@tywainwright1 yeah true, but they started out from it, and gsp still uses some kyokushin in his fighting game, kyokushin is still a very well accepted style in the mma, its different from traditional martial arts, even if it is one, because it trains in full contact and has been proven to be effective. and the reason they do other things is because it doesn't hurt to understand the advantages of other techniques. just my opinion.
@mudkipzuzu Oh yes I agree completely! I am an MMA fighter but have studied 2 forms of karate as well and it does have its advantages, but there aren't many. I also agree that Kyokushin is on of the most effective, but I have a problem with the now head punches rule and no ground fighting, as well as weapon disarms (wich are also absent in MMA). I do believe you should study a multitude of styles, but the truth is, some styles are very inferior.
Most people actually do believe that Karate sucks now, what with all the McDojos, and the horribe movies and displays of un-realistic fighting and what-not. And most people have the infuriating tendancy to associate all TM's with Karate and Kung Fu and think they're all called by those two names. -_-. The worst part about Karate now is that it's become too recreational and sport oriented and not taught as real fighting.
One must differentiate between the McDojo/strip mall karate and karate which actually works. Kyokushin is one of the most effective hard styles, just ask Bas Rutten.
wish they did more "[martial art] sucks" month, i think they should do one for the jitsu foundation, there is more than enough video material out there :)
@EmperorCesar The Bullshido crew is no different from any other group claiming they know more than you. You can learn a lot from scientologist if you stic around the community, doesn't mean you'll learn anything valueable.
Of course, I always wonder if they're just taking a piss to feed the trolls. You can't research martial arts and know so little about them, so I wonder if they do this for fun just to see the response or if they're really as bias as they seem. Which is it?
@Super8astard You are correct, you can "learn" anything from anywhere, be it a good source or not. A good source of information is one like Bullshido- one that provides concrete, irrefutable proof to back up its claims. In the Martial Arts community, that is hard to come by. If you have your doubts, you are more than welcome to go over there discuss the issue with us. We will not silence your voice, right or wrong, as most MA communities would.
@EmperorCesar I can't deny they do have good points, but concrete irrefutable proof? All the ____ sucks month are nothing but smear campaigns. I used to go to the site all the time, but that was probably close to 10 years ago. Back when they took Ashida Kims challenge and he cried about it and backed out lol. Every time I try to register now the site goes down or something, I can't seem to complete it. I keep trying though, bound to work eventually.
@Super8astard The ____ Sucks month videos are to make fun of the practitioners in the MA community that practice "Bullshido". They deserved to be ridiculed for taking peoples money and giving their clients a false sense of security. We have plenty of respected people at Bullshido that train in traditional martial arts like Karate, the videos are in no way stating that we at Bullshido unanimously hate Karate as a whole. The above criticism is still valid to those in the video.
@EmperorCesar I guess that answers my earlier question.
And it would make sense if the content wasn't mostly movies. The cheesy movie shit is what makes the videos so funny, which is why I thought you guys were just taking a piss. There's plenty of fodder to throw in there from compition footage. All the sloppy point striking they try to pass off as full contact is just as funny, and would bring in some of that "concrete" proof far more than those flicks.
Oh, so Bullshido knows that Karate does have respectable schools and not everyone in Karate sucks at fighting, just some realy bad schools AKA Mc Dojos? I thought Bullshido was just saying MMA is the only real way to fight and that Traditional arts are all stupid and pointless... That's cool that they know that not ALL Karate schools are bad lol There's some awesome guys from Japan and even the UK have some great Karate guys.
Karate was popular in the 80's so tons of "karate" schools opened to grab market share. Same thing happened to TKD, hence creating McDojos. MMA is new and jujitsu has traditionally not been so popular until UFC, so this hasn't happened yet on the same scale. But give it time. Now that MMA is big, you'll start to see more jujitsu McDojos too. Doesn't make it a bad art, though. Just bad schools. Find an art YOU love and train at a GOOD school. Enough of all this bashing of different styles.
You are hopeless to discuss with, you proberly havent seen that many karate fights, typically you will have to look for older clips here on youtube to see some of the greater fighters...
@Troelsff No. Your argument is just hilariously pathetic with lack of any evidence. You try and sound smart by using unnecessarily large words and just come off looking like a fucking idiot. By the way dumbfuck its "probably" and when you used the word typically... it made no sense in that sentence. Karate is a worthless martial art...haha you sad that your rexkwondo classes aren't stopping you from getting bullied...haha
Karate does suck, is outdated, impractical and is mostly for kids only in the U.S. karate is just a self esteem/ fitness system for kids here. fighting? NOPE
Karate does suck, is outdated, impractical and is mostly for kids only in the U.S. karate is just a self esteem/ fitness system for kids here. fighting? NOPE
@freeconservative80 I dont know what your saying bro, I do karate and jjj for my stand-up. And then I got bjj for ground so whatever. My version of karate seems to work instead of all these fantasy videos on youtube.
@jamesellis33 what I'm SURE you do is actually kickboxing. do you chamber punches? do use the karate blocks when you spar or FIGHT? do you KIAAA when you spar?how about footwork? karate has no footwork, no evasion skills. when you fight/spar you're using kickboxong TYPE ,moves. I study Jeet Kune Do and we dont block tradirionally or chamber punches, there is only ONE stance and ALL of the techniques can be applied against somebody trying to whip your ass at real speed. the ultimate test.
@Troelsff you're either lying or have never been in a streetfight. people dont throw slow lunge punches and stand there and wait for you to counter. you couldn't use a karate block against a bad streetfighter. people throw PUNCHES, PLURAL not one telegaraphed lunge punch. be real man. and karate has ZERO footwork. you dont learn how to move. footwork by itself can save you. and there are NO EVASION skills. no slipping, no bob and weave, no parrying. you are misinformed or lying.
@Troelsff so as a karate trainee you train like a boxer? footwork, slipping puches, parrying, bob and weave? NO YOU DONT train that in karate. karate is reverse punch KIAAA!!!!! Kata, kumite deadness. even the live karate styles like Kyokushin look like kickboxing with a pajama costume. karate has no fighting value. why not just study kickboxing at a gym, thats how you'll fight/spar anyway.
@freeconservative80 Nothing wrong with Kyokushin or any other style of karate. I do it as my primary style and visit a Muay Thai gym on weekends for the extra sparring, took me all of two matches to get my head around clinches. Karate looks like kickboxing in pyjamas because kickboxing evolved from karate students wanting more sparring. Thai kickboxing came later and took the 'kickboxing' term. My only beef with most karate styles is that sparring in some schools can be rare.
@jamesellis33 dont get mad at him.. its just his opinion.. i doesnt matter what anyone thinks.. what matters is you know that your are good at you respect your martial art. dont worry about them, you are backed up with the deadly skills of karate
@bobo4451 I'm not mad. I'm just saying people can cross train and incorparate other techniques. I'm trying to develop a type of Karate that uses stand up that transitions to ground techniques when necessary. But, aside from this I really like your name its pretty funny. Bobo ^^
I realize after seeing this a few times, if you cant laugh at your Martial art than you shouldn't be practicing it. LOL this shit is pretty funny, and IM A KARATE GUY WHO OWNS A SCHOOL. HAHA! I still love Karate...
Bullshido also ran a "Karate Rules Month" in honor of those karateka who do actual hard sparring. I think this is pretty much aimed at the McDojo schools alone.
Just like the TKD sucks video, this is just for fun, parody, innocent joke if you will.
It's a reflection on all the BS commercialized McDojos out there, and watered down useless punch and kick throwing, we call Krotty. For example, all kata, no kumite.
You should because Kyokushin is NOT what is depicted here. Bullshido loves Kyokushin because there are virtually no KK mcdojos anywhere in the world. All the rest of the karate styles in the world, on the other hand, look like what you see in this clip. There's a reason almost half of the K1 fighters and many MMA fighters are Kyokushin guys while the only practitioner of another kind of Karate out there who has actually done well is Machida.
That's what i mean. Kyokushin and the rest of the knockdown offshoots are the only traditional striking arts that actually work and train you as hard, if not harder, than Muay Thai.
@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe Yeah exactly. I would be training Kyokushin if there was a place anywhere near me, but I'll settle for Muay Thai. The KK rule set is debatable whether it's more effective than the MT one, but they have been known for beating MT fighters fairly consistently since Kyokushin began. All other Karate is 90% LARPing as far as I'm concerned.
"lol there are not kyokushin fighters in MMA, maybe they're afraid of face punching!"
