Totally agree with Pat. There's generosity, integrity and good taste in good music. I hear demagogy, commercial vulgarity and bad taste in Kenny G's music.
Sounds like a jealous ex lover who has to make himself look like he's something special.
Post 60's/70's Jazz has become highly academic and less about the street, soul and the impoverished ghetto's from where Jazz came from. Most would agree you can't learn any Art from a book...............................it has to be created.
Well, I personally think, Jazz is the epitome of good music. When a person has denounced every pleasure in life, that is jazz. When a musical person has understood the mechanism of music -- that is jazz. To understand jazz, one has to really digest all genre and then move to jazz. Because you'll know why jazz is the father of all music, and where others are pauper compared to jazz.
People can say whatever they want to about smooth jazz, but the bottom line is smooth jazz is a completely different thing than most jazz. Listen to Charlie "Bird" Parker, Sonny Rollins, John Coltrane, Joe Henderson, Sonny Stitt or Chris Potter. Now listen to anything Kenny G has ever recorded. It's adult pop. Kenny plays the way he does to make money. Listen to Charlie Parker. The emotion and feeling in his playing is exponential compared to Kenny's. Pat's quote is spot on, though pretty harsh.
Listen to Kenny G's solo on Earth Wind and Fires "I like the way you move" Than listen to Metheny's songX album. Kenny G whoops his ass. I love Pat's playing but his music school attitude makes look like a chump. There is a lot worse music than Kenny G he is just jealous because Kenny is a better businessman
@grooveunitedvideo just so you know....kenny g has never "whooped anyones ass" musically. especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially not pat metheny's.
@flipadiddle Dude do you have Alzheimer's? Anyways I was thinking more about this. Pat does not play in the tradition of The jazz greats, Wes ,George, Grant, Johnny Smith,Joe Pass ECT...He has a rock, hammer on, approach to bebop which in my opinion does not swing nearly as hard as his idols. So he should STFU. Kenny G has some total bullshit music but don't let that fool you, he can play some shit, check him out with Jeff Lorber. PM has BS music as well especially Song X complete crap.
I thought Pat Metheny played smooth jazz.he doesn't sound like Coltrane or Parker.whatever he calls his music,it's too clean and smooth.give me Louis Armstrong any day! now that's JAZZZZZZZ
I don't think Kenny G or that "smooth jazz" genre are the reasons why most people don't like jazz. It's not accessible like most of the music nowdays where you can turn off your brain. It's like with everything else: people would rather pick up a dumb Paulo Coelho novel than read a book on physics. Kenny G sucks but he's not to blame.
I'm a big fan, but PM is a little harsh. He needs to get off his high horse. He is better musician, composer but I must admit there is a KG tune or two that I've been fond of..."Sade" e.g. though I've never bought anything, not even an MP3, by him. So he crapped on Louis Armstong's grave when he remade WAWW... maybe that was enough for PM.
I like Pat, but I think it's classless to call out a specific musician. He should have just said "Most mainstream jazz is crap". Also, what he says isn't true at all. Most people who like jazz like Kenny G. People who say they don't like jazz won't be swayed by a Metheny album.
Smooth jazz is one of my favourite genres, along jazz fusion and other more contemporary styles of jazz. I do appreciate Kenny G but I would classify his music as ambient music rather than smooth jazz, it's just that musically-illiterate people fail to spot the difference. When I think of smooth jazz, I think of Gerald Albright, Larry Carlton, Nelson Rangell etc. Pat Metheny is one of my favourite composers, but you know, it's just one opinion.
I totally agree with Pat Metheny!!! You cannot call Jazz the so called "Smooth Jazz" can you compare Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker, Ornette Coleman..... with Kenny G. and friends? Please don't call that Jazz!!!!!!!!
@MrRyte only if they are completely uninformed purists. if they knew anything, they would know that pat metheny is an incredible straight ahead musician who is extremely well aware of the tradition and language of jazz, and is someone who has performed extensively with many of its masters. so it's NOT a pointless argument.
Enjoyable what he's saying, but I don't quite agree with him. I think there's worse music than Kenny G. I really do think Kenny G provides a service. Metheny sucks sometimes...actually. And he can be a bit of a cock in person. ;- --
As Jazz has seen its Glories Fade,,,, Its idols Vanish and Stars Decay,,, Yet shall some tribute of regret be paid,,, When her long life has reached its Final Day,,,, Of that which once was great is pass'd away,,, A Pat Metheny Puritan would say,,,,, The Evil Kenny G, Dug its Grave
or..how about the so called dance music you hear in some peoples cars that makes you wonder "why would anyone subject their ears to that, unless maybe they were drinking and in a club?" Pat is amazing, but believe me there is a lot worse out there than Kenny G.. At least there are some changes in Kenny's music, some sort of musicality.It might be "wimpy" yes, but to call the stupidest is actually pretty stupid..Sorry Pat
I adore Pat's music..some of the most artistic stuff ever, but I have to disagree..While you may not like Kenny G's music for one reason or another, I could think of a lot worse "noise" than that..how about some of that insane "devil" worship, Aryan nation scream your head off to a distorted E major chord at insane volume as your hold your guitar down to your knees trying to look like you're actually doing something?!?! I'll take Kenny G over that any day..
wow I didn't know that Metheney was so closed minded.--I dislike kenny g's work but I'd never call it the worst music. I thought Metheney would be a dude who would preach about music's subjectivity, guess not.
I don't particularly like kenny g's music at all but lets all be honest, there iS WAY DUMBER music out there than his, its just sad that his music has to be put in the same category as music from Miles Davis, Sonny Rollins, Lester Young, Micheal Brecker, Cannonball Adderrely, Freddie Hubbard, Wayne Escoffery, Art Pepper, Charlie Parker, pat Metheny, Kenny Garrett, Mcoy Tyner and many other improvised music when it is NOT SIMILAR TO THESE STYLES AT ALL
I slightly agree with Metheny's overall point, but I feel that he definitely didn't need to name names here. Many people do have the wrong idea of jazz and I feel that smooth jazz stuff is rarely an eye-opening musical statement, but calling Kenny G "the dumbest music in the history of human beings" is unnecessary. There are far worse musicians out there, especially in these days.
Ok folks, here's the deal... I've been to many of Pats concerts, been studying his music since the late 70s and I really and truly respect Pat's musical ability, however Kenny is a musician just like Pat and deserves respect for doing what "he can as a musician. Pat is 100% wrong, and actually should apologize 2 Kenny. Pat is "one" of the best guitarist of this era but he's not GOD!
I don't think Metheny was taking a shot at smooth jazz. I think that's been read into his comments. He was referring to Kenny G who overdubbed his sax on Louis Armstrong's What A Wonderful World. What happened was that someone had asked him while on Polish TV what he thought of that recording and then he went off on Kenny G and how defiled the father of jazz. That's it.
From my first day in school I learnt about spelling and orthography, I know to conjugate and to decline, even to declinate. I know about vowels and about consonants.
I know all about antique meters, about alexandrines; - I can recite Dante's poem "The Divine Comedy", word by word, - EVEN IN FOREIGN!!
So why am I not worldfamous, why don't the ladies lavish me with kisses? - Good lord, almighty, WHY?
"somebody who learns you to know about jazz, somebody who knows about it" - this fuckin' stupid idiot isn't just aware of the shit he's talkin' about...
It's not so much the music that suxxx so endlessly, it's the musicians
None of these suckers never ever composed a piece of shit worth to be remembered for a single second in the world's corporate music mind but still have the audacity to rambling about who's a "good" musician and who's not...fucking hell!
