The Blackness of Sin - by Charles H. Spurgeon

[chainsaregone007]

Woe to the 11 people who disliked this video!

[Dwrancho144]

there is not a drop of evidence that hell is eternal and if you think so then by all mean send my a message and I will gladly refute your argument : )

[ThePredatorElder]

@Dwrancho144 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, Mark 9:47where "'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' Mark 9:48

[pirategirl1492]

great vid! but it went by so fast i had to speed read.

[Gorteenminogue]

Well, this makes sense. If I reject the one true, merciful and loving God, I'll burn in Hell forever.

People believe this rubbish?

[threehappypenguins]

Yes.

[Gorteenminogue]

How?

[threehappypenguins]

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God... (1 Cor 1:18-21)

[threehappypenguins]

through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. (1 Cor 1:21-25)

[threehappypenguins]

The message of the cross is offensive to people because our sin against Him is so serious that it took the death of God the Son to take the punishment for His people's sins. My sin was so serious that God the Father punished Jesus instead of me. Naturally, that would mean that I would have to believe that I deserve the wrath of God. Because people don't want to believe this about themselves, they find the whole idea ridiculous.

[threehappypenguins]

As for answering your question "How" specifically: "These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Cor 2:13-14)

[Gorteenminogue]

"Then to the rolling Heaven itself I cried, asking ,

'What light had destiny to guide

Her little children stumbling in the dark?'

And 'A blind understanding!' Heaven replied." (Khayyam)

"For those who deny the life to come, we make their foul deeds seem fair to them, so that they blunder about in their folly," (Koran, 27:3)

So, we have to believe in something for which there is no evidence so as not to be fools.

Ever wondered why holy books contain such clauses?

The king has no clothes.

[threehappypenguins]

"The Emperor's New Clothes" is only relevant if you are the Emperor. He was too proud to accept what he already knew as the truth. Khayyam was certainly a "Renaissance Man", but never made claims that what he wrote was the inspired word of God. The Qu'ran was written by one illiterate person who twisted and copied the bible when he wrote it.

[Gorteenminogue]

No, it is relevant if you can see the emperor is naked but do not say so.

Khayyam ridicules the Koran.

The Koran is the word of the one true God, dictated to the prophet Mohammed by the Angel Gabriel. (Hint: illiterates can't write.)

[threehappypenguins]

Westminster Larger Catechism:

Q4: How does it appear that the Scriptures are the Word of God?

[threehappypenguins]

A: The Scriptures manifest themselves to be the Word of God, by their majesty and purity; by the consent of all the parts, and the scope of the whole, which is to give all glory to God; by their light and power to convince and convert sinners, to comfort and build up believers unto salvation: but the Spirit of God bearing witness by and with the Scriptures in the heart of man, is alone able fully to persuade it that they are the very Word of God.

[Gorteenminogue]

So, no evidence at all that the Scriptures are divinely inspired.

[threehappypenguins]

I will leave it to you. The evidence is there, but are you able to see it? Think of it like a joke. Either you "get it", or you don't; and if someone tries to convince you otherwise, you tell them, "but you don't GET IT!"

"And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed." (John 3:19-20)

[Gorteenminogue]

I already think of it as a joke. I get it. I laugh, though my laughter is somewhat curtail whin I consider the dreadful things perpetrated by people who believe in (their) one, true religion.

[threehappypenguins]

It's dreadful to think of what is possible when Christianity is rejected. Without an objective moral standard, anything goes. According to your worldview, there is no such thing as an objective "dreadful."

[Gorteenminogue]

It's dreadful to think of what is possible when Christianity is accepted. Slavery and burning 'witches' are both condoned by the bible, and were carried out by Christians. These days Christians happily tell Africans that condoms cause aids, and that family planning is a 'sin'. This is fine if God wants to fill his heaven with the souls of dead children, but that is a big IF.

If you have any evidence to suggest that there is objective morality, please provide it.

[threehappypenguins]

You completely avoided my statement. I have reasons for believing that certain things are wrong... but what I'm asking is, what are yours? Why is slavery wrong? Why is burning 'witches' wrong? Why is AIDS bad? By what objective moral standard do you condemn things as bad, and praise things as right?

