really! the zero are you sure no armour at all it is your opinion and you are entitled to it but i would have the mustang a bit higher and i would add the corsair and the wildcat
@shiggy011 so how does a prototype with a crap engine that never entered service the best fighter in world war 2 dipshit? really hope your taking the piss.
@pramboy09 it did enter service one was shot down by ww2 ace Richard Candilaria and i think he put it in for the technical achievement of beig the first jet fighter definetly a major leap forward
The A6M Zero was the most successful fighter of WWII. it had the most elite pilots along with Luftwaffe ones, also it had excellent speed, armament and the best agility.
At the beginning of the war in the Pacific, the IJAF shot down more than 40 USAF and RAF planes per day, without losing more than 10 Zeroes.
@m4mihulja disagree with you, the zero was only a successful fighter from 1941-42 when the hellcat, cosair, spitfire IX came into play the zero stopped being a meance, especially with the correct tactics.
@pramboy09 Zero was the best fighter when looking performances. In fact, best fighter of WWII was the German Me-262.
But, when talking about Zero, it, had the best agility, ceiling and maneuverability, not even Corsair and Mustang managed to beat it in that performances.
It was also armed with 2x 20mm guns, which was a very dangerous firepower, even for heavy bombers.
Also, the IJAF pilots were the most elite, right behind LW ones. The USAF pilots were rookies through the whole war.
@m4mihulja you were never going to out turn a zero because it was lacking armour and selfsealing fuel tanks, but all of those aircraft i mentioned are 40-60mph faster and can climb alot faster than the zero which was both used in defeating a zero. maneuverability is fine in close quarter fighting but is no use in the climb. the 20mm cannon of the zero had a very short range so needed to be very close to be effective, no good if you are fighting aircraft that a hell of alot faster.
pehaps below 400km/h, but over 400km/h it didnt turn too good, every 109 from the F series onwards turned better than it (the Zero at speeds over 400km/h. Heck even the fw190 A9 turned better than the Zero at those speeds, and it had 4*20mm canons and 2*13mm mg.
Zero great at the start, not at the end, the Ki84 is a much superior plane to the Zero.
your obvoiusly a nip, also an idiot, the best ...piston engined fighter of the war turned out to be focke-wulf 190D.... did the nakijima "frank" get a mention? aparently it was also an awsesome aircraft
it was not the japenes ones it was the spitfires the controled the air in ww2 thats not 9 americans should have been second or 3rd so get your facts write
Let's do a comparison of a Zero vs a Hellcat shall we? Armor: Hellcat: 200kg & self-sealing fuel tanks Zero: None Armament: Hellcat: 6x50cal Zero: 2x20mm, 2x30cal Speed: Hellcat: 612 km/h Zero: 534 km/h So when you look at it the only advantage the Zero really had was maneuverability, other than that the Hellcat dominates the fight. Just look at what happened at the Marianas Turkey Shoot.
@m4mihulja LOL, where the hell did you pull that from? The IJN pilots were the rookies later on in the war. The Mustang was 100 km/h faster than the Zero and was better armed. The other fighters you listed were better armed too. So if the Hellcat only did 300 km/h, it's slower than a B-17. Wow you're fucking stupid. The B-29 was faster than the Zero for that matter. Fucktard.
@iced8383 Oh, wait you little WRETCH. First, you kicked me away from your channel (don't worry, I also kicked you again), and now you're spewing horseshit here, as usual thinking that you're achieving, what!?
You kicked me just because YOU were totally burned, because I got MANY evidences, proofs clues, and also logical concludes.
While you were (again, as usual) spewing lies and fairy-tales WITHOUT any clue or evidence.
You were/are/will be again BURNED. Reconcile with that, moron.
@iced8383 And yes, the most interesting now is, that you have totally lost a debate of WWII ships, and now you moved to WWII planes a.k.a. another defeat for you.
Don't worry - keep posting lies and idiocy, I'll burn you again, however friends you have.
You know, I envy you - I've burned you all - sol3a1, Tyco200, ssmusic214 had all shit their pants and ran., But only you have enough courage to continue.
@m4mihulja "And yes, the most interesting now is, that you have totally lost a debate of WWII ships, and now you moved to WWII planes a.k.a. another defeat for you." Nope, just haven't replied yet. I have better things to do than put up with you, fuck I don't even know why I'm still bothering with dumbasses like you.
@iced8383 You're a brave man - I never saw a man who despite all of the evidences, proofs and clues which points to the TRUTH, continues to desperately lie so much.
@m4mihulja "I never saw a man who despite all of the evidences, proofs and clues which points to the TRUTH, continues to desperately lie so much." You've barely stated the truth moron. You expect me to believe that the Hellcat is slower than a B-17? Fuck no. Get a clue fucktard.
@m4mihulja The truth is that you don't know shit. The Hellcat is not slower than a B-17. Deal with it. Oh, it looks like you got your boyfriend Tajphoon to erase my last replies. Censoring the truth I see?
@iced8383 Tajphoon? No. You think I'm naive? Nobody erased your last comments. Or, you maybe have a worst symptoms of Brainwash, so you're starting to lie, along with amnesia.
Jeez.
Also, I have never said that Bad-17 is faster than Hellcoffin. From where did you got that? Dreams, maybe?
And read my TWO LAST comment before this one. It truly describes you and your friends a.k.a. idiots.
@m4mihulja So you're saying the Hellcat goes 300 km/h...well the B-17 does 462 km/h. Hilarious. Oh yeah, the B-29 is faster than a Zero. Please get a clue.
@iced8383 Yes, Hellcat's best speed was 300km/h. My clue are books, as always, in contrast to your unreliable web-pages.
Oh again, you're proving your total ignorance. B-29 faster than Zero? Heavy bomber faster than a fighter? That's the same as I can say that Tiger is faster than Stuart, if you know what I'm talking about.
Zero's speed - 600km/h
B-29 speed 300km/h
Please, where's your clue? We're debating few months already, I had at least give some of mine evidences. You didn't at least ONE.
@iced8383 Oh, I do lie? When I told you folks about my book, and gave just everything, from authors to evidences, proofs and hell knows what else, you reaction was - ''Oh yeah m4m, your book is wrong, bla, bla...''
It seems to be that when you now got a book, your states and evidences are automatically true, there's no need for proving them.
Subjective.
Zero > Hellcat in just everything, dude. IJAF > USAF, also.
@m4mihulja i said it once, now im saying it twice... your an idiot... i dont know where u came up with your data, but im glad i never read that book... and i was talking of piston engined fighters, not jets... and as far as i am aware, the horton never saw active service as a fighter or bomber on active operational duty, whwere as the Me 262 did... and yr pissant late model zero never came close to achieving 600 klm.. maybe after the got shot down u clown
@m4mihulja By the way, how the hell is ranking the 51 at the #1 or 2 spot propaganda? It is the fastest prop plane if the bunch, it produced more aces than any other plane in the bunch, it had better range than all the other planes. The only plane that could beat it for speed and rate of climb was the 262. Facts are facts.
The maker of this video based his ranking on armor and he put agility twice. Perhaps he had a few drinks while making it. The Zero had probably the worst armor of any plane in this group. I Agree it was an agile plane with good weaponry no way should it have made the top 5.
@iced8383 I agree completely. The zero had the worst armor of any of the planes. Patton could have shot one down with his ivory handled revolver. This list is so far off the mark. At best the zero shouldn't have made it past the 6th or 7th spot. I wonder what the maker of this video really had on his mind.
@m4mihulja Sorry, didn't type your id in correctly the first time. As I said, the p51 is certainly the best prop plane in this bunch and in a perfect world you and I could go head to head. You take any plane except the 262 and I will take the 51D. You will not win I dont care how good a pilot you may be. The 51 was the greatest prop plane of the era, hands down. How the zero and the 109 beat it out is beyond me. Hell, they put the spitfire at #9. it should be in the top 4.
@m4mihulj yeah, the zero is better. Lol what a joke. Ok, you take any plane in this video except the 262, I will take the 51 d. You will lose I promise you.
it aqll depends on criteria. Is the best plane the most technicaly sophistaced? The late war Italian , Japanese and German fighters were technically as good or better than any allied planes but not built in enough numbers to have any stratigic value. The Sturomik had the greatest production figures but was not a "fighter", followed by the ME-109. The Hurricane was there when it was needed, So was the P-40, So first present a criteria not just opinion without basis.
The A6M Zero was the BEST fighter in WW II (if you don't count jets like Me-262 or HO-229). Zero had speed of over 600km/h, (No PLANE in WW II was that fast), also it was armed with 2x 20mm auto-cannons, which gave it extreme advantage over enemy fighters. Also in the early years of war, Zero's pilots were the best ELITE.
