praised God's law as eternal, and yet Christians like you think God suddenly changed his mind and revised his entire system of salvation? Talk about faulty understanding of scripture!
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04
What don't you understand about fulfillment? On the judgment day Jesus will stand in fulfillment of the law for all who believed in him as the messiah. That was why he was sent. Obedience to the law cannot save anyone because man CANNOT obey the law. The will to do evil is too strong. Revelation says that all men will do evil constantly in those days. Jesus would not have come to save us if we were still capable of saving ourselves. You're caught in the trap of legalism.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard What I don't understand is how you think fulfilling the law so it's no longer necessary DOESN'T mean it is abolished. Jesus says that he's not abolishing the law, doesn't he? Then he says he's fulfilling it. It seems contradictory, but the rest of his statements also support his claim to not abolish the law. Saying it will last until heaven and earth disappear (when will HEAVEN disappear, btw?) is not an indication of the eternity of God's law? You're caught in the trap of nonsense.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04
The law still exists IN JESUS. What don't you understand about that? You don't have to obey the letter of the law anymore because Jesus came and died and was raised from the dead as forgiveness for those who believe in him. Yes, the law still exists, but the law is Jesus and Jesus is the law. When Paul was converting the Gentiles, he asked the apostles in Jerusalem whether conversion to Judaism was required and they said it was not, therefore the law no longer applies.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@TaylorX04
In the time before Jesus, there were men who were capable of keeping the law without needing a redeemer. Men like Lot and Job, for instance. So your assertion is wrong. At the time the law was written, men WERE capable of obeying it. It was later that men became incapable of keeping the law because they continued to fall from grace and their tendency towards doing evil grew and they required a substitute to keep it for them in they eyes of God.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard That doesn't actually make a difference, because if god is all-knowing, he'd still know that his law would eventually become impossible to follow, and if he's all-powerful, couldn't he have devised some foolproof system of salvation from the beginning, not having to redo things in 2000 years?
Lot was a righteous guy for sure, offering up his daughters to that angry mob that wanted to rape the angels, and then getting drunk and having incest with them later. What a standard!
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04
And who is to say that God DIDN'T know that man would need a messiah later? Why do you think he told Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge and the tree of life in the center of the garden of Eden? He KNEW what would happen to them if they did. He KNEW that the urge to do evil would overwhelm their future generations. The law was still good for the Israelites because they hadn't yet descended so far into sinfulness that the law alone could not save them.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard Wait, so you're saying that God set us up the bomb? That doesn't seem very loving or merciful of him. What kind of creator intentionally designs it so that his creations will fail from the start?
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04
No. I am saying he knew what would happen to man if Adam ate of the trees. God did not force Adam to eat of the trees. Adam ate of his own free will. Eve was deceived, but Adam ate in defiance because he was warned. The fall from grace was the necessary punishment for Adam's defiance. God in no way "set anybody up". Man set himself up.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@TaylorX04
As for the story of Lot, why do you think he was spared from Sodom and Gomorrah? He was the last righteous man in both cities. It took a lot of courage for him to offer his daughters in place of the angels, and the daughters were in no danger in the first place because the crowd that wanted the angels were all homosexuals. They didn't want young girls, they wanted men. As to the second part, Technically, his daughters raped him while he was passed out drunk. He did not force them.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard Oh, well if his daughters were in no real danger, then I guess that makes it ok to offer them to a crowd of angry rapists. Boy, the lengths you believers will go to in order to justify the bible... was Lot omniscient too? Did he know all those people were homosexual? Does the bible even say that, or is it your assumption? You might assume that from the very similar story in Judges, but the crowd actually does rape and kill the concubine who is sent out.
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04
Ummm..there were also two ANGELS present. Do you think the two angels (who incidentally struck the crowd of perverts with blindness) would have let anything befall Lot's family? And the Bible says that the men of Sodom lusted after one another, so yes, they were homosexuals.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard So why offer his daughters to the mob at all if the angels would protect his family? Do you think God liked the gesture Lot made? The protection of the angels and the "homosexuality" of the crowd are inconsequential excuses you're making. Bisexual men can lust after one another and still be interested in women, but rape really has little to do with sexual orientation anyway. Keep plugging your ears and shouting "la la la".
