Small opinion. If you're an athiest, i don't wanna hear your shit on Religion, sure, i'm christian, i'm supposed to be nice? No, fuck yall. I'm tired of hearing everyone who don't believe in anything bitch about how "wrong" religion is. You don't believe in shit, so shut the fuck up, you're opinion means nothing.
@4me2cclearly: Oh don't worry, you get to live in retarded happy fun time land too if you want. Where the only thing you have to do in order to increase your intelligence is to believe in the same philosophy as scientists, both of days gone by and contemporary.
Ignore the fact that there are many different views these people take, because you'll be ignoring the hypocrisy of telling people what they believe is stupid while being offended when they do the same thing to yoooou.
@indignant99: So you have a problem with someone who believes as you do telling you that people in your group are not as intelligent or as enlightened as they thing but you don't seem to have a problem doing this to other people with different beliefs.
@matthewtaylorbrown: If you think about it, everything and nothing is possible, in so far that it is possible in the infinity that is existence that there exists one occurrence of everything ever thought of and much more. Now this is weakened when you come up with something for the sake of an example, but although implausible (to me) it isn't impossible.
This is just the first part. Next is a Christian on Christian and it is about 9 mins.
@BLHProductions Wow, nice to see Pascal's Wager, I hope you realize how truly flawed that logic is. With your logic, you should also believe in Allah, Vishnu, Thor, Zeus, and unicorns because there is no drawback to not believing. Don't you see how silly that is? I guess you should believe in every conceivable god to ensure that you can get into every conceivable heaven. Then its win-win, right?
@pickles4all: Wasn't really going for that. As I said, I believe I am right. He was more saying it is better to believe in God then not to in case there was a God.
What I was saying is that if I am wrong then it truly doesn't matter. I don't make "God hates fags" signs, I don't think homosexuality is a sin, and I don't think you go to hell just because you do not believe in God.
@pickles4all: The Jewish, Christian, and Muslim God are all the same. Though I had a Muslim friend say "may Allah bless you" and I thanked him. I don't get caught up an the "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality that SOME theists and atheists do.
@BLHProductions "The Jewish, Christian, and Muslim God are all the same."
Wow. Is that why the Qur'an goes out of its way to declare that Christianity is false and that Jesus was not divine? Is that why Qur'anic morality is derived from the very OT that you reject as not particularly good morality in other posts, and not from Jesus?
It's not that "SOME" theists say these gods have vastly different definitions. The books claimed to be written/inspired by the Gods do.
@Gnomefro: I might be wrong in this, but from what I understand, Judaism, Christianity, And Islam all have the same God. The difference is that Jews do not have a Messiah, Christians have Jesus, and Muslims view Jesus as a prophet, but that Muhammad is the most important.
Saying that Jesus is not divine doesn't make the God different if it has nothing to do with God, or Allah, or Yahweh.
@BLHProductions The fact of the matter is that those three religions all claim to have the truth about the god of Abraham, but they are not in any way shape or form operating with the same god concepts, or even remotely similar ideas of what the purpose of humanity is.
It's also quite amusing that you claim you don't know much about morality, yet muslims do make that claim. They have the Qur'an and Hadith detailing exactly how they're supposed to behave.
@Gnomefro I agree with the dissimilar nature of these three gods. The Christian god has three heads, the other two are single god-heads. Neither the Jewish god or Islamic god includes Jesus. Then there is the Holy Ghost. One can make the argument solely on reading the descriptions in each holy book and come up with three different described gods.
@Gnomefro: New and Old Testament, same God. Though some people do think that saying "no GODS before Me" and the "change" in God's behavior from Old to New may mean that there is another God. As I said, it's up to interpretation.
No, I said I do not know factually if morality exists, and if it does I have no proof that what I believe is right, but I still believe in morality and still believe what I believe is right.
I'm just not pretentious enough to say I know factually about God.
@BLHProductions When you reject their revelation, and their "prophet", you are also denying their idea of god. You are calling Mohammed a liar when he makes his statements about Jesus. This undermines all muslim claims about god, because they all originate with that same liar.
That you still go around thinking you respect the other religions, while actually performing wholesale rejections of them, is just comical. It's a bit like muslims claiming everyone else are really muslims
@Gnomefro: Actually they say Jesus was a prophet and not the son of God. But as far as I understand it, God did not change from one religion to another, just the belief and the main person to listen too. Being different means the religion is different, not a different God.
Interpretations are simply interpretations. I say I believe differently, I could be wrong jsut like you.
I respect a person's right of choice, I can still think what they believe is silly though.