So people, this video is good, stop arguing and admit! :D
umm nearly every fighter after lets say 1941 had speeds of over 600km/h. such as: 109 F2 608km/h (1941): 109k4c3 715km/h (1945): FW190A2 630km/h (1941): FW190A9 670km/h (1944): FW190D9 680km/h (1944) I could keep going but I feel that I have made my point :) wow 2*20mm canons, the fw190A6 has 4*20mm canons. the 190 A9 could have 2*20mm and 2*30mm.
every plane has advantages and disadvantages, including the Zero.
@notsureyou Jeez, looks like started to EXAGGERATE here VERY much, dude. Bf-109 and FW-190 had speed of nearly 700km/h!? and also they both had 4x 20mm cannons!? Little crazy, eh? Listen dude, I don't care if you don't like Japanese. BUT what was that was, and what wasn't that wasn't. No exaggerating, OK?
Also Zero's ONLY (and also minor) disadvantage was thin armor. Nothing more.
I was countering your claim that the Zero was the only plane that was able to do over 600km/h. I like most countries planes, I like the Zero.
Only the 190A's had 4*20mm canons (and 2*13mm mg's), the 109 in a normal configaration from the F series onwards had 2*mg's and 1 canon.
With the Zero the faster it went the Roll rate suffered, and the lack of armour as you said. In a turn and burn it was great, in a fast energy fight not so good.
every plane has good and bad qualities, the trick is to know them, and to manipulate the dogfight so that you are able to utilise your advantages and take advantage of your enemies disadvantages.
Which is why American pilots normally didnt turn and burn with the Zero, they energy fought it.
@notsureyou Replying to me or? OK, everything that you have said on that last comment is correct and it's a simple fact. BUT, look at this fact: In 1941-43. the IJAF's pilots shot down more than 40 USAF tin-cans per day. And what's better, there were 10 Zeroes against 50 Hellcats. And in the end, about 3 (or less) Zeroes were shot down, in contrast to about 40 (or more) Hellcats shot down.
Everything can be achieved with skill, coolness and daring.
Very true, but I'd rather be in a Ki84 than a Zero :)
Faster, as manouverable if not better esp at faster speeds, and some equipped with 4*20mm canons instead of 2* 20mm canons, and a rare few fitted with 2*20mm and 2*30mm canons
@notsureyou Yes, the Ki-84 was a great fighter, same with A6M. The IJAF fighters were the best in WW II. Too sad that many people are just subjective too admit that.
EVERY PLANE had good and bad points, very few countries produced lemon planes.
From the little that I have read, the Japanese never really had an aviation engine supply problem. And so had a diverse range of aircraft in operation. Some good, others great.
But they at least seemed to promote new aircraft design, even when it seemed to be against "tradition" (using inline engines for example was not a natural thing for the Japanese).
@TheDAWinz Really? If you're a woman, (but I don't think that woman knowledge is ''Top 10 WWII fighters''), so all you can do, is suck my shotgun, dude. XD
In my opinion this is how the list would go 10: P-47 "Thunderbolt" 9: Me-109 8: A6M "Zero" 7: Il-2 Sturmovik 6: TBM "Avenger" 5: B-24/B-17 4: P-38 "Lightning" 3: C-47 "Dakota" 2: Gloster "Meteor" 1: Me-262 There you go, don't like, well you can go bail out of the burning He-111 I shot down.
one of the worst you say: Guns yes and no, they were not accurate beyond 600m, but they were meant to kill bombers which those guns did very effectively.
In terms of turning radius, I'll keep it simple, aerial combat is not all about who can turn the tightest.
if I'm in a 262, and you are in a P51 (lets say) I will use my superior speed and climb rate to dictate the fight and well I'm sure you can figure out the rest.
Post ww2 testing: "The USAAF compared the P-80 Shooting Star and Me 262 concluding, "Despite a difference in gross weight of nearly 2,000 lb (900 kg), the Me 262 was superior to the P-80 in acceleration, speed and approximately the same in climb performance. The Me 262 apparently has a higher critical Mach number, from a drag standpoint, than any current Army Air Force fighter."
the tempest was the best rival of the me-262 the spitefire/hurracan bf-190 /fw-190 the best of all time so i thing the mustang dont deserve the first place is not only facts and best looking is the results that make that place also with out the rolls royce engine was a poor plane
@tajphoon. You spelt Focke-wulf. Wrong and do you like wiki for pictures. Cause it sure looks like it. Other than that good video however how comes the spitfires so low and the hurricane so high
Well say what you will, America rides on top to this day. Our poor are rich in 80% of the worlds countries and our military is still 70 years later without equal. Jealousy is a shit sandwich enjoy the flavor!
Lame Americans? I'm just going with the facts my friend. I have read book after book about WWII and the air conflict in particular as a hobby and made it a point to read the 'other side' also to get a fair glimpse of how it really happened, the whats, the whys and what fors.The Zero dominated early on but one was recovered in the Aleutians rebuilt test flown and that is where the Hellcat derived from to oppose the Zero..good plane but not the best.
The Hellcat was designed to take on the Zero...and the Corsair more than held its own it was the first plane to achieve 400 mph at sea level in level flight...the Zero was manuverable but had very little protection from those 8 50cals and the USN came up with the scissor move to take the manuverablity away and lets don't forget about the P-38 that had more kills in the Pacific than any other plane...
@moss8448 You are ignorant fool - The A6M Zero, like I said was the fastest plane in the entire WW2. It had a speed over 600km/h! It had excellent agility, and armament - I don't think that Corsair or any other flying toy can survive 2x 20mm guns! Zero had another great advantage - elite pilots, of which one of them shot down at least 10 shitty Hellcats or other USN toys...
Think about it - You are exaggerating lame Americans, and you don't have any proof to confirm it...
The Allies got VERY lucky with surrender of Germany. If the Germany held out at least few months more, they would have afforded the new Me-262, or better - The Nurflugger Horton, Ho-229, the best of best Axis fighters! That would have been the WORST nightmare for every Allied toy, and one of them would have shot down at least 30 shitty Propaganda P-51...
This is an excellent video. The A6M Zero is definitely the No.1. The fastest (over 600km/h) with best agility, best armed (2x 7,7mm, 2x 20mm), and with elite pilots (especially in first half of war).
Since 1941, all up to 1943 the Japanese pilots confirmed 40-90 kills at day, with at least 5 or only 1 Zero shot down - That was because of poor USN pilots, and low-quality fighters (Hellcat, Wildcat).
@m4mihulja keep sniffing glue, dumbfuck. Since 1941', all up to Midway six months after Pearl Harbor the IJN got 'cockblocked' by the those 'poor' USN pilots. Japan lost 4 carriers and all those elite pilots & crew for a cost of one American aircraft carrier and a destroyer.
@fluffy1931 You lame scum, Japanese pilots were elite as just as Japanese planes - Ever heard of Pearl Harbor you mentally fucked biter?! Your ''Gods'' called Americans lost ENTIRE FLEET in a space of 3 hours for a cost of 29 IJN planes. Not just that - Phillipines, New Guinea, Java, Borneo - about 5000 USN planes lost for a cost of 50 IJN altogether...
@m4mihulja lol ,The 'ENTIRE FLEET' lol, how about those aircraft carriers dumbfuck ? Admiral Yamamoto In retrospect after the japanese attack on Pearl Harbor , .. " sinking ww1 era battleships & sparing the vital dockyards & maintenance shops, and oil depots meant the U.S. could respond relatively quickly to Japanese activities in the Pacific. Yamamoto later regretted Japans decision to withdraw and categorically stated it had been a great mistake not to order a third strike".
@fluffy1931 I admit the lost of 4 carriers at Midway, but that was nothing more than a luck! The Japanese made a mistake of sending all of their planes, without leaving CAP to protect - then the USN showed up and sank them. But you're talking about Midway and I about Pearl - the conclusion is simple: both are air raids, but in Pearl damage inflicted by air power was much more devastating because it was a surprise attack.
@m4mihulja lol,..Admiral Hara Tadaichi summed up the Japanese result by saying, "We won a great tactical victory at Pearl Harbor and thereby lost the war."While the attack accomplished its intended objective, it turned out to be largely unnecessary.
@fluffy1931 And this quote here don't talks about ''USN efficiency and quality'', that talks about unnecessary war and death between two countries which should be in neutral relations. That same applies for Midway, Coral sea and any other battle in Pacific.
@fluffy1931 Why are you so disgusting subjective and you're only looking for a fight, moron? I have nicely described you the some conclusions. Why are you hopelessly looking to exaggerate the USN, when you know that when comparing to the IJN their planes were low-quality and under-gunned.
You are trying to make the one of the greatest Axis victories ever, to a flaw? Nice try but I'm not naive.