Yeah, that's why they dominate K1 and have been regularly defeating Muay Thai fighters under MT rules for the past 60 years. Because they hate face punching. Oh wait a minute...
@Ljenkins9000 Lol, what about eht Kyokushin fighters in MMA? There are how many of them in UFC, for example? Maybe you will say GSP but he uses more of wrestling and boxing and has a JJ tatto in his chest.
"Lol, what about eht Kyokushin fighters in MMA? There are how many of them in UFC, for example?"
There have been quite a few. Some notable big ones like Bas Rutten and to a lesser extent GSP. Each have credited all of their stand up to their KK training in the past. There are a few others, and we used to see a lot more in the early UFC days, but now you see it more in the Japanese MMA orgs than in the UFC.
Then there's K1 where something like 60% of the fighters are Kyokushin guys.
@Ljenkins9000 Bas got his start in Taekwondo, then moved onto karate; but he is first and foremost a thai kickboxer, like most of the Dutch strikers. There are no pure kyokushin guys in k-1 or k-1 max.
@RebelWrestler45 Dutch Kickboxing first evolved out of Kyokushin Karate actually, and Bas has a third degree black belt in it.
"There are no pure kyokushin guys in k-1 or k-1 max."
Yes, I'm sure they'd have to supplement some Boxing in with it these days, but what you're saying is like discrediting how everybody in the UFC does BJJ:
"Well, they also do Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai, etc., so you can't say they do BJJ at all."
Hey I think these videos are hilarious as much as the next person but Karate and any martial art practiced properly is decidedly not shit. I dare you to go up to a Kyokushin practitioner and say that, you would have your ass soundly handed to you in a nicely crafted wicker basket. I think we can all agree that Mcdojo's as well as any individual peddling garbage money making scheme martial arts are a stain on the undies of humanity but don't count short what you don't know about
Kyokushin Karate is BAD ASS! this was their failed attempt on mocking a Martial Art! HAHAHAAHAAHAH!!!! they STFUPD when they actually looked at it! :)
but they are right about the other Martial Arts like Wing Chun LMAO
sport karate and mma are sports, and you can't compare them. Do you compare pole vault to long jump? And the real non sport karate is much more than just beating up your opponent and then going to the rare naked choke. Mma is cool and everything but mocking traditional arts doesn't make your penises bigger.
"sport karate and mma are sports, and you can't compare them"
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No, you can compare them because they each have the same goal of teaching a person to fight well. MMA is the only proving ground there is for a martial art. I guess MMA type fighting was ok for karate guys in the movies like Bloodsport, but in real life most TMA guys somehow think there's something magical anti-TMA about getting into a cage and actually fighting.
Man its all that fake Americanized Karate bull shit, thats making Karate look bad..Lol i've been studying Shorin-Ryu, And Ryu-Te which are Karate styles...And I still found this funny because its freakin true xD those are all people who study the Americanized b-s stuff, and look how bad they are, I wish they'd just realize that they should teach it the way it was suppose to be taught, not freakin change it up to make it flashy or else you'll look like the people in the video. =p
"Man its all that fake Americanized Karate bull shit, thats making Karate look bad..Lol i've been studying Shorin-Ryu, And Ryu-Te which are Karate styles"
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No it's 95% of all Karate that isn't Kyokushin Karate. Even the arts you mentioned are 95% BS throughout the world.
@Ljenkins9000 Well out of the 95% I found the 5% thats real. And I know that everywhere teaches BS techniques, just look up the video two of the Worst martial arts techniques in the world, and you'll see that some of the BS that gets taught
It's really funny how they completely overlook any clips concerning kyokushin, seidokaikan, shinkyokushin, ashihara, daidojuku or any of the other full contact styles, yeah try to make karate look like it sucks whith any videos of those styles.
I LOVE IT how people reference machida 24/7. All those millions of practitioners and only a few become half decent..... who gives a shit, it was bound to happen with millions of practitioners. meanwhile the other arts have hundreds of notable fighters who molest karate blackbelts for break fast.
"I LOVE IT how people reference machida 24/7. All those millions of practitioners and only a few become half decent"
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Hey, Machida fights the way we USED to believe karate guys fought before UFC 1 happened. Just let us keep jacking off to Machida in peace.
Seriously though, I wonder how long until there will be a Machida of Wing Chun or a Machida of Kung Fu (unless Cung Le counts for that last one) and of all the other mostly useless yet ever-mystical Asian martial arts.
@jockstrappers Quite frankly, Machida is a great fighter. You have to focus on his Karate background to somehow reinforce your line of thinking. There is nothing wrong with saying that a fighter uses what works. That shows that he adapts to the situation and uses intelligence plus skill to meet the needs of the fight.
@del1000005 Good point. I remember that time when he said "Machida Karate is back!" the most though, which is why I believe he still sticks to his Shotokan roots.
Since when karate suck? Is me or Machida is actually using karate as primary striking style ? People who are doing MMA are just fraud... They generally do not have other exposure then MMA(which is in fact BJJ and Muya thai). They just accept that package to be the ultimate fighting style . Everybody know , at a certain extent, that the fighter skills is more important than the style it self. Machida is the perfect exemplar of that.
@jambi99 But Machida is a mixed martial artist, and Karate is not his primary martial art. The man is a BJJ black belt and studies Muy Thai religiously. The only thing "karate like" about his fighting skill is his kicks. Stated simply, he uses MMA, not Karate. This is not an insult to karate, but a simple truth about current martial arts. You need to use what works, and that means combining martial arts.
@del1000005 Get your facts straight. Lyoto Machida's primary style IS karate, and this is way evident in his stance the position of his fists in a fight. Besides that, his father is the head of the Brazilian Shotokan Association and he earned his blackbelt in Karate when he was 13. Where'd he learn muay thai idk, maybe in a place called yourimaginationland.
@jockstrappers Why do Karate people get so angry when, God forbid, you say Machida is a well-balanced fighter using what works in the situation. That's a compliment to him.
Yes, he is a black belt in Karate. Yes, he is a BJJ black belt. He also studies muy thai, sumo, and wrestling. You can check it out on his own biography.
The very fact that you need to defend karate so much should tell you something about not only karate, but your mental state.
@del1000005 Hmmm, that depends. Well, there are entire schools of Wushu with lots of styles in China (Shaolin Pai, Wudang Pai, Emei Pai) so, in a way, they mix different martial arts as well (not all the styles in these schools were invented by them, some were adapted, but that's a no-brainer).
But yeah, you're right, you're not very well-off with a single style, since everyone overlooks something. I study Wudang Pai, and there's not one fight taken to the ground there. Nasty weak point.
I studied traditional shuri ryu karate for 7 years, was a national champion, and realized in high school that karate overall is shit compared to western boxing and muay thai. 1 year of boxing > 20 years of karate. I also wrestled since 6 years old and was a 3 time state champ...not sure why my parents got me in to karate during that time frame, but a lot of it had to do with the fact that boxing/kickboxing and jiu jitsu schools weren't around or atleast boxing was only in poor communities
@NeeMaHow The only thing that is wrong with most of karate school is the training method. Do you know why Muay thai is so good ? Because of is training method and the realistic empahis put in it. That is particular to muay thai and boxing. Most of tradionnal martial arts school don't train realistically. Once again, its not the style that is important, but more the figther skills and the way he train...
YMAS is all fun and games till they do it to your martial arts system! God damn hahahaha that one video with the screaming bald guy had me in tears of laughter.
Aw snap! BJJ beats karate! In real life, guys use knives,. There may be broken glass or other unsavory debris on the ground. That's why if I AM assaulted, I would like to stay far away and off the ground during my initial defense. Boxing is all I really need. That, and a good push kick. And running speed to avoid his friends/ or the police.
Look at Machida! The motherfucker is spent! His own dad wants him to retire. Karate allows you a short burst of success until you reach the level of Spiritual God Warrior and got the shit kicked out of you in someone named Billy Joe's studio.
Don't get ur panties in a bunch karatekas, they did have a BJJ sucks month as well as TKD, Wing Chun, JKD and a few others. I think they actually have a bit more of respect for karate than most TMAs due to styles like Kyokushin.
@Ljenkins9000 Yer right Even Bruce lee abandoned Wing Chun for Muay Thai. Even Today Chinese People used Sanshou in MMA Rather than any TMA Martial arts or Kung fu systems.
@stonewindimmortal I would say Shotokan is as traditional as it gets, and Machida done pretty well so far. Liddell from a Kempo & kickboxing background had his day, even Tank Abbott did well against other fighters before mma went mainstream and cross training became the order of the day.
