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  • Fox news is a central hub of the conservative movement's well-oiled media machine. Together with the GOP organization and its satellite think tanks and advocacy groups, this network of fiercely partisan outlets (like the Washington Times, the Wall Street Journal, and conservative talk-radio shows like Rush Limbaugh's) forms a highly effective right-wing echo chamber where GOP-friendly news stories can be promoted, repeated and amplified. Fox knows how to play this game better than anyone.

  • 3:19 Maybe we should look at all the crap that CNN puts out.. Let's face it, both Fox and CNN are right and left wing news stations, and will distort the story in any way they can to fit their agenda.

  • Fuck school

  • not enough distortion to justify wasting 3:38 seconds of my life...

  • SEARCH youtube (DR. MALACHI Z. YORK CONSPIRACY) WHILE HE HAS BEEN INCARCERATED HE HAS BEEN ASKED BY THE GOVERNMENT IF HE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO USE THE BOOKS THAT HE HAS WRITTEN TO HELP CHANGE THE MENTAL DISORDER OF THESE "SO-CALLED" CRIMINALS THAT ARE SENTENCE TO FLORANCE COLORADO "SUPERMAX" PRISON. AGAIN..WOW!!!

  • @MsMafdet81 ALL CAPS!!!11!!11!!!1!!!1!

  • FREE DR. MALACHI Z. YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!! he is being held in this exact Facility and is in FACT an INNOCENT MAN!!!!!!! FREE DR. MALACHI Z. YORK! (THIS DOCUMENTARY IS PROVING THAT HE IS INNOCENT,BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED DURING HIS TRIAL,THAT HE IS INNOCENT, WITH EVIDENCE TO PROVE THIS!!!!. WHEN NOW I STUMBLE ACROSS THIS ON YOUTUBE, SEARCHING INFORMATION ABOUT THE PRISON THEY HAVE SENT DR. YORK TO, CAUSE I HAD NEVER HEARD OF OT, AN JUST LIKE THAT,ITS COVING ON THE EXACT INJUSTICE. WOW!

  • Its simple... if you do the crime, you do the time. people are complaing about the conditions of these places.. your in there for a reason, its not as if there getting inosent people off the streets and putting them in these places....

  • @HD88JKD sometime they do.

  • why does the ACLU protect foreign terrorists? they are not citizens and have shown they would destroy America if given the chance. They should have been kept at GITMO or better yet killed on the battlefield, that is the #1 goal of any true Muslim to die in battle for Allah. Every body would have been happy

  • I have to agree with XenMonkey13; what's wrong with defending the civil liberties outlined in the constitution? Free speech? Right to bear arms? Freedom from quartering troops? Protection from unreasonable search and seizure? Freedom from double jeopardy? Speedy trial by impartial jury? Protection from Cruel and Unusual punishment?

    If you condone this treatment for people that have not even been charged with a crime, you are condoning the same treatment for yourself. Can you empathize?

  • The ACLU is going to get alot more people killed. You can lay the next terror attack at their door. Why not? They defend these animals while Americans have to jump out of 80 story windows holding hands on the way down after a plane crashes into thier workplace. Think about that. And when America tries to defend herself, who tries to tie her hands even further? Liberal or conservative, the ACLU's actions speak for themself.

  • i say just take those fuckers out back behind the tool shed and have at them.

  • I don't really care which place the terrorists stay at, as long as they stay in one or the other. They all deserve what is being done to them since they blow up innocent men, women, and children in the name of God. Last time I checked, God was more for peace than that bull shit.

  • The ACLU is a Homegrown Terrorist Organization. Their main objective(s) is to dismantle our Military, while protecting & defending Illegal Immigrants & any Al Qaeda terrorist legal or not living in the U.S. When an Illegal Immigrant Murdered Arizona Rancher Robert Krentz, the ACLU rushed to defend the Illegal immigrant.

    WAKE UP AMERICA, the ACLU no longer cares about our Civil Liberties...

    STOP THE ACLU!

  • They should send Fritzl from Austria to that Prison...

  • The detainees at gitmo are TERRORISTS, second of all they aren't american citizens. They have no constitutional rights, and they don't have rights as human beings, because if you let them out, they'd blow you and your children up. Liberals need to wake up. :)

  • The detainees at Gitmo are terrorists, so then why should be treated with adequate conditions? Second of all, they aren't American citizens, so they don't have constitutional rights like the prisoners on U.S. soil. I'm not even a full fledged Conservative, but I do think you Liberals need to wake up!u

  • very good video!

