@raspberrymuffin Sure - you're free to believe in God and go to heaven and hold office and you are free to not believe in God go to hell and not hold public office - can you detect the irony these words ;)
@raspberrymuffin they never were. they'll say anything to get power. if they don't have it, they'll pitch a fit and scream and yell until they get power again. but I'm seeing this from Democrats as well. long story short, politics suck.
For sure. When it comes to republicans vs democrats, it seems they have the different subjects they focus on, but in the end have the same general goal.
Why would anyone want an atheist as a councillor? They use logic, reason, and factual information and a scientific method to rationalize their decisions. Better to have someone that is guided by mysticism, BELIEF in fairy tales, and listening to their inner voice. In case you can't tell I'm being extremely sarcastic. Wise up people, religion brings misery and confusion. Only a religious person would look at this situation and think they had a ghost of a chance to be right when blatantly wrong
@4567pic i for one would feel much safer if all holders of public office had to believe in magic.
its so scary :s 21st century and the majority of the world still believe in magic. not sure why ppl go to the doctor rather than pray tho. guess sometimes science > praying to a magic man in the sky.
Q: would a person ever get elected President if he/she were an Atheist and a single person? I don't think so. Does it bother anyone else here that a person, no matter how qualified, would never become President if he/she were a single Atheist person? What about a gay person? Would he/she ever become President? I just don't understand why some people think that ones religion or lack of or sexual orientation should lead them to such conclusions. Is my question reasonable?
Hooray for The United States! Isn't is great to live in such a Christian based country? I feel safer when unbelievers of all types aren't allowed to hold office. Thank the Rounding Fathers for that!
I agree that they shouldnt...only on one term. What defines moral law to an atheist? If nothing else the Bible teaches perfect moral law that mankind has upheld as the standard for thousands of years.Many who hold office claim christian but that dosent mean they are. Simply means they believe in the doctrine and nothing more. So, its not that big of a deal anyways. I have never seen a true christian hold a public office yet.
Yes, the bible has real people and real places in it. I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and say these are amazing finds. BUT, this proves the existence of a god as much as finding New York proves the existence of Spiderman.
And what about Israeli archeologists finding no evidence for the exodus after a century of excavation?
This coming from people who want nothing more than to claim the deed to the holy land.
@TylerOmega Typically I would agree, but a lot of the things that I commented were actually first researched by Isreali archeologist...but, strangly enough, they were all atheist. You dont find what you dont want to. They do not prove God, only that a people were acting under what they believed was God and that there is nothing found yet contradicting the Bible. God even says that he will confirm himself to those who will follow him, thus my first statement "not that it matters to christians"
@KesslersCross So you are telling us every single archeologist looking for evidence for the exodus is an atheist? What is your reference/source of information? I would think there would be plenty of theists doing that work in order to prove it HAPPENED, just as they have searced Mount Ararat for Noah's Ark (and faked finding it several times). And did God really say "he will confirm himself to those who will follow him"? If memory serves, Charles Manson said something eerily similar.
@KesslersCross How can you say "If nothing else the Bible teaches perfect moral law that mankind has upheld as the standard for thousands of years?" Perfect? Really? I assume you have READ the Bible, and since you make it a point to say "upheld as the standard for THOUSANDS of years" that means you are necessarily including the 600+ OT Laws which modern Christians try desperately to distance themselves from. I see nothing moral in ethnic cleansing, genocide, infanticide, fratricide & slavery.
As long as there is religeon there will be war and oppresion, so many religeous people yet so much hate in the world....i've never understood it. All through blind faith too, not a shred of evidence =p
@edwadolaszlo Eh, as a Pastor I have to say your statement was not completely accurate on some points but I do believe the term religeon starting wars is pretty correct.
@KesslersCross Please enlighten me. I can think of 10 + mainstream religeons, all believing in simelar principles and origins. They all came about 1-3000 years ago. In my opinion its persuasive "good talkers" that start them, and those who want unanswerable questions explained that follow. A mix of a fear of that individuals life ending and mans arrogance speaks volumes to me. As does how religoen can control the masses....which isn't a bad thing reguardless of source. Proof of god please?
@edwadolaszlo Blind faith isnt blind if you have proof right? Im probably one of the few christians that admit that if you just set down and read the bible, there is no way that its believable, and God knows that. He says that he would confirm himself to whoever would follow his way, so, to prove God is easy but hes not going to tell me how to convince you, its for you to seek him and he will tell you. More than happy to tell you how to get that confirmation or walk you through it if you like?
@KesslersCross How do you know "god know that"? May i ask exactly what faith you are Pastor, and in your opinion do those whose choose a different god reach enlightenment Hindus and Sikhs for example? Any advice is welcomed. The Bible was wrote by many men over a large period of time....am i wrong?
@edwadolaszlo Also, not that a christian needs it, but many many many archeological finds confirming the Bible have been found. Its not going to prove God though but just thought I would mention it. I have much literature on it that I could send you in a PM if you like?
@TylerOmega 1. Well...here comes a bunch of posts that you may have never heard about.
Deut 27:4 Jushuas Alter on Mt. Ebal
Dr. Adam Zertal, an atheist found no alter on top so it was concluded that it never existed. Though only idol worchiping was for the high grounds, the alter was found in the mountain, just as it was written. Found the center was full of ashes, the ashes of 942 bones belonging to sheep, goats, cattle, all kosher animals.Also,
@TylerOmega 2. of the bones that the age could be determined and sex, the ages and sex were of one year old males...as it is written. Pottery was found dating to the 13 century BC. Egyptian scarabs were found on site of the era of ramses the second.
Kathleen Kenyon, the second archologist there said that it was a city belonging to a much earlier time and could not be the biblical jericho BASED on the absence of Cypriote pottery not found at the site. Brian wood in the late 90s found the pottery.
@TylerOmega 4.He also found an unbroken time line of Egyptian scarabs with dated inscriptions dating from the 18 century (before the exodus ) to the 14 century (where the exodus stops at the time of the conquest ). Storage containers full of grain which would have not been left by invaders, but the bible says it was commanded to be left alone. Also according to the bible it was at the time of the harvest, which would be why there was grain in large quantaties.
@TylerOmega 5.Found, one portion of the wall remaining and a house being on top, just as the bible said (Joshua 2:15). Fallen brick which was found that would have left a ramp up to the city, as the Bible says.
Numbers The prophet Balam
Tell Deir Alla, near jodan excevations found an adminstration center of the amorites. Plaster on the wall that had fallen off had written stories written in black and red ink. There was a number of stories, but they found the story of Balim the Prophet.
@KesslersCross Just for my own edification: is this the same Balaam who had a conversation with his donkey in Numbers 22? If so, he was not only the "seer of the gods"... he was seeing THINGS!
@TylerOmega 7 . 2 silver amulets from the 7th century BC
south of the old test. Jeresulem. Found in 1979, under a collapsed toumb in a corner chamber. Silver amulets rolled up with biblical txt. The txt was numbers 6:24 end of the first temple period.The silver was inscribed on both sides which was very uncommon but is described in Jer 17:1. its predates the deadsea scrolls by 400 years and is EXACTLY as the dead sea scoll texts.
@TylerOmega 8. Jeraboams alter at Tel Dan (northern end of isreal)
Found, and is accredated by the athority of antiquities as being his alter after the kingdom split
Tell Dan inscription
Excuvated in 1993, describes a battle between hazael, king of aram and the kings of Judah and Isreal. (2 chron 22) In the text is "the house of David"
2 sam 5:6 Land of the Jebusites and the house of David
Babalonians destroyed most of everything mentioned.
@TylerOmega 9. A very large structure was found, around the spot that the Bible says that David built his palace. It is dated to the fall of the first temple period by the babalonians At the bottom of this was a room called the archive room. In it was clay seals stamped by officials. 51 of these stamps called bullaes date to the time of the first temple.