@BLHProductions Other religions just happen to be corrupted versions of what the other prophets said - to the extent they don't agree with Mohammed. That this is utter nonsense should be obvious to any thinking person.
@Gnomefro: There are more then one interpretation.
You can view something as 100% the word or God or Allah or Xenu, or you can look at it from a number of different angles. One of these is to say that these were written by humans and translated many times, so things could be lost, added, or not understood.
@pickles4all: I could replace "God" with any of those and if my main belief is true, that it doesn't matter much if you believe God instead of Zeus or Allah, then even if the invisible pink unicorn is sipping tea from the cosmic tea kettle it wouldn't matter would it?
Also, you jumped to conclusion again, after saying I made a generalization about Atheists (that I didn't do).
@BLHProductions No, not all gods are the same. If you believe in the Christian god or Muslim god you are forbidden to believe in other gods. These religions are mutually exclusive.
If you don't care whether your beliefs are true, there's nothing else to discuss here. In your world, every claim is possible, and every claim merits the same respect. Have fun in the scientific field when you don't even care about evidence.
@pickles4all: According the the Bible. As I said, I do not put that much importance on the Bible. I don't believe we should be flogging people being teenagers and disrespecting their parents, so I don't believe we should hate homosexuals. As I said, it doesn't make sense. Though neither does a small singularity holding the entire universe winking into existence and then expanding.
@pickles4all: There are more then one sect of religion. I could simply call myself religious, I don't need the title of Christain, but I tend to say non-denominational.
Until proven otherwise, every claim is possible. There are more and less plausible claims, but when you get down to it, you can only prove your own conciseness exists.
Again wrong. I can think that worshiping street lights is foolish, but if it isn't harmful, why care that much about it?
@pickles4all: You sure seem to like to tell people what you believe is right and what they believe is wrong.
I can't understand that you don't like religion.
A clockwork God theory would make absolute evidence less of a problem. We do not know 100% what is and isn't moral, yet society doesn't fall into chaos.
Belief about something I don't know is 100% true doesn't make be dumb, you do it too.
It doesn't matter much to me if I am 100% right because I'm likely not.
@pickles4all: Unless one believes in a clockwork God, or you know, that God is a lot smarter then us humans and not as petty as our over translated books written by humans claim. :D
@BLHProductions How is there stupidity tied to atheism? Atheism doesn't make any claims, period. Religions are the ones making ridiculous claims, that time and time again are disproven by science. Can you please give me an example of stupidity tied to atheism?
"I'm so smart because I don't believe in something that my parents do."
"I hate it when people tell me I am wrong and what they believe is right, here, let me tell you why you are an idiot and what I believe is 100% factual."
"In order to disprove religion, my serious argument is going to involve coming up with an example that no one will believe. Because they do not believe in my dumb example, they can't believe in religion."
This is not the mentality of all Atheists, but it is usually easy to tell the ones who are rebelling or new, and the ones who logically though this out as a serious belief.
Of course, there is also the point that calling someone dumb will not change the mind of most people.
Atheism is the belief that there is no God. But, the "stupid Atheists" make it really dogmatic. FSM forbid you say you are a theist.. Though these might be anti-theists.
@pickles4all count. count: Science does not disprove religion. It does rule out the more idiotic beliefs (mostly). But I don't go around claiming God causes natural disasters because he is displeased with America (which is apparently his chosen country). I don't even believe atheists will go to hell simply for being Atheist. But hey, that's me. I tend to shun the stupidity in my religion.
@pickles4all: NOTE: I do not mean that all Atheists are like this, but being an atheist doesn't make you smarter, more logical, or enlightened simply because you are one.
The main problem with religion is that people think they are better then other people because they believe they are right, and the same goes with atheism or any belief system.
@BLHProductions But this stupidity is tied to the individuals, not atheism. Atheism is a single position on a single claim, and nothing more. What you are doing is stereotyping an entire group of people based on a handful of comments. Furthermore, atheism is not a belief, it is a disbelief, and there is a huge difference. The biggest difference between atheists and theists is that atheists care whether their beliefs are true. If theists truly cared, they couldn't possibly be theists.
@pickles4all: Yes that is what I meant. Most ideas are great alone, it's people that fuck them up. Communism could be a great government system, so could a dictatorship, the problem is that people mess it up so much.
Christianity means the belief in God and Jesus at it's roots. Everything else tends to be personal preference using religion as a reason to hate something (along with the people).
No, I do believe I pointed out that this was only about some people, not all.
@pickles4all: Let me put it to you this way. In an Atheist forum, I got called an Atheist and told I was going to hell because I said a Christian was being an idiot. -_-
This is a 3 1/2 minute video, the one I did about Christianity is almost 9 minutes long.