@fluffy1931 And about Pearl and Midway - don't fuck. Everyone here knows that Pearl was one of the worst defeats of any fleet in history - Your navy was 90% destroyed in just 3h, with the cost of only 29 IJN planes. In contrast your casualties were - about 50 ships sunk, and about 500 planes destroyed with 2500 men killed.
And about Midway - that was different, the Japanese were really close to victory, but they made a terrible mistake - so Midway was nothing more than a lucky victory!
@m4mihulja Total Pearl Harbor US losses, 4 battleship sunk, 3 battleships damaged, 1 battleship grounded , 2 destroyers sunk ,3 cruisers damaged , 1 destroyer damaged , 3 other ships damaged . Because IJN failed to touch the vital dockyards, maintenance shops, and oil depots and sunk ships in water not deeper than 49 ft. meant the U.S. could respond relatively quickly to Japanese activities in the Pacific.
Midway IJN lost 4 aircraft carriers & 248 aircraft vs US lost of 1 aircraft carrier.
@fluffy1931 You copied all that shit from Wiki! The Japanese targets were aircraft carriers, (unfortunately there were no carriers, so the primary targets were battleships) then planes on three big airfields, and many shipyards, dockyards and oil fields. All these targets were executed perfectly and all ships, planes, airfields and supplies were destroyed...
P.S. do NOT trust Wikipedia, because it is a American encyclopedia which is nastily subjective and liar.
@m4mihulja "Damage to United States Naval Forces and Installations as a Result of the Attack", Report of the Joint Committee on the Investigation of the Pearl Harbor Attack, Washington D.C.: United States Government Printing Office, 1946
@fluffy1931 Now you are getting really irritating, asshole. I have objectively told you the results of the attacks, but you of course are one hell of a stupid and brainwashed American biter and fool, and you don't trust anything. I was having a nice debate with you, but looks like you really are nasty moron like everyone says. You are protecting your own side, just because it's your country - that is subjective, lame and disgusting. YOU are an idiotic American asshole.
@sol3a1 First, I'm not Neo Nazi, because they are fake. I am just a man who study 20th century history, and supports the Axis. I don't like injustice and subjectivity, which dominates in this world due to West and East.
About Balkan people - at least they (even Serbs) know how the Earth looks like, where is Europe or America and which result gives 1+1.
@sol3a1 Oh really nice copied, you are learning nice! So, I was wrong, the Wiki can help people. Pass that your comment to some of your family or friends (if you even have some), and try to learn something that logs, by the way...
@m4mihulja: "Oh really nice copied, you are learning nice!" hehe, you wish. Actually, it is obvious that in a far better indicator of intelligence and education, the use and dissemination of knowledge I wipe the floor with you
For those who want to see m4mihulja in even more humiliating instances displaying his total stupidity check out "Top WWII Battleships and Battlecruisers"
@fluffy1931 And please learn one thing that is especially important for you brainwashed assholes - the history DOESN'T choose side. Now go learn something, and come back, or just leave and go live your fictional American life...
@m4mihulja: "Everyone here knows that Pearl was one of the worst defeats of any fleet in history" yeah, sneak attacks can do that. Yes, the US should have been better prepared but we were not at war, yet. The declaration of war came what 2 or 3 hours AFTER the bombs fell?
As for losses, yeah, they sucked and sucked big time. But as being "one of the worst defeats" in naval records, not really
@sol3a1 Oh yes, only the USN victories were the biggest ones, the IJN were all crap? How subjective are you! The Pearl Harbor was the GREATEST naval defeat of any fleet, and the declaration didn't come 3hours after the attack, it came 1h BEFORE the attack. The Japanese aren't insidious as the Americans. And about your ''great'' victories - they were achieved by sending 1000 planes to 2 ships, really how great they are. Lame.
@m4mihulja: "Oh yes, only the USN victories were the biggest ones" not at all but you seem to forget that the USN won anything at all
Still those battles I mentioned were greater defeats on the IJN than Pearl Harbor. Of the 8 USN BBs sunk, only 2 remained that way and rejoined the war with a few of them taking out their anger on contemporary IJN BBs
IJN victory over the Russians was great too
Pearl Harbor's a fight like saying a thief in the knife who cuts a sleeping person's throat is brave
@MrCastodian: "If America could and got tha chanse, they do it too" of course we did "Midway anyone?" but I can't recall a single time the US did that before we were in a shooting war
@MrCastodian: "US attacks against Libya in 1986!" while I could quibble about it, I'll concede your point . If I remember almost 50 F-111 took part in that raid
"Is nothing to talk about, everyone does it if they can, is not cowardly, is tactics" true.
@sol3a1 Hehe, You cant be an American, they never agree :)
There are many who think it is cowardly, personally, I think that war o conflicts you have to be win in the best possible way. For ex Hiroshima and Nagasaki probebly saved US 3-500 000 soldiers in WW2. Bombers, Stelth, Tomahawks, guerrillas, and also terorism is ways to win the war on the cheap and efektiv way!
But can understand that people might take offense, especially with terrorism as a weapon of war.
@MrCastodian "Hehe, You cant be an American, they never agree :)" hey, you got me. In truth I was thinking "sneak attack before going to a full on shooting war" but you are right
Any attack that is done under covert operations is a sneak attack, my bad
@MrCastodian "Then we shall fight about the parts you do not agree with :)" Great! Now what shall we disagree and fight about? I am an American so I really do need to show I'm "right"!
@MrCastodian: I don't know if the question should be stated, "Is it right for example Hamas of us terrorism to be free from Isreal?" but instead:
"Is it right for any group to oppose oppression, tyranny, etc" The resounding answer is, "HELL YES"
To the more specific "Hamas/Palestinians vs Israel", hell, I really don't know. IMO, they're both wrong and both driven by religious hatred. I hope they'll settle it out, the Palestinians and Jews forming a secular state but I won't hold my breath
@MrCastodian: Answers depends on what's being fought for and what they do if they win. Will they setup a secular and democratic government? Do they want a religious theocracy? Is a charismatic demagogue with a cult like following who wants to get things they way THEY want so they convince others that some group is taking away their freedoms?
@sol3a1 But have we the right to judge their purposes if it is about their country?
They fight a country that occupies them, then if they want Sharia is their choice, as long as they do not force the Sharia on the population., And Hamas is elected democratically.
I believe that the U.S. is ridiculously religious, that does not gives me the right to judge the U.S. as a country and put me to judge over your religion and those who are religious?
@MrCastodian: Well, I am an atheist and I've "come out of the atheist closet" in that regards to my family, friends and even at work in the US South so I know how much the US is stupidly religious
"But have we the right to judge their purposes if it is about their country?" That my friend is the $64,000 question. Getting out of "what can or should an outsider do?" we still have to ask, who in the country gets to decide what "their country can do"? Religious leaders who rule by fear? The rich?
@MrCastodian: It is the same as saying, "who can intervene in another family's internal affairs?" Is it right to let the dad beat his wife and kids because it is HIS house? Do we take the kids away for abusing their parents because the parents feel that "their children need to express themselves"?
When does anyone's rights become a liability to the whole?
One thing I know is never talked about when it comes to a person's rights are what their responsibilities are to the group
@sol3a1 Yes, you have a good point, of course should we care when we see a problem, is a difficult question this.
But who sets the rules, who decides what is right or wrong?
Shall it be the force of arms as it is today?
Should there be a democratic wote which determines what is right or wrong, like the UN, or should we not put our nose in others buissnis when we have our hands full of blood??
@MrCastodian "But who sets the rules, who decides what is right or wrong?" just a variation on the "Golden Rule"
One should always ask themselves if they would like what they do to others done to them. Also, what the whims and wants of some deity wants should never be considered
"Shall it be the force of arms as it is today?" until despots, tyrants, religious fanatics, oligarchs and other oppressors begin to be able to be swayed by logic and reason, can you see another way?
@MrCastodian "but both are at the same time democratically elected" are they really? It is my understanding that Israel has issues with many of its Arab, et al, population and who was allowed to vote for or against Hamas? Could women vote?
"One is backed by the United States, the other uses his only weapon, terror" which sucks, both of them. Time to let them solve it themselves
I hope I'm not ruining the idea that all Americans are knee jerk retards for you ;)
@sol3a1 They are demokrtisk elected Hamas, with observers from the EU and UN, election have been proper according to all parties, including the U.S., George Bush said.
- Reminds me of the power of democracy
- When people get the chance to choose, they will show you what they think, it's the beauty of democracy. The election results are a sign that the Palestinians were not satisfied with the situation.
