On the other hand there is a good relationship in the past of the nobility of the Franks with the Angles and even mixture.
In times of Charlemagne had within their collaborators Alcuin of York. Later the Normans, will also have good relations with the Saxons and mix until the Battle of Hastings where they were subjected.
Eventually, France and England, have a common history, common blood, are the same culture with different nuances, where the Normans play a fundamental role.
Thus is formed by centuries old French dialects, influenced by the Franks who were adopting local languages, but contributing with his accent and his power. Thus, in Normandy similar process occurs with the Vikings, but at a much younger process. This testifies to the need to adapt to local languagesand customs. On the other hand we see how in ancient Gaul is now called France, with regions with different peoples names Burgundy, Gothia (Septimania-languedoc), Normandy,Provence (Roman),Gascony
Another important point is that the early Germanic Franks are not pure, mixed with Celtic, is something to see people contributing to the first confederation who lived on the banks of the Rhine. They were gradually learned Latin and some participated in the Roman legions. Salian then lived in Holland, Belgium and northern France. The Franks Ripuarian further south on the Rhine.
Norman is a dialect of oil that comes from the mix of Nordic, with dialects of Neustria, and with contributions by Francien dialect of the nobility. Norman dialect arrives in time to compete with the Francien, although clearly the Norman language is a descendant of Francien in part.
There are terms that should not be confused. Norman can be Nordic or France, depending on the time. Rollo was Nordic, but when the Vikings settled in France by an agreement with the French king that those are transmuted into "French" and defend the lands of other invaders. Old French or "language of oil" is a set of dialects, which are influece by Frankish nobles, especially of the Ile de France, Francien dialect.
At the moment there is the conquest of England, Duke William is a very powerful lord and becomes a king with the help of many people in France. Normandy had a political character with a lot of autonomy, however, the Bayeux Tapestry shows us that the Normans are taxpayers of French culture and were part of France. Later, the Norman dukes continue paying tribute to the French king and then see how the Angevin, get the power of England.
The Duke in France recruit people from all regions including continental Britain. Once the Normans win the battle of Hastings, which are subject to all the Saxons and some of the Saxon nobility escapes from Britain, the other dies or is submitted.
The Normans converted to Christianity and acquire habits of France and contribute to their customs. The King of France was tutor to the Duke William and helped him to come to power, fighting alongside him in in Val-es-dunes.Then comes a period of conflict between the duke and the French king. The Duke inherited the Anglo-Saxon kingdom, but the Duke must fight against the Saxons who do not accept one from drawing as their king.
I have something Norman noble blood of France. The Normans are descendants of Vikings who mingled with Franks and Gallo-Roman, in the Kingdom of France. The Norman nobility is absolutely linked with the Franks. Normandy when it becomes a duchy became part of the Kingdom of France. The Vikings begin to speak dialects of Old French, but with Nordic contributions.
@omgwaffels96 HIC FRANCI PUGNANT ET CECIDERUNT QUI ERANT CUM HAROLDO
translates here the FRENCH(FRANKS) have come to do battle with harold/ Here the French are fighting and have killed those who were with Harold..they considered themselves French consult bayeaux tapestry
Very few people knows that in many cities of Apulia (Puglia) in the southern Italy we speak a Norman dialect that in it pronunciation and in many words is very close to the Langues d'oïl that the Normans spoke!
tu as un formidable outil de connaissance "internet" sers toi en ! mon ami !
Aies soif de connaissance .L’ignorance est méprisable ,donc sois curieux de tout ,écoute ,apprends et transmets .La Connaissance est un but en soi .Tout ce qui fait obstacle à la Connaissance ,de la paresse à la censure idéologique ou religieuse ,doit être éliminée .revois certains grands traits de l'histoire Normande cela t'évitera de te bâcher en public
reactions typiquement d'horsains ! (parisiens) sans origine ! oui sommes fiers et revendiquons notre normandité ! 1100 ans d'histoire ! nous avons fait cette france
aujourd'hui devenue cette pauvre france ! excusez du peu de ne pas se reconnaitre en ton cher et tendre pays ! d'assisté ! vaut mieux être un brin régionaliste et garder une identité que de vivre dans cette Europe qui nous affaibli chaque jour ...il est beau ton pays !
''nous avons fait cette france'' Ah oui c'est vrais que sans oublier, la France est d'origine Germanique (Charlemagne), un pays qui s'est bâti à coup d'épée pendant des centaines d'années, pas grâce à la Normandie, qui elle à colonisé les rosbifs, elle étais déjà français et parler la langue française il me semble en plus.
''devenu cette pauvre France'' la 5ème puissance mondial avec 1500 ans d'histoire, vos mieux être réaliste qu'être un arriéré hypocrite.
@AmiralHurio Normandy conquered England, Ireland, Southern Italy, sicily, Malta, Antioch, parts of North Africa and almost the Byzantine empire. And we did it without France. The French have always been jealous of us Normans and of Normandy and have always hated us. It was in the Norman language that the kings of England spoke for 300 years after all and not in French.
It is beneath a Norman to consider himself French.
@Anquetil79 there is no norman language, only french. normandy has always been culturally french. there was no recognizable norman culture in duke william's time. only french. normandy has ceased to be in dependent for 800 years and there is little to no national identity among normans today.
@agricola Lol how many identities do you have? No Norman language? Guess Norman medieval writers such as Wace, Béroul, André de Coutances who all wrote in Norman not French would disagree ;)
In Williams time they had a much better organized state, google (Norman law), great Norman architecture (google Norman architecture), the Norman church was renown for it's intellectual life, not mentioning Norman literature that was the literature of the Kings of England for 300 years not French.
@agricola By the way you only have to google up "Culture de la Normandie" on the internet.
"La Normandie possède une langue propre dérivée, comme le français, de la langue d'oïl, le normand qui est encore utilisé à l’heure actuelle, notamment dans le Bessin, le Cotentin ou les îles Anglo-Normandes."
By the way Le Havre is a Scandinavian name, and you are no Norman, petit horsain ;)
@Anquetil79 Nope Le Havre is a Norman name, a French name, but its origin may be Scnadinavian, just like chemistry as a word comes from Arabic via French but is an English word...Also, as an Occitan, i know very well what a dialect of langue d'oïl is and what a proper language is... Btw, despite the numbers of Catalan-speakers, do you know that Occitan is the mother language from which Catalan originated? ;) So it's only in the 13th century that the two were differenciated, as a dialect 1st...
@AuxaneD "Nope Le Havre is a Norman name, a French name, but its origin may be Scnadinavian," Do you even know what you are saying? Of course le Havre is a Norman name and itðs of Scandinavian origins. But French it is not. French was not even a language of literature when Norman literature was florishing. The Normans have always been much better novelists than the French.
