Battle of the Talas River

[morerad123]

Lol. the only thing identifing the muslims in this video is the turban. in real life, muslims wore metal caps and chain armor while the chinises wore lamellar.

[MrLantean]

Scholars are still debating whether the battle at Talas an actual battle or just a border skirmish. This conflict is the first and only armed conflict between a Chinese army and an Arab Muslim army. The Arab Muslim victory changed the outcome as over the centuries, Turkic people began to embrace Islam. It was Turkic Muslims that influenced many aspects of Islamic identity. The crescent was originally a Turkic symbol became a universal Islamic symbol.

[TheXanian]

@MrLantean

Chinese historical records suggest that during the battle of Talas, Arabian troops outnumbered Tang troops. There were approximately 70000 to 100000 Arabian troops, while there were only 20000 to 30000 Tang troops.

[MrLantean]

@TheXanian Chinese records mentioned 30,000 Tang soldiers while Arab sources mentioned 100,000 Tang soldiers. Other than Tang Chinese and Arab Muslims, there were Tibetan and Turkic troops as well. The reason that the Tang Chinese lost because their Qarluq Turkic allies switch sides during the battle. Although considered a Chinese defeat, it halted Muslim eastward expansion. Centre Asia was placed under Muslim influence. Islam entered China through trade instead of miltary conquest.

[TheXanian]

Nice cartoon, but I have to say that it's not historically accurate. Tang Dynasty troops did not wear Qipao.Qipao was a Manchurian dress and it was introduced to China in the 17th century when the nomadic Manchurians conquered Chinese Ming Dynasty. Chinese people at Tang Dynasty wore Han Biuk (漢服). Han Biuk was an ancient Chinese dress, similar to modern day Japanese kimono.

[Kra7as]

Dude I could really go on but I'm tired of typing all that shit. So do they teach you all that in school? No? That's because they don't want you to know. They want you to remain ignorant so they could go on invading and occupying the Middle East. Anyways, as I said, I realize that China is one of the greatest nations in the world but nothing can be compared to the greatness of the Middle East. Not even the glorious China. However, I think that China comes second.

[Kra7as]

Magnifying glasses were invented in Baghdad

Time was 'invented' in Iraq

Astronomical clocks with alarms were invented in Baghdad

Diaries were invented in Syria

Carpets were invented in Persia

Fireproof paper, glow-in-the-dark ink, rust-free iron, and waterproof textile were all invented by one single man in Baghdad

Guitars and lutes were invented somewhere in the Middle East

Philosophy was 'invented' by Iraqis in Mesopotamia ( Iraq )

Math was invented in Iraq

The first religion ever was in Iraq

[nomooon]

@Kra7as

magnifying glass and alarm clocks were from the Greeks though... and alot of that math and philosophy things were discovered by Mid.East first simply because Mid.East is the birthplace of human civilization

[Kra7as]

Sheep and cattle were first domesticated in Baghdad Caravels were invented in Baghdad Ice-cream was invented in Persia Torpedoes were invented in Syria Xebecs were invented in either Syria or Lebanon Equatoria were invented in Baghdad Mechanical geared and spherical astrolabes were invented in Baghdad The Hydrometer was invented in Baghdad Sextants were invented in Persia Cameras were invented in Baghdad ( from the Arabic word Kamara ) Magnifying glass

[lifes40123]

@Kra7as stop saying baghdad.. baghdad is a city.. it was invented in iraq u can say.. ice cream was invented in china..

[Kra7as]

I know Baghdad isn't a country but back in the medieval ages there was no Iraq, no Saudi Arabia no Syria... it was all the Muslim world. And Baghdad was its capital so I was referring to all of Iraq during the medieval age as Baghdad. And ice-cream was invented in Persia. You can look it up on Wikipedia if you want to.