[Gorteenminogue]

No, I addressed your statements. I don't believe there is objective morality, because I have seen no evidence to suggest that such might exist. Please provide some.

There is little of moral worth in the bible, which convices me that either there is no God, or He's a sadist.

Some morality is genetic: people world-wide give the same answers to morally challenging problems. Some is learnt, both good and bad.

I (try to) follow the golden rule, which answers the first 4 questions.

[threehappypenguins]

You said that you don't believe that there is an objective morality. By what objective standard do you condemn the bible and the God of the bible? You borrow the standard of the bible ("Golden Rule") to try to condemn the bible. If there is no objective morality, then you have no ground to stand on to condemn anything.

[Gorteenminogue]

1. There are no objective standards of morality, only subjective ones. The Golden Rule predates the Bible, and even that is subjective because circumstances alter cases.

The Bible elevates non-belief to the worst of sins. The most depraved person, if he repents and believes, spends eternity in paradise. A good person who doesn't believe spends eternity in Hell. Is this moral?

Even the concept of Hell is immoral: infinite punishment for finite crime is a vile concept.

[Gorteenminogue]

2. By what standard?

Well, common sense plays a part. I laugh aloud at Deuteronomy 25:11-12.

I suspect that, like many, you cherry pick the Bible. You ignore the excesses, and focus on the good bits.

But, how do you know which are the good bits? If the Bible is inspired by God, why should there be anything immoral in it?

If there is objective morality, please provide some evidence. (Third time of asking!)

[threehappypenguins]

I have absolutely no problem with any part of the bible. All of scripture is good and inspired by God. And the standard that you use is "common sense"? Do you mean that the standard you use is democratic ("common")? If so, wouldn't that mean that the standard could change? If morality is changeable, then your accusations of the bible being immoral holds no ground. As for evidence, look up a few paragraphs about the bible being the Word of God.

[Gorteenminogue]

Yes, standards change. This is why most people now regard Joshua's genocidal destruction of cities as repulsive. This is why slavery is illegal in almost every country on earth. This is why most people don't stone their disobedient children to death. These changes have come about despite, not because of, Christianity.

If you want the word of God, read the Koran. If you reject the Koran, bear in mind that it might be because Allah is preventing you from accepting it.

[threehappypenguins]

There's not enough room (in YouTube commenting) for all the evidence of the bible being the Word of God; however, even if it is provided, and it was convincing (in your eyes), would you *actually* be willing to humble yourself, repent (leave your sinful ways) acknowledge God as Lord, and believe the gospel?

[Gorteenminogue]

If an objectively moral entity had written the Bible, we wouldn't be arguing. Think how beautiful it would be, how perfect, how unarguable. It would be the only guide for all people at all times, instead of which there are over 30, 000 branches of Christianity,

Great question: I love the laconic 'if'. Yes, 'if' I were shown evidence of a moral creator, I would have to concede. But it is not likely to be Yahweh, is it?

[rofyle]

You might have asked Gorteen to provide the name of one nation tat any point in time that has decreed murder to be a virtue. The dolt might have realized then that there can be no standard of law without moral absolutes. In such a country, even the king himself could be murdered and not only would there be no one would could stop it, but there would be no one who would WANT to stop it.

Good video. I sub'd.

[DIETOSELFREPENT]

Beautiful music, wonderful message.

All Glory to Christ Jesus!!!

[Imaginefree69]

"There's no such thing as a former christian!" Oh? 1 Timothy 5:12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith. Hebrews chapter 6:4 - 6 it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened— those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance

[ironclad452]

You are not accurately interpreting those passages (surprise).

1 Tim 5 is not speaking on salvation. Read the context.

Hebrews 6 is speaking of Jews falling back into legalism after hearing the covenant of grace (basically)

Two things are needed to properly interpret the Scriptures

1 Context

2 Regeneration

1 Cor 2.14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

[Imaginefree69]

"Two things are needed to properly interpret the Scriptures 1 Context 2 Regeneration" What nonsense. It's an occult book, open only to the initiated, eh? I'll tell you something else that would be required for proper interpretation: consistent scriptures! The bible is so full of error and inconsistency that you can make it say literally anything you like. That's why even though Jesus himself prayed that his followers would be 'one' there are now nearly 40,000 official denominations.