TaylorX04 1 year ago
@TaylorX04
Hmmm..let's see. Lot survives the destruction of the wicked cities, the homosexuals do not. I suppose by that alone God had nothing against what Lot had done. In fact, he was probably proud of him for it. He attempted to spare the strangers from the perverted lusts of the crowd. For a man to offer virgin daughters in those days was a huge sacrifice. Family honor meant a lot more in and having your daughters defiled was a big hit to honor.
gamewizard 1 year ago
What a bunch of superstitious wackos.
mcgra8bc 1 year ago
I believe Cynthia Dunbar should be removed from her seat! These so called beliefs have become just that, no facts! This government was not found on Christianity nor should references to religion specific to one be noted in any school besides learning the history of all religions and how there is over 200 different types. Just because you like country music doesn't mean I should be forced to listen to it. Please keep prayers to your self or when it is the "right time and place"
coolassrob 1 year ago
If there's one thing the MSM, public (government) schools, and government honchos want to keep under wraps is the fact that America's roots began as white, and Christian. Many Zionists, who also have heavy influence within media outlets, hate this historical fact, and want to erase it from history. The Bill of Rights is Christian doctrine placed into law. Liberals seem to like Christian laws, but seem to hate Christians. I wonder why that is?
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman Freedom of religion (1st amendment) is a Christian value? Glad to hear it. Now if only Christians would agree to let people practice it instead of trying to impose their religion on us.
capilot 1 year ago
@capilot : The Founders didn't want any particular denomination of Christianity to be sanctified within government. They had escaped from England where only members of the Church of England received all the best paying jobs, perks, etc. They wanted freedom of religion, but NOT of any one particular faith.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman - you're insane. NONE of the 'Bill of Rights' is "Christian doctrine placed into law." Bits like freedom of religion... freedom of speech... ARE NOT 'Christian values'... they (like 'human rights') are anathema to the Christ-cult. Rather, they are evil, diabolical, satanic, diabolical, heretical, SECULAR HUMANIST ideals that arose in the 'Enlightenment' and the 'Age of Reason'. You need to quit getting your 'history' from professional LFJs™ (Liars For Jesus), like David Barton.
DuckPhup 1 year ago
@DuckPhup : You don't know what you're talking about. It doesn't surprise me since you were probably educated in a government (public) school. Where else could the principles of the Constitution have come from, Mao Tse Tung? There is no other country on earth that places the freedom of it's citizens over the desires of the government. Well, at least it's SUPPOSED to be that way. Now that we have an illegitimate government the principles have been altered.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman The ideas of John Locke and Voltaire. Have you been to Canada? I'm guessing not.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist : No, haven't been to Canada. I understand that people can't speak their minds openly in Canada for possible prosecution. Canada doesn't encourage personal firearm ownership. Therefor, I think I'll stay home.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman Where in Canada does this happen? I've been there multiple times and never seen people saying certain topics are taboo. Canadians aren't as insecure so they don't see the need to live in fear and have as many guns.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist : Canada has anti-hate speech laws, do they not? Concerning firearms, I don't think Canada is saturated with violent ethnic 3rd Worlders, either. Canadian cops are probably a bit more congenial than the psychotic American cops.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman If you mean they realize the bible is against gays and that is considered hate speech then yes Canada has those laws.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist : So, is the Bible considered ILLEGAL in Canada? The 1st Amendment guarantees me my right to religion. The government cannot interfere with my religious beliefs. The government doesn't like this, but TOUGH.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman I don't know what the penalty is in Canada but following the bible in the US is illegal too. You don't stone people for working on the sabbath do you? The xians don't like this, but tough.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist Jesus said, "The sabbath was made for man, not the man for the sabbath" (Mark 2:27). You argument is unscrupulous and fallacious.