  • Gitmo detainees should be moved to SuperMax

  • A work of art, civil hell mmmmmmmm worse than death.

  • just kill them, less to worry about

  • Arguing with these idiots is meaningless......we have so many un-Americans in this country its depressing. The ACLU needs to move to an Islamic country and do their good work....lol

  • If you are not a US citizen then you are not allowed US rights. Prisoners of war and foreign terrorists have already been convicted of their guilt before entry via military intel. If you go against another country, you better be ready for Hell on Earth, especially if it's the US. Human life is precious, as are ones liberties. If you were to be sold into slavery and all your stuff given to your master, you would change your stance quickly wouldn't you?

  • These prisoners shouldn't be given the civil liberties that we have, yet it is rather funny that the same News broadcast that backed the torture in Gitmo, is now turning it on the Obama administration and using it against him. Torture is torture...not in my views but if you are a news channel, the absolute best outcome is reporting on stories in a consistent manner with no bias' in any way. Fox fails massively each and every time.

  • @mountainstandardtime You know what, you fucking imbecile? Psychopaths like you will be the downfall of America. Choosing not to detain prisoners who are awaiting trial in a maximum security prison isn't weakness, it's justice. It's one of the principles that made the U.S. great. If you don't like it, I suggest you move to an Islamic theocracy because you have more in common with them than you'd like to think.

  • @mountainstandardtime It would look the same as if you were in control.

  • the only thing weak is the idiotic, bible thumping, and anti-american right that has run this country for too damn long.

  • Hey dumb ass... There is no such thing as a "Muslim country".

    I can see you are highly educated as Sarah Palin, whom I'm sure you would vote for...

    LOL

    Stupid American!

  • @RoyalOakDude I think there is one, it is called Pakistan, which is as per Wikipedia, named officially the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

  • @silentdreamers  You need to learn the difference between Islamic and Muslim, you fool. Do you even own a dictionary ? Have you ever read a book?

    If you have to look to Wikipedia for your education I will just disregard all you have to say as that makes you COMPLETELY uneducated.

    Laughable a best! Simply put, you are a poor Republican, correct? I just love poor Republicans!

  • @RoyalOakDude You are an American asshole who suffer with intense prejudice. Your questions are so futile and probably a representation of your dickheadedness, that I would not respect them with an answer.

    I will say one thing, please stop being so confrontational, and judgmental.

    Thanks

  • @RoyalOakDude and another one, it's Islamic Republic of Iran.

  • @RoyalOakDude There are Muslim countries. Iran is one of them. Their constitution is based on the Koran and their leader is a Muslim leader. Dumbass.

  • Fox News ??......is not a NEWS !!!!!

  • Merry CHRISTMAS TO ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TOUGH LOVE !!! The ACLU more concerned with terrorists..Why dont we see them protesting drug lords????They are poisening the children the people of the world!!  Addicting people to the poisen for profit and power!! Where is the hollywood ACLU types at on this one??? FUCK THE ACLU !!!!!!!!!!

  • @hardrightbrutha Do you even understand what the function of the ACLU is? Rhetorical question- you dont have a fucking clue. Drug epidemics dont relate to CIVIL LIBERTIES.

  • "poison", not "poisen".

    3rd sentence: no verb; fragment.

    7th sentence: no subject or verb.

    Last sentence, verb-subject disagreement: is - types.

    F.

  • Acid must be back in. I also see you declared war on spelling. Its poison dumbass. Next time wait till you come down before "poisoning " the chat with your retarded dribble.

  • fuck you

  • the media and news stations are run by monopolies i think. cant trust those monopolies huh

  • Okay little help please?

    Did anyone but me see Bret Baier's video of Michelle Obama breaking the bowl over pres Obama's head after he danced with the salsa gal

    If you have it please post

  • Well, that's why I never was that wild about ABSOLUTE freedom of speech.

    It seems that if there are no restraints whatsoever that freedom ends up protecting hate-mongers and liars and ends up serving the spread of disinformation. and that has VERY bad consequences.

    Take global warming, a devastating reality hordes of people think is just a hoax!

    I say people should NOT have the freedom to spread lies. Deceivers should NOT have the right to deceive.

  • I mean everyone nowadays is like 'wah wah MY rights it's all about ME.' Well fact is we share this planet with a lot of other people and we have collective interests, and those interests go as far as ensuring our continued survival as a species.