[threehappypenguins]

Plus (in addition to ironclad), John 10:28 states: And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

You may have been part of God's covenant people for an while but you fell away and were cut off. However, the elect within God's covenant people will never fall away... permanently. However, I don't know if you are elect or not, but for now God has never opened your eyes. I pray that you will one day truly see your sin and turn to Christ.

[Imaginefree69]

"the elect within God's covenant people will never fall away... permanently."

It probably says that in your book of church doctrine,

but it does not say that in the scriptures.

If I'm mistaken you'll no doubt supply

the relevant words from the Bible.

[threehappypenguins]

No. I already did. And both you and I know what the bible states.

You must be significantly older than me since you mislead (a) congregation(s) for 44 years. However, I do need to state that if you think this is a "last word game" then you really need to grow up.

This is my video, and my comment board, and if I want, I can delete them all. Go leave silly comments elsewhere.

[Imaginefree69]

"both you and I know what the bible states." Well, I do. Your John 10:28 is misapplied, as no one "snatched me", but I did, so to speak "fall away." Two very different situations, with two very different scriptures, naturally. I don't play the "last word" game but your "we'll leave it at that" certainly looked like that's what you e]were doing. "This is my video, and my comment board, and if I want I can delete them all." Certainly you can. Religion often practices censorship to avoid truth.

[ironclad452]

Don't. They're self confident. But when they play games, they LOSE at times.  And that's the point of playing. My definiton of self esteem is "feel good at all costs" just to be clear.

Acknowledging your sinfulness is the first step toward humility. He who says he has no sin is a liar!

And you are spreading deception (and you know it) and you will be judged by a Holy and Righteous Judge (and you know it). You are Romans 1.21, and you are most definitely NOT free. You're enslaved.

[threehappypenguins]

You took the words right out of my mouth! :) Thanks for defending God's Word.

[Imaginefree69]

"My definiton of self esteem is "feel good at all costs" "

That's not a definition that would be used by any reasonable

parent, educatoir, or therapist.

Maybe that's the problem-

if people would use TRUE definitions

we could communicate (and think!) much more rationally.

[ironclad452]

imaginefree ... I agree with you.

But that's the definition that society is giving that phrase, not me. So take it up with them.

[Imaginefree69]

Ironclad, it's not very wise or mature to tell strangers what they do or do not know. You said He who says he has no sin is a liar! The Bible says "whosoever sinneth, hath not seen him, nor known him. .. LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU. He that commmitteth sin is of the devil. Whosoever is born of God, COMMITTETH NOT SIN: for his seed abideth in him, and he CAN NOT SIN, because he is born of God." 1 John 3

[ironclad452]

For the sake of some who may misunderstand, the text you quoted does not contradict what I've said. When understood correctly, what you've quoted is saying that whoever is born of God cannot live a lifestyle of habitual sinfulness. The apostles sinned (Gal 2, Rom 7, 1 Tim 1). And to deny this is foolish to say the least

It is a battle we all are in. The Christian is victorious in the Spirit but not in the flesh. The unregenerate doesn't even fight it

Your knowledge of Scripture is lacking

[Imaginefree69]

"When understood correctly"

This is christianese for

"The Bible says this but it really means that."

I know only too well, alas.

Having graduated from a 4-year Bible College

I can tell you that a large part of theological training

consists of learning to swallow

large and awkward incongruities without choking.

[ironclad452]

Oh ... 'scuse me, I didn't realize you had credentials.

Jesus trained twelve hicks and thumbed his nose to the ones with credentials, so you're not impressing me. And neither are you raising any sound argument against Scripture. Just the typical red herrings.

1 Corinthians 1

v18

For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

v25

For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

[Imaginefree69]

We are familiar with 'survivor's guilt' and we know that children are so very prone to blame themselves for divorce, the death of a parent or sibling... Yet christians think nothing of teaching even very young children that they are born into sin, that their best virtues are but filthy rags in god's sight, and that they personally are responsible for the betrayal, torture, and death of the best man ever to live. They are taught that they deserve hell. This is evil. This is abuse!