@DW01 Yeah but machida and Chuck Fought in MMA and made their skills match the sport. I'm talking about Karate concepts vs Karate concepts only. You will be murdered by kickboxers. I didnt even know how to kick with my shins and knee properly till I went to Kickboxing. So MMA Karate is a new thing.
@stonewindimmortal I refer back to my original post on this thread/vid - fighting is mainly down the individual not necessarily the style.
Example: You could have a black belt BJJ fighter or an experienced kickboxer - however if you put them in against an opponent that has better awareness and can think like a chess player, several steps ahead, chances are the latter fighter would win.
I agree that kickboxing is a very good style and mixing it with a little understanding of grappling is excelnt
"I refer back to my original post on this thread/vid - fighting is mainly down the individual not necessarily the style."
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The problem with this is that if we take a thousand style vs style matchups, we can reasonably predict 95-99% of the outcomes. Style has always been the determining factor in these kinds of fights.
"I'm talking about Karate concepts vs Karate concepts only. You will be murdered by kickboxers."
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Kickboxing actually evolved out of Karate, thanks to Joe Lewis. The first kickboxing matches pitted point sparring champions against each other who had rarely, if ever, actually tried to knock their opponents out before. Needless to say, it looked like a big mess, a lot like the first UFCs. Pretty interesting though.
@DW01 Tank Abbott was actually a high school wrestler who did a little boxing. They just labeled him a "street fighter" to get people more interested. But anyways, I hated that guy. He had no technique and lost more fights than he won.
@Ljenkins9000 In the end he did, however, he made a big impact when he first arrived - people only start finding out other fighter's weaknesses once they study them. My point with Tank is that he was a good brawler that although he may have wrestled, he didn't actually use much wrestling, more though that he used his knowledge to keep it at striking distance.
@DW01 The guys he fought were either strikers from shitty styles or grapplers who he outweighed by a LOT. Once he fought people his own size who also had a little of both he was screwed. Overall boring fighter IMO. But then again, I wasn't watching UFC at that time.
Yeah when I was younger I did American Kenpo for about 4 years, but lately I've been doing BJJ for the last 3-4. Most people seem to consider Kenpo a step above Karate/TKD crap, but for the most part it's basically the same: point sparring tournaments where you get penalized for hitting hard despite you both wearing a helmet and gloves, lots of mostly useless kata and other stuff when we should have been working on continuous sparring more than once a week.
Martial arts is a real passion of mine, but the real stuff. I like watching movies, but no longer have delusions about monks and Bruce Lee. For some reason I love studying it. When I first discovered that the UFC evolved out of a Bloodsport type MA tournament I had to watch the first bunch and they blew my mind, lol.
@Ljenkins9000 Surely though the earlier, bare fisted, minimal rules events were more realistic in testing one martial arts fighter against another? Nowadays the UFC is nothing more than a regulated fight sport, one that does not allow fighters to use vital weapons of their styled to truly test themselves.
PS I am still waiting for those BJJ street fight videos! ha
"Surely though the earlier, bare fisted, minimal rules events were more realistic in testing one martial arts fighter against another?"
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Yes definitely, but watch UFC 1 and then watch Lyoto Machida, Anderson Silva, or anyone else today, and tell me that MMA has not evolved into the most effective fighting style at all ranges.
@Ljenkins9000 MMA is not a fighting style though, it's simply what the acronym says; Mixed Martial Arts. A lot of mma fighters - i'll use someone like Michael Bisping as an example; go to a gym and learn a myriad of bits and pieces taken from lots of styles then formulate a plan from those techniques to fight under rules. Not like the early UFC where it was style against style.
Machida is an example of strategising his Shotokan to suit the mma arena. Silva stresses he now uses boxing as a base.
Colloquially MMA refers to a mix of Boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ and Wrestling, as a single style. It's just as much a different style born out of those other styles as BJJ is a single style that was born out of Judo and other JJJ styles. I understand that most importantly, it is a rule set, but the other usage of the word is correct, and arguing your point is semantic.
"Nowadays the UFC is nothing more than a regulated fight sport, one that does not allow fighters to use vital weapons of their styled to truly test themselves."
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These "weapons" are not trained by anyone, nor are they ever used. They cause permanent damage without affecting the outcome of fights, and if they were legal they would cause MMA competition to be banned by politicians. All of this already happened in the 90s.
@Ljenkins9000 "The guys he fought were either strikers from shitty styles or grapplers who he outweighed by a LOT"
-Size shouldn't matter, MA is about learning techniques to overcome attackers and defend yourself.
Getting back to the point - i still think it's down to the individual to make whatever style it is they do, work for whatever situation they are in, against all types of opponents.
@DW01 Yeah good Point, Weight and Height does not matter in MMA as long as you are good. Genki Sudo, Masato, Gegard muosasi, Fedor, matt serra. All of them fought bigger opponents and sometimes way above their weight class and still won.
Personally I dont think tall fighters above 6 feet should go down to 170 and below. Last week some guy died when he was over 6 feet and fought in 150. heard he broke something inside him during the fight.
@stonewindimmortal I do agree there with regards the height/weight issue, especially as these tall dudes try to cut lots of weight unhelthily because they think they'll have an advantage in the lighters weight. They don't respect the fact that it's so dangerous - for example; hours on end in saunas, dehydrating themselves of water, eating zero carb/fat foods in the run up, they're burning themselves out before they start.
@EmperorCesar It's strange because it's quite well documented that Americans are known for cutting weight quite drastically, whereas British are usually only a few pounds above their fight weight (unless you're Ricky Hatton who is just a fatty).
I would hate to have to cut weight like that, luckily i've only every been around 5lb above fight weight at any time so no big deal.
"Size shouldn't matter, MA is about learning techniques to overcome attackers and defend yourself."
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Do you really believe that size does not matter?!?
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"i still think it's down to the individual to make whatever style it is they do"
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You can think this all you want, but it is not true. "Styles make fights" is not a popular saying because it's bullshit and history has proven style is the single most determining factor in a fight.
When i used Tank as an example i was giving an example of how a fighter with good natural fight awareness can make a basic fight system such as Tanks' work for him, and he had success with it when he arrived on the scene. It was only after the 'full time mma fighter' came to light that he started getting beat through superior athletes.
@DW01 Exactly what you said. He was good for his time. But after Oleg he just couldnt get back. Another Tank abbot Fighter recently is Kimbo. But Kimbo learned takedowns.
@Ljenkins9000 The best way really is striking in a streetfight while fighting dirty. Self defence is not a movie. Take downs and locks are good if you know you are fighting one on one. sure he might bite and try to nut bash me but if I get that lock I win, but majority of my experiences are that people who jump you are cowards and will bring backup. I would stick with Kickboxing in a street fight anyday. Do only ground game if I have backup (Who are reliable) or If I'ma cop.
this video makes me want to time warp to the 80's and train with some guy who has a massive afro which in all honesty would pretty much be my dad in the 80's
I like how this video rips only bad karate practitioners. I could pretty much do the same thing and find shitty bjj guys who are rookies and suck ass and put that into a montage. Not that hard. Also, graplling and sub fighting styles are worthless in a street fight against multiple ppl. I'm not saying that grappling is bad, cuz most times it does really well against strikers, but to be a good fighter, you need both striking and grappling, so to say a striking art sucks shows how dumb you are.
"I could pretty much do the same thing and find shitty bjj guys who are rookies and suck ass and put that into a montage. Not that hard."
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Well, BJJ doesn't use a whole slew of useless things in an attempt to teach people how to fight (like katas). Most of a BJJ class consists of people grappling full contact. Were most BJJ places mcdojos, yes it would be easy. However, BJJ has a very high level of quality control unlike karate which was pussified in the 80s.
@JDGWRedneck ... dude hes just waving his arm while its in a l shape i seriously doubt someones going to be punching in those kinda direction to be honest i woulda just kicked him i would love for him to try his L shap 360 degree whatever
@asianboi1004 watching someone perform kata, hyung, forms, etc. and assuming that is the basis of combat in that particular style shows a larger degree of ignorance. Kata is a "catalogue" of techniques. Unfortunately, most of the people who actually perform kata are also unaware of this and assume kata are "fighting sequences". If you're actually interested, check out some of Patrick McCarthy's work. Even your vaunted BJJ comes from Judo which has kata.
"No Martial Arts sucks, it's the people that don't know how to use their martial art that suck."
