GROW UP ALL OF YOU,,,,YOUR GENERATION IS PITIFUL,,,FIGHTING OVER WORDS,,,TAKE AN EXAMPLE ON THE RED BARON,,,HE WAS LIKED BY FRIEND AND FOE,,,,,THIS COMES FROM A PRUSSIAN,,,,
@ black00dice..Captain Roy Brown was given credit for downing MvR, it's been pretty much proven (although not 100%) that an Aussie machine gunner, most likely Sergeant Cedric Popkin, was the guy that killed the Baron
The kill shot entered under the his right arm, went through his heart and exited just next to the nipple. Brown attacked from above, the only way he would have made that shot was if the Baron was banking hard to the left, something nobody has ever said he did, not even Brown.
@black00dice LOL "telling me off" are you ppl still saying that? LOL you didn't address the fact that I corrected your erroneous comment, I still asked a question that you continue to elude from. so....Ja, Sie sind ein Feigling. tschuss
@JRussoBuffaloNY i was talking about a conversation that happened way back, and not all canadians did fly udner the english roundel, u didn't correct m as i was talking to someone else that had nothing to do with flying roundels, so you should think before you type, it's easy calling someone a coward behind the safety of their keyboard isn't it?
@black00dice I doubt that the keyboard has any protective value due to it's weak structural integrity, 1000 miles distance or so would be more sensible a reason if that were it in the 1st place.
Flyboys was an all around better movie than Red Baron. The speciall effect really rock in both movies but i think in Flyboys are even better. Plus in Flyboys the director is better, the screenplay is better and the actor who plays the central character (james franco) is a better actor than the one that plays Richtofen
@panathatube soldiers in The Great War didn't speak,behave, or have the dialect & accent to their voices as these present day actors. Society as a whole was completely different at that time, attitudes,rationale,moralitypersona,demeanor etc. people were more respectable & cared about their appearence. they didn't leave the house looking shabby wearing sweat, pantst-shirts, creepy sandals with nasty feet & piss poor hygeine for a glorious saturday evening at wal-mart.
Here is a video interview of gunther Rall,a luftwaffe ace who explains what it takes to be an ace, you cannot judge the valor of an ace by his score, but through a context and longevity.explanation @ 1:00min"this is the comment you had removed? anyways I was not judging their valor but skill based upon score,kills,victories etc. Hartmann was the Greatest, he had 352 kills from 1941-45, amazingly astonishing.
Well eventhough it is impressive,Hartman's score is not realy astonishing considering, the number of missions he did. in fact his Kill/sortie ratio is not that high, it is lower than Rall's for instance. if you've looked at the vid i posted, Rall explains that they had no problem finding targets, and Russians pilot where confined to strict procedures which were not that effective in terms of survival. for example, they flew tight formations, the Germans did not.
@1985quentin furthermore, whom did I judge? why can someone not judge if they choose to? is that by your authority or someone in an actual position of this "authority"? longevity,hmmmm? in what sense? no matter how u look at it German aces are the best ,longevity & perseverance ok 352 kills then imprisonment after his monumental survival of the war Hartmann,Hans Ulrich Rudel,Eder,Hackl,Galland etc. what did the french acheive in WW2's air war. calaborationism?
terribly sorry, but this message was not meant for you exclusively, but their was a glitch with the posting, this is why i removed it and posted it back afterwards as a message by itself ;)
On the way of recognizing an ace, we obviously disagree then, and i don't mind. But what Rall tells in his interview, convinces me that scoring isn't all, these aces Hartman, Rall, Barkhorn, where aces because considering the number of missions they flew, and the kills they made, they managed to survive!
Eventhough i am french, i can only admit that the vichy regime is responsible for collaboration, and i am not proud of that at all. i am not interested as to where you come from, for i do not want to start arguing on what your country did or didn't do, that you could be ashamed of.
nevertheless, look up what the free French did, in Russia with the Normandie Niemen squadron, in england as well...as in africa.
look up pierre Closterman, who is france's WW2 top ace, who flew from 1942 to 1945 (European front), shooting down 33aircraft, 5probable 23aircrafts on the ground 5 anrmored vehicles 225vehicles 72locomotives 2ships. this within 600h of wartime flight.
in comparison US's top ace Richard Bong shot down 40 (japanese) aircrafts
US's top ace in Europe was Francis Gabreski with 28kills.
in this regard, saying that the only thing france achieved in WW2 was collaboration, is purely false.
@1985quentin btw if he flew for france from 42 - 45 he was vichy, a collaborationist. he should have been tried for treason against the RF Republic of France. so ,it is not false that he was a collaborator. what did he fly a dewoitine,bloch or morane saulnier with vichy markings? you blithering fool. wow 28 kills for a u.s. pilot, whoooppeee. Hartmann achieved his first kill at the end of 1942 in Oct, so this means he had 352 kills in only 30 months. unreal, & this will never be equaled.
@JRussoBuffaloNY negativ!!LOL! the vichy airforce was dismantled by the Germans in "1942" after the allied landings in north africa ;)LOL. Who is the fool? Closterman joined the RAF as a Free French flying spitfires and Hawker tempest in Both FreeFrench and RAF squadrons.;).
I do not want to diminish the versatility of Hartman, all i was saying is you cannot judge the value of an ace only through his score. In my own opinion G. Rall was a far greater combat pilot than Hartman.
@1985quentin you really know your history let us be friends instead of being in opposition. after reading about Closterman I do have much respect for him. So I apologize for being difficult.
the problem i think with the second world war, is that it is often dealt with through a memory point of view (implying passion, trauma, emotions), and often lacks the objectivity or insensitivity required for a purely factual, historical exploration.
Here is a video interview of gunther Rall, a luftwaffe ace who explains what it takes to be an ace, you cannot judge the valor of an ace by his score, but through a context and longevity. explanation @ 1:00min /watch?v=STFdRrWBW2w
Rene Fonck the French ace was the best pilot of WW1. He has 75 credited planes shot down and only 1 bullet ever even touched his plane, unlike the Red Baron which was killed. Rene Fonck might even have over 100 planes shot down, but some of the claims are uncomfirmed with no wittnesses.