@TylerOmega 10. 51 were found, out of the 51, 26 bulas names were mentioned in the bible, one stamped Azariah son of Hilkiah (1 chron 9:11) another says Gemariah son of Shaphan (Jer 36:10) two says Baruch so of Neriah (Jer 36:10) . Another says Jerahmeel son of the king (Jer 36:26)
@TylerOmega If we use the theists' logic that archeological finds "confirm the Bible" by simply proving a place mentioned in it actually existed, we must also accept the existence of Greek Gods since Mount Olympus, the Oracle at Delphi, and many other real places are mentioned in Greek mythology, and Allah is certainly real since the Quran clearly mentions Mecca and other places. I much prefer theists who admit they believe just because it "makes them feel good" to the sort who use junk science.
@Slayerfan84 Don't put a label on Christianity based on the radicals and incompetent people who you see on television. The Christian Gospels are against war and killing innocent people.
As to the video, I think that Church and state should be seperated. Christianity is all about a personal relationship with God, whenever government gets involved, they often corrupt it.
@farter8000 Please explian then, because I read "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" in Matthew 22:39. Loving your neighbor and going to war to kill them don't seem to go together.
@WHATradioFM It does not matter if the gospels are against war due to the horrific atrocities committed in the old testament including the pro war and killing of innocence. You can not quote mine a book to make it good or present the case, for example "My Struggle" by hitler could be considered a teen drama if mined as such: "I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?" without the whole book it is impossible to tell.
@farter8000 I'm not sure what to say about the waring between Israel and other peoples in the Old Testament. I don't think we know enough about it, except that apparently some surrounding cities apparently were wicked in some way. Isreal also had it's own "Manifest Destiny" thing going on. However, we shouldn't do everything, or most of the things that they did, because we live in a different age. Their time was before Christ, a different situation. It's important to take the Bible in context.
@WHATradioFM the slaughter of children and infants during any age is wrong. in no way is that out of context. Also the bible goes over the wars in some detail, enough to see that most all of the wars were nothing but senseless slaughter if they even happened. Its tiring when people say that something is out of context based on the age of which it was written. It does not justify acts of the past. Its like saying it is alright for an insane person to kill because he's insane. Its non-justifiable
@WHATradioFM Where do you get "some surrounding cities apparently were wicked in some way" from? It seems EVERY city in Canaan fit that description, since all were slaughtered to the last man, woman and child. Explain "we shouldn't do everything, or most of the things that they did, because we live in a different age." Does that mean you think it was okay to kill babies in those days? You say it was "a different situation" and "It's important to take the Bible in context." Isn't god unchanging?
In Genesis 15:16 God foretells Abraham that “it will be four generations before your descendants come back here, because I will not drive out the Amorites until they become so wicked that they must be punished.” It seems to me that they were growing evil. In Genesis 18:16-19:29, Abraham pled with God not to destroy Sodom if there were ten innocent people there. When checking the city, two angels in disguise were almost attacked by a gang who wanted to rape them.
@WHATradioFM Lot was also pushed around and mistreated because he was a foreigner. God could not find anyone other than Lot who was innocent, and so He gave Lot’s family the chance to escape.
Before Israel’s invasion of Canaan, there were a several conflicts that they had with Canaanite kings. Arad, a Canaanite king in the Negev attacked Israel and captured some of them (Numbers 21:1-3). Israel destroyed Arad and his cities.
@WHATradioFM Sihon refused Israel passage, went out to fight and was defeated (Numbers 21:21-26). All his cities were destroyed. Men, women and children were slain (Deuteronomy 2:26-36). Israel took possession of his land. The Amorites in Jazer were dispossessed (Numbers 21:32). No other details were recorded. Og of Bashan fought Israel (21:33-35). Sixty cities along with many walled and unwalled villages were destroyed. Men, women and children were all slain (Deuteronomy 3:1-11) .
@WHATradioFM Midian was destroyed for tempting Israel into idolatry (Numbers 31:3-19). All Midianite cities and encampments were burned. Only female virgins were allowed to live. However, not all of the Midianites were destroyed, or else there wouldn’t be any to oppress Israel later in Judges 6:3.
Not all of the Canaanites were slaughtered during the invasion, as there are a few times when God tells them to drive them out. You can’t kill them all and drive them out too.
@WHATradioFM The verses where God gives the Israelites commands of what to do with the Canaanite tribes are a bit more complicated than slaughtering them all. (Exodus 23:31-33, 34:11-16, Numbers 33:50-56, Deuteronomy 7:1-5, 12:2-3, 20:10-18) The first five are telling the Israelites to drive them out.
@WHATradioFM The last one tells the Israelites that if they attack a city, to give a chance for them to surrender as slaves, and if they choose to fight, to kill only the men, and tells them to kill everyone in the cities that God tells them to, “that they will not make you sin against the Lord by teaching you to do all the disgusting things that they do in the worship of their gods.”
@WHATradioFM I’m just telling you what the Bible says about it. Not everything is said, so some things can only be guessed. One might assume the worst, and if it is the worst then it is hard to stomach, and we might think that what He did wasn’t fair.
@WHATradioFM However, we can’t just judge God by what we would’ve done, because of what God says in Isaiah 54:8-9 “My thoughts are not like yours, and my ways are different from yours. As high as the heavens are above the earth, so high are my ways and thoughts above yours.” Have you considered the possibility that His sense of justice might me more developed than ours?
@WHATradioFM When we say that “well God wouldn’t do this or that…,” we’re making God’s actions submit to our reasoning, like as if God would only do the things that you would do. Doesn’t that seem a bit arrogant of the person that claims to have superior justice to God?
When I said that we shouldn’t do most of what they did, I meant that while God commanded them to destroy and drive out Canaanites, He didn’t say to do this today.
That conquering was God destroying a wicked culture and replacing it with ancient Israel, and ended thousands of years ago. As for whether killing babies were ok, I would think that it was not. However, Canaanite religion had been notorious for child sacrifices to their gods. I don’t think that’s right either. I know that two wrongs don’t particularly make a right, but I’m just pointing out that the Canaanites were not above killing babies or maybe didn’t think much of them, like cattle.
@WHATradioFM As for God being unchanging, yes that is true. He is immutable in character and knowledge and existence. However we’ve changed and circumstances have changed. Since the Canaanite invasion, the world had developed further, and God, in His sense of justice, saw it right to send His own Son into the world to live as a human and to be spit upon and die as a criminal and rise again so that our broken relationship with Him could be restored.
@WHATradioFM In this “different situation” God tells those who believe in Christ to follow His ways, the way He lived His life, because we’re not meant to be literally destroying cities and making physical war. Our kingdom is not worldly as is the governments of the US, England, China, etc.
I hope I haven't annoyed you with all these posts. Youtube couldn't fit it in one comment.
@WHATradioFM, “Have you considered the possibility that His sense of justice might me more developed than ours?”
Not when His said “sense of justice” includes things like commanding His people to turn their own kids in to be STONED to death for merely being STUBBORN to either parent (Deuteronomy 21:18–21). And that’s just for starters. How about NUKING ENTIRE CITIES if apostates preach there and anyone listens (Deuteronomy 13, last part)?
Different sense of justice? Yes. More developed? No.
@WHATradioFM Yes I'm quite familiar with those verses. If you keep reading subsequent books, you will find they also slaughter the Hittites, Jebusites, and tribe after tribe after tribe - so they can steal their land. Were they ALL evil? Were their BABIES evil? One of the only "righteous" people saved was Lot, who protected the angels from the mob by offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. Real nice (how DOES one go about raping an angel, anyway?). He later gets his own daughter pregnant.
