Okay, so you say "Gun control please?!?" Well if the sane people who obey the laws cannot own firearms, then the criminals and fucked up little bastards like Mr. Me-how-kailan or whatever who like to go and shoot innocent people who cannot protect themselves. Imagine if someone had had a gun besides Jared whatever when he shot Rep. Giffords and all of those people. That person with the gun could have stopped the situation, and the only dead person would be Jared Loughner. Guns are necessary.
The shooter chose the university as the location BECAUSE of the gun control - the victims could not defend and minimize the damage. Gun control stripped everybody in Virginia tech from guns, but one man.
BBC News is a British News broadcast. Their more worried about what's going on in the USA than they are their own country. I'm sure I'll get a reply from one soon watch!!
@myNifty350 HI IM BRITISH we just love the goings on in the usa,kids getting hold of semi automatic weapons your obsessed with guns to protect your freedom,who from?yourselves !its about time you sorted your gunlaws in the uk we can go through life without even handling a gun we have no need for them shotguns yes but 50 cal machine guns nope over the top......
Fuck gun control. If a criminal wants to get a hold of a weapon they will get it. People have a right to protect themselves. Guns are there to protect you from the tyranny of government.
Let the liberal media stop running the clips of the people responsible for these heinous crimes over and over making them celebrities and inspirations to the nut cases of the world and how often would we really have this craziness?
Please dont hurt anyone ok. Even those who you hate are deserving of life and a second chance, you can change the world through love better then through violence
So why is America talking about crime profention and gun safety when I could easly buy a ak-47 at a weapon store? IM CONFUZED! Also gun collecters can stop the bitchen and just go into the milita. Hey why don't we just hand these weapons of war for self defence cuz clearly a 19 year old need two pistols and kelvar? Honesly the logic is truly moronic. Corrupt goverment FTW!
@jamesanton1231 How is that surrendering my rights as a matter of fact am I not entitled to free of speech? For making a suggestion to make your country a more less crime ridden place and you try to shut me down? But lemme play, in your case why don't we just legalize cocaine and if you dissagree then get out of our free country you piece of shit.
@PheonixTeam Very good, you detected a fundamental flaw in my logic. Unfortunately, people such as this VA Tech student are statistical outliers and are extremely hard to detect. When some crazy person wants to kill innocent people, there really isn't much to do to stop them. Bottom line. Just no way to tell. It is a horrible thing, but let us not forget that we use guns to secure our freedom every single night and day.
@jamesanton1231 So to protect yourself you need a gun that can go through a tank? Canadians have it pat down but im sure you'll still think a minigun keeps thoughs punks away from your lawn. Hunting shotguns and rifles are the only things that should be legal. We don't know who is crazy or not so why give them weapons like that?
@PhoenixTeam You have some very good points, and I sincerely respect your opinions. However, I found a great reading which does justice in explaining many of the things that I feel. Just go to google.com and type in "revolutionary war 2nd amendment"....then click the first link.
What about the rights of the rest of the American public. We deserve some level of protection from creeps like this. Take the GD guns away from those that don't deserve to be protected by the constitution of this great country!
As an American, I believe the only valid reason against gun control is the need to defend ourselves against potential oppression from our own government. Other then that, if you feel you need a gun to protect yourself, defend yourself, make yourself feel tough or cool, you're a complete pussy. Hunting animals should be done with a bow and arrow, otherwise, wheres the sport? Same thing applies to the gangbangers on the street. I've said these things to their faces, and they're total losers.
@MrUltimatemonkey If you live in the U.S (not a shit hole state with lots of violence), you can probably look up how many people have concealed weapon permits. Then you can look around and see that most people carry their weapons concealed. People don't go around bragging that they carry a gun.
The founders never talked about "balancing the right of the individual with the safety of the community"
The safest people are free people! You like being treated like kids, not allowed to own a gun, and have video cameras watching you on every street corner, move to Brittian.
@Jamespot24 Such a stupid and ignorant comment. Not "allowed" to own a gun?! Why should you need to own a gun? The only reasons people have guns is either to protect themselves agains those with other guns or they do it to provoke aggression - hardly a land of the free, more like the land of the violent.
6 guys with Machetes come to your house!!! Oh yeah GUNS will stop them. Nice point though, "The only reasons people have guns is either to protect themselves agains those with other guns"
@Jamespot24 Lol, that kinda thing doesn't happen to often here. Maybe because our govenment doesn't give us the right to have weapons designed to kill people. Just a theory? But I've checked out your profile and seent he kinda things you say to people and realise you're just an ignorant god loving idiot. You guys make me laugh so much.
Secondly: I was giving you an example of how guns save lives, there are countless shopkeepers and normal citizens who wouldn't be here today if they were unarmed.
Thirdly: Guns kill people exponentially less than cars, alcohol, and tobacco. Why isn't there an outcry to ban those things?
Hopefully you can enlighten my ignorant mind with some good answers to those 3 questions.
@Jamespot24 I certainly can. Cars and alcohol aren't made with the sole purpose of killing other beings unlike guns. Tobacco whilst it does bring pleasure to some people obviously is a big killer (and to a large extent so is alcohol) and I agree it should be outlawed but our govenements make too much from the tax to do such a thing.
Guns may save lives, but how many lives wouldnt need to be saved if they never existed in the first place?
@shortie212 If you never had a beer or cigarette congrats. And if you think alcohol and tobacco are harmful to society and people ought not do them thats a valid opinion, however I doubt you really believe governments could effectively ban them
Most people don't use guns for the sole purpose of killing people, I know I dont. Guns are great for recreation, I shot a full auto mp5 at the gun range and its a load of fun. Never threatened anyone with a firearm in my life...
@Jamespot24 James if you actually read what I said, I think it SHOULD be outlawed but they wont do it because of the tax they make so I dont believe governments would do it, no.
As for the other thing, I have the odd drink and unfortunately I do smoke and only wish that the govenment banned it before I started and I'm looking to stop in the new year.
Guns in a firing range is fine and secure, but if there was none outside of that then the world would be a lot safer dont you agree?
@shortie212 Secondly probably less lives would exist look at the genocides in Africa that take place with a bunch of men with machetes. Firearms are a POWER EQUALIZER, meaning that weaker people (small woman) who might become victims can defend themselves against say 2 big men.
Furthermore criminals will always get guns, its already illegal for people with criminal records in ANY COUNTRY to own a firearm, yet it happens anyway. Why? Cause they are criminals
@Jamespot24 Yes there will always be criminals and they will always do bad things. Africa is a different point because they do not have the same societies as we do in the west, but as for America? Definately would be better off if there was no guns there. Criminals may get hold of them, but they would be less readily available. GUn crime in the UK still exists, but on a far smaller scale than in America.
It's my opinion but you must see my side of the argument?
@shortie212 I can see why your wish it was banned. As lots of smokers, alcoholic and drug addict would prefer if their addictive substance just didn't exist. If it wasn't there you can't use it right.
And I'd buy a full auto gun if it weren't so damn expensive lol.
Anyways I see why you would belive that as the UK is on an island. America however shares a 2000 mile border with Mexico.
@Jamespot24 Maybe a valid point, never really thought about Mexico being a factor so maybe I can't comment. But surely you should pin that on your govenment to tighten up border patrols etc? Again I dont really know so I cant fully comment.
But the point about criminals obtainign guns elsewhere. IT would be harder to obtain them if NOBODY had such easy access to guns.
Finally, alcohol is ok, many peoplecontrol their intake but smoking is horrible and the sooner I quit the better.
@shortie212 Well the only thing that would stop it is if they built a proper East German style double wall. The 100 yard gap being filled with with guard towers, land mines, dogs, and other dangerous things. But that will never happen.
Even an Isreal style wall would be better than wide open desert, with border patrol.
Idk personally I've never been able to get addicted to smoking. Im the rare "social smoker" maybe id have 3-4 cigs a week, sometimes go months without it.
@Jamespot24 I started as a social smoker at University but got into it too easily and whilst im not a really heavy smoker I do have around 10 a day so not exactly healthy.
@shortie212 Well as much as I hate to admit it its probably the nanny state taxation that keeps you from smoking a ton. If cartons of cigs (10 packs) were say 16.65 pounds (yeah I did the conversion) you'd probably smoke a ton right?
I know drinking however isnt detered by cost cause if ur gonna get drunk ur gonna get drunk.