nef2442 1 year ago
@nef2442 No, the sabbath is a day that is to either be observed or the believer is to be killed per the bible, you ignore the bible like I do on that and many other things. Your cherry-picking of what to follow is typical cause xians don't really want to follow the bible cause if they knew what it said they'd be barbaric.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist "The sabbath was made for man, not the man for the sabbath" (Mark 2:27).
nef2442 1 year ago
@TXatheist : Stoning another for working on the Sabbath is probably from Old Testament law. This was changed. I will still adhere to my religious beliefs without outside interference. The New Testament mandates that I carry a weapon with me at all times, and so I do. The government cannot LEGALLY interfere with my religious beliefs.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@TXatheist : Stoning another for working on the Sabbath is probably from Old Testament law. This was changed. I will still adhere to my religious beliefs without outside interference. The New Testament mandates that I carry a weapon with me at all times, and so I do. The government cannot LEGALLY interfere with my religious beliefs.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman So we don't follow the early books that include the 10 C as those are Hebrew books? You can't carry your gun anywhere and everyone you want so your rights aren't all you think they are.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist : Christ ordered his adherents to follow the 10 Commandments. Those weren't altered at all. In my county Open Carry is allowed for anyone 21 years, and older, and without a felony record.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman In the USA there are rules that vary by states of when,where and who can carry a weapon. The alleged jesus said that he did not come to destroy the law but fulfil it and not to take anything away so he didn't say do away with the torah laws.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist : "ALLEGED" Jesus? Oh, great! You're an Orthodox Jew, I take it. Most levels of government today don't acknowledge the US Constitution because they don't even know about the Constitution anyway. Lawyers (judges) know about it, but they'll never let the truth out about it. Governments don't like the Constitution because it places limits upon their self-anointed authority. As long as the general public lacks knowledge of their Rights, the gov will continue to lie to them.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman Nope, the atheist in my name is a clue. look up jesus puzzle on the web. The Constitution is a basic set of rules when creating laws. The gov't lies? What about the church?
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist : American churches have been compromised. The IRS grants them tax exemption via 501 (c) 3 status, but there's a catch to this. The IRS insists that the churches refrain from discussing certain topics. If churches should arouse their constituents in any political manner, the tax exemption is revoked.
And they have the audacity to tell us we have a church-state separation? Bull! The government controls the churches.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman Fine, remove the tax exempt status and the only difference would be they could say the name of the political candidate. When Kerry was running it was well known catholic churches would say "you can't vote for a catholic that is not against abortion" which everyone knew meant vote for Bush. Govt' controls the churches? The supreme court has 4 catholics, the vatican has a seat on the UN, the churches have too much interference in political afffairs.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist : Sounds like a good idea: Remove tax exemption for churches. If this were accomplished churches would then speak openly of Scripture without reprimand from government. The Founders would have been outraged had 4 Catholics been seated on the SCOTUS. This is why they wrote the 1st Amendment as it is, to prohibit any one particular denomination to "take over" seats of government. Churches aren't the problem. Large, corporate entities disguised as churches are.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman No, so that no one church or group or religion got favoritism in any way because the Puritans were persecuting the baptists and that's why Jefferson wrote to the Danbury baptists which included the phrase separation of church and state. The problem is the bible being taken literally or as true.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist : The Puritans were actually escaping two entities in England. The most significant being the Rothschild banking monopoly in that country, the 2nd being the Church of England. Only members of the Church of England got the best paying jobs, and especially affluent government jobs. If you weren't a C of E member, you were left OUT. This is why they insisted that no particular denomination received government favor. The Revolutionary War was ordered by Rothschild to keep them enslaved.
joe80dman 1 year ago
@joe80dman And why our FF knew the Constitution/1st amendment should not favor any religion or denomination.
TXatheist 1 year ago 2
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@joe80dman And why our FF knew the Constitution/1st amendment should not favor any religion or denomination.