@Oracle195608 In Middle Eastern culture, hospitality is a big virtue, and Lot must've felt that it was his duty to protect these strangers, as they were his guests. Your question in parenthesis is a bit ridiculous, as the angels have been disguised as humans in other places in the Bible, and the people that wanted to rape them must've had no idea or else they wouldn't have dared. Plus, his daughters conspired to get pregnant through their father when he was drunk; I think it was their decision.
@WHATradioFM Please! Hospitality? If he had taken up a sword to protect his guests, fine. Offering his daughters? Come on. As a father of two girls that makes me sick. As for the incest... if you are saying consuming alcohol means you are not accountable for your actions, that is just wrong. If you got drunk and had sex with your daughters and got caught (assuming you are a male) who would be to blame? I would never do that, no matter how much I drank, and I am not "most righteous." Excuses....
Thats funny. Christopher Hitchens supported President Bush during the Iraq War and he has a visceral hatred for all things religious. Looks like being an atheist doesn't do anything to curb the lust for blood.
@Slayerfan84 your wrong but will never be able to prove it. Because the president of the usa doesnt solely make those decisions. He will ussually follow the pentegons and CIA recomendations.
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." US Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 3.
American fucking bigots. You have turned 180 degrees from your Founding Fathers and therefore you will suffer. Religion fanatics always loose with common sense and humanity in the end.
that's sure is crap,who the hell do they think they are anyways,i am american and i should be able to run if i Believe in God or not,that's bull and i would bet it would not hold up if Challenged in the Supreme court.Why is it Some people think they can tell you what to Believe.
The only problem for America is it was a little harder then expected (as usual). You are just too arrogant to realise people kick back when you come and invade their country. Vietnam didn't teach you shit.
Btw your U.N math is off by a landslide. You don't count your own wars.
@InFromTheVoid "WHat happened to the right to believe what you want?"
"You can believe whatever you want aslong as you keep it to yourself. Meanwhile we christians keep making our beliefs very public and infrindge the constitution as we please because we're a christian majority nation"
I'm sure something like that goes on in the head af some christians.
Cecil Bothwell seems to be a smart man and well fit man for the job and to put it simply, with or without his belief in God he should be able to hold office wherever he is voted in.
Well of the nicer country's was Tunisia, forward thinking Islamic nation. However I would not be standing in the streets there bad mouthing there country. Bosnia was nice for a war zone, more people killing people over religion. The biggest shit hole tho was Somalia.
Now fist off Obama is a Christian, one of his closest advisers and friends is his long time Minister. He is without a doubt a Christian. As a atheist my self in the conservative and Christian South I don't feel this so called boot
@cyanleopard That has become the argument U.S americans use to emphasize their countries self proclaimed leading role when it comes to freedom "In some other countries you might get killed for loving freedom or saying something". That is all that is left of it, comparisons to rogue states. The leftover crums.
@MWcrazyhorse Trust me I don't want the US to be the leader of anything. In fact I hope that America withdrawals all its troops. Let the world sort its own issues and we will deal with ours. I think that would work best. I think George Washington had the best idea's concerning the world affairs.
@cyanleopard We don't want you to sit back and ignore anything, just not play Rambo. When the U.N council says no, then no means no. That's all. Respect it and if the president violates it , impeach him. A simple rule of thumb.
@MWcrazyhorse Well see that's were we have a problem. I think America should pull all support for the UN (witch is about 80% of the troops and 50 of the money), but we should keep are set on the security conceal. No one listen to the UN so why should we, and if I did have a president that bent knee to a foreign power I really would have him impeached. The US should always do whats in the best interests of its self and its citizens, and fuck the UN and the rest of the world.
@cyanleopard yeah there we go.That's the stereotypical american I was waiting for
I quote you:"bla bla we are America bla bla we do what ever we want bla bla fuck the world bla bla whatever is in our interest bla bla you know somewhere else I would be dead now for my ignorance blabla freedom blabla."
What do you think the reason is you are in Iraq you super douche? Because the oil and the pipelines ARE in Americas best interest you genius.
@MWcrazyhorse Why should we not do whats in our best interests every other country dose. I should also point out if we were really in Iraq for oil there are places closer and much easier to invade that have more thin enough oil to make it worth are wild. If anything we needed to pacify Iraq for when/if we invade Iran. The problem with people like you is that you can never see the bigger picture. As you say "you are so fucking stupid".
@cyanleopard exactly, Iran is next. You know from a middle eastern perspective it looks very much like you are tampering towards the Jewish lobby (and the oil and weapons Industry of course), with Israel having nukes being the whole issue why Iran would like some of their own. Ya'll are just suckers to the corporate neo-cons. The average american is lucky if they can find Iran or palestine on a fucking map. Don't even start acting like you know politics, you mind is just being toyed with.
@cyanleopard look up the term lobby in a dictionary. And then start understanding the concept. I hear the tea baggers complain about corruption and big government, then they get showed down some words like socialism, communism, liberals down their throat and suddenly your countries own political opposition is hijacked and spun some other place. Have faith in your Neo-con corporate lobbyists like you had the last ten years, things will get unimaginably worse and they will never get better again.
@cyanleopard you know I take back that you are the typical stereotypical american since you are an atheist. You must forgive me I get very riled up on this topic. Too much bullshit happening in the middle east at the moment. And America must realise that it is 1 country out of 150. That, basically, is the very idea of democracy which one keeps hearing Americans repeat. Words. You got the veto, and now in addition you want the 'oh well fuck the world, we'll do it anyway -card'. No, too much.
@MWcrazyhorse Its silly that people think that every country is not doing what America is doing on some level. Right, wrong, moral, unmoral, even the idea of human rights is simple and academic argument and irrelevant. A nation must always do what is in the best interest of its self. There is no getting around this one truth. Some times what a nation needs to do is horrible, but in my opinion the end always justify them means. But I'm more of a student of Machiavelli thin Gandhi.
@cyanleopard "The end justifies the means" imho is one of the main causes for the most unimaginable attrocities in human history. This idea only works in theory if the side wielding the power has the best interest of every living thing on earth at heart. Then and only then do I agree. In every other case it is a very slippery slope. Can you look into the heads of those in power?
Our histories are very different. As German one has learnt that only united can one solve problems and live in peace.
@cyanleopard Look at what America learnt from its history. As I see it #1(ww1/ww2) we need to go to war to make peace and we can make the difference in the struggle for peace. #2 (cold war) The fight goes on, Nazis are gone, now the commis. We need the biggest army ever to walk this earth. (vietnam) ok lets test it, hm ok but the soviet union is defeated, job done. #3 (9/11, terroism) same old, same old lets go in and quench it (Afghanistan), also lets secure the oil (Iraq), we need it.
@cyanleopard Imho ever since #1/ #2, the slope is slippery. Vietnam, major attrocities to civilians, needless, lost war. Iraq: illegal, for oil and failed strategy, Islam radicalising, Israel out of control, Iran seeks nukes. Afghanistan, one million civilians dead, corruption, democracy failing, population on the verge of turning, Taliban (who were also funded by the U.S prior) stronger than ever, Pakistan (a nuclear power) support and stability diminishing, a fiasko. Vietnam2. Get out.
@MWcrazyhorse You really think Iran, N. Korea, Taliban, Islam want peace, really? Do you really think there will ever be peace on this earth? That's idealistic, personally I think we should pull it all back. No American troops on foreign soil. Use the next ten years to get us off oil. Thin just to put gas on the fire stop exporting food expect to key country's. I would like to see your world of peace then.
