Jehovah's Witnesses: Children of the Devil

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Jehovah's Witnesses and their victims cult- Свидетели Иеговы

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[megthepearl]

Oh common, this is old stuff.

There are 4 salvations. One heavenly resurrection, 2 earthly resurrections, and a 'live' earthly salvation. Enough to accommodate saving all if all wanted.

Jehovah's Witnesses go door to door because we ' don't ' think we're better than others. Please open them. Our historic quest for truth has been blessed. Regards

[bsp256]

@megthepearl I have a sneaking suspicion you didn't watch the video. If you did watch it, you definitely didn't grasp what I was saying. You are either born again, or you're a child of the devil. Pick one.

I'd love to have a conversation with you, but after responding to dozens of comments from Jehovah's Witnesses who are too scared to actually have a conversation, I'm not going to get my hopes up.

[jmoonsuede]

Jehovahs witness is nothing more than a CULT

[reikiessence11]

No, 144,000 go to heaven and rule over paradise on earth.

P.S I am not a JW, but get your facts straight !

[bsp256]

@reikiessence11 First, I don't know what that has to do with the topic (I've said that in the comments many times now). If you're not born again, and not adopted as a child of God, then you're dead in your sin and a child of the devil. I don't think children of the devil will be rewarded for eternity anywhere.

Secondly, you're wrong about the 144k. The Watchtower teaches that Old Testament saints are dead like dogs, and awaiting resurrection to paradise earth. Matt 8:11 says otherwise.

[776AD]

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[776AD]

Yet, Jehovah's Witnesses' philosophy divides God's people into two Castaic groups. The privileged class: 144 000, and the inferior class: the great multitude, which is not privileged to go up to heavens. The Holy Bible tells: "And if you belong to Christ, the

[776AD]

I think, the 144000 of Revelation 7:3-8 and the oχλoς πoλυς -"many crowd'' or " Great Multitude" are the same group of God's followers. At first, presented as a symbolic 144 000, then literary as a great multitude.

[1234chrizzie]

U IDIOT!!! 144 thousand refering to the ones in his kingdom....get the facts right

[bsp256]

@1234chrizzie So all the non anointed Jehovah's Witnesses are not in His kingdom? Who's kingdom are they in? Also, you should think twice about name calling.

1 Peter 3:15 says, "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect..."

And by the way, I don't think you answered the objection in this video. If you do, and you can show that I'm misunderstanding, I'll take this video down.

[Uliucer]

The Bible does not teach that you need to be born again to be a child of God. They are the only ones that are born again and will rule in heaven with Jesus Christ when the time comes, but the others are also children of God, they will simply live on Earth in Paradise after the resurrection, not in heaven. All are children of God though, being born again is a different matter.

[bsp256]

@Uliucer Did you watch the video and read the verses I cited? If I'm wrong, prove it to me with the Bible. You didn't bother citing one verse. I'm not interested in your opinion, but what the Bible says.

Also, you don't even agree with Watchtower teaching. They're the ones who say that the non-144,000 JWs are not children of God. I provided the quotes from them that say that.

Please read John 1:12-13 and let's continue this conversation.

[kyla15728]

wat would you say that is not true



[bsp256]

@kyla15728 I have no idea what you're trying to say.

[kyla15728]

J.W ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL..... THEY DONT REFLECT THAT THEY ARE ,,,,AND IF THEY DID =...THEY WOULD BE DOIN BAD STAFFF

[bsp256]

@kyla15728 Do you think the Pharisees, whom Jesus accused of being children of the devil (John 8), were doing bad stuff? Do you have any response to the content of the video? Do you want to provide an alternative interpretation of the verses I cited? It seems pretty obvious to me. Study the Bible and provide a refutation.

[776AD]

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[nowhereEnvironment]

Hmm.. if Jesus was created, then Noone was there at the first time. Only Jehovah.

But do you believe God is eternity and God is love ? God never change ?

if He is, then Who does He loves ? or Who did He love, before everything else created?

[BonnoUK]

I say to you a third time.. show me where in the wt it says im not born again.. It is you that makes this conclusion. Surely the ministry work carried out by the Jws should be the evidance of fine fruit that bares witness to this. Im debating this video.. not what the watchtower says. Your claim is JWs are children of the devil 'In YOUR conclusion' of one watchtower article! You should pay more attention to yourself that you dont become a stumbling block. Who really is born again?