But yeah very hard to stop suicidal/homicidal nutjobs with no criminal record from acting out.
@Jamespot24 Actually I dont think the price really affects how much I smoke. Every cigarette I have I thinkj about how bad it is and how I want to stop and that's why I only smoke the amount I do at the moment but as its an addiction I cant jus stop straight away. But heres hoping I can in the new year
@shortie212 New years resolutions are dumb, no offense. When I realized i was gaining too much weight a few years ago it just gotta be an instant decision to change. I watched my diet and upped my cardio and I was down almost 20lbs in 4 months, you just gotta have that rock bottom moment, where ur like "shit I gotta get motivated"
@shortie212 Its cases like Virginia Tech, which is why im going to get a concealed carry permit within the next year. Cause even though you might think that the collective is harmed by guns, my Individual safety is what I care about.
Anyways just trying to put forth a different point of view, have a good day
@shortie212 Regardless of that far right retoric, its not about No Body having guns its about having a good united society. Look at Switzerland for example, they have a higher % of households with a firearm than the USA, and less crime than Japan.
When you have kids being raised by rappers who glorify gang violence, thats the worst. Its less of a gun problem Per Se and more of a demographic problem in my mind. The more divided people are the more prone they are to violence.
@shortie212 You also might not understand that criminals here do not, go down to the local gun shop to purchase guns. That would require a background check and the owner writing down who they sold that gun too.
They get their guns like anyone in the UK would, through criminal contacts. So banning gun shops wouldn't affect them at all.
In terms of plain nut jobs, someone suicidal/homicidal, they are willing to die anyways, doesn't matter if they break the law. (Belgium shooting)
@shortie212 Lol just like a nanny state Libtard to not defend their positions. Especially when they are exposed to points of view not portrayed in the media.
@GhostOfEdGein666 Did you say the same thing about Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold or did you get a tissue and cry for them. Realize the only reason why you saying things like this is because it was done by a non-white that's all.
hes a fucking looser, If i were there, i should have shoothis head & rip his head off...thats y i always bring a gun to school nowadays, in case someone will do the same thing
I would recommend reading the text of SB1070 before condemning it. (and the Wikipedia version doesn't count since anyone with an account there can change it to say it also mandates the eating of live kittens and bunnies.) And rest assured, if the IRA rearms, you'd better believe that such restrictions would be reintroduced into the UK.... yes I remember when they were in place there, and the fact that they're still in place... just unenforced..... for now.
so because this psycho kills people i get punished? lol you're funny. even if gun legislation passed id keep my guns. id defend my 2nd amendment right and kill anyone who tried to disarm me BECAUSE it is mine and everyone elses birth right to self defense.
Consider the source please. The UK has strict control over it's media and of course what it can say. Present anything that is not approved by the government and of course the home office, and they stand a real chance of having their license reviewed or even revoked. This is why an unrestricted internet is important. It must remain the people's media.
@crispycritterz the UK has no control over it's media (aside from OFCOM which is just the UK version of the FCC and designed to keep out racism, swearing before watershed ect) their are no licensing for media. The media reports on anything they want and the government does nothing. I don't know what it is with Americans...it's like you think we live in Soviet Russia. We're just as free if not more free than America. American isn't the only democracy in the world you know?
@98raza20 Some of the so called democracies are less democratic than others. Parliamentary versions of "democracies" for example. You may not hear about the home office nicking people for having cameras that are too professional or arresting people because they don't look respectable enough. Here such activity isn't tolerated, in the UK, it's so ingrained that it isn't even seen as a human rights violation.You're right America isn't the only democracy since none exists on earth.
@crispycritterz The home office can't arrest anyone, the police can but they can't just go round arresting who they want without probable cause otherwise it is an unlawful arrest and they can get in serious trouble. A parliamentary is more democratic than a republic. The UK and Europe in general take Human Rights alot more seriously than America, you'd never get the SB 1070 laws in Britain. It ain't British police who want to go round harassing "suspected illegals" (any brown people).
We need to demand REAL investigations into every mass shooting. When it's discovered that nearly every shooter was a victim of MK Ultra (CIA/Military mind control program), the debate will no longer be over gun control. It will be about ending these black ops which are all about bringing in tyranny.
Fuck the BBC and their opinions of what other countries should do with their laws, their Parliament obviously didn't get it right with their gun & knife bans because their gun death rate as DOUBLED in 10 years, and their crime rates are HIGHER than the USA's in many aspects.
And as far as the VT shooter goes, not only did the background check FAIL, but Cho also committed a Felony by lying on the purchase form about his mental past.
You dork look at the Appalachian school of law shooting. The students had guns to defend themselves and look at how many were shot vs VA tech. Positive proof that more guns means more protection from crime.
ROFL you want gun control ! Ok lets look at these useless laws real quick. To my knowledge it is illegal to have guns on any school campus...right ? Well if it is illegal....and this dude took a gun to school and killed people...then that means.....wait.....that means gun control doesn't work. See it was illegal....but he done it anyway. Doesn't that render the law useless ? Do you see how your pussy ass law isn't going to work ? Criminals will "ALWAYS" have guns. Always !!!
So some kid goes and shoot up a university, thats the gun's fault is it? You are seriously stupid to title a video like that. Gun control would make no difference. Criminals will always have guns, no matter what laws are in place. You take away the guns and you take away the right for law abiding-citizens to protect themselves. Gun control will only get innocent people killed because they will be defenceless against criminals...
Not to mention, the feds would love to take our guns, because it would surely give them more comfort in shitting on their oaths, like they've already done, very recently, openly lying to the American public stating cannabis has no accepted medical use and their national drug campaign purposefully misinforming the country about the truth about marijuana(I don't do that stuff, but I believe in its legalization, mostly because the opposition to it is one huge pharmaceutically sponsored lie).
Gun Control is for politically retarded pussies, anyone knows that USA gun control would mean a plentiful black market of weapons in the hundreds of thousands against defenseless law abiders, all because a few dozen idiots think just because the shithole they live in is filled with gangs, who are mostly using illegal weapons in the first place.
thats what you get when you let foreigners into the country. Thumbs up if you want me to start a new government, get the drifters out of the country and a standard issue machine gun hamper for every law abiding citizen.
Another thing is that many people who believe in the second amendment believe in having some qualifiers in place. CCW courses and such. If we have our way we won't be recklessly handing out guns like free candy, you still have to meet requirements as a person.
I am a peace lover. If I could press a button and delete all guns from the planet and ensure that guns were never created again, I would press it, it would make things simpler.
However, guns are here and there is no way to magically get rid of them. Guns serve both the good guy and bad guy, they are tools that can be used to murder, yes, but they are also tools that can be used to ensure peace and protect the weak and innocent.
Signed,
A peace loving Green Party member and avid gun owner.
@FFCS2009 ''necessity knows no law.'' Wow & true. That is an important reminder that 'laws' R made by men and are such, inherently subject to being flawed. So there is NO 'law' that is above necessity. In fact, the U.S. Constitution was framed with this reality in mind. ''We hold these truths to be self evident'' .......''certain unalienable Rights''
Here is a common sense fact on the issue of self defense. In order for a person to defend themself against attackers, they must have and use as much force or more force than the attackers. For example, if U R attacked by 2 persons, then U need a gun to stop their attack immediately. If one person has balls to attack U, they may be armed; what do U have? Arizona law makers have done it right. Anyone who thinks to be ''DEFENSELESS'' is the way to go is brainwashed.
@jhvenus2004 what if 1 person is attacking you but you cannot fight and are VERY weak like me? If someone came up to me trying to hurt me with even their hands id HAVE to shoot them or they would kill me
@greatestsongsofLIFE I hear U. For many ppl, frailty is a reality they live with. Sadly, the same frail ppl who are preyed upon by preditors are also victimized by the legal system. I've heard law enforcement officers say that Laws and police are not for the protection of the ''individual''- and this unfortunately is true. Police and laws exist to maintain a more broad, general, 'image' of order, but the individual is always vulnerable to being maimed or killed at the whim of an attacker.
@jhvenus2004 i really dont care WHAT law says i cant protect myself with a gun. If killing a person trying to break into my house meant i got the DEATH penalty then so be it. Its better than my family being killed
To be fair, I'll admit gun control stops legal guns from being illegally resold and reduces crimes of passion involving legal guns, however, pre-mediated crimes will and do happen under gun control and career criminals will continue to have guns, so on a societal scale its effect is minimal.