@cyanleopard never said that. Look here is my idea of the midle east. It is an ant hill. Leave it be. Also Israel must behave within its borders and let Palestine be an independant state, also strip them of nukes, and reduce your own together with Russia. How can one otherwise demand from Iran not to strive to have their own? Also work together with the region and the rest of the world. No more cowboy politics. Democracy? they will vote radicals right back into office. Let them sort it out.
@cyanleopard you just cannot fight fire with fire. I am no pazifist, but the neo cons don't have an ioda clue what they are doing. People there do not love democracy. They love Islam. The two are not compatible. Secularism is not a term the religious understand.
@MWcrazyhorse Hay why were at it, lets strip India, Pakistan, and China of there nukes to. O'wait that's not going to happen, because they have nukes already and there not going to give them up. I have no love for any Islamic state for my own personal reasons. So I actually support Israel and even a destabilized middle east. Personally I think we should be getting them to kill each other, using intelligent officers to spark wars and supporting uprisings. Reduce the amount of food to the region.
@MWcrazyhorse You have to support your friends and Israel is are friend. I would rather cut off my own arm them help Israel's enemy's, and would gladly burn them into ash. Besides Israel is excellent real state for war fighting in the middle east.
@cyanleopard Israel has occupied Land that is not theirs in the Gaza strip and shows no willingness to give it back. They illegaly lay claim to 90% of water reserves of the region and have put an embargo on the palestinians. Your 'friend' is behaving like a drunk rampaging hooligan. You see only black and white. To you criticizing Israel is helping it's enemies destroy it. It is time to realise the truth of the color grey and give Israel some bitch slappings.
@MWcrazyhorse See again we see things differently. I have no love for the Palestinians, in fact we can let Israel off there chain so they can handle the situation like the need too. First thing they need to do is push Gaza into the ocean, thin tell the rest of Palestine there next if they don't behave them self's. Palestine is not my friend why should I even care what happens to them. Israel is not holding anything illegally they took it in conquest during the 7 day war, it was a smart move.
@cyanleopard Thanks for the chat. Finally it has become clear why we disagree and why I disagree with so many American's approach to foreign politics.
You just don't give a rat's ass about anyone but yourself and Israel. Best of luck fighting terrorism, or just not caring, or doing whatever is in your own interest, or... whatever it is you and Israel are doing.
@MWcrazyhorse The problem is that your fooling your self. Yes I'm going to do whats in my best interests just like every other person and nation in this world. Support your allies and kill your enemy's, all this other "lets hold hands and be friends" is nonsense and will just get your throat cut.
@cyanleopard ye you just don't get it. You do not fight terrorism or achieve stability in Iraq or Afghanistan by fucking people over basically. It is in your own interest to be just.
It is geo politcs neo cons never understood. Bottom line you (and Israel especially) kill too many civilians and spit on their graves after slapping their wives in the face and cheering for freedom while filling your pockets with oil money and drawing new borders. Nothing to do with flowers and holding hands.
@cyanleopard again your best interest is to treat the region with respect. That is a thought requiring middle to long term thinking not everyone is capable of.
@MWcrazyhorse Here is were your logic is flawed, you think you can reason with them. There not going to stop attacking Israel until Israel is gone. So we should pull our support for Israel so the surrounding country's can destroy them?
But as I sad before personally I say we can pull it all back, let the world sort it out with out our help. After all were just the bad guy anyways. O you don't need are grain, you don't need our aid. I'm glade to let them stand on there own two feet.
@MWcrazyhorse The way I see it I can use the billions on things here in America, and all that food can be used as biofules. The best part about it is I'll get to watch it all on TV.
The oath/affirmation office holders take deals with religious practice. Some faiths dont allow swearing, especially to God. Not to mention, Catholics werent trusted very much. Many thought that the government would become a papacy, if a catholic held office. Remember JFK.
Art. 6 of the U.S. Constitution is misconstrued. The last clause is the key to the argument; its limited to the federal government. no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. That clause is left short by far too many, but heads that clause. Therefore, the supremacy clause doesnt take effect here; leaving states able enact discriminative, prejudice, and immoral religious qualifications
Last time I checked any state, or city, or county in the united states is still in the united states, it's unconstitutional no matter what anyone thinks.
mostly I wonder how the writers of it made the thing so damned well detailed, and then I wonder why people still argue over shit they figured out so long ago. And then I wonder how people can get away with breaking this thing on a daily basis. That's what I wonder.
I agree we should take laws serious. I am also a little out there, but not retarded. That is beside the point. I think I have you pegged; I am just trying to make sure. Do you take the Constitution literal? Meaning there is no wiggle room, no possible miss interpretation, it does not evolve to encompass new situations (aside from amendments); it means exactly what it says.
The presenter says its "remarkable", well I don;t think so. considering the amount of opposition to teaching fact based science lessons when they conflict with peoples religious ideals.
I make it a point to interact with people that hold differrent opinions than my own. That way I can better understand people. Holding up in your home does nothing, but let the crazies run around unchecked.
If I disagree, I respectfully tell them my position and why. And most people tend to reciprocate with the same level of respect. When they don't, it still no need to add your own bombshell to the mix. Open discussion breeds comprehension and compromise, unlike being pig headed.
Having the conviction to use force, when provoked, is diplomacy. It shows you are not weak and willing to do what is necessary to protect what is dear to you. The purpose of military might is to pursuade the other party not take that route, assuming you are the stronger. And no, most people shy from violence, even when provoked.
LOL this is like prayer. You can sin or you can sin and be forgiven. Being forgiven to sin makes me want to pursue it more because I can sin without fear. Maybe thats why goverment is so corrupt.
All those states were in the Bible Belt of the United States. If you've ever lived here, you know how touchy christians are down here about atheists or anyone else from a different religion. Down here, they literally shove a bible down your throat until your shitting it while your praying and confessing your belief in God.
The belief that a certain cosmic Jewish zombie who was born of a virgin can make you live for ever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
This prejudice needs to be exposed over and over!!!
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If you believe that you must accept that pretending to eat flesh and drink blood will make you live forever in order to hold public office, then......Wow.
I want to see more political attacks on Atheist. Politics attacking a group especially minorities seem to make them stronger. Not accepting gay marriage, The war on drugs that makes drugs more potent and more users, and of course racial discriminations. People just don't understand these kind of technicalities such as Violence in video games has been proven to reduce violence not encourage it. Doctors allowing suicides to near dead patience lessens suicides. Porn = less rape in states etc.
It baffles me how dumb the people of America are. Im majoring in government and politics and both art. 1 and 6 of the US constitution along with the supremacy clause should prevent this from even happening.
It used to be, until various types of extremist and fundamentalist Christians dug their claws into it (though they aren't the only ones), and now insist this is strictly a "Christian country" (even though it was founded as a strictly secular country which indoors no religion in any official way, one of the first of its kind in the world), and would gradually turn this place into an oppressive and repressive theocracy if they got the chance and succeeded in gaining sufficient political power.
@LordMalice6d9 No most of the for fathers are not Christian there Theist.. Christians took over closer to around the 50's wen it came to the government.
yea but the thing is...the US constitution says atheists can hold office...and US constitution pwns any state constitution so FUCK YOU IGNORANT CHRISTIANS
Ironic, I thought republicans were for freedom of religion. This goes to show what "the freedom of religion" really means to them.
raspberrymuffin 2 months ago
@raspberrymuffin Sure - you're free to believe in God and go to heaven and hold office and you are free to not believe in God go to hell and not hold public office - can you detect the irony these words ;)
jagara1 2 months ago
@jagara1
Ha, for sure. Beautifully put.
raspberrymuffin 2 months ago
@raspberrymuffin they never were. they'll say anything to get power. if they don't have it, they'll pitch a fit and scream and yell until they get power again. but I'm seeing this from Democrats as well. long story short, politics suck.