[bsp256]

@BonnoUK I've represented the WT accurately with the quotes I've provided. If you think I'm being inaccurate, please provide evidence, and I'll delete my 2 videos on this topic. The April 1, 2009 Watchtower has a multi-page article on this topic, and pages 7-8 make it clear that only the 144,000 rule with Christ, and only they are born again.

[bsp256]

@BonnoUK

The JWs I've discussed this with in the past have said they're not born again, because they're not going to heaven (John 3:3), since they're not of the 144,000. Don't believe what I tell you, look it up for yourself.

I realize that the WT doesn't teach that you're a child of the devil. However, they clearly teach that you're not a child of God. If you're not God's child, you're a child of Satan. There is no other possibility.

[bsp256]

@BonnoUK Have you had a chance to read any Watchtower articles I've cited?

[bsp256]

@BonnoUK I'm sure you're busy, but I'm still awaiting your refutation of my videos. If my videos are false, and I'm misrepresenting JW doctrine, I don't want my videos to be up for one more minute. On the other hand, if you've verified that I've represented their doctrines accurately, I'd love to hear what you're thinking.

[nachis3]

@BonnoUK I will tell you who is born again. Anyone who surrenders to Jesus Christ by calling on His name. Jesus will manifest Himself to you as written in John 14:21, and He will by the power of the Holy Spirit do this. Ezek 36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27.I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

[BonnoUK]

Find me somewhere in the watchtower that teaches that I am not born again given what I have said to you. Do I need a man to say that I am saved? Your thinking is fleshly. I dont say that to be meen. Do we as christians not follow the apostles examples as they lived in christ? Given what I have said to.. 'if I shed an old personality and took on a new one when I got baptized in Christs name.. am I not born again?'

[bsp256]

@BonnoUK Why are you debating with me? It sounds like we agree that the WT is wrong. All who believe Jesus is the Christ are born again. Your quarrel is with the WT.

Whether you and your fellow JWs are born again seems like an extremely important issue. I don't think this is something you can agree to disagree with them on.

I'd say you have 2 choices. Go convince your leaders at the Kingdom Hall that you're all born again, or leave the organization.

[BonnoUK]

"Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God" So how are witnesses children of the devil? You would do well in your chistian faith 'if thats what you have' to spend you time more wisely

[bsp256]

Please watch the video again. The Watchtower teaches that the non-144,000 JWs (about 99%) are not children of God. Whose children are they? There's only 2 possibilities for all humans. We're either children of God or of the devil.

That is 'what I have' and it's devastating to the JW belief system. If you're like all other JWs, you'll never respond to this comment, because you have no defense. I hope you'll leave that organization and find the true Christ who will make you a child of God.

[BonnoUK]

Well I am a JW and I follow Christ not the watchtower.. so I refer you again to the "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God" Also if I shed an old personality and took on a new one when I got baptized in Christs name.. am I not born again? The Will of the father is to preach the Good news of the kingdom.. not make anti JW videos on youtube.. Use your time more wisley for it is short!

[bsp256]

@BonnoUK Are you one of the 144,000? If you're not, the Watchtower teaches that you're not a child of God and you're not born again. If you disagree with their doctrine, maybe you should argue with them--not with me. I'd be happy to provide you with more quotes from Watchtower materials if you're not familiar with their teaching on this topic.

[teddet87]

this guy is clearly confused.

[bsp256]

Please help me out. Where and how am I confused?

[7PeerLeSs]

that makes sense, because the watchtower teachs that, and the question is?

if the bible says that only the born-again are children of God from the Bible, and the wachtchwoter teaches the majority of zj is not born again, the question is who is the father? The God of the Bible is it not, because they ar not born again....

[DavidVelezPerez]

The Seventh-Day Adventists are children of the devil too!

[bsp256]

There are a lot of Baptists, Pentecostals and whatever that are children of the devil. Everyone who is not born again is a child of the devil. I'd say 90% of Americans are children of the devil, because they're not born again. Thanks.

[DavidVelezPerez]

I'm just curious. What does it mean to be "born again."

[bsp256]

Jesus said no one can go to heaven unless they're born again (John 3:3). We're born once from our mothers, but we are born spiritually dead (Eph 2:1). We must be born again spiritually, or raised to life spiritually (Eph 2:5), which God receives all the credit for.