@toddmastria1 Why is that a "sad statement"? I suppose it was also a "sad statement" that Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising managed to acquire rifles and fight off Nazi soldiers for nearly 1 month in the Warsaw ghetto to prevent themselves from being hauled off to the concentration camps and gassed?
It is indeed a tragedy of what happened at Virginia tech, but the fact remains that all college campuses that are gun free zones, really are just "Free Fire zones" This deranged kid knew that he would get no opposition or threat from anyone except the police, so by the time he was done, he had already done the damage. Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Gun control please? Youre fucking kidding right. If a student or faculty member had a legally owned gun during that shit, "cho" would have been shot dead.
don't u know? a student w/a gun did stop him, problem is that the student had to go to his car first to get the gun. When he did though he cought cho reloading and stopped him.
me i get 5 years just for having a gun so i'm as good as dead if someone decides. and don't think it's because i broke the law, read up on how polititions and prosicutors frame the evidence to make people plead gulty or get worse sentances if they try to defend themselves in court.
@sicfukc : And potentially countless numbers of people who were in the way could have also been shot dead as people were trying to kill Cho. Or more people would die from senseless acts of violence because every argument would escalate into a shootout. That is such a weak argument. It doesn't even make sense.
@djamo1969 Go do some research before you continue making yourself look like a fool.. Guns are 60 times more likely to SAVE a life than to take one!! That INCLUDES "accidental shootings" and "suicides," etc.. How often are there accidental shootings or robberies, etc.. At places like police stations, gun stores, shooting ranges, etc.. It is places where you anti-gun people are. You are easy pickings.. Hence the reason criminals choose your types..
@YamahaWR200:I have done my research.I have a M.A. in Sociology and I have never seen any of the research of which you speak.Deviance or criminology were not my specialties, but I have read enough on the subjects to know I have never heard those statistics before.You insult me and say, "Do your research," but you did not offer any of your own; just a bunch of made up anecdotes.How is that research? It sounds like you are just pulling that statistic out of your ass.
@djamo1969 I did offer information. I do not care whether you have a degree or not. It sounds like i am pulling numbers out of my ass because you have not done your research.. And how is it "insulting" when I tell you to do your research? You have not done it and that is a FACT.. Go look around and read. You will find the information I told you.. And you never addressed my question about how often there are shootings at police stations, gun stores, shooting ranges, etc..
@djamo1969 You are one of those people that thinks that everyone that has guns will pull one out at the drop of a hat because they are cut off on the freeway, etc.. You think it will be like Dodge City. It is honestly sad. Police carry guns, along with everyone with CCW's and open carriers. And they don't go and shoot everyone up even though they are just regular people like anyone else.. Look up APPALACHIAN SCHOOL OF LAW SHOOTING.. Discussion over...
@Metal4TheHungry What U say is truth stated as simply as can be stated. Sad reality is this...... carefully examine a leader who wants to disarm his citizens and U'll find a leader, Mayor, congressperson who thinks very little of the local citizens- and consequentially, will batter them and kill them in the streets. e.g. Chicago's Mayor Daley Sr. and his punk son- soon to be ex-Mayor Daley. For 30 years now, they've violated the Constitutional Rights of Chicagoans by banning handguns there
@Metal4TheHungry I live in new jersey: and yes we have the strictest gun control laws in the country and the funny thing about this is that most of the people who can get one legally can't get one since the government has made it so hard to obtain them legally, I myself am barred from LEGALLY obtaining them and yet I have a couple...As you can see gun laws really help out...in MY case help ME out when I need some quick money...
@nero314100 I believe the real quote here should be... "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security." ~ Benjamin Franklin.
this is what all you little gun control supporters don't realize.
gun control =/= crime control
back in the 19 and 20th century, in the uk, any adult could own ANY modern firearm, but violet gun grimes were so rare, that the police force of the time very rarely had firearms, and merely had a billyclub.
if you want gun control, i'll tell you exactly how you can get it, solve world peace, return our economy back to positive, where every willin american is able to get employed, boost teh police force to where if i call 9-1-1 a police officer knock on my door within a minute,
oh and ban every other item used to kill/main people in the past, fire axes, firework, kitchen knifes, steak knifes, baseball bats, pocketknife, large stones crowbars, small stones and slings, bows and crossbows, all the components use to make explosives, so ban gasoline and Styrofoam, metal pipes adn end caps used to make pipbombs,
@CopperLeagueGaming Oh did you hear, the UK is trying to ban pocket knives, kitchen knives & even some sharp pencils. They've gotten horribly out of control, since the gun ban they've had a surge of knife violence there, by mostly criminals & gang bangers. Yes a government out of control will do just that, heck they don't even have large vehicles in the UK, only cars the size of mini's.
Gun control is a joke, and I will explain why. If you have heard of the Black Market, then you know that guns will continue to be sold to people, whether or not gun control laws exist. So, if the gun gets into the hands of a psychologically unhealthy individual, then there would be some problems.
But what about pocketknives being used in murders? Are we going to instigate some sort of ban of pocketknives?
What about self-defense. Gun control only prevents citizens from protecting themselves.
This shooting occured in an area that did have gun control. Virginia Tech was lauded for becoming a gun free zone about 8 months before the shooting. It was a gun free zone, and that didn't stop the shooter from bringing a gun into that gun free zone, and murdering people.
This is not an example to be used in support of gun control. Gun control was applied, and it failed...miserably.
Gun control? Don't be a commie idiot. Maybe if 15 of the 30 some people he killed had guns, this death toll wouldn't be NEARLY as high. Next time, whipe your vagine before posting bullshit like this. The evil and the crazy will ALLWAYS have weapons, but the good people allways outweight the evil... these dumb asses just need to learn how to buy a gun and learn how to use it. If somone kills you, its YOUR fault, not the police, not security, not your mama's. its YOUR fault. Train you sheep.
I bet the shooter, Seung Hoi Cho, was very happy with the gun control laws in effect.
They made it so much easier for him to go on his rampage. He was able to kill so many people because the gun control laws prevented his victims from being armed, so they weren't going to stop him.
How did he die? By a gun when he shot himself. If the students or staff had been armed he'd have been killed long before he claimed 33 victims
@Humberto4790 Thank god for someone with a brain. That is so good, to find someone that knows what the hell is going on. Arm the kids, im high school, in college, arm all the teachers in middle school. Very simple solution. Just like the kids in Israel. There isn't any school shootings there.
@skaterock7734 Well make the teens take gun saftey classes.Because,they should always treat a gun like it's loaded and shouldnt play around with it.And never keep a gun loaded in your pocket,because it could go of and blow your balls off.
@Humberto4790 That is reasonable. I never would have thought of that though lol. I like my freedom. Down with the public schools. Anything government run. welfare, department of education, department of agriculture, ect ect. Everything should be privatized.
Really? They cant get guns in England, or Japan, or any other country with strict gun laws. But any old nutball like Cho here can get a gun thanks to the gun lobby. You can find one literally anywhere. that is why america will never reduce crime. you reap what you sow america
@kakashi76767 That's not true, Mexico has tough gun laws, and there have been 28000 gun murders due to the war on drugs in the last couple of years. America's crime rates have other causes and are not related to private and legal gun ownership
@vatoencabronado first of all, mexican gun laws are laughable. in fact, they are very similar to american gun laws. second, i agree that american crime rates in general have many causes, one of them being the war on drugs. however, in terms of violent crime, guns are almost always involved. no one has ever proposed that ALL guns be taken away. however, when a lawmaker suggests regulating gun shows, for example, and the gun lobby is dead set against it, people die as a result.
@kakashi76767 the columbine kids got their guns via a gun show. when people confuse having the right to have one or two guns with the right to have a fucking armory capable of winning a war, its a problem. some american lawmaker recently proposed having a one gun a month purchase limit, and the gun lobby objected. that is how fucked up americans are. they think that "only" being able to buy 12 guns a year is a violation of their rights somehow. all of these extra guns end up on the street
@kakashi76767 Having lived in an international metropolis that straddles the Mexican border, I can tell you that Mexican gun laws are very strict. They are no joke. What kills people is creating zones where people like this guy know there will be no resistance, and they can murder at will. There have been multiple cases of citizens stopping people on murderous rampages with private firearms, but you don't get as much play on the TV with that.