I said in the description there was another one about religion.
And if I may, do you not do the same thing when you said being atheist makes you smarter and being a theist makes you dumber?
Depends on what you mean. If you do not believe in something, you have a belief that it does not exist. The only time it wouldn't be a belief is if it was known. I won't go into the "I think therefore I am" philosophy, but as much as theists and atheists claim this, they don't know 100% if there is or isn't. They can say they are 99.999% sure, but it isn't factual.
Oh, you say condescending things? You must be really intelligent.
@BLHProductions My intention is not to be condescending, but I really would like to know if you accept that either there is a god or there isn't. I think we can make some progress here.
@pickles4all: I personally believe in the existence of God. But like my personal beliefs in morality, I do not claim that I "know" that God exists, I simply say I believe that God exist.
And if we are going to get into what I personally believe, I'll tell you know it doesn't make sense. :D
@BLHProductions If someone truly held the belief that Thor and Santa Clause had a gay orgy that made the world, then they are delusional and should seek medical treatment. Your example is weak.
@pickles4all: I think the problem you have involves a person's belief messing with how that act and what they believe. Saying that God is angry because there was an earthquake is dumb, but if you believe in something and it doesn't do anything buy make you a better person (and I mean an actual better person not just what the religion thinks) then it has a positive effect.
@BLHProductions Could you give me an example of something you can believe in that actually makes you a better person? I don't quite understand what you mean.
@pickles4all: If you use religion as a moral guideline in a possessive way, it helps.
By this I mean to donate to charity, help people out, be excepting, etc. etc. This does not mean to say people are going to go to hell if they don't believe what you do.
Now you can do this without religion, of course the fist comments I got on this video was more or less "people who believe in God are dumb." So isn't there something to say if I am more excepting of atheists than SOME are of me?
@BLHProductions You just made my point for me. We can live moral lives without religion, therefore any moral guidelines that are offered by religion are a moot point.
I do not think that people should be accepting of the religious views of others. I accept people's opinions about things, but when it comes to religion it is NOT a matter of opinion, it is a matter of FACT. Either your religion is true, or it isn't. Either your god is real, or it isn't. These are not opinions.
@pickles4all: Yes we can. If I may, do you personally believe in morality or do you believe it is preference? I personally believe objective morality exists, but I don't think we know 100% what is and is not moral. A good example is God. There either is or isn't a God, but we don't know 100%. You can say you do, but theists say the same thing. But there is an answer, you just have to die to find out, if you can.
Not if it makes you a better person. But it is not an absolute need.
@pickles4all: If a person has a religious view that does not interfere with you and does not make the a raving lunatic, what does it matter? If I had a belief system identical to yours except that I worshiped streetlights, besides perhaps a bit of wasted time if I was wrong about the great god Lumos, how am I affected in a negative way?
The worst you can say is that it isn't something that is needed, but if no harm comes there is no reason to not be accepting.
@pickles4all: You claiming that it is a fact that there is no God (in all caps) has about as much worth as a theist claiming that it is a fact that there is a God. I do not claim facts, I claim belief. In this, I feel that I am more accepting then you.
In all honestly, I doubt any religion or set of beliefs are 100% true. It is an opinion that God exists just as much as God not existing. What you say may work for some beliefs, but not all. Clockwork God for example.
@BLHProductions Belief is the acceptance of a claim. If you believe a god exists, you believe it to be true. Like I said, I am accepting of opinions. We could debate about the greatest song of all time, and at the end of the day, there is no right answer.....it is about our own opinion. But when you make a claim of existence, there is a right and wrong answer. Do you believe that either there is a god or there isn't?
@pickles4all: I think that first part goes without saying. But a person believes that everything they believe is true, but belief doesn't make it factual. People think eating animals is immoral, but it doesn't make it immoral, despite their claims to the contrary.
That is because that is up to opinion. However the existence of God has a definitive answer. Yes. Or no. Perhaps more complex, but that is it in a nutshell. I believe yes, but like you, I don't know.
@pickles4all: Yes, I am an agnostic theist, though we are not necessarily cut off from knowing before we die, but at this time we have no definitive way of knowing.
I do not believe that people of other religions or those who are Atheist will go to hell simply for not believing what I do, that God is above humans. If I am right about the existence of God and his attitude, then I see no drawbacks. If not then I will die and that will be the end of it. So no, not really. But go on.
@BLHProductions You should believe in things because they are true or most likely to be true. It's funny how even though you understand the scientific method, you do not apply it to your own religious claims. Do you care whether whether your scientific research is true? Or do you publish work that makes you feel good regardless of whether you have evidence?
There is a reason why the overwhelming majority of scientists are not religious.