@agricola Norman identity is alive and well as is our language and going stronger each year because people are showing interest in their origins again after the fascist French centralism and it's lies.
And I say this as a Norman from the Pays d'Auge ;)
Si les normans etaient si fier d'etre des vikings et des scandinaves, et qu'ils haissaient tellement la France, vous auriez tous deja quitté ce pays.
Des hypocrites comme les bretons, nicois, alsaciens, et autres milliers de communautes en France...Quand les temps vont bien on est fier d'etre un Franc...et des que ca va mal on se regionalise tout de suite...Comportement typique...Et bien franchouillard ce qui malheureusement prouve bien que vous etes bien francais :D
@hashimirasama Yes Norman is tough in Cherbourg with no aid from the French state. We should be getting full aid from the French state to all Norman schools to teach Norman. Not something done because of the will of good people who refuse to see their language die. There you go again with falls accusations, the weapon of people who have no arguments. The only person who has been calling names is you.
Why do we not have all the media in the Norman language? Why is it in French? French was a foreign language in Normandy until 150 years ago. Do show me the politeness to give me an example of how I am incoherent when you come with such a statement.
@Anquetil79 Because Norman that was widely spoken in Normandy 150 years ago was only and still only is a dialect of French = French language it's a fact! ;) Now Occitan (with its 6 main dialects...), Basque, and Breton those are languages of their own! Arpitan, Burgudian, Poitevin and Saintongeais, Picard are dialects of French (langue d'oil). Alsacian is a dialect of German, Francique of Alemanique. Those are linguistic facts! Even Gallo mix of Breton + l.d'o is a French dialect spoken by Celts
@AuxaneD There was no ALL Gaul and never was. They speak of the GAULS not Gaul. Armoricans were completely different in culture from the Belgae or Celts or Aquitanians. The Norman language has massively influenced the French Oil dialect that became to be known as French not the other way around. The French language is only one of the many Oil languages not the original tongue. French has less Frankish influences than Norman has Scandinavian by far NB.
@hashimirasama Are you not the one full of contempt towards my Norman culture? Do you think the Normans spoke French? No they spoke Norman as still 20 000 of us continental Normans do. Instead of the majority speaking it before the French state took things in charge one century and a half ago. In Jersey and Guernsey the Norman language has an official status but not in French ruled continental Normandy, why is that in the land of liberty?
Guess there is no liberty for people to speak their own language as the only official language is French. The only country in Europe to do so NB. But continental and insular Normans still meet and honor their culture in the Fête des Rouaisouns festivals held every year. And were are you even from "hashimirasama" ?
@hashimirasama All I wrote is correct. Only your reaction is not. It is the one of a person not ready to accept what has been done. A hear no evil see no evil mentality. My grandmother does not speak French but Norman. Is she a foreigner in her own country because she does not speak French? Same can be said of old Breton people.
First, Norman Language is still taught in Cherbourg.
Two, your comments are getting more & more incoherent.
I know where it's going; I've been there before. You're gonna through at me all your frustrations, make heinous provocations & finally you'll be calling names.
Well, I say stop it!
it was nice to have a little chat with you. Goodbye.
Why should we have to learn French in schools and not our own Norman language that has been ours for a 1000 years? In France to be French you have to speak French. People say "We are in France here we speak French" Well I am from Normandy, my language is Norman, we should speak Norman not French as we have been forced to.
@Anquetil79 All our ancestors in all FRENCH regional cultures (me Occitan, of the Auvergne region, meaning i speak the Auvergnat dialect) have been forced by jacobine stupidity to not ACCUMULATE languages and dialects with a vehicular common language (langue d'oil/French) but replace it, that is the problem, not the fact that those stupid revolutionary were your French brothers. Normandy before it was granted was part of Gaul, all Gaul = all France today, whether Aquitania, Belga, Septimania...
@hashimiirasama C'mon don't pretend there has not been a cultural genocide going on in the French state, specially between 1860-1950, on my Norman culture and others.
@Anquetil79 "C'mon don't pretend there has not been a cultural genocide going on in the French state, specially between 1860-1950, on my Norman culture and others." This is true. But denying that Normans (not the few Norse settling in the 9th century and granted the duchy, who mixed with the local population so much that their DNA was the same 3 centuries later, their religion christianity and their language a dialect of French) were French won't change that. WE French, have to change our state
@AuxaneD The few norse settling in the terrictory? Again you talk like a maniac French nationalist who is complexed against the Vikings. There was a Scandinavian settlement in Normandy (Land of the Vikings) for over one century. Starting before the official grant in 911 and still going on in the reign of Richard II duke of Normandy. And they came from all over including Denmark, Norway, Danelaw the Orkneys etc. We know this from the massive amount of place names they left what origins they had.
@AuxaneD We Normans don't even look like the French.....Same DNA were did you get that? Show me your studies about us having the same DNA as the fucking French lol? I dare you to show me these studies or are they just your invention in a desperate atempt to find some kind of unified French DNA? Since when has Christianity been a French religion?We French? Fuck you, we Normans hate the French, just read the Normans Wace and Andre de Coutances who mocked the French for being cowards. Brothers ahah
@legomyeggo713 A bit impossible to trace yourself back that far, yes; you might be meddled with them, but ancestry that long ago is impossible to trace.
All because "La langue est le moyen et le symbole de l’unité" or "Elle incarne les valeurs de distinctions et de pureté". And that language is not my Norman one, or Brezhoneg, Gallo, Picard, Flemish, Alsatian, Occitan, Bask or Corsican. Are our languages lesser languages than French? My Norman language has an older literature tradition than French but yet it is falsely called a patois of French. Cultural genocide by the French state via assimilation is a fact.
Hmmm Norman hasn't an older litterature tradition than Old French/Langue d'oïl. False. Gallo, Picard, Flemish and Alsatian are dialects of other languages respectively French, Dutch and German...Basque, Corsican and Occitan are languages indeed and ALL dialects or LANGUAGES of France should be equally respected and developped to thrive. A nations which destroys its roots is dead, and we are shooting ourselves in the foot doing so! So we agree on that!
@AuxaneD Bullshit French is not the origin of the other Oil languages French is only one of the many Oil languages who all evolved from Gallo-Roman speach and who developed separatly from each other. The oldest surviving work of "French"literature is the Song of Rolland that was written in Norman by the Norman Turold and it is the original version. The Normans were having literature written in Norman in Normandy and Norman ruled England when Latin was still used by the French for theirs.
Culture can not be dictated by nationality and never has. I as a Norman am loyal to my Norman people in Jersey and Guernsey and not to the French no less than a Bask who is loyal to his Basks people on the Spanish borders. The French nation is a fictional creation based upon the imposed French language and trough it assimilation of all into a well defined French culture that has been created via the school system and media full of contempt for the "lesser" languages and cultures.