I will find a discussion where you become the stereotype of an knee jerk retard American:)
@MrCastodian: OBTW, this is why I think democracy is the best type of government: "Democratically Elected governments give the people exactly the government they deserve"
Witness the Tea Party and how they screwed the places up where they were elected
@MrCastodian: "They fight a country that occupies them" that is their right to do so
"then if they want Sharia is their choice, as long as they do not force the Sharia on the population" true but one thing about Sharia is that it is all encompassing. Also, I don't find any religious law to be anything a rational person would want to place themselves under. In Sharia Law, the punishment for apostasy is death and if someone doesn't want to live under Sharia law, they can be killed
@fluffy1931 But when comparing USN and IJN air power, there is conclusion: The IJN air force is much more better trained, had much better aircraft of all classes - better fighters, dive, torpedo and heavy bombers, which had been proven from the begin of the war, so until 1944., when the Japanese elite pilots were all dead or missing, and on one Zero came down up to 10 Hellcats.
The USN only had advantage in faster production, but not in combat efficiency.
@m4mihulja lol,..Midway happened roughly six months after Pearl Harbor Jun 4-7 1942' the IJN lost 4 aircraft carriers & 248 aircraft.
After Midway IJN replacement pilots went through an abbreviated training regimen, meeting the short-term needs of the fleet;in the long run future IJN replacement pilots declined in quality of training. These inexperienced pilots were fed into front-line units. As a result, Japanese naval air groups progressively declined in overall quality during the war.
@fluffy1931 Same thing that I responded in Top 10 BB's, you're right, from 1944. so until the end of war, the Japanese were sending untrained men to war in a hurry, making mistake, but what else they could do? On one IJN came down 10 or more USN planes. But that doesn't represents them as bad or poorly trained. Through the whole Pacific war they had better planes and ships, and in 1st half of war they had proven their bravery and efficiency.
4 Things. Zero at first place. Understantable.-- Hurricane 3.rd, doesn't seem right.--at 6:45 there is a Quick bomber varification of Me262. Schwalbe, i think.-- And it's Focke-Wulf, not Wolf. But in total a realistic and pretty good and honest video.
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really! the zero are you sure no armour at all it is your opinion and you are entitled to it but i would have the mustang a bit higher and i would add the corsair and the wildcat
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skipstalforce 2 days ago
the best fight of world war 2 you dip shits was the fucking hawker tornado
shiggy011 2 days ago
@shiggy011 so how does a prototype with a crap engine that never entered service the best fighter in world war 2 dipshit? really hope your taking the piss.
pramboy09 2 days ago
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@pramboy09 it did enter service one was shot down by ww2 ace Richard Candilaria and i think he put it in for the technical achievement of beig the first jet fighter definetly a major leap forward
japcarsuck 1 hour ago
@shiggy011
I see your Hwaker Tornado, and raise you a He100D-1 !!
;-P
notsureyou 10 hours ago
But where are Hawker Tempest and the Dora-type late FW?
TheMrPangloss 5 days ago
@boeing747ba
I agree: The Spitfire was one of the most reliable planes in WWII
I would not have placed the Zero at rank 1 because they had serious problems with the fuel tank armour.
German and British planes are the best (my opinion) altough the Bf 109 often crashed when landing...
ThePhlogistinator 1 week ago
@ThePhlogistinator I don't agree with that.
The A6M Zero was the most successful fighter of WWII. it had the most elite pilots along with Luftwaffe ones, also it had excellent speed, armament and the best agility.
At the beginning of the war in the Pacific, the IJAF shot down more than 40 USAF and RAF planes per day, without losing more than 10 Zeroes.
m4mihulja 1 week ago
@m4mihulja disagree with you, the zero was only a successful fighter from 1941-42 when the hellcat, cosair, spitfire IX came into play the zero stopped being a meance, especially with the correct tactics.
pramboy09 1 week ago
@pramboy09 Zero was the best fighter when looking performances. In fact, best fighter of WWII was the German Me-262.
But, when talking about Zero, it, had the best agility, ceiling and maneuverability, not even Corsair and Mustang managed to beat it in that performances.
It was also armed with 2x 20mm guns, which was a very dangerous firepower, even for heavy bombers.
Also, the IJAF pilots were the most elite, right behind LW ones. The USAF pilots were rookies through the whole war.
m4mihulja 1 week ago
@m4mihulja you were never going to out turn a zero because it was lacking armour and selfsealing fuel tanks, but all of those aircraft i mentioned are 40-60mph faster and can climb alot faster than the zero which was both used in defeating a zero. maneuverability is fine in close quarter fighting but is no use in the climb. the 20mm cannon of the zero had a very short range so needed to be very close to be effective, no good if you are fighting aircraft that a hell of alot faster.
pramboy09 4 days ago
@m4mihulja
pehaps below 400km/h, but over 400km/h it didnt turn too good, every 109 from the F series onwards turned better than it (the Zero at speeds over 400km/h. Heck even the fw190 A9 turned better than the Zero at those speeds, and it had 4*20mm canons and 2*13mm mg.
Zero great at the start, not at the end, the Ki84 is a much superior plane to the Zero.
notsureyou 10 hours ago
the only decent war planes in this vid are spitfire hurricane messerschmit 109 and the messerschmit 232
boeing747ba 1 week ago
Were there jets in ww2?
alealeBB 3 weeks ago
@alealeBB
yes the Me - 262 was the first jet built by Germans
97JoshFreak97 2 weeks ago
your obvoiusly a nip, also an idiot, the best ...piston engined fighter of the war turned out to be focke-wulf 190D.... did the nakijima "frank" get a mention? aparently it was also an awsesome aircraft
oscarthegrouch68 3 weeks ago
@oscarthegrouch68 I must disagree. The best was A6M5 Zero, if you don't count jet engines. But, best of all was HO-229, if you count them, of course.
m4mihulja 3 weeks ago
its FOCKE WULF--- not--- FOCKE WOLF-----GET IT RIGHT
oscarthegrouch68 3 weeks ago
it was not the japenes ones it was the spitfires the controled the air in ww2 thats not 9 americans should have been second or 3rd so get your facts write
elfoghorn1222 1 month ago
iced8383 1 month ago
@iced8383 Let's do a comparison of a Zero vs Hellcat, Wildcat, Warhawk, Mustang and flying tin can named Corsair, shall we?
Zero - speed 600km/h, armament 2x 7,7mm, 2x 20mm
Hellcoffin - speed 300km/h, armament 2x 50.cal
Wildgrave - speed 300km/h armament 4x 30.cal
Warchicken - speed 400km/h armament 2x 30.cal
Mustbang - speed 500km/h, armament 2x50.,2x30.cal
Corshit - speed 500km/h, armament 2x50.,2x30.cal
IJN pilots - Elite
USN pilots - Rookies
I think we now understand each other, hehe...XD
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja LOL, where the hell did you pull that from? The IJN pilots were the rookies later on in the war. The Mustang was 100 km/h faster than the Zero and was better armed. The other fighters you listed were better armed too. So if the Hellcat only did 300 km/h, it's slower than a B-17. Wow you're fucking stupid. The B-29 was faster than the Zero for that matter. Fucktard.
iced8383 1 month ago
@iced8383 i agrre with u totally dude, he's obviously a slopehead (m4mihulja), cant see shit out of those slant eyes
oscarthegrouch68 3 weeks ago
@oscarthegrouch68 Yeah, but I have to disappoint you dude...He's now nothing more than worthless shell of a long time squashed roach...
As same as you will be if you continue spewing horseshit.
Also, if you think that you do know more about WWII than I, then show it, you dickhead.
I posted 1000 comments with proofs, knowledge, logical concludes, clues, and hell knows what else.
You, will be another squashed history, i think...
m4mihulja 3 weeks ago
@m4mihulja Oh, did I say the Mustang was 100 km/h faster than the Zero? I meant 100 mph.
iced8383 1 month ago
@iced8383 Oh, wait you little WRETCH. First, you kicked me away from your channel (don't worry, I also kicked you again), and now you're spewing horseshit here, as usual thinking that you're achieving, what!?
You kicked me just because YOU were totally burned, because I got MANY evidences, proofs clues, and also logical concludes.
While you were (again, as usual) spewing lies and fairy-tales WITHOUT any clue or evidence.
You were/are/will be again BURNED. Reconcile with that, moron.
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@iced8383 And yes, the most interesting now is, that you have totally lost a debate of WWII ships, and now you moved to WWII planes a.k.a. another defeat for you.
Don't worry - keep posting lies and idiocy, I'll burn you again, however friends you have.
You know, I envy you - I've burned you all - sol3a1, Tyco200, ssmusic214 had all shit their pants and ran., But only you have enough courage to continue.
m4mihulja 1 month ago
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@m4mihulja "And yes, the most interesting now is, that you have totally lost a debate of WWII ships, and now you moved to WWII planes a.k.a. another defeat for you." Nope, just haven't replied yet. I have better things to do than put up with you, fuck I don't even know why I'm still bothering with dumbasses like you.
iced8383 1 month ago
@iced8383 You're a brave man - I never saw a man who despite all of the evidences, proofs and clues which points to the TRUTH, continues to desperately lie so much.