@MrMaralisa I'm not saying Metheny is right, he isnt, he is wrong, but so are you. I'm afraid that when you tried to sound clever where mr metheny had failed, you forgot what you were doing and ended up being as ignorant as he is.
That's exactly my take on music: 95% of all(commercial) music is shite, the rest is great, no matter what style it is. So I try not to waste time on the meaningless artists of that 95%.
I think what Pat is pissed off about here is that so many people are turned away from exploring jazz because when they hear the term jazz they immediately think of "smooth jazz" (instrumental pop), and not real jazz, and therefor think jazz is just this soft, boring style of music. They never take the time to listen to people like Parker, Coltrane, Miles, Mingus, etc. because they've already associated jazz as the Kenny G style of music and think that all jazz sounds like that.
Smooth jazz is not real jazz. The only reason people call Kenny G a jazz musician is because he plays a saxophone. Period. The defining characteristic in any form of music is the role of the rhythm section. In jazz it's the swing feel, which is completely lacking in the music of Kenny G and his like. Just like in styles of music like Cuban son or rumba it's the clave. Most idiots will believe that anything is jazz if it's played on a saxophone.
I think he is a little bitter.you have jazz and in jazz you have standard jazz that not everybody like and then you have smooth jazz that brings out certain emotions(smooth chilled emotions)..smooth jazz is nothing but standard jazz mixed with R&B(ryhtm and blues) and can fused with anything..jazz fusion. jazz to me drops in many differeny cterogories to project differeny moods that grabs listeners. smooth jazz is at the top for me.
Pat Metheny is entitled to his opinion, but my question to him is this: Why so bitter after making it big? I don't know if it was such a smart move to criticize Kenny G. After all, if you weren't so ignorant, Pat, then you would take a look at Kenny G's music and his live bands he toured with through the last couple decades. You'll find that Kenny and his musicians can keep up with you any day of the week. Pat, don't shoot yourself in the foot when your music is played on smooth jazz radio.
For fifteen minutes,, Leonardo da Vinci, (metheny) rants at Andy Warhol, (kenny ),,,,,,''''''You took a picture of Marilyn Monroe,,,, colored in the lines,,,,and now some people think you are a better artist than me??,,,Even Mona Lisa would say photography is the Dumbest artistic medium there could possibly be"""""lol
Jealous guy!! but what don't understand Pat is that music could be appreciate for emotion and not only for technic or anything which only stat of mind of musiciens.
I am sure fot that Kenny wins money for that and so what? he works for that...
We could judge Pat on some commercial songs he did...isn't it? musicien must wins money to live...
There are Musicians, and there are posers. Pat Metheny is in the former category. Along with Miles, Bird, Jimi, Trane, Wes, Jamerson. JB, Jaco, Oscar, Joni, Gould,
@n2motocross As a Jazz and Pop and Funk bassplayer, it's not about what we think is jazz or not, it's about what the people like as far as the Melody of the sound. Forget the degree of difficulty as far as the music and the sometimes out of key sounds. People want to here music that sounds good to them that they can relate to. That is what sells. And people buy what they like to here bottom line.
@hillmelvin73 I don't think Metheny is refering to the difficulty level in jazz playing, but on the spirit of it.
I disagree with him in that 95% of jazz sucks, IT'S MORE LIKE 5% OF IT SUCKS, IT'S JUST THAT IT IS PROBABLY THE PART THAT GETS THE MOST DIFUSION: KENNY G, "BOSSA N' SHIT" AND ALL THE OTHER ULTRA COMMERCIAL "ELEVATOR MUSIC" RECORD COMPANIES ARE SELLING AS "JAZZ".
@foooman1 He teached at Berklee when he was 18 and was already a great guitar player at the time (playing with gary burton).
All he's saying is that there's a lot of bad music out there and it's hard to discover the good stuff. Kenny G is a complete asshole because he dubbed a Louis Armstrongs recording with his awful playing which is probably the most disrespectful thing to do in music.
I'm sure he will always support people who try to play jazz whatever level you're playing.
@foooman1 And I doubt he is much more talented and lucky than most of us.. He just worked his ass off (15 hours a day) to get to the level where he is, and he is still doing that.
The mark of a great musician is not only their technical skill but a spiritual insight. An insight that transcends the world of opposition and discrimination. There is no need for condescending remarks about another's music. When we judge others we only condemn ourselves. Who actually benefits from such remarks. Do you think now Kenny G fans are all going to stop listening to his music? Are people who never liked his music now better informed. Who benefits? Only the petty minded.
I don t find Kenny G worse than tons of so called"fantastic" modal jazz players using a meaningless language(monkey-see,monkey-do licks) on one(or two if they are good enough)chords.How many people understand music from inside?How many studied its story since the greek mathematicians to "classic"and post(dodecaphonic,symetric harmony...)and blues/jazz to have an idea of what it is about,not be slaved in light as a feather opinions?Greats like Pat have this knowledge,the privilege to choose.
I like Kenny G. I am not ashamed to say it. Kenny G is very melodic. What constitutes good and bad music is all subjective. People hate Kenny G because they are jealous of him. I listen to all sorts of music. Adderly,Coltrane, Sanborn and Moody are a few of the artists that I listen to. Everyone will not like or even appreciate what a particular artist does. Does Pat Metheny think that he is the ultimate judge of all music.
Pat Metheny blows dead bears on acoustic guitar! He's got no concept for how dynamic balance must be distributed, and his tone, and dynamics is lost in some of the most insipidly noisy, plunky and unfocused available commercially.
@DrumTchr start the argument, shoot your mouth off, run away with your tail between your legs, delete your comments. who's the troll? who's the guy that can analyze chord progressions? back to the studio pops, billy is waiting for his paradiddle lesson
@JazzKeyboardist1 Haha, I love how your spammin that comment everywhere I watch a jazz video, lol. This is like the tenth time I've seen it tonight watching jazz vids.
@JazzKeyboardist1 how absurd, you have no arguments. We've all cut our teeth on Aebersold trane discs, I'd like to see you on the bandstand with your Casio. and you're a dweeby goofball besides. later dad
@"Jazz"Keyboardist1 restored, not changed. big difference, Mr. Casio. Yes, Twain has been desecrated via PC editing, but has anyone actually added their own inane sentences/paragraphs/chapter to classics? Let's hope not, though you seem to be the type that would consider it.
Part of the problem here is certain instrumentalists who traditionally have believed innovative jazz to be their personal domain.The idea of a midwestern longhaired white GUITARIST dominating the modern music scene for a few decades is hard to accept. So hard, they'll ally themselves with smooth jazz hacks, and start dissing a global phenom from their armchairs.
Divine Pat Metheny, Hallowed be thy name,Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, Give us this day our daily jazz that you approve of, and forgive those that listen to Kenny G, lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from the evil KennyG,,,,,,,,
For Pat Metheny is the kingdom, And the power and the glory Forever,,, i don't like kenny, but I think pat doth protest too much, he is just envious that he still has to work and kenny cries all the way to the bank,,
@xsited1 He was asked a question about the recording on TV. What you see on youtube is his statement about his thoughts. Perhaps he could of said no comment but he gave his honest opinion. I'm sure to somebody like Metheny, Louis Armstrong is pretty sacred to his craft. So I can see why he was ticked off.