@pickles4all: This again implies that I believe what you believe. I've had vegans and vegetarians tell me the same thing about eating meat. That it is factually wrong, that what they believe is 100% right.
I do believe I said that if we were getting into what I believe that it wouldn't make sense. Just like I think that the bible isn't the shining way to morality but believe in Jesus. You asked, you got it.
@pickles4all: : Do I care rather something that is improvable is true or not compared to something that is able to be proven...wow, talking to vegs really gets you good at seeing people attempt to lead you in the direction they want.
There is also a reason why correlation isn't causation. Most scientists are atheists. Scientists are smart. Therefore if I am an Atheist, I will be smart. Too bad this is a non sequitur huh?
@pickles4all: If you had an IQ of 85 and then decided you did not believe in God anymore, you still have an IQ of 85. If you went from being and asshole to Atheists to being an asshole to Christians, nothing has changed except your mind.
Likewise, if you had an IQ of 85 as an Atheist then went on to believe in God, you still have an IQ of 85.
The only thing that changes when you change your mind, is perhaps an ego boost.
@BLHProductions I'm not talking about IQ. I'm not talking about intelligence, I am talking about being smart and those two are not necessarily correlated. There are highly intelligent people that believe in a god. While their belief in a god makes them stupid on that particular belief, there are still as intelligent.
@pickles4all: So if smarts is not the same as IQ or intelligence then what would it mean? You said smarter, that is synonymous with intelligence.
Why is it stupid to believe in something when you do not know the facts? It's one thing to believe that evolution is false, but you have no more proof that their isn't a god as a theist has that their is.
Do you not find it a bit dumb to call someone stupid based on something you cannot prove either way? (Waits for unicorn argument).
@BLHProductions Yes, the unicorn argument is completely relevant here. You are giving religious claims far too much credit...gods are nothing more than something that someone made up. I can't disprove someone's god any more than I disprove any number of things they make up.
There is absolutely no evidence to support a belief in any god. Even if someone wishes to disbelieve in all the scientific theories we have, that doesn't lend any credibility to the nonsense they make up.
@pickles4all: I call them beliefs and not claims. I do believe in God but I do not insist I am right. That is why my best friend is an Atheist and I have no problem with homosexuality (though that has more to do with me not minding lesbians).
I believe you think religious people are always crazy, but you can be a good and reasonable person and be religious.
As a counter example, me, talking about evolution. Asked about religion. Said I was Christian. Called an idiot. TheFuck.jpeg
@pickles4all: I do not believe that a belief in a god is grounds to dismiss science. If it was, then I would be in trouble seeing as I am a Biology Major and believe in evolution (to an extent, but that doesn't has much if anything to do with religion, more being skeptical and inquisitive, and yes, that is ironic).
But I do believe that there is a lot of stupidity tired to religion, but there is stupidity tied to Atheism too. I've seen both atheist forums and christian forums.
Small opinion. If you're an athiest, i don't wanna hear your shit on Religion, sure, i'm christian, i'm supposed to be nice? No, fuck yall. I'm tired of hearing everyone who don't believe in anything bitch about how "wrong" religion is. You don't believe in shit, so shut the fuck up, you're opinion means nothing.
DaKronk93 4 weeks ago
@DaKronk93: The guy in this video is talking about how Atheists tend to do what you just said and more.
I personally am a Christian.
BLHProductions 4 weeks ago
I have the answer: we really don't know and I'm supposing we find out when we die
renagadeassain900 1 month ago
@renagadeassain900: Pretty much, assuming we can when we die.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
Oh Zeke is so cute.
nia1717 1 month ago
@nia1717: LOL/
BLHProductions 1 month ago
These comments make me weap for humanity.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
I wish I was retarded!!
Never seen anyone happier then a retard!!
That is why ignorance is bliss.
But NO!!
I got to live in this shit hole called reality..
But it's all good yhoo!!
That is why the flying pink magical badger made Porn...
Right?
4me2cclearly 1 month ago
@4me2cclearly: Oh don't worry, you get to live in retarded happy fun time land too if you want. Where the only thing you have to do in order to increase your intelligence is to believe in the same philosophy as scientists, both of days gone by and contemporary.
Ignore the fact that there are many different views these people take, because you'll be ignoring the hypocrisy of telling people what they believe is stupid while being offended when they do the same thing to yoooou.
XD
BLHProductions 1 month ago
Pffft. How about you take in a big whiff of FART GAS?
indignant99 1 month ago
@indignant99: So you have a problem with someone who believes as you do telling you that people in your group are not as intelligent or as enlightened as they thing but you don't seem to have a problem doing this to other people with different beliefs.