@hashimirasama Nice that you're quiting the insults. Infact it is indeed pausible that she might have originated in Flanders so again not French. So why do you say she was? But whatever her origins she was Norman by culture and language as all people who settled Normandy and became Normans.
Scandinavians settled for over a century and with them came diverse people such as Irish and Frisians, creating a new culture and identity, Norman culture and identity. The same we still have today and must protect from French attempts to elliminate it. Most of the Vikings were rewarded with lands and became farmers.
Our Norman word for forest is lund from Scandinavian forexample, mare being another nordic term. Names describing farming activities are plentfull in Norman. The vocabulary of our Norman language is not only influenced by norse via maritim terms like French is (who got it from our Norman Oil language).
Norman is influenced from norse by all aspects of everyday life. So what the decendents of the Scandinavians in the beguining of the 11th century would have done or not is doublious to claim here as in not being tanners. And in the time of Arlette we are talking about Norman people not Scandinavian settlers even if there were still fresh settlements.
I'm descended from Norwegian Vikings and I need somplace to drydock my longboat this fall when it's heavy in the water. Will someone let me use their front yard? Saying no could be a mistake - just ask the French!
Hehe, not all Normans in Normandy are necessarily descendents of vikings. The vikings settled and intermarried with native Frankish peoples which I do believe outnumber the invaders under Rollo. By the age of Norman administrative efficiency, an organized army, the implementation of an evolved old Germanic feud system named feudalism, Normans were generally been heavily influenced by the Franks.
But retaining the ferocity and the adventurous attitude of their forefathers, the vikings.
@dishwasherman83 The Scandinavian settlement of what became Normandy was not only made by the men of Hrolfur AKA Rollon AKA Rou in Norman. The Scandinavians started to settle before that time and for over a century well into the reign of Richard II of Normandy. Place names show their origins. Danes, Norwegians, Anglo-Danes. Irish-Norwegians and some from Orkney and Sweden but in a lesser degree. There had also been a Saxon colony before the existance of Normandy in that part of Neustria.
.... why the hell do people always say the Normans were French???? they were different, the only thing they shared with France was the language (and actually, if you look closer at the Normans' language there are many words that you can see come directly from Norse). When the Normans invaded England and France tried to gain something from it the Normans refused the French a look in. Even the Normans distanced themselves form the French.
when they invaded England Normans where in France for 300 years intermarrying with the local people of northern France which is why they quickly adopted French language and customs. By opposition, the vikings of the Danelaw realm (in Northern England) never mixed with English which caused conflicts.
Even Duke William had more French blood then viking blood by both his mother , Arlette (a French commoner) & his grandmother (by his father) Judith de Rennes (a Briton aristocrat).
@hashimirasama Let's talk about the origins of William. His mother was Norman so she was not French. She was a decendant of the people who made up the Norman people. AKA the diverse Scandinavians settlers, Saxons, Frisians, Franks and of course Gallo-Romans. Also the Bretons are NOT French, that is like saying the Welsh are English....The mother of his grandfather Richard II was a Norman woman of Danish origins named Gunnora. William (Willaume in Norman) was Norman of Nordic-Breton origins.
@Anquetil79 Arlette was famously not of Scandinavian extraction. She was the daughter of a French tanner. Read a history book please.
BTW Normandy was already populated before the Viking colonization & in fact the French inhabitants didn't just vanish.
PS: Every time I talk about the medieval age with British people it turns into a debate about race. I don't think the ethnicity of William is the issue but whether or not Brits have a complex of superiority towards French people.
...After, six generation they weren't vikings anymore. Besides when Knut the Great of Denmark (who belonged to a rival dynasty) rose to power in 1016 the dukes of Normandy were even eager to strengthen there ties with France and turned there back on there Scandinavian cousins.
Moreover, in 1066 Normandy didn't have the manpower to invade England. The army of Duke William was recruited all across France (At Hastings, the whole left flank of the Norman host was in fact Briton)...
...Whenever an Englishmen point out the fact that Normandy was autonomous or spoke a specific dialect they forgot to mention that it was the case everywhere in France at the time. The Duchy of Brittany, Burgundy,... were all pretty much independent with strong cultural identities and all speaking different dialects of the "langues d'oïl" (France wasn't linguistically unified yet).
The Normans were French by blood (not exclusively) by customs & language...
@hashimirasama In Brittanny they didnt spoke a "languaes d´oil) they spoke Bryttonic derivaded langues that is completly different group of languages with origin on British Islands. Burgundy had mixture of Germanic tongues aswell so isnt all d´oil like in Gascony and South of France were they spoke Occitan you seing in worng perpective is french not the normans that were never a peope they are more a colection of peoples joined under Isle of France goverment xD
You miss the point. France wasn't united whether by its language, culture, or government. The king was less powerful than his vassals (who were all pretty much independent).
The north spoke the "langue d'oïl" (like norman french) the south spoke the "langue d'oc".
For hundreds of years France was nothing more than a collection of Fiefdoms build on the ruins of the roman empire. It took centuries for the young Capetian dynasty to unite them under the royal rule & create a national identity.
To highlight the specific identity of the region of Normandy and discriminate them from the rest of France is missing the point.
@hashimirasama I dont agree Normans were seen as more or less "equals" at the time it thanks for Normandy-England "contacts" that William was able to conquer England in first place he was involved in English politics Harold himself spent time in Normandy even fighing for William in battles against Bretons even saving a Norman Knigth! Normans themselfs never saw themselfs as French and saw them in same eyes as the future english
Whenever Englishmen are defeated by a French warrior the downplay its French origin and emphasize whatever foreign ascendancy he has (read what English bloggers say about Napoleon).
When they defeat a French army they emphasize the French nature of the other side.
This is a defense mechanism that help preserve their world view of English people being superior to their French neighbors.
@hashimirasama BUt not for this case the Normans were Normans end of discussion is reason why they are called Normans and not French they were mixture of Viking and Franks thats true but they were a people they were Normans or the Normans that went South of Italy are French aswell?
@hashimirasama We Normans are not French period. The French of today want to use the Norman conquest as a means for French propaganda.The French tend to downplay Norman and others identities to make them French. Our Norman language is not a patois of French but an Oil language as is French, Gallo etc. French is only one of the many Oil languages.Most inhabitants of Jersey and Guernsey (The islands are not a part of the UK) are Normans, they are our people even if we have different papers by law
@hashimirasama I am from the Pays d'Auge in continental Normandy. But I would never put "France" as my country on YT since I am Norman. Prove to me that Arlette had no Scandinavian origins. How do you know exactly? How am I a BNP fanatic? You can't say that the mother of William was French since she was Norman. Why don't you call the French Gauls since they did not vanish when the Franks arrived? Williams mother was Norman, had a Norman culture and spoke Norman how was she not Norman again?