Is this REALLY Pat Metheny saying this? I don't know his views on anything but I do know that his music speaks to me. This comment by whoever it is by, does not. I'm no fan of Kenny G but many others are and Kenny G. speaks to them similar to how Pat M, musically, speaks to me.
i'm not a fan of kenny g and own none of his cd's. but, someone likes him. he's popular. for some, he can be an entree into jazz that leads to miles davis, keith jarrett, john coltrane, bill evans (just to name a few). for others, kenny g is as far as they want to explore ... most of the public like "fast food", but, some like to explore more sophisticated cuisines. finally, put a microphone in front of anyone and they sometimes say things they wish they hadn't. rants about kenny g are a cliche
@mariothepookster I find that Pat's music is an excellent way to introduce others to jazz because, even though it's very complex, it's also very easy to listen to. Kenny G, on the other hand, plays smooth jazz, a mostly unrelated genre. If you want to get someone to John Coltrane, at least start with a jazz musician. The reason why Kenny G and smooth jazz is so terrible is that people believe that's what jazz is. It gives jazz a bad name.
I think Pat is a great musician, a great guitarist, and an intelligent and articulate guy. However, I think his rant is incredibly mean and presumptuous. You can't blame one man for the pathetic marketing tactics of the music industry, particualrly when, like PM, you've made a decent living out of it. I couldn't care less about Kenny G, but in this business PM comes across like some of the most pathetic, ignorant trolls you often encounter on YT.
@twangbarfly Can't agree, and was happy PM took off the gloves - as were countless other serious musicians. Marketing tactics aside, Gman could refuse to desecrate another's work (esp someone like Armstrong). Just say no, Kenny. Imagine a painter adding a few brushstrokes to the Mona Lisa, an author rewriting a chapter of Huck Finn, an architect tacking a new wing on Falling Water. Why is music any different? Inexcusable.
Ha! Thank you for making another video to my original Metheny rant I posted a few years back. I can't even remember where I originally found that clip, I think probably on a Usenet newsgroup or something a LONG time ago!
I like Kenny G. It's really degrading in my eyes to see a professional artist disrespect another professional artist. Empty pride and despise don't suit anyone anyways. Especially by derrogatory, unfounded, light statements such as "it sucks". By the way, I think Kenny G is far more attractive for introducing people to jazz through the easy jazz door than highly intricate music such as Metheny's. It gets all too personal, too touchy, too irrelevant and fundamentally pointless.
@holierthan I don't agree with you. Kenny G is hardly a door-man because his music is not quite jazz-y other than having sax, but then you could listen to George Michael and it will be the same. Listening to jazz is about massively rewarding high-investment. Kenny G is low investment, so it misses the point. It's cliche too, so there is nothing to be rewarded with.
@holierthan -you need to know the background... kennyg desecrated some hallowed musical ground, and did it for profit. a no-no. metheny stood up for all musicians of integrity, and at the same time (and we're glad he did) called the g-man on what he is: a lameass excuse for a jazz musician, and a consummate lightweight.
@MyMomSaysSo if kenny covered some songs metheny holds sacred, pat should be mad at the composer or the composers estate, not kenny because he needed copyright permission, so kenny then gave money to composers pat holds sacred, sounds respectable to be,,,, also metheny has publisheds a few songbooks, so lame-ass musicians lacking integrity ,like me, could cover his songs, and then butcher them for an audience, the whole thing is ludicrous speed, personally i stopped being a jazz snob,lol
@MyMomSaysSo ,,,dude,,,you make me laugh,,,, Why is it critics like you almost always, have NOT posted any of their own videos to prove they actually have some talent?,,as Mel brooks says, With the birth of the first artist, came the inevitable afterbirth of the critic,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I am retired ,,, just play for fun,
@DrumTchr yes , that was my point, Metheny should be mad at wonderful world composers, AND the estate of just about the best jazz musician of all time, Satchmo,,,, satchmo's estate knew how good or bad kenny was and they allowed him to even use armstrongs video etc, in kennys videos. etc,,,, the necrophilia thing has been done by many people even MLK,jr, but I guess it is ok for the Devine mister metheny to still cover other peoples material, just not kennyg, lol
I know lots of people who dont like jazz because of the Pat Methany's music. YOu can argue all you like, but I play them Pat and they go "OMG that sucks, dude. take it off. Powerdrums....?OMG" etc So you cant blame Kenny G. Imagine John Lennon listening to Pat Methany....mmmmnope....I dont think so. Dick music. For guys.
@GuitarOfTruth The "problem" with jazz is that it's a high-investment music. Sometimes ou it comes to you naturally, but quite often you have to literally crack the password for it before you can tell whether you like it or not. The way I do it is that I just let it play in the background and then I can usually tell later if it grows on me or not. So, people saying "Pat sucks" miss the point. Kenny G on the other hand makes low-investment music, which is contrary to jazz. It's lame-ass shit.
@mrjedidja I agree with you. I just dont agree with Pat's argument. I also agree that kenny g is lame ass shit. But some people just dont like jazz. Its not kenny g's fault. Or pat's. Or coltrane. They find the concept makes them baulk.
About 4 or 5 years ago I attended both nights of an outdoor show of the heaviest players alive. Just mind blowing, exilarating stuff. The "headliner" both nights was Kenny G and he'd came walking slowly through the crowd tooting that horn of his, saying nothing with it, and all the hi so girls were creaming their panties and flicking him for photo opps. I left during his first song both nights.
The issue is that many listeners haven't been educated to hear the difference (and rarely listen to unfamiliar styles). Possible reasons: laziness, easy access to tons of music, the "education system", the "music business", fear/suspicion of the unknown, or a combination of these and other factors. The 95% that Pat refers to simply takes advantage of this. Aside from the naming of names, I think he is saying *Talk to someone knowledgeable and educate yourself. You'll be rewarded for it".
I don't really know anything about Kenny G's playing, but what I do know is, that Smooth Jazz is a real thing... you'll understand that when you check out George Benson's albums: That's Right and Standing Toghether
@odannon So you're saying that Pat Metheny started out as being a genius? No, he worked his ass off, like other most other musicians. Also, where do you get off saying that people can't try making their own music? Pat Metheny has made a style that is very much his own by working it out through lots of practice and trial and error. To demand that all musicians be geniuses is extremely unreasonable, and you should try having a more acceptable stance towards people who are learning.
jazz is great and jazz suck's..so we need both types of players to sustain it as a living art form...Jazz not becoming irrelevant depends on both the kenny g's and pat mentheny's of today
Musicians are so up their own arse when it comes to music or styles of music. This man is a top self player but well are truely up his own arse just like most jazz musicans are.
@Musicartsandcoffee You are right, a lot of Jazz players are really superb, and that does not do any good to our Jazz community. But not Pat; let me assure you, Pat is one of the most humble and nice people you could ever meet. What he is saying in this video is the result of frustration, not of "being so up his own arse".
@Musicartsandcoffee You are right, a lot of Jazz players are really presumptuous, and that does not do any good to our Jazz community. But not Pat; let me assure you, Pat is one of the most humble and nice people you could ever meet. What he is saying in this video is the result of frustration, not of "being so up his own arse".
Please tell me, what is the name of the song in the beginning, i really like the whole song. I heard it one time and was blown away.. but i forgett the name and the band '-.-
In other words Pat should really say, "My jazz style is the best and if you don't like me then you don't know jazz." I think Pat is a superb guitarist and composer but there are other jazz artists I'd prefer to listen to.
@DrumTchr Son, I teach jazz for living... why do you think you're the first and the only one to somehow think that I'm the one who thought Kenny G's last name was Garrett... Get yourself some English comprehension skill when you get a chance to go to school.
@DrumTchr Kenny G never played anything close to great sax in Lorber's band. Are you kidding? No, it's not money and popularity. He simply doesn't know how to play any better. He himself admited it several times. Same pentatonic lick over and over.