@willamWallace77 Well Fonck had over 125 planes shot down, but they couldnt be confirmed becasue he fought over Germany and he downed airplanes over Germany that couldnt be confirmed. Plus Red Baron fought in his squad for 22 months while Fonck only fought in his squad for 18 months, had Fonck fought 22 months like Red Baron he would have easily had over 100 confirmed kills. Red Baron was good but Fonck was Great
@Triplethreat99 you can go to & fro about this fonck & Richtofen debate but fonck was a braggart & no one liked him as they admired Guynemer, he was a gentleman a true knight as were the Prussians.
@JRussoBuffaloNY Its true that he didint capture the hearts of the French people like Guynemer, still doesnt changr the fact that he was the best dogfighter of WW1
@Triplethreat99 the red baron had many unconfirmed kills to and he was buried by the enemy with full military honors and a amazing funeral even if fonck had more kills he will not be remembered as long as the red baron the red baron painted his plane red so the enemy pilots would not be surprised and the fight would be fair fonck did not the red baron was an honorable man and a gentlemen and was regarded by both sides as honorable fonck was not
@willamWallace77 Fonck was not regarded as not being honorable, he was cocky , yes, but he respected his enemies and his allies. PLus you should study your history a little bit better. Red Baron didi not paint his airplane red so that it would be a fair fight, in his own journal the Red Baron wrote that he painted it red for no particular reason, he clearly stated that the idea came out of nowhere. It wasnt so that the fight could be honorabe, you been watching to many movies my friend
@Triplethreat99 calm down! if fonck was the best how comes that fucking no one knows that guy but everyone knows the red baron? you have to remind that germany lost the war so it wasn't the germans who told everybody that their guy was the number one.
@bizarrrr Everyone knows Red Baron because of snoopy. Thats a well known fact, its sad but true. Even Red Baron biographys admit that the reason that the Red Baron is so well known is becasue of snoopy cartoons and comics, not really becasue of his air exploits.
@bizarrrr Read a little to find out the facts, Red Barons own Journal book titled- red Baron: Manfred Von Richthofen. edited by Stanley Ulanoff had this to say, and i QUOTE, " Today because of that cartoon character (snoopy), the red Baron has become a household name, but there are few who really knew who he was, for that matter, if he even existed." ( pgxvii) Like I said he is well known becasue of a cartoon, not because of his exploits, Rene Fonck was a much better dogfighter
@bizarrrr he was in the cartoon because even every child in the usa knew him. the theory that he became famous because of snoopy is the silliest claim i've ever heard. further more every pilot had unconfirmed air-victories. let me pull something out of mass: i think that the red baron not only shot down several airplanes but he also sunk the titanic and destroyed the death star. who's better now?
@bizarrrr It might be silly , but it doesnt change the fact that that is the main reason he is so well known. The people that wrote those books have over 20 years studying those ww1 dogfighting extensively, I doubt that you have the same experience. Learn to accept the truth as it is, even if you dont like it
@Triplethreat99 with all respect! i do not beleieve that the red baron was only a comic book character! everyone knows that he lived. why is that a wrong opinion?
I saw Flyboys, I thought that was a good movie. However I have to respond to one complaint that JFKFlevoland made. He was griping about The "Americanizing of history." FKFlevoland, Flyboys is about an AMERICAN volunteer unit that flew for the French during the first World War; so the movie is EXPECTED to be told from that vantage point. Likewise when I see The Red Baron, I would expect the story to be told from that view point.
Cinematicly speaking I think Red Baron was a flawed movie, that jumps from scene to scene too quickly, telling the story in a hurried, clumsy way. Flyboys is more competently made in that regard, but it represents everything I hate about Hollywood warmovies: Americanization of history, demonizing the enemy, all the war, buddy and love story clichés. Red Baron shows more respect to history.
So while I think Flyboys is technically speaking a better film, my sympathy goes to the Baron.
I recently saw Flyboys, and it was decent enough, if a bit Hollywood-ized.
I haven't seen a copy of The Red Baron here in the US though, but I haven't looked everywhere. Is it for sale here, and are there at least English subtitles?
Richtofen wasn't the crybaby which the movie shows. Plus, Hawker resemble a drunkyard. He was a very gallant hero, and not flying that idiotic SE5a with that stupid pic on.
We are in the ubertechnology era, why they could not depict decently the planes. The movie is horrible. PAX.
and the Red Baron...terrible...the Germans tried to stick some wishywashy, metro-sexual philosopher from a coffee house of the ninties/two thousands into a WWI warplane...total left-wing, green party garbage...
Dude you really need to shut up. You obsviously know nothing about World war 1 or World war 1 aviation, so you shouldn't be watching these kind of movies. The Red Baron had the most kills out of both sides and was the most recognized ace of his time. He was claimed a hero and still is to Germans to this day. And Flyboys is about the first American squadron to fly the Nieuport 17. They also made history. If you don't like these movies then don't watch them....
...you missed the point. The Red Baron is/was a great hero and fighter plane pilot. What happened to his story in the movie is decrepted. If he were alive today, he be watching it and throwing up. He has been mis-charakterized in a perverted way. C'mon...you've got to see this! "Flyboys"...give me a break. Again, the historical events/persons have nothing to do with the movie. They are at best modern clowns placed in a WWI setting. The interpredation of both stories is philosophically ill-gotten
How is the red baron being mis-characterized in a perverted way? Flyboys was pretty bad but what I don't understand is what you said about the Red Baron I think and the critics think that the story in the red baron is beautifully described.
What the hell do you mean? First of all Kills is what every pilot was all over in World war 1. Secondlt EVERY pilot on both sides of World war 1 wanted to be the best of the aces. Finally the Red Baron did have 80 Kills and wanted to be the first of the aces. That's what they called it back then buddy, Kills.
@pharoah246 he flew to shoot down planes, not kill. I know that sounds wierd but it's true, he regarded the whole thing as like a sport that is why he didnt overkill like many other planes did, he damaged the plane enough so it would be out of combat then moved on to his next victim.
@Ricadani What a load of bullcrap. The Red Baron was famous for circling around and killing pilots who crawled out of downed aircraft. He would even land next to them and collect "trophies" for his wall (insurments from the enemy's panel, their goggles, their scarves, eta). In addition, back then EVERY pilot aimed for the man, not the machine. It was the quickest way to bring down an aircraft. Which is squishier, an engine block, or a human torso?
@Ricadani It's not copy pasting, its the truth. I admire the Red Baron a great deal, but there's really no good in glorifying him. War is war, it's brutal and unpleasant. Go and check the Red Baron's kills for yourself and see how many of them were shot down in a nice and gentlemanly way.