@Anquetil79 Listen , I'm done debating with far right-wing fanatics; I tried it once it's like debating with a wall it's pointless. I'm not gonna waste my time anymore.
Apparently you want Normandy to be independent, well good chance. I want Essex to be independent (since it used to be a kingdom in the 6th century AD), how about that?
@hashimirasama You can't debate that is all. No need to hide it with false acusations who are a result of your frustration.
For people here interested in my Norman culture, google "Norman language" "Norman law" "Norman architecture" "Anglo-Norman literature" "Roman de Rou". For Norman groups defending our Norman identity google groups such as the "Normanring" "Mouvement Normand"
Also check the group "dreknor" who have made the Viking ship of our forefathers visible again in Normandy.
I'm not gonna waist my time on you're separatist blogs; it's pathetic!
This is not the medieval age this is the 21st century and you're not a viking you're a delusional nerd who's waisting is time (and mine) on the Internet.
What are you trying to do next, invade england to prove you're William's true descendant?
@hashimirasama Why do you behave like a child and trow insults instead of coming with valid arguments. Who is talking about being a Viking? Who is talking about invading England? How was the mother of William French when she was Norman? How do you know she had no Scandinavian blood? Were are your sources for your statementsof "Arlette was famously not of Scandinavian extraction. She was the daughter of a French tanner" This tanner was Norman by the way. Come with solid facts not fantasy.
@Anquetil79 Lisrten the life & origins of William's mother was described by Guillaume de Jumièges in "Gesta Normannorum ducum" in the 11th century.
Arlette de Falaise was the daughter of a French tanner (which BTW was typically the type of job the Viking settlers would shun & let for the local people). But more important he described how in fact she was born in the city of "Hyu" (modern day Belgium).
If you don't believe me, read Elisabeth van Houts, she wrote a whole book about her.
BTW the name of her father Fulbert was in fact very common in Flanders (modern day Belgium & Holland) and apparently Doda (her mother) got a Scottish name but I'm less sure of it.
The French can't accept that there is something called a Norman culture and civilisation that was created by the Scandinavians mixing with the people of diverse origins there (They were not a French people and the Franks had minor influences in these parts of Gaul, we have more Pre-Normandy Saxon place names than Frankish). Good for you to be comunicating in a polite manner.
Listen I don't know where you heard that French people don't accept there is a Norman culture. Of course there is (even though I wouldn't talk about a whole civilization). You're a victim of a persecution of your own making.
BTW my interest in Norman culture was the very reason why I watched this video on Youtube in the first place.
... Over the ages English scholars would have emphasized William's French nature if he had lost.
The victory of Harold Godwinson over William would have been the cornerstone of English pride. But since William was victorious English textbooks intend to distance him from this heritage.
@hashimirasama Actualy English always talked about Normans as Franks and always talked about them in bad away emphastasing the bad deeds and atrocides comited in England and not otherwise the English(Anglo Saxons) are always the tragic heroes and not the opositive.William was Frankished Viking xD
Hello cousin, I owe my family name Anquetil to my Danish forefathers. Check out the video on my front page and see we in Normandy have not forgotten our ancestors.
On the other hand there is a good relationship in the past of the nobility of the Franks with the Angles and even mixture.
In times of Charlemagne had within their collaborators Alcuin of York. Later the Normans, will also have good relations with the Saxons and mix until the Battle of Hastings where they were subjected.
Eventually, France and England, have a common history, common blood, are the same culture with different nuances, where the Normans play a fundamental role.
LaSombraFantasma 2 months ago
Thus is formed by centuries old French dialects, influenced by the Franks who were adopting local languages, but contributing with his accent and his power. Thus, in Normandy similar process occurs with the Vikings, but at a much younger process. This testifies to the need to adapt to local languagesand customs. On the other hand we see how in ancient Gaul is now called France, with regions with different peoples names Burgundy, Gothia (Septimania-languedoc), Normandy,Provence (Roman),Gascony
LaSombraFantasma 2 months ago
Another important point is that the early Germanic Franks are not pure, mixed with Celtic, is something to see people contributing to the first confederation who lived on the banks of the Rhine. They were gradually learned Latin and some participated in the Roman legions. Salian then lived in Holland, Belgium and northern France. The Franks Ripuarian further south on the Rhine.
LaSombraFantasma 2 months ago
Norman is a dialect of oil that comes from the mix of Nordic, with dialects of Neustria, and with contributions by Francien dialect of the nobility. Norman dialect arrives in time to compete with the Francien, although clearly the Norman language is a descendant of Francien in part.
LaSombraFantasma 2 months ago
There are terms that should not be confused. Norman can be Nordic or France, depending on the time. Rollo was Nordic, but when the Vikings settled in France by an agreement with the French king that those are transmuted into "French" and defend the lands of other invaders. Old French or "language of oil" is a set of dialects, which are influece by Frankish nobles, especially of the Ile de France, Francien dialect.
LaSombraFantasma 2 months ago
At the moment there is the conquest of England, Duke William is a very powerful lord and becomes a king with the help of many people in France. Normandy had a political character with a lot of autonomy, however, the Bayeux Tapestry shows us that the Normans are taxpayers of French culture and were part of France. Later, the Norman dukes continue paying tribute to the French king and then see how the Angevin, get the power of England.
LaSombraFantasma 2 months ago
The Duke in France recruit people from all regions including continental Britain. Once the Normans win the battle of Hastings, which are subject to all the Saxons and some of the Saxon nobility escapes from Britain, the other dies or is submitted.
LaSombraFantasma 2 months ago
The Normans converted to Christianity and acquire habits of France and contribute to their customs. The King of France was tutor to the Duke William and helped him to come to power, fighting alongside him in in Val-es-dunes.Then comes a period of conflict between the duke and the French king. The Duke inherited the Anglo-Saxon kingdom, but the Duke must fight against the Saxons who do not accept one from drawing as their king.
LaSombraFantasma 2 months ago
I have something Norman noble blood of France. The Normans are descendants of Vikings who mingled with Franks and Gallo-Roman, in the Kingdom of France. The Norman nobility is absolutely linked with the Franks. Normandy when it becomes a duchy became part of the Kingdom of France. The Vikings begin to speak dialects of Old French, but with Nordic contributions.
LaSombraFantasma 2 months ago
Knights of france my ass Normandy is not france in any way shape or form.
omgwaffels96 3 months ago
@omgwaffels96 I'm from Normandy. it's 1 of the 22 regions of France. it's a part of French identity and history. so stop to write crap things !