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So I guess it looks like there are a whole bunch of martial arts out there where none or almost none of their practitioners know how to use it? I guess all of those people are just bad people.
@Ljenkins9000 Well, you know what? It comes down to the individual. At the end of the day there are only so many ways you can do a punch, kick, choke, grapple, etc, so it does come down to the individual as to 'how' they use those techniques.
I have seen some phenomenal street fighters in my years as a doorman who know little more than boxing, yet they make it work for them. We're not talking phoney UFC or whatever but real life fighting.
They would already be in a position of dominance making it difficult for the other person to do that and much more easy for the BJJer to bite, gouge, etc. Try biting a BJJ guy when ur mounted. Ur face will be hammered into the ground. When in an armbar, bite their legs. They'll snap your arm, but at least you bit them. Go for a bite while in a rear naked choke. You'll get choked out and possibly killed, but at least you caused them uncomfort before pissing them off bad enough to want to kill u.
@Ljenkins9000 You are absolutely blinded by Brazilian Ju Jitsu, mate.
I will agree that BJJ is good for grappling and certain groundgame aspects, but it doesn't compare to other striking arts in a real street fight.
How many real fights have you honestly been in? I would say i have maybe had around 100-120 bar fights doing security in the past 11yrs, and yes i've used choke holds but probably 90% of the time the fights are over within 30 seconds via KO by strike.
"I would say i have maybe had around 100-120 bar fights doing security in the past 11yrs, and yes i've used choke holds but probably 90% of the time the fights are over within 30 seconds via KO by strike."
"I will agree that BJJ is good for grappling and certain groundgame aspects, but it doesn't compare to other striking arts in a real street fight."
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Actually history has proven over and over and over and over again that if one person knows grappling and the other does not, the one with even a little grappling will ALWAYS win. Also there are actually more vids of BJJ being used in real street situations than anything else.
@Ljenkins9000 Thanks for the info. I can imagine the awkward stances and Kiai shouting become shouts of murder and haymakers were thrown everywhere after awhile of what people thought Karate fights should look like.
@stonewindimmortal Most of them had developed some pretty bad point sparring habits which were due to not having done enough continual hard contact sparring. For instance, they would snap their kicks back, throw weak punches leaving the rest of the body open, stop fighting for a second after landing a strike, not follow up strikes, etc. A lot of them started training in boxing soon afterwards which somewhat legitimized the name "kickboxing".
@Ljenkins9000 LOL point sparring I remember My first tourney. My sensei even fooled us kids that holding your punches back would make them stronger since you add more muscle when you hold back your punch. Then if you let loose you'd hit like Tyson. Which is bullshit since your wrist and knuckles would be like twigs when you actually punch somebody on the head. And that snap your kick thing, Fuck awful technique. Not to mention you only hit with your instep.
"if one person knows grappling and the other does not, the one with even a little grappling will ALWAYS win."
Well, anyone with a striking ability has a puncher's chance. But on the ground I do agree with you---the one who has even some understanding of subs and transitions will dominate; a good mish mash of BJJ, Judo, and wrestling is a solid combo and will help any fighter out---that's why I recommend even stand up fighters to get exposed to BJJ and Judo basics.
"Well, anyone with a striking ability has a puncher's chance"
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Yeah I agree. So far out of perhaps thousands of fights we have seen it happen once with Ray Mercer and Tim Sylvia. However, it had to happen eventually.
"I would say i have maybe had around 100-120 bar fights doing security in the past 11yrs, and yes i've used choke holds but probably 90% of the time the fights are over within 30 seconds via KO by strike."
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Lying about this stuff over the internet is nothing new. This is a pretty outrageous claim. Vids or it didn't happen.
-These Bullshido guys are HI-larious! I'm still laughing from what I saw yesterday. Good stuff guys! Personally, I don't have much respect for karate...I never got beat by any of their practitioners. I'm sure there are some guys out there that are talented though and train for real fighting.
y u no available on MOBILE?
wqsid 23 hours ago
Do your research before joining a dojo. Are there swarms of kids? Lots of fat bodies? Absolutely blood-free floors? You might want to pass.
CommitToFocus 2 months ago
lyoto machida? gsp? chuck liddell? are they bad fighters? HMMM?????
mudkipzuzu 2 months ago
@mudkipzuzu No, but they do other things besides karate. Karate is such a small part of their game. GSP doesn't even train it anymore.
tywainwright1 1 week ago
@tywainwright1 yeah true, but they started out from it, and gsp still uses some kyokushin in his fighting game, kyokushin is still a very well accepted style in the mma, its different from traditional martial arts, even if it is one, because it trains in full contact and has been proven to be effective. and the reason they do other things is because it doesn't hurt to understand the advantages of other techniques. just my opinion.
mudkipzuzu 1 week ago
@mudkipzuzu Oh yes I agree completely! I am an MMA fighter but have studied 2 forms of karate as well and it does have its advantages, but there aren't many. I also agree that Kyokushin is on of the most effective, but I have a problem with the now head punches rule and no ground fighting, as well as weapon disarms (wich are also absent in MMA). I do believe you should study a multitude of styles, but the truth is, some styles are very inferior.
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mudkipzuzu 2 months ago
Most people actually do believe that Karate sucks now, what with all the McDojos, and the horribe movies and displays of un-realistic fighting and what-not. And most people have the infuriating tendancy to associate all TM's with Karate and Kung Fu and think they're all called by those two names. -_-. The worst part about Karate now is that it's become too recreational and sport oriented and not taught as real fighting.
IsolationInstigation 2 months ago
Karate does in fact suck!!!!
talon115 3 months ago
Lol at the DBZ music.
IsolationInstigation 4 months ago
2:15 ok class, today we will be teaching a defense against someone who is minding their own business and reading
froliciouspanda 7 months ago
One must differentiate between the McDojo/strip mall karate and karate which actually works. Kyokushin is one of the most effective hard styles, just ask Bas Rutten.
TheGreaterGood80 8 months ago
i like the part where they went ooaororaggagghhhh
bloodriotiori 9 months ago
i love this video and i love bullshido
wish they did more "[martial art] sucks" month, i think they should do one for the jitsu foundation, there is more than enough video material out there :)
quiteawful 10 months ago
what movie was that from at 1:12...it looks so damn familiar and its buggin me like crazy!!
callmetoro 10 months ago
@callmetoro Breathing Fire. There are several clips of it in this video.
EmperorCesar 10 months ago
@EmperorCesar thank you :)
callmetoro 10 months ago
Bullshido sucks. I dont like them, they dont contribute anything but make funny of martial arts.
95ellington 10 months ago
@95ellington Bullshido is awesome. You can learn a ton if you stick around the community.
EmperorCesar 10 months ago
@EmperorCesar The Bullshido crew is no different from any other group claiming they know more than you. You can learn a lot from scientologist if you stic around the community, doesn't mean you'll learn anything valueable.
Of course, I always wonder if they're just taking a piss to feed the trolls. You can't research martial arts and know so little about them, so I wonder if they do this for fun just to see the response or if they're really as bias as they seem. Which is it?
Super8astard 8 months ago
@Super8astard You are correct, you can "learn" anything from anywhere, be it a good source or not. A good source of information is one like Bullshido- one that provides concrete, irrefutable proof to back up its claims. In the Martial Arts community, that is hard to come by. If you have your doubts, you are more than welcome to go over there discuss the issue with us. We will not silence your voice, right or wrong, as most MA communities would.
EmperorCesar 8 months ago
@EmperorCesar I can't deny they do have good points, but concrete irrefutable proof? All the ____ sucks month are nothing but smear campaigns. I used to go to the site all the time, but that was probably close to 10 years ago. Back when they took Ashida Kims challenge and he cried about it and backed out lol. Every time I try to register now the site goes down or something, I can't seem to complete it. I keep trying though, bound to work eventually.
Super8astard 8 months ago
@Super8astard The ____ Sucks month videos are to make fun of the practitioners in the MA community that practice "Bullshido". They deserved to be ridiculed for taking peoples money and giving their clients a false sense of security. We have plenty of respected people at Bullshido that train in traditional martial arts like Karate, the videos are in no way stating that we at Bullshido unanimously hate Karate as a whole. The above criticism is still valid to those in the video.
EmperorCesar 8 months ago
@EmperorCesar I guess that answers my earlier question.