[threehappypenguins]

Please read Romans 5. Isaiah 64. Or better yet... read the bible?

[Imaginefree69]

"read the bible?"

A a pastor and Bible teacher for 44 years

I have read it many times.

What did you want to say?

[ironclad452]

Pastor and bible teacher? Evidently an unregenerate one to deny this clearly biblical teaching. There are more and more these days it seems.

You, sir, have been socialized. You're fooled by the need for a child to have self esteem to succeed. That is the worlds solution. I imagine you would profess to have fallen away from the faith? That is likely because you're either in a very dark part of your walk or were never on the narrow path to begin with.

Look to Jesus. Fix your eyes on Him!

[Imaginefree69]

"You're fooled by the need for a child to have self esteem to succeed. "

Gee, what can I add to that?

I pity your kids.

[threehappypenguins]

I am saddened to find out that the bible speaks of you in Ezekiel 34. You neglect the flock and teach them lies. You lie to children and tell them they have no need of a saviour because they have goodness in themselves, and lead them by the hand straight to hell. Jesus said woe to people like you. He said it is better to hang a millstone around your neck and be thrown in the ocean, than the lead his little ones astray.

Just because you've read the bible, doesn't mean you believe it.

[Imaginefree69]

"Just because you've read the bible, doesn't mean you believe it." Actually, the best way to NOT believe the Bible is to really, seriously READ it. The bible is so vague, so large, and so filled with inconsistencies that you can ALWAYS make it say whatever you like. That's why even though Jesus himself prayed that his followers would be 'one', there are now nearly 40,000 official denominations (divisions) of christianity, each of which is convinced that they alone have the Truth.

[threehappypenguins]

You're welcome to believe what you want. Just don't call yourself a Christian, and call God a liar at the same time.

[Imaginefree69]

threehappypenguins

You can relax.

I would NEVER call myself a christian.

[threehappypenguins]

I read on your profile that you consider yourself a former "Christian". So never mind about the calling yourself Christian part.

Anyways... you don't even understand what the bible is about, and how sinful and wicked human kind is. You've been brainwashed by humanism.

[Imaginefree69]

"I read on your profile that you consider yourself a former "Christian""

That's right.

But no longer.

So as your Bible tells you not to judge unbelievers,

you can stop judging me any time.

[Imaginefree69]

"There's no such thing as a former Christian"

Yes, people love to say that.

Once again you are judging a stranger,

and one with much more experience than you have.

I'll post a couple of scriptures that disagree with you, shall I?

[threehappypenguins]

In context, that has to do with chastening within the church (putting out of membership, etc). The bible does however call all men to repent. It says not to judge according to appearance, but to judge with righteous judgment.

And the bible says all men have sinned against God, and need to repent and trust in Christ. That is what I would call you to do.

We'll leave it at that.

[Imaginefree69]

"We'll leave it at that."

I love these little attempts to control the discussion

and to get in the last word.

Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returns to his own vomit,

So a fool repeats his folly.

Repent?

No, thank you.

50 years of folly was quite enough for me.

It makes me nauseous to think of returning to that delusion.

[Cookey77]

You were obviously deluded if you thought you were once a Christian. All those years and to find out you were a false convert? 50 years of folly is accurate.

[Imaginefree69]

"50 years of folly is accurate."

Yes, it is.

As I clearly said.

The only thing MORE foolish would be to NEVER wake up.

Are you waking up yet, Cookey?

[Cookey77]

I woke up about 5 years ago mate. That's when I became a Christian. The Bible speaks quite clearly of people with your circumstances. As an aside, if you were deluded for 50 years, how can you trust that same mind now? Rgds.

[Imaginefree69]

" if you were deluded for 50 years, how can you trust that same mind now? " This is a rather silly insinuation. By this logic, no one could ever confidently learn from new information or experience. You say that you "woke up" 5 years ago. *gasp* How can you possibly trust your new conversion, if you were deluded before this? If you see my point. Yes, the Bible does speak of people in my situation. Hebrews 6:4 - 6 It says they can not be fooled a second time with the same trick.