Britanny region is considered as 1 of the 6 Celtic nations like Ireland, Scotland etc... they speak a Celtic language there.
Corsica region is more close to Italy, Alsace region has a strong German influence, in fact this land was stole to Germany in XVIII century,
France is a rich mix-ethnic country,even without the recent foreign mass immigration.
minhounou 3 months ago
@minhounou I meant to say Normans used to not be French now they are, but in 1066 they were completely separate.
omgwaffels96 3 months ago
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@omgwaffels96 HIC FRANCI PUGNANT ET CECIDERUNT QUI ERANT CUM HAROLDO
translates here the FRENCH(FRANKS) have come to do battle with harold/ Here the French are fighting and have killed those who were with Harold..they considered themselves French consult bayeaux tapestry
espoire1757 2 months ago
My biological father's name was Sessoms..a Norman name...nice to learn about the Norman history...thx
FingerLaserZ 5 months ago
they've all got those strange oldgermanic names Thouroude, Osmonde,
Gilbert, Aubray, do ya understan jerriais ?Anquetil ?
DrPunjabi 8 months ago
@DrPunjabi I do Jerrais is one of the Insular Norman languages, very close to our Norman continental ones.
For information on the Norman language just type "Norman language".
Anquetil79 8 months ago
Now if only they hadn't started to speak Frænch .... ;-)
Bjowolf2 9 months ago
Just found out that my oldest known ancestor (Balduin de Forestier) was Norman so I came here...and I'm glad of what I found!
soismeme 10 months ago
Norman on both sides of the family, Heaven be praised.
newsman1066 11 months ago
Very few people knows that in many cities of Apulia (Puglia) in the southern Italy we speak a Norman dialect that in it pronunciation and in many words is very close to the Langues d'oïl that the Normans spoke!
prouprakia 11 months ago 2
@prouprakia It is normal with the close ties we Normans had and mixing with the people of Southern Italy and Sicily.
Anquetil79 8 months ago
norman=nordmann=northman=norwegian
scullyy 1 year ago
is the name of the man who led the norman (not the french :P) army robert bohmund? how is it spelt?
heddbeth 1 year ago
amiral hurio
tu as un formidable outil de connaissance "internet" sers toi en ! mon ami !
Aies soif de connaissance .L’ignorance est méprisable ,donc sois curieux de tout ,écoute ,apprends et transmets .La Connaissance est un but en soi .Tout ce qui fait obstacle à la Connaissance ,de la paresse à la censure idéologique ou religieuse ,doit être éliminée .revois certains grands traits de l'histoire Normande cela t'évitera de te bâcher en public
waltherknut 1 year ago
@ 1:46 the poor horse almost loses its eye :(..good documentry tho :)
999lukey 1 year ago
reactions typiquement d'horsains ! (parisiens) sans origine ! oui sommes fiers et revendiquons notre normandité ! 1100 ans d'histoire ! nous avons fait cette france
aujourd'hui devenue cette pauvre france ! excusez du peu de ne pas se reconnaitre en ton cher et tendre pays ! d'assisté ! vaut mieux être un brin régionaliste et garder une identité que de vivre dans cette Europe qui nous affaibli chaque jour ...il est beau ton pays !
vikland gu brath
waltherknut 1 year ago
@waltherknut
''nous avons fait cette france'' Ah oui c'est vrais que sans oublier, la France est d'origine Germanique (Charlemagne), un pays qui s'est bâti à coup d'épée pendant des centaines d'années, pas grâce à la Normandie, qui elle à colonisé les rosbifs, elle étais déjà français et parler la langue française il me semble en plus.
''devenu cette pauvre France'' la 5ème puissance mondial avec 1500 ans d'histoire, vos mieux être réaliste qu'être un arriéré hypocrite.
AmiralHurio 1 year ago
@AmiralHurio Normandy conquered England, Ireland, Southern Italy, sicily, Malta, Antioch, parts of North Africa and almost the Byzantine empire. And we did it without France. The French have always been jealous of us Normans and of Normandy and have always hated us. It was in the Norman language that the kings of England spoke for 300 years after all and not in French.
It is beneath a Norman to consider himself French.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 there is no norman language, only french. normandy has always been culturally french. there was no recognizable norman culture in duke william's time. only french. normandy has ceased to be in dependent for 800 years and there is little to no national identity among normans today.
agricola 1 year ago
@agricola Lol how many identities do you have? No Norman language? Guess Norman medieval writers such as Wace, Béroul, André de Coutances who all wrote in Norman not French would disagree ;)
In Williams time they had a much better organized state, google (Norman law), great Norman architecture (google Norman architecture), the Norman church was renown for it's intellectual life, not mentioning Norman literature that was the literature of the Kings of England for 300 years not French.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@agricola By the way you only have to google up "Culture de la Normandie" on the internet.
"La Normandie possède une langue propre dérivée, comme le français, de la langue d'oïl, le normand qui est encore utilisé à l’heure actuelle, notamment dans le Bessin, le Cotentin ou les îles Anglo-Normandes."
By the way Le Havre is a Scandinavian name, and you are no Norman, petit horsain ;)
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 Nope Le Havre is a Norman name, a French name, but its origin may be Scnadinavian, just like chemistry as a word comes from Arabic via French but is an English word...Also, as an Occitan, i know very well what a dialect of langue d'oïl is and what a proper language is... Btw, despite the numbers of Catalan-speakers, do you know that Occitan is the mother language from which Catalan originated? ;) So it's only in the 13th century that the two were differenciated, as a dialect 1st...
AuxaneD 8 months ago
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@AuxaneD "Nope Le Havre is a Norman name, a French name, but its origin may be Scnadinavian," Do you even know what you are saying? Of course le Havre is a Norman name and itðs of Scandinavian origins. But French it is not. French was not even a language of literature when Norman literature was florishing. The Normans have always been much better novelists than the French.
Anquetil79 8 months ago
@Anquetil79 and i say this as a norman (originating from lehavre)
agricola 1 year ago
@agricola Norman identity is alive and well as is our language and going stronger each year because people are showing interest in their origins again after the fascist French centralism and it's lies.
And I say this as a Norman from the Pays d'Auge ;)
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 ok, i'm happy for you! but don't start thinking of getting back your territories in southern italy or england!
GetitUnderCool 8 months ago
Si les normans etaient si fier d'etre des vikings et des scandinaves, et qu'ils haissaient tellement la France, vous auriez tous deja quitté ce pays.