Goirdy 2 months ago
@Goirdy
For sure. When it comes to republicans vs democrats, it seems they have the different subjects they focus on, but in the end have the same general goal.
raspberrymuffin 2 months ago
I like you Rachel Maddow. Your a smart bitch. If only Bill O reilly weren't a dumb bitch.
RavenMad101 4 months ago
Looks like half the bible belt to me!
RavenMad101 4 months ago
@AnimeSparklewitch No doubt ASW !!!!
Cheers !!!
orangemod 6 months ago
Why would anyone want an atheist as a councillor? They use logic, reason, and factual information and a scientific method to rationalize their decisions. Better to have someone that is guided by mysticism, BELIEF in fairy tales, and listening to their inner voice. In case you can't tell I'm being extremely sarcastic. Wise up people, religion brings misery and confusion. Only a religious person would look at this situation and think they had a ghost of a chance to be right when blatantly wrong
4567pic 8 months ago
@4567pic i for one would feel much safer if all holders of public office had to believe in magic.
its so scary :s 21st century and the majority of the world still believe in magic. not sure why ppl go to the doctor rather than pray tho. guess sometimes science > praying to a magic man in the sky.
fume0ne 7 months ago
I wish they had this in Ohio!
asebrookb 8 months ago
Q: would a person ever get elected President if he/she were an Atheist and a single person? I don't think so. Does it bother anyone else here that a person, no matter how qualified, would never become President if he/she were a single Atheist person? What about a gay person? Would he/she ever become President? I just don't understand why some people think that ones religion or lack of or sexual orientation should lead them to such conclusions. Is my question reasonable?
orangemod 8 months ago
Hooray for The United States! Isn't is great to live in such a Christian based country? I feel safer when unbelievers of all types aren't allowed to hold office. Thank the Rounding Fathers for that!
Chulva 8 months ago
We had situations like this in Europe, but we called it The dark ages.
herkulesafc 8 months ago
E tu Texas? So much for Southern hospitality.
Nice to feel loved.
razredge07 9 months ago
Ok those southern cracker boxes I can understand, but MARYLAND??? WTF?
Brenda2OOO 9 months ago
one word for Christians "dinosaurs" maybe two "DNA"
brentpal 10 months ago
I agree that they shouldnt...only on one term. What defines moral law to an atheist? If nothing else the Bible teaches perfect moral law that mankind has upheld as the standard for thousands of years.Many who hold office claim christian but that dosent mean they are. Simply means they believe in the doctrine and nothing more. So, its not that big of a deal anyways. I have never seen a true christian hold a public office yet.
KesslersCross 10 months ago
@KesslersCross
Yes, the bible has real people and real places in it. I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and say these are amazing finds. BUT, this proves the existence of a god as much as finding New York proves the existence of Spiderman.
And what about Israeli archeologists finding no evidence for the exodus after a century of excavation?
This coming from people who want nothing more than to claim the deed to the holy land.
TylerOmega 9 months ago
@TylerOmega Typically I would agree, but a lot of the things that I commented were actually first researched by Isreali archeologist...but, strangly enough, they were all atheist. You dont find what you dont want to. They do not prove God, only that a people were acting under what they believed was God and that there is nothing found yet contradicting the Bible. God even says that he will confirm himself to those who will follow him, thus my first statement "not that it matters to christians"
KesslersCross 9 months ago
@KesslersCross So you are telling us every single archeologist looking for evidence for the exodus is an atheist? What is your reference/source of information? I would think there would be plenty of theists doing that work in order to prove it HAPPENED, just as they have searced Mount Ararat for Noah's Ark (and faked finding it several times). And did God really say "he will confirm himself to those who will follow him"? If memory serves, Charles Manson said something eerily similar.
Oracle195608 9 months ago
@KesslersCross How can you say "If nothing else the Bible teaches perfect moral law that mankind has upheld as the standard for thousands of years?" Perfect? Really? I assume you have READ the Bible, and since you make it a point to say "upheld as the standard for THOUSANDS of years" that means you are necessarily including the 600+ OT Laws which modern Christians try desperately to distance themselves from. I see nothing moral in ethnic cleansing, genocide, infanticide, fratricide & slavery.
Oracle195608 9 months ago
As long as there is religeon there will be war and oppresion, so many religeous people yet so much hate in the world....i've never understood it. All through blind faith too, not a shred of evidence =p
edwadolaszlo 10 months ago
@edwadolaszlo Eh, as a Pastor I have to say your statement was not completely accurate on some points but I do believe the term religeon starting wars is pretty correct.
KesslersCross 10 months ago
@KesslersCross Please enlighten me. I can think of 10 + mainstream religeons, all believing in simelar principles and origins. They all came about 1-3000 years ago. In my opinion its persuasive "good talkers" that start them, and those who want unanswerable questions explained that follow. A mix of a fear of that individuals life ending and mans arrogance speaks volumes to me. As does how religoen can control the masses....which isn't a bad thing reguardless of source. Proof of god please?
edwadolaszlo 10 months ago
@edwadolaszlo Blind faith isnt blind if you have proof right? Im probably one of the few christians that admit that if you just set down and read the bible, there is no way that its believable, and God knows that. He says that he would confirm himself to whoever would follow his way, so, to prove God is easy but hes not going to tell me how to convince you, its for you to seek him and he will tell you. More than happy to tell you how to get that confirmation or walk you through it if you like?
KesslersCross 10 months ago
@KesslersCross How do you know "god know that"? May i ask exactly what faith you are Pastor, and in your opinion do those whose choose a different god reach enlightenment Hindus and Sikhs for example? Any advice is welcomed. The Bible was wrote by many men over a large period of time....am i wrong?
edwadolaszlo 10 months ago
@edwadolaszlo I didn't think you would have an answer for that pastor.
edwadolaszlo 10 months ago
@edwadolaszlo Also, not that a christian needs it, but many many many archeological finds confirming the Bible have been found. Its not going to prove God though but just thought I would mention it. I have much literature on it that I could send you in a PM if you like?
KesslersCross 10 months ago
@KesslersCross No archeological finds have been found that confirm the Bible. Sorry, but you are misinformed.
atheistram 9 months ago
@KesslersCross "many many many archeological finds confirming the Bible have been found."
I have no doubt that you genuinely believe this but it simply isn't true. The human race has come so far, please stop retarding our progress.
TylerOmega 9 months ago
@TylerOmega 1. Well...here comes a bunch of posts that you may have never heard about.
Deut 27:4 Jushuas Alter on Mt. Ebal
Dr. Adam Zertal, an atheist found no alter on top so it was concluded that it never existed. Though only idol worchiping was for the high grounds, the alter was found in the mountain, just as it was written. Found the center was full of ashes, the ashes of 942 bones belonging to sheep, goats, cattle, all kosher animals.Also,
KesslersCross 9 months ago
@TylerOmega 2. of the bones that the age could be determined and sex, the ages and sex were of one year old males...as it is written. Pottery was found dating to the 13 century BC. Egyptian scarabs were found on site of the era of ramses the second.
Joshua 4:19 Joshua Gilgal and the twelve stones
One area is in the exact dimensions of the tabernacle, also a round alter of 12 stones
From a distance of this site stands Jericho
KesslersCross 9 months ago
@TylerOmega 3. Joshua 6:4 The walls of Jericho
Kathleen Kenyon, the second archologist there said that it was a city belonging to a much earlier time and could not be the biblical jericho BASED on the absence of Cypriote pottery not found at the site. Brian wood in the late 90s found the pottery.
KesslersCross 9 months ago
@TylerOmega 4.He also found an unbroken time line of Egyptian scarabs with dated inscriptions dating from the 18 century (before the exodus ) to the 14 century (where the exodus stops at the time of the conquest ). Storage containers full of grain which would have not been left by invaders, but the bible says it was commanded to be left alone. Also according to the bible it was at the time of the harvest, which would be why there was grain in large quantaties.
