RE: Eckhart Tolle "Current Economy - Embracing Uncertainty"

[ballparkfrank33]

Hey guy, just keep in mind that alot of Tolle is just E.I. practically applied. He is asking us to dispense with our fears in order to attain a clearer perception of the here and now...the spiritual aspect is of vague origin, I'll admit.

[DarrylWThomas]

@ballparkfrank33 The problem I have with Tolle is that he presents his opinions as if they are undiluted schematics for the truth, which they are not. His opinions, however he came about them, are only the sum of his beliefs. And from what I understand about "emotional intelligence" (EI), it's that it also misleads thru religious nonsense thru appealing to such hopeful gibberish as "connections to higher consciousness" that allegedly help us lead more fulfilling lives. Really?.

[ballparkfrank33]

@DarrylWThomas I can respect your opinion...after all, most who come as teachers or guides will sound this confident (perhaps arrogant). But only take from Tolle what is useful to you. I merely liked his approach to blocking pain and accepting distasteful realities. And as far as E.I. goes, maybe you would benefit from looking at some of the finer points such as avoiding manipulation or getting what you want from your boss. EI also covers dealing w/ jesus freaks-enjoy!

[MrMusicobsession]

Just curious Darryl. have you read eckharts books?.. What he teaches can't be understood at the level of your mind, or you would completely miss his point. which it seems you have done. You will understand what he is saying when you stop thinking.thats how people know he is telling the truth 1 year later after reading eckharts books my life is 100% better. Practising/ experiencing what he teaches is how you find out how he knows.u are a smart man darryl, but this is not about being smart. 

[DarrylWThomas]

@MrMusicobsession If Tolle's perspectives helps you live a more effective life, then more power to you. That's not what this vlog was about. It was about Tolle presenting his beliefs about "embracing uncertainty" as if they were truths. They are only beliefs, and it's potentially dangerous if people take his beliefs for the 'truth.'

[MrMusicobsession]

@DarrylWThomas Embracing uncertainties is a big part of eckharts teachings. It is also why i am living such a brilliant life. I can see why you debate it, 1 year ago if i stumbled acrooss that video i wouldn't of even watched it. I think it was intended for people that are practicing eckharts teachings, mostly in his books. thats all. Anyway all the best, life is a game mate, play it! ;)

[DarrylWThomas]

@MrMusicobsession I'm glad your life is so brilliant, because that's the most important thing to you New Agers. As long as YOUR life is working out, fuck everyone else. That's not such an enlightened way to live, not considering what is best for all. But beware, you are in a polarity and subject to the Job experience. We will see if your reliance on Tolle will get you through.

[MrMusicobsession]

@DarrylWThomas I don't rely on him Darrl, His words help me, along side many other teachers, he is not the only one teaching this mate. and for the record, I donated everything i have, i barley have a home, i make money playing guitar, and i have spent the last six months doing charity work.. and i love it!!.. Its about concious doing, not concious not doing. There in alot more to his teachings, that would make sense of that video, whether you like it or not you missed the point :S

[DarrylWThomas]

@MrMusicobsession You DO rely on his wonderfully wise words, if just to become a more effective human. You trust him as an "expert" of sorts. You couldn't do it on your own. You couldn't make your life "better" without reading what Tolle had to say. In other words, you have a theological commitment to anything Tolle says. If Tolle says, "embrace uncertainty," by God you will, if only because of your desire to have someone greater than you to tell you what the "truth" is. You made him God.

[MrMusicobsession]

@DarrylWThomas He pointed me to look inside for happiness, not outside, that is all. i have not added anything to myself, i have just uncovered what was already there, with help. simply by stoping unnessasary thoughts (negative thoughts), i did that not him, it is about, stoping people from trying to add things to themself and realising they already have everything. Its a experience not a belief, in the same way you know your hand hurts if you punch a wall, i know i have everything i need.