Des hypocrites comme les bretons, nicois, alsaciens, et autres milliers de communautes en France...Quand les temps vont bien on est fier d'etre un Franc...et des que ca va mal on se regionalise tout de suite...Comportement typique...Et bien franchouillard ce qui malheureusement prouve bien que vous etes bien francais :D
GuerrierEuropeen 1 year ago
@hashimirasama Yes Norman is tough in Cherbourg with no aid from the French state. We should be getting full aid from the French state to all Norman schools to teach Norman. Not something done because of the will of good people who refuse to see their language die. There you go again with falls accusations, the weapon of people who have no arguments. The only person who has been calling names is you.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
Why do we not have all the media in the Norman language? Why is it in French? French was a foreign language in Normandy until 150 years ago. Do show me the politeness to give me an example of how I am incoherent when you come with such a statement.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 Because Norman that was widely spoken in Normandy 150 years ago was only and still only is a dialect of French = French language it's a fact! ;) Now Occitan (with its 6 main dialects...), Basque, and Breton those are languages of their own! Arpitan, Burgudian, Poitevin and Saintongeais, Picard are dialects of French (langue d'oil). Alsacian is a dialect of German, Francique of Alemanique. Those are linguistic facts! Even Gallo mix of Breton + l.d'o is a French dialect spoken by Celts
AuxaneD 8 months ago
@AuxaneD There was no ALL Gaul and never was. They speak of the GAULS not Gaul. Armoricans were completely different in culture from the Belgae or Celts or Aquitanians. The Norman language has massively influenced the French Oil dialect that became to be known as French not the other way around. The French language is only one of the many Oil languages not the original tongue. French has less Frankish influences than Norman has Scandinavian by far NB.
Anquetil79 8 months ago
@hashimirasama Are you not the one full of contempt towards my Norman culture? Do you think the Normans spoke French? No they spoke Norman as still 20 000 of us continental Normans do. Instead of the majority speaking it before the French state took things in charge one century and a half ago. In Jersey and Guernsey the Norman language has an official status but not in French ruled continental Normandy, why is that in the land of liberty?
Anquetil79 1 year ago
Guess there is no liberty for people to speak their own language as the only official language is French. The only country in Europe to do so NB. But continental and insular Normans still meet and honor their culture in the Fête des Rouaisouns festivals held every year. And were are you even from "hashimirasama" ?
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@hashimirasama All I wrote is correct. Only your reaction is not. It is the one of a person not ready to accept what has been done. A hear no evil see no evil mentality. My grandmother does not speak French but Norman. Is she a foreigner in her own country because she does not speak French? Same can be said of old Breton people.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79
First, Norman Language is still taught in Cherbourg.
Two, your comments are getting more & more incoherent.
I know where it's going; I've been there before. You're gonna through at me all your frustrations, make heinous provocations & finally you'll be calling names.
Well, I say stop it!
it was nice to have a little chat with you. Goodbye.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
Why should we have to learn French in schools and not our own Norman language that has been ours for a 1000 years? In France to be French you have to speak French. People say "We are in France here we speak French" Well I am from Normandy, my language is Norman, we should speak Norman not French as we have been forced to.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 All our ancestors in all FRENCH regional cultures (me Occitan, of the Auvergne region, meaning i speak the Auvergnat dialect) have been forced by jacobine stupidity to not ACCUMULATE languages and dialects with a vehicular common language (langue d'oil/French) but replace it, that is the problem, not the fact that those stupid revolutionary were your French brothers. Normandy before it was granted was part of Gaul, all Gaul = all France today, whether Aquitania, Belga, Septimania...
AuxaneD 8 months ago
@hashimiirasama C'mon don't pretend there has not been a cultural genocide going on in the French state, specially between 1860-1950, on my Norman culture and others.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79
Now you just sound ridiculous!
And stop it with "my Norman culture". You don't have the ownership of Normandy.
Do even listen to what you say? Do you even realize how crazy it sounds?
We were enjoying a nice documentary about Normandy & now you're hurling heinous comments about France & you're OK with it?
What a pity!
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 "C'mon don't pretend there has not been a cultural genocide going on in the French state, specially between 1860-1950, on my Norman culture and others." This is true. But denying that Normans (not the few Norse settling in the 9th century and granted the duchy, who mixed with the local population so much that their DNA was the same 3 centuries later, their religion christianity and their language a dialect of French) were French won't change that. WE French, have to change our state
AuxaneD 8 months ago
@AuxaneD The few norse settling in the terrictory? Again you talk like a maniac French nationalist who is complexed against the Vikings. There was a Scandinavian settlement in Normandy (Land of the Vikings) for over one century. Starting before the official grant in 911 and still going on in the reign of Richard II duke of Normandy. And they came from all over including Denmark, Norway, Danelaw the Orkneys etc. We know this from the massive amount of place names they left what origins they had.
Anquetil79 8 months ago
@AuxaneD We Normans don't even look like the French.....Same DNA were did you get that? Show me your studies about us having the same DNA as the fucking French lol? I dare you to show me these studies or are they just your invention in a desperate atempt to find some kind of unified French DNA? Since when has Christianity been a French religion?We French? Fuck you, we Normans hate the French, just read the Normans Wace and Andre de Coutances who mocked the French for being cowards. Brothers ahah
Anquetil79 8 months ago
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legomyeggo713 8 months ago
@legomyeggo713 A bit impossible to trace yourself back that far, yes; you might be meddled with them, but ancestry that long ago is impossible to trace.
leeho98 6 months ago
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Anquetil79 1 year ago
All because "La langue est le moyen et le symbole de l’unité" or "Elle incarne les valeurs de distinctions et de pureté". And that language is not my Norman one, or Brezhoneg, Gallo, Picard, Flemish, Alsatian, Occitan, Bask or Corsican. Are our languages lesser languages than French? My Norman language has an older literature tradition than French but yet it is falsely called a patois of French. Cultural genocide by the French state via assimilation is a fact.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
Hmmm Norman hasn't an older litterature tradition than Old French/Langue d'oïl. False. Gallo, Picard, Flemish and Alsatian are dialects of other languages respectively French, Dutch and German...Basque, Corsican and Occitan are languages indeed and ALL dialects or LANGUAGES of France should be equally respected and developped to thrive. A nations which destroys its roots is dead, and we are shooting ourselves in the foot doing so! So we agree on that!
AuxaneD 8 months ago
@AuxaneD Bullshit French is not the origin of the other Oil languages French is only one of the many Oil languages who all evolved from Gallo-Roman speach and who developed separatly from each other. The oldest surviving work of "French"literature is the Song of Rolland that was written in Norman by the Norman Turold and it is the original version. The Normans were having literature written in Norman in Normandy and Norman ruled England when Latin was still used by the French for theirs.