    I am not asking people to give up their individuality, but the common good and the good of our species IS more important then the rights of the individual. So sometimes yeah... people SHOULD be curbed.

    Same as how there should be traffic lights.

  • shoot them cost less and there r gone.

  • if u look at the top of the page did youtube put that their invalid argument??? pfft.. youtube...

  • aclu is bull crap~shame on them for putting people in jail over praying.. and they never did a crime.. yet you can have a muslim pray and not a christian pray.. over their meal something isnt right here.

  • Not DAM, its DAMN.

    A dam is a barrier to hold back water, Damn is the short form of Damnation.

  • @hardrightbrutha obviously you are a Fox news zombie, open your little mind and research what the ACLU is about before you just let Fox warp your little mind

  • @hardrightbrutha Youre fucking nuts.

  • another thing with Bush is that half of the money he spent wasn't accounted for in any budget... the war in Iraq, which in my mind is still illega´l, was especially expenseive in that regard

  • No, they won't be run out of the country, they belong here more than both the Republican and Democratic party.

  • is it dangerous because it tries to defend civil liberties?

    is it dangerous because it wants to minimize discrimination?

    Please tell us all how you think the ACLU is dangerous...

  • @XenMonkey13 I can see someone who lost a child to a predator believing the ACLU is dangerous when considering it's work on behalf of NAMBLA.;I can see someone who lost a family member to an illegal alien gang member considering the ACLU dangerous with it's "No Person is Illegal" stance.When they litigated against an all girl public school where girls could concentrate ion studies instead of worryng about boys and sex, can understand the ACLu being considered dangerous-and obnoxious...

  • @XenMonkey13 Every time America tries to defend itself, the aclu does its best to tie it's hands even further. This is one way it's dangerous. Among many others.

  • ha ha ha hhhhaa hahaa oh sorry. Do you even know what ACLU stands for? LOL

    AND try running over me cause you will need to if anyone tries running them out of the USA....and I wonder if YOU should be run out of the country.

  • obviously it's you who don't know what the ACLU stands for. But don't worry, the shit will hit the fan eventually and ACLU (along with Hussien Obama) will be run out of the country.

  • Just in case I'm taken wrong, I mean this as in, the deception's we r being pulled into. ex ..politics keep us apart,the disagreement with the fights,going on everywhere. This is easy, clear focus noise will help us see what can be done, If we stop the disagreeing so heavy... Idea's like to be heard...If we stop r interest in them.(.Politics.)(ps...they r all the same), maybe they will see we caught on to them.... Interest creates power..what would happen if we took r interest away?

  • Hey, you guys know the tv is biased when and with everything.? We r wasting our time on this. All this crap doesn't allow us to breathe. That's what we should try to do. Stop and Breathe A solution will come. We r all smart enough to come up with great solutions for all It's OUR WORLD ... R meaning all of us own this for the time we r here.. Everybody needs a time out. Think of a great idea.

  • I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. It all sums up into one single purpose — the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live. I dont regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. ACLU Founder, Robert Baldwin

  • The ACLU was founded by Robert Baldwin a COMMUNIST . HIS GOAL WAS TO WEAKEN, DISTROY AMERICAS CULTURE,HERITAGE,MORALITY TO WEAKEN OUR RESOLVE TO RESIST SOCIALIST IDEOLOGY! iF FACT NEARLY all THE FIRST FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE ACLU WERE MARXISTS,COMMUNISTS , SOCIALISTS . LOOK AT WHO THEY FIGHT AND WHAT CASES THEY CHOOSE WILL SHOW THEIR AGENDA. We need to stop funding the ACLU, Teachers Unions ,Endowment for the arts. ALL ARE LEFTIST DEVICES TO DISTROY AMERICAN CULTURE, HERITAGE,FAITH! FACT!

  • @bluecamaro98 How's that paranoid insanity working out for you?

  • Liberals . Communists. Socialists .Progressives . all areDemocrats . All are now seen as just who and what they are ., the ACLU was STARTED BY A COMMUNIST! look it up! COMMUNISM IS THE LIBERAL/ Progressives TRUE GOAL! Look at Obamas words and deeds . IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DISTROY AMERICA AND CAPITOLISM WHAT WOULD YOU DO DIFFERENTLY THAN THE LIBERAL LEFT AND BARRY SOETORO ER MR OBAMA ? NOTHING! LIBERALS/PROGRESSIVES ARE THE ENEMY WITH-IN! WAKE UP AMERICA! The NEW YORK TIMES LEAKS....

