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  • hahahahaha fucking nerds battling it out!!

  • Well, you're all correct, sort of.

    At such a high velocity as 1000fps, given a sufficiently frangible target (Thin metal or plastic), very little deformation of the PB will occur upon impact, no matter what state its core is in. In this situation, there will be essentially no difference between a solid and liquid PB.

  • However, when the target has sufficient strength to significantly reduce the velocity of the PB as it impacts, the scenario will be different. Given sufficient applied force from the target, the liquid PB will break up more easily than the solid. As such, a solid will be more effective at penetrating thicker, stronger materials.

    However, as shown in this video, a PB that breaks up upon impact transfers almost all of its energy to the target. The result is obliteration rather than penetration.

  • Just for all the comments saying that the paint balls where frozen.

    If you jump of a 100 meter high object into water your body would get crushed as if you where jumping down onto concrete.

    The density of the paint in these paint balls is higher than the density of water which makes it a "stronger" substance. If you shoot the paint balls at a velocity that is equal to that of jumping off a 50 meter object it should be as hard as something between concrete and iron.

    No need to freeze them.

  • Freezing them would hit harder cause energy loss from deformation would decrease. Same as with the water thing. Jumping on to concrete will create a larger force as opposed to jumping on to water. They just describe it as "similar to" hitting concrete. But in reality concrete would have a much greater force.

  • Wut? That wasn't the question i was answering is it?

    Let me give you a more obvious example, When a bomb goes off, the shock wave can rip the flesh off of your bones. BUT the metal shards from the bomb can too.

    The shock wave is AIR a fucking gas. The metal shard is a solid, but they both do the same damage because of the velocity they are moving at.

    Water/ice/steam doesn't matter, if it hits a certain velocity the shape of the substance cant reform before transferring the impact into you.

  • It does matter. You got the first part right, but you have to take into consideration what kind of collision its gonna be. elastic or inelastic. Will all momentum be conserved? no. some of the energy will be converted to heat/sound/deformation when the matters collide.

    Let me give you an example too.. The highest recorded windspeeds was 380 km/hour (231 mph). is it the same as when a car hits you at 231 mph? LoL. obviously not.

  • yea, but as i said these speeds are much higher so high that the energy gets transfered into the object that is getting hit before the projectile can reshape to lighten the impact.

    When an projectile impacts into lets say a door, the energy from the projectile gets transfered into the door to do damage, if the projectile isn't going fast enough to go threw the door than it reshapes to lose its energy.

    At high speeds an object can't reshape fast enough to lose its energy.

  • ok... so your saying that a paintball moving 1000 fps would have the same momentum as when a car hits you at 1000 fps?

    The difference between a frozen paintball and a regular one is that on a frozen paintball the opposing force must release same amount of energy because NO energy is lost from deformation. But on a regular paintball it would require less because the paintball deforms at the instant they make contact to each other.

  • You can't compare a paint ball to a car, nor can you compare barbies paradise with Fallout 3.

    Fucking different categories. Take 2 objects with the same mass, such as a paint ball (S) and paint ball (L), when the paint ball hits a certain speed the deformation of the liquid isn't fast enough to lose velocity therefore it transfers energy into the object it hits with the same velocity as the paint ball S.

    And The only material that wouldn't lose its force to deformation is probably diamond.

  • I dont even feel like talking about it with you, your claiming stuff that are logical yes, but not all facts are logical.

    Black holes, they get resolved by a White hole. Sounds stupid but its a fact, Same as water and ice hit with the same damage at 1000fps, its a fact but sounds lame.

    You can feel wind, but walking in a room without wind, makes it impossible to feel the air around you. The speed of the object determains the energy being transfered. NOT the strength of the substance.

  • There is no such thing as liquid isn't fast enough to lose velocity. Yeah we're talking about 2 objects with the same mass, but we have different densities. Like a raindrop, and hail. hails are more destructive. And they move at high speeds.

    Water hitting the same as ice at 1000fps is not a fact. There is no such thing as "isn;t fast enought to lose velocity." becuase at the "instant of the contact between the two bodies" the paintball would start to deform.

    equation to energy is

  • And you are WRONG to say the speed of the object determines the energy being transfered. The equation for energy is MV mass and velocity.or (1/2MV^2). but the transfer in energy is different because you have to consider what type of collision it is. NO MATTER WHAT THE SPEED IS, ENERGY WILL BE LOST DUE TO DEFORMATION,VIBRATION,HEAT, depending on its collision.