We are all born children of the devil, but God adopts us into His family to make us His children when we are born again (John 1:12-13).

The Roman Catholic teaching on born again is different from what the Bible teaches.

[DavidVelezPerez]

I didn't ask you to attack people's faith, I asked you what born again is. Now please answer how do you believe can be "born again." Or what does the Bible supposedly teach?

[bsp256]

Whose faith did I attack? Certainly if it's OK for you to say SDAs are children of the devil, nothing I said is an attack, unless you hold yourself to a lower standard than you hold others.

I think I adequately explained what 'born again' means. If there's something specific I can clarify, I'd be happy to do so.

We are born again when God raises us from the dead. There is nothing we can do to earn his favor, or convince Him to make us born again. It has nothing to do with baptism or communion.

[DavidVelezPerez]

Then why do you believe that we are saved by faith alone when James 2:14-26.

[DavidVelezPerez]

says it's not?

[bsp256]

A fruit tree produces fruit. It doesn't produce fruit to become a fruit tree. It produces fruit because it is a fruit tree.

Christians do good deeds because they are Christians--not to become Christians. If someone says they are a Christian, but don't have good deeds, we can know they're lying or confused.

We've broken God's law by lying, stealing, blaspheming, etc. Good deeds don't make up for sin. Only the blood of Jesus can pay for our sins, and He has paid the full price.

[DavidVelezPerez]

Okay, while you talk about trees I'm going back to worshipping Christ in my religion. Which is the only one God founded bye bye and God bless. Hope you find Jesus.

[bsp256]

I will continue to talk about trees as Jesus did (Matt 7).

I answered your questions in good faith, and you ignored all my questions. If I had to judge you by your fruit, I'd say you're bearing the fruit of hypocrisy and pride. Those are not the fruits of a Christian.

If you hope to be justified on the basis of your behavior on Judgment Day, you will fall short and spend eternity in hell. Trust in Jesus alone, not any of your own good deeds which are nothing more than filthy rags (Is. 64:6).

[DavidVelezPerez]

Trust in Jesus, huh? Hmmm, I wonder who I've been worshipping these past few years of my life! I already accept Jesus. Hello why would I talk about God, Jesus, and the Bible if I didn't?

[bsp256]

If you say that you must do something to be saved (reject salvation by grace alone through faith alone) you aren't trusting in Jesus alone. You are trusting in Jesus PLUS your own good deeds.

If you aren't trusting in Jesus alone, you are rejecting His full payment and saying you must add something to His work on the cross, which is blasphemy.

You must repent of your self-righteousness and trust Jesus alone, or you will spend eternity in the lake of fire. Your attempt at bribery is a sin.

[bsp256]

You've broken God's law by lying, stealing, lusting, etc. You're a guilty criminal (and I'm sure I've done much worse), who must be punished. You have nothing to offer the Judge of the universe. You deserve the infinite penalty, and the only way out of that is to offer an infinite payment.

Jesus either paid for your sins or he didn't.

[DavidVelezPerez]

Wow, thanks for your encouraging words. I really needed to be insulted. And I told you before I ACCEPT CHRIST. Are you blind did you not read that?

[bsp256]

What does you accepting Christ have to do with anything? Jesus doesn't need your acceptance. You need His acceptance. There is nothing in the Bible about "accepting Jesus."

Do you reject salvation by grace alone through faith alone? Do you think you have to do something to be saved? If you answer yes to any of those questions, you aren't trusting in Jesus alone. You are rejecting His payment for your sin, and saying you must add something to His work. I don't know how else to explain it.

[DavidVelezPerez]

The Bible says not the by faith alone. So why should I believe something the Bible says is false.

[bsp256]

You've chosen 1 verse you like at the expense of dozens of other verses. Check out Ephesians 2:8-10. We are saved as a gift to do good works. Those who are saved do good works. You don't get saved by doing good works.

James was saying that if someone says they're a Christian, but doesn't have good works, they're lying. Check out 1 John 3.

If I told you I'm a vegetarian while eating a hamburger, you'd know I'm lying. A Christians who doesn't act like a Christians is confused or lying.

[bsp256]

You don't understand the gospel. You've broken God's law by lying, stealing, etc. Guilty lawbreakers MUST be punished, since God is holy and just.

We know that the penalty we've earned is infinite, because hell is eternal. The only payment that will satisfy God's justice is an infinite payment.