Anquetil79 8 months ago
Culture can not be dictated by nationality and never has. I as a Norman am loyal to my Norman people in Jersey and Guernsey and not to the French no less than a Bask who is loyal to his Basks people on the Spanish borders. The French nation is a fictional creation based upon the imposed French language and trough it assimilation of all into a well defined French culture that has been created via the school system and media full of contempt for the "lesser" languages and cultures.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@hashimirasama Nice that you're quiting the insults. Infact it is indeed pausible that she might have originated in Flanders so again not French. So why do you say she was? But whatever her origins she was Norman by culture and language as all people who settled Normandy and became Normans.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 I knew it was a waste of time!
Those issues about French nationality vs local culture are artificial. Once again, this is the 21st century.
When I called you a lunatic it wasn't an insult, I just drew a logical conclusion from your comments.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
Scandinavians settled for over a century and with them came diverse people such as Irish and Frisians, creating a new culture and identity, Norman culture and identity. The same we still have today and must protect from French attempts to elliminate it. Most of the Vikings were rewarded with lands and became farmers.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
Our Norman word for forest is lund from Scandinavian forexample, mare being another nordic term. Names describing farming activities are plentfull in Norman. The vocabulary of our Norman language is not only influenced by norse via maritim terms like French is (who got it from our Norman Oil language).
Anquetil79 1 year ago
Norman is influenced from norse by all aspects of everyday life. So what the decendents of the Scandinavians in the beguining of the 11th century would have done or not is doublious to claim here as in not being tanners. And in the time of Arlette we are talking about Norman people not Scandinavian settlers even if there were still fresh settlements.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@jonteisyxa yes indeed but only one of us is a Norman ;)
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@sirasy I guess you can´t read well...
Anquetil79 1 year ago
I'm descended from Norwegian Vikings and I need somplace to drydock my longboat this fall when it's heavy in the water. Will someone let me use their front yard? Saying no could be a mistake - just ask the French!
frilb 1 year ago
Hehe, not all Normans in Normandy are necessarily descendents of vikings. The vikings settled and intermarried with native Frankish peoples which I do believe outnumber the invaders under Rollo. By the age of Norman administrative efficiency, an organized army, the implementation of an evolved old Germanic feud system named feudalism, Normans were generally been heavily influenced by the Franks.
But retaining the ferocity and the adventurous attitude of their forefathers, the vikings.
dishwasherman83 1 year ago
@dishwasherman83 The Scandinavian settlement of what became Normandy was not only made by the men of Hrolfur AKA Rollon AKA Rou in Norman. The Scandinavians started to settle before that time and for over a century well into the reign of Richard II of Normandy. Place names show their origins. Danes, Norwegians, Anglo-Danes. Irish-Norwegians and some from Orkney and Sweden but in a lesser degree. There had also been a Saxon colony before the existance of Normandy in that part of Neustria.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
.... why the hell do people always say the Normans were French???? they were different, the only thing they shared with France was the language (and actually, if you look closer at the Normans' language there are many words that you can see come directly from Norse). When the Normans invaded England and France tried to gain something from it the Normans refused the French a look in. Even the Normans distanced themselves form the French.
AquilaRomana8 1 year ago
@AquilaRomana8
when they invaded England Normans where in France for 300 years intermarrying with the local people of northern France which is why they quickly adopted French language and customs. By opposition, the vikings of the Danelaw realm (in Northern England) never mixed with English which caused conflicts.
Even Duke William had more French blood then viking blood by both his mother , Arlette (a French commoner) & his grandmother (by his father) Judith de Rennes (a Briton aristocrat).
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@hashimirasama Actualy the vikings mix with english Harold himself had Scandanivian ancestors xD
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@hashimirasama Let's talk about the origins of William. His mother was Norman so she was not French. She was a decendant of the people who made up the Norman people. AKA the diverse Scandinavians settlers, Saxons, Frisians, Franks and of course Gallo-Romans. Also the Bretons are NOT French, that is like saying the Welsh are English....The mother of his grandfather Richard II was a Norman woman of Danish origins named Gunnora. William (Willaume in Norman) was Norman of Nordic-Breton origins.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 Arlette was famously not of Scandinavian extraction. She was the daughter of a French tanner. Read a history book please.
BTW Normandy was already populated before the Viking colonization & in fact the French inhabitants didn't just vanish.
PS: Every time I talk about the medieval age with British people it turns into a debate about race. I don't think the ethnicity of William is the issue but whether or not Brits have a complex of superiority towards French people.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 I've just taken a look at your Channel. I guess you're one of those BNP fanatics I meet on every historical videos about Normandy.
I understand now why you like to trash France.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@AquilaRomana8
...After, six generation they weren't vikings anymore. Besides when Knut the Great of Denmark (who belonged to a rival dynasty) rose to power in 1016 the dukes of Normandy were even eager to strengthen there ties with France and turned there back on there Scandinavian cousins.
Moreover, in 1066 Normandy didn't have the manpower to invade England. The army of Duke William was recruited all across France (At Hastings, the whole left flank of the Norman host was in fact Briton)...
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@hashimirasama Again Britons werent French and rigth flank was composed of Flemish not French aswell!
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@ImperialGuard9001one third of William's army was Briton, do your homework.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@hashimirasama I said otherwise? It was mainly Normans Bretons not Britons and Flemish
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@ImperialGuard9001
BTW, Britons aren't French? Well that's a scoop!!!
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@AquilaRomana8
...Whenever an Englishmen point out the fact that Normandy was autonomous or spoke a specific dialect they forgot to mention that it was the case everywhere in France at the time. The Duchy of Brittany, Burgundy,... were all pretty much independent with strong cultural identities and all speaking different dialects of the "langues d'oïl" (France wasn't linguistically unified yet).
The Normans were French by blood (not exclusively) by customs & language...
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@hashimirasama In Brittanny they didnt spoke a "languaes d´oil) they spoke Bryttonic derivaded langues that is completly different group of languages with origin on British Islands. Burgundy had mixture of Germanic tongues aswell so isnt all d´oil like in Gascony and South of France were they spoke Occitan you seing in worng perpective is french not the normans that were never a peope they are more a colection of peoples joined under Isle of France goverment xD
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@ImperialGuard9001
You miss the point. France wasn't united whether by its language, culture, or government. The king was less powerful than his vassals (who were all pretty much independent).
The north spoke the "langue d'oïl" (like norman french) the south spoke the "langue d'oc".
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@hashimirasama So your point is? Some werent even vassals to the French King but to the "English" king like Gascony that for ages was part of England
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@ImperialGuard9001
For hundreds of years France was nothing more than a collection of Fiefdoms build on the ruins of the roman empire. It took centuries for the young Capetian dynasty to unite them under the royal rule & create a national identity.
To highlight the specific identity of the region of Normandy and discriminate them from the rest of France is missing the point.
That's what I mean.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@AquilaRomana8
...The question isn't whether they were French or not neither how many generations does it take to turn a viking in a French.