Very good.
m4mihulja 1 month ago
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@m4mihulja "I never saw a man who despite all of the evidences, proofs and clues which points to the TRUTH, continues to desperately lie so much." You've barely stated the truth moron. You expect me to believe that the Hellcat is slower than a B-17? Fuck no. Get a clue fucktard.
iced8383 1 month ago
@m4mihulja The truth is that you don't know shit. The Hellcat is not slower than a B-17. Deal with it. Oh, it looks like you got your boyfriend Tajphoon to erase my last replies. Censoring the truth I see?
iced8383 1 month ago
@iced8383 Tajphoon? No. You think I'm naive? Nobody erased your last comments. Or, you maybe have a worst symptoms of Brainwash, so you're starting to lie, along with amnesia.
Jeez.
Also, I have never said that Bad-17 is faster than Hellcoffin. From where did you got that? Dreams, maybe?
And read my TWO LAST comment before this one. It truly describes you and your friends a.k.a. idiots.
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja So you're saying the Hellcat goes 300 km/h...well the B-17 does 462 km/h. Hilarious. Oh yeah, the B-29 is faster than a Zero. Please get a clue.
iced8383 1 month ago
@iced8383 Yes, Hellcat's best speed was 300km/h. My clue are books, as always, in contrast to your unreliable web-pages.
Oh again, you're proving your total ignorance. B-29 faster than Zero? Heavy bomber faster than a fighter? That's the same as I can say that Tiger is faster than Stuart, if you know what I'm talking about.
Zero's speed - 600km/h
B-29 speed 300km/h
Please, where's your clue? We're debating few months already, I had at least give some of mine evidences. You didn't at least ONE.
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja Here's a quote from "Aircraft of World War II" by Robert Jackson, page 78, F6F Hellcat.
"Performance: Maximum speed 620 km/h at medium altitude."
Page 156, Mitsubishi A6M2 Zero.
"Performance: Maximum speed 565 km/h"
And what about the B-29? Page 24:
"Performance: Maximum speed: 576 km/h"
All right, there's a source that confirms my claim. Now tell me, where does it say that the B-29 and the Hellcat only did 300 km/h?
iced8383 1 month ago
@iced8383 Finally! At least you give one evidence!
I know about that book, R. Jackson is one of 6 writers of mine book ''Ships''. But how can I know that you're telling the truth?
Also, my evidence is coming from book called ''Fighters of WWII'':
A6M5 Zero speed: 590km/h
F6F Hellcat speed: 360km/h
Different opinions of authors, or just a lie?
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja Your source seems to be the lie granted that the books I have confirm that the Hellcat was faster than the Zero. I'll quote them in a bit.
iced8383 1 month ago
@iced8383 Oh, I do lie? When I told you folks about my book, and gave just everything, from authors to evidences, proofs and hell knows what else, you reaction was - ''Oh yeah m4m, your book is wrong, bla, bla...''
It seems to be that when you now got a book, your states and evidences are automatically true, there's no need for proving them.
Subjective.
Zero > Hellcat in just everything, dude. IJAF > USAF, also.
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja I have other books that will confirm my claim. How about "Flight: The Complete History" by R.G. Grant, page 235 under F6F-5 Hellcat:
"Top Speed 380mph (612 kph)"
iced8383 1 month ago
@iced8383 I told you mine sources. There's no point arguing because you're not going to acknowledge mine opinion, and neither I would yours.
What now, then?
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja i said it once, now im saying it twice... your an idiot... i dont know where u came up with your data, but im glad i never read that book... and i was talking of piston engined fighters, not jets... and as far as i am aware, the horton never saw active service as a fighter or bomber on active operational duty, whwere as the Me 262 did... and yr pissant late model zero never came close to achieving 600 klm.. maybe after the got shot down u clown
oscarthegrouch68 3 weeks ago
@iced8383 Also, overall, the best plane ever made in WWII was a Luftwaffe JET called ME-262.
If single Zero could shot down more than 10 USN tin-cans, now think how many USN flying coffins would a single ME-262 shot down!?
LOSER
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja The ME262 only ruled the skies for a short period of time. Then Mustang pilots figured out how to counter it. There went its dominance.
iced8383 1 month ago
@m4mihulja By the way, how the hell is ranking the 51 at the #1 or 2 spot propaganda? It is the fastest prop plane if the bunch, it produced more aces than any other plane in the bunch, it had better range than all the other planes. The only plane that could beat it for speed and rate of climb was the 262. Facts are facts.
namznej 1 month ago
@namznej And the 262 had its own weaknesses. Jumping one on takeoff or landing was a common tactic.
iced8383 1 month ago
The maker of this video based his ranking on armor and he put agility twice. Perhaps he had a few drinks while making it. The Zero had probably the worst armor of any plane in this group. I Agree it was an agile plane with good weaponry no way should it have made the top 5.
namznej 1 month ago
@iced8383 I agree completely. The zero had the worst armor of any of the planes. Patton could have shot one down with his ivory handled revolver. This list is so far off the mark. At best the zero shouldn't have made it past the 6th or 7th spot. I wonder what the maker of this video really had on his mind.
namznej 1 month ago
@m4mihulja Sorry, didn't type your id in correctly the first time. As I said, the p51 is certainly the best prop plane in this bunch and in a perfect world you and I could go head to head. You take any plane except the 262 and I will take the 51D. You will not win I dont care how good a pilot you may be. The 51 was the greatest prop plane of the era, hands down. How the zero and the 109 beat it out is beyond me. Hell, they put the spitfire at #9. it should be in the top 4.
namznej 1 month ago
Zero as #1? LMAO. As soon as the Hellcat was introduced and even before that the Zero was outclassed.
iced8383 1 month ago
@m4mihulj yeah, the zero is better. Lol what a joke. Ok, you take any plane in this video except the 262, I will take the 51 d. You will lose I promise you.
namznej 1 month ago
P51 #5. Really? You need to do your homework. Ask anyone and they would take the p51 over any other plane of the time except maybe the me 262.
namznej 1 month ago
@namznej Propaganda P-51 No.2 or 1. for you??? Don't think so, pal...
m4mihulja 1 month ago
the p-51 out class the british and jap planes no offence cause its ur opion
ww2guy100 1 month ago
@ww2guy100
the p51 (with a british engine) def out performed both Japanese and British planes in terms of RANGE in terms of as a dogfighter... NO
notsureyou 1 month ago
P-51D mustang hands down best fighter of world war 2
TheDAWinz 1 month ago
@TheDAWinz
in terms of range yes.
notsureyou 1 month ago
it aqll depends on criteria. Is the best plane the most technicaly sophistaced? The late war Italian , Japanese and German fighters were technically as good or better than any allied planes but not built in enough numbers to have any stratigic value. The Sturomik had the greatest production figures but was not a "fighter", followed by the ME-109. The Hurricane was there when it was needed, So was the P-40, So first present a criteria not just opinion without basis.
scottduncan44 1 month ago
The A6M Zero was the BEST fighter in WW II (if you don't count jets like Me-262 or HO-229). Zero had speed of over 600km/h, (No PLANE in WW II was that fast), also it was armed with 2x 20mm auto-cannons, which gave it extreme advantage over enemy fighters. Also in the early years of war, Zero's pilots were the best ELITE.
So people, this video is good, stop arguing and admit! :D
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja
umm nearly every fighter after lets say 1941 had speeds of over 600km/h. such as: 109 F2 608km/h (1941): 109k4c3 715km/h (1945): FW190A2 630km/h (1941): FW190A9 670km/h (1944): FW190D9 680km/h (1944) I could keep going but I feel that I have made my point :) wow 2*20mm canons, the fw190A6 has 4*20mm canons. the 190 A9 could have 2*20mm and 2*30mm.
every plane has advantages and disadvantages, including the Zero.
notsureyou 1 month ago
@notsureyou Jeez, looks like started to EXAGGERATE here VERY much, dude. Bf-109 and FW-190 had speed of nearly 700km/h!? and also they both had 4x 20mm cannons!? Little crazy, eh? Listen dude, I don't care if you don't like Japanese. BUT what was that was, and what wasn't that wasn't. No exaggerating, OK?
Also Zero's ONLY (and also minor) disadvantage was thin armor. Nothing more.
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@m4mihulja
I was countering your claim that the Zero was the only plane that was able to do over 600km/h. I like most countries planes, I like the Zero.