@vatoencabronado bullshit. besides, ill take my chances with people like cho here anyday if the alternative is having to take my kid to the store and wait in a line with 10 armed people, none of whom i know or trust. you dont think that your fellow gun lovers wont pull their guns out over misunderstandings and arguments? if you really think that, then you are living in a upotian dreamworld.
@kakashi76767 Bullshit??? What's bullshit? Care to back that up with any facts? Oh you don't have any... ok, call it whatever you want, but El Paso, where I lived for 30 yrs is one of the safest cities in the country, and everyone carries guns. Juarez, which is separated from El Paso by a river is one of the most dangerous cities in the world, and you can't carry there. The war on drugs is to blame, not gun ownership or carrying.
@vatoencabronado El Paso is far wealthier than Juarez. Poverty breeds crime, including violent crime. also, when i looked up el paso on wikipedia right now, i didnt see anything interesting about its crime statistics. No "one of the safest cities in the country award or anything like that. pretty sure you are just bullshitting there. if open carrying laws makes things safer, then why are cops always against it? are you saying that cops are not experts on the matter?
@kakashi76767 We don't have open carry in El Paso, and people carried concealed before it was legal. There isn't an award on Wikipedia, but if you look up something relevant, like violent crime rates per city you'll see that El Paso is one of the safest cities in the country. Cops are against open carry, but not always concealed carry, I know plenty of cops that are for it. Cops are not experts in my opinion, no, even when they agree with me.
@kakashi76767 As far as El Paso being far wealthier, that depends on how you look at it. The drug trade has brought in plenty of money to the whole area. El Paso has very little industry, the biggest employers there are the school districts. Average income and education rates are some of the lowest in the country, so there goes your theory of it just being about income. All the best restaurants and clubs were in Juarez before things got completely out of hand there.
Finishing up my comment Here’s the kicker. She heard this man break into her house and heard him coming down the hall. Paralyzed with fear, she crawled under her bed and waited for the inevitable to happen. The intruder of course found her as described in my previous post. Now the sad thing is she did not own a gun. All this chaos could have been prevented if she was armed. In response to kakashi76767 a gun may not have been magic, but it would have at least given her a fighting chance.
Well here are some facts for all you gun haters. Criminals will and do posses firearms, so us law abiders should too. Here’s another fact. My best friend’s sister was rapped a year ago. A man came into her home late at night, tied her up, and rapped her repeatedly. Once he finished that, he took a broom stick and rapped her anally, causing internal damage. Her life was spared, but her emotional stability is dead. (Comment Continued)
@TheStanglx guns are not magic force fields. believe it or not, you can still be shot even if you have a gun!! for example, someone suprises you and bang, your dead, even before you get a chance to take your gun out.
One good man with a gun that day could have dropped this jerk. But, it was a gun free zone. Shame he did not think much of that, most criminals don't.
Please anti gunners, I plead with you. Do your homework properly. Gun control fails time and time again. Where has it been successful anywhere in the world? Show me one place, I will prove you wrong. It facilitates murders like these rather that prevent them. Cath a mass wakeup before the next mass shooting.
Why are there never accidental or intentional shootings at gun shows...?
@CQSlim ur so right take england for example we've had 1 random massacre and 1 person who shot 1 person dead and injured his ex and went on to shoot a pig officer in the face and blind him for life. The problem is that police think that they're ready if a shooting ever happens. They're not.
I personaly think that members of the public should carry legal guns because then they could help fight the illegal gun crime.
Okay, so you say "Gun control please?!?" Well if the sane people who obey the laws cannot own firearms, then the criminals and fucked up little bastards like Mr. Me-how-kailan or whatever who like to go and shoot innocent people who cannot protect themselves. Imagine if someone had had a gun besides Jared whatever when he shot Rep. Giffords and all of those people. That person with the gun could have stopped the situation, and the only dead person would be Jared Loughner. Guns are necessary.
military370 2 days ago
"What a life it was. Some life.".
How sick of life must he be to say that after living for just 23 years?
KoreaRwkz 1 week ago
The shooter chose the university as the location BECAUSE of the gun control - the victims could not defend and minimize the damage. Gun control stripped everybody in Virginia tech from guns, but one man.
startxxx1991 2 weeks ago
well said.
jamesanton1231 1 week ago
BBC News is a British News broadcast. Their more worried about what's going on in the USA than they are their own country. I'm sure I'll get a reply from one soon watch!!
myNifty350 3 weeks ago
@myNifty350 HI IM BRITISH we just love the goings on in the usa,kids getting hold of semi automatic weapons your obsessed with guns to protect your freedom,who from?yourselves !its about time you sorted your gunlaws in the uk we can go through life without even handling a gun we have no need for them shotguns yes but 50 cal machine guns nope over the top......
salian66 2 weeks ago
i bet hes north korean...
ThleTruth 3 weeks ago
maybe if other people didnt mess with him and treat him so bad he wouldnt have done that shit...he was probably harrassed a lot and bullied
James25H 4 weeks ago
fuck!!, all this guy needed was a lil campus pot & pussy... SERIOUSLY
ridemytube247 4 weeks ago
@ridemytube247 i agree that would have made him feel better
James25H 4 weeks ago
He was born in Japan.
llIWhrqkfl 1 month ago
not only gun-control but also Korean-control please for the peace of the world
auk002wine 1 month ago
@auk002wine no a america-control
SniperSurkov 1 month ago
@auk002wine Yeah. 'Cus Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were Korean right?
KoreaRwkz 1 week ago
Fuck gun control. If a criminal wants to get a hold of a weapon they will get it. People have a right to protect themselves. Guns are there to protect you from the tyranny of government.
suspendmeassholes 1 month ago
Let the liberal media stop running the clips of the people responsible for these heinous crimes over and over making them celebrities and inspirations to the nut cases of the world and how often would we really have this craziness?
agstarnes1111 1 month ago
what model glock was that? i wanna say 23 but i dont know that much about glocks. ps what cal?
vinillanut 1 month ago
@MrUltimatemonkey I'll see?
Please dont hurt anyone ok. Even those who you hate are deserving of life and a second chance, you can change the world through love better then through violence
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@MrUltimatemonkey
are you insane?
you arent even making real sentences
Jamespot24 2 months ago
So why is America talking about crime profention and gun safety when I could easly buy a ak-47 at a weapon store? IM CONFUZED! Also gun collecters can stop the bitchen and just go into the milita. Hey why don't we just hand these weapons of war for self defence cuz clearly a 19 year old need two pistols and kelvar? Honesly the logic is truly moronic. Corrupt goverment FTW!
PheonixTeam 2 months ago
You are entitled to your wrong opinion PheonixTeam.
jamesanton1231 1 week ago
@jamesanton1231 Never knew opinions could be wrong.
PheonixTeam 1 week ago
If my opinion was that 2 + 2 = 5 then wouldn't my opinion be wrong?
jamesanton1231 6 days ago
@jamesanton1231 Thats not a opinion thats a math, Theres only one answer. Moron.
PheonixTeam 3 days ago
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jamesanton1231 2 days ago
@jamesanton1231 How is that surrendering my rights as a matter of fact am I not entitled to free of speech? For making a suggestion to make your country a more less crime ridden place and you try to shut me down? But lemme play, in your case why don't we just legalize cocaine and if you dissagree then get out of our free country you piece of shit.
PheonixTeam 2 days ago
@PheonixTeam Very good, you detected a fundamental flaw in my logic. Unfortunately, people such as this VA Tech student are statistical outliers and are extremely hard to detect. When some crazy person wants to kill innocent people, there really isn't much to do to stop them. Bottom line. Just no way to tell. It is a horrible thing, but let us not forget that we use guns to secure our freedom every single night and day.
jamesanton1231 2 days ago
@jamesanton1231 So to protect yourself you need a gun that can go through a tank? Canadians have it pat down but im sure you'll still think a minigun keeps thoughs punks away from your lawn. Hunting shotguns and rifles are the only things that should be legal. We don't know who is crazy or not so why give them weapons like that?