@kkriegg most of the kills of the red baron were due to the crash and not because of the bullets, of course he got to kill some men but, hey, you said it it was a bloody war, but he acctually intended to shot down the plane to fight again with the same pilot.
Ricadni is right that he flew only to damage the next plane enough to bring it down and that he aimed for the plane, but he didn´t move on to the next victim because there werent such he even gets to talk to one of the pilots that he shot down, also becasue in only few occasion he got to shot down two planes in the same day mostly did one in a mission and he landed to see if the plane was going to be in his victories. also what he didnt collected trofies those were to see whom he had shot down
my fav is when you get someone so dumb that they think Richtofen was a Nazi because of the iron cross lol how stupid are these ppl, the iron cross goes back to 1813 when there were no Nazi's till 1919 ppl can be so judgemental and misinformed
@carnage2681 right right right, but as you can clearly see I was speaking of the Eisernes Kreuz 1st & 2nd class. I am well aware of the Teutonic order & the Cross Pattee' (Tatzenkreuz) they wore upon their breast. Danke
I agree, you cannot be thrust into 1917 you must reseach, americans did not speak or act at that time like they do now. the whole modern arrogance and sarcastic,cynical shite won't hold. just listen to the real recording of eddie rickenbacker listen to his awesome vocabulary and his demeanor his true pressence. he had class ppl today have no clue and they will prob rate my commentary poorly but it is only because of their misunderstanding for the past. arrogance,ignorance but that is todays usa
...it is very unfortunate that one must agree. You are right. There is very little class left in modern American society. Even our so-called high society has suscribed to filth and ill-gotten morales. Hence, the movie fabrication. The actors in Flyboys have to do lines similarly coarse as to the ones found in "Transformers". The movie industry which is a reflection of our society and must sell their products to that same society in order to survive is at the beginning of a social downward spiral
@Hundedox no class in any society these days the uk is getting just as bad as the us our kids morals are getting lower and lower by the year. And i can probably say with certainty thats worldwide the youth now gets away with so much and have everything pretty much handed to them they have gotten spoilt rotten
the "red baron" flew albatross to start with and when he became ecceptional he had the new focker dr 3 converted to his specification so no other plane in the skies was anything like the red barons focker
What is this I just saw here?... All Fokkers painted in RED? ... That is so wrong! by the way they had squads which they called JASTA , I think Von Richthofen commanded 4 or 5 JASTAS at the same time and they where named as The Flying Circus because of their plane colors, not all pilots used Fokkers they used Albatros D.III planes as well.
more efficient and more powerfull engines able to compensate for more weight in the form of steel, weaponry, hydraulics and bombs yet also allowing for much higher speeds and more frame stressing manuvers ... so ya, quite different. ;)
Yeah well I'm not sure about that but I do know that the plane the Americans and French fly is a Nieuport 17 and this film is on the right track with its color scheme.
But personally I'm more of a fan of Erich Hartmann, the World War 2 German pilot who scored 352 confirmed kills, the most ever scored by any fighter pilot in the history of the world. He doesn't get the recognition he deserves. Will the Black Tulip ever get a movie of his own?
no one can be comparer with the Red Baron. doesn't mind what they have done, no one like Red Baron !!!!! a really true hero and great person .......him won the respect even among his enemies , when him died the English Army gave him a property bury (even wen him Knock down 80 English aircrafts ), just few men can get it !!!!!! comparer flyboys with Red Baron it cannot be in the same world !!!!!! is just they cannot be in the same level !!!! THE RED BARON IS A LEGEND !!!!!
How come in Flyboys, there is a whole bunch of red triplanes? I didnt see it.
I saw TRB. I was disappointed. The love story stuff ruined it because so much more dogfighting scenes couldve been shown. Movie makers need to realize that when people go to see a movie like this, 90% of them want to see... DOGFIGHTING!
I mean, they leave out the last flight of Voss AND the Baron?? Thats ridiculous. I know its not about Voss but its a historical moment. How could they pass that opportunity? Jees!
They explained the Red Triplans in the Special Features of Flyboys. They said they just made all the German planes Red, and Triplanes so It was easier to distinguish between the French and Germans.
i believe it's because Manfred AKA T.R.B. controlled Jasta I which was also know as the flying circus. this was due to the fact that most pilots brightly painted their planes.
it seems a good movie... we should all see it because it implies history and love.. so .. see it. and please ... give me a 5 star rate to my only video because i m on a contest to go to usa.. 10x
Same problems as pearl harbor in my opinion. A love story got crowbar'd into it. But the same thing that made me like pearl harbor. the amazingly done dogfight scenes.
no one can be comparer with the Red Baron. doesn't mind what they have done, no one like Red Baron !!!!! a really true hero and great person .......him won the respect even among his enemies , when him died the English Army gave him a property bury (even wen him Knock down 80 English aircrafts ), just few men can get it !!!!!! comparer flyboys with Red Baron it cannot be in the same world !!!!!! is just they cannot be in the same level !!!! THE RED BARON IS A LEGEND !!!!!
Too much Hollywood, not enough battle? If I were making such a movie, it would be out the pilots eyes, walking up in the freezing morning in dawn, getting dressed, getting out in the cold, cranking up a tempermental death trap wings and wires, getting oil in his face, freezing, the long distance, the boredom, and the sudden terror, the heavy breathing, the hand he looks down at after touching his chest covered in blood, the spiral downward, the crunch, the white light, the hospital bed if lucky
The problem with at least Red Baron movie is that it makes everything seem so easy... the boys are just joking all the time like it's a fucking game and the movie doesn't seem to take itself seriously.
you should relearn your world war 1 history, world war 1 was horride yes but it was still one of the last true gentelmens war because if an enemy was able to get even within 5 feet of the enemy trench they would stop firing and let him get what he wants. then let him go back to his trench before they went back at it
the last gentleman's war? It isn't really gentalmanly to dig a tunnel under the enemies trench and blow it up, killing everyone, or to use poison gas to clear the enemy position.
from what one of the survivors from world war 1 told me was when you got close enough to the enemy trench they would stop shooting they all would shake jand and after alittle while continue the fight, on christmas almost every year they would have a soccer match with germany vs who every they where fighting in the trenches in front of them
Actually,it was only the christmas of 1914 that both sides came out and played soccer.After 1914,there were not many large scale "get togethers."During the Battle of the Somme,since the British were not told what to do with POW's,many German Pow's were executed.
In Turkey, you had a genocide going against the Armenians.