KesslersCross 9 months ago
@TylerOmega 5.Found, one portion of the wall remaining and a house being on top, just as the bible said (Joshua 2:15). Fallen brick which was found that would have left a ramp up to the city, as the Bible says.
Numbers The prophet Balam
Tell Deir Alla, near jodan excevations found an adminstration center of the amorites. Plaster on the wall that had fallen off had written stories written in black and red ink. There was a number of stories, but they found the story of Balim the Prophet.
KesslersCross 9 months ago
@TylerOmega 6. "Warnings given by Balaam, the son of Beor, a seer of the Gods" (Numbers 22:2) Now on display at armon jordan musuem
Joshua 18:1 Shiloh the first resting place of God
A platu above the church matches the exact dimensions of the tabernacle which stood for over 300 years through the time of the judges.
1 Kings 9:15 Fortified Gates of Solomon
hazor, migeddo, gezer
Found strange looking gates that gard all three that are identicle. The pottery dates to the time of Solomon
KesslersCross 9 months ago
@KesslersCross Just for my own edification: is this the same Balaam who had a conversation with his donkey in Numbers 22? If so, he was not only the "seer of the gods"... he was seeing THINGS!
Oracle195608 9 months ago
@TylerOmega 7 . 2 silver amulets from the 7th century BC
south of the old test. Jeresulem. Found in 1979, under a collapsed toumb in a corner chamber. Silver amulets rolled up with biblical txt. The txt was numbers 6:24 end of the first temple period.The silver was inscribed on both sides which was very uncommon but is described in Jer 17:1. its predates the deadsea scrolls by 400 years and is EXACTLY as the dead sea scoll texts.
KesslersCross 9 months ago
@TylerOmega 8. Jeraboams alter at Tel Dan (northern end of isreal)
Found, and is accredated by the athority of antiquities as being his alter after the kingdom split
Tell Dan inscription
Excuvated in 1993, describes a battle between hazael, king of aram and the kings of Judah and Isreal. (2 chron 22) In the text is "the house of David"
2 sam 5:6 Land of the Jebusites and the house of David
Babalonians destroyed most of everything mentioned.
KesslersCross 9 months ago
@TylerOmega 9. A very large structure was found, around the spot that the Bible says that David built his palace. It is dated to the fall of the first temple period by the babalonians At the bottom of this was a room called the archive room. In it was clay seals stamped by officials. 51 of these stamps called bullaes date to the time of the first temple.
KesslersCross 9 months ago
@TylerOmega 10. 51 were found, out of the 51, 26 bulas names were mentioned in the bible, one stamped Azariah son of Hilkiah (1 chron 9:11) another says Gemariah son of Shaphan (Jer 36:10) two says Baruch so of Neriah (Jer 36:10) . Another says Jerahmeel son of the king (Jer 36:26)
So...would you like to retract that statement?
KesslersCross 9 months ago
@TylerOmega If we use the theists' logic that archeological finds "confirm the Bible" by simply proving a place mentioned in it actually existed, we must also accept the existence of Greek Gods since Mount Olympus, the Oracle at Delphi, and many other real places are mentioned in Greek mythology, and Allah is certainly real since the Quran clearly mentions Mecca and other places. I much prefer theists who admit they believe just because it "makes them feel good" to the sort who use junk science.
Oracle195608 9 months ago
Oh USA. When will you leave the 13th century?
Futureplanet 11 months ago
@Slayerfan84 Don't put a label on Christianity based on the radicals and incompetent people who you see on television. The Christian Gospels are against war and killing innocent people.
As to the video, I think that Church and state should be seperated. Christianity is all about a personal relationship with God, whenever government gets involved, they often corrupt it.
WHATradioFM 1 year ago
@WHATradioFM you know that is bull or you have not read your bible
farter8000 11 months ago
@farter8000 Please explian then, because I read "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" in Matthew 22:39. Loving your neighbor and going to war to kill them don't seem to go together.
WHATradioFM 11 months ago
@WHATradioFM It does not matter if the gospels are against war due to the horrific atrocities committed in the old testament including the pro war and killing of innocence. You can not quote mine a book to make it good or present the case, for example "My Struggle" by hitler could be considered a teen drama if mined as such: "I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?" without the whole book it is impossible to tell.
farter8000 11 months ago
@farter8000 I'm not sure what to say about the waring between Israel and other peoples in the Old Testament. I don't think we know enough about it, except that apparently some surrounding cities apparently were wicked in some way. Isreal also had it's own "Manifest Destiny" thing going on. However, we shouldn't do everything, or most of the things that they did, because we live in a different age. Their time was before Christ, a different situation. It's important to take the Bible in context.
WHATradioFM 10 months ago
@WHATradioFM the slaughter of children and infants during any age is wrong. in no way is that out of context. Also the bible goes over the wars in some detail, enough to see that most all of the wars were nothing but senseless slaughter if they even happened. Its tiring when people say that something is out of context based on the age of which it was written. It does not justify acts of the past. Its like saying it is alright for an insane person to kill because he's insane. Its non-justifiable
farter8000 10 months ago
@WHATradioFM Where do you get "some surrounding cities apparently were wicked in some way" from? It seems EVERY city in Canaan fit that description, since all were slaughtered to the last man, woman and child. Explain "we shouldn't do everything, or most of the things that they did, because we live in a different age." Does that mean you think it was okay to kill babies in those days? You say it was "a different situation" and "It's important to take the Bible in context." Isn't god unchanging?
Oracle195608 9 months ago
In Genesis 15:16 God foretells Abraham that “it will be four generations before your descendants come back here, because I will not drive out the Amorites until they become so wicked that they must be punished.” It seems to me that they were growing evil. In Genesis 18:16-19:29, Abraham pled with God not to destroy Sodom if there were ten innocent people there. When checking the city, two angels in disguise were almost attacked by a gang who wanted to rape them.
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM Lot was also pushed around and mistreated because he was a foreigner. God could not find anyone other than Lot who was innocent, and so He gave Lot’s family the chance to escape.
Before Israel’s invasion of Canaan, there were a several conflicts that they had with Canaanite kings. Arad, a Canaanite king in the Negev attacked Israel and captured some of them (Numbers 21:1-3). Israel destroyed Arad and his cities.
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM Sihon refused Israel passage, went out to fight and was defeated (Numbers 21:21-26). All his cities were destroyed. Men, women and children were slain (Deuteronomy 2:26-36). Israel took possession of his land. The Amorites in Jazer were dispossessed (Numbers 21:32). No other details were recorded. Og of Bashan fought Israel (21:33-35). Sixty cities along with many walled and unwalled villages were destroyed. Men, women and children were all slain (Deuteronomy 3:1-11) .
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM Midian was destroyed for tempting Israel into idolatry (Numbers 31:3-19). All Midianite cities and encampments were burned. Only female virgins were allowed to live. However, not all of the Midianites were destroyed, or else there wouldn’t be any to oppress Israel later in Judges 6:3.
Not all of the Canaanites were slaughtered during the invasion, as there are a few times when God tells them to drive them out. You can’t kill them all and drive them out too.
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM The verses where God gives the Israelites commands of what to do with the Canaanite tribes are a bit more complicated than slaughtering them all. (Exodus 23:31-33, 34:11-16, Numbers 33:50-56, Deuteronomy 7:1-5, 12:2-3, 20:10-18) The first five are telling the Israelites to drive them out.
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM The last one tells the Israelites that if they attack a city, to give a chance for them to surrender as slaves, and if they choose to fight, to kill only the men, and tells them to kill everyone in the cities that God tells them to, “that they will not make you sin against the Lord by teaching you to do all the disgusting things that they do in the worship of their gods.”
