Representative Stupak on Abortion Funding & Health Care Reform

[ofcccaddy2004]

stupid is as stupak does

[dkkght46]

First Bayh then Dodd now Bart. These guys know they will or would have, gone down in November. But the sleeping giant has only been stirred; we must awaken more constitutionalists. The Republic must be saved--Give the rest of these tyrants that are stealing our freedom the boot! BOYCOT GM and CHRYSLER. Crush the unions with your wallet. Get the workers to see they must bust the unions to survive!

[swedeeepie]

Bostonrocket-That health bill amendmant does not ban abortion rights, it just provides no federal or public funding of abortion.

[maciindrew]

the abortion language doesn't matter. THE HYDE AMENDMENT OF 1976 TRUMPS ALL NEW LAWS. so abortion wasn't funded no matter what words were used.

the anti-abortion wackos were just trying pull a publicity stunt... don't you remember everyone in America laughing at them?

how can the right get to 51 votes? they now only have 24% of the population... everyone in America HATES the right... they are too uneducated to be elected again. so learn basic facts.

[RobertRobls]

@maciindrew You are another socialist moron.

[RobertRobls]

@maciindrew You are another socialist moron.

[RobertRobls]

More progressist rhetoric...

His mask has just fallen...

Never trust a socialist...

[maciindrew]

we don't have socialists in america dumbass!

[RobertRobls]

@maciindrew  Keep sleeping ignorant!

[RobertRobls]

@maciindrew  Keep sleeping ignorant!

[equitemcroce]

I like Stupak. He seems like a reasonable man. Hopefully people could be a little more open minded like him.

[boomboombroome]

Abortion is womans decision, Men should not have an opinion on what they choose to do. Period. If a woman decides to have an abortion than she should have the choice.

[OBAMASTINKSLIKEANAPE]

I should have the choice to rip your ovararies out and roast them on an open fire.

[Allamericom]

Doesn't the hiring of 16000 IRS agents to track you down if you don't have insurance sound like Nazi Germany?

Are we the people going to tolerate this track you down fine you and maybe put you in jail is this the America we want?

Republicans and Democrats are one of the same BIGGER GOVERNMENT the republicans look smarter as the blame the Demos for what they want

Bring home our troops war mongers and health care that not only supports but funds abortion is lunatic - Obamanation of America

[herself311]

He lied. He voted for it. Vote him out and said he would. Court martial them all for treason.

[jkfromcincty]

Mr. Stupak - If you oppose abortion, you can make the choice not to have one.

[mrrepublican1234]

Bart Stupak has either:

1) lost his mind.

2) not read the constitution as it pertains to laws versus executive orders.

or

3) taken all for fools, thinks we are too stupid to figure out what he has done, and shown his true colors as a politician and excommunicated himself from the right to life movement simultaneously.

[hogup250]

stupak, has never care about no public funding of abortion, he has only wanted to hold out for the biggest part of obamas corruption as he could get, when all is said and done he is just a democrat, greed and lying is an important part of the democrat mind.

[twopopsforsure]

Dear Mr Stupak, you have been butt humped by peloci. You will go down in history as the one who screwed the country.

Do you in your peanut ass mind think ovama is going to really not pay for abortion. What a fucking joke you people are.

[jkfromcincty]

Why do the cons only care about a child until he/she is born?

[massdrewski]

@jkfromcincty because then that child can invade another country to keep them safe in their trailer park

[CACBCCCU]

I think there a lot of good words and ideas that every time they are mentioned, everyone loses.

[wufalufogus]

There is no language in this bill that provides federal funding for abortion.What these guys want is a ban on anyone getting federal funding for anything being able to buy insurance that provides coverage for abortion. That wont fly and they will cave. this bill will pass.

[caldopeixe]

We caved as a civilization when we legalized abortion and we will cave further when snuffing out the life of millions of innocent babes is done in the name of health care.

[kjbhlogkh]

There is absolutely no reason for taxpayer funding of abortion, and I do agree with the pro-life people who will steal money from the abortion industry to save the life of an unborn baby, and I want to see taxes stop funding abortion!

[alderete74]

All Catholic Congressmen and women who vote for a bill authorizing abortion MUST be excommunicated from the church. What say you Pope?

[petemackin]

Pure and simple abortion is unconstitutional. The preamble secures life and liberty "for our posterity". Our posterity is defined as "those not yet born". You cannot be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. Since a fetus cannot be convicted of breaking any law it cannot be executed. When any woman chooses to have sex she chooses a course which naturally leads to childbirth. THAT is the choice she is free to make. After that, the baby has an unalienable right to live.