This is what is known as hypocrisy.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
What you say is true of atheists and theists.
How is the Christian god more possible than the "great sky wizard" you mentioned?
What, the Christians don't come off as arrogant and bash atheists?
Please tell me you are no serious about aliens.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 month ago
@matthewtaylorbrown: If you think about it, everything and nothing is possible, in so far that it is possible in the infinity that is existence that there exists one occurrence of everything ever thought of and much more. Now this is weakened when you come up with something for the sake of an example, but although implausible (to me) it isn't impossible.
This is just the first part. Next is a Christian on Christian and it is about 9 mins.
No, that was a joke.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
Thank-you for this video more for me to think about i think after-hours watching this video i think Im mote agnostic :)
peruvianjapkenji95 1 month ago
@peruvianjapkenji95: People like you make videos like this worth it.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions Wow, nice to see Pascal's Wager, I hope you realize how truly flawed that logic is. With your logic, you should also believe in Allah, Vishnu, Thor, Zeus, and unicorns because there is no drawback to not believing. Don't you see how silly that is? I guess you should believe in every conceivable god to ensure that you can get into every conceivable heaven. Then its win-win, right?
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: Wasn't really going for that. As I said, I believe I am right. He was more saying it is better to believe in God then not to in case there was a God.
What I was saying is that if I am wrong then it truly doesn't matter. I don't make "God hates fags" signs, I don't think homosexuality is a sin, and I don't think you go to hell just because you do not believe in God.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: The Jewish, Christian, and Muslim God are all the same. Though I had a Muslim friend say "may Allah bless you" and I thanked him. I don't get caught up an the "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality that SOME theists and atheists do.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "The Jewish, Christian, and Muslim God are all the same."
Wow. Is that why the Qur'an goes out of its way to declare that Christianity is false and that Jesus was not divine? Is that why Qur'anic morality is derived from the very OT that you reject as not particularly good morality in other posts, and not from Jesus?
It's not that "SOME" theists say these gods have vastly different definitions. The books claimed to be written/inspired by the Gods do.
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@Gnomefro: I might be wrong in this, but from what I understand, Judaism, Christianity, And Islam all have the same God. The difference is that Jews do not have a Messiah, Christians have Jesus, and Muslims view Jesus as a prophet, but that Muhammad is the most important.
Saying that Jesus is not divine doesn't make the God different if it has nothing to do with God, or Allah, or Yahweh.
Dictated by God usually, not written directly.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions The fact of the matter is that those three religions all claim to have the truth about the god of Abraham, but they are not in any way shape or form operating with the same god concepts, or even remotely similar ideas of what the purpose of humanity is.
It's also quite amusing that you claim you don't know much about morality, yet muslims do make that claim. They have the Qur'an and Hadith detailing exactly how they're supposed to behave.
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@Gnomefro I agree with the dissimilar nature of these three gods. The Christian god has three heads, the other two are single god-heads. Neither the Jewish god or Islamic god includes Jesus. Then there is the Holy Ghost. One can make the argument solely on reading the descriptions in each holy book and come up with three different described gods.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 month ago
@matthewtaylorbrown: Jesus: Jesus. God: God. Holy Ghost: Allah.
Anthropologists are still trying to find the truth from the bones but as I'm sure you know they are having problem with the carbon dating.
I can make crazy claims too, but mocking what you say doesn't make me right.
3 books, 3 interpretations. I'm Christian, but believe what you want. I don't have a need that everyone agree with me that most people have.
So, are you done preaching now?
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@Gnomefro: New and Old Testament, same God. Though some people do think that saying "no GODS before Me" and the "change" in God's behavior from Old to New may mean that there is another God. As I said, it's up to interpretation.
No, I said I do not know factually if morality exists, and if it does I have no proof that what I believe is right, but I still believe in morality and still believe what I believe is right.
I'm just not pretentious enough to say I know factually about God.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions When you reject their revelation, and their "prophet", you are also denying their idea of god. You are calling Mohammed a liar when he makes his statements about Jesus. This undermines all muslim claims about god, because they all originate with that same liar.
That you still go around thinking you respect the other religions, while actually performing wholesale rejections of them, is just comical. It's a bit like muslims claiming everyone else are really muslims
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@Gnomefro Humor me, look up the definition of 'deny' and 'denial.' You might use it differently.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 month ago
@Gnomefro: Actually they say Jesus was a prophet and not the son of God. But as far as I understand it, God did not change from one religion to another, just the belief and the main person to listen too. Being different means the religion is different, not a different God.
Interpretations are simply interpretations. I say I believe differently, I could be wrong jsut like you.