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM I’m just telling you what the Bible says about it. Not everything is said, so some things can only be guessed. One might assume the worst, and if it is the worst then it is hard to stomach, and we might think that what He did wasn’t fair.
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM However, we can’t just judge God by what we would’ve done, because of what God says in Isaiah 54:8-9 “My thoughts are not like yours, and my ways are different from yours. As high as the heavens are above the earth, so high are my ways and thoughts above yours.” Have you considered the possibility that His sense of justice might me more developed than ours?
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM When we say that “well God wouldn’t do this or that…,” we’re making God’s actions submit to our reasoning, like as if God would only do the things that you would do. Doesn’t that seem a bit arrogant of the person that claims to have superior justice to God?
When I said that we shouldn’t do most of what they did, I meant that while God commanded them to destroy and drive out Canaanites, He didn’t say to do this today.
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
That conquering was God destroying a wicked culture and replacing it with ancient Israel, and ended thousands of years ago. As for whether killing babies were ok, I would think that it was not. However, Canaanite religion had been notorious for child sacrifices to their gods. I don’t think that’s right either. I know that two wrongs don’t particularly make a right, but I’m just pointing out that the Canaanites were not above killing babies or maybe didn’t think much of them, like cattle.
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM As for God being unchanging, yes that is true. He is immutable in character and knowledge and existence. However we’ve changed and circumstances have changed. Since the Canaanite invasion, the world had developed further, and God, in His sense of justice, saw it right to send His own Son into the world to live as a human and to be spit upon and die as a criminal and rise again so that our broken relationship with Him could be restored.
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM In this “different situation” God tells those who believe in Christ to follow His ways, the way He lived His life, because we’re not meant to be literally destroying cities and making physical war. Our kingdom is not worldly as is the governments of the US, England, China, etc.
I hope I haven't annoyed you with all these posts. Youtube couldn't fit it in one comment.
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM, “Have you considered the possibility that His sense of justice might me more developed than ours?”
Not when His said “sense of justice” includes things like commanding His people to turn their own kids in to be STONED to death for merely being STUBBORN to either parent (Deuteronomy 21:18–21). And that’s just for starters. How about NUKING ENTIRE CITIES if apostates preach there and anyone listens (Deuteronomy 13, last part)?
Different sense of justice? Yes. More developed? No.
COMALiteJ 5 months ago
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@WHATradioFM, “However, not all of the Midianites were destroyed, or else there wouldn’t be any to oppress Israel later in Judges 6:3.”
“You can’t kill them all and drive them out too.”
Yes. There’s a word for things like that:
“Contradictions.”
Your Bible is LOADED with them.
COMALiteJ 5 months ago
@WHATradioFM Yes I'm quite familiar with those verses. If you keep reading subsequent books, you will find they also slaughter the Hittites, Jebusites, and tribe after tribe after tribe - so they can steal their land. Were they ALL evil? Were their BABIES evil? One of the only "righteous" people saved was Lot, who protected the angels from the mob by offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. Real nice (how DOES one go about raping an angel, anyway?). He later gets his own daughter pregnant.
Oracle195608 9 months ago
@Oracle195608 In Middle Eastern culture, hospitality is a big virtue, and Lot must've felt that it was his duty to protect these strangers, as they were his guests. Your question in parenthesis is a bit ridiculous, as the angels have been disguised as humans in other places in the Bible, and the people that wanted to rape them must've had no idea or else they wouldn't have dared. Plus, his daughters conspired to get pregnant through their father when he was drunk; I think it was their decision.
WHATradioFM 9 months ago
@WHATradioFM Please! Hospitality? If he had taken up a sword to protect his guests, fine. Offering his daughters? Come on. As a father of two girls that makes me sick. As for the incest... if you are saying consuming alcohol means you are not accountable for your actions, that is just wrong. If you got drunk and had sex with your daughters and got caught (assuming you are a male) who would be to blame? I would never do that, no matter how much I drank, and I am not "most righteous." Excuses....
Oracle195608 9 months ago
@Slayerfan84
Thats funny. Christopher Hitchens supported President Bush during the Iraq War and he has a visceral hatred for all things religious. Looks like being an atheist doesn't do anything to curb the lust for blood.
Childinfaith 1 year ago
@Slayerfan84 your wrong but will never be able to prove it. Because the president of the usa doesnt solely make those decisions. He will ussually follow the pentegons and CIA recomendations.
zeineguy 1 year ago
Godless politicians...scary...
BrightLight57 1 year ago
@BrightLight57
Brainless politicians...scarier.
RainK9 9 months ago
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." US Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 3.
daleshankins 1 year ago
American fucking bigots. You have turned 180 degrees from your Founding Fathers and therefore you will suffer. Religion fanatics always loose with common sense and humanity in the end.
carcaril 1 year ago
Are the locations of all those states a coincidence, I wonder...?
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
that's sure is crap,who the hell do they think they are anyways,i am american and i should be able to run if i Believe in God or not,that's bull and i would bet it would not hold up if Challenged in the Supreme court.Why is it Some people think they can tell you what to Believe.
musclegenii 1 year ago
The only problem for America is it was a little harder then expected (as usual). You are just too arrogant to realise people kick back when you come and invade their country. Vietnam didn't teach you shit.
Btw your U.N math is off by a landslide. You don't count your own wars.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
Really? In the US? Here? On this planet? Un-freaking-believable.
djslurch 1 year ago
@InFromTheVoid "WHat happened to the right to believe what you want?"
"You can believe whatever you want aslong as you keep it to yourself. Meanwhile we christians keep making our beliefs very public and infrindge the constitution as we please because we're a christian majority nation"
I'm sure something like that goes on in the head af some christians.
byteresistor 1 year ago
@byteresistor MORE THAN YOU KNOW...
ChariotRider 1 year ago
Cecil Bothwell seems to be a smart man and well fit man for the job and to put it simply, with or without his belief in God he should be able to hold office wherever he is voted in.
MrNorthCack 1 year ago
Yay the took it to court and it will go no were. Who fucking cares.
cyanleopard 2 years ago
Land of the free?
What a joke.
Pigdowndog 2 years ago
I been to country's that would kill you for just saying that. This is one of the freest country's out there.
cyanleopard 2 years ago
"I been to country's that would kill you for just saying that"
And just what countries are those?
I afraid the USA is under the jackboot of Christian fundamentalism unlike most advanced western civilisations.
Even Obama is scared to declare his obvious atheism.
Pigdowndog 2 years ago
Well of the nicer country's was Tunisia, forward thinking Islamic nation. However I would not be standing in the streets there bad mouthing there country. Bosnia was nice for a war zone, more people killing people over religion. The biggest shit hole tho was Somalia.
Now fist off Obama is a Christian, one of his closest advisers and friends is his long time Minister. He is without a doubt a Christian. As a atheist my self in the conservative and Christian South I don't feel this so called boot
cyanleopard 2 years ago
@cyanleopard That has become the argument U.S americans use to emphasize their countries self proclaimed leading role when it comes to freedom "In some other countries you might get killed for loving freedom or saying something". That is all that is left of it, comparisons to rogue states. The leftover crums.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@MWcrazyhorse Trust me I don't want the US to be the leader of anything. In fact I hope that America withdrawals all its troops. Let the world sort its own issues and we will deal with ours. I think that would work best. I think George Washington had the best idea's concerning the world affairs.
cyanleopard 1 year ago
@cyanleopard We don't want you to sit back and ignore anything, just not play Rambo. When the U.N council says no, then no means no. That's all. Respect it and if the president violates it , impeach him. A simple rule of thumb.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@MWcrazyhorse Well see that's were we have a problem. I think America should pull all support for the UN (witch is about 80% of the troops and 50 of the money), but we should keep are set on the security conceal. No one listen to the UN so why should we, and if I did have a president that bent knee to a foreign power I really would have him impeached. The US should always do whats in the best interests of its self and its citizens, and fuck the UN and the rest of the world.
cyanleopard 1 year ago
@cyanleopard yeah there we go.That's the stereotypical american I was waiting for
I quote you:"bla bla we are America bla bla we do what ever we want bla bla fuck the world bla bla whatever is in our interest bla bla you know somewhere else I would be dead now for my ignorance blabla freedom blabla."