And it would make sense if the content wasn't mostly movies. The cheesy movie shit is what makes the videos so funny, which is why I thought you guys were just taking a piss. There's plenty of fodder to throw in there from compition footage. All the sloppy point striking they try to pass off as full contact is just as funny, and would bring in some of that "concrete" proof far more than those flicks.
Super8astard 8 months ago
Oh, so Bullshido knows that Karate does have respectable schools and not everyone in Karate sucks at fighting, just some realy bad schools AKA Mc Dojos? I thought Bullshido was just saying MMA is the only real way to fight and that Traditional arts are all stupid and pointless... That's cool that they know that not ALL Karate schools are bad lol There's some awesome guys from Japan and even the UK have some great Karate guys.
GuamKomudo 7 months ago
you should research your masters I train with an olympic medalist and a national champ!
jangus894 10 months ago
Karate was popular in the 80's so tons of "karate" schools opened to grab market share. Same thing happened to TKD, hence creating McDojos. MMA is new and jujitsu has traditionally not been so popular until UFC, so this hasn't happened yet on the same scale. But give it time. Now that MMA is big, you'll start to see more jujitsu McDojos too. Doesn't make it a bad art, though. Just bad schools. Find an art YOU love and train at a GOOD school. Enough of all this bashing of different styles.
DrMBA28 10 months ago 5
@DrMBA28 im afraid you're already right, there are 3 mma mcdojos within a 10 mile radius already here.
omgstoptakingnames 1 month ago
So true. I wouldn't want to train in a style I have no interest in, no matter how effective it is. But each style has something to offer.
eugene680 3 weeks ago
@DrMBA28 Even without the mcdojoization, some arts are just inferior.
tywainwright1 1 week ago
ohh... so now we are at the stage where your only argument is my failing gramma? -.-
Troelsff 11 months ago
You are hopeless to discuss with, you proberly havent seen that many karate fights, typically you will have to look for older clips here on youtube to see some of the greater fighters...
Troelsff 11 months ago
@Troelsff No. Your argument is just hilariously pathetic with lack of any evidence. You try and sound smart by using unnecessarily large words and just come off looking like a fucking idiot. By the way dumbfuck its "probably" and when you used the word typically... it made no sense in that sentence. Karate is a worthless martial art...haha you sad that your rexkwondo classes aren't stopping you from getting bullied...haha
thecrazyoftheinsane 11 months ago
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Karate does suck, is outdated, impractical and is mostly for kids only in the U.S. karate is just a self esteem/ fitness system for kids here. fighting? NOPE
freeconservative80 11 months ago
Karate does suck, is outdated, impractical and is mostly for kids only in the U.S. karate is just a self esteem/ fitness system for kids here. fighting? NOPE
freeconservative80 11 months ago
@freeconservative80 I dont know what your saying bro, I do karate and jjj for my stand-up. And then I got bjj for ground so whatever. My version of karate seems to work instead of all these fantasy videos on youtube.
jamesellis33 11 months ago
@jamesellis33 what I'm SURE you do is actually kickboxing. do you chamber punches? do use the karate blocks when you spar or FIGHT? do you KIAAA when you spar?how about footwork? karate has no footwork, no evasion skills. when you fight/spar you're using kickboxong TYPE ,moves. I study Jeet Kune Do and we dont block tradirionally or chamber punches, there is only ONE stance and ALL of the techniques can be applied against somebody trying to whip your ass at real speed. the ultimate test.
freeconservative80 11 months ago
@freeconservative80 yea you do actually use the karate blocks, yea you do use Kiai, and yes there is footwork and loads of evasion skill included...
Troelsff 11 months ago
@Troelsff you're either lying or have never been in a streetfight. people dont throw slow lunge punches and stand there and wait for you to counter. you couldn't use a karate block against a bad streetfighter. people throw PUNCHES, PLURAL not one telegaraphed lunge punch. be real man. and karate has ZERO footwork. you dont learn how to move. footwork by itself can save you. and there are NO EVASION skills. no slipping, no bob and weave, no parrying. you are misinformed or lying.
freeconservative80 11 months ago
@freeconservative80 You obviously never trained karate -.-
Troelsff 11 months ago
@Troelsff so as a karate trainee you train like a boxer? footwork, slipping puches, parrying, bob and weave? NO YOU DONT train that in karate. karate is reverse punch KIAAA!!!!! Kata, kumite deadness. even the live karate styles like Kyokushin look like kickboxing with a pajama costume. karate has no fighting value. why not just study kickboxing at a gym, thats how you'll fight/spar anyway.
freeconservative80 11 months ago
@freeconservative80 Nothing wrong with Kyokushin or any other style of karate. I do it as my primary style and visit a Muay Thai gym on weekends for the extra sparring, took me all of two matches to get my head around clinches. Karate looks like kickboxing in pyjamas because kickboxing evolved from karate students wanting more sparring. Thai kickboxing came later and took the 'kickboxing' term. My only beef with most karate styles is that sparring in some schools can be rare.
psychedashell 8 months ago
@jamesellis33 dont get mad at him.. its just his opinion.. i doesnt matter what anyone thinks.. what matters is you know that your are good at you respect your martial art. dont worry about them, you are backed up with the deadly skills of karate
bobo4451 11 months ago
@bobo4451 I'm not mad. I'm just saying people can cross train and incorparate other techniques. I'm trying to develop a type of Karate that uses stand up that transitions to ground techniques when necessary. But, aside from this I really like your name its pretty funny. Bobo ^^
jamesellis33 11 months ago
lyoto machida, gsp, chuck liddell, karate does not suck
sanshouking728 1 year ago
lol karates so stupid
DBKK 1 year ago
@DBKK fuck you
superbluepurple2 1 year ago
@superbluepurple2 no fuk u karate fagget
DBKK 1 year ago
2:23 that guy might as well be a raver waving a glowstick around at a club.
toroga1 1 year ago
I realize after seeing this a few times, if you cant laugh at your Martial art than you shouldn't be practicing it. LOL this shit is pretty funny, and IM A KARATE GUY WHO OWNS A SCHOOL. HAHA! I still love Karate...
shotojojo2005 1 year ago 5
Bullshido also ran a "Karate Rules Month" in honor of those karateka who do actual hard sparring. I think this is pretty much aimed at the McDojo schools alone.
yukiism 1 year ago
I laughed so hard a the beginning with the one punch that laid out two guys lol. I havn't laughed that hard in so long!
Deetroiter 1 year ago
lmao at 2:23!
adriannet5 1 year ago
I do Kyokushin and I think this video is funny.
Just like the TKD sucks video, this is just for fun, parody, innocent joke if you will.
It's a reflection on all the BS commercialized McDojos out there, and watered down useless punch and kick throwing, we call Krotty. For example, all kata, no kumite.
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 1 year ago
"I do Kyokushin and I think this video is funny"
You should because Kyokushin is NOT what is depicted here. Bullshido loves Kyokushin because there are virtually no KK mcdojos anywhere in the world. All the rest of the karate styles in the world, on the other hand, look like what you see in this clip. There's a reason almost half of the K1 fighters and many MMA fighters are Kyokushin guys while the only practitioner of another kind of Karate out there who has actually done well is Machida.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000
That's what i mean. Kyokushin and the rest of the knockdown offshoots are the only traditional striking arts that actually work and train you as hard, if not harder, than Muay Thai.
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 1 year ago
@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe Yeah exactly. I would be training Kyokushin if there was a place anywhere near me, but I'll settle for Muay Thai. The KK rule set is debatable whether it's more effective than the MT one, but they have been known for beating MT fighters fairly consistently since Kyokushin began. All other Karate is 90% LARPing as far as I'm concerned.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe lol there are not kyokushin fighters in MMA, maybe they're afraid of face punching!
Rnt911 1 year ago
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"lol there are not kyokushin fighters in MMA, maybe they're afraid of face punching!"
Yeah, that's why they dominate K1 and have been regularly defeating Muay Thai fighters under MT rules for the past 60 years. Because they hate face punching. Oh wait a minute...
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Rnt911
You're being ignorant. Many good Kyokushin schools in America are starting to incorporate boxing and gloved fights in their curriculum.
Knockdown tournaments != How all Kyokushin fighters fight
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Lol, what about eht Kyokushin fighters in MMA? There are how many of them in UFC, for example? Maybe you will say GSP but he uses more of wrestling and boxing and has a JJ tatto in his chest.
Rnt911 1 year ago
"Lol, what about eht Kyokushin fighters in MMA? There are how many of them in UFC, for example?"