That is why Jesus is God, because only blood of infinite value can pay our penalty. Either Jesus paid for your sins or He hasn't. Mathematically, you can add nothing to Jesus' payment.

[bsp256]

What are you going to do about your sins? Are you born again by Jesus' definition?

[909kittykat]

not only the 144,000 are childern of god becuz john10:16 says that there are others in a seprate group that are also god children. and everyone has the chance to be god children becuz in John 3: 16 says that beucz god loved the humanity so much dat he gave his son so dat that they dont get disturiod , threrfor giving them CHANCE for eternal life.

[bsp256]

Hi,

Thanks for your comment. Are you a Jehovah's Witness or a Christian?

Thanks

[trinityteacher1]

Thank you for the courage to post this video. Jws have every right to disagree with us, and should have both sides to choose from.

[beroeanman]

Thank you... now read back through the entries I have posted.. and you will see that you have repeated what I have said.

Now, how is that Apostate?

Best wishes... perhaps you will convince bsp more if you backed up your statement with biblical text.

Glad you have calmed down.

[beroeanman]

Ask an active JW 1JW... riddles don't interest me...

Why don't you show some respect for others and just have the courtesy to answer bsp's enquiry? Answer: You can't ... because you are not a JW. Further you have no respect for others.

Now, if you don't mind, I have to concentrate on a patient with learning difficulties

You and he have the same mindset. Thankfully there are people out here who understand and offer help.

So, now where is your response to this video?

[beroeanman]

Looking forward to your response to this video then 1JW...

As I said if you were a JW you would not be here. Show some respect for bsp and answer his enquiry... and you can still enjoy persecuting me at the same time.

I'm a big boy.. I can take the hate.. par for the course in my profession. sigh.

[beroeanman]

What new belief do I have 1jw.. I don't attend any church.. just the memorial from time to time..

where is your reasoning to answer bsp's assertion? where are your scriptural references... and buddy... look through my comments.. they are the remnants of JW theology as I was taught.

Go on promoting hate as you will... you are no JW. If you were, you would not even be here.. would you?

[beroeanman]

Scrappy presentation 1JW.. no jw in good standing would even be here.. everyone knows that.

Apostate? Me? No way.. you go worship your craven image whilst I figure out how to repair my relationship with my God.

At least I admit it.. be my stumbling block if you will.

And by the way, no self respecting JW would enter another's discussion without a scriptural backing.

Here, I am actually bolstering the JW view.. so who is the Apostate 1JW.. You perhaps?

[beroeanman]

bsp.. do you honestly believe that anyone claiming to be an active JW on here is genuine?

I assure you no JW in good standing comes anywhere near YouTube.. I am only here because as my pseudonym implies.. I am searching.. again.

The abuse is par for the course and comes from the ill educated and illiterate.. who are unable to reason without tearing others apart.

Best wishes

[beroeanman]

.. thanks for praying for me 1JW, every little helps.

I left because I stumbled, like you did.. getting back on my feet is not easy.

Hope you get back on yours... best wishes

[bsp256]

I agree with beroeanman. Contribute a response.

Are you a child of the devil or are you a child of God?

[beroeanman]

A child of God.. thanks bsp.. are you my judge? have you taken up ruling with Christ before your time? You have to be raised up after your physical death before you are part of that heavenly kingdom, you know. Meanwhile the fine Shepherd does all the judging. Agreed?

[bsp256]

You're a child of God? Not according to the Watchtower or the Bible.

John 1:12-13: Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

Are you really born of God, and going to heaven?

[beroeanman]

I was baptized in the name of The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit..

I have no desire to go to heaven, I look forward to the New Earth according to his promise Thy Will be Done ON EARTH as it is in Heaven...

Shall we let the fine Shepherd be the judge of our destiny...? If you have been called, brag only in the Lord ... not to your brothers and sisters.. be humble and serve bsp.

Shalom to you

[bsp256]

Regardless of where you're going, you can only become a child of God by being born again. They are synonymous for the same analogy, which is presented many times and many ways in the Bible:

1. Getting a heart of flesh (Ezek. 36)

2. being adopted as God's child (John 1, Ro 8)

3. being born again/born of God (1 John, John 3, John 1)

4. passing from death to life (Eph 1)

5. Becoming a new creature (2 Cor. 5)

etc.

Prove to yourself what born again means from the Bible.