Only the 190A's had 4*20mm canons (and 2*13mm mg's), the 109 in a normal configaration from the F series onwards had 2*mg's and 1 canon.
With the Zero the faster it went the Roll rate suffered, and the lack of armour as you said. In a turn and burn it was great, in a fast energy fight not so good.
notsureyou 1 month ago
@notsureyou
every plane has good and bad qualities, the trick is to know them, and to manipulate the dogfight so that you are able to utilise your advantages and take advantage of your enemies disadvantages.
Which is why American pilots normally didnt turn and burn with the Zero, they energy fought it.
notsureyou 1 month ago
@notsureyou Replying to me or? OK, everything that you have said on that last comment is correct and it's a simple fact. BUT, look at this fact: In 1941-43. the IJAF's pilots shot down more than 40 USAF tin-cans per day. And what's better, there were 10 Zeroes against 50 Hellcats. And in the end, about 3 (or less) Zeroes were shot down, in contrast to about 40 (or more) Hellcats shot down.
Everything can be achieved with skill, coolness and daring.
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja
Very true, but I'd rather be in a Ki84 than a Zero :)
Faster, as manouverable if not better esp at faster speeds, and some equipped with 4*20mm canons instead of 2* 20mm canons, and a rare few fitted with 2*20mm and 2*30mm canons
notsureyou 1 month ago
@notsureyou Yes, the Ki-84 was a great fighter, same with A6M. The IJAF fighters were the best in WW II. Too sad that many people are just subjective too admit that.
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja
EVERY PLANE had good and bad points, very few countries produced lemon planes.
From the little that I have read, the Japanese never really had an aviation engine supply problem. And so had a diverse range of aircraft in operation. Some good, others great.
But they at least seemed to promote new aircraft design, even when it seemed to be against "tradition" (using inline engines for example was not a natural thing for the Japanese).
notsureyou 1 month ago
@m4mihulja The zero if you nosed down just a little would shut off the engine.
TheDAWinz 1 month ago
@TheDAWinz Yeah, yeah, did you actually know that Mustang simply exploded, when you tried started the engine?
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja Lol, thats bs. What i said about the zero was true.
TheDAWinz 1 month ago
@TheDAWinz Also, for me. What I said about P-51 is also ''TRUE''.
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja Then we must have sex.
TheDAWinz 1 month ago
@TheDAWinz Really? If you're a woman, (but I don't think that woman knowledge is ''Top 10 WWII fighters''), so all you can do, is suck my shotgun, dude. XD
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja Is it double gaged?
TheDAWinz 1 month ago
@TheDAWinz Of course! 12,7mm full shot! =D
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@m4mihulja My favorite!
TheDAWinz 1 month ago
@TheDAWinz I'm glad! :)
m4mihulja 1 month ago
@TheDAWinz
I've never read that, I knew about that fault in the early and(from memory) all hurricaines.
notsureyou 1 month ago
No way,BF-109 should be listed in 2 :P
Metalicalypse 1 month ago
gradeadouchebag 1 month ago
@gradeadouchebag lucky you... you were in WWII , so does it feal nice to shoot those HE111? I didnt know rly old ppl have youtube accounts XD
Tajphoon 1 month ago
@Tajphoon but u cant say that the fucking zero is one of the best ?!? the me 109 is ab briliant plane and its only toped by the me 262
Kully211 1 month ago
@Tajphoon named gradeadouchbag like wtf grandpa go back to putting a stick up your ass!!
KILLERQ72 1 month ago
@gradeadouchebag
except that the IL2 is a ground attack plane
notsureyou 1 month ago
@gradeadouchebag me-262 jet was one of the worst had the worst turning radius bad guns the p-51 and p-80 out class that plane
ww2guy100 1 month ago
@ww2guy100
one of the worst you say: Guns yes and no, they were not accurate beyond 600m, but they were meant to kill bombers which those guns did very effectively.
In terms of turning radius, I'll keep it simple, aerial combat is not all about who can turn the tightest.
notsureyou 1 month ago
@notsureyou
if I'm in a 262, and you are in a P51 (lets say) I will use my superior speed and climb rate to dictate the fight and well I'm sure you can figure out the rest.
notsureyou 1 month ago
@notsureyou
Post ww2 testing: "The USAAF compared the P-80 Shooting Star and Me 262 concluding, "Despite a difference in gross weight of nearly 2,000 lb (900 kg), the Me 262 was superior to the P-80 in acceleration, speed and approximately the same in climb performance. The Me 262 apparently has a higher critical Mach number, from a drag standpoint, than any current Army Air Force fighter."
notsureyou 1 month ago
@notsureyou the p-38 has just as good guns and can turn 3x as good but the germans did make the jet which evolved history
ww2guy100 1 month ago
the la-5fn / 7 gives the top ace of the allies
the tempest was the best rival of the me-262 the spitefire/hurracan bf-190 /fw-190 the best of all time so i thing the mustang dont deserve the first place is not only facts and best looking is the results that make that place also with out the rolls royce engine was a poor plane
salomonTVF02 1 month ago
I think the Japanese Namijima Kikka was a better Jet the the Me 262 and even a Jet.
Vilicus3 1 month ago
nice
But we all mustn´t forget, that a lot of blood an tears are in their cockpits.
Never forget the true colour of war.
Rest in peace
Ruhe in Frieden
Покойся с миром
平和の残り
Sorry, when russia and japanese translate is a bit wrong, but even as a japanese I can´t handle all letters cause i live in germany
stachelsamurai 2 months ago
wy is the Spitfire so low???
polvan2 2 months ago
why is it that the zero is 1 and the mustang is 5.
at least, your the best, you consider the me 262 jet fighter to be 2
TheDecepticonsrule 2 months ago
@tajphoon. You spelt Focke-wulf. Wrong and do you like wiki for pictures. Cause it sure looks like it. Other than that good video however how comes the spitfires so low and the hurricane so high
emporatikatrox 2 months ago
arigatou zero ha kuubo wo sizumemasita
Thank you ZeroFighfter Aircraft carrier It sank.
p461869 2 months ago
Well say what you will, America rides on top to this day. Our poor are rich in 80% of the worlds countries and our military is still 70 years later without equal. Jealousy is a shit sandwich enjoy the flavor!
johnniesi 2 months ago
喷火才第九位，开什么玩笑！
chris42076301 3 months ago
Lame Americans? I'm just going with the facts my friend. I have read book after book about WWII and the air conflict in particular as a hobby and made it a point to read the 'other side' also to get a fair glimpse of how it really happened, the whats, the whys and what fors.The Zero dominated early on but one was recovered in the Aleutians rebuilt test flown and that is where the Hellcat derived from to oppose the Zero..good plane but not the best.
moss8448 3 months ago
The Hellcat was designed to take on the Zero...and the Corsair more than held its own it was the first plane to achieve 400 mph at sea level in level flight...the Zero was manuverable but had very little protection from those 8 50cals and the USN came up with the scissor move to take the manuverablity away and lets don't forget about the P-38 that had more kills in the Pacific than any other plane...
moss8448 3 months ago
@moss8448 You are ignorant fool - The A6M Zero, like I said was the fastest plane in the entire WW2. It had a speed over 600km/h! It had excellent agility, and armament - I don't think that Corsair or any other flying toy can survive 2x 20mm guns! Zero had another great advantage - elite pilots, of which one of them shot down at least 10 shitty Hellcats or other USN toys...
Think about it - You are exaggerating lame Americans, and you don't have any proof to confirm it...
m4mihulja 3 months ago
the best of the best ME 109 !!
majorCougar109 3 months ago
The Allies got VERY lucky with surrender of Germany. If the Germany held out at least few months more, they would have afforded the new Me-262, or better - The Nurflugger Horton, Ho-229, the best of best Axis fighters! That would have been the WORST nightmare for every Allied toy, and one of them would have shot down at least 30 shitty Propaganda P-51...
m4mihulja 3 months ago
This is an excellent video. The A6M Zero is definitely the No.1. The fastest (over 600km/h) with best agility, best armed (2x 7,7mm, 2x 20mm), and with elite pilots (especially in first half of war).
Since 1941, all up to 1943 the Japanese pilots confirmed 40-90 kills at day, with at least 5 or only 1 Zero shot down - That was because of poor USN pilots, and low-quality fighters (Hellcat, Wildcat).
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja keep sniffing glue, dumbfuck. Since 1941', all up to Midway six months after Pearl Harbor the IJN got 'cockblocked' by the those 'poor' USN pilots. Japan lost 4 carriers and all those elite pilots & crew for a cost of one American aircraft carrier and a destroyer.
pls gtfoh assclown
fluffy1931 3 months ago
@fluffy1931 You lame scum, Japanese pilots were elite as just as Japanese planes - Ever heard of Pearl Harbor you mentally fucked biter?! Your ''Gods'' called Americans lost ENTIRE FLEET in a space of 3 hours for a cost of 29 IJN planes. Not just that - Phillipines, New Guinea, Java, Borneo - about 5000 USN planes lost for a cost of 50 IJN altogether...