[Cookey77]

You must admit, 50 years is a long time thinking you were a Christian when you weren't. Most fall by the wayside in a couple of years. Your "blurb" states that you saw Christianity as "an alternative lifestyle". Little wonder you are so bitter now. If Christianity was an alternative lifestyle, I'd want nothing to do with it. Rgds

[mlf7777]

And another thing, you're a Canadian. Don't be telling Americans that it's time to end tyranny of religon in their country when you haven't ended it in your own. That book you're writing---sell it to your own people first. Put your hand over your mouth and say nothing except I'm the biggest fool that ever lived because I sat in a church for fifty years and thought that made you a christian. That's like a sodomite putting on a dress and thinking he's now a woman.

[Imaginefree69]

"you're a Canadian"

You're full of assumptions, aren't you?

I know that christians love to tell others what to do,

but the cool thing is that we are free to ignore you.

I'll keep speaking out against injustice and delusion.

[mlf7777]

It seems to me that if it took you fifty years to realize that you weren't a christian or a pastor, it's probably going to take you another six or seven hundred to figure out one injustice. Stop while you're still among the living and just repent of whatever lustful thing you were deceived by.

[mlf7777]

No--no there's one more foolish then that. You could fall away from Christ and end up in the Goat pen.

[mlf7777]

No-no there's one more. The only thing more foolish is to wake-up in HELL!

[Imaginefree69]

"The only thing more foolish is to wake-up in HELL!"

I guess you had better convert to Islam and Hindu and Shinto

and any other religions you can find,

just in case one of them happens to be correct.

I disbelieve in your god

for the same reasons you don't believe in Zeus.

Exactly the same reasons.

Think about that, if you can.

[mlf7777]

Go and lead your blind to the next pit.

[Imaginefree69]

"Go and lead your blind to the next pit."

Translation:

"I cannot refute your logic

so I'll throw an insult and a threat and run away."

It's okay, MLF.

I know you'd do better if you could.

[littleredbirdy]

Except....The intelligent and informed Mystery School initiated did NOT believe in a literal Zeus either....

He was a symbol, and the initiated knew this and wrote about it to a degree.

But it seems you did not spend enough time to come to this realization?

You are not enlightened by ignoring religion, and are actually a worse person because of it. (intellectually and morally)

[mlf7777]

Bla bla bla bla bla bla---Hit the broad road jack and don't come back. You've already quoted the Scripture yourself from Hebrews, so what are you doing hanging around a Christian site. You're working for your father the devil---that's all---like you always did, no difference. Get on with your broad road existence, "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you die." And by the way, God Almighty is the only One who has the last Word.

[Imaginefree69]

"Hit the broad road jack and don't come back."

Why do christians think they have some moral right to tell others how to live and what to do?

Do you think that only fundamentalists have the right of free speech?

Insults, accusations, evil imaginations, and tyranny; apparently these are the true fruits of christianity.

[mlf7777]

Yea---whatever.

[littleredbirdy]

True fruits of Christianity?

Love? Compassion? Self sacrifice?

I guess you didn't read any of the epistles of John to know what a Christian is supposed to look and act like.....

[ironclad452]

Excellent compilation. Love the text and love the music. Thank you for sharing.

Soli Deo Gloria

[fruitofspirit]

Very nice. For a long time (before I had actually read the whole Bible) I thought of God like some of the commentors below - that He was love & only love. People are different & He reaches them in different ways: sometimes by realization of His love & acceptance; sometimes by the realization of our desperation w/out Him; or sometimes by the realization that there is a hell. But ultimately salvation occurs w/the understanding of what was done on Calvary - what that cost God & why He would pay it.

[christopherasaurus]

Um, CrienOutLowd do you just pick and choose scripture that fits your idea of what God is / should be? I believe that's considered idolatry.

Proverbs 14:12

There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.

2Peter 1:20-21

knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. 21For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Nice music btw :D

[christopherasaurus]

nice music! Oh, and Spurgeon is the man!