There have been quite a few. Some notable big ones like Bas Rutten and to a lesser extent GSP. Each have credited all of their stand up to their KK training in the past. There are a few others, and we used to see a lot more in the early UFC days, but now you see it more in the Japanese MMA orgs than in the UFC.
Then there's K1 where something like 60% of the fighters are Kyokushin guys.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Bas got his start in Taekwondo, then moved onto karate; but he is first and foremost a thai kickboxer, like most of the Dutch strikers. There are no pure kyokushin guys in k-1 or k-1 max.
RebelWrestler45 1 year ago
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@RebelWrestler45 Dutch Kickboxing first evolved out of Kyokushin Karate actually, and Bas has a third degree black belt in it.
"There are no pure kyokushin guys in k-1 or k-1 max."
Yes, I'm sure they'd have to supplement some Boxing in with it these days, but what you're saying is like discrediting how everybody in the UFC does BJJ:
"Well, they also do Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai, etc., so you can't say they do BJJ at all."
Doesn't work like that.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
2:20 nice dance. You should of used Aisha Clan Clan's version of "CHA-LA!"
SatoRindou 1 year ago
@VOLDOVIKA26
Hey I think these videos are hilarious as much as the next person but Karate and any martial art practiced properly is decidedly not shit. I dare you to go up to a Kyokushin practitioner and say that, you would have your ass soundly handed to you in a nicely crafted wicker basket. I think we can all agree that Mcdojo's as well as any individual peddling garbage money making scheme martial arts are a stain on the undies of humanity but don't count short what you don't know about
majaimay 1 year ago 2
karate is a shit
VOLDOVIKA26 1 year ago
Kyokushin Karate is BAD ASS! this was their failed attempt on mocking a Martial Art! HAHAHAAHAAHAH!!!! they STFUPD when they actually looked at it! :)
but they are right about the other Martial Arts like Wing Chun LMAO
shadowcar88 1 year ago
2:12 im gonna try it if im attacked by a crack head
ajja18 1 year ago
2:15 so thats the correct way to attack a guy when hes standing still and doesnt notice you..... ok.....
asianboi1004 1 year ago
sport karate and mma are sports, and you can't compare them. Do you compare pole vault to long jump? And the real non sport karate is much more than just beating up your opponent and then going to the rare naked choke. Mma is cool and everything but mocking traditional arts doesn't make your penises bigger.
300make 1 year ago
"sport karate and mma are sports, and you can't compare them"
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No, you can compare them because they each have the same goal of teaching a person to fight well. MMA is the only proving ground there is for a martial art. I guess MMA type fighting was ok for karate guys in the movies like Bloodsport, but in real life most TMA guys somehow think there's something magical anti-TMA about getting into a cage and actually fighting.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
I love Your the best and cha-la head cha-la, Karate kid and KARATE. and DBZ
SonicPAJ 1 year ago
I love Your the best and cha-la head cha-la
SonicPAJ 1 year ago
Man its all that fake Americanized Karate bull shit, thats making Karate look bad..Lol i've been studying Shorin-Ryu, And Ryu-Te which are Karate styles...And I still found this funny because its freakin true xD those are all people who study the Americanized b-s stuff, and look how bad they are, I wish they'd just realize that they should teach it the way it was suppose to be taught, not freakin change it up to make it flashy or else you'll look like the people in the video. =p
Sabre809 1 year ago
"Man its all that fake Americanized Karate bull shit, thats making Karate look bad..Lol i've been studying Shorin-Ryu, And Ryu-Te which are Karate styles"
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No it's 95% of all Karate that isn't Kyokushin Karate. Even the arts you mentioned are 95% BS throughout the world.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Well out of the 95% I found the 5% thats real. And I know that everywhere teaches BS techniques, just look up the video two of the Worst martial arts techniques in the world, and you'll see that some of the BS that gets taught
Sabre809 1 year ago
"Well out of the 95% I found the 5% thats real."
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Well I certainly hope so. But just realize though, that most people are convinced that they're in the 5%, even when they aren't.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Oh believe me buddy i'm hoping the same thing over here, you don't gotta worry about that. I have no wish to learn BS
Sabre809 1 year ago
It's really funny how they completely overlook any clips concerning kyokushin, seidokaikan, shinkyokushin, ashihara, daidojuku or any of the other full contact styles, yeah try to make karate look like it sucks whith any videos of those styles.
majaimay 1 year ago
yep, a lot of things sucks. but one cleary suck: bullshido.
joleghost 1 year ago
At about 3:06 is that Yasuaki Kurata?
RangeofMotion 1 year ago
Guy at 3.25 is Taekwondo
callum828 1 year ago
I LOVE IT how people reference machida 24/7. All those millions of practitioners and only a few become half decent..... who gives a shit, it was bound to happen with millions of practitioners. meanwhile the other arts have hundreds of notable fighters who molest karate blackbelts for break fast.
Lejendary2 1 year ago
"I LOVE IT how people reference machida 24/7. All those millions of practitioners and only a few become half decent"
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Hey, Machida fights the way we USED to believe karate guys fought before UFC 1 happened. Just let us keep jacking off to Machida in peace.
Seriously though, I wonder how long until there will be a Machida of Wing Chun or a Machida of Kung Fu (unless Cung Le counts for that last one) and of all the other mostly useless yet ever-mystical Asian martial arts.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
0:39 pathetic. A neck pinch works every time for me in that situation.
Dude, most of those bitches don't stand a chance against my BaGua style. And I'm a relative noob in BaGua.
AndyRaslan 1 year ago
The uniform with the black highlights is taekwando, not karate. Don't post tripe if you guys are really a legit group.
jockstrappers 1 year ago
@jockstrappers Quite frankly, Machida is a great fighter. You have to focus on his Karate background to somehow reinforce your line of thinking. There is nothing wrong with saying that a fighter uses what works. That shows that he adapts to the situation and uses intelligence plus skill to meet the needs of the fight.
del1000005 1 year ago
@del1000005 Good point. I remember that time when he said "Machida Karate is back!" the most though, which is why I believe he still sticks to his Shotokan roots.
jockstrappers 1 year ago
Since when karate suck? Is me or Machida is actually using karate as primary striking style ? People who are doing MMA are just fraud... They generally do not have other exposure then MMA(which is in fact BJJ and Muya thai). They just accept that package to be the ultimate fighting style . Everybody know , at a certain extent, that the fighter skills is more important than the style it self. Machida is the perfect exemplar of that.
jambi99 1 year ago
@jambi99 But Machida is a mixed martial artist, and Karate is not his primary martial art. The man is a BJJ black belt and studies Muy Thai religiously. The only thing "karate like" about his fighting skill is his kicks. Stated simply, he uses MMA, not Karate. This is not an insult to karate, but a simple truth about current martial arts. You need to use what works, and that means combining martial arts.
del1000005 1 year ago
@del1000005 Get your facts straight. Lyoto Machida's primary style IS karate, and this is way evident in his stance the position of his fists in a fight. Besides that, his father is the head of the Brazilian Shotokan Association and he earned his blackbelt in Karate when he was 13. Where'd he learn muay thai idk, maybe in a place called yourimaginationland.
jockstrappers 1 year ago
@jockstrappers Why do Karate people get so angry when, God forbid, you say Machida is a well-balanced fighter using what works in the situation. That's a compliment to him.
Yes, he is a black belt in Karate. Yes, he is a BJJ black belt. He also studies muy thai, sumo, and wrestling. You can check it out on his own biography.
The very fact that you need to defend karate so much should tell you something about not only karate, but your mental state.
del1000005 1 year ago
@del1000005 Hmmm, that depends. Well, there are entire schools of Wushu with lots of styles in China (Shaolin Pai, Wudang Pai, Emei Pai) so, in a way, they mix different martial arts as well (not all the styles in these schools were invented by them, some were adapted, but that's a no-brainer).
But yeah, you're right, you're not very well-off with a single style, since everyone overlooks something. I study Wudang Pai, and there's not one fight taken to the ground there. Nasty weak point.
AndyRaslan 1 year ago
I studied traditional shuri ryu karate for 7 years, was a national champion, and realized in high school that karate overall is shit compared to western boxing and muay thai. 1 year of boxing > 20 years of karate. I also wrestled since 6 years old and was a 3 time state champ...not sure why my parents got me in to karate during that time frame, but a lot of it had to do with the fact that boxing/kickboxing and jiu jitsu schools weren't around or atleast boxing was only in poor communities
NeeMaHow 1 year ago
@NeeMaHow The only thing that is wrong with most of karate school is the training method. Do you know why Muay thai is so good ? Because of is training method and the realistic empahis put in it. That is particular to muay thai and boxing. Most of tradionnal martial arts school don't train realistically. Once again, its not the style that is important, but more the figther skills and the way he train...
jambi99 1 year ago
hahahaha
TheEupheme 1 year ago
YMAS is all fun and games till they do it to your martial arts system! God damn hahahaha that one video with the screaming bald guy had me in tears of laughter.