[bsp256]

Clearly you and I aren't getting anywhere. That's fine, because I don't want you to believe me. Believe only the Bible.

Rather than spend anymore time arguing with me, study the Bible on this topic. It may not be easy. It may take some time and effort, but if you truly seek to understand the Bible, you will understand. The truth in this matter is in that Book waiting for you to discover it.

[servant4JC]

You say you were baptized in the name of the father son and holy spirit. Where in the Bible does it say that?

[beroeanman]

Not sure if that question was for me servant4JC... Read Matthew 28:18-20 and all will become clear.. best wishes

[beroeanman]

Well if you are a bona fide JW.. friend.. why not contribute a response. I've been away now for over 25 years... so I can't defend anything other than the biblical message. Peace

[beroeanman]

Well have you read 1 Corinthians 15, bsp? I think you owe Jesus and JW's an apology.. why not withdraw this inappopriate video.. it incites to religious intolerance and hatred.

Not a Christian thing to do.

Best wishes

[bsp256]

1 Cor. 15 explains that when we go to heaven, we will have glorified bodies. It has nothing to do with anything we're discussing, whereas you have repeatedly ignored my questions. You are the one that must seek God and the truth on this matter. If you disprove my thinking, I will be very happy to remove it. This is really only another way of looking at my other video, "Why aren't JWs born again," which no one has disproven, either.

Let your indignation inspire you to study the Bible.

[beroeanman]

Re read 1 Corinthians 15 bsp.. maybe you will see that Jesus was the firstfruits in the resurrection... then when he returns, his own will follow... so please follow the scriptures and not your own understanding.

Best wishes

[bsp256]

You have offered nothing concerning the true topic of this video: What is the biblical classification of those who are not born again children of God?

I've offered an interpretation of 1 Cor. 15. Rather than disagreeing for emotional reasons, provide an exegesis of the passage, and I'll look at it. Is it really the most compelling evidence you have of 144k in heaven, and the rest on earth? Even if that's the case, are those on earth dead in their sin?

[beroeanman]

... you are in error.. you stated earlier on that the ancient faithful men and women of old were in heaven and born again...

so that is in line with the video... and you are in error according to 1 Corinthians 15.. I don't wish to labour the point.

You should give both Christ and the JW's an apology... nothing to do with me bsp.

May the Holy Spirit guide you to humility and apology... again nothing to do with me.

Best wishes

[bsp256]

I stated that the Old Testament saints are in heaven, because that is what the Bible says in Matt. 8:11 and Luke 13:28. You've provided no refutation of that other than your insistence.

I'm in error regarding 1 Cor. 15, but you won't tell me how. This is as pointless a conversation as I've ever had.

I hope you watch the video again, and try to investigate the claims, rather than just dismiss it for emotional reasons.

[beroeanman]

Agreed.. I have watched it... it makes no sense because your argument is fundamentally flawed.. I offer comment only because so few posters are even bothering.

And, that bsp is the reason why. The resurrection of the ancient faithfuls is still future... 1 Corinthians 15 shows it... friend

[bsp256]

If there is a future physical resurrection, does that preclude the dead from being in heaven right now?

[beroeanman]

... apparently most of the dead according to 1 Corinthians 15 are awaiting a resurrection, yes.. that is what Paul says bsp.

[bsp256]

All the dead are waiting for the physical resurrection. However, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the prophets are in heaven now (Matt. 8:11, Luke 13:28). Who else might be in heaven now?

Apparently there is some sort of shortcoming in our communication. I'm not really getting what you're explaining. I'll let you explain whatever you want, but hopefully you'll talk about what you might call those who are not children of God. You can have the last word.

Thanks for your time.

Bill

[beroeanman]

I don't want the last word Bill... you have completely missed the point about the Kingdom of God... "Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done, ON EARTH, AS IT IS IN HEAVEN"...

The faithful servants of old looked to an earthly hope under a Heavenly Administration.

That is what JW's teach and believe.. therefore they cannot be children of the Devil as you postulate.

I would rather believe the apostle Paul than your supposition.. that's all.

[bsp256]

Previously, you said, "nonsense.. the faithful men and women of old were not born again.. tell that to Abraham or David in the resurrection."

I replied, "They are born again, and they are in heaven right now (Matthew 8:11 and Luke 13:28)."

Why mischaracterize what I believe when I've already explained? They aren't children of the devil; they're born again.