[DarrylWThomas]

@MrMusicobsession That's another thing these New Age figures have always promoted: enlightened self-interest. There's a big old world "out there" that needs addressing, but they teach that ignoring it and working on personal happiness (and we're really talking about money) is some kind of spiritual evolution. It isn't. The New Age that Tolle represents is all about money. Not that I blame them, cuz without money, you're TOAST. They know $=Happiness. That is why they sell it to others: Big Bucks.

[TheWizzardOfRandom]

Embracing uncertainty is one of the most powerful ways to free yourself of fear of the unknown, it doesn't really matter who has said it. When you allow yourself to accept that anything can and will happen, you are no longer enslaved by this need to predict, prepare and control the uncontrollable. And by allowing yourself to be, in this way, powerless, you're allowing yourself to truly become empowered.

[DarrylWThomas]

@TheWizzardOfRandom That's not what Tolle was pushing. He's pushing a speculative, imaginary perspective and passing it off as some kind of fact. I don't see the point in embracing uncertainty, because then you are subject to it and not directing self. I embrace certainty through self-movement, not through New Age positive-thinking mumbo jumbo.

[TheWizzardOfRandom]

@DarrylWThomas Ahh I suppose I see what you're saying, except, I don't really understand why you feel the need to direct the self against uncertainty. That, when you think about it, is impossible. Not only is it impossible, it's also destructive to your health. We are all subject to uncertainty, with or without acceptance of this truth. When you embrace the idea of the uncertain, you are accepting that there are things that we cannot change. From acceptance, comes peace and empowerment.

[DarrylWThomas]

@TheWizzardOfRandom If you're not directing yourself, you are being directed by something. Tolle is making a claim, nothing he is saying can be considered a fact. One acts or one reacts to the feedback or what is accepted and allowed. Obviously there is uncertainty, but Tolle is not offering an effective response, as it is couched in commoditized New Age/New Thought jargon. Tolle (and maybe you) do not realize that "truth" can never be found - it's always Made. It's always an opinion...

[TheWizzardOfRandom]

@DarrylWThomas Ah, recognizing that truth can never be found is accepting uncertainty. By stating "If you're not directing yourself, you are being directed by something," you are stating that the action of not directing yourself is possible. So, if something is directing you, what is directing? I agree, a "truth" may never be found, which is why I'm not saying that I am right or wrong. My rightness and wrongness is uncertain lol. I embrace it. That is why we aren't arguing, we are discussing :)

[DarrylWThomas]

@TheWizzardOfRandom " So, if something is directing you, what is directing?" That's what one needs to find out. We are all done things that we later look back and say,"Why did I do that?" We are also moved by unconscious and subconscious drives that we might not be aware of, so the question, "what is directing" in these cases must be answered. "Embracing" such uncertainties is not effective. A line of certainty, however small, must be embarked upon for that is the expression of the will.

[kiengb]

Eckhart Tolle's is mixing shIT with shIT = SHIT!

CONsciousness to newer CONsciousness...

Like I m getting FUCKED by LIARS now I am getting more FUCKED by more LIARS...

How FUCK UP can I get 'SELF' FUCKED

FUCK YOU eckHURT tOLD!

[DarrylWThomas]

@kiengb Well said.

[exthema]

You are bringing a lot of questions but no answer obviously, very easy role to play at the end... Keep asking questions you may get answers...But why are you so protecting the ego if it's not him that whispering you your speech??? It's just an answer... Wish you Peace & Light

[DarrylWThomas]

@exthema I have an ANSWER all right. Do not follow other people's opinions unless you have checked up and sorted through the available evidence for yourself. Learn the difference between fact and make-believe. Discern if people REALLY KNOW what they are talking about or passing their opinions off as "facts" like Mr. Tolle is wont to do. Answers alone are not enough. If I give you the answer "3" for the question "1+1=what," you do have an answer, but what premise is the answer based on correct?