The Question is whether Englishmen are able to acknowledge this fact.
For century now England has cultivated a sentiment of superiority toward France & French people.
The idea that the Saxons could be defeated by French is just unthinkable.
If William had lost at Hastings he would have been remembered as a bloody French spanked by the mighty Saxons.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@hashimirasama I dont agree Normans were seen as more or less "equals" at the time it thanks for Normandy-England "contacts" that William was able to conquer England in first place he was involved in English politics Harold himself spent time in Normandy even fighing for William in battles against Bretons even saving a Norman Knigth! Normans themselfs never saw themselfs as French and saw them in same eyes as the future english
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@ImperialGuard9001 you miss the point again!
Whenever Englishmen are defeated by a French warrior the downplay its French origin and emphasize whatever foreign ascendancy he has (read what English bloggers say about Napoleon).
When they defeat a French army they emphasize the French nature of the other side.
This is a defense mechanism that help preserve their world view of English people being superior to their French neighbors.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@hashimirasama BUt not for this case the Normans were Normans end of discussion is reason why they are called Normans and not French they were mixture of Viking and Franks thats true but they were a people they were Normans or the Normans that went South of Italy are French aswell?
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@hashimirasama We Normans are not French period. The French of today want to use the Norman conquest as a means for French propaganda.The French tend to downplay Norman and others identities to make them French. Our Norman language is not a patois of French but an Oil language as is French, Gallo etc. French is only one of the many Oil languages.Most inhabitants of Jersey and Guernsey (The islands are not a part of the UK) are Normans, they are our people even if we have different papers by law
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 You're no Norman, you're a British Crown Dependency, an English colony with extended autonomy.
You're a Brit now live with it.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@hashimirasama I am from the Pays d'Auge in continental Normandy. But I would never put "France" as my country on YT since I am Norman. Prove to me that Arlette had no Scandinavian origins. How do you know exactly? How am I a BNP fanatic? You can't say that the mother of William was French since she was Norman. Why don't you call the French Gauls since they did not vanish when the Franks arrived? Williams mother was Norman, had a Norman culture and spoke Norman how was she not Norman again?
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 Listen , I'm done debating with far right-wing fanatics; I tried it once it's like debating with a wall it's pointless. I'm not gonna waste my time anymore.
Apparently you want Normandy to be independent, well good chance. I want Essex to be independent (since it used to be a kingdom in the 6th century AD), how about that?
You can't remake history on the Internet.
Do you realize how delusional it sounds?
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@hashimirasama You can't debate that is all. No need to hide it with false acusations who are a result of your frustration.
For people here interested in my Norman culture, google "Norman language" "Norman law" "Norman architecture" "Anglo-Norman literature" "Roman de Rou". For Norman groups defending our Norman identity google groups such as the "Normanring" "Mouvement Normand"
Also check the group "dreknor" who have made the Viking ship of our forefathers visible again in Normandy.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 You're a lunatic.
I'm not gonna waist my time on you're separatist blogs; it's pathetic!
This is not the medieval age this is the 21st century and you're not a viking you're a delusional nerd who's waisting is time (and mine) on the Internet.
What are you trying to do next, invade england to prove you're William's true descendant?
The dark age is over. Wake up!!!!!!
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@hashimirasama Why do you behave like a child and trow insults instead of coming with valid arguments. Who is talking about being a Viking? Who is talking about invading England? How was the mother of William French when she was Norman? How do you know she had no Scandinavian blood? Were are your sources for your statementsof "Arlette was famously not of Scandinavian extraction. She was the daughter of a French tanner" This tanner was Norman by the way. Come with solid facts not fantasy.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 Lisrten the life & origins of William's mother was described by Guillaume de Jumièges in "Gesta Normannorum ducum" in the 11th century.
Arlette de Falaise was the daughter of a French tanner (which BTW was typically the type of job the Viking settlers would shun & let for the local people). But more important he described how in fact she was born in the city of "Hyu" (modern day Belgium).
If you don't believe me, read Elisabeth van Houts, she wrote a whole book about her.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@Anquetil79
BTW the name of her father Fulbert was in fact very common in Flanders (modern day Belgium & Holland) and apparently Doda (her mother) got a Scottish name but I'm less sure of it.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
The French can't accept that there is something called a Norman culture and civilisation that was created by the Scandinavians mixing with the people of diverse origins there (They were not a French people and the Franks had minor influences in these parts of Gaul, we have more Pre-Normandy Saxon place names than Frankish). Good for you to be comunicating in a polite manner.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79
Listen I don't know where you heard that French people don't accept there is a Norman culture. Of course there is (even though I wouldn't talk about a whole civilization). You're a victim of a persecution of your own making.
BTW my interest in Norman culture was the very reason why I watched this video on Youtube in the first place.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
... Over the ages English scholars would have emphasized William's French nature if he had lost.
The victory of Harold Godwinson over William would have been the cornerstone of English pride. But since William was victorious English textbooks intend to distance him from this heritage.
hashimirasama 1 year ago
@hashimirasama Actualy English always talked about Normans as Franks and always talked about them in bad away emphastasing the bad deeds and atrocides comited in England and not otherwise the English(Anglo Saxons) are always the tragic heroes and not the opositive.William was Frankished Viking xD
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
I was speaking hypothetically!
hashimirasama 1 year ago
I'm proud to be a Norman and from Normandy.
Anquetil79 1 year ago 10
@Anquetil79
nice :D
then i guess we are both descendants of the vikings :P
Jonteisyxa 1 year ago 5
@Jonteisyxa Vi Svenskar är mer besläktade med folk i Ryssland och Östra Europa än i Normandy eller Brittiska öarna.
leeho98 6 months ago
@Anquetil79 :
When you say "from" normandy, do you mean your ancestors, or you ?
If you, i shtere still a remnant of a town called "joise", there ?
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 1 year ago
@Anquetil79
why r u pruod?
sirasy 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 : moi aussi !!! :))
tubolic 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 what are people from alsace? german or french? FRANKS?? the franks were germanic
MrBillcale 1 year ago
@MrBillcale The people of Alsace are neither French or German but Alsatians. They descend from the Germanic Alamani tribe.
Anquetil79 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 that is what i am
MrBillcale 1 year ago
@Anquetil79 Yet they speak a dialect of German. Linguistically it's a FACT, just like Norman is a dialect of Langue d'oïl = Old French = French.
AuxaneD 8 months ago
@Anquetil79 Proud to be a Dane from Denmark which is Normans
SAHELLMAND 5 months ago
@SAHELLMAND
Hello cousin, I owe my family name Anquetil to my Danish forefathers. Check out the video on my front page and see we in Normandy have not forgotten our ancestors.
Anquetil79 5 months ago