I agree near the begining,there were some gentalmanly activites, but as the war continued,there were less and less humanity shown on both sides.
GROW UP ALL OF YOU,,,,YOUR GENERATION IS PITIFUL,,,FIGHTING OVER WORDS,,,TAKE AN EXAMPLE ON THE RED BARON,,,HE WAS LIKED BY FRIEND AND FOE,,,,,THIS COMES FROM A PRUSSIAN,,,,
41gisela 4 months ago
@41gisela not liked per se, but respected and revered. Like today our Armor and Cav follow Rommels teachings
MontezumaUH60 1 month ago
Just adding a music bed over a movie trailer isn't making a video... Gotta give it a "dislike"...
SSGDragonSoldier 7 months ago
Beautiful song.
Caldeth 7 months ago
@ black00dice..Captain Roy Brown was given credit for downing MvR, it's been pretty much proven (although not 100%) that an Aussie machine gunner, most likely Sergeant Cedric Popkin, was the guy that killed the Baron
The kill shot entered under the his right arm, went through his heart and exited just next to the nipple. Brown attacked from above, the only way he would have made that shot was if the Baron was banking hard to the left, something nobody has ever said he did, not even Brown.
SSGDragonSoldier 10 months ago
The music ruined it for me... Sorry man...
SSGDragonSoldier 10 months ago
Funny, i thought it was a Canadian pilot who shot him down?, or is this hollywood high on crack again?
black00dice 10 months ago
@black00dice what's ur point, Canadians flew under English roundels, right or wrong?
JRussoBuffaloNY 10 months ago
@JRussoBuffaloNY you idiot, u went totally of subject
black00dice 9 months ago
@black00dice I didn't make a statement I asked a question, wtf? don't you know how to spell, fiegling schwarzer?
JRussoBuffaloNY 9 months ago
@JRussoBuffaloNY so im a coward..?something? because this is the internet and you're telling me off for a spelling mistake?
black00dice 9 months ago
@black00dice LOL "telling me off" are you ppl still saying that? LOL you didn't address the fact that I corrected your erroneous comment, I still asked a question that you continue to elude from. so....Ja, Sie sind ein Feigling. tschuss
JRussoBuffaloNY 9 months ago
@JRussoBuffaloNY i was talking about a conversation that happened way back, and not all canadians did fly udner the english roundel, u didn't correct m as i was talking to someone else that had nothing to do with flying roundels, so you should think before you type, it's easy calling someone a coward behind the safety of their keyboard isn't it?
black00dice 9 months ago
@black00dice I doubt that the keyboard has any protective value due to it's weak structural integrity, 1000 miles distance or so would be more sensible a reason if that were it in the 1st place.
JRussoBuffaloNY 9 months ago
@JRussoBuffaloNY or that too
black00dice 9 months ago
@black00dice dummy, you were proven wrong.....AGAIN
JRussoBuffaloNY 9 months ago
@JRussoBuffaloNY It wasn't an american
black00dice 9 months ago
@black00dice uh.....no shit.
JRussoBuffaloNY 9 months ago
@JRussoBuffaloNY @JRussoBuffaloNY ur profile say's ur 29, so stop bawling like a child
black00dice 9 months ago
i love flyboys :D
havent seen rthe red baron yet
pk1v3ngeance 1 year ago
Flyboys SUCKED
LaughingMage 1 year ago
@LaughingMage whhhat? why?
danceoncommand1 1 year ago
looks like the band of brother only is this in the air
swgger53 1 year ago
great film, first-class machines, in the memory of all pilots of the I.Weltkrieges.
warbirds-power.de
ColaWhiski 1 year ago
can anyone tell me the name of the song please?
great video.
Nebelkrieg 1 year ago
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1985quentin 1 year ago
Flyboys was an all around better movie than Red Baron. The speciall effect really rock in both movies but i think in Flyboys are even better. Plus in Flyboys the director is better, the screenplay is better and the actor who plays the central character (james franco) is a better actor than the one that plays Richtofen
panathatube 1 year ago
@panathatube soldiers in The Great War didn't speak,behave, or have the dialect & accent to their voices as these present day actors. Society as a whole was completely different at that time, attitudes,rationale,moralitypersona,demeanor etc. people were more respectable & cared about their appearence. they didn't leave the house looking shabby wearing sweat, pantst-shirts, creepy sandals with nasty feet & piss poor hygeine for a glorious saturday evening at wal-mart.
JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
Why are almost all modern movies cast with characterless and charisma-less punks?
Zebred2001 1 year ago
here is a video interview of gunther rall explaining what it took to be an ace... skip to 1:00min
youtube.com/watch?v=STFdRrWBW2w
1985quentin 1 year ago
@1985quentin "1985quentin
@JRussoBuffaloNY
Here is a video interview of gunther Rall,a luftwaffe ace who explains what it takes to be an ace, you cannot judge the valor of an ace by his score, but through a context and longevity.explanation @ 1:00min"this is the comment you had removed? anyways I was not judging their valor but skill based upon score,kills,victories etc. Hartmann was the Greatest, he had 352 kills from 1941-45, amazingly astonishing.
JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
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1985quentin 1 year ago
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Well eventhough it is impressive,Hartman's score is not realy astonishing considering, the number of missions he did. in fact his Kill/sortie ratio is not that high, it is lower than Rall's for instance. if you've looked at the vid i posted, Rall explains that they had no problem finding targets, and Russians pilot where confined to strict procedures which were not that effective in terms of survival. for example, they flew tight formations, the Germans did not.
1985quentin 1 year ago
@1985quentin furthermore, whom did I judge? why can someone not judge if they choose to? is that by your authority or someone in an actual position of this "authority"? longevity,hmmmm? in what sense? no matter how u look at it German aces are the best ,longevity & perseverance ok 352 kills then imprisonment after his monumental survival of the war Hartmann,Hans Ulrich Rudel,Eder,Hackl,Galland etc. what did the french acheive in WW2's air war. calaborationism?
JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
terribly sorry, but this message was not meant for you exclusively, but their was a glitch with the posting, this is why i removed it and posted it back afterwards as a message by itself ;)
On the way of recognizing an ace, we obviously disagree then, and i don't mind. But what Rall tells in his interview, convinces me that scoring isn't all, these aces Hartman, Rall, Barkhorn, where aces because considering the number of missions they flew, and the kills they made, they managed to survive!