PheonixTeam 1 day ago
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@PhoenixTeam You have some very good points, and I sincerely respect your opinions. However, I found a great reading which does justice in explaining many of the things that I feel. Just go to google.com and type in "revolutionary war 2nd amendment"....then click the first link.
jamesanton1231 10 hours ago
What about the rights of the rest of the American public. We deserve some level of protection from creeps like this. Take the GD guns away from those that don't deserve to be protected by the constitution of this great country!
tjhboobie 2 months ago
why do guys like this think killing random people is the solution to their problem!?!
mmawannab20 2 months ago
As an American, I believe the only valid reason against gun control is the need to defend ourselves against potential oppression from our own government. Other then that, if you feel you need a gun to protect yourself, defend yourself, make yourself feel tough or cool, you're a complete pussy. Hunting animals should be done with a bow and arrow, otherwise, wheres the sport? Same thing applies to the gangbangers on the street. I've said these things to their faces, and they're total losers.
Killstorm9000 2 months ago
@MrUltimatemonkey If you live in the U.S (not a shit hole state with lots of violence), you can probably look up how many people have concealed weapon permits. Then you can look around and see that most people carry their weapons concealed. People don't go around bragging that they carry a gun.
ArmednSafe 2 months ago
Suck my nuts ya BBC pussy!
Jamespot24 2 months ago
The founders never talked about "balancing the right of the individual with the safety of the community"
The safest people are free people! You like being treated like kids, not allowed to own a gun, and have video cameras watching you on every street corner, move to Brittian.
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@Jamespot24 Such a stupid and ignorant comment. Not "allowed" to own a gun?! Why should you need to own a gun? The only reasons people have guns is either to protect themselves agains those with other guns or they do it to provoke aggression - hardly a land of the free, more like the land of the violent.
shortie212 2 months ago
@shortie212 WHAT ABOUT
WHAT ABOUT
AND YES WHAT ABOUT
6 guys with Machetes come to your house!!! Oh yeah GUNS will stop them. Nice point though, "The only reasons people have guns is either to protect themselves agains those with other guns"
DUHHH
DUUHHH (LIBTARD!!!!)
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@Jamespot24 Lol, that kinda thing doesn't happen to often here. Maybe because our govenment doesn't give us the right to have weapons designed to kill people. Just a theory? But I've checked out your profile and seent he kinda things you say to people and realise you're just an ignorant god loving idiot. You guys make me laugh so much.
shortie212 2 months ago
@shortie212 Firstly: Where is "here"
Secondly: I was giving you an example of how guns save lives, there are countless shopkeepers and normal citizens who wouldn't be here today if they were unarmed.
Thirdly: Guns kill people exponentially less than cars, alcohol, and tobacco. Why isn't there an outcry to ban those things?
Hopefully you can enlighten my ignorant mind with some good answers to those 3 questions.
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@Jamespot24 I certainly can. Cars and alcohol aren't made with the sole purpose of killing other beings unlike guns. Tobacco whilst it does bring pleasure to some people obviously is a big killer (and to a large extent so is alcohol) and I agree it should be outlawed but our govenements make too much from the tax to do such a thing.
Guns may save lives, but how many lives wouldnt need to be saved if they never existed in the first place?
And "here" is the UK.
shortie212 2 months ago
@shortie212 If you never had a beer or cigarette congrats. And if you think alcohol and tobacco are harmful to society and people ought not do them thats a valid opinion, however I doubt you really believe governments could effectively ban them
Most people don't use guns for the sole purpose of killing people, I know I dont. Guns are great for recreation, I shot a full auto mp5 at the gun range and its a load of fun. Never threatened anyone with a firearm in my life...
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@Jamespot24 James if you actually read what I said, I think it SHOULD be outlawed but they wont do it because of the tax they make so I dont believe governments would do it, no.
As for the other thing, I have the odd drink and unfortunately I do smoke and only wish that the govenment banned it before I started and I'm looking to stop in the new year.
Guns in a firing range is fine and secure, but if there was none outside of that then the world would be a lot safer dont you agree?
shortie212 2 months ago
@shortie212 Secondly probably less lives would exist look at the genocides in Africa that take place with a bunch of men with machetes. Firearms are a POWER EQUALIZER, meaning that weaker people (small woman) who might become victims can defend themselves against say 2 big men.
Furthermore criminals will always get guns, its already illegal for people with criminal records in ANY COUNTRY to own a firearm, yet it happens anyway. Why? Cause they are criminals
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@Jamespot24 Yes there will always be criminals and they will always do bad things. Africa is a different point because they do not have the same societies as we do in the west, but as for America? Definately would be better off if there was no guns there. Criminals may get hold of them, but they would be less readily available. GUn crime in the UK still exists, but on a far smaller scale than in America.
It's my opinion but you must see my side of the argument?
shortie212 2 months ago
@shortie212 I can see why your wish it was banned. As lots of smokers, alcoholic and drug addict would prefer if their addictive substance just didn't exist. If it wasn't there you can't use it right.
And I'd buy a full auto gun if it weren't so damn expensive lol.
Anyways I see why you would belive that as the UK is on an island. America however shares a 2000 mile border with Mexico.
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@Jamespot24 Maybe a valid point, never really thought about Mexico being a factor so maybe I can't comment. But surely you should pin that on your govenment to tighten up border patrols etc? Again I dont really know so I cant fully comment.
But the point about criminals obtainign guns elsewhere. IT would be harder to obtain them if NOBODY had such easy access to guns.
Finally, alcohol is ok, many peoplecontrol their intake but smoking is horrible and the sooner I quit the better.
shortie212 2 months ago
@shortie212 Well the only thing that would stop it is if they built a proper East German style double wall. The 100 yard gap being filled with with guard towers, land mines, dogs, and other dangerous things. But that will never happen.
Even an Isreal style wall would be better than wide open desert, with border patrol.
Idk personally I've never been able to get addicted to smoking. Im the rare "social smoker" maybe id have 3-4 cigs a week, sometimes go months without it.
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@Jamespot24 I started as a social smoker at University but got into it too easily and whilst im not a really heavy smoker I do have around 10 a day so not exactly healthy.
shortie212 2 months ago
@shortie212 Well as much as I hate to admit it its probably the nanny state taxation that keeps you from smoking a ton. If cartons of cigs (10 packs) were say 16.65 pounds (yeah I did the conversion) you'd probably smoke a ton right?
I know drinking however isnt detered by cost cause if ur gonna get drunk ur gonna get drunk.
But yeah very hard to stop suicidal/homicidal nutjobs with no criminal record from acting out.
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@Jamespot24 Actually I dont think the price really affects how much I smoke. Every cigarette I have I thinkj about how bad it is and how I want to stop and that's why I only smoke the amount I do at the moment but as its an addiction I cant jus stop straight away. But heres hoping I can in the new year
shortie212 2 months ago
@shortie212 New years resolutions are dumb, no offense. When I realized i was gaining too much weight a few years ago it just gotta be an instant decision to change. I watched my diet and upped my cardio and I was down almost 20lbs in 4 months, you just gotta have that rock bottom moment, where ur like "shit I gotta get motivated"
Thats my advice anyways.
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@shortie212 Its cases like Virginia Tech, which is why im going to get a concealed carry permit within the next year. Cause even though you might think that the collective is harmed by guns, my Individual safety is what I care about.
Anyways just trying to put forth a different point of view, have a good day
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@shortie212 Regardless of that far right retoric, its not about No Body having guns its about having a good united society. Look at Switzerland for example, they have a higher % of households with a firearm than the USA, and less crime than Japan.
When you have kids being raised by rappers who glorify gang violence, thats the worst. Its less of a gun problem Per Se and more of a demographic problem in my mind. The more divided people are the more prone they are to violence.
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@shortie212 You also might not understand that criminals here do not, go down to the local gun shop to purchase guns. That would require a background check and the owner writing down who they sold that gun too.
They get their guns like anyone in the UK would, through criminal contacts. So banning gun shops wouldn't affect them at all.
In terms of plain nut jobs, someone suicidal/homicidal, they are willing to die anyways, doesn't matter if they break the law. (Belgium shooting)
Jamespot24 2 months ago
@shortie212 Lol just like a nanny state Libtard to not defend their positions. Especially when they are exposed to points of view not portrayed in the media.
Or should I say the STATE RUN BBC
Jamespot24 2 months ago
This is sad. I cant help feeling bad form him. My opinion on this matter is: Hate the actions, not the man.
TheTwoRandoms 2 months ago 2
And he was obviously mentally ill and should have been in a mental hospital. Looks like Psychosis or scizophrenia.