This has little to do with heaven or paradise. You ignore my whole point. What do you call those who are not children of God?

[bsp256]

Here's what you need to do to disprove this video, and if you do, I'll apologize and remove it.

I know of 2 possibilities for every human from the Bible:

1. born again/child of God

2. not born again/child of the devil

If you can show me a third alternative from the Bible, you've disproven my video.

I've shown you what I believe from the Bible, and I need a biblical alternative. Anything else is a waste of time, and I won't bother to respond.

[beroeanman]

I need to prove nothing bsp.. your video is conjecture.

You need to be "born again" to receive the calling to share in ruling with Christ over the New Earth... you know this.

Not everyone is called.. if you wish to choose to ignore the whole purpose of the Kingdom arrangement.. go ahead, I agree, your video IS a waste of time, inflammatory and not of God.

Look at the vast audience it is drawing.. It says it all.

Enjoy the loneliness of your pulpit Bill.

Shalom

[bsp256]

All I've done is quote the Watchtower saying that only the 144k are children of God, and point out the implications for those who aren't born again. If I'm wrong that they're not children of the devil, feel free to give an alternative.

Beroeanman, YOU will not see the kingdom of God unless you are born again (John 3:3). Please think about it.

You're so dogmatic that I can't be right, but you offer zero alternatives. Either answer the question, or quit writing.

[beroeanman]

I think you have completely misunderstood the teaching of JW's on this matter, and frankly the conclusion you draw is absurd.

The Bible speaks clearly throughout of a "New Heavens and a New Earth" in which righteousness will dwell.

Those who are "born again" will rule with Jesus Christ..and those on Earth will be subject to that Kingdom arrangement.There remains two destinies for mankind.

If you an individual has been anointed to share in that heavenly kingdom that is a blessing indeed.

[bsp256]

What have I misunderstood? Maybe you can explain it to me.

Are you denying that we are dead in our sins, and children of the devil, and something happens to make us alive and adopted children of God? If you are not a child of God, what are you? How do you explain Matthew 8:11/Luke 13:28? Are all the Old Testament prophets counted in the 144,000?

Thanks

[beroeanman]

You have entirely misunderstood the teaching of JW's here.When I was an active JW it was explained clearly that there was a heavenly hope and an earthly one.

Whether you choose to believe that 144000 is an actual total or a symbolic number,the Bible distinguishes this set number from a "Great Crowd" which no man was able to number.

JW's teach that the prophets of old and this Great crowd will benefit as the children of God and live on a restored Paradise earth, ruled by Christ and 144,000

[beroeanman]

spirit anointed Christians... check 1 Corinthians 15 and Hebrews 11

All best wishes

[bsp256]

First of all, the great crowd is in heaven, (Rev. 19:1). The Bible talks about 2 groups of people: those who are dead in their sin, and those who are alive (Eph 2:1), those who are a child of God and those who are a child of the devil (1 John 3:10).

The Watchtower is the one who limits those who are born again children of God to the 144,000--not me.

I see nothing about Spirit anointed Christians in the chapters you cited. Only that OT saints hope for heaven (Heb 11:16).

[beroeanman]

You must take up your debate with Jehovah's Witnesses... but to say in your video that they are children of the Devil just because you have a difference in your understaning about our destiny .. is wrong

they accept Christ as much as you do.. it is in that area that you are entirely wrong.

Peace in the Lord

[bsp256]

Anyone who is not born again is a child of the devil. The Bible makes it clear. If you are not born again, you are a child of the devil. I'm only telling you what the Bible says.

[beroeanman]

nonsense.. the faithful men and women of old were not born again.. tell that to Abraham or David in the resurrection.

[bsp256]

They are born again, and they are in heaven right now (Matthew 8:11 and Luke 13:28).

Your biblical knowledge has been warped by the Watchtower. Read it and understand for yourself. Ask God to help you with a humble heart, and He will. You must be born again!

[beroeanman]

I suggest you read 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 again... Christ was the firstfruits from the dead and those chosen by him would be raised when he returned...

The faithful of old were very much "asleep" in death..

Not all of the faithful are to be in heaven for there are "a new heavens and a new EARTH awaiting according to his promise"... my mind has not been warped by the Watchtower.

It is just that I accept the whold Bible Hebrew and Greek Scriptures not just the bit you wish to focus on.