1985quentin 1 year ago
Eventhough i am french, i can only admit that the vichy regime is responsible for collaboration, and i am not proud of that at all. i am not interested as to where you come from, for i do not want to start arguing on what your country did or didn't do, that you could be ashamed of.
nevertheless, look up what the free French did, in Russia with the Normandie Niemen squadron, in england as well...as in africa.
1985quentin 1 year ago
look up pierre Closterman, who is france's WW2 top ace, who flew from 1942 to 1945 (European front), shooting down 33aircraft, 5probable 23aircrafts on the ground 5 anrmored vehicles 225vehicles 72locomotives 2ships. this within 600h of wartime flight.
in comparison US's top ace Richard Bong shot down 40 (japanese) aircrafts
US's top ace in Europe was Francis Gabreski with 28kills.
in this regard, saying that the only thing france achieved in WW2 was collaboration, is purely false.
1985quentin 1 year ago
@1985quentin btw if he flew for france from 42 - 45 he was vichy, a collaborationist. he should have been tried for treason against the RF Republic of France. so ,it is not false that he was a collaborator. what did he fly a dewoitine,bloch or morane saulnier with vichy markings? you blithering fool. wow 28 kills for a u.s. pilot, whoooppeee. Hartmann achieved his first kill at the end of 1942 in Oct, so this means he had 352 kills in only 30 months. unreal, & this will never be equaled.
JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
@JRussoBuffaloNY negativ!!LOL! the vichy airforce was dismantled by the Germans in "1942" after the allied landings in north africa ;)LOL. Who is the fool? Closterman joined the RAF as a Free French flying spitfires and Hawker tempest in Both FreeFrench and RAF squadrons.;).
I do not want to diminish the versatility of Hartman, all i was saying is you cannot judge the value of an ace only through his score. In my own opinion G. Rall was a far greater combat pilot than Hartman.
1985quentin 1 year ago
@1985quentin you really know your history let us be friends instead of being in opposition. after reading about Closterman I do have much respect for him. So I apologize for being difficult.
Tschuß!
JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
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1985quentin 1 year ago
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1985quentin 1 year ago
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@JRussoBuffaloNY
apologies accepted.
History is a complicated thing.
the problem i think with the second world war, is that it is often dealt with through a memory point of view (implying passion, trauma, emotions), and often lacks the objectivity or insensitivity required for a purely factual, historical exploration.
Keep reading all !!!:)
1985quentin 1 year ago
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JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
@1985quentin collaborationism?
JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
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Here is a video interview of gunther Rall, a luftwaffe ace who explains what it takes to be an ace, you cannot judge the valor of an ace by his score, but through a context and longevity. explanation @ 1:00min /watch?v=STFdRrWBW2w
1985quentin 1 year ago
whats the name of the song
willamWallace77 1 year ago
stpidest movie ever, i thought it was going to be a fun good detialed movie when it was total American typical crap!
KrazzyKan 1 year ago
Red baron est plus cohérent. Aussi bien dans le dogfight et paysage que dans la mentalité et la morale.
VietnamAirForce 1 year ago
I think this is Lafayette Escadrille.
norb1937 1 year ago
th3t4rg3t what kind of shite username is that you faggot
pretorian33 1 year ago
gayyest song EVER FAGGOT
TH3T4RG3T 1 year ago
Rene Fonck the French ace was the best pilot of WW1. He has 75 credited planes shot down and only 1 bullet ever even touched his plane, unlike the Red Baron which was killed. Rene Fonck might even have over 100 planes shot down, but some of the claims are uncomfirmed with no wittnesses.
Triplethreat99 1 year ago
@Triplethreat99 no the red baron was the top he had over 83 planes shot down several war balloons and also unrecorded
willamWallace77 1 year ago
@willamWallace77 Well Fonck had over 125 planes shot down, but they couldnt be confirmed becasue he fought over Germany and he downed airplanes over Germany that couldnt be confirmed. Plus Red Baron fought in his squad for 22 months while Fonck only fought in his squad for 18 months, had Fonck fought 22 months like Red Baron he would have easily had over 100 confirmed kills. Red Baron was good but Fonck was Great
Triplethreat99 1 year ago
@Triplethreat99 you can go to & fro about this fonck & Richtofen debate but fonck was a braggart & no one liked him as they admired Guynemer, he was a gentleman a true knight as were the Prussians.
JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
@JRussoBuffaloNY Its true that he didint capture the hearts of the French people like Guynemer, still doesnt changr the fact that he was the best dogfighter of WW1
Triplethreat99 1 year ago
@Triplethreat99 I respect Fonck for his acheivments, but he was an embellisher & braggart so idk, I still believe Herr Richtofen had 100+ victories.
JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
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1985quentin 1 year ago
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1985quentin 1 year ago
@Triplethreat99 *achievements
JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
@Triplethreat99 the red baron had many unconfirmed kills to and he was buried by the enemy with full military honors and a amazing funeral even if fonck had more kills he will not be remembered as long as the red baron the red baron painted his plane red so the enemy pilots would not be surprised and the fight would be fair fonck did not the red baron was an honorable man and a gentlemen and was regarded by both sides as honorable fonck was not
willamWallace77 1 year ago
@willamWallace77 Fonck was not regarded as not being honorable, he was cocky , yes, but he respected his enemies and his allies. PLus you should study your history a little bit better. Red Baron didi not paint his airplane red so that it would be a fair fight, in his own journal the Red Baron wrote that he painted it red for no particular reason, he clearly stated that the idea came out of nowhere. It wasnt so that the fight could be honorabe, you been watching to many movies my friend
Triplethreat99 1 year ago
@Triplethreat99 calm down! if fonck was the best how comes that fucking no one knows that guy but everyone knows the red baron? you have to remind that germany lost the war so it wasn't the germans who told everybody that their guy was the number one.
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@bizarrrr Everyone knows Red Baron because of snoopy. Thats a well known fact, its sad but true. Even Red Baron biographys admit that the reason that the Red Baron is so well known is becasue of snoopy cartoons and comics, not really becasue of his air exploits.