TXatheist 1 year ago 3
@DuckPhup "NONE of the Bill of Rights' is Christian" Lol, that's like saying none of the Bill Rights is American... Lol you can't have one without the other. Read a history book bud!
nef2442 1 year ago
@nef2442 Christian means with jesus/god/xianity/the bible and the bill of rights are about US rights which are completely mutually exclusive. There is no connection with xianity and the USA other than the FF were glad to get away from gov't forced xianity. We do have a secular gov't that has nothing to do with xianity. Where do you find any correlation of xianity to the Bll of rights cause I've read it and there is nothing about jc/xianity in the bill of rights.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist The Bill of Rights reflects the Christian heritage of our nation. The idea of human dignity, that we are created in the image of God, forms the theological basis for human equality and our core principle of liberty (Genesis 1:27, Leviticus 25:10, Matthew 25:40, Mark 12:31). The fundamental basis of religious freedom in human nature secures our rights and limits government. There is a higher authority than civil authority, the laws of God.
nef2442 1 year ago
@nef2442 That's nice but the bible also says we are sinners so you extract what you wish to see in the bible to make it fit. The bible condones slavery indicating some are to be enslaved and not equal. There is no god so luckily we have civil law to live by because if we lived by the bible we'd stone people to death because the bible is archaic.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist Show me in the Bible where it PRESCRIBES slavery? The very book of Exodus uses slavery as the pretext of what evil is!
Our entire system of American jurisprudence was based on the Bible. Our entire government was framed around the Bible. Our tripartite system was developed in honor of the Trinity. Etc. William Blackstone's Common Law of England was one of the greatest influences, and Blackstone simply believed that if a law contradicted the Bible than it was an unjust law.
nef2442 1 year ago
@nef2442 How does freedom of speech and freedom of religion not violate have no other gods before me and taking the lords name in vain is against the 10 C? The 3 part system of offices is called checks and balances to deny tyranny, not because of the trinity. "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. (Ex 21:7-10)
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist "how does freedom of speech not violate" Political Theorist Edmund Burke believed... Life fire, freedom is good if it is kept under control... "When a man sells his daughter as a slave"... Name me one community or culture on the planet during the Iron Age that did not sell their children into slavery? Here God is instructing the Israelites on how to deal with a prevalent issue within a global institution. God was against this institution if you actually took the time to read.
nef2442 1 year ago
@nef2442 which is where the bible belongs...in the Iron age not the 21st century.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist I meant "LIKE FIRE" on my last post to you i committed a typo. BTW if you read how God truly felt about slavery by reading the Scriptures you would understand that the point you are trying to make is taking Ex21:7-10 out of context. Take your postmodern glasses off and try to understand you are reading about a period during the Iron age over a millennia B.C.
nef2442 1 year ago
@nef2442 You nor I have any idea how any god feels, just men that make up stories about what god is like. Try taking your ancient fairy tale in context, it's plagiarized mythology.
TXatheist 1 year ago
@TXatheist The way you think is plagiarized mythology, lol!
nef2442 1 year ago
@TXatheist FF were also greatly influenced by the philosopher J. Locke. He wrote in his Two Treatises on Government of 1690: "God, as King David says (Pm 115:16), has given the earth to the children of men, given it to mankind in common" (II, 5). Locke argued that people were born with certain natural rights to life, liberty, and property, and that gov's are formed to protect the rights of the people When gov's fail to protect these rights, tyranny results, and the people have the right to rebel
nef2442 1 year ago
I'm just glad I don't live in this state. It is filled with ignorance, racism, fear and hatred. This is NOT a christian nation. The Founders deliberately left "christ" and christians out of the founding documents - knowing they were troublemakers who would turn our country into a little "England" where religion was legislated. Well, Texas has done it anyway. Sorry bunch of fearful saps, for sure.
172677 1 year ago
what a bunch of freaks!!!
watch123456 1 year ago
Seperation of Church and State.
Why?
To thwart Praemunire...the insertion of govt within govt to the benefit of papal process and at the expense of base liberty.