    What your saying, that deformation of liquid isnt fast enough is false. There is no such scientifical records to support your claim.

  • Wrong, The mass is determining the force that CAN be transfered, the speed of the object is determining what shall be transfered, obviously there are more things involved than Velocity and Mass.

    But those 2 properties get you quite far.

    And react to:

    "NO MATTER WHAT THE SPEED IS, ENERGY WILL BE LOST DUE TO DEFORMATION,VIBRATION,HEAT, depending on its collision"

    I never said you didn't lose energy, i said the deformation at high speeds takes to long to make a difference.

  • Where did u get that from?The mass is determining the force that CAN be transfered, the speed of the object is determining what shall be transfered. LoL.theres no such thing.Mass and velocity do the same thing in the energy equation.Deformation occurs the instant the objects make contact to each other so what your saying doesn't really make any sense.Your just making up sutff now =/ deformation and no deformation makes a big diff. because no matter how long it takes, energy will be lost.

  • I laugh, you look at the equation and say, THATS the way it is.

    But you don't look at what each value of the equation does. I'm like an engineer i want to know how stuff works, your like a mathematician, you read something, say thats the way it is and don't look further.

    No need to try to explain these things to you though, not like you are going to even TRY to understand.

  • rofl. Im taking up Civil engineering. I deal with physics everyday. You can't even explain the things that are going on. These paintballs weren't frozen, right? Try freezing it then shoot the bottle. It will go a further distace compared to a non frozen one.

  • Ellejuss you fucking stupid, no sorry are you? The person who posted this video just said what i have been trying to explain, and still you want to claim otherwise.

    And by the way, you don't learn what is being shown in the video by taking Civil Engineering. I take no engineering class whatsoever and i still know more than many adults, in both biology and engineering because i have taken a liking to the subject.

    That argument is a suck up to try to seem more intellectual as me.

  • You have no shit to back up what you say. When people who jump off bridges hit the water, they just compare it to hitting concrete but in reality, hitting concrete would still hurt alot of time more than hitting water.

    I said i take physics everyday and physics deals with this shit. Try getting hit with a frozen paintball and a nonfrozen one. you'll see the difference.

    Give me proofs. o wait. nvm. you have none

  • If i could do the math i would, guess what i can't, but proof is there, even if i smacked you in the face with a fucking fist full of facts you wouldn't notice.

    If you really want to know who "is right" who "is wrong" go look it up on your own, because i already got in another argument which is more "intellectual"

    KTHXBAI

  • ROFL.. See. all you do is run. cant give me proofs? i dont need to look it up cause i know it. Too bad u can't do math cause to calculate the force you need math.. why am i even arguing with you when you don't understand even the concepts. rofl. u cant do math.u keep sayin "Even if i explained you wouldnt understand" but the truth is you can't explain it

    K THNX BAI

  • I'm not running, its just that your stupidity is spamming my inbox, and i'm a busy man i dont have time for an ignorant prick who doesn't want to open his mind to the world of science.

    Even if i went threw the time to find proof you would claim it to be untrue because "its not on a trusted website" or some shit like that.

    On top of that i gave you a explination even my a 10 year old could understand.

    So ill give you these statistics

    10 year old brain > your brain,

    In the sense of learning.

  • LoL. Thats cause u cant find anything. a ten year old would believe you because your probably the same level as them. Science has branches and physics is part of it. I've been giving you facts about stuff and all you say is "oh i dont have time to find proof". and why do you even need to find a website? I'm saying what i know, based from what i learned. and your spoutting shit your not even sure about and you still need to find on some website. rofl.

  • Can't you come up with anything better, or is that to hard for you.

    At least come to me with an argument not just personal bashing bullshit that you can't even confirm because you don't know me.

    Proof not of how stupid you are, but of how LOW you think right there.

    Thats my last comment unless you can get some proof that what i said is incorrect or you at least show a sign of intelligence.

    And please keep the LOL and ROFL to yourself, they show your lazyness.

    Just type out I laughed.

  • personal bashing? I just said something based on what you said earlier. I already gave you dozens of proofs from equations to concepts, laws to theories. And all you say is "oh i dont know math, i dont care about math.You wont understand what im gonna say. i dont have time to research the net to backup myself." Your saying something you completely unsure, if not then why would you even look it up?

  • I know math, but not THE MATH NEEDED TO CALCULATE THIS.

    You gave me the basic math on energy transfer between static objects. Dynamics make everything more complicated.

    i can't prove it to you by theoretical sense because it's nearly impossible to calculate.