Triplethreat99 1 year ago
@bizarrrr Read a little to find out the facts, Red Barons own Journal book titled- red Baron: Manfred Von Richthofen. edited by Stanley Ulanoff had this to say, and i QUOTE, " Today because of that cartoon character (snoopy), the red Baron has become a household name, but there are few who really knew who he was, for that matter, if he even existed." ( pgxvii) Like I said he is well known becasue of a cartoon, not because of his exploits, Rene Fonck was a much better dogfighter
Triplethreat99 1 year ago
@bizarrrr he was in the cartoon because even every child in the usa knew him. the theory that he became famous because of snoopy is the silliest claim i've ever heard. further more every pilot had unconfirmed air-victories. let me pull something out of mass: i think that the red baron not only shot down several airplanes but he also sunk the titanic and destroyed the death star. who's better now?
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@bizarrrr It might be silly , but it doesnt change the fact that that is the main reason he is so well known. The people that wrote those books have over 20 years studying those ww1 dogfighting extensively, I doubt that you have the same experience. Learn to accept the truth as it is, even if you dont like it
Triplethreat99 1 year ago
@Triplethreat99 accept the truth? these are just opinions and of course i accept the point of view of other people but why should i share it?
bizarrrr 1 year ago
@bizarrrr Its a free country, if you want to maintain a wrong opinion its up to you
Triplethreat99 1 year ago
@Triplethreat99 with all respect! i do not beleieve that the red baron was only a comic book character! everyone knows that he lived. why is that a wrong opinion?
bizarrrr 1 year ago
I'd love to see the red baron kill all the little faggots in flyboys
fuck that movie
Ironzealot7531 1 year ago 11
@Ironzealot7531 Especially the one from Africa!!!
Poopingbotham 5 months ago
what the fuck was up with the shitty music?
BananaBreakable 1 year ago
I saw Flyboys, I thought that was a good movie. However I have to respond to one complaint that JFKFlevoland made. He was griping about The "Americanizing of history." FKFlevoland, Flyboys is about an AMERICAN volunteer unit that flew for the French during the first World War; so the movie is EXPECTED to be told from that vantage point. Likewise when I see The Red Baron, I would expect the story to be told from that view point.
mpnemeth 1 year ago
Cinematicly speaking I think Red Baron was a flawed movie, that jumps from scene to scene too quickly, telling the story in a hurried, clumsy way. Flyboys is more competently made in that regard, but it represents everything I hate about Hollywood warmovies: Americanization of history, demonizing the enemy, all the war, buddy and love story clichés. Red Baron shows more respect to history.
So while I think Flyboys is technically speaking a better film, my sympathy goes to the Baron.
JFKFlevoland 1 year ago
My winner is the Red Baron movie.
Limpmania 1 year ago
fuck fly boys long live red baron
cenkcez 1 year ago
Flyboys was very innacurate, but the important thing is that it was entertaining.
(The Fokker Dr.I and Nieuport never met in battle)
DonTheCritic 1 year ago
There were however several other things in it that were very accurate.
Petersworld518 1 year ago
What's with the music?
w5cdt 1 year ago
I recently saw Flyboys, and it was decent enough, if a bit Hollywood-ized.
I haven't seen a copy of The Red Baron here in the US though, but I haven't looked everywhere. Is it for sale here, and are there at least English subtitles?
SchlossRitter 2 years ago
The Red Baron was recorded entirely in English.
Cactus32 2 years ago
Ah, thanks.
SchlossRitter 2 years ago
@SchlossRitter I think it comes out in the US June 1st
kkriegg 1 year ago
@kkriegg
Nice. I had about given up hope that the movie would ever come out over here. Now I can possibly get my hands on a copy to check it out.
SchlossRitter 1 year ago
Richtofen wasn't the crybaby which the movie shows. Plus, Hawker resemble a drunkyard. He was a very gallant hero, and not flying that idiotic SE5a with that stupid pic on.
We are in the ubertechnology era, why they could not depict decently the planes. The movie is horrible. PAX.
zifnow 2 years ago 3
...Flyboys sucked so bad...
and the Red Baron...terrible...the Germans tried to stick some wishywashy, metro-sexual philosopher from a coffee house of the ninties/two thousands into a WWI warplane...total left-wing, green party garbage...
Hundedox 2 years ago
Dude you really need to shut up. You obsviously know nothing about World war 1 or World war 1 aviation, so you shouldn't be watching these kind of movies. The Red Baron had the most kills out of both sides and was the most recognized ace of his time. He was claimed a hero and still is to Germans to this day. And Flyboys is about the first American squadron to fly the Nieuport 17. They also made history. If you don't like these movies then don't watch them....
pharoah246 2 years ago
...you missed the point. The Red Baron is/was a great hero and fighter plane pilot. What happened to his story in the movie is decrepted. If he were alive today, he be watching it and throwing up. He has been mis-charakterized in a perverted way. C'mon...you've got to see this! "Flyboys"...give me a break. Again, the historical events/persons have nothing to do with the movie. They are at best modern clowns placed in a WWI setting. The interpredation of both stories is philosophically ill-gotten
Hundedox 2 years ago 2
How is the red baron being mis-characterized in a perverted way? Flyboys was pretty bad but what I don't understand is what you said about the Red Baron I think and the critics think that the story in the red baron is beautifully described.
pharoah246 2 years ago
Most kills, rofl, wake up dude, this isen't counter-strike.
rickardny 2 years ago
What the hell do you mean? First of all Kills is what every pilot was all over in World war 1. Secondlt EVERY pilot on both sides of World war 1 wanted to be the best of the aces. Finally the Red Baron did have 80 Kills and wanted to be the first of the aces. That's what they called it back then buddy, Kills.
PS I don't play Counter strike.
pharoah246 2 years ago
Well you sure talk as if it was Counter-strike
Red baron 80 kills 1 death, rank 1 ? rofl, g33k.
rickardny 2 years ago
Thats how they did it back then.You wanna complain talk to The Red Baron next time you get a chance, I'm sure he'll listen.
pharoah246 2 years ago
Lol will do if i get a chance mate
rickardny 2 years ago
@pharoah246 he flew to shoot down planes, not kill. I know that sounds wierd but it's true, he regarded the whole thing as like a sport that is why he didnt overkill like many other planes did, he damaged the plane enough so it would be out of combat then moved on to his next victim.
Ricadani 1 year ago
@Ricadani I already knew that.
pharoah246 1 year ago
@Ricadani What a load of bullcrap. The Red Baron was famous for circling around and killing pilots who crawled out of downed aircraft. He would even land next to them and collect "trophies" for his wall (insurments from the enemy's panel, their goggles, their scarves, eta). In addition, back then EVERY pilot aimed for the man, not the machine. It was the quickest way to bring down an aircraft. Which is squishier, an engine block, or a human torso?
kkriegg 1 year ago
@kkriegg Nice copy pasting from some biased, uninformed article.