@DrumTchr - I can't agree with that one. when those three guys played with Davis, Metheny was already strongly established not only career-wise, but sound-wise. the other three were much more sidemen type of players, Pat is a one-in-a-million star. I don't know his feelings about Ford, but he obviously admires the other two. I can tell you that Stern can only shake his head when the subject of PM comes up. As great as Mike is, Metheny is a whole 'nuther world of musicianship.
@DrumTchr Tours the world, modern jazz guitar hero. Love the guy. But 18 Grammys in 9 or 10 categories, more than anyone in history, countless projects as leader and sideman, soundtracks, orchestration, long form writing, songs he wrote in HS in the fake book, groundbreaking electronic music work, record sales in another league, worldwide fame on another scale. Google Mike Stern: 1.42M results. Pat Metheny: 6, 210,000 results. etc etc Global phenom, agreed. QED (insert emoticon here)
@DrumTchr First of all, you're a drum teacher. That aside, check out The Way Up for an example of long form writing (as opposed to writing short head charts), not to mention orchestrated recordings, soundtracks, etc. Read back on the history of the Synclavier, the guitar synth, and project such as the recent Orchestrion. Pat, of course, the leader in that. Not to take anything away from lots of other greats, but yes...another league. thanks and bye...ba-dum!
@DrumTchr You're the one who can't back up your assertions. You might try that Google thing again. You also might be a good drummer, maybe even a great one, but you're not equipped (obviously) to talk about harmonic/melodic instruments and playing. (more new terms for you) A different world from keeping time, or wasting it. Which brings me to the hole I'm digging: it's for you, and you're now officially buried in it. QED
@DrumTchr ooooh, secondary dominants, you're really getting outside, pops. that, in theory, is true about berklee, but nonetheless many come out of there knowing little beyond their instrument. ask jerry bergonzi about that, or a few other boston guys. i taught a number of them from there, miami, denton, git, mit, who really didn't have it together. no drummers, though. ;) sure, you go ahead and choose any pm tune you want. but since he's not that great, why bother....right?
...And I think Pat is pretty courageous and honest to say something far from the politically correct of our times.
Luciparkjazz1 2 days ago
Totally agree with Pat. There's generosity, integrity and good taste in good music. I hear demagogy, commercial vulgarity and bad taste in Kenny G's music.
Luciparkjazz1 2 days ago
Sounds like a jealous ex lover who has to make himself look like he's something special.
Post 60's/70's Jazz has become highly academic and less about the street, soul and the impoverished ghetto's from where Jazz came from. Most would agree you can't learn any Art from a book...............................it has to be created.
desotoguitar 2 days ago
Well, I personally think, Jazz is the epitome of good music. When a person has denounced every pleasure in life, that is jazz. When a musical person has understood the mechanism of music -- that is jazz. To understand jazz, one has to really digest all genre and then move to jazz. Because you'll know why jazz is the father of all music, and where others are pauper compared to jazz.
nepotiums 4 days ago
People can say whatever they want to about smooth jazz, but the bottom line is smooth jazz is a completely different thing than most jazz. Listen to Charlie "Bird" Parker, Sonny Rollins, John Coltrane, Joe Henderson, Sonny Stitt or Chris Potter. Now listen to anything Kenny G has ever recorded. It's adult pop. Kenny plays the way he does to make money. Listen to Charlie Parker. The emotion and feeling in his playing is exponential compared to Kenny's. Pat's quote is spot on, though pretty harsh.
ianhendersonjazz 4 days ago
Listen to Kenny G's solo on Earth Wind and Fires "I like the way you move" Than listen to Metheny's songX album. Kenny G whoops his ass. I love Pat's playing but his music school attitude makes look like a chump. There is a lot worse music than Kenny G he is just jealous because Kenny is a better businessman
grooveunitedvideo 6 days ago
@grooveunitedvideo just so you know....kenny g has never "whooped anyones ass" musically. especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially, especially not pat metheny's.
flipadiddle 20 hours ago
@flipadiddle Dude do you have Alzheimer's? Anyways I was thinking more about this. Pat does not play in the tradition of The jazz greats, Wes ,George, Grant, Johnny Smith,Joe Pass ECT...He has a rock, hammer on, approach to bebop which in my opinion does not swing nearly as hard as his idols. So he should STFU. Kenny G has some total bullshit music but don't let that fool you, he can play some shit, check him out with Jeff Lorber. PM has BS music as well especially Song X complete crap.
grooveunitedvideo 16 hours ago
I thought Pat Metheny played smooth jazz.he doesn't sound like Coltrane or Parker.whatever he calls his music,it's too clean and smooth.give me Louis Armstrong any day! now that's JAZZZZZZZ
song4night 6 days ago
I don't think Kenny G or that "smooth jazz" genre are the reasons why most people don't like jazz. It's not accessible like most of the music nowdays where you can turn off your brain. It's like with everything else: people would rather pick up a dumb Paulo Coelho novel than read a book on physics. Kenny G sucks but he's not to blame.
Neidhardt84 1 week ago 2
I'm a big fan, but PM is a little harsh. He needs to get off his high horse. He is better musician, composer but I must admit there is a KG tune or two that I've been fond of..."Sade" e.g. though I've never bought anything, not even an MP3, by him. So he crapped on Louis Armstong's grave when he remade WAWW... maybe that was enough for PM.
SeanMCMLXVI 1 week ago
I like Pat, but I think it's classless to call out a specific musician. He should have just said "Most mainstream jazz is crap". Also, what he says isn't true at all. Most people who like jazz like Kenny G. People who say they don't like jazz won't be swayed by a Metheny album.
Sunderlanding 1 week ago
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"Most people who like jazz like Kenny G" ???
Are you serious ? Oo
That's not jazz in the first place, how could a, say, Archie Shepp or Milt Jackson lover ever find any kind of satisfaction in smooth pop crap?
I agree it is somewhat a lack of style trashing a person's name rather than the genre, but basically Pat is right.
Jazz lovers would rather listen to celtic folk for a change or even the few not lame songs around than Kenny G's stuff cmon...
@Neidhardt84
Agreed on Coelho's crap lol
SquigglyJ0e 6 days ago
metheny is "jazz light" he has little room to talk
BerserkaViking 1 week ago
Smooth jazz is one of my favourite genres, along jazz fusion and other more contemporary styles of jazz. I do appreciate Kenny G but I would classify his music as ambient music rather than smooth jazz, it's just that musically-illiterate people fail to spot the difference. When I think of smooth jazz, I think of Gerald Albright, Larry Carlton, Nelson Rangell etc. Pat Metheny is one of my favourite composers, but you know, it's just one opinion.
altrogeruvah 1 week ago
I totally agree with Pat Metheny!!! You cannot call Jazz the so called "Smooth Jazz" can you compare Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker, Ornette Coleman..... with Kenny G. and friends? Please don't call that Jazz!!!!!!!!
genio957 1 week ago
He is so, so right.
baaaarnsey 1 week ago
I'd be willing to bet that there are some jazz purists that don't consider Pat Metheny a real jazz artist so this is a pointless argument.