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja lol ,The 'ENTIRE FLEET' lol, how about those aircraft carriers dumbfuck ? Admiral Yamamoto In retrospect after the japanese attack on Pearl Harbor , .. " sinking ww1 era battleships & sparing the vital dockyards & maintenance shops, and oil depots meant the U.S. could respond relatively quickly to Japanese activities in the Pacific. Yamamoto later regretted Japans decision to withdraw and categorically stated it had been a great mistake not to order a third strike".
fluffy1931 3 months ago
@fluffy1931 I admit the lost of 4 carriers at Midway, but that was nothing more than a luck! The Japanese made a mistake of sending all of their planes, without leaving CAP to protect - then the USN showed up and sank them. But you're talking about Midway and I about Pearl - the conclusion is simple: both are air raids, but in Pearl damage inflicted by air power was much more devastating because it was a surprise attack.
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja lol,..Admiral Hara Tadaichi summed up the Japanese result by saying, "We won a great tactical victory at Pearl Harbor and thereby lost the war."While the attack accomplished its intended objective, it turned out to be largely unnecessary.
fluffy1931 3 months ago
@fluffy1931 And this quote here don't talks about ''USN efficiency and quality'', that talks about unnecessary war and death between two countries which should be in neutral relations. That same applies for Midway, Coral sea and any other battle in Pacific.
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja lol, what are you talking about? The Pearl Harbor attack was a 'pre-emptive' on the part of the IJN and it was badly done.
The Battle of Midway IJN got 'pwnd' lost 4 aircraft carriers & 248 aircraft versus one US aircraft carrier.
How "USN efficient & quality" is that.
try again.
fluffy1931 3 months ago
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@fluffy1931 Why are you so disgusting subjective and you're only looking for a fight, moron? I have nicely described you the some conclusions. Why are you hopelessly looking to exaggerate the USN, when you know that when comparing to the IJN their planes were low-quality and under-gunned.
You are trying to make the one of the greatest Axis victories ever, to a flaw? Nice try but I'm not naive.
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@fluffy1931 And about Pearl and Midway - don't fuck. Everyone here knows that Pearl was one of the worst defeats of any fleet in history - Your navy was 90% destroyed in just 3h, with the cost of only 29 IJN planes. In contrast your casualties were - about 50 ships sunk, and about 500 planes destroyed with 2500 men killed.
And about Midway - that was different, the Japanese were really close to victory, but they made a terrible mistake - so Midway was nothing more than a lucky victory!
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja Total Pearl Harbor US losses, 4 battleship sunk, 3 battleships damaged, 1 battleship grounded , 2 destroyers sunk ,3 cruisers damaged , 1 destroyer damaged , 3 other ships damaged . Because IJN failed to touch the vital dockyards, maintenance shops, and oil depots and sunk ships in water not deeper than 49 ft. meant the U.S. could respond relatively quickly to Japanese activities in the Pacific.
Midway IJN lost 4 aircraft carriers & 248 aircraft vs US lost of 1 aircraft carrier.
fluffy1931 3 months ago
@fluffy1931 You copied all that shit from Wiki! The Japanese targets were aircraft carriers, (unfortunately there were no carriers, so the primary targets were battleships) then planes on three big airfields, and many shipyards, dockyards and oil fields. All these targets were executed perfectly and all ships, planes, airfields and supplies were destroyed...
P.S. do NOT trust Wikipedia, because it is a American encyclopedia which is nastily subjective and liar.
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja "Damage to United States Naval Forces and Installations as a Result of the Attack", Report of the Joint Committee on the Investigation of the Pearl Harbor Attack, Washington D.C.: United States Government Printing Office, 1946
PS dumbshit.
now pls go and fuck yourself sideways assclown.
fluffy1931 3 months ago
@fluffy1931 Now you are getting really irritating, asshole. I have objectively told you the results of the attacks, but you of course are one hell of a stupid and brainwashed American biter and fool, and you don't trust anything. I was having a nice debate with you, but looks like you really are nasty moron like everyone says. You are protecting your own side, just because it's your country - that is subjective, lame and disgusting. YOU are an idiotic American asshole.
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja from your post 'dumbfuck' - quote " Your navy was 90% destroyed ,..."
pls go fuck yourself sideways.
fluffy1931 3 months ago
@fluffy1931: don't worry, m4mihulja is just another Neo Nazi from the Balkans
Nothing to worry about
sol3a1 3 months ago
@sol3a1 First, I'm not Neo Nazi, because they are fake. I am just a man who study 20th century history, and supports the Axis. I don't like injustice and subjectivity, which dominates in this world due to West and East.
About Balkan people - at least they (even Serbs) know how the Earth looks like, where is Europe or America and which result gives 1+1.
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja: "First, I'm not Neo Nazi, because they are fake" so you're a real Nazi? Okay, I stand corrected
"I don't like injustice and subjectivity" which contradict you being a Nazi
"where is Europe or America and which result gives 1+1"
Europe's on Earth's Northern Hemisphere (toward Polaris) and is one of the Earth's major Continents
North America is likewise on the N Hemisphere but approx 55 deg West of the UTC, from east tip of Canada to Ireland (75 deg NY to London)
1+1 = 2
Next
sol3a1 3 months ago
@sol3a1 Oh really nice copied, you are learning nice! So, I was wrong, the Wiki can help people. Pass that your comment to some of your family or friends (if you even have some), and try to learn something that logs, by the way...
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja: "Oh really nice copied, you are learning nice!" hehe, you wish. Actually, it is obvious that in a far better indicator of intelligence and education, the use and dissemination of knowledge I wipe the floor with you
For those who want to see m4mihulja in even more humiliating instances displaying his total stupidity check out "Top WWII Battleships and Battlecruisers"
Later dog
sol3a1 3 months ago
@fluffy1931 And please learn one thing that is especially important for you brainwashed assholes - the history DOESN'T choose side. Now go learn something, and come back, or just leave and go live your fictional American life...
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja: "Everyone here knows that Pearl was one of the worst defeats of any fleet in history" yeah, sneak attacks can do that. Yes, the US should have been better prepared but we were not at war, yet. The declaration of war came what 2 or 3 hours AFTER the bombs fell?
As for losses, yeah, they sucked and sucked big time. But as being "one of the worst defeats" in naval records, not really
Really big defeats: IJN losing at
Midway
Guadalcanal
Marianas Turkey Shoot
Leyte Gulf
and many more
sol3a1 3 months ago
@sol3a1 Oh yes, only the USN victories were the biggest ones, the IJN were all crap? How subjective are you! The Pearl Harbor was the GREATEST naval defeat of any fleet, and the declaration didn't come 3hours after the attack, it came 1h BEFORE the attack. The Japanese aren't insidious as the Americans. And about your ''great'' victories - they were achieved by sending 1000 planes to 2 ships, really how great they are. Lame.
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja: "Oh yes, only the USN victories were the biggest ones" not at all but you seem to forget that the USN won anything at all
Still those battles I mentioned were greater defeats on the IJN than Pearl Harbor. Of the 8 USN BBs sunk, only 2 remained that way and rejoined the war with a few of them taking out their anger on contemporary IJN BBs
IJN victory over the Russians was great too
Pearl Harbor's a fight like saying a thief in the knife who cuts a sleeping person's throat is brave
sol3a1 3 months ago
@sol3a1 Stupid coment "sneak attacks can do that. Yes, the US should have been better prepared but we were not at war, yet"
It's called tactics, sneaking, conceal, lying, and deceive.
All countrys do it, Japan did it wery well in Pearl Harbour, they fuck you up, no doubt about it.
If America could and got tha chanse, they do it too.
MrCastodian 2 months ago
@MrCastodian: "If America could and got tha chanse, they do it too" of course we did "Midway anyone?" but I can't recall a single time the US did that before we were in a shooting war
sol3a1 2 months ago
@sol3a1 Please Sol, shut the fuck up. The man is speaking the truth and he's totally right - admit once in life, would you?
m4mihulja 2 months ago
@m4mihulja: Where did I say the US wouldn't use such a tactic? But what I also stated was the US didn't do that save in a shooting war
As for not admitting they're wrong, I wouldn't want to steal your SOP
sol3a1 2 months ago
@sol3a1
US attacks against Libya in 1986! Dont think Reagan picked up the phone and called Gaddafi, "Hey Mohammar! now we are bombing you in 3 houers..."
Do not think they told Khomeini that American soldiers would free the hostages in Tehran.