[oliviamulgrew]

:)  listening to your videos :)

[DarrylWThomas]

@TadRapidly So you've experienced this "enlightened state of unity" all the time, or does this just happen in your mind? That's the point. A metaphysician can say his experience is 'enlightened' and you just have to 'believe him' because nobody can prove someone else's experience. And I'm glad you think I'm difficult. I must have spoiled your day with a little common sense.

[TadRapidly]

Eckhart Tolle IS enlightened. Enlightenment is just a memory that is stored inside you and that gets triggered by some words or some event. it is an experience that WILL show you the truth of yourself. ET is NOT disingenuous; just the opposite: he is pointing you toward a truth about yourself that give you immense relief from ego-ifdentification. it happened to me, brother. believe it or not.

[DarrylWThomas]

@TadRapidly A 'memory?" That's interesting because while that idea has been around since Greek Antiquity with Socrates and Plato, it has never been proven to be so, just a 'reason given' to 'explain things ' that 'sound plausible." If what you say were "true," everyone would have these memories or be 'enlightened" (whatever THAT means). It IS disingenuous because Tolle is making claims and passing them off as metaphysical knowledge of reality. To say otherwise would hurt book sales, I guess.

[davemack43]

Carry on questioning, but you'll get it, you know why, your EGO wont give up untill it understands. Been it, done it, and still wear the T-shirt, but I got it, and now my EGO understands how it hurts itself by not caring for the collective. Took a while though but it was worth it!

[DarrylWThomas]

@davemack43 Is questioning the justification of Tolle's statement that 'there's an intelligence directing these events' ego or asking a question? He has to justify his claims and show me how he's come to believe what he says is true. Ego? Really, now.

[mailw1n]

Bernard should understand what I am saying - perhaps you could ask him what I mean? 1

[RobertW1809]

lol you are so cool!

[mailw1n]

The Uncertainty is that of "letting go", "go with The Flow", "being The Observer - this requires a Clear Mind.



[DarrylWThomas]

@mailw1n The 'clear mind' trope of Jiddu Krishnamurti is an earlier version of the Oprah Winfrey-endorsed, positive thinking pudding peddled by these New Age philosophers. But even a 'clear mind' could possibly be preferable that sitting around waiting for Divine Intelligence to sort out your world, provided one could

see the crisis for what it is and acts accordingly.

[mailw1n]

@DarrylWThomas By "Clear Mind" I mean a "No-Mind State". Anyway, these are just words. You know what I mean when you're in The Flow as the Observer without thoughts you stumble over. (I speak of what I know by my own experience. Krishnamurti and Oprah are words that are in you're head connected to other words etc.). 1

[DarrylWThomas]

@mailw1n Tolle is pulling people into a state of uncritical, fluffy lightweenyism that will ill-prepare them to handle adversity, that's my point (if you wish to speak to that).

It is irresponsible for people to speak about an 'intelligence behind phenomena ' that is directing world events as if it's a manifested reality like the moon or the sun.

[mailw1n]

@DarrylWThomas People are responsible for their own choice/experience. Don't worry about shit. Just focus, be, live. Know You're essentially God. Show other people what God can do.

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[DarrylWThomas]

@mailw1n What does 'essentially God' mean? To me, God is this invisible, mental concept that nobody has ever proven to exist. Why should I trust what you say is true? What is your criteria for accepting that an invisible 'god' is in fact 'real?'

[markoctavio]

@DarrylWThomas God is not invisible, God is the sun, the sky, the sea, is you, is everything. Is not the beard guy... no need to see, just feel. I used to believe God didnt exist too. That he/she/or it abandoned us. But he isnt, we choosed to live the experience of the "illusion of being separated from him", dont believe in my words, believe, in your inner sense. You still are looking for the truth, you have a lot of questions, you no need to follow absolutely anyone, just you, cause, (con)

[DarrylWThomas]

@markoctavio My inner sense shows me no "God." But you say we chose to live in the illusion of separation from "God." How do you know that for sure in fact? If "God" is the sky and the sea, why do we pollute them? You are correct in a way - the physical reality is the only 'real' thing that appears to exist. My questions may have no answers, and yet, I will only accept answers that can be verified. Tolle makes claims that he is passing off as 'truth.' It's not cool.