[Godcorpusa]

Spurgeon is indeed the prince of preachers, but some of his messages would be offensive to some because he keeps refering to sin as black, lie, "you're as black as a man can be". No one would use that type of language anymore. Sn in the bible is crimson, leprosy is white, and no we shouldn't say, "you're as white as a man could be" in relation to leprosy being compared to sin. He's still was the best. He was against slavery and colonialism. He said he rather be a black man going to India..colon.

[CrienOutLowd]

We don't believe in a different God, but you can't see that. God is not angry or wrathful. Those are human constructs, not divine ones. People want Him to be so, because it fits a human understanding of what is "just." But God is greater than the limited human emotion of anger or vengeance. He knows us for who we are and He understands everything we have ever done. He will correct us, but not condemn us for eternity.

I'm on my way. And God bless you. I mean that sincerely.

[threehappypenguins]

Okay, let's go with that for a minute. Let's say that I am back to my unregenerate, pagan self for a moment: "That sounds great! So I can go on living however I want because I'm going to get away with it! No eternity in hell? Sounds good to me. If I don't like someone, I can just kill them, and God will 'correct' me later, so who cares!" You obviously do not understand the wickedness of the human heart, nor the justice of God.

[CrienOutLowd]

Can you not imagine that God's correction will be most profound; that it will be individual as each of us are individuals? Can you not believe that people will turn from their hurtful, selfish ways once they genuinely experience God's love? Do you truly believe the only way to find God is to be frightened into it by threats of eternal suffering, not drawn into it by eternal love? We are not inherently wicked, we are human. God knows this. He is not limited by human concepts. He is God. Farewell.

[CrienOutLowd]

We have and love the same God. There is only one. The all-loving, all-knowing Almighty God. We just see Him differently for some reason.

[threehappypenguins]

Yes, there is only one God. Stop telling me that we have and love the same God. No we don't. God commands us to repent of all idolatry, and all I can do is plead with you to repent, and believe in the God of the Bible... believe and trust in Jesus Christ. We do not "see Him differently." You do not see Jehovah for who He is at all. The God of the bible is a loving, kind, merciful, vengeful, wrathful and angry God. We do not believe in the same God. Just admit that we believe in a different God.

[CrienOutLowd]

There really isn't more to say on this. I had a message to share and did so. I know you love God with all your heart, as do I. May He bless us and keep us, strengthening us and comforting us, encouraging us to love Him with all our beings, and to love each other with active compassion. BTW, your music is lovely.

[threehappypenguins]

Thank you for the compliment on my music, however, I must clarify that I do not love your god. In fact, I hate him (or her, or it), because your 'god' is attempting to steal my God's glory. The God of the Bible deserves all the glory. We do not serve the same God. I serve Jehovah. You serve someone that does not exist.

[CrienOutLowd]

God casts no one aside. We will all face God but none will be doomed forever.

[threehappypenguins]

Ok? And you get this information from where? You're feelings? God tells us in his Word that all who sin against him deserve eternal torment, and Jesus warned time and time again about hell and how horrible it is. You don't realize what it means and how serious it is to sin against the Lord of Glory. But Jesus bore that punishment... equal to eternal torment for all those who believe. And he defeated death and rose from the dead! How glorious the gospel is when we know what we deserve!

[CrienOutLowd]

I get this information directly from God, not from something written about Him by others. The Bible has many inspired things, but there are also things in the Bible that are from the hearts and minds of men, not of God. God does not cast His children away. This is a concept from the human mind and the human heart. God's love is greater than any we can imagine, greater than anything ever written about Him. Amen!

[threehappypenguins]

You do not believe in the God of the bible then. You are actually breaking the second commandment. You have created a god in your own mind to suit yourself. It's called idolatry. I do agree with your statement "God does not cast His children away." However, Jesus himself said that not everyone is a child of God. By nature, we are children of the devil... children of wrath. God will NEVER cast away his children. But he will certainly cast away those that aren't his children.

[shenandoahchillin]

I believe in the One and Only God who ever was and who ever will be. I have created nothing; He has created everything. And what I share with you here has nothing to do with suiting myself. There is no idolatry. I share what God has shown to me clearly and with divine purpose. It is a blessing, and I am greatly awed at His love. (continued...)