MrRyte 1 week ago
@MrRyte only if they are completely uninformed purists. if they knew anything, they would know that pat metheny is an incredible straight ahead musician who is extremely well aware of the tradition and language of jazz, and is someone who has performed extensively with many of its masters. so it's NOT a pointless argument.
flipadiddle 1 week ago
Enjoyable what he's saying, but I don't quite agree with him. I think there's worse music than Kenny G. I really do think Kenny G provides a service. Metheny sucks sometimes...actually. And he can be a bit of a cock in person. ;- --
astroscorp2 1 week ago
As Jazz has seen its Glories Fade,,,, Its idols Vanish and Stars Decay,,, Yet shall some tribute of regret be paid,,, When her long life has reached its Final Day,,,, Of that which once was great is pass'd away,,, A Pat Metheny Puritan would say,,,,, The Evil Kenny G, Dug its Grave
JazzKeyboardist1 2 weeks ago 16
Amen Pat! After 18 Grammy's, voted best guitarist 3 times by downbeat magazine and numerous other awards, I'd say he is an authority on the subject.
Ybarramusic 2 weeks ago
This is one opinion, not general facts :(
I found to jazz very fast and not only 5% are good nor in Rock N' Roll.
You can't simply generalize and then even compare with pop music... wtf
80sMeavyHetal 2 weeks ago
or..how about the so called dance music you hear in some peoples cars that makes you wonder "why would anyone subject their ears to that, unless maybe they were drinking and in a club?" Pat is amazing, but believe me there is a lot worse out there than Kenny G.. At least there are some changes in Kenny's music, some sort of musicality.It might be "wimpy" yes, but to call the stupidest is actually pretty stupid..Sorry Pat
mister088 2 weeks ago
@mister088 I see what you are saying....but Kenny G is indeed the worst of all possible music.
GaryLPuckett 2 weeks ago
I adore Pat's music..some of the most artistic stuff ever, but I have to disagree..While you may not like Kenny G's music for one reason or another, I could think of a lot worse "noise" than that..how about some of that insane "devil" worship, Aryan nation scream your head off to a distorted E major chord at insane volume as your hold your guitar down to your knees trying to look like you're actually doing something?!?! I'll take Kenny G over that any day..
mister088 2 weeks ago
Too bad Jazz-Fusion isn't Jazz either.
TourettesPig 3 weeks ago
wow I didn't know that Metheney was so closed minded.--I dislike kenny g's work but I'd never call it the worst music. I thought Metheney would be a dude who would preach about music's subjectivity, guess not.
brooklynstudio 3 weeks ago
Gosh...I don't like Kenny G's music either...but I have heard some Pat Metheny music being played on elevators.
strungin6 1 month ago
Its like putting justin beiber in the same category with heavy metal, then all the rock snobs wud come out yelling
coltoncrawfordjazz 1 month ago
I don't particularly like kenny g's music at all but lets all be honest, there iS WAY DUMBER music out there than his, its just sad that his music has to be put in the same category as music from Miles Davis, Sonny Rollins, Lester Young, Micheal Brecker, Cannonball Adderrely, Freddie Hubbard, Wayne Escoffery, Art Pepper, Charlie Parker, pat Metheny, Kenny Garrett, Mcoy Tyner and many other improvised music when it is NOT SIMILAR TO THESE STYLES AT ALL
coltoncrawfordjazz 1 month ago
I slightly agree with Metheny's overall point, but I feel that he definitely didn't need to name names here. Many people do have the wrong idea of jazz and I feel that smooth jazz stuff is rarely an eye-opening musical statement, but calling Kenny G "the dumbest music in the history of human beings" is unnecessary. There are far worse musicians out there, especially in these days.
jacobtheguitarfreak 1 month ago
Ok folks, here's the deal... I've been to many of Pats concerts, been studying his music since the late 70s and I really and truly respect Pat's musical ability, however Kenny is a musician just like Pat and deserves respect for doing what "he can as a musician. Pat is 100% wrong, and actually should apologize 2 Kenny. Pat is "one" of the best guitarist of this era but he's not GOD!
JZZNUP 1 month ago 2
whats the song playing at intro and outro?
wildsnydon 1 month ago
@wildsnydon Hocus Pocus by Focus
ccrstucook 1 month ago
Bang on. Very well said.
It goes for every genre. Normally, I hate Jazz, too.
But my signature song on guitar is... a Pat Metheny song! (Last Train Home)
preceeding 1 month ago
I don't think Metheny was taking a shot at smooth jazz. I think that's been read into his comments. He was referring to Kenny G who overdubbed his sax on Louis Armstrong's What A Wonderful World. What happened was that someone had asked him while on Polish TV what he thought of that recording and then he went off on Kenny G and how defiled the father of jazz. That's it.
darkoanton5 1 month ago
The scholar's lament:
From my first day in school I learnt about spelling and orthography, I know to conjugate and to decline, even to declinate. I know about vowels and about consonants.
I know all about antique meters, about alexandrines; - I can recite Dante's poem "The Divine Comedy", word by word, - EVEN IN FOREIGN!!
So why am I not worldfamous, why don't the ladies lavish me with kisses? - Good lord, almighty, WHY?
From above: "You have no stories, STOOOPID!"
(Same with, er, jazz music...)
MrMaralisa 1 month ago
"somebody who learns you to know about jazz, somebody who knows about it" - this fuckin' stupid idiot isn't just aware of the shit he's talkin' about...
It's not so much the music that suxxx so endlessly, it's the musicians
None of these suckers never ever composed a piece of shit worth to be remembered for a single second in the world's corporate music mind but still have the audacity to rambling about who's a "good" musician and who's not...fucking hell!
Jazz is dead and foul smelling. PERIOD!
MrMaralisa 1 month ago
@MrMaralisa I'm not saying Metheny is right, he isnt, he is wrong, but so are you. I'm afraid that when you tried to sound clever where mr metheny had failed, you forgot what you were doing and ended up being as ignorant as he is.
vithaj92 1 month ago
@vithaj92 : Yes, you're right!
...but way too clever for me, sorry!
MrBaebel 1 month ago
@MrBaebel Huh? :D
vithaj92 1 month ago
Pat is right on here. His "closed mindeness" is someone elses "ignorance"
trombonepenguin 1 month ago
what the hell are people defending kenny g in this video???
name a single musician that says they we're influenced by kenny g in their award speech...
glasspig 1 month ago
Kenny G's music is Fusak, boring? yes, stupid? maybe, but to some people, that's OK, to each his own.
TheDarkprinceofjazz 1 month ago
Kenny G is OK. There is much worse music.
Frisbieinstein 1 month ago
That's exactly my take on music: 95% of all(commercial) music is shite, the rest is great, no matter what style it is. So I try not to waste time on the meaningless artists of that 95%.
MaghoxFr 1 month ago
Five people listen to Kenny G!!
"have you ever heard" Pat? I don't think so...
padia988 2 months ago
I think what Pat is pissed off about here is that so many people are turned away from exploring jazz because when they hear the term jazz they immediately think of "smooth jazz" (instrumental pop), and not real jazz, and therefor think jazz is just this soft, boring style of music. They never take the time to listen to people like Parker, Coltrane, Miles, Mingus, etc. because they've already associated jazz as the Kenny G style of music and think that all jazz sounds like that.
WindyCityJazz 2 months ago
Smooth jazz is not real jazz. The only reason people call Kenny G a jazz musician is because he plays a saxophone. Period. The defining characteristic in any form of music is the role of the rhythm section. In jazz it's the swing feel, which is completely lacking in the music of Kenny G and his like. Just like in styles of music like Cuban son or rumba it's the clave. Most idiots will believe that anything is jazz if it's played on a saxophone.
WindyCityJazz 2 months ago 2
It just can't be Pat saying such crap...he's mature enough for that - you know? I'm not a fan of Kenny's style but...such words are really immature.