[Piscivorus]

Bullshit! The most basic right of life is the right to consent. The right to consent obligates us to obtain consent. Unborn babies are just as obligated to obtain their mother's consent as their fathers were before them. Without that consent, an unwanted pregnancy is as much a crime as rape and access to abortion is as much a woman's right as police protection. To deny women access to abortion would be unconstitutional.

[BostonRocker51]

Forcing a minority socially bankrupt idea on women is criminal. I support FREE and prompt abortion services for all who need or want such services. Banning abortion rights under proposed health insurance reform is plain foolish. How about if YOU support forced birth, you must kick in $15,000 per year in support tax for the unwanted babies? Okay?

Roe v. Wade is the law - respect it please.

Peace...

[09reason]

I don't respect killing babies and will never pay for it!  Let me remind abortion supporters, the unborn baby is crushed with surgical forcepts or burned to death with a caustic solutions. This is pure torture!! We would arrest the owners of a puppy mill that killed unwanted animals in this manner.

A society that accepts this horror is capable of ANYTHING!

[itsinthenet]

@BostonRocker51 Just because you have a right to something doesn't mean the government should have to pay for it. We have an expressed 2nd ammendment right to keep and bear arms. That doesn't mean the government should but a gun for every US citizen.

[Patriarch00]

Every human being, from its first moment of conception until its last moment of breath at death, is sacred. This sacredness originates from man's creation. God willed that the human being be 'created' in His image and in His likeness.

[mo12537]

Abortion is MURDER, plain and simple. You can sugar-coat it all you want. But the reality is that abortion is a systematic genocide not only in America but world-wide. The fact that the U.S. government wants to fund it, is F'N DISGRACEFUL!

[heresywar]

Lol. His name is Bart Stupak.

Bart. Bart. Stupak. Bart Stupak. The name's Stupak. Bart Stupak.

[kabloozie]

why federal funds used for Viagra and other erectile dysfunction meds and not for abortion...

This guy doesn't won't support abortion, until his 'mistress' gets pregnant.

[herbs814]

Abortion is murder no matter how many lame and unfounded jokes you try to make. Abortion is murder; abortion is evil; abortion has no place in a healthcare bill. Stupak is absolutely right. And the pro-abortion scum is disgusting for trying to steal taxes from honest Americans to pay for their immorality.

[doublea39]

Public funds are not used for abortion. It's current law, geniuses. Some of you are calling him a pig and a bastard because he wants to retain a current law? Get a clue. If you want an abortion, you'll just have to pay for it yourself. Go cry about it.

[debthebob]

As a Democrat I find this pig appalling and if I lived in his district I'd work my hardest to get rid of him come his next election.

[TolsmaLMC]

I live in his district. I'm glad to see pro-lifers taking a stand within the Democratic party. I did not vote for Stupak, but I'm willing to stand with anyone who is willing to stand up for life.

[jaxgal618]

May this misogynist, chauvinist BASTARD rot in hell along with all the other assholes that approved his amendment to send women's health back into the Dark Ages, Goddamned Catholics.

[herbs814]

Those who fail to support the life of children before birth are disgraceful. Stupak is absolutely right for taking this stand.

[jaxgal618]

Sorry... it's not a CHILD until it's BORN. Why the hell are you people so concerned w/the UNborn but once they ARE born you could all give a rat's ass about them ? When YOU take personal responsibility for an UNWANTED pregnancy by supporting the UNWANTED baby (AFTER it's born) til it's 18 or by adopting it... THEN you can have an opinion. Until then.. shut the hell up and mind your own damned business.

[herbs814]

A child is a child from the moment of conception. Any elective abortion is murder and is absolutely inexcusable. If the child is "unwanted" it is still immoral to MURDER an innocent child... and your cowardly semantics are just a disgraceful means to excuse evil.

[gizmosellschickens]

Taxpayers should not pay for abortions and should be excluded from federal funds for healthcare reform that the issuse

[blackchimp99]

"You just seem to be incapable of grasping it"

I know when you think life begins, but what I was trying to establish was if you consider a fertilized egg the same type of "life" as an actual child. As yet you have failed to answer. This ends here you have the last words if you wish.

[blackchimp99]

"Regarding your alleged abortion numbers Ireland - so the hell what?"

Don't you understand? And you claim to be the one with superior intellect. Weither or not you approve of abortion it WILL happen. So how would you punish women that have been raped and didn't want to bring the child up?

[1luckygarfield]

According to God, life does begin at conception. Abortion is murder and it is horrific to cut a baby out of its mother. This act alone degrades human life. It is an act that affects more than just the mother. No person is a world unto himself or herself. A person's actions affect many.