Greenacres88 1 year ago
Love that guy who did the crane in real life
Owner46 1 year ago
The man from the Sega ads is actually a judoka, or at least a parody of one
binwei 1 year ago
awsome video =D
JORDHOLMEN 1 year ago
Aw snap! BJJ beats karate! In real life, guys use knives,. There may be broken glass or other unsavory debris on the ground. That's why if I AM assaulted, I would like to stay far away and off the ground during my initial defense. Boxing is all I really need. That, and a good push kick. And running speed to avoid his friends/ or the police.
fistyeah21 1 year ago
Look at Machida! The motherfucker is spent! His own dad wants him to retire. Karate allows you a short burst of success until you reach the level of Spiritual God Warrior and got the shit kicked out of you in someone named Billy Joe's studio.
ShitWrangler 1 year ago
lyoto machida?
Rnt911 1 year ago
Don't get ur panties in a bunch karatekas, they did have a BJJ sucks month as well as TKD, Wing Chun, JKD and a few others. I think they actually have a bit more of respect for karate than most TMAs due to styles like Kyokushin.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Yer right Even Bruce lee abandoned Wing Chun for Muay Thai. Even Today Chinese People used Sanshou in MMA Rather than any TMA Martial arts or Kung fu systems.
stonewindimmortal 1 year ago
@stonewindimmortal I would say Shotokan is as traditional as it gets, and Machida done pretty well so far. Liddell from a Kempo & kickboxing background had his day, even Tank Abbott did well against other fighters before mma went mainstream and cross training became the order of the day.
DW01 1 year ago
@DW01 Yeah but machida and Chuck Fought in MMA and made their skills match the sport. I'm talking about Karate concepts vs Karate concepts only. You will be murdered by kickboxers. I didnt even know how to kick with my shins and knee properly till I went to Kickboxing. So MMA Karate is a new thing.
stonewindimmortal 1 year ago
@stonewindimmortal I refer back to my original post on this thread/vid - fighting is mainly down the individual not necessarily the style.
Example: You could have a black belt BJJ fighter or an experienced kickboxer - however if you put them in against an opponent that has better awareness and can think like a chess player, several steps ahead, chances are the latter fighter would win.
I agree that kickboxing is a very good style and mixing it with a little understanding of grappling is excelnt
DW01 1 year ago
"I refer back to my original post on this thread/vid - fighting is mainly down the individual not necessarily the style."
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The problem with this is that if we take a thousand style vs style matchups, we can reasonably predict 95-99% of the outcomes. Style has always been the determining factor in these kinds of fights.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@DW01
"I agree that kickboxing is a very good style and mixing it with a little understanding of grappling is excelnt"
Bingo---it makes a well-rounded fighter. I actually train a place now that does both kickboxing and submission fighting.
Wytchfinde 1 year ago
"I'm talking about Karate concepts vs Karate concepts only. You will be murdered by kickboxers."
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Kickboxing actually evolved out of Karate, thanks to Joe Lewis. The first kickboxing matches pitted point sparring champions against each other who had rarely, if ever, actually tried to knock their opponents out before. Needless to say, it looked like a big mess, a lot like the first UFCs. Pretty interesting though.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@DW01 Tank Abbott was actually a high school wrestler who did a little boxing. They just labeled him a "street fighter" to get people more interested. But anyways, I hated that guy. He had no technique and lost more fights than he won.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 In the end he did, however, he made a big impact when he first arrived - people only start finding out other fighter's weaknesses once they study them. My point with Tank is that he was a good brawler that although he may have wrestled, he didn't actually use much wrestling, more though that he used his knowledge to keep it at striking distance.
DW01 1 year ago
@DW01 The guys he fought were either strikers from shitty styles or grapplers who he outweighed by a LOT. Once he fought people his own size who also had a little of both he was screwed. Overall boring fighter IMO. But then again, I wasn't watching UFC at that time.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 You really know your stuff. You practiced as a Kid too?
stonewindimmortal 1 year ago
Yeah when I was younger I did American Kenpo for about 4 years, but lately I've been doing BJJ for the last 3-4. Most people seem to consider Kenpo a step above Karate/TKD crap, but for the most part it's basically the same: point sparring tournaments where you get penalized for hitting hard despite you both wearing a helmet and gloves, lots of mostly useless kata and other stuff when we should have been working on continuous sparring more than once a week.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
Martial arts is a real passion of mine, but the real stuff. I like watching movies, but no longer have delusions about monks and Bruce Lee. For some reason I love studying it. When I first discovered that the UFC evolved out of a Bloodsport type MA tournament I had to watch the first bunch and they blew my mind, lol.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Surely though the earlier, bare fisted, minimal rules events were more realistic in testing one martial arts fighter against another? Nowadays the UFC is nothing more than a regulated fight sport, one that does not allow fighters to use vital weapons of their styled to truly test themselves.
PS I am still waiting for those BJJ street fight videos! ha
DW01 1 year ago
"Surely though the earlier, bare fisted, minimal rules events were more realistic in testing one martial arts fighter against another?"
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Yes definitely, but watch UFC 1 and then watch Lyoto Machida, Anderson Silva, or anyone else today, and tell me that MMA has not evolved into the most effective fighting style at all ranges.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 MMA is not a fighting style though, it's simply what the acronym says; Mixed Martial Arts. A lot of mma fighters - i'll use someone like Michael Bisping as an example; go to a gym and learn a myriad of bits and pieces taken from lots of styles then formulate a plan from those techniques to fight under rules. Not like the early UFC where it was style against style.
Machida is an example of strategising his Shotokan to suit the mma arena. Silva stresses he now uses boxing as a base.
DW01 1 year ago
"MMA is not a fighting style though"
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Colloquially MMA refers to a mix of Boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ and Wrestling, as a single style. It's just as much a different style born out of those other styles as BJJ is a single style that was born out of Judo and other JJJ styles. I understand that most importantly, it is a rule set, but the other usage of the word is correct, and arguing your point is semantic.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Regardless, MMA is still not a style per se, it is merely a reference.
I agree it is a generic term for a rule set.
DW01 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Regardless, MMA is still not a style per se, it is merely a reference.
I agree it is a generic term for a rule set.
DW01 1 year ago
@DW01 Well you still get my meaning when I say MMA style. How long until we can call it a style?
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
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"Nowadays the UFC is nothing more than a regulated fight sport, one that does not allow fighters to use vital weapons of their styled to truly test themselves."
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These "weapons" are not trained by anyone, nor are they ever used. They cause permanent damage without affecting the outcome of fights, and if they were legal they would cause MMA competition to be banned by politicians. All of this already happened in the 90s.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
"PS I am still waiting for those BJJ street fight videos! ha"
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Go to google videos and type in "BJJ street fight" for starters.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 "The guys he fought were either strikers from shitty styles or grapplers who he outweighed by a LOT"
-Size shouldn't matter, MA is about learning techniques to overcome attackers and defend yourself.
Getting back to the point - i still think it's down to the individual to make whatever style it is they do, work for whatever situation they are in, against all types of opponents.
DW01 1 year ago
@DW01 Yeah good Point, Weight and Height does not matter in MMA as long as you are good. Genki Sudo, Masato, Gegard muosasi, Fedor, matt serra. All of them fought bigger opponents and sometimes way above their weight class and still won.
Personally I dont think tall fighters above 6 feet should go down to 170 and below. Last week some guy died when he was over 6 feet and fought in 150. heard he broke something inside him during the fight.
stonewindimmortal 1 year ago
@stonewindimmortal I do agree there with regards the height/weight issue, especially as these tall dudes try to cut lots of weight unhelthily because they think they'll have an advantage in the lighters weight. They don't respect the fact that it's so dangerous - for example; hours on end in saunas, dehydrating themselves of water, eating zero carb/fat foods in the run up, they're burning themselves out before they start.
DW01 1 year ago
@DW01 Cutting weight for a fight is like a shitty version of hell on earth. It really was one of the worst experiences of my life.
EmperorCesar 1 year ago
@EmperorCesar It's strange because it's quite well documented that Americans are known for cutting weight quite drastically, whereas British are usually only a few pounds above their fight weight (unless you're Ricky Hatton who is just a fatty).