FloripaGuitar55 2 months ago
I think he is a little bitter.you have jazz and in jazz you have standard jazz that not everybody like and then you have smooth jazz that brings out certain emotions(smooth chilled emotions)..smooth jazz is nothing but standard jazz mixed with R&B(ryhtm and blues) and can fused with anything..jazz fusion. jazz to me drops in many differeny cterogories to project differeny moods that grabs listeners. smooth jazz is at the top for me.
MDefsquad9 2 months ago
Pat Metheny is entitled to his opinion, but my question to him is this: Why so bitter after making it big? I don't know if it was such a smart move to criticize Kenny G. After all, if you weren't so ignorant, Pat, then you would take a look at Kenny G's music and his live bands he toured with through the last couple decades. You'll find that Kenny and his musicians can keep up with you any day of the week. Pat, don't shoot yourself in the foot when your music is played on smooth jazz radio.
leadsled82 2 months ago
now that was pretty funny
Gashy42 2 months ago
LOL Pat man made me laugh, no room for kenny g in his record collection
jimmyyazz 2 months ago
I agree with Pat's comment on Kenny G music, and on Rock and Pop music as well.
Comercial music, whichever sticker they place on it, many times is not expression of creativity and human intelligence.
Just like Michael Jackson was celebrated as king of the Pop, and the majority of his things are nothing more than rubbish.
As Bruce Hornsby sad in one song, that's just the way it is.
IlPIB 2 months ago
i like how theres only 4 dislikes
tingtingtating 2 months ago
Dying of laughing so hard!!!
STEAMWORKER 2 months ago
For fifteen minutes,, Leonardo da Vinci, (metheny) rants at Andy Warhol, (kenny ),,,,,,''''''You took a picture of Marilyn Monroe,,,, colored in the lines,,,,and now some people think you are a better artist than me??,,,Even Mona Lisa would say photography is the Dumbest artistic medium there could possibly be"""""lol
JazzKeyboardist1 2 months ago 56
Jealous guy!! but what don't understand Pat is that music could be appreciate for emotion and not only for technic or anything which only stat of mind of musiciens.
I am sure fot that Kenny wins money for that and so what? he works for that...
We could judge Pat on some commercial songs he did...isn't it? musicien must wins money to live...
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bruce68 3 months ago
There are Musicians, and there are posers. Pat Metheny is in the former category. Along with Miles, Bird, Jimi, Trane, Wes, Jamerson. JB, Jaco, Oscar, Joni, Gould,
and so on.
namtil 3 months ago
Pat is 1000% Correct because he is the Chuck Norris of guitar.
n2motocross 3 months ago
@n2motocross As a Jazz and Pop and Funk bassplayer, it's not about what we think is jazz or not, it's about what the people like as far as the Melody of the sound. Forget the degree of difficulty as far as the music and the sometimes out of key sounds. People want to here music that sounds good to them that they can relate to. That is what sells. And people buy what they like to here bottom line.
hillmelvin73 3 months ago
@hillmelvin73 Very nicely stated. I agree with that.
n2motocross 3 months ago
@hillmelvin73 I don't think Metheny is refering to the difficulty level in jazz playing, but on the spirit of it.
I disagree with him in that 95% of jazz sucks, IT'S MORE LIKE 5% OF IT SUCKS, IT'S JUST THAT IT IS PROBABLY THE PART THAT GETS THE MOST DIFUSION: KENNY G, "BOSSA N' SHIT" AND ALL THE OTHER ULTRA COMMERCIAL "ELEVATOR MUSIC" RECORD COMPANIES ARE SELLING AS "JAZZ".
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foooman1 3 months ago
@foooman1 He teached at Berklee when he was 18 and was already a great guitar player at the time (playing with gary burton).
All he's saying is that there's a lot of bad music out there and it's hard to discover the good stuff. Kenny G is a complete asshole because he dubbed a Louis Armstrongs recording with his awful playing which is probably the most disrespectful thing to do in music.
I'm sure he will always support people who try to play jazz whatever level you're playing.
doedelie 3 months ago
@foooman1 And I doubt he is much more talented and lucky than most of us.. He just worked his ass off (15 hours a day) to get to the level where he is, and he is still doing that.
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@doedelie i DO appreciate your opinion- cheers mate
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JazzKeyboardist1 3 months ago 11
The mark of a great musician is not only their technical skill but a spiritual insight. An insight that transcends the world of opposition and discrimination. There is no need for condescending remarks about another's music. When we judge others we only condemn ourselves. Who actually benefits from such remarks. Do you think now Kenny G fans are all going to stop listening to his music? Are people who never liked his music now better informed. Who benefits? Only the petty minded.
lsmith869 3 months ago
I don t find Kenny G worse than tons of so called"fantastic" modal jazz players using a meaningless language(monkey-see,monkey-do licks) on one(or two if they are good enough)chords.How many people understand music from inside?How many studied its story since the greek mathematicians to "classic"and post(dodecaphonic,symetric harmony...)and blues/jazz to have an idea of what it is about,not be slaved in light as a feather opinions?Greats like Pat have this knowledge,the privilege to choose.
jltei 3 months ago
Kenny G. is playing music for money and only. That is not a music, but just sounds that is CUMing out from his saxophone.
I rather shoot in my face, than listen to that poor saxophone playing disaster!
Have a good day! ;)
rudolfs1992 3 months ago
I like Kenny G. I am not ashamed to say it. Kenny G is very melodic. What constitutes good and bad music is all subjective. People hate Kenny G because they are jealous of him. I listen to all sorts of music. Adderly,Coltrane, Sanborn and Moody are a few of the artists that I listen to. Everyone will not like or even appreciate what a particular artist does. Does Pat Metheny think that he is the ultimate judge of all music.
gospelsax1 4 months ago
@gospelsax1 spare me
ConservativeAnthem 4 months ago
Pat Metheny blows dead bears on acoustic guitar! He's got no concept for how dynamic balance must be distributed, and his tone, and dynamics is lost in some of the most insipidly noisy, plunky and unfocused available commercially.
ChicaWolverina 4 months ago
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ChicaWolverina 4 months ago
@DrumTchr start the argument, shoot your mouth off, run away with your tail between your legs, delete your comments. who's the troll? who's the guy that can analyze chord progressions? back to the studio pops, billy is waiting for his paradiddle lesson
MyMomSaysSo 4 months ago
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JazzKeyboardist1 4 months ago 58
@JazzKeyboardist1 ahh now i understand your comment xD
is that real? did he say that ? ^^
greetings and respect JJ
JJStuffEngineering 3 months ago
@JazzKeyboardist1 Haha, I love how your spammin that comment everywhere I watch a jazz video, lol. This is like the tenth time I've seen it tonight watching jazz vids.
AmericanDiaz 3 months ago
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@JazzKeyboardist1 how absurd, you have no arguments. We've all cut our teeth on Aebersold trane discs, I'd like to see you on the bandstand with your Casio. and you're a dweeby goofball besides. later dad
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@"Jazz"Keyboardist1 restored, not changed. big difference, Mr. Casio. Yes, Twain has been desecrated via PC editing, but has anyone actually added their own inane sentences/paragraphs/chapter to classics? Let's hope not, though you seem to be the type that would consider it.
MyMomSaysSo 4 months ago
Part of the problem here is certain instrumentalists who traditionally have believed innovative jazz to be their personal domain.The idea of a midwestern longhaired white GUITARIST dominating the modern music scene for a few decades is hard to accept. So hard, they'll ally themselves with smooth jazz hacks, and start dissing a global phenom from their armchairs.