Ricadani 1 year ago
@Ricadani It's not copy pasting, its the truth. I admire the Red Baron a great deal, but there's really no good in glorifying him. War is war, it's brutal and unpleasant. Go and check the Red Baron's kills for yourself and see how many of them were shot down in a nice and gentlemanly way.
kkriegg 1 year ago
@kkriegg most of the kills of the red baron were due to the crash and not because of the bullets, of course he got to kill some men but, hey, you said it it was a bloody war, but he acctually intended to shot down the plane to fight again with the same pilot.
Rstarfari 1 year ago
Ricadni is right that he flew only to damage the next plane enough to bring it down and that he aimed for the plane, but he didn´t move on to the next victim because there werent such he even gets to talk to one of the pilots that he shot down, also becasue in only few occasion he got to shot down two planes in the same day mostly did one in a mission and he landed to see if the plane was going to be in his victories. also what he didnt collected trofies those were to see whom he had shot down
Rstarfari 1 year ago
my fav is when you get someone so dumb that they think Richtofen was a Nazi because of the iron cross lol how stupid are these ppl, the iron cross goes back to 1813 when there were no Nazi's till 1919 ppl can be so judgemental and misinformed
JRussoBuffaloNY 2 years ago 38
@JRussoBuffaloNY yea they dont realise the only symbol to do with the nazis was the swastika
calumknight1984 1 year ago
@JRussoBuffaloNY the Iron Cross go back to Medieeval and the German Order ;)
carnage2681 1 year ago
@carnage2681 right right right, but as you can clearly see I was speaking of the Eisernes Kreuz 1st & 2nd class. I am well aware of the Teutonic order & the Cross Pattee' (Tatzenkreuz) they wore upon their breast. Danke
JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
@JRussoBuffaloNY Right Many people are so brainwashed they think Germans = bad
DogEars93 1 year ago
@DogEars93 thank you for your support, it is greatly appreciated.
JRussoBuffaloNY 1 year ago
@JRussoBuffaloNY yes it was created to increase prussian nationlism in the napoleonic wars
MINIHermanator 1 year ago
I agree, you cannot be thrust into 1917 you must reseach, americans did not speak or act at that time like they do now. the whole modern arrogance and sarcastic,cynical shite won't hold. just listen to the real recording of eddie rickenbacker listen to his awesome vocabulary and his demeanor his true pressence. he had class ppl today have no clue and they will prob rate my commentary poorly but it is only because of their misunderstanding for the past. arrogance,ignorance but that is todays usa
JRussoBuffaloNY 2 years ago 3
...it is very unfortunate that one must agree. You are right. There is very little class left in modern American society. Even our so-called high society has suscribed to filth and ill-gotten morales. Hence, the movie fabrication. The actors in Flyboys have to do lines similarly coarse as to the ones found in "Transformers". The movie industry which is a reflection of our society and must sell their products to that same society in order to survive is at the beginning of a social downward spiral
Hundedox 2 years ago
@Hundedox no class in any society these days the uk is getting just as bad as the us our kids morals are getting lower and lower by the year. And i can probably say with certainty thats worldwide the youth now gets away with so much and have everything pretty much handed to them they have gotten spoilt rotten
calumknight1984 1 year ago
The DR1 still sucked; well... not exactly. It was an effective airplane, but it was difficult to fly.
Dauntless07 2 years ago
La música no pega ni con mocos XDD
PERENOLLO 2 years ago
was ist die musik?
yoheelav 2 years ago
lol fokker ITS LIKE THE HINDENBURG ALL OVER AGAIN
wmkboba 2 years ago
the red baron is best flyer in the world
btsvforever 2 years ago 4
and Erich Hartmann 352 kills WW2
JRussoBuffaloNY 2 years ago 6
wow kann sein,und michael wittmann the best tank killer
btsvforever 2 years ago
Was.
MaoiMeowi2 2 years ago
he still got pwned
comedyvsaction 2 years ago
pwned was ist das
btsvforever 2 years ago
Owned, Fragged, Dusted, Iced, Dispatched with Extreme Prejudice, ect.
herphernando7 2 years ago
the "red baron" flew albatross to start with and when he became ecceptional he had the new focker dr 3 converted to his specification so no other plane in the skies was anything like the red barons focker
slipknotfansic 2 years ago
Its the Fokker Dr.I not Focker dr3
Dr stands for Dreidecker which means that the plane had three wings
Wikingersohn93 2 years ago
I think he flew a doghouse...
Hundedox 2 years ago
he actually flew a Fokker DR-1 not a DR-3
pugzlie18 2 years ago
It's the Fokker Dr.I not dr3
Wikingersohn93 2 years ago
thats a balck raven NOT THE RED BARON!
P.S. i saw this movie to!
DrSniperLT 2 years ago
What is this I just saw here?... All Fokkers painted in RED? ... That is so wrong! by the way they had squads which they called JASTA , I think Von Richthofen commanded 4 or 5 JASTAS at the same time and they where named as The Flying Circus because of their plane colors, not all pilots used Fokkers they used Albatros D.III planes as well.
elguanchez 2 years ago 5
They painted them all red on purpose, so American viewers could easily tell which is a bad guy.
nawitus 2 years ago 18
Hur hur hur, it's so fashionable to insult Americans, isn't numbnuts?
tetrisclock 1 year ago
Richtofen commanded jasta 11 when he began he was with jasta 2
JRussoBuffaloNY 2 years ago
well compering the aircrafts of ww1 and ww2 they are a lot different.
Jimihumunukk 2 years ago
more efficient and more powerfull engines able to compensate for more weight in the form of steel, weaponry, hydraulics and bombs yet also allowing for much higher speeds and more frame stressing manuvers ... so ya, quite different. ;)
araiker 2 years ago
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joelhowells 2 years ago
at least Der Rote Baron had carefully researched and accurate colour schemes for the aircraft, the flyboy schemes are a joke.
windhovernz 2 years ago 8
Yeah well I'm not sure about that but I do know that the plane the Americans and French fly is a Nieuport 17 and this film is on the right track with its color scheme.
Oyufurodai 2 years ago
they are correct in that they are silver dope finish with french roundels and fin colours, however the personal markings are entirely fictional.