Is nothing to talk about, everyone does it if they can, is not cowardly, is tactics.
MrCastodian 2 months ago
@MrCastodian: "US attacks against Libya in 1986!" while I could quibble about it, I'll concede your point . If I remember almost 50 F-111 took part in that raid
"Is nothing to talk about, everyone does it if they can, is not cowardly, is tactics" true.
sol3a1 2 months ago
@MrCastodian: So yes, "sneak attacks can do that"
sol3a1 2 months ago
@sol3a1 Hehe, You cant be an American, they never agree :)
There are many who think it is cowardly, personally, I think that war o conflicts you have to be win in the best possible way. For ex Hiroshima and Nagasaki probebly saved US 3-500 000 soldiers in WW2. Bombers, Stelth, Tomahawks, guerrillas, and also terorism is ways to win the war on the cheap and efektiv way!
But can understand that people might take offense, especially with terrorism as a weapon of war.
MrCastodian 2 months ago
@MrCastodian "Hehe, You cant be an American, they never agree :)" hey, you got me. In truth I was thinking "sneak attack before going to a full on shooting war" but you are right
Any attack that is done under covert operations is a sneak attack, my bad
sol3a1 2 months ago
@sol3a1 That you can listen to others' opinions and thoughts and take on the parts that are good shows the greatness of a man.
Then we shall fight about the parts you do not agree with :)
MrCastodian 2 months ago
@MrCastodian "Then we shall fight about the parts you do not agree with :)" Great! Now what shall we disagree and fight about? I am an American so I really do need to show I'm "right"!
;-D
sol3a1 2 months ago
@sol3a1 I have a intresting question.
Controversial for an American perhaps, but is terrorism a leget weapons to use in the war on a millitery superior enemy.
Is it right for example Hamas of us terrorism to be free from Isreal?
MrCastodian 2 months ago
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@MrCastodian: I don't know if the question should be stated, "Is it right for example Hamas of us terrorism to be free from Isreal?" but instead:
"Is it right for any group to oppose oppression, tyranny, etc" The resounding answer is, "HELL YES"
To the more specific "Hamas/Palestinians vs Israel", hell, I really don't know. IMO, they're both wrong and both driven by religious hatred. I hope they'll settle it out, the Palestinians and Jews forming a secular state but I won't hold my breath
sol3a1 2 months ago
@MrCastodian: Answers depends on what's being fought for and what they do if they win. Will they setup a secular and democratic government? Do they want a religious theocracy? Is a charismatic demagogue with a cult like following who wants to get things they way THEY want so they convince others that some group is taking away their freedoms?
What matters is why and what they'll do
Zionists want to bring about their messiah
Hamas it seems wants Sharia law
I'm an atheist so they're both wrong
sol3a1 2 months ago
@sol3a1 But have we the right to judge their purposes if it is about their country?
They fight a country that occupies them, then if they want Sharia is their choice, as long as they do not force the Sharia on the population., And Hamas is elected democratically.
I believe that the U.S. is ridiculously religious, that does not gives me the right to judge the U.S. as a country and put me to judge over your religion and those who are religious?
MrCastodian 2 months ago
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@MrCastodian: Well, I am an atheist and I've "come out of the atheist closet" in that regards to my family, friends and even at work in the US South so I know how much the US is stupidly religious
"But have we the right to judge their purposes if it is about their country?" That my friend is the $64,000 question. Getting out of "what can or should an outsider do?" we still have to ask, who in the country gets to decide what "their country can do"? Religious leaders who rule by fear? The rich?
sol3a1 2 months ago
@MrCastodian: It is the same as saying, "who can intervene in another family's internal affairs?" Is it right to let the dad beat his wife and kids because it is HIS house? Do we take the kids away for abusing their parents because the parents feel that "their children need to express themselves"?
When does anyone's rights become a liability to the whole?
One thing I know is never talked about when it comes to a person's rights are what their responsibilities are to the group
sol3a1 2 months ago
@sol3a1 Yes, you have a good point, of course should we care when we see a problem, is a difficult question this.
But who sets the rules, who decides what is right or wrong?
Shall it be the force of arms as it is today?
Should there be a democratic wote which determines what is right or wrong, like the UN, or should we not put our nose in others buissnis when we have our hands full of blood??
MrCastodian 2 months ago
@MrCastodian "But who sets the rules, who decides what is right or wrong?" just a variation on the "Golden Rule"
One should always ask themselves if they would like what they do to others done to them. Also, what the whims and wants of some deity wants should never be considered
"Shall it be the force of arms as it is today?" until despots, tyrants, religious fanatics, oligarchs and other oppressors begin to be able to be swayed by logic and reason, can you see another way?
sol3a1 2 months ago
@MrCastodian: Of course it is never that easy to make a singular pronouncement and say, "This is how it should always be, end of discussion"
Personally, if I learn my neighbor is beating his wife and kids, I'll find a way to kick his ass, even in his own home the coward
But at the same time, if my neighbor decides to wear a dress and his 150kg wife spandex tights, I might puke but that is none of my business
So where does that leave us with Hamas vs Israel? I think they're both wrong
sol3a1 2 months ago
@sol3a1 Yes, they are both wrong in my opinion.
but both are at the same time democratically elected.
One is backed by the United States, the other uses his only weapon, terror.
What is right o what is wrong, as I said not so simple question.
MrCastodian 2 months ago
@MrCastodian "but both are at the same time democratically elected" are they really? It is my understanding that Israel has issues with many of its Arab, et al, population and who was allowed to vote for or against Hamas? Could women vote?
"One is backed by the United States, the other uses his only weapon, terror" which sucks, both of them. Time to let them solve it themselves
I hope I'm not ruining the idea that all Americans are knee jerk retards for you ;)
sol3a1 2 months ago
@sol3a1 They are demokrtisk elected Hamas, with observers from the EU and UN, election have been proper according to all parties, including the U.S., George Bush said.
- Reminds me of the power of democracy
- When people get the chance to choose, they will show you what they think, it's the beauty of democracy. The election results are a sign that the Palestinians were not satisfied with the situation.
I will find a discussion where you become the stereotype of an knee jerk retard American:)
MrCastodian 2 months ago
@MrCastodian "I will find a discussion where you become the stereotype of an knee jerk retard American:)" may that never come to pass
;-D
Later friend
sol3a1 2 months ago
@MrCastodian: OBTW, this is why I think democracy is the best type of government: "Democratically Elected governments give the people exactly the government they deserve"
Witness the Tea Party and how they screwed the places up where they were elected
sol3a1 2 months ago
@sol3a1 Hehe, true! Have a good day, until next time..
MrCastodian 2 months ago
@MrCastodian: "They fight a country that occupies them" that is their right to do so
"then if they want Sharia is their choice, as long as they do not force the Sharia on the population" true but one thing about Sharia is that it is all encompassing. Also, I don't find any religious law to be anything a rational person would want to place themselves under. In Sharia Law, the punishment for apostasy is death and if someone doesn't want to live under Sharia law, they can be killed
sol3a1 2 months ago
@fluffy1931 But when comparing USN and IJN air power, there is conclusion: The IJN air force is much more better trained, had much better aircraft of all classes - better fighters, dive, torpedo and heavy bombers, which had been proven from the begin of the war, so until 1944., when the Japanese elite pilots were all dead or missing, and on one Zero came down up to 10 Hellcats.
The USN only had advantage in faster production, but not in combat efficiency.
m4mihulja 3 months ago
@m4mihulja lol,..Midway happened roughly six months after Pearl Harbor Jun 4-7 1942' the IJN lost 4 aircraft carriers & 248 aircraft.
After Midway IJN replacement pilots went through an abbreviated training regimen, meeting the short-term needs of the fleet;in the long run future IJN replacement pilots declined in quality of training. These inexperienced pilots were fed into front-line units. As a result, Japanese naval air groups progressively declined in overall quality during the war.
fluffy1931 3 months ago
@fluffy1931 Same thing that I responded in Top 10 BB's, you're right, from 1944. so until the end of war, the Japanese were sending untrained men to war in a hurry, making mistake, but what else they could do? On one IJN came down 10 or more USN planes. But that doesn't represents them as bad or poorly trained. Through the whole Pacific war they had better planes and ships, and in 1st half of war they had proven their bravery and efficiency.
m4mihulja 3 months ago
Zero #1????
Ridiculous!
They were totally outclassed starting from 1943. Hellcats against zeros kill/loss ratio was 19:1.
ssmusic214 3 months ago
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4 Things. Zero at first place. Understantable.-- Hurricane 3.rd, doesn't seem right.--at 6:45 there is a Quick bomber varification of Me262. Schwalbe, i think.-- And it's Focke-Wulf, not Wolf. But in total a realistic and pretty good and honest video.
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