I would hate to have to cut weight like that, luckily i've only every been around 5lb above fight weight at any time so no big deal.
DW01 1 year ago
@EmperorCesar But we all do it.
stonewindimmortal 1 year ago
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"Size shouldn't matter, MA is about learning techniques to overcome attackers and defend yourself."
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Do you really believe that size does not matter?!?
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"i still think it's down to the individual to make whatever style it is they do"
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You can think this all you want, but it is not true. "Styles make fights" is not a popular saying because it's bullshit and history has proven style is the single most determining factor in a fight.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@DW01 Tank was and still is a 1 handed fighter. Oleg Taktarov really slugged him with Sambo. after that I never Saw Tank as a Champ to be again.
stonewindimmortal 1 year ago
@stonewindimmortal Your point being?
When i used Tank as an example i was giving an example of how a fighter with good natural fight awareness can make a basic fight system such as Tanks' work for him, and he had success with it when he arrived on the scene. It was only after the 'full time mma fighter' came to light that he started getting beat through superior athletes.
DW01 1 year ago
@DW01 Exactly what you said. He was good for his time. But after Oleg he just couldnt get back. Another Tank abbot Fighter recently is Kimbo. But Kimbo learned takedowns.
stonewindimmortal 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 The best way really is striking in a streetfight while fighting dirty. Self defence is not a movie. Take downs and locks are good if you know you are fighting one on one. sure he might bite and try to nut bash me but if I get that lock I win, but majority of my experiences are that people who jump you are cowards and will bring backup. I would stick with Kickboxing in a street fight anyday. Do only ground game if I have backup (Who are reliable) or If I'ma cop.
stonewindimmortal 1 year ago
this video makes me want to time warp to the 80's and train with some guy who has a massive afro which in all honesty would pretty much be my dad in the 80's
ilanchico 1 year ago
I like how this video rips only bad karate practitioners. I could pretty much do the same thing and find shitty bjj guys who are rookies and suck ass and put that into a montage. Not that hard. Also, graplling and sub fighting styles are worthless in a street fight against multiple ppl. I'm not saying that grappling is bad, cuz most times it does really well against strikers, but to be a good fighter, you need both striking and grappling, so to say a striking art sucks shows how dumb you are.
jayzine 1 year ago
"I could pretty much do the same thing and find shitty bjj guys who are rookies and suck ass and put that into a montage. Not that hard."
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Well, BJJ doesn't use a whole slew of useless things in an attempt to teach people how to fight (like katas). Most of a BJJ class consists of people grappling full contact. Were most BJJ places mcdojos, yes it would be easy. However, BJJ has a very high level of quality control unlike karate which was pussified in the 80s.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
How the fuck is 2:23 - 2:36 suppose to help u when ur fighting thats just fucking retarted
asianboi1004 1 year ago
@asianboi1004 that's like asking "How does a dictionary help you learn to speak a language?"
JDGWRedneck 1 year ago
@JDGWRedneck ... dude hes just waving his arm while its in a l shape i seriously doubt someones going to be punching in those kinda direction to be honest i woulda just kicked him i would love for him to try his L shap 360 degree whatever
asianboi1004 1 year ago
@asianboi1004 watching someone perform kata, hyung, forms, etc. and assuming that is the basis of combat in that particular style shows a larger degree of ignorance. Kata is a "catalogue" of techniques. Unfortunately, most of the people who actually perform kata are also unaware of this and assume kata are "fighting sequences". If you're actually interested, check out some of Patrick McCarthy's work. Even your vaunted BJJ comes from Judo which has kata.
JDGWRedneck 1 year ago
No Martial Arts sucks, it's the people that don't know how to use their martial art that suck.
DW01 1 year ago
"No Martial Arts sucks, it's the people that don't know how to use their martial art that suck."
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So I guess it looks like there are a whole bunch of martial arts out there where none or almost none of their practitioners know how to use it? I guess all of those people are just bad people.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Well, you know what? It comes down to the individual. At the end of the day there are only so many ways you can do a punch, kick, choke, grapple, etc, so it does come down to the individual as to 'how' they use those techniques.
I have seen some phenomenal street fighters in my years as a doorman who know little more than boxing, yet they make it work for them. We're not talking phoney UFC or whatever but real life fighting.
DW01 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 How would a BJJ 'fighter' defend against getting a chunk bitten out of their arm/face/neck?
DW01 1 year ago
They would already be in a position of dominance making it difficult for the other person to do that and much more easy for the BJJer to bite, gouge, etc. Try biting a BJJ guy when ur mounted. Ur face will be hammered into the ground. When in an armbar, bite their legs. They'll snap your arm, but at least you bit them. Go for a bite while in a rear naked choke. You'll get choked out and possibly killed, but at least you caused them uncomfort before pissing them off bad enough to want to kill u.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 You are absolutely blinded by Brazilian Ju Jitsu, mate.
I will agree that BJJ is good for grappling and certain groundgame aspects, but it doesn't compare to other striking arts in a real street fight.
How many real fights have you honestly been in? I would say i have maybe had around 100-120 bar fights doing security in the past 11yrs, and yes i've used choke holds but probably 90% of the time the fights are over within 30 seconds via KO by strike.
DW01 1 year ago
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"I would say i have maybe had around 100-120 bar fights doing security in the past 11yrs, and yes i've used choke holds but probably 90% of the time the fights are over within 30 seconds via KO by strike."
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Liar.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
"I will agree that BJJ is good for grappling and certain groundgame aspects, but it doesn't compare to other striking arts in a real street fight."
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Actually history has proven over and over and over and over again that if one person knows grappling and the other does not, the one with even a little grappling will ALWAYS win. Also there are actually more vids of BJJ being used in real street situations than anything else.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
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@Ljenkins9000 "Also there are actually more vids of BJJ being used in real street situations than anything else"
Ok fine, show me? Show me a BJJ practitioner(s) in several videos winning a 'real street situation'.. Not MMA.
DW01 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Thanks for the info. I can imagine the awkward stances and Kiai shouting become shouts of murder and haymakers were thrown everywhere after awhile of what people thought Karate fights should look like.
stonewindimmortal 1 year ago
@stonewindimmortal Most of them had developed some pretty bad point sparring habits which were due to not having done enough continual hard contact sparring. For instance, they would snap their kicks back, throw weak punches leaving the rest of the body open, stop fighting for a second after landing a strike, not follow up strikes, etc. A lot of them started training in boxing soon afterwards which somewhat legitimized the name "kickboxing".
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 LOL point sparring I remember My first tourney. My sensei even fooled us kids that holding your punches back would make them stronger since you add more muscle when you hold back your punch. Then if you let loose you'd hit like Tyson. Which is bullshit since your wrist and knuckles would be like twigs when you actually punch somebody on the head. And that snap your kick thing, Fuck awful technique. Not to mention you only hit with your instep.
stonewindimmortal 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000
"if one person knows grappling and the other does not, the one with even a little grappling will ALWAYS win."
Well, anyone with a striking ability has a puncher's chance. But on the ground I do agree with you---the one who has even some understanding of subs and transitions will dominate; a good mish mash of BJJ, Judo, and wrestling is a solid combo and will help any fighter out---that's why I recommend even stand up fighters to get exposed to BJJ and Judo basics.
Wytchfinde 1 year ago
"Well, anyone with a striking ability has a puncher's chance"
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Yeah I agree. So far out of perhaps thousands of fights we have seen it happen once with Ray Mercer and Tim Sylvia. However, it had to happen eventually.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
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Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
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"I would say i have maybe had around 100-120 bar fights doing security in the past 11yrs, and yes i've used choke holds but probably 90% of the time the fights are over within 30 seconds via KO by strike."
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Lying about this stuff over the internet is nothing new. This is a pretty outrageous claim. Vids or it didn't happen.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
-These Bullshido guys are HI-larious! I'm still laughing from what I saw yesterday. Good stuff guys! Personally, I don't have much respect for karate...I never got beat by any of their practitioners. I'm sure there are some guys out there that are talented though and train for real fighting.
089hlj 1 year ago
what movie is that guy at the beginning from? The one thats madder than hell
biolizard1991 1 year ago
you gotta be able to laugh. Karate aint bad on its on. especially styles such as kenpo, shidokan, & kyokushin. Its just jokes.
pedro90 1 year ago
theres so many stuff better than brazillian jiu jitsu like krav maga ever tried that it actually works
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