Pent5HT 3 months ago
What an insane maniac.................
Pent5HT 3 months ago
@GhostOfEdGein666 Did you say the same thing about Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold or did you get a tissue and cry for them. Realize the only reason why you saying things like this is because it was done by a non-white that's all.
Sonorite 3 months ago
hes a fucking looser, If i were there, i should have shoothis head & rip his head off...thats y i always bring a gun to school nowadays, in case someone will do the same thing
banekangbutae87 3 months ago
what a life my bollox. you died a vigin you sad fuck
asmartcunt 3 months ago
FUCK GUN CONTROL - PLEASE
suicidesucks08 3 months ago
I would recommend reading the text of SB1070 before condemning it. (and the Wikipedia version doesn't count since anyone with an account there can change it to say it also mandates the eating of live kittens and bunnies.) And rest assured, if the IRA rearms, you'd better believe that such restrictions would be reintroduced into the UK.... yes I remember when they were in place there, and the fact that they're still in place... just unenforced..... for now.
crispycritterz 3 months ago
so because this psycho kills people i get punished? lol you're funny. even if gun legislation passed id keep my guns. id defend my 2nd amendment right and kill anyone who tried to disarm me BECAUSE it is mine and everyone elses birth right to self defense.
Grunt922 4 months ago
@Grunt922 Hell yeah brother!
socialistcontainment 4 months ago
Consider the source please. The UK has strict control over it's media and of course what it can say. Present anything that is not approved by the government and of course the home office, and they stand a real chance of having their license reviewed or even revoked. This is why an unrestricted internet is important. It must remain the people's media.
crispycritterz 4 months ago
@crispycritterz the UK has no control over it's media (aside from OFCOM which is just the UK version of the FCC and designed to keep out racism, swearing before watershed ect) their are no licensing for media. The media reports on anything they want and the government does nothing. I don't know what it is with Americans...it's like you think we live in Soviet Russia. We're just as free if not more free than America. American isn't the only democracy in the world you know?
98raza20 4 months ago
@98raza20 Some of the so called democracies are less democratic than others. Parliamentary versions of "democracies" for example. You may not hear about the home office nicking people for having cameras that are too professional or arresting people because they don't look respectable enough. Here such activity isn't tolerated, in the UK, it's so ingrained that it isn't even seen as a human rights violation.You're right America isn't the only democracy since none exists on earth.
crispycritterz 3 months ago
@crispycritterz The home office can't arrest anyone, the police can but they can't just go round arresting who they want without probable cause otherwise it is an unlawful arrest and they can get in serious trouble. A parliamentary is more democratic than a republic. The UK and Europe in general take Human Rights alot more seriously than America, you'd never get the SB 1070 laws in Britain. It ain't British police who want to go round harassing "suspected illegals" (any brown people).
98raza20 3 months ago
When you're a pathetic person camera technology may give you the false feeling of significance.
socialistcontainment 5 months ago
FUCK GUN -CONTROL PLEASE
suicidesucks08 5 months ago
We need to demand REAL investigations into every mass shooting. When it's discovered that nearly every shooter was a victim of MK Ultra (CIA/Military mind control program), the debate will no longer be over gun control. It will be about ending these black ops which are all about bringing in tyranny.
katydig 5 months ago
columbine was way cooler than this dude...he so cheesy.
odiumimbues 5 months ago
how come u sheeps always talk about guns guns guns, get some fists.
SpicyHam 6 months ago
@SpicyHam idiot.
nemesiocarigaba 6 months ago
Fuck the BBC and their opinions of what other countries should do with their laws, their Parliament obviously didn't get it right with their gun & knife bans because their gun death rate as DOUBLED in 10 years, and their crime rates are HIGHER than the USA's in many aspects.
And as far as the VT shooter goes, not only did the background check FAIL, but Cho also committed a Felony by lying on the purchase form about his mental past.
NinjaRider777R 6 months ago
You dork look at the Appalachian school of law shooting. The students had guns to defend themselves and look at how many were shot vs VA tech. Positive proof that more guns means more protection from crime.
ecuadmail 6 months ago
ROFL you want gun control ! Ok lets look at these useless laws real quick. To my knowledge it is illegal to have guns on any school campus...right ? Well if it is illegal....and this dude took a gun to school and killed people...then that means.....wait.....that means gun control doesn't work. See it was illegal....but he done it anyway. Doesn't that render the law useless ? Do you see how your pussy ass law isn't going to work ? Criminals will "ALWAYS" have guns. Always !!!
JaysChatChannel 7 months ago
So some kid goes and shoot up a university, thats the gun's fault is it? You are seriously stupid to title a video like that. Gun control would make no difference. Criminals will always have guns, no matter what laws are in place. You take away the guns and you take away the right for law abiding-citizens to protect themselves. Gun control will only get innocent people killed because they will be defenceless against criminals...
TaZ101SAGA 7 months ago
Not to mention, the feds would love to take our guns, because it would surely give them more comfort in shitting on their oaths, like they've already done, very recently, openly lying to the American public stating cannabis has no accepted medical use and their national drug campaign purposefully misinforming the country about the truth about marijuana(I don't do that stuff, but I believe in its legalization, mostly because the opposition to it is one huge pharmaceutically sponsored lie).
immaNig69 7 months ago
Gun Control is for politically retarded pussies, anyone knows that USA gun control would mean a plentiful black market of weapons in the hundreds of thousands against defenseless law abiders, all because a few dozen idiots think just because the shithole they live in is filled with gangs, who are mostly using illegal weapons in the first place.
immaNig69 7 months ago
Gun control means Government can do anything they want.
Atreyufolife 7 months ago
It was illegal to take a gun to Virginia tech. Did that stop Cho?
Patriot3332 8 months ago
thats what you get when you let foreigners into the country. Thumbs up if you want me to start a new government, get the drifters out of the country and a standard issue machine gun hamper for every law abiding citizen.
No1Richman 8 months ago
@No1Richman idiot!
nemesiocarigaba 6 months ago
WE NEED GUN CONTROL ALLOW STUDENTS TO CARRY GUNS AT SCHOOL!!!
Derail07 8 months ago
@Derail07 I agree
calvingoo 8 months ago
@Derail07 idk but they should def give them to teachers.
DarkBeauty1989 8 months ago
Well I think those people got what they deserved..Everything happens for a reason right..lol
dathao91 9 months ago
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Shadus13 8 months ago
Another thing is that many people who believe in the second amendment believe in having some qualifiers in place. CCW courses and such. If we have our way we won't be recklessly handing out guns like free candy, you still have to meet requirements as a person.
FrankDaTank1218 9 months ago
all gun control does is disarm law abiding citizens
thehamm3r256 9 months ago
I am a peace lover. If I could press a button and delete all guns from the planet and ensure that guns were never created again, I would press it, it would make things simpler.
However, guns are here and there is no way to magically get rid of them. Guns serve both the good guy and bad guy, they are tools that can be used to murder, yes, but they are also tools that can be used to ensure peace and protect the weak and innocent.
Signed,
A peace loving Green Party member and avid gun owner.
metalfaust19 10 months ago
guns dont kill people stupid muthrfkrs with guns kill people. -dmx-
nolajasper 10 months ago
@FFCS2009 ''necessity knows no law.'' Wow & true. That is an important reminder that 'laws' R made by men and are such, inherently subject to being flawed. So there is NO 'law' that is above necessity. In fact, the U.S. Constitution was framed with this reality in mind. ''We hold these truths to be self evident'' .......''certain unalienable Rights''
jhvenus2004 11 months ago
The more guns there are the more shootings there will be. Simple as that.
CommunistAngel 11 months ago 3
@CommunistAngel freedom is inherently dangerous.
thenoobcannon 11 months ago
@CommunistAngel I guess that's why people are stabbing each other more frequently now a days?