I have no idea why Hollywood cant get this stuff right, but I suspect that if peter jackson ever makes a WW1 movie it will be right in all respects
windhovernz 2 years ago 3
the u.s. flew nieuport 17 24 and 28 and
spad 7,12,13
JRussoBuffaloNY 2 years ago
flyboys is soo bad
texanpilot23 2 years ago
did u mean that as badass or like, terrible?
cus im still thinking of which one to watch first.
TexTK 2 years ago
Red Baron 4ever 82 confirmed kills
Jimihumunukk 2 years ago
yeah Richtoffen was quite the guy.
But personally I'm more of a fan of Erich Hartmann, the World War 2 German pilot who scored 352 confirmed kills, the most ever scored by any fighter pilot in the history of the world. He doesn't get the recognition he deserves. Will the Black Tulip ever get a movie of his own?
NackWeasel 2 years ago 3
All german planes red? -that's embarrassing
NichtsNadaNothing 2 years ago 3
name of song?
tobyedge23 2 years ago
What song is that?
divermayhem 2 years ago
no one can be comparer with the Red Baron. doesn't mind what they have done, no one like Red Baron !!!!! a really true hero and great person .......him won the respect even among his enemies , when him died the English Army gave him a property bury (even wen him Knock down 80 English aircrafts ), just few men can get it !!!!!! comparer flyboys with Red Baron it cannot be in the same world !!!!!! is just they cannot be in the same level !!!! THE RED BARON IS A LEGEND !!!!!
baronww1 2 years ago 4
"him won the respect even among his enemies"
So did Patton.
SuperHaloStarwarsFan 2 years ago 5
....learn to write xD U said a property bury HA HA HAAAA It is(In english), "A proper burial."
Dale3452 2 years ago
it could be a typo.. smartass...
lahiru24 2 years ago
How come in Flyboys, there is a whole bunch of red triplanes? I didnt see it.
I saw TRB. I was disappointed. The love story stuff ruined it because so much more dogfighting scenes couldve been shown. Movie makers need to realize that when people go to see a movie like this, 90% of them want to see... DOGFIGHTING!
I mean, they leave out the last flight of Voss AND the Baron?? Thats ridiculous. I know its not about Voss but its a historical moment. How could they pass that opportunity? Jees!
Props2u 2 years ago 8
They explained the Red Triplans in the Special Features of Flyboys. They said they just made all the German planes Red, and Triplanes so It was easier to distinguish between the French and Germans.
stryfe41 2 years ago
i believe it's because Manfred AKA T.R.B. controlled Jasta I which was also know as the flying circus. this was due to the fact that most pilots brightly painted their planes.
ironforge12321 2 years ago
i know that pisses me off, all the german planes in flyboys were red, i thought i was the only one who noticed.
JTelli786 2 years ago
they were red back then smart one
thelittlemind 2 years ago
no, only the red baron was red the others i dont know, but i know they were not all red.
JTelli786 2 years ago 2
Bit of everything actually.Quoted from Wiki:adopted red colourations with various individual markings, :end quote
C906070 2 years ago
it seems a good movie... we should all see it because it implies history and love.. so .. see it. and please ... give me a 5 star rate to my only video because i m on a contest to go to usa.. 10x
dnba061 2 years ago
"Flyboys" was awful. Let's hope that "Red Baron" doesn't make the same stupid mistakes.
moosedog72 2 years ago
Same problems as pearl harbor in my opinion. A love story got crowbar'd into it. But the same thing that made me like pearl harbor. the amazingly done dogfight scenes.
sharter15 2 years ago
WOW!! the terror flying at 70 knots... im shivering...
mustang684 2 years ago
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no one can be comparer with the Red Baron. doesn't mind what they have done, no one like Red Baron !!!!! a really true hero and great person .......him won the respect even among his enemies , when him died the English Army gave him a property bury (even wen him Knock down 80 English aircrafts ), just few men can get it !!!!!! comparer flyboys with Red Baron it cannot be in the same world !!!!!! is just they cannot be in the same level !!!! THE RED BARON IS A LEGEND !!!!!
silencioh 2 years ago
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silencioh 2 years ago
you took the most boring fight screnes of "the red baron"... but that scenes are soo much better than the scenes from flyboys anyway^^
XFusionME 2 years ago 3
The movie "Flyboys" is TERRIBLE! I want my time back for watching it!
OtakuPraetorius 3 years ago 3
Too much Hollywood, not enough battle? If I were making such a movie, it would be out the pilots eyes, walking up in the freezing morning in dawn, getting dressed, getting out in the cold, cranking up a tempermental death trap wings and wires, getting oil in his face, freezing, the long distance, the boredom, and the sudden terror, the heavy breathing, the hand he looks down at after touching his chest covered in blood, the spiral downward, the crunch, the white light, the hospital bed if lucky
cobrachoppergirl 3 years ago 2
Mmmmh, sounds good. Please tell me when your movie gets released! :-)
lilbrothaaa 3 years ago
Well said,
The problem with at least Red Baron movie is that it makes everything seem so easy... the boys are just joking all the time like it's a fucking game and the movie doesn't seem to take itself seriously.
Kinda makes you forget its ww1.
zauii89 2 years ago
you should relearn your world war 1 history, world war 1 was horride yes but it was still one of the last true gentelmens war because if an enemy was able to get even within 5 feet of the enemy trench they would stop firing and let him get what he wants. then let him go back to his trench before they went back at it
baronww1 2 years ago
the last gentleman's war? It isn't really gentalmanly to dig a tunnel under the enemies trench and blow it up, killing everyone, or to use poison gas to clear the enemy position.
colbertLOTR91 2 years ago 4
you really need to brush up on your history kid, if you studied it and learned from survivors of that war you would see how it was.
baronww1 2 years ago
well, what is your definition of a gentalmanly war?
colbertLOTR91 2 years ago 2
from what one of the survivors from world war 1 told me was when you got close enough to the enemy trench they would stop shooting they all would shake jand and after alittle while continue the fight, on christmas almost every year they would have a soccer match with germany vs who every they where fighting in the trenches in front of them
baronww1 2 years ago
Actually,it was only the christmas of 1914 that both sides came out and played soccer.After 1914,there were not many large scale "get togethers."During the Battle of the Somme,since the British were not told what to do with POW's,many German Pow's were executed.
In Turkey, you had a genocide going against the Armenians.
I agree near the begining,there were some gentalmanly activites, but as the war continued,there were less and less humanity shown on both sides.
colbertLOTR91 2 years ago 4