[jaxgal618]

yeah.. that would be nice if that FAIRYTALE were true. But it's not so it is a moot point and invalid. There IS no god and no one else's DELUSION should have any impact on my life, my daughter's life, my grandchildren's lives or ANYONE else's life. Don't like abortion ? Don't have one.

[blackchimp99]

Also...

The need for abortion should be seen as a fact of life, not a moral dilemma. Even when abortion is illegal, it doesn't stop the practice. Abortion is illegal in Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic, but nevertheless each year around 2 000 women from Northern Ireland and 4 000 from the Irish Republic have abortions in British clinics.

[blackchimp99]

This isn't about what you believe this is about an indiviuals right to choose. Remember,

no one method of contraception is 100 per cent safe, so if a pregnancy is accidental why should she keep it? (can we stop with sarcasam, condescension and other such comments please)

[blackchimp99]

Right, good you answered, at last. All Im trying to establish is how you can consider a (here's that word again) non-sentinet organisim a life in the first place. It has no feelings or emotions. I can agree it is the first building block to a living human but you are still trying to dictate what women can do with their own bodies. Would you even deprive a woman of an abortion if she were raped?

[blackchimp99]

"Because you continue to make cute but silly attempts at appearing to be intelligent."

Why do you think anything I have wrote is an attempt at making my self seem to be more intelligent than I am? Anyway, I have no idea if a Spotted Owl egg feels pain nor do I care, I was under the impression this was about humans. Care to answer one of my questions, such as..."Is a non-sentient single cell organisim an actual life?"

(Did you notice, no ad hominem attacks, think you could do the same?)

[charlitunaman2002]

Does it react to stimuli? Does it respire? Does it eat? Does it reproduce? Does it expel waste? If so....its a life

[blackchimp99]

An fertilized embryo does none of those things, so you agree, it isn't a life. Also that would mean you also agree that life doesn't start at conception.

[charlitunaman2002]

all cells in the body do this. Did you skip 6th grade science?

[blackchimp99]

Oh, I thought you meant like an actual living human, which an embryo isn't. It has no thoughts feelings or emotions. Im not in the mood for this type of rationalizing. Goodbye.

[charlitunaman2002]

So a person in a coma doesn't qualify to live by your rules? What an idiot

[blackchimp99]

Actually a person in a coma would have a brain, and that brain would be active....Do you see where this is going?

"What an idiot" Great projection.

[charlitunaman2002]

@blackchimp99 Thats not what the argument was. It was that a life has certain functions and I named them, you said that didn't qualify. So niether does you uncle who's lying in a coma. Simple, like you

[charlitunaman2002]

I hope nobody in your family goes into a coma, we'd have to kill them too

[blackchimp99]

Fail of logic and a misunderstanding of my stand on the subject, well done.

[charlitunaman2002]

I can see why you call yourself a chimp

[blackchimp99]

No, actually you don't, but im glad you asked. It is to get attention from racists to question them and and perhaps to change their mind on misconceptions, if possible.

[charlitunaman2002]

@blackchimp99 Racist? I have no idea who you are. Except you call yourself a chimp, and as such, love bananas. I love chimps. Do you also throw your pooh?

[charlitunaman2002]

@blackchimp99 Now go pull the plug on uncle jake

[charlitunaman2002]

let me get you a banana

[blackchimp99]

Sentient - Having the power of perception by the senses; conscious. ( which an embryo isn't)

And I was talking about non-sentience, I used it twice, one of the times it was used I was quoting myself. Is that best you can do? Ignore everything I wrote and question my intellect and go off on a tangent? Why bother to reply with such nonsense?

[blackchimp99]

Wow, you don't understand. That's OK. Remain shielded by your defense mechanisms, but just remember...

"Is a non-sentient single cell organisim an actual life?"

You didn't give me your defintion of life and you can't.

[brncoman1]

"There's too many fucking dickheads walking around as is."....one too many anyway. Sounds like you are a huge contributor to mankind. Something tells me your stupid ass doesn't have kids.

[nemesismessiah0]

You people still give a shit about abortion? Ungghh... all abortions should be FREE! There's too many fucking dickheads walking around as is. If they hold up universal health care becuase of abortion than people SHOULD be pissed. Abortion is logical and only a fool doesn't believe so. PUBLIC FUNDING FOR ABORTION is a MUST. And yes congressman, you should be removed if you don't support this.