I respect a person's right of choice, I can still think what they believe is silly though.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions Other religions just happen to be corrupted versions of what the other prophets said - to the extent they don't agree with Mohammed. That this is utter nonsense should be obvious to any thinking person.
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@Gnomefro: There are more then one interpretation.
You can view something as 100% the word or God or Allah or Xenu, or you can look at it from a number of different angles. One of these is to say that these were written by humans and translated many times, so things could be lost, added, or not understood.
Ever play telephone as a child?
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: I could replace "God" with any of those and if my main belief is true, that it doesn't matter much if you believe God instead of Zeus or Allah, then even if the invisible pink unicorn is sipping tea from the cosmic tea kettle it wouldn't matter would it?
Also, you jumped to conclusion again, after saying I made a generalization about Atheists (that I didn't do).
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions No, not all gods are the same. If you believe in the Christian god or Muslim god you are forbidden to believe in other gods. These religions are mutually exclusive.
If you don't care whether your beliefs are true, there's nothing else to discuss here. In your world, every claim is possible, and every claim merits the same respect. Have fun in the scientific field when you don't even care about evidence.
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: According the the Bible. As I said, I do not put that much importance on the Bible. I don't believe we should be flogging people being teenagers and disrespecting their parents, so I don't believe we should hate homosexuals. As I said, it doesn't make sense. Though neither does a small singularity holding the entire universe winking into existence and then expanding.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: There are more then one sect of religion. I could simply call myself religious, I don't need the title of Christain, but I tend to say non-denominational.
Until proven otherwise, every claim is possible. There are more and less plausible claims, but when you get down to it, you can only prove your own conciseness exists.
Again wrong. I can think that worshiping street lights is foolish, but if it isn't harmful, why care that much about it?
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: You sure seem to like to tell people what you believe is right and what they believe is wrong.
I can't understand that you don't like religion.
A clockwork God theory would make absolute evidence less of a problem. We do not know 100% what is and isn't moral, yet society doesn't fall into chaos.
Belief about something I don't know is 100% true doesn't make be dumb, you do it too.
It doesn't matter much to me if I am 100% right because I'm likely not.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
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@BLHProductions "A clockwork God theory would make absolute evidence less of a problem."
We have a label for that concept - "nature".
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@Gnomefro: We have a label for what I do when I find an opponent is part of the problem and not the solution: Trolling.
But I do find it funny that your believe in a force that controls all we see.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: Unless you use religion in a negative way, not much. I suppose you could do something better then go to Church though.
But hey, if you have a problem with that, you can ask God when you die, or Allah, or Vishnu, or Thor, or Zeus, or Xenu.
I find it funny you are against me being accepting of other beliefs systems right.
"No! A theist is being accepting! DoEs NoT CoMPuTe!" I can be condescending too, but ti doesn't make me any more right.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions Science doesn't disprove religion as a whole, but it can disprove any testable religious claim using evidence.
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: Unless one believes in a clockwork God, or you know, that God is a lot smarter then us humans and not as petty as our over translated books written by humans claim. :D
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions How is there stupidity tied to atheism? Atheism doesn't make any claims, period. Religions are the ones making ridiculous claims, that time and time again are disproven by science. Can you please give me an example of stupidity tied to atheism?
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: "Oh your a Christian? You're dumb"
"I'm so smart because I don't believe in something that my parents do."
"I hate it when people tell me I am wrong and what they believe is right, here, let me tell you why you are an idiot and what I believe is 100% factual."
"In order to disprove religion, my serious argument is going to involve coming up with an example that no one will believe. Because they do not believe in my dumb example, they can't believe in religion."
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all count: *your [sic].
This is not the mentality of all Atheists, but it is usually easy to tell the ones who are rebelling or new, and the ones who logically though this out as a serious belief.
Of course, there is also the point that calling someone dumb will not change the mind of most people.
Atheism is the belief that there is no God. But, the "stupid Atheists" make it really dogmatic. FSM forbid you say you are a theist.. Though these might be anti-theists.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all count. count: Science does not disprove religion. It does rule out the more idiotic beliefs (mostly). But I don't go around claiming God causes natural disasters because he is displeased with America (which is apparently his chosen country). I don't even believe atheists will go to hell simply for being Atheist. But hey, that's me. I tend to shun the stupidity in my religion.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: NOTE: I do not mean that all Atheists are like this, but being an atheist doesn't make you smarter, more logical, or enlightened simply because you are one.