AngryPigFetus 10 months ago
Here is a common sense fact on the issue of self defense. In order for a person to defend themself against attackers, they must have and use as much force or more force than the attackers. For example, if U R attacked by 2 persons, then U need a gun to stop their attack immediately. If one person has balls to attack U, they may be armed; what do U have? Arizona law makers have done it right. Anyone who thinks to be ''DEFENSELESS'' is the way to go is brainwashed.
jhvenus2004 11 months ago
@jhvenus2004 what if 1 person is attacking you but you cannot fight and are VERY weak like me? If someone came up to me trying to hurt me with even their hands id HAVE to shoot them or they would kill me
greatestsongsofLIFE 11 months ago
@greatestsongsofLIFE I hear U. For many ppl, frailty is a reality they live with. Sadly, the same frail ppl who are preyed upon by preditors are also victimized by the legal system. I've heard law enforcement officers say that Laws and police are not for the protection of the ''individual''- and this unfortunately is true. Police and laws exist to maintain a more broad, general, 'image' of order, but the individual is always vulnerable to being maimed or killed at the whim of an attacker.
jhvenus2004 11 months ago
@jhvenus2004 i really dont care WHAT law says i cant protect myself with a gun. If killing a person trying to break into my house meant i got the DEATH penalty then so be it. Its better than my family being killed
greatestsongsofLIFE 11 months ago
i know who did this SOUTH KOREAN!
yellowpokerman 11 months ago
To be fair, I'll admit gun control stops legal guns from being illegally resold and reduces crimes of passion involving legal guns, however, pre-mediated crimes will and do happen under gun control and career criminals will continue to have guns, so on a societal scale its effect is minimal.
redcommander27 1 year ago
Killed people, took a two hour break while the school administration and police did NOTHING! Then went back and killed another 30
Nathan8r 1 year ago
it is a sad statement that americans need guns to defend themselves
toddmastria1 1 year ago
@toddmastria1 The same year as this shooting six college campus shootings were stopped by armed students.
redcommander27 1 year ago
@toddmastria1 Why is that a "sad statement"? I suppose it was also a "sad statement" that Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising managed to acquire rifles and fight off Nazi soldiers for nearly 1 month in the Warsaw ghetto to prevent themselves from being hauled off to the concentration camps and gassed?
zchris87v 1 year ago
It is indeed a tragedy of what happened at Virginia tech, but the fact remains that all college campuses that are gun free zones, really are just "Free Fire zones" This deranged kid knew that he would get no opposition or threat from anyone except the police, so by the time he was done, he had already done the damage. Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
sirjohn113 1 year ago
this chink is crazy
CHRISTHEASIAN7564 1 year ago
Gun control please? Youre fucking kidding right. If a student or faculty member had a legally owned gun during that shit, "cho" would have been shot dead.
sicfukc 1 year ago 36
@sicfukc
yeah, what he said ^
iulian28ti 1 year ago
don't u know? a student w/a gun did stop him, problem is that the student had to go to his car first to get the gun. When he did though he cought cho reloading and stopped him.
me i get 5 years just for having a gun so i'm as good as dead if someone decides. and don't think it's because i broke the law, read up on how polititions and prosicutors frame the evidence to make people plead gulty or get worse sentances if they try to defend themselves in court.
assman255 11 months ago
@sicfukc would be better is guns just didnt exist but i dont know guns or no guns people find a way to kill
EeccmanNL 10 months ago
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djamo1969 10 months ago
@sicfukc : And potentially countless numbers of people who were in the way could have also been shot dead as people were trying to kill Cho. Or more people would die from senseless acts of violence because every argument would escalate into a shootout. That is such a weak argument. It doesn't even make sense.
djamo1969 10 months ago
@djamo1969 Go do some research before you continue making yourself look like a fool.. Guns are 60 times more likely to SAVE a life than to take one!! That INCLUDES "accidental shootings" and "suicides," etc.. How often are there accidental shootings or robberies, etc.. At places like police stations, gun stores, shooting ranges, etc.. It is places where you anti-gun people are. You are easy pickings.. Hence the reason criminals choose your types..
YamahaWR200 9 months ago
@YamahaWR200:I have done my research.I have a M.A. in Sociology and I have never seen any of the research of which you speak.Deviance or criminology were not my specialties, but I have read enough on the subjects to know I have never heard those statistics before.You insult me and say, "Do your research," but you did not offer any of your own; just a bunch of made up anecdotes.How is that research? It sounds like you are just pulling that statistic out of your ass.
djamo1969 9 months ago
@djamo1969 I did offer information. I do not care whether you have a degree or not. It sounds like i am pulling numbers out of my ass because you have not done your research.. And how is it "insulting" when I tell you to do your research? You have not done it and that is a FACT.. Go look around and read. You will find the information I told you.. And you never addressed my question about how often there are shootings at police stations, gun stores, shooting ranges, etc..
YamahaWR200 9 months ago
@djamo1969 You are one of those people that thinks that everyone that has guns will pull one out at the drop of a hat because they are cut off on the freeway, etc.. You think it will be like Dodge City. It is honestly sad. Police carry guns, along with everyone with CCW's and open carriers. And they don't go and shoot everyone up even though they are just regular people like anyone else.. Look up APPALACHIAN SCHOOL OF LAW SHOOTING.. Discussion over...
YamahaWR200 9 months ago
One armed lunatic + hundreds of unarmed good people = epic tragedy. Hundreds of armed good people + one armed lunatic = one less lunatic.
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago 6
If its illegal to own guns, Then only criminals will have guns.
Metal4TheHungry 1 year ago 45
@Metal4TheHungry What U say is truth stated as simply as can be stated. Sad reality is this...... carefully examine a leader who wants to disarm his citizens and U'll find a leader, Mayor, congressperson who thinks very little of the local citizens- and consequentially, will batter them and kill them in the streets. e.g. Chicago's Mayor Daley Sr. and his punk son- soon to be ex-Mayor Daley. For 30 years now, they've violated the Constitutional Rights of Chicagoans by banning handguns there
jhvenus2004 11 months ago
@Metal4TheHungry I live in new jersey: and yes we have the strictest gun control laws in the country and the funny thing about this is that most of the people who can get one legally can't get one since the government has made it so hard to obtain them legally, I myself am barred from LEGALLY obtaining them and yet I have a couple...As you can see gun laws really help out...in MY case help ME out when I need some quick money...
AngryPigFetus 10 months ago
@Metal4TheHungry i believe the quote you were looking for is "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
nero314100 10 months ago
@nero314100 I believe the real quote here should be... "Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security." ~ Benjamin Franklin.
loco4vicodin1 10 months ago
@Metal4TheHungry the quote is "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" as seen on John Casey's shirt in chuck.
NewsInformant 3 months ago
this is what all you little gun control supporters don't realize.
gun control =/= crime control
back in the 19 and 20th century, in the uk, any adult could own ANY modern firearm, but violet gun grimes were so rare, that the police force of the time very rarely had firearms, and merely had a billyclub.
CopperLeagueGaming 1 year ago
@CopperLeagueGaming
if you want gun control, i'll tell you exactly how you can get it, solve world peace, return our economy back to positive, where every willin american is able to get employed, boost teh police force to where if i call 9-1-1 a police officer knock on my door within a minute,
CopperLeagueGaming 1 year ago
@CopperLeagueGaming
oh and ban every other item used to kill/main people in the past, fire axes, firework, kitchen knifes, steak knifes, baseball bats, pocketknife, large stones crowbars, small stones and slings, bows and crossbows, all the components use to make explosives, so ban gasoline and Styrofoam, metal pipes adn end caps used to make pipbombs,
CopperLeagueGaming 1 year ago
@CopperLeagueGaming
oh yea, ban firewood and lighters/lighter fluid.
imprison body builders adn martial artists, because their hands are weapons as well.
oh adn thank you walking tall, ban 4x4s as well.
CopperLeagueGaming 1 year ago
@CopperLeagueGaming Oh did you hear, the UK is trying to ban pocket knives, kitchen knives & even some sharp pencils. They've gotten horribly out of control, since the gun ban they've had a surge of knife violence there, by mostly criminals & gang bangers. Yes a government out of control will do just that, heck they don't even have large vehicles in the UK, only cars the size of mini's.
sirjohn113 1 year ago
Gun control is a joke, and I will explain why. If you have heard of the Black Market, then you know that guns will continue to be sold to people, whether or not gun control laws exist. So, if the gun gets into the hands of a psychologically unhealthy individual, then there would be some problems.
But what about pocketknives being used in murders? Are we going to instigate some sort of ban of pocketknives?
What about self-defense. Gun control only prevents citizens from protecting themselves.
InDarkDominion 1 year ago
This shooting occured in an area that did have gun control. Virginia Tech was lauded for becoming a gun free zone about 8 months before the shooting. It was a gun free zone, and that didn't stop the shooter from bringing a gun into that gun free zone, and murdering people.