[brncoman1]

The miracle of life is beyond anyones understanding. A human life begins at conception and to terminate that life is Murder. I only support abortion if the mothers life is in jeopardy. When people talk about a womens right to choose they forget that the choice to end a human life isnt theirs to make. I believe a pregnant person agreed to host that life and care for it as they would themselves when they performed the act that resulted in their pregnancy.

[CosmosPrivateer]

What is leadership telling you?

That's the friggin problem we don't need these leaders.

Lead yourself or someone will lead you.

[blackchimp99]

It doesn't matter if people disagree, it has nothing to do with it. I asked you for YOUR defintion of life and so far you have failed to define it. Is a non-sentient single cell an actual life? I has no feelings or emotion and feels no pain. So if a woman wants to terminate her fertilized embryo I will support her right to do so.

"But what you fail to grasp"

Projection bias.

[blackchimp99]

It*

emotions*

typos.

[Antigodboy]

Why are these cruel assholes chosen to be in public office when they are working against the public interest? A woman must have the right to keep or lose her unborn fetus if she chooses to do so in case of rape or woman's health issues and government funded health care should be available for such situations.

[charlitunaman2002]

Abortions in the case of rape or incest is less than 2% of all abortions. It's the other 98% I'm concerned about

[blackchimp99]

This is a defintion of "Life"...

"The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism."

Or...

"The physical, mental, and spiritual experiences that constitute existence"

It's not that hard, really. Now you try it.

[blackchimp99]

"I said HUMAN LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION."

That isn't a defintion of "life". That is just stating when you believe "life" begins. Do you understand the difference?

"Is there something in that very simple statement that is difficult for you to understand?"

Are you usally this condescending when completely confusing the word defintion with, "I believe it begins when..."?

[blackchimp99]

"For now, we are allowed to believe that it was is currently a free country."

Let's hope that some bigots don't try and tell people what to do with their own bodies. Wouldn't that be an oppressive nightmare?

[blackchimp99]

Liberal - "Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry."

Or another..." Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded."

I see no problem with this.

[blackchimp99]

"millions of people that believe that life begins at conception."

Yes, and I agreed with you but you have still been unable to define "life". Also, you have ignored the point of the comment and chose to only reply to "Bad analogy", have you nothing else to offer but sweeping generalizations?

[jaxgal618]

And millions of people believe ina make-believe god too. It's a phenomena referred to as " THE IGNORANCE OF THE MASSES".

[blackchimp99]

Since it was human conception that we were refering to I thought "Oak trees and acorns" was a bad analogy, please explain how it isn't and I will concede on that point although it is essentially irrelevant (and the only thing you can attempt to "refute")

[blackchimp99]

Bad analogy. The truth is, at conception there is no more "life" than the discarded stain on a bed sheet after sex. To terminate that unamed, emotion and thoughtless single cell is no more murder than male ejaculation and a females menstrual cycle. Pro-chioce.

[blackchimp99]

"I choose to believe that life begins at conception"

It all depends what you mean by "life". The first stage of human development does in fact begin at conception but it is in no way "alive" as a new born baby.

[Aaberg123]

The mere fact that you try to equate a non-sentient being with a sentient one is tells me all I need about you.

[Aaberg123]

Life began before conception. Both the sperm and the egg is considered alive. What do you mean by "life"?

Your false equivalence between a sentient human being and a non-sentient lump of cells speaks volumes of your lacking moral compass.

If you don't like abortions, don't have any. Others might choose to have an abortion. If that bothers you, tough shit.

[Aaberg123]

Are humans an endangered species?

Are you are really going to equate a sentient human being, with an ill-defined collection of cells with no senses (yeah, I draw a line at the development of the nervous system).

I think you need to rethink you moralistic position in all this.

[BUDALO2002]

why do you draw the line at a nervous system? at conception, you ALREADY share something in common. Besides, the nervous system doesn't always develop at the same rate leading to a time limit debate. Aaberg123, i don't understand why an intelligent writing person like yourself stoops to profanity.

[Aaberg123]

It's not a matter of commonality. It's a matter as setting a non-arbitrary line. Set the limit at the the first known development stages of the nervous system, and leave it at that (unless special circumstances apply).

Regarding profanity: Grown up.

[Aaberg123]

Ahh yes. Because the soul get into the lump of cells just after fertilization... right?

[Guadalupe1130]

Thank you Rep. Stupak! America is behind you! We want health care reform but we do not want a federal mandate to fund abortions.

[LarpPrincess]

Good for him!

[haytubenon]

I'm pro-choice, but I don't believe there should be public funding for abortion. The two have nary a thing to do with each other.