The main problem with religion is that people think they are better then other people because they believe they are right, and the same goes with atheism or any belief system.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions But this stupidity is tied to the individuals, not atheism. Atheism is a single position on a single claim, and nothing more. What you are doing is stereotyping an entire group of people based on a handful of comments. Furthermore, atheism is not a belief, it is a disbelief, and there is a huge difference. The biggest difference between atheists and theists is that atheists care whether their beliefs are true. If theists truly cared, they couldn't possibly be theists.
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: Yes that is what I meant. Most ideas are great alone, it's people that fuck them up. Communism could be a great government system, so could a dictatorship, the problem is that people mess it up so much.
Christianity means the belief in God and Jesus at it's roots. Everything else tends to be personal preference using religion as a reason to hate something (along with the people).
No, I do believe I pointed out that this was only about some people, not all.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: Let me put it to you this way. In an Atheist forum, I got called an Atheist and told I was going to hell because I said a Christian was being an idiot. -_-
This is a 3 1/2 minute video, the one I did about Christianity is almost 9 minutes long.
I said in the description there was another one about religion.
And if I may, do you not do the same thing when you said being atheist makes you smarter and being a theist makes you dumber?
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: "atheism is not a belief"
Depends on what you mean. If you do not believe in something, you have a belief that it does not exist. The only time it wouldn't be a belief is if it was known. I won't go into the "I think therefore I am" philosophy, but as much as theists and atheists claim this, they don't know 100% if there is or isn't. They can say they are 99.999% sure, but it isn't factual.
Oh, you say condescending things? You must be really intelligent.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions My intention is not to be condescending, but I really would like to know if you accept that either there is a god or there isn't. I think we can make some progress here.
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: I personally believe in the existence of God. But like my personal beliefs in morality, I do not claim that I "know" that God exists, I simply say I believe that God exist.
And if we are going to get into what I personally believe, I'll tell you know it doesn't make sense. :D
BLHProductions 1 month ago
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pickles4all 1 month ago
I think not believing in god makes you think CLEARLY(thus smarter) because you take the "magic" out of it and think LOGICALLY!
SynapticalDischargeX 1 month ago
@SynapticalDischargeX: You can have a belief in a god and also think clearly and logically.
I could believe that Thor and Santa Clause had a gay orgy that made the world and have a clear understanding of quantum mechanics and evolution.
While many theists are indeed stupid, being a theist does not imply stupidity.
If it did, I would fail biology, especially my evolution class. -_-
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions If someone truly held the belief that Thor and Santa Clause had a gay orgy that made the world, then they are delusional and should seek medical treatment. Your example is weak.
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: I think the problem you have involves a person's belief messing with how that act and what they believe. Saying that God is angry because there was an earthquake is dumb, but if you believe in something and it doesn't do anything buy make you a better person (and I mean an actual better person not just what the religion thinks) then it has a positive effect.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions Could you give me an example of something you can believe in that actually makes you a better person? I don't quite understand what you mean.
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: If you use religion as a moral guideline in a possessive way, it helps.
By this I mean to donate to charity, help people out, be excepting, etc. etc. This does not mean to say people are going to go to hell if they don't believe what you do.
Now you can do this without religion, of course the fist comments I got on this video was more or less "people who believe in God are dumb." So isn't there something to say if I am more excepting of atheists than SOME are of me?
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions You just made my point for me. We can live moral lives without religion, therefore any moral guidelines that are offered by religion are a moot point.
I do not think that people should be accepting of the religious views of others. I accept people's opinions about things, but when it comes to religion it is NOT a matter of opinion, it is a matter of FACT. Either your religion is true, or it isn't. Either your god is real, or it isn't. These are not opinions.
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: Yes we can. If I may, do you personally believe in morality or do you believe it is preference? I personally believe objective morality exists, but I don't think we know 100% what is and is not moral. A good example is God. There either is or isn't a God, but we don't know 100%. You can say you do, but theists say the same thing. But there is an answer, you just have to die to find out, if you can.
Not if it makes you a better person. But it is not an absolute need.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: If a person has a religious view that does not interfere with you and does not make the a raving lunatic, what does it matter? If I had a belief system identical to yours except that I worshiped streetlights, besides perhaps a bit of wasted time if I was wrong about the great god Lumos, how am I affected in a negative way?
The worst you can say is that it isn't something that is needed, but if no harm comes there is no reason to not be accepting.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: You claiming that it is a fact that there is no God (in all caps) has about as much worth as a theist claiming that it is a fact that there is a God. I do not claim facts, I claim belief. In this, I feel that I am more accepting then you.
