I very much appreciate this documentary for its biographical detail, especially in terms of VW's psychology. I wish it had gone more in depth into her writing style, though. All the same, great to see. Thank you.
Also remember she was the first translator of Freud's works into English. But why she never tried Freud therapies? It's said she was quite afraid of hypnosis and that she preferred those 'stupid old doctors' who just recommended her rests cures. Others say it was just 'that horrible Victorianism' that she also hated...
Actually, she didn't translate Freud. James Strachey translated Freud, the Hogarth Press published them. Leonard read Freud in 1915 or so; Virginia did not read him until the late 30's. She did not think much of psychoanalysis. Her Brother Adrian and his wife Karin became psychoanalysts, and were the first couple to be analyzed by Freud. Virginia was not fond of them. Karin thought that Virginia was bi-polar, and as such would not have benefited from analysis in any case.
En este documental no apaecen todos-as los que formaban ese grupo, ni cómo se reunían, ni las grandes tertulias que tenían. Por ejemplo, falta el gran Edward Morgan Forster y su amante Syed Ross Masood, de origen hindú, con el que tuvo un largo romance muy fiel hasta que murió este último. Tampoco aparecen otros grandes autores que no eran frecuentes, pero que aparecían. Saludos!
well, for most girls and boys who received a colonial british education, 'if' was standard fare in all our anthologies. we heard it with different ears then, and we took its warnings as well as its encouragement to heart. as an adult reader this poem sounds overly rhetorical and a bit 'off''. i confess that i loathe kipling and his writing is definitely not to my taste. if you really want to read him, i suggest mowgli. beyond that i cannot think of anything he wrote that is worth reading.
I read the poem "If" translated into Spanish long time ago, in Argentina, when I was 19, I loved it. Me encanto!. El poema se llama :"Si" . I thought it was a great poem. Now, as an adult, I still like it, I bought his poem's book just to read "If". I even love his name so unique: Rudyard Kipling. Is sad to know that he had writteen his anti-jews ideasa, to disturbe very badly to Virginia.
i should have guessed you liked poetry!. i just read some background on storni, and will try to get my hands on some of her work. my most beloved spanish poet is juana inez de la cruz. i also love the melancholy of jimenez and bequer. if you have not read italian poetry there are many great poets there tasso, petrarch, leopardi, montale etc. of the english poets the best is robert graves. woolf's writing is so good because she was a muse rather than a poet. she was the beloved and not the lover.
Sor Juana Inez de la cruz., Juan Ramon Jimenez: I would like to read their works again. lately, I am reading William Henry Hudson (1841-1922) Born in Buenos Aires, but he died in England, where he wrote many books. Try reading "Far Away and Long Ago" or "A Hind in Richmond Park". He is my favorite writer right now. Have a nice day!
I think she was influenced by Argentine writer Alfonsina Storni, who drowned herself into La Perla Beach waters. Storni was also depressed, and hopeless. The night beore she wrote her last poem: "Voy a Dormir" = "I' am going to Sleep"...
well, tonight is the aniversary of her death. what a melancholy fate. i read 'a room of one's own' at an early age, and never before or since have i encountered such cool prose posessed of such power to inflame. i knew of leonard before i ever heard of virginia because i was born in ceylon, where leonard lived and wrote'the village in the jungle' and also where virginia's aunt julia margaret cameron visited... virginia knew how to write of the time that exists between moments. long live virginia
Thank you, for reminding me about this data. I was reading recently "Modern Fiction" and some other chapters of "The Common Reader. Is an amazing work, she did it in pro of English Literature, is admirable also the courage she had to give her opinion about great writers of all times. Why do you thing she did not include Rudyard Kipling in "Modern Fiction"? I thing she did not name him simply because he had already won the Nobel Prize of Literature in 1907.
kipling was a terrible writer - jingoistic and dripping with the blundering insensitivity that his colonial 'master' status conferred upon him. his style was unrefined and totally lacking in nuance, and in essence, all his thinking was polluted by ineradicable racism and sexism. in my opinion woolf did not write about him because it was beneath her dignity. even to recognise his existence would have been an acknowledgment of his all too vulgar existence, and leonard would have despised him too.
Quite good! It seems you are very intelligent, specially in Literature. Kipling was what I said: A stupid colonialist as he demonstrated writing "A Garden of One's Own". NO MORE WORDS. He describes himself.
well, it would appear that it takes one to know one!
thank you.
one small coincidence - if we can stretch it to that point - my birthday is the same as f scott fitzgerald's...
one small correction - i believe that syed ross masood was an indian muslim - not a hindu.
and one comment - the bloomsbury group tangentially included a wonderful writer - gerald brennan, who live the latter part of his life in spain. it also includes an almost forgotten but fabulous painter - carrington.
Thanks for sharing!
LeaVeliz 1 year ago
I very much appreciate this documentary for its biographical detail, especially in terms of VW's psychology. I wish it had gone more in depth into her writing style, though. All the same, great to see. Thank you.