MyMomSaysSo 5 months ago
Divine Pat Metheny, Hallowed be thy name,Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, Give us this day our daily jazz that you approve of, and forgive those that listen to Kenny G, lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from the evil KennyG,,,,,,,,
For Pat Metheny is the kingdom, And the power and the glory Forever,,, i don't like kenny, but I think pat doth protest too much, he is just envious that he still has to work and kenny cries all the way to the bank,,
JazzKeyboardist1 5 months ago
Kenny G sucks, but Pat Metheny should keep his comments to himself IMO. He comes off as a pompous ass.
xsited1 5 months ago
@xsited1 you might look into what prompted metheny's remarks, and then you'd understand. and yes, kennyg is awful.
MyMomSaysSo 5 months ago
@xsited1 He was asked a question about the recording on TV. What you see on youtube is his statement about his thoughts. Perhaps he could of said no comment but he gave his honest opinion. I'm sure to somebody like Metheny, Louis Armstrong is pretty sacred to his craft. So I can see why he was ticked off.
darkoanton5 1 month ago
fucking right
MrMojoRisinn 5 months ago
Also, to hell with people trying to kill these kinds of discussions. Everyone has the right to criticize each other's music, get on with it.
mrjedidja 5 months ago
Is this REALLY Pat Metheny saying this? I don't know his views on anything but I do know that his music speaks to me. This comment by whoever it is by, does not. I'm no fan of Kenny G but many others are and Kenny G. speaks to them similar to how Pat M, musically, speaks to me.
teagreentree 6 months ago
i'm not a fan of kenny g and own none of his cd's. but, someone likes him. he's popular. for some, he can be an entree into jazz that leads to miles davis, keith jarrett, john coltrane, bill evans (just to name a few). for others, kenny g is as far as they want to explore ... most of the public like "fast food", but, some like to explore more sophisticated cuisines. finally, put a microphone in front of anyone and they sometimes say things they wish they hadn't. rants about kenny g are a cliche
mariothepookster 6 months ago
@mariothepookster I find that Pat's music is an excellent way to introduce others to jazz because, even though it's very complex, it's also very easy to listen to. Kenny G, on the other hand, plays smooth jazz, a mostly unrelated genre. If you want to get someone to John Coltrane, at least start with a jazz musician. The reason why Kenny G and smooth jazz is so terrible is that people believe that's what jazz is. It gives jazz a bad name.
Mattspaiser 6 months ago
I think Pat is a great musician, a great guitarist, and an intelligent and articulate guy. However, I think his rant is incredibly mean and presumptuous. You can't blame one man for the pathetic marketing tactics of the music industry, particualrly when, like PM, you've made a decent living out of it. I couldn't care less about Kenny G, but in this business PM comes across like some of the most pathetic, ignorant trolls you often encounter on YT.
twangbarfly 7 months ago 2
@twangbarfly Can't agree, and was happy PM took off the gloves - as were countless other serious musicians. Marketing tactics aside, Gman could refuse to desecrate another's work (esp someone like Armstrong). Just say no, Kenny. Imagine a painter adding a few brushstrokes to the Mona Lisa, an author rewriting a chapter of Huck Finn, an architect tacking a new wing on Falling Water. Why is music any different? Inexcusable.
MyMomSaysSo 5 months ago
Ha! Thank you for making another video to my original Metheny rant I posted a few years back. I can't even remember where I originally found that clip, I think probably on a Usenet newsgroup or something a LONG time ago!
stevem7 7 months ago
Ironic how Pat's music is now part of mainstream Smooth Jazz playlists ...
Odiculeoj 7 months ago
I like Kenny G. It's really degrading in my eyes to see a professional artist disrespect another professional artist. Empty pride and despise don't suit anyone anyways. Especially by derrogatory, unfounded, light statements such as "it sucks". By the way, I think Kenny G is far more attractive for introducing people to jazz through the easy jazz door than highly intricate music such as Metheny's. It gets all too personal, too touchy, too irrelevant and fundamentally pointless.
holierthan 7 months ago
@holierthan I don't agree with you. Kenny G is hardly a door-man because his music is not quite jazz-y other than having sax, but then you could listen to George Michael and it will be the same. Listening to jazz is about massively rewarding high-investment. Kenny G is low investment, so it misses the point. It's cliche too, so there is nothing to be rewarded with.
mrjedidja 5 months ago
@holierthan -you need to know the background... kennyg desecrated some hallowed musical ground, and did it for profit. a no-no. metheny stood up for all musicians of integrity, and at the same time (and we're glad he did) called the g-man on what he is: a lameass excuse for a jazz musician, and a consummate lightweight.
MyMomSaysSo 5 months ago
@MyMomSaysSo if kenny covered some songs metheny holds sacred, pat should be mad at the composer or the composers estate, not kenny because he needed copyright permission, so kenny then gave money to composers pat holds sacred, sounds respectable to be,,,, also metheny has publisheds a few songbooks, so lame-ass musicians lacking integrity ,like me, could cover his songs, and then butcher them for an audience, the whole thing is ludicrous speed, personally i stopped being a jazz snob,lol
JazzKeyboardist1 5 months ago
@JazzKeyboardist1 you seem ignorant of the incident in question, which goes beyond covering a song.
"i stopped being a jazz snob" we noticed
" lame-ass musicians lacking integrity ,like me" saw your channel, agreed
MyMomSaysSo 5 months ago
@MyMomSaysSo ,,,dude,,,you make me laugh,,,, Why is it critics like you almost always, have NOT posted any of their own videos to prove they actually have some talent?,,as Mel brooks says, With the birth of the first artist, came the inevitable afterbirth of the critic,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I am retired ,,, just play for fun,
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DrumTchr 5 months ago
@DrumTchr yes , that was my point, Metheny should be mad at wonderful world composers, AND the estate of just about the best jazz musician of all time, Satchmo,,,, satchmo's estate knew how good or bad kenny was and they allowed him to even use armstrongs video etc, in kennys videos. etc,,,, the necrophilia thing has been done by many people even MLK,jr, but I guess it is ok for the Devine mister metheny to still cover other peoples material, just not kennyg, lol
JazzKeyboardist1 5 months ago 2
@"Jazz"Keyboardist1 You're obviously the one with the envy problem. Saw your channel, you and the Gman are perfect for each other. bye
MyMomSaysSo 5 months ago
@JazzKeyboardist1 You make a great point. In this case it wasn't just Kenny G but the owners of the Louis Armstrong recording who are to blame.
darkoanton5 1 month ago
@DrumTchr good call, teach
MyMomSaysSo 5 months ago
I know lots of people who dont like jazz because of the Pat Methany's music. YOu can argue all you like, but I play them Pat and they go "OMG that sucks, dude. take it off. Powerdrums....?OMG" etc So you cant blame Kenny G. Imagine John Lennon listening to Pat Methany....mmmmnope....I dont think so. Dick music. For guys.
GuitarOfTruth 7 months ago
@GuitarOfTruth The "problem" with jazz is that it's a high-investment music. Sometimes ou it comes to you naturally, but quite often you have to literally crack the password for it before you can tell whether you like it or not. The way I do it is that I just let it play in the background and then I can usually tell later if it grows on me or not. So, people saying "Pat sucks" miss the point. Kenny G on the other hand makes low-investment music, which is contrary to jazz. It's lame-ass shit.
mrjedidja 5 months ago
@mrjedidja I agree with you. I just dont agree with Pat's argument. I also agree that kenny g is lame ass shit. But some people just dont like jazz. Its not kenny g's fault. Or pat's. Or coltrane. They find the concept makes them baulk.