[shenandoahchillin]

(continued..)

I realize I'm jumping in here on Crien's behalf, and maybe I shouldn't, but she and I have shared a lot over the years. We have had similar experiences with God and have heard the same blessed message...that of God's love for every human. And every human is God's child. I find it sad that people will embrace everything the Bible says as if it were inerrant, when it is not. Nothing people ever wrote is perfect. Only God is perfect!

Crien, sorry for getting into the discussion.

[CrienOutLowd]

I have not created a god. There is only one God, and He is the God of us all. As Shen said, we are all God's children. He loves us all and none are cast away. He knows us perfectly and understands us perfectly. May He bless us always and may we always be open to His spirit and love in our lives.

[threehappypenguins]

You are right that there is only one God. However, you believe in a false god. God said Himself that we are all by nature children of wrath. Only when he covers us with the blood of His beloved son, do we become children of God. Only when we are born again into Spirit and Truth are we children of God.

[threehappypenguins]

How do you know that God is perfect? The only way to know that is through the bible. The bible proves itself to be the inspired, inerrant Word of God. Over 900 times does it say in the bible "Thus saith the Lord." Even Jesus Christ testified that the scriptures are God's Word. What you are doing is calling the God of the bible a liar and saying that he is not able to communicate to us by inspiring people of his choosing to write an infallible work. I believe in an Almighty God that can do so.

[CrienOutLowd]

One can know God through His glorious creation, not just through the Bible. One can be still in nature, can sit silently with God, and know He is perfect.

Those who wrote the Bible said, "Thus said the Lord." That doesn't prove God actually said some of those things. God is not a liar. He cannot lie. Yet that doesn't mean people who write about God don't interject their own ideas at times, even unintentionally. God may inspire us but does not control our every move. Thus, we can make mistakes.

[threehappypenguins]

What it all comes down to is that the bible is so crystal clear, and so perfectly consistent, and so gloriously inerrant that you must be blind not to see that it is God-breathed. You are simply picking and choosing what you like from the bible, and rejecting what you don't like. What a blasphemous thing to say that God is unjust and will not punish sins. God will punish every murderer and child rapist... but he will also punish every liar.

[CrienOutLowd]

The Bible is filled with inconsistencies. And of course I pick and choose, based on what God has shown me. God gave us the ability to reason and expects us to do so under His guidance and love. Where did I say God will turn a blind eye to wickedness? You've put words in my mouth. I said we will all face God but that none will be doomed forever. We will be held accountable for what we have done, but God will not punish anyone forever. God's love is much greater than that. Praise Him.

[threehappypenguins]

You pick and choose based on what your idol has shown you. You are saying that God will turn a blind eye to wickedness. Sin against an eternal God deserves an eternal punishment. You are basing everything on the presupposition that our ability to reason is not tainted with sin. Ever since Adam and Eve sinned we are unable to come to God on our own. The bible describes us as "dead in our trespasses and sins." God's love is much greater than what you are portraying.

[threehappypenguins]

God's love is so great that he would send His one and only Son to the cross to take that eternal punishment that His people deserve. That God would go to great lengths to pay my eternity in hell on the cross just blows me away. God is MUCH greater than your little puny god that does not justly punish sin.

[threehappypenguins]

The bible says that "all liars will have their part in the lake of fire." You do not understand how serious sin against the eternal God of glory is. You think that he will turn a blind eye to our wickedness. You don't even see the wickedness of your own heart. "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked. Who can know it?" (Jeremiah 17:9) The prophets who heard from the Lord did not interject their own ideas. If they did that, God's law made it clear to the Jews to kill them.

[OmniVid]

Great Video!! 5 Stars!!

[koko2000and8]

hes a classic. God really used his

life man.

[VUTRUDOIN]

it all comes down to this;if you have told one lie,your a liar. if you have stolen even once your a theif. if you have looked with lust,your an adulterer and you have to face GOD on judgment day! rev.21v8-says ALL liars will have their part in the lake of fire. no theif or adulterer will inherit GODs kingdom. you must repent or you will perish!

[Ecothearcy]

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[theChromeLamma]

Greatness!