[nomooon]

@lifes40123 one thing though, ice cream should be a Persian invention

[Kra7as]

Surveying instruments were invented in Baghdad Central heating was invented in Baghdad Writing was invented in Iraq The wheel was invented in Iraq Chariots were invented in Iraq High-rise roof gardens were invented in Iraq Soaps were invented in Baghdad The first public hospitals were in Baghdad Weather stimulation was invented in Baghdad Cancer was first treated in hospitals in Baghdad Sexual dysfunction drugs were invented in Baghdad Irrigation was invented in Baghdad

[Kra7as]

You're from the US right? Did they teach you the following in school: Iraq is the birthplace of civilization Persia is the birthplace of law and order Alchemy was invented in Baghdad Algorithm was invented in Baghdad Distillation was invented in Baghdad Water purification was invented in Baghdad Acids were first used in Baghdad Alcohol was first isolated in Baghdad Essential oil was invented in Baghdad Petrol was invented in Baghdad Beer was invented in Egypt Coffee was invented in Yemen

[lifes40123]

@Kra7as yeah.. all civilizations had their jobs to make the world we see today

[nomooon]

@Kra7as of course we all know Euphrates was the river that gave rise to human civilization

[Kra7as]

Before that paper was only made of Morus and Bast fibre, thus was very weak. Production of thick, strong paper ( the paper we use today ) began in Baghdad, where the Muslims invented a method to make a thicker sheet of paper. This helped transform papermaking from an art into a major industry.

And what are you talking about anyways? When did Muslims enslave the Chinese? They only ordered the Chinese prisoners of war to make paper for them, in exchange they get their freedom. That's not slavery.

[lifes40123]

@Kra7almost every civilization creates the world we see today.. there cant be thicker paper if there was no chinese paper in the first place

[Kra7as]

Good job but, the Abbasid caliphate was not barbaric at all, in fact it was anything but. It was more advanced in terms of science and technology than the Tang dynasty back then. So the Chinese wouldn't dare to call it a barbarism-spreading nation.

Overall, good job. 5 stars.

[lifes40123]

@Kra7as what are u talking about??? chinese brought paper to islam after the muslims defeated the chinese at talas capturing paper making slaves.. chinese was always the smartest civilization until like 1600 ad.. arrival of european colonies

[Kra7as]

@lifes40123

China wasn't the smartest civilization by any means! The Middle East has always been the best during ancient and medieval ages. Babylon, Egypt, the Abbasid Caliphate, the Persian empire, the Ottoman empire etc were all Middle Eastern. It was only until the Mongolians sieged and destroyed Baghdad ( the capital of the Abbasid Caliphate ) in 1258 that the Muslim world started going down the hill.

And the first paper factory in the world was not in China, but in Iraq in 751.

[lifes40123]

@Kra7as i know dude the chinese brought paper to the middle east and europe.. chinese brought gunpowder and printing to middle east and europe... u dont even know what your talking about.. the first paper factory/mill was in the city of samarkand in present day Uzbekistan.. not dissing on islam but chinese was more advance but islams also had great science, medicine and free hospitals and stuff like that..

[Kra7as]

@lifes40123

I do admit that China was ( and still is ) one of the greatest and most glorious nations in the world. Also, I may be from the Middle East, but I'm an atheist and I'm very open-minded so I wouldn't mind if you 'diss' Islam or anyone else for that matter. HOWEVER... China was NOT better than the Middle East at all...

[nomooon]

@Kra7as

you cannot compare the culture of China to Old Persian for the same reason you cannot compare Buddah to Alah, because they are each dominant in their own sphere ( Near East vs Far East)

P.S. Old Persian civilization is now separated into many different countries while China is still in one piece

[TheBrolit]

@Kra7as If anything, The Arabs and the Chinese were on even terms when compared with each other on science and technology. Numerous engineering accomplishments have been made during the Tang such as matches, dry docks, cast iron, double-action piston pump, horse collar, wheelbarrow, the propeller, natural gas as fuel etc. etc. Even greater scientific and technological accomplishments would be made by the Song and Ming dynasties as well.

[blessedable]

seirously !! is that is a best way of teaching history !! u could make it better than this wast of time !!

[VivalaChina]

This was a battle between Chinese Tang Dynasty and the Arabian Empire.

[Beastphilosophy]

Thank you for wasting my time.

[therealbigpaki]

um okay.

thanks for sharing?

[therealbigpaki]

ftw.

[Authoritz]

Where are the turks and korean general?

[VivalaChina]

It's not a Korean general,he was a Tang Dynasty general,his name was Ko Sencji

[MrXxxilikepiexxx]

@VivalaChina Although, the general was in fact, of Korean ethnicity.

[KnightofGod911]

w00t! hahaha get off the sims