What do you think the reason is you are in Iraq you super douche? Because the oil and the pipelines ARE in Americas best interest you genius.
Fuck you are stupid.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@MWcrazyhorse Why should we not do whats in our best interests every other country dose. I should also point out if we were really in Iraq for oil there are places closer and much easier to invade that have more thin enough oil to make it worth are wild. If anything we needed to pacify Iraq for when/if we invade Iran. The problem with people like you is that you can never see the bigger picture. As you say "you are so fucking stupid".
cyanleopard 1 year ago
@cyanleopard exactly, Iran is next. You know from a middle eastern perspective it looks very much like you are tampering towards the Jewish lobby (and the oil and weapons Industry of course), with Israel having nukes being the whole issue why Iran would like some of their own. Ya'll are just suckers to the corporate neo-cons. The average american is lucky if they can find Iran or palestine on a fucking map. Don't even start acting like you know politics, you mind is just being toyed with.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@cyanleopard look up the term lobby in a dictionary. And then start understanding the concept. I hear the tea baggers complain about corruption and big government, then they get showed down some words like socialism, communism, liberals down their throat and suddenly your countries own political opposition is hijacked and spun some other place. Have faith in your Neo-con corporate lobbyists like you had the last ten years, things will get unimaginably worse and they will never get better again.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@cyanleopard you know I take back that you are the typical stereotypical american since you are an atheist. You must forgive me I get very riled up on this topic. Too much bullshit happening in the middle east at the moment. And America must realise that it is 1 country out of 150. That, basically, is the very idea of democracy which one keeps hearing Americans repeat. Words. You got the veto, and now in addition you want the 'oh well fuck the world, we'll do it anyway -card'. No, too much.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@MWcrazyhorse Its silly that people think that every country is not doing what America is doing on some level. Right, wrong, moral, unmoral, even the idea of human rights is simple and academic argument and irrelevant. A nation must always do what is in the best interest of its self. There is no getting around this one truth. Some times what a nation needs to do is horrible, but in my opinion the end always justify them means. But I'm more of a student of Machiavelli thin Gandhi.
cyanleopard 1 year ago
@cyanleopard "The end justifies the means" imho is one of the main causes for the most unimaginable attrocities in human history. This idea only works in theory if the side wielding the power has the best interest of every living thing on earth at heart. Then and only then do I agree. In every other case it is a very slippery slope. Can you look into the heads of those in power?
Our histories are very different. As German one has learnt that only united can one solve problems and live in peace.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@cyanleopard Look at what America learnt from its history. As I see it #1(ww1/ww2) we need to go to war to make peace and we can make the difference in the struggle for peace. #2 (cold war) The fight goes on, Nazis are gone, now the commis. We need the biggest army ever to walk this earth. (vietnam) ok lets test it, hm ok but the soviet union is defeated, job done. #3 (9/11, terroism) same old, same old lets go in and quench it (Afghanistan), also lets secure the oil (Iraq), we need it.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@cyanleopard Imho ever since #1/ #2, the slope is slippery. Vietnam, major attrocities to civilians, needless, lost war. Iraq: illegal, for oil and failed strategy, Islam radicalising, Israel out of control, Iran seeks nukes. Afghanistan, one million civilians dead, corruption, democracy failing, population on the verge of turning, Taliban (who were also funded by the U.S prior) stronger than ever, Pakistan (a nuclear power) support and stability diminishing, a fiasko. Vietnam2. Get out.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@MWcrazyhorse You really think Iran, N. Korea, Taliban, Islam want peace, really? Do you really think there will ever be peace on this earth? That's idealistic, personally I think we should pull it all back. No American troops on foreign soil. Use the next ten years to get us off oil. Thin just to put gas on the fire stop exporting food expect to key country's. I would like to see your world of peace then.
cyanleopard 1 year ago
@cyanleopard never said that. Look here is my idea of the midle east. It is an ant hill. Leave it be. Also Israel must behave within its borders and let Palestine be an independant state, also strip them of nukes, and reduce your own together with Russia. How can one otherwise demand from Iran not to strive to have their own? Also work together with the region and the rest of the world. No more cowboy politics. Democracy? they will vote radicals right back into office. Let them sort it out.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@cyanleopard you just cannot fight fire with fire. I am no pazifist, but the neo cons don't have an ioda clue what they are doing. People there do not love democracy. They love Islam. The two are not compatible. Secularism is not a term the religious understand.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@MWcrazyhorse Hay why were at it, lets strip India, Pakistan, and China of there nukes to. O'wait that's not going to happen, because they have nukes already and there not going to give them up. I have no love for any Islamic state for my own personal reasons. So I actually support Israel and even a destabilized middle east. Personally I think we should be getting them to kill each other, using intelligent officers to spark wars and supporting uprisings. Reduce the amount of food to the region.
cyanleopard 1 year ago
@MWcrazyhorse You have to support your friends and Israel is are friend. I would rather cut off my own arm them help Israel's enemy's, and would gladly burn them into ash. Besides Israel is excellent real state for war fighting in the middle east.
cyanleopard 1 year ago
@cyanleopard Israel has occupied Land that is not theirs in the Gaza strip and shows no willingness to give it back. They illegaly lay claim to 90% of water reserves of the region and have put an embargo on the palestinians. Your 'friend' is behaving like a drunk rampaging hooligan. You see only black and white. To you criticizing Israel is helping it's enemies destroy it. It is time to realise the truth of the color grey and give Israel some bitch slappings.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@MWcrazyhorse See again we see things differently. I have no love for the Palestinians, in fact we can let Israel off there chain so they can handle the situation like the need too. First thing they need to do is push Gaza into the ocean, thin tell the rest of Palestine there next if they don't behave them self's. Palestine is not my friend why should I even care what happens to them. Israel is not holding anything illegally they took it in conquest during the 7 day war, it was a smart move.
cyanleopard 1 year ago
@cyanleopard Thanks for the chat. Finally it has become clear why we disagree and why I disagree with so many American's approach to foreign politics.
You just don't give a rat's ass about anyone but yourself and Israel. Best of luck fighting terrorism, or just not caring, or doing whatever is in your own interest, or... whatever it is you and Israel are doing.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@MWcrazyhorse The problem is that your fooling your self. Yes I'm going to do whats in my best interests just like every other person and nation in this world. Support your allies and kill your enemy's, all this other "lets hold hands and be friends" is nonsense and will just get your throat cut.
cyanleopard 1 year ago
@cyanleopard ye you just don't get it. You do not fight terrorism or achieve stability in Iraq or Afghanistan by fucking people over basically. It is in your own interest to be just.
It is geo politcs neo cons never understood. Bottom line you (and Israel especially) kill too many civilians and spit on their graves after slapping their wives in the face and cheering for freedom while filling your pockets with oil money and drawing new borders. Nothing to do with flowers and holding hands.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@cyanleopard again your best interest is to treat the region with respect. That is a thought requiring middle to long term thinking not everyone is capable of.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
@MWcrazyhorse Here is were your logic is flawed, you think you can reason with them. There not going to stop attacking Israel until Israel is gone. So we should pull our support for Israel so the surrounding country's can destroy them?
But as I sad before personally I say we can pull it all back, let the world sort