This is not an example to be used in support of gun control. Gun control was applied, and it failed...miserably.
ProkofievRules 1 year ago
you wont want gun control when they take you to your oven
SevenLeggedWalrus 1 year ago
Gun control? Don't be a commie idiot. Maybe if 15 of the 30 some people he killed had guns, this death toll wouldn't be NEARLY as high. Next time, whipe your vagine before posting bullshit like this. The evil and the crazy will ALLWAYS have weapons, but the good people allways outweight the evil... these dumb asses just need to learn how to buy a gun and learn how to use it. If somone kills you, its YOUR fault, not the police, not security, not your mama's. its YOUR fault. Train you sheep.
jacobzjf 1 year ago
Only one gun can stop another gun. Teach me how to prevent the gangster and bad people from having guns
zerobinary2 1 year ago
@zerobinary2 word. if someone wants to get a gun, he will get one.
US citizens have the right 'to bear arms' to defend themselves from the corrupted gov if needed.
utar88utar 1 year ago
@utar88utar One or few tragedy like this is better than police state
zerobinary2 1 year ago
@zerobinary2 yes. my thoughts exactly
utar88utar 1 year ago
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I bet the shooter, Seung Hoi Cho, was very happy with the gun control laws in effect.
They made it so much easier for him to go on his rampage. He was able to kill so many people because the gun control laws prevented his victims from being armed, so they weren't going to stop him.
How did he die? By a gun when he shot himself. If the students or staff had been armed he'd have been killed long before he claimed 33 victims
Humberto4790 1 year ago
@Humberto4790 Thank god for someone with a brain. That is so good, to find someone that knows what the hell is going on. Arm the kids, im high school, in college, arm all the teachers in middle school. Very simple solution. Just like the kids in Israel. There isn't any school shootings there.
skaterock7734 1 year ago
@skaterock7734 Well make the teens take gun saftey classes.Because,they should always treat a gun like it's loaded and shouldnt play around with it.And never keep a gun loaded in your pocket,because it could go of and blow your balls off.
Humberto4790 1 year ago
@Humberto4790 That is reasonable. I never would have thought of that though lol. I like my freedom. Down with the public schools. Anything government run. welfare, department of education, department of agriculture, ect ect. Everything should be privatized.
skaterock7734 1 year ago
@skaterock7734 Why do you think it should be privatized?
Humberto4790 1 year ago
@TheStanglx Notice these massacres always happen in 'gun free zones'.
vatoencabronado 1 year ago
"criminals are going to get guns anyway"...
Really? They cant get guns in England, or Japan, or any other country with strict gun laws. But any old nutball like Cho here can get a gun thanks to the gun lobby. You can find one literally anywhere. that is why america will never reduce crime. you reap what you sow america
kakashi76767 1 year ago
@kakashi76767 That's not true, Mexico has tough gun laws, and there have been 28000 gun murders due to the war on drugs in the last couple of years. America's crime rates have other causes and are not related to private and legal gun ownership
vatoencabronado 1 year ago
@vatoencabronado first of all, mexican gun laws are laughable. in fact, they are very similar to american gun laws. second, i agree that american crime rates in general have many causes, one of them being the war on drugs. however, in terms of violent crime, guns are almost always involved. no one has ever proposed that ALL guns be taken away. however, when a lawmaker suggests regulating gun shows, for example, and the gun lobby is dead set against it, people die as a result.
kakashi76767 1 year ago
@kakashi76767 the columbine kids got their guns via a gun show. when people confuse having the right to have one or two guns with the right to have a fucking armory capable of winning a war, its a problem. some american lawmaker recently proposed having a one gun a month purchase limit, and the gun lobby objected. that is how fucked up americans are. they think that "only" being able to buy 12 guns a year is a violation of their rights somehow. all of these extra guns end up on the street
kakashi76767 1 year ago
@kakashi76767 Having lived in an international metropolis that straddles the Mexican border, I can tell you that Mexican gun laws are very strict. They are no joke. What kills people is creating zones where people like this guy know there will be no resistance, and they can murder at will. There have been multiple cases of citizens stopping people on murderous rampages with private firearms, but you don't get as much play on the TV with that.
vatoencabronado 1 year ago
@vatoencabronado bullshit. besides, ill take my chances with people like cho here anyday if the alternative is having to take my kid to the store and wait in a line with 10 armed people, none of whom i know or trust. you dont think that your fellow gun lovers wont pull their guns out over misunderstandings and arguments? if you really think that, then you are living in a upotian dreamworld.
kakashi76767 1 year ago
@kakashi76767 Bullshit??? What's bullshit? Care to back that up with any facts? Oh you don't have any... ok, call it whatever you want, but El Paso, where I lived for 30 yrs is one of the safest cities in the country, and everyone carries guns. Juarez, which is separated from El Paso by a river is one of the most dangerous cities in the world, and you can't carry there. The war on drugs is to blame, not gun ownership or carrying.
vatoencabronado 1 year ago
@vatoencabronado El Paso is far wealthier than Juarez. Poverty breeds crime, including violent crime. also, when i looked up el paso on wikipedia right now, i didnt see anything interesting about its crime statistics. No "one of the safest cities in the country award or anything like that. pretty sure you are just bullshitting there. if open carrying laws makes things safer, then why are cops always against it? are you saying that cops are not experts on the matter?
kakashi76767 1 year ago
@kakashi76767 We don't have open carry in El Paso, and people carried concealed before it was legal. There isn't an award on Wikipedia, but if you look up something relevant, like violent crime rates per city you'll see that El Paso is one of the safest cities in the country. Cops are against open carry, but not always concealed carry, I know plenty of cops that are for it. Cops are not experts in my opinion, no, even when they agree with me.
vatoencabronado 1 year ago
@kakashi76767 As far as El Paso being far wealthier, that depends on how you look at it. The drug trade has brought in plenty of money to the whole area. El Paso has very little industry, the biggest employers there are the school districts. Average income and education rates are some of the lowest in the country, so there goes your theory of it just being about income. All the best restaurants and clubs were in Juarez before things got completely out of hand there.
vatoencabronado 1 year ago
Finishing up my comment Here’s the kicker. She heard this man break into her house and heard him coming down the hall. Paralyzed with fear, she crawled under her bed and waited for the inevitable to happen. The intruder of course found her as described in my previous post. Now the sad thing is she did not own a gun. All this chaos could have been prevented if she was armed. In response to kakashi76767 a gun may not have been magic, but it would have at least given her a fighting chance.
justinbra 1 year ago
@justinbra i heard that was an old wives tale... its just a story parents tell their kids to get them to be good.
kakashi76767 1 year ago
Well here are some facts for all you gun haters. Criminals will and do posses firearms, so us law abiders should too. Here’s another fact. My best friend’s sister was rapped a year ago. A man came into her home late at night, tied her up, and rapped her repeatedly. Once he finished that, he took a broom stick and rapped her anally, causing internal damage. Her life was spared, but her emotional stability is dead. (Comment Continued)
justinbra 1 year ago
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justinbra 1 year ago
@TheStanglx guns are not magic force fields. believe it or not, you can still be shot even if you have a gun!! for example, someone suprises you and bang, your dead, even before you get a chance to take your gun out.
kakashi76767 1 year ago
One good man with a gun that day could have dropped this jerk. But, it was a gun free zone. Shame he did not think much of that, most criminals don't.
QTheLibertine 1 year ago 2
Lol gun control hahahahah pussies trying to end this country if everyone was armed he wouldve gotten killed
Notagayusername10 1 year ago
Please anti gunners, I plead with you. Do your homework properly. Gun control fails time and time again. Where has it been successful anywhere in the world? Show me one place, I will prove you wrong. It facilitates murders like these rather that prevent them. Cath a mass wakeup before the next mass shooting.
Why are there never accidental or intentional shootings at gun shows...?
CQSlim 1 year ago
@CQSlim ur so right take england for example we've had 1 random massacre and 1 person who shot 1 person dead and injured his ex and went on to shoot a pig officer in the face and blind him for life. The problem is that police think that they're ready if a shooting ever happens. They're not.
I personaly think that members of the public should carry legal guns because then they could help fight the illegal gun crime.
mikeyduke10 1 year ago