    But look at this video, those aren't solid projectiles and they wreck the bottles they get shot at. Isn't that proof enough. You have been watching the proof for quite some time.

    I admit the proof didn't hit me till now though :D

  • Ok lets tone down this conversation.

    How could the objects be static when the paintball is moving? do you know what static means? when both objects are at rest. like a book on a table. this isn't clearly a static problem.

    Now i gave you a momentum equation. Conservation of momentum are about OBJECTS IN MOTION? sound familiar? DYNAMICS maybe?

    You saying they objects aren't solid projectiles but the shell is solid and when u freeze them the whole mass is solid.

  • Ok, then u tell me they wreck the bottles. Thats why i added the deformation in the conservation of momentum. And not only the bottles get wrecked but shell of the paintball gets destroyed too..

    Isn't that what i've been saying? You 've stated my proofs. :D

    Please, do study the difference between statics and dynamics. You said you do not know the math needed to calculate this. Thats why im telling you... This is how.

  • For fuck sakes didn't i start this argument with the sense of.

    The deformation of the projectile can not be preformed fast enough for the projectile energy to be deformed into surrounding air.

    Thats proven in this video, how is that proving your statement.

  • Wow. First of all, its not the energy that is deformed. ITS THE OBJECT. Secondly, it doesn't deform into the surrounding air. IT DEFORMS ON THE INSTANT the two objects collide. Didn't the paintball splatter? So the shell Deformed from its original shape. Deformation DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH TIME. deformation depends onthe type of the material size and geometry of the object and the force applied. There is no such thing as deformation can not be performed fast enough.

  • How is your statement proven in the video when you clearly see that both objects were deformed?

    You bring in statics and dynamics in the arguement when you don't even know their difference. You say deformation can't occur fast enough but you clearly see the two objects deformed?

    Let's say even if there wasn't deformation. A frozen paintball would still be able to hit it with a greater force because it will resist air friction more as compared to the other one.

  • When did you join this argument in the first place. I'm talking about how the energy from the projectile gets transfered faster than the projectile can lose its energy by deformation.

    Thats what you see in this video.

    And i never said that energy was deformed, i said the projectile loses energy threw deformation into surrounding air.

  • How can you say it shows it in this video? Does it compare a frozen paintball and a non frozen one? Does this video state that theres such a thing that the energy from the projectile gets transfered faster than it can lose its energy?

    What you need to understand is that force is independent to time. There's no such law in physics that you are talking about.

    and the objects don't deform into the surrounding air. it deforms when the two objects collide. You give such vague statements.

  • What you need to understand is that this video shows how destructive liquid can be at high speed. And thats what i have been pointing out from the begging.

    Also, i said the projectile deforms and releases energy into air, not that the objects deform into surrounding air. You read vague.

    And in my last post i wrote it vague yes, but i meant

    Threw deformation the energy gets transferd into the surrounding air.

    As in:

    The projectile loses energy threw deformation. The energy goes to the air.

  • Yeah thats true,but im not saying liquid isn't destructive. I'm saying that a frozen one is MORE destructive because theres much LESS deformation. You are right that it gets transfered into the surrounding air. But the energy gets coverted through several different ways then it goes through the air. A solid objects resists deformation more than a liquid object therefore more force is transfered. what your saying is right, just understand that deformation is independent of the time.

  • Obviously solid objects (mainly metals) are more destructive than liquids because they transfer more energy threw their properties and less deformation.

    But i never claimed that wasn't true, i was just trying to point out to the guy i was arguing with above that you can't see the difference between the destruction of a solid or liquid in many cases because at certain speeds the whole logic of energy gets changed.

    Same with speed and time, they also relate somehow.

  • wow

  • Hmm... This gives me an idea. Try shooting icicles with the gun. I don't know why but it would be interesting and I'm only speculating the results.

  • are those paintballs frozen? I highly doubt that they would hold up that incredibly well if they weren't...

  • VERY low temperatures are required to freeze the paint inside paintballs, far lower than I have the facilities to obtain. The paintballs were at room temperature.

    It seems amazing that a soft, liquid filled object can do such damage, but objects tend to behave differently when they are moving at 90% of the speed of sound relative to their target.

  • mapleafpower... i suggest you speak english, not your lame excuse for 1337. BTW, looks good man!

  • That is awesome, mapleleafpower needs to get some kind of life.

    Translation: Farq u u pi8c of sh1t.

    btw it's nova

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