AllErikaEclectica 2 years ago
Also remember she was the first translator of Freud's works into English. But why she never tried Freud therapies? It's said she was quite afraid of hypnosis and that she preferred those 'stupid old doctors' who just recommended her rests cures. Others say it was just 'that horrible Victorianism' that she also hated...
gatsby31 2 years ago
Actually, she didn't translate Freud. James Strachey translated Freud, the Hogarth Press published them. Leonard read Freud in 1915 or so; Virginia did not read him until the late 30's. She did not think much of psychoanalysis. Her Brother Adrian and his wife Karin became psychoanalysts, and were the first couple to be analyzed by Freud. Virginia was not fond of them. Karin thought that Virginia was bi-polar, and as such would not have benefited from analysis in any case.
effingham28 2 years ago
En este documental no apaecen todos-as los que formaban ese grupo, ni cómo se reunían, ni las grandes tertulias que tenían. Por ejemplo, falta el gran Edward Morgan Forster y su amante Syed Ross Masood, de origen hindú, con el que tuvo un largo romance muy fiel hasta que murió este último. Tampoco aparecen otros grandes autores que no eran frecuentes, pero que aparecían. Saludos!
gatsby31 2 years ago
Gracias por aportar esta interesante información.
cyanhuro 2 years ago
well, for most girls and boys who received a colonial british education, 'if' was standard fare in all our anthologies. we heard it with different ears then, and we took its warnings as well as its encouragement to heart. as an adult reader this poem sounds overly rhetorical and a bit 'off''. i confess that i loathe kipling and his writing is definitely not to my taste. if you really want to read him, i suggest mowgli. beyond that i cannot think of anything he wrote that is worth reading.
theinkbrain 2 years ago
I read the poem "If" translated into Spanish long time ago, in Argentina, when I was 19, I loved it. Me encanto!. El poema se llama :"Si" . I thought it was a great poem. Now, as an adult, I still like it, I bought his poem's book just to read "If". I even love his name so unique: Rudyard Kipling. Is sad to know that he had writteen his anti-jews ideasa, to disturbe very badly to Virginia.
Cronopioslover274 2 years ago
i should have guessed you liked poetry!. i just read some background on storni, and will try to get my hands on some of her work. my most beloved spanish poet is juana inez de la cruz. i also love the melancholy of jimenez and bequer. if you have not read italian poetry there are many great poets there tasso, petrarch, leopardi, montale etc. of the english poets the best is robert graves. woolf's writing is so good because she was a muse rather than a poet. she was the beloved and not the lover.
theinkbrain 2 years ago
Sor Juana Inez de la cruz., Juan Ramon Jimenez: I would like to read their works again. lately, I am reading William Henry Hudson (1841-1922) Born in Buenos Aires, but he died in England, where he wrote many books. Try reading "Far Away and Long Ago" or "A Hind in Richmond Park". He is my favorite writer right now. Have a nice day!
Cronopioslover274 2 years ago
I think she was influenced by Argentine writer Alfonsina Storni, who drowned herself into La Perla Beach waters. Storni was also depressed, and hopeless. The night beore she wrote her last poem: "Voy a Dormir" = "I' am going to Sleep"...
Cronopioslover274 3 years ago
well, tonight is the aniversary of her death. what a melancholy fate. i read 'a room of one's own' at an early age, and never before or since have i encountered such cool prose posessed of such power to inflame. i knew of leonard before i ever heard of virginia because i was born in ceylon, where leonard lived and wrote'the village in the jungle' and also where virginia's aunt julia margaret cameron visited... virginia knew how to write of the time that exists between moments. long live virginia
theinkbrain 2 years ago
Thank you, for reminding me about this data. I was reading recently "Modern Fiction" and some other chapters of "The Common Reader. Is an amazing work, she did it in pro of English Literature, is admirable also the courage she had to give her opinion about great writers of all times. Why do you thing she did not include Rudyard Kipling in "Modern Fiction"? I thing she did not name him simply because he had already won the Nobel Prize of Literature in 1907.
Cronopioslover274 2 years ago
kipling was a terrible writer - jingoistic and dripping with the blundering insensitivity that his colonial 'master' status conferred upon him. his style was unrefined and totally lacking in nuance, and in essence, all his thinking was polluted by ineradicable racism and sexism. in my opinion woolf did not write about him because it was beneath her dignity. even to recognise his existence would have been an acknowledgment of his all too vulgar existence, and leonard would have despised him too.
theinkbrain 2 years ago
Interesting statements about Kipling. I need to read his works. I love his poem "If", though. Maybe he wrote it to his critics, huh?
I am goit to work, I write more to you later. Thanks, so much!
Cronopioslover274 2 years ago
Quite good! It seems you are very intelligent, specially in Literature. Kipling was what I said: A stupid colonialist as he demonstrated writing "A Garden of One's Own". NO MORE WORDS. He describes himself.
gatsby31 2 years ago
well, it would appear that it takes one to know one!
thank you.
one small coincidence - if we can stretch it to that point - my birthday is the same as f scott fitzgerald's...
one small correction - i believe that syed ross masood was an indian muslim - not a hindu.
and one comment - the bloomsbury group tangentially included a wonderful writer - gerald brennan, who live the latter part of his life in spain. it also includes an almost forgotten but fabulous painter - carrington.
cheers.
theinkbrain 2 years ago
Yes, I heard about that Carrington, forgot about Brennan or I did not know, thanks!
Me and my sister's birthday is March 28th; the day Mrs Woolf's suicide but decades later, you see.
gatsby31 2 years ago
Gracias por subir el documental. ültimamente he recuperado cierto interés por el grupo de Bloomsbury.
Eudora74 3 years ago
I think she's insane! I read her quote saying: "Killing Yourself is an Art"..wtf?!
Mizkta145 3 years ago
What a sad ending for such a beautiful lady :(
cindylauper 4 years ago 5
I think the sad endińg was also beautiful. I find it kind of romantic: putting stones in your pockets and walking into a river.
ivanofna 4 years ago 3