If you get pregnant and wanna have an abortion, then that's your choice. Don't expect others to pay for eliminating your mistake.

[Aaberg123]

So no coverage for drunk driving either, lung-cancer from smokes, diabetes from diet, breaking a leg on your skiing vacation? Where do you draw the line?

[FREEAMERICANOW69]

i agree that a woman's civil right to her body to have a legal abortion trumps the fake right to life aka a pro-life fascist' opinion, but i do agree that my tax dollars shouldn't pay for it.

[Str8TalkNow]

Stupak doesn't care about anyones abortion. he has obviously been gotten to by lobbyists and has joined the Republicans in trying to use abortion as a way to kill healthcare reform in the good ole' USA.

[JMillion]

Why is it that conservatives on both sides get so angry when talking about abortion. That it should not be funded, it's immoral, etc. Here's the truth. Abortions are sometimes necessary. I don't really need to give an example other than they are sometimes necessary. This should not stop the debate of whether clinics should still get federal funding or not. Protect the unborn at all costs but once they're out of the womb they are on their own. And if they happen to be born into poverty who cares.

[BUDALO2002]

why are they sometimes necessary?

[danni1030]

@JMillion Who Cares? You have a lot of compassion for something that hasn't even born and yet you don't care how their life is when they have been. That is F-ed up

[JMillion]

@Danni1030. You got the first part of my comment right. Unfortunately, you didn't understand my sarcasm at the end. "Protect the unborn at all costs but once they're out of the womb they are on their own. And if they happen to be born into poverty who cares. " - is the conservative view point.

[danni1030]

ok.

[1234uz]

a women has the right to control her body not some GUY in Congress or some Religious Freaks from the Bible Belt

[haytubenon]

Agreed, but she must pay for her own abortion.

[BUDALO2002]

Why would women in control of their bodies EVER need to murder their children? I think we are talking about out of control females with no respect for themselves who expect the government to help them discard their oopsies.

[blackchimp99]

Rape victims?

Do you hate choice?

Christian?

[BUDALO2002]

Have you been raped? was the person convicted of the crime? if so then should have ended that part of the issue. We are talking about a totally innocent life. so one act of violence means another act of violence, blackchimp? so, if your mom gets into an argument with her dad, she should, by your logic, shoot you! Huh? By the way, over 93% of abortions are for "convenience". Then again, abortion on demand means no more paternity shows on Maury Povich...

[blackchimp99]

You misunderstand. Such a weak argument a wont even bother, I concede.

"by your logic"

An erroneous presupposition.

[blackchimp99]

I won't*

Typo.

[BUDALO2002]

i meant YOUR dad, not her dad. what a typo! yikes...

[kkohler100]

Wait a minute and listen to what he is actually saying. Should tax payers pay for abortion? It is not about abortion - it is about tax payers paying. Period.

[BUDALO2002]

okay. kkohler100, that's good enough for me. straight and to the point, aren't you? Tell me this, how in the world did terminations become HEALTH care? who started calling it that? Planned parenthood? Debbie Stabenow? I always have to take a jab at the number one recipient of Planned Parenthood political dollars.

[Aaberg123]

Being pregnant relates to your physical condition. How is it not a matter of healthcare?

[BUDALO2002]

EXACTLY my point - - Pregnancy is the Promotion of Life which equates to Health. And extermination of a being in its most defenseless form is the opposite of anything having to do with life and health.

[hawkerdoo]

Since you're so firm on someone having control of their body, what gives you the right to decide and destroy the body of another, even before birth? God or no God, life is left to the consience who holds it. I destroy your body because I don't think you belong, is that right or wrong?  Pro choice right?

[BUDALO2002]

hawkerdoo! hawkerdoo! that was even more direct and to the point. Pro Death groups say that if you run to the abortion factory inside a month it is just a "growth" being removed, not a being who at that moment has the chromosones we have and is just starting to develop off those building blocks. Sheesh, those folks are creepy and they make Mr. Stupak stand out even more.

[UberSciFiNerd]

a democrat with integrity

[freeconservative]

Well IT'S ABOUT TIME the prinicpled Dems show up!! They had best find a way out of the healthcare bill.

[BUDALO2002]

wait a minute freeconservative, if we don't get a healthcare bill your medical costs (unless you're over 65) jump by 15 percent every three years by the insurance companies own figures, while it only jumps seven percent with one and forces for profit HMOs to lower their exec bonuses... you're one of those execs aren't you? fess up!

[joshpnw]

Good for this congressman.

A mind of his own!

[seafury]

Absolutely! :) Good for him for walking his own path (and assuming the leadership role of this organization and taking the heat).