  • Where are you getting your info? We are not a democracy...we are a Constitutional Republic and have been for a long time. The constitution is the only document that is keeping this republic alive and that is slowly being chiseled away. Remember Bush's Patriot Act? Stop blaming Obama already.

  • @bluecamaro98 Wow. Just when I thought the comments couldn't get crazier... THEY DID! I think you and Beck have the same wet-dreams, imaginary friends and crazy delusions.

  • fox news is trying to get obama killed!!

  • Give me a break. CNN does the same thing, but no one gives a shit. Liberals got Obama, and look what happened. Recession that obama says will last for 10 years till its over, and trillions in debt. Thats why liberals need to stfu. You have no idea how to run a government, and are just annoying whinners whenever Bush or republicans or fox says something you dont agree with.

  • **Liberals got Obama, and look what happened. Recession that obama says will last for 10 years till its over, and trillions in debt.**

    Yea... because everything was paradise and then in a few short months the new president completely ruined everything?

    Gotta love how all of Bush's screw-ups are being blamed on the new guy.

  • if bush was such a screw up y was he elected twice???????? if he was in twice then it obviously wasnt a mistake unless we dnt actually have a say in wat goes on in our country.. CNN is as bias as fox bu they dnt try to scare lik fox does they jus talk NEGATIVE, everything is negative... except if its in the dems interest

  • He DID screw up!

    If you can't see that then you are a moron. Everyday I talk to people living in the economic screw up that can be directly attributed to the poor decisions made by the Bush admin.

    Plus we DIDN'T have a say in the second election because he was kept in office due to the electoral vote not the popular vote, which Gore won!

    Bush will go down in history as one, if not the number one, worst presidents of American history.

    But maybe if you really paid attention you would know that.

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  • Well at least i can support your finishing comment. Remember that since the first and foremost goal is to make money, they don't have a liberal bias since they will turn on any president the moment he does something questionable. FOX actually DOES have a painfully obvious bias though.

  • Sorry to tell you this, but the Bush administration alone wasn't responsible for the economic situation. They did make the situation worse by blowing a budget surplus and creating an unemployment crisis after Clinton left things smoothly running for them. But the housing bubble collapsed on it's own.

    ...

    Does that mean Bush could have done nothing to prevent the situation? No, he could've avoided his jackass tax cuts and kept the budget surplus to make things easier on the job market.

  • Actually the economic issues we are having right now stem back to as far as Carter. Most of the problems today are due to deregulation of business and a free market let run wild. Unfortunately that even to a large extent includes Clinton regardless of surplus made during his admin.

    But as yet to date, Bush deregulated the free market in ways that pushed the downward spiral even faster.

    I'm all for capitalism, but unfortunately I don't get to vote how a corporation runs and distributes it's net.

  • bush wasnt elected legally twice. He was legally elected once, and that was after al gore should have left office.

  • Gee...

    How about he was elected twice because the liberal voters of America are lazy? I can honestly tell you that the ONLY reason Obama won was because he managed to increase voter turn-out, otherwise he would have lost regardless of how well his campaign went.

    And CNN isn't no where near as biased as FOX. Hell, as far as FOX goes CNN is completely balanced and free of personal opinion in comparison.

  • you are an idiot.

    Perhaps if the ACLU could learn to be more concise and accurate in their statements, news organizations like Fox will include their entire quotes, instead of only parts of them.

    They are a news organization, not your personal propaganda machine.

    Go get a job.

  • So you are saying that it is okay to use partial quotes improperly to change the meaning/purpose of the work because there are no actual facts supporting Fox's case?

    That is like saying edawg76210 said "News organizations like Fox, they are personal propaganda machines." You didn't say this statement, but by not properly quoting you it looks like you did.

  • Yeah... I think its time we told Fox their copyright of the phrase "fair and balanced" has been revoked.

  • they are "suspects" and yet they get treated worse than any guy ive seen on youtube. And i have watched all of them i think!!. anyhow, they hide behind the 1st amendment beacuse freedom of speech is also called "doubt" i think. it dosent matter what is right or wrong anymore, just that most people believe one way or the other that it is correct to them. ya know, thet them to play along??

  • Fox "Fixed" News needs to GTFO IMO

  • exactly!

  • Why are you guys Talking about Nuklear weapons, president of the united states etc?

    This video is about supermax!

  • excellent

  • aiming high here but- is there a way to put fox news out of commission?

  • Republicans ramp up opposition to transfer of detainees into the US, Democrats follow closely, reelection campaign staff nodding over shoulders.