In all honestly, I doubt any religion or set of beliefs are 100% true. It is an opinion that God exists just as much as God not existing. What you say may work for some beliefs, but not all. Clockwork God for example.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions Belief is the acceptance of a claim. If you believe a god exists, you believe it to be true. Like I said, I am accepting of opinions. We could debate about the greatest song of all time, and at the end of the day, there is no right answer.....it is about our own opinion. But when you make a claim of existence, there is a right and wrong answer. Do you believe that either there is a god or there isn't?
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: I think that first part goes without saying. But a person believes that everything they believe is true, but belief doesn't make it factual. People think eating animals is immoral, but it doesn't make it immoral, despite their claims to the contrary.
That is because that is up to opinion. However the existence of God has a definitive answer. Yes. Or no. Perhaps more complex, but that is it in a nutshell. I believe yes, but like you, I don't know.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions Ok, so you are an agnostic theist, good to know. My next question.........do you care whether your belief is true?
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: Yes, I am an agnostic theist, though we are not necessarily cut off from knowing before we die, but at this time we have no definitive way of knowing.
I do not believe that people of other religions or those who are Atheist will go to hell simply for not believing what I do, that God is above humans. If I am right about the existence of God and his attitude, then I see no drawbacks. If not then I will die and that will be the end of it. So no, not really. But go on.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions You should believe in things because they are true or most likely to be true. It's funny how even though you understand the scientific method, you do not apply it to your own religious claims. Do you care whether whether your scientific research is true? Or do you publish work that makes you feel good regardless of whether you have evidence?
There is a reason why the overwhelming majority of scientists are not religious.
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: This again implies that I believe what you believe. I've had vegans and vegetarians tell me the same thing about eating meat. That it is factually wrong, that what they believe is 100% right.
I do believe I said that if we were getting into what I believe that it wouldn't make sense. Just like I think that the bible isn't the shining way to morality but believe in Jesus. You asked, you got it.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: : Do I care rather something that is improvable is true or not compared to something that is able to be proven...wow, talking to vegs really gets you good at seeing people attempt to lead you in the direction they want.
There is also a reason why correlation isn't causation. Most scientists are atheists. Scientists are smart. Therefore if I am an Atheist, I will be smart. Too bad this is a non sequitur huh?
BLHProductions 1 month ago
Not believing in a god does make you smarter. Just not like believing that Elvis is still alive also makes you smarter.
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: If you had an IQ of 85 and then decided you did not believe in God anymore, you still have an IQ of 85. If you went from being and asshole to Atheists to being an asshole to Christians, nothing has changed except your mind.
Likewise, if you had an IQ of 85 as an Atheist then went on to believe in God, you still have an IQ of 85.
The only thing that changes when you change your mind, is perhaps an ego boost.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions I'm not talking about IQ. I'm not talking about intelligence, I am talking about being smart and those two are not necessarily correlated. There are highly intelligent people that believe in a god. While their belief in a god makes them stupid on that particular belief, there are still as intelligent.
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: So if smarts is not the same as IQ or intelligence then what would it mean? You said smarter, that is synonymous with intelligence.
Why is it stupid to believe in something when you do not know the facts? It's one thing to believe that evolution is false, but you have no more proof that their isn't a god as a theist has that their is.
Do you not find it a bit dumb to call someone stupid based on something you cannot prove either way? (Waits for unicorn argument).
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@BLHProductions Yes, the unicorn argument is completely relevant here. You are giving religious claims far too much credit...gods are nothing more than something that someone made up. I can't disprove someone's god any more than I disprove any number of things they make up.
There is absolutely no evidence to support a belief in any god. Even if someone wishes to disbelieve in all the scientific theories we have, that doesn't lend any credibility to the nonsense they make up.
pickles4all 1 month ago
@pickles4all: I call them beliefs and not claims. I do believe in God but I do not insist I am right. That is why my best friend is an Atheist and I have no problem with homosexuality (though that has more to do with me not minding lesbians).
I believe you think religious people are always crazy, but you can be a good and reasonable person and be religious.
As a counter example, me, talking about evolution. Asked about religion. Said I was Christian. Called an idiot. TheFuck.jpeg
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@pickles4all: I do not believe that a belief in a god is grounds to dismiss science. If it was, then I would be in trouble seeing as I am a Biology Major and believe in evolution (to an extent, but that doesn't has much if anything to do with religion, more being skeptical and inquisitive, and yes, that is ironic).
But I do believe that there is a lot of stupidity tired to religion, but there is stupidity tied to Atheism too. I've seen both atheist forums and christian forums.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
I personally dont give a shit about religion, people believe what they wanna believe, they can't help it :)
monsimand 1 month ago
@monsimand: That is perfectly fine to me.
BLHProductions 1 month ago
@monsimand
With you there, man.
therealcritic28 1 month ago
First.
BLHProductions 1 month ago