GuitarOfTruth 5 months ago
@GuitarOfTruth Ah right, I see what you're getting at. But I think he was merely talking about aspiring musicians, no? Not the casual folks.
mrjedidja 5 months ago
About 4 or 5 years ago I attended both nights of an outdoor show of the heaviest players alive. Just mind blowing, exilarating stuff. The "headliner" both nights was Kenny G and he'd came walking slowly through the crowd tooting that horn of his, saying nothing with it, and all the hi so girls were creaming their panties and flicking him for photo opps. I left during his first song both nights.
walktheworld 8 months ago
The issue is that many listeners haven't been educated to hear the difference (and rarely listen to unfamiliar styles). Possible reasons: laziness, easy access to tons of music, the "education system", the "music business", fear/suspicion of the unknown, or a combination of these and other factors. The 95% that Pat refers to simply takes advantage of this. Aside from the naming of names, I think he is saying *Talk to someone knowledgeable and educate yourself. You'll be rewarded for it".
namtil 8 months ago
I don't really know anything about Kenny G's playing, but what I do know is, that Smooth Jazz is a real thing... you'll understand that when you check out George Benson's albums: That's Right and Standing Toghether
tavadigelovani 8 months ago
They both suck. Crackers can't play jazz. They have no soul.
ALLOFMYLOVE4U 9 months ago
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Just like African Americans can't learn to speak German, right? Well that's about equally as stupid as your statement.
porchdog1961 9 months ago
@ALLOFMYLOVE4U wow i don't care how lame Kenny G is , you sound like a ignorant racist piece of shit.
exactlywhatisaid 8 months ago
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DrumTchr 5 months ago
I love the 1-0 bit at the end-very funny :-)
Scinders 9 months ago
AMAZING PAT METHENY !!...and genius is a MUSICIAN
well today there much people wich buy a guitar, amp..etc made their own rock-band, and after that make their music wich really SUCKS!!
what we really NEED are real MUSICIANS.. and at least the Jazz gives a space for them
odannon 10 months ago
@odannon So you're saying that Pat Metheny started out as being a genius? No, he worked his ass off, like other most other musicians. Also, where do you get off saying that people can't try making their own music? Pat Metheny has made a style that is very much his own by working it out through lots of practice and trial and error. To demand that all musicians be geniuses is extremely unreasonable, and you should try having a more acceptable stance towards people who are learning.
JazzBrosif 8 months ago
jazz is great and jazz suck's..so we need both types of players to sustain it as a living art form...Jazz not becoming irrelevant depends on both the kenny g's and pat mentheny's of today
loslo 10 months ago
Imagine waht he would say about Just... B...
Arth668 10 months ago
"Kenny G is...the worst music in the history of human beings"
Pat is dead wrong on this one. There's always Brokencyde.
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NothingonTF 10 months ago
Pat is now my fav spokes person. Ive been saying that about Kenny G for the longest and im a Jazz fan lol. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BigBozy53 11 months ago 2
Musicians are so up their own arse when it comes to music or styles of music. This man is a top self player but well are truely up his own arse just like most jazz musicans are.
Musicartsandcoffee 1 year ago
@Musicartsandcoffee You are right, a lot of Jazz players are really superb, and that does not do any good to our Jazz community. But not Pat; let me assure you, Pat is one of the most humble and nice people you could ever meet. What he is saying in this video is the result of frustration, not of "being so up his own arse".
pierluigisal 10 months ago 2
@Musicartsandcoffee You are right, a lot of Jazz players are really presumptuous, and that does not do any good to our Jazz community. But not Pat; let me assure you, Pat is one of the most humble and nice people you could ever meet. What he is saying in this video is the result of frustration, not of "being so up his own arse".
pierluigisal 10 months ago 8
Please tell me, what is the name of the song in the beginning, i really like the whole song. I heard it one time and was blown away.. but i forgett the name and the band '-.-
Help!
flashmaster1990 1 year ago
@flashmaster1990 hocus pocus by focus
lralbrecht 11 months ago
I can imagine much worse music than Kenny G.
RapedSnowwhite 1 year ago
In other words Pat should really say, "My jazz style is the best and if you don't like me then you don't know jazz." I think Pat is a superb guitarist and composer but there are other jazz artists I'd prefer to listen to.
Musicartsandcoffee 1 year ago 2
@Musicartsandcoffee nah. what he really says is, that kenny g is the suckerest sucker being called a jazz musician
rioted 1 year ago
fuck yeah! tell it like it is pat!
jb70 1 year ago
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DrumTchr 1 year ago
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jihoonbach 1 year ago
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@DrumTchr Son, I teach jazz for living... why do you think you're the first and the only one to somehow think that I'm the one who thought Kenny G's last name was Garrett... Get yourself some English comprehension skill when you get a chance to go to school.
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DrumTchr 1 year ago
@DrumTchr Kenny G never played anything close to great sax in Lorber's band. Are you kidding? No, it's not money and popularity. He simply doesn't know how to play any better. He himself admited it several times. Same pentatonic lick over and over.
jihoonbach 1 year ago
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DrumTchr 1 year ago
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DrumTchr 1 year ago
@DrumTchr - I can't agree with that one. when those three guys played with Davis, Metheny was already strongly established not only career-wise, but sound-wise. the other three were much more sidemen type of players, Pat is a one-in-a-million star. I don't know his feelings about Ford, but he obviously admires the other two. I can tell you that Stern can only shake his head when the subject of PM comes up. As great as Mike is, Metheny is a whole 'nuther world of musicianship.
MyMomSaysSo 5 months ago
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DrumTchr 5 months ago
@DrumTchr I interviewed him. Stern is a monster, we all know that; PM is global phenomenon.
MyMomSaysSo 5 months ago
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DrumTchr 5 months ago
@DrumTchr Tours the world, modern jazz guitar hero. Love the guy. But 18 Grammys in 9 or 10 categories, more than anyone in history, countless projects as leader and sideman, soundtracks, orchestration, long form writing, songs he wrote in HS in the fake book, groundbreaking electronic music work, record sales in another league, worldwide fame on another scale. Google Mike Stern: 1.42M results. Pat Metheny: 6, 210,000 results. etc etc Global phenom, agreed. QED (insert emoticon here)
MyMomSaysSo 5 months ago
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DrumTchr 5 months ago
@DrumTchr First of all, you're a drum teacher. That aside, check out The Way Up for an example of long form writing (as opposed to writing short head charts), not to mention orchestrated recordings, soundtracks, etc. Read back on the history of the Synclavier, the guitar synth, and project such as the recent Orchestrion. Pat, of course, the leader in that. Not to take anything away from lots of other greats, but yes...another league. thanks and bye...ba-dum!
MyMomSaysSo 5 months ago
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DrumTchr 4 months ago
@DrumTchr :) it's 3:30, school's out, don't you have a lesson to teach?
MyMomSaysSo 4 months ago
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DrumTchr 4 months ago
@DrumTchr You're the one who can't back up your assertions. You might try that Google thing again. You also might be a good drummer, maybe even a great one, but you're not equipped (obviously) to talk about harmonic/melodic instruments and playing. (more new terms for you) A different world from keeping time, or wasting it. Which brings me to the hole I'm digging: it's for you, and you're now officially buried in it. QED
MyMomSaysSo 4 months ago
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DrumTchr 4 months ago
@DrumTchr ooooh, secondary dominants, you're really getting outside, pops. that, in theory, is true about berklee, but nonetheless many come out of there knowing little beyond their instrument. ask jerry bergonzi about that, or a few other boston guys. i taught a number of them from there, miami, denton, git, mit, who really didn't have it together. no drummers, though. ;) sure, you go ahead and choose any pm tune you want. but since he's not that great, why bother....right?
MyMomSaysSo 4 months ago
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DrumTchr 4 months ago