    Fox shoves terror down throats.

    The resulting public and political climate is such that we're two clicks away from putting every yes and every maybe 'enemy combatant' ('soldier' would garner more empathy) into a soul killer prison.

    Any politician offering a soundbite saying otherwise is a shoe-lose in 2010.

    You won't hear many peeps, unless you do).

  • Yes is was a smear job and I have no respect for most "news" stations bc I don't care to hear a half ass stories. It's a waste of everyones time.

  • I find it amusing that peopole look at Fox News as a genuine news program. Look its drama - propaganda if you wish - but certinly not news. The slogans are just sales and marketing - don't give it value it doesn't have.

  • Thats why I don't watch television.. at all. Its better for my brain.

  • Thank you so much for posting these videos and revealing the omnipresent deceit found in the media nowdays!

  • Speaking of GITMO and TORTURE, President Obama's speech today was stelar! The Republican's claim to be the "Constitutional" party, but are doing EVERYTHING in their power to NOT adhere to the constitution! Man, I am soooo proud to be an American right now! Yes, change has come! Not a fucking minute too soon either!

  • No

    And because they are A-Holes

  • Fox News does this kind of reporting all the time. They take quotes and cut and paste just part of it. Same bullshit with Fox, different day. Fox News is the worst network in the United States. Watch C-Span everyone, that way you know exactly what is going on in Congress and at the White House. Some think C-Span is boring, but you should see some of the judiciary committees right now! Action packed!

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  • .....Perhaps if Fox news covered only the ACLU they would have enough air- time to get their punctuation right.

  • LiberalViewer,

    you need airtime.

    With all of this "liberal media" around,

    you should easily be able to find a national radio network that would give you a few hours a day.

    At least Rush, with his ever-growing commitment to equality and fairness,

    would let you have a voice on his program.

  • I just fainted and fell of my chair! Did you just say: At least Rush, with his ever-growing commitment to equality and fairness,would let you have a voice on his program.... Rush and fairness! Get off the crack and koolaid. Rush is a rude, vulgar, drug addicted asshole. Did you hear what he said about wanting President Obama to fail? Did you hear what he said about Michael J. Fox? I am with Wanda Sykes! I hope is fucking kidneys fail! God Speed!

  • Hey man,

    I was being extremely sarcastic.

    If you couldn't realize this fact in the context of the comment, I am ashamed to call you a fellow Liberal.

    (Again, I am joking.)

  • Sorry! My bad! I guess I got to lighten up! It is just that Limbaugh is such an asshole it is truly unbelievable. It blew my mind that this asshole was actually allowed to talk at CPAC. I wouldn't have let that mother fucker within 100 miles of that conference. If this guy is the best the GOP can come up with, good riddance!

  • Couldn't agree more.

    Well, they do have Sarah Palin.

    But again with another Bush puppet?

    Come on.

    If Palin, Limbaugh, and FOX are leading the right, then we all know who's wrong.

  • the ACLU are scum, they defended NAMBLA

  • If you think that, you have not understood what the ACLU stand for... free speech is free speech, even if you totaly disagree or think it's vile.

    Personaly i think NAMBLA is the biggest discrace ever, but advocating lawchange is not criminal, or you would have to lock up those advocating to change the drinking age as well.

    ACLU defends the right to express ones opinon, without fear of prosecution, as anyone is allowed to do in a free country, you just have the right not to listen...

  • I hope fox news is watching this channel. Even though they don't have a concious at least they can see that they are being exposed for what they really are.. a propaganda channel.

  • Dude, how do you find this shit?  You would make a great professional investigative journalist!

  • An ad absurdism argument? You attribute an extreme point of view to the video creator, a point of view no one here is suggesting, with the idea that it makes you clever? It doesn't. Why is it so hard to believe in a balanced median?

  • Quote mining at its finest. It completely ignores the actual issue the opposing viewpoint was trying to convey.

  • This is a story where your dry style pays off.

    ThanX for nailing the spawn of satan.

  • No one wants to go to any SUPERMAX....any American that doesn't know what is going on in a regular prison does not even want to imagine what was going on in GITMO...sickening yes, and a REAL look needs to be taken of our prisons. REMEMBER that we want rehabilitation...but we are getting garbage out of punative systems instead.

  • to all the haterz mccain promised to close gitmo as well

  • No he didn't.

  • except he did stfu and look it up bitch

  • sometimes it could be possible. You make a good point. Don't degrade the positive power that the ACLU has with people that have issues to be settled.