This thrall needs to read the words of the Founders...not the ramblings of her tiny mind.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
@abbesieyes
First of all, there is no legal separation of church and state. Show it to me. You can't because it's not there. Secondly, there was a variety of texts of a religious nature used in schools in this country prior to the early 20th century and the state of Massachussetts actually had an official religion for a long time that went completely unchallenged. This concept of a separation is a 20th century myth. It never existed.
gamewizard 1 year ago
You are busted. Your liberal agenda is toast...criticizing your own Justice Earl Warren, not realizing your mistake.
Liberals eat their own. Conservatives are on the rise.
I predict a political bloodbath in the General Election, Nov. 2, 2010...be there!!!
dgdeckard 1 year ago
THIS IS GREAT - WHAT AN AWESOME PLACE TO WORK.
OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON CHRISTIANITY.
OUR LORD AND SAVIOR - JESUS CHRIST WILL ONE DAY COME
AND IT COULD BE SOON AND IF YOU BELIEVE YOU WILL BE
TAKEN HOME TO HEAVEN.
gloyahoo 1 year ago
@gloyahoo Well, your wrong and demonstrably so. The US is not and never was founded on Christianity. You better go read the treaty of tripoli signed by John Adams.
jwissick 1 year ago
@jwissick
Well, duh! The Treaty of Tripoli was written to appease MUSLIM PIRATES plundering US shipping and the US navy was not strong enough at that time to stop it. Don't you think they would say just about anything to get the piracy to stop? It's called diplomacy and it's based on lies and deception and always has been.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard ROFL! I love you fundies! You make such good BS lies when you get cornered! Senate's ratification was only the third recorded unanimous vote. The Tripolitan War was just 4 years later and the battle of Derne was one of the most decisive victories the US has ever had. "From the Halls of Montazuma to the shores of Tripoli"... Yeah. That battle.
jwissick 1 year ago
@jwissick
"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
George Washington
Doesn't sound like an atheist to me.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@jwissick
The Treaty of Tripoli was 1796-1797. The First Barbary War did not take place until 1801-1805 and the second in 1815. How does a treaty signed BEFORE the war have anything to do with the war that came after?
gamewizard 1 year ago
@jwissick
"American ships sailing in the Mediterranean chose to travel close to larger convoys of other European powers who had paid tribute to the pirates. Payments in ransom and tribute to the Barbary states amounted to 20% of United States government annual expenditures in 1800"
Real brave and powerful navy we had in 1800 that cowered behind the ships of the European fleets and the government paying 20% of their total annual budget to appease the Barbary pirates.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@jwissick
The navies of England, France, Spain, and Portugal had been battling the Barbary pirates for 300 years. If they couldn't stop them, what hope did a new nation like the US have? The Constitution had only just been ratified 4 years earlier. Do you really think they could build a navy more powerful than the Europeans in just 4 years? Why would the US still be paying tribute to the Barbary pirates until the end of the Second Barbary War in 1815 if they could wipe them out any time?
gamewizard 1 year ago
@gamewizard Rgardless the us was not in any way founded on the Christian religion.
jwissick 1 year ago
"THE ALAMO STAND" The Great Awakening on Christian land governed by Christian principles.
The Republic is under the protector hand of Almighty God "Jesus Crist"
RobertRobls 1 year ago
Highly disturbing
Krivc89 1 year ago
In JESUS name I pray you bless Cynthia Dunbar. She is truly fighting evil in Texas. Thoses who cannot stand the name of JESUS I rebuke you....and to thoses who just want us CHRISTIANS to go away.....were going to very soon....I pray in JESUS name you get saved....
jarnazzi1969 1 year ago 3
This is great .All you libs don't realize she is reading a prayer pinned by a Liberal Judge from the SCOTUS...Justice Warren.
rockthejungle 1 year ago 4
Hallelujah - this brought tears to my eyes!!
Praise Our Almighty Saviour!!!
I would be so grateful working in such a place!
And for all the despicable comments here, Jesus is about to return, and you will face the Great Tribulation. At that time you might want to reflect and turn to The Only One who can save you, Jesus Christ.