[markoctavio]

@DarrylWThomas To be honest i dont believe in Tolle, i dont like him, dont know why... Im sending you a mail, for response your questions...

[markoctavio]

@DarrylWThomas (con) you have the answer right there, hide inside of you. You just are going to "remmember", and when that happen, you are going to see the world in a very different way. Nobody are going to be able to control you. Just keep looking, of course, if that is your will. Saludos.

[DarrylWThomas]

@markoctavio No, my friend. My seeing the world in a 'different way' still doesn't effectively sort out the world of the 3 billion plus human beings with nothing to eat.

Looking for enlightenment and embracing uncertainty may affect my life in a sublime and wionderful way for a while, but it will do squat for the rest of the world.

Not good enough.

[Ettenyl56]

Dangerous? Just why does this make you afraid? What are the serious ways in which people can be hurt by Tolle's teaching? I find his teachings to be empowering and as far as the invisible world is concerned, well there's the concept of energy, force fields, gravity, magnetism, xrays, plasmas, radio waves, all invisible. At one time in the past many thought these were just fantasy and witchcraft. Knowledge is emergent; quantum physics and metaphysics are catalysts progressing human evolution.

[JoeKouFullCircle]

@Ettenyl56 the metaphysics of Tolle are not an exact science, and is not consistently verifiable. there is no measuring capability to ascertain what Tolle is claiming as "truth" when he opines about the "nature of consciousness" and it's relationship to the manifested world.

we are in a time of crisis on a global scale. "positive thinking" and "inner peace" has been exclaimed by thousands of gurus and "enlightened masters". if this is the track of human evolution, then i dread our destination.

[DarrylWThomas]

@Ettenyl56 I'm afraid for those who cannot see Tolle for what he is, a being who leads people down a path where they place trust in his mostly unverifiable system of invisible metaphysics which he claims will sort out their lives if they just stop worrying and sit back and relax. There is something to mot letting crises make you crazy, but to trust in 'intelligence behind phenomena?' He must prove his claims or say these things are only opinions he holds, not truths.

[JeanneKenneyHere]

Thanks Darryl!!

[MartijndeGraaf1001]

when you see a problem in the world, just embrace the problematic feeling and you trancend to a higher consciousness

lol

a selfish solution

thanks Darryl

[LarysKaziukonis]

The ever appearing duality of ego mind, physicality, imperfection and the divine, god, spirit, higher consciousness that manages everything. Always seen as separate - this is so much accepted and allowed to believe in the 'all-knowing/all-doing/all-wor­king' thing - and to place everything else as just a subject to a concept of perfection. I've been in that mindset for such a long time - I mean WTF!? And I thought over and over - and over again that I'm beyond this duality...

[LLCraver]

yes, common sense darryl and surely dangerous, just because someone wears a sweater vest doesn't mean they can be trusted, and this is no joke. our society is so caught up in 'uniforms' that this passes as harmless and genuine, quite the contrary - he is hypnotizing people into further complacency and acceptance, keeping them thinking it will all work out and this is the 'divine plan'...thanks for posting this

[seraphimra]

One of the reasons I've grown to favor Siddharta's teachings which state, 'When you meet the Buddha, kill him.' It's an interesting and feesible starting point in which, during the episode of Siddharta meeting 'his god', Krishna, Krishna remarked that Siddharta should return to his family and never seek him again. To this extent, Siddharta promptly turned away realizing that even Krishna and/or Krishna consciousness is a fable of the mind. Afterwards, it is said, he never prayed or blessed again

[HERERadio]

Hi Darryl - CooOOOOooooOOOOOL Points!