  • Though I will allow for the importance of ACLU's job, I think that they sometimes choose their battles for shock value more than for legitimate concern for constitutional rights (like Nazis marching in Jewish neighborhoods). If the ACLU wanted to perform it's function more effectively, it would seek to help Congress more clearly design and define existing laws with an eye to making them constitutional BEFORE they are challenged,

  • I want to say you are smoking crack with that allegation...it is simply stupid to say the ACLU would take on any case that was not a case of abuse. SO smoke some more crack....yeah, we know you do!!! and relax, the ACLU is on the job....we represent everyone.

  • Why do Liberals care so much about terrorists? I could never figure that out.

    The same people don't mind aborting fetuses, but they get all upset that some scumbag terrorists might be treated unfairly. Go figure.

  • wow!!

    The fact that you interpret protecting individual rights as caring about terrorists and the right of a woman to decide over her own body as been ok with abortion, is beyond me...

    Just because you disagree with the individual doesnt give you the right to strip them off their constitutional guarranties to ensure the outcome of their decisions. Thats called fascism... Not conservalism. You are supposed to defend the constitution over all

  • First of all they do not have constitutional rights. They are not American citizens. They want to murder Americans and have stated this many times over and over.

    So like I said, you don't want terrorists that aim to kill innocent people to be tortured, yet you don't mind innocent babies being murdered.

    So you like terrorists and murdering babies.

    Hey, that's your right. I'm glad I don't think that way.

  • The US Constitution is the law of the land and under that parameter means that protects every human being in US soil regardless of nationality. It goes under a simple principle "if the goverment grants you, the goverment can take it away." If you take away liberty from a human being, you must grant him basic rights.

    But even that is besides the point. The US is bound by the Geneva convention under art. 10 which assumes innocence untill proven guilty

  • Regarding abortion. I dont think abortion is right, but I believe in the right of a woman to choose over her own body. If we legislate aborion we shall make it illegal for a woman to drink while in gestation, or smoke. Even when we know is wrong, NO GOVERMENT SHALL DICTATE OVER AN INDIVIDUALS BODY. The most i can do is persuade a woman to change her opinion on abortion but i cant impose my beliefs just because hers are different from mine or what I think is right.

  • See, you have the right to be angered by the treatment of terrorists that want to murder Americans. I have the right to be angered by the murder of unborn, innocent babies.

    The fact that you care more about a handful of terrorists in Cuba then you do about the hundreds of thousands of babies murdered yearly is your choice.

    Rather than choose adoption, you support a woman's choice to murder her fetus. That's cool. Just don't try and claim some moral high ground regarding human rights.

  • My right to be angered by unfair treatment to prisoners or your right to be anger to the murder of unborn babies is not in question.

    Whats in question is the application of human rights to our enemies. Thats what defines us as better society. The way we treat our enemies. As for abortion one can say preventing it with the use of condoms is murder.

    I do feel i have a higher ground over you in this matter.

  • Interesting person jms8888 on the one hand you seem to be very sensitive of the point that you believe life begins at conception but yet don't seem to care how many of your given enemies are killed. You don't seem to care at all whether they are proven guilty or not. We killed women, child and babies in our bombing of Baghdad but I don't see any complaints from you then. Thousands of children die of starvation will you give up your food? Think hard on your convictions.

  • the detainees in guanatanamo bay are not POWs and bound by the geneva convention. they are unlawful combatants who gave up their rights as a POW by fighting unlawfully and against the Geneva conventions.

  • actually acording to the US supreme court in the case of Radam vs Rumsfeld on 2006 declared the term of enemy combatant stablish by Bush as invalid since violates Geneva convetions as well as the US constitution. According to the UDHR every prisoner has to fit in one of the following catergories. POW, Civilian, Medical personal Press anything other than that is fault

  • Weather they are babies yet is the matter under discussion so you cannot conclude of hand. The same is of these prisoners. The entire point is that they are not proven to be terrorists. Terrorism is also a ridiculous word. The bombing of civilians is one tactic of guerrilla warfare and is used for much of the same manner we bomb our enemies cities before attacking. So you agree with holding people for no proven reason as long as they are not American citizens?

  • If left to grow inside the womb the mother would give birth to a baby. What's so hard about that? Taking a the life of a child is murder. Period.

    I agree with holding people that have, or would, commit violence against Americans. I don't want to go out of my way to make sure enemies of this country are treated justly.