UriahHeep100 1 year ago 4
@UriahHeep100 Oh dear. Your comment made me laugh and also brought tears to my eyes!
To think that in this great scientific and technological age, we have people who, apparently educated, are getting themselves wet between the legs over some MYTHical story and the belief that one day, this man will return to save them.From what?
Yourself I 'd wager.
I wonder when the rest of the rational world is finally going to start locking people up that display all the sings of delusion/schizophrenia?
HitMeWithIt 1 year ago
The Constitution was based on the philosophies of the Enlightenment, not on religion. It sounds like the people who are deciding what's in our history textbooks have never read one themselves.
PirikaProductions 1 year ago
@PirikaProductions
The history textbooks have been corrupted by liberals since the early 20th century. Now, finally, the truth is going to come out.
gamewizard 1 year ago
Crazy people that take offense to her prayer had ought to research American History, because you sure arent learning it in public schools. America was founded on Christian Principles. The United States of America Supreme Court acknowledged this and agreed that this great country was a Christian Nation. The freedom to worship any way you want. Learn the facts!
Ajntb2Sli 1 year ago 3
@Ajntb2Sli You couldn't be more wrong. You need to read the treaty of Tripoli.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen;
This was signed and rattified by the founding fathers. So your claim is demonstrably false.
jwissick 1 year ago
@jwissick I never said the US was founded on the Christian religion. You need to listen to what people say before you spew your thoughts. I said it was founded on Christian principles. Its you who are wrong. The main reason schools were established was to teach the Bible! Learn your history!
Ajntb2Sli 1 year ago
@Ajntb2Sli But those principals are not uniquely christian and existed far earlier than the 1st century. You can call those principals athiestic, roman, or Greek as well.
jwissick 1 year ago
I couldn't disagree more with that. our established Federal Judicial system is founded on Judeo/christian statues. A lot of the signers of the Declaration of Indepence has Seminary degree's and a lot of the inventions were developed with Christian principles.
Ajntb2Sli 1 year ago
@Ajntb2Sli Could you be any vaguer? "No it was all about the bible I promise!"
twinxor 1 year ago
@Ajntb2Sli Seminary degree = Christian? Since when? Did you know that the majority of pastors leave the faith within 10 years of graduation? The values of this country are not unique to christianity; that's a fact. Jefferson was no christian. Neither were Franklin, John adams, Paine, ethan Allen, or Madison. Washington was not public on his faith. That the US was founded on Christian values is just fundie bull crap and an attempt to rewrite history.
jwissick 1 year ago
@Ajntb2Sli - if you sincerely believe that the USA was founded on 'Christian principles', then you ought to be able to tell us... specifically... WHAT 'Christian principles'... BESIDES gullibility, self-deception, self-delusion, irrationality, willful ignorance, intellectual dishonesty, lies, deceit, sophistry, hypocrisy, and toxic, drooling stupidity, that is.
DuckPhup 1 year ago
@jwissick
A treaty written to appease Muslim pirates hardly qualifies as support for your position. The US government would have said anything to get the pirates to stop because the US navy couldn't stop them at that time.
gamewizard 1 year ago
@Ajntb2Sli Idiot. The country was NOT founded on christian principles.
HitMeWithIt 1 year ago
You know, I'd like to think that I'm not a violent person, but these people need to be tried and thrown in prison. At the very least a mental institution. The republic is dead folks.
icantfindanamex86 1 year ago
@icantfindanamex86
No, the Republic has been on life support for the last 100 years and is now waking from it's coma.
gamewizard 1 year ago
History has already been rewritten...
ziradith 1 year ago
So why the hell didn't anyone speak at 0:45 on ward?
Great example of why religious whack jobs shouldn't be giving public prayers. It is not WWJD.
robertmike57 1 year ago
It is getting harder and harder to live here. I no longer tell people who don't already know that I am from Texas. My son is about to graduate from high school, thank the moon and stars, but I sure feel for those kids and the teachers.
cparagraphs 1 year ago
@cparagraphs
Don't like it? Move.
gamewizard 1 year ago
This is happening t