    Just recently a bunch of the folks in Gitmo wrote a letter that "they are terrorists to the bone". That's their words. Are you calling them ridiculous?

  • "If left to grow inside the womb the mother would give birth to a baby. What's so hard about that? Taking a the life of a child is murder. Period."

    First, you call it a baby.. claim it has a life, Then call it a child.. Its a god damn fetus, which happens to be part of the woman's body. Life begins at birth, go look up all definitions of the word. Fuck off with your rhetoric.

    And on gitmo- people being tortured will write whatever their captors tell them too.

  • Like I said, call it a child/baby or whatever you like. It's still murder no matter what you call it. Also, if life begins at birth, would you say it's okay to murder a full term nine month old child?

    Anyway, no need to be rude. Sometimes when someone tells you the truth about yourself it can make you angry. I understand that. Just try to be comfortable with your beliefs and forget what others have to say.

  • "It's still murder no matter what you call it." Oh, I guess my opinions don't matter then. Some god above came down and declared you the holy one to decide what is murder and what isn't. That you have the power to declare a fetus constitutionally protected life, even though its actually a woman's body.

    The courts are all wrong and your right because you are a man and have the right to tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies.

  • Well let's see. You said "life begins at birth". Now is that you opinion or is that a fact? Then, you blew off my question about aborting full term babies. Guess you didn't want to answer that one.

    Your opinion matters greatly. In your opinion, terrorists should have more rights then innocent unborn babies. As sick as that is, that's your opinion and it matters because that sick opinion prevails in a large part of our society. So yes, your disgusting opinion matters a lot.

  • Yes, that is a fact. Life begins at birth, go look up the definition of life. Every one says the same thing. That is not my opinion, that is the definition of the law, biology, and common sense.

    "In your opinion, terrorists should have more rights then innocent unborn babies." What is unborn? Did a delivered baby crawl back inside a women? Did you ever fucking consider the woman's rights?

    Why does your opinion matter more than a woman's? Why do you have one at all, its her damn body.

  • Yes, I have a problem aborting full term babies, I'm a man.

    You just can't get through your fucking head that your morality doesn't govern other peoples rights, freedom, privacy or liberty.

    The world is fucked up because people like you think simply because something upsets you, you have the god damn right to force your beliefs on others.

    Why don't YOU answer the question? do you think you have more right than the pregnant woman to enforce what she can or can't do with her own body?

  • no brainwave, I said I don't think a MAN should have an abortion because a MAN cannot get pregnant. You asking me if I think somebody else should have an abortion and my answer is that its none of my fucking business.

    Its the woman's choice, not mine.

    I'm sick of you trying to define it "murdering a child" as if I'm here saying "Its fine to murder a child" Its not a god damn child, moron. Its not fucking murder. As long as your delusional of it being a murdered child, of course its wrong.

  • You can say or feel whatever you want about abortion. Abortion is in my opinion unfortunate, sad and barbaric. But so is rape or a pregnant 12 year old.

    I think it is worse to tell some raped girl that because she was raped, she must carry the rapists baby 9 months and give birth too it. But that is irrelevant too; Its HER opinion that matters, not mine. No man could possibly understand a raped girl's perspective.

    What the fuck does any of this have to do with Gitmo prisoners?

  • Yes yes! A small group of cells! AKA for conservatives, a child.

    We pound fists right? That kills 5 cells! Murder! Murder!

  • Hey if you're in to murder that's cool...I guess.

  • NO ONE is for late term abortions, or abortions at all. No one trying to obtain a polictic postion says, "Let's increase abortions!" You are the same fuck that doesn't want any organization to teach or supply birth control, then you bitch about abortions. You are living in the stone age and you need to come out! I am against abortion, but I can not judge anyone who feels the need to have one. So, get off your high horse and educate yourself.

  • Oops, I mean political position.....

  • Well, you are either for late term abortions or you're not. Don't be ashamed of your choice, just call it what it is. You're not pro choice, you're pro abortion..simple.

    How do you know where I stand on birth control? Don't assume that you know everything about someone just because they have the position that abortion is murder.

  • I am against it! I am also against saying that my views are superior to anyone elses. That is the main problem with the Republicans, they can not distinguish between the two. Sorry, didn't mean to say YOU had a position on birth control, but most of the Republicans do not think it should be taught.

  • Well, you got it wrong again, I'm not a Republican either. i didn't vote republican in the last election.

  • Glad to hear it, another person out of the dark and in to the light! Congrats!

  • Well, voting for Democrats is just as bad.

  • You think voting for Obama was a step into the light? Holy crap have you even paid a small bit of attention to anything he's said?

  • I have paid attention to EVERYTHING President Obama has said. I tried to listen to bush, but that asshole couldn't put a complete sentence together, so it is much easier listening to President Obama. If you are talking about his speech at Notre Dame, he was wonderful. Roe v. Wade is the law right now, and if the Pro-Lifer's want to do something about it instead of just talking about it, over turn Roe v. Wade. Yak, Yak, Yak isn't going to cut it!

  • Ok I agree with you on Bush. He really wasn't all that great. At least he didn't need a teleprompter for every press conference or speech he gave. Obama wants to bankrupt the coal industry, the tobacco industry, the gun industry, and the alcohol industry. How many jobs do you think that is? On top of that, he is going back on his promise of stopping companies by outsourcing jobs by encouraging IBM to outsource jobs!

  • All Presidents need telepromters. Especially President Obama, he has so much going on because of the catistrophic cluster fuck left by bush, it is a wonder he can talk at all. bush should have used a teleprompter more. President Obama DOES NOT want to bankrupt those industries. bush wanted to bankrupt AMERICA, so if what you say is true, that wouldn't really be so bad.

  • No actually I have heard him say out of his own mouth that he wants to bankrupt those industries. So you're wrong there. and what wouldn't be that bad? The part where the government confiscates our guns and crime ravages the entire country or the part where North Korea and Iran bomb the shit out of us because we can't bomb back?

  • OMFG, are you actually saying the government is trying to take your guns away? You haven't listened to Eric Holder have you! A Republican from Texas asked Holder that question face to face. Holder had to bite his tongue not to laugh. Don't we have enough of bush's fuck ups to correct without overturning the 2nd amendment? Good God, the NRA has you so brainwashed you are all running out buying guns. The NRA knows how to market, I will give that too them, for chiz!

  • Ok so he hasn't said anything about it yet. But have you paid any attention to how he's voted for this crap? Also wasn't it an issue in the campaign? Why do you think that is? Also He's said he wants to raise taxes on ammunition 500% and close all gun stores within five miles of churches, schools, and parks.(this qualifies pretty much every gun store in America)

  • Also the Obama administration is blaming our gun stores for the Mexican Drug Cartels guns. Wouldn't that be a "good reason" to take our 2nd amendment right away? even if it's only "temporary?"

  • Number 1, the Obama administration IS NOT blaming gun stores. What they want to crack down on is the gun shows that allow gun purchases without the salesperson not even knowing the buyers name. As you can see by the vote yesterday, there are too many Democrats and Republicans that won't let that happen.

  • This is just the beginning. He's looking to reinstate an "assault weapons" ban. Also he got a handgun ban done in Illinois so he probably wants a federal gun ban. He's doing it gradually so people will not realize he's doing it.

  • You are sadly uneducated about this. The President can not do a thing about gun control. It is the Congress that can, so pay attention to what they are doing. Also pay close attention to our Attorney General Eric Holder. I am not sure how old you are, but this same shit happens EVERY time a Democrat is elected President. As the years go on, you will be laughing about this.

  • Ok. Agree to disagree on the gun control issue. What about all the other stuff I listed? You didn't have much of an answer for that.

  • Now THAT is a joke. Obama has openly said he wants to bankrupt those industries. And you still haven't defended nationalizing healthcare which is proven not to work. Go ahead and ask anybody from Canada or England. Nationalized healthcare = don't get sick. And what did Bush fuck up so bad? wasn't it our spending? So now we have to spend ten times as much to fix it? It's like fighting fire with fire. Literally.

  • Whatever you THINK President Obama said about BANKRUPTING an industry, your friend bush, DID bankrupt thousands of industries because of his lust for the oil companies. I am placing my money on President Obama. Nationalized heathcare? WTF?, we have that now. NO ONE can be turned down if they go to the emergency room, and then we act like a good socialized nation and pay for it, ya, you and me. So, if we don't somehow get everone insured, we will continue to have socialized medicine. WE DO NOW!

  • I'm not disagreeing with you that Bush bankrupted anything! He sucked! But the idea that spending money to fix a spending problem is retarded! Obama has this idea that if we drop our nuclear weapons and shake hands with (or bow to) all the dictators that everyone will see what a great bunch of people we are and will have no choice but to follow our example. HELLO!!! OBAMA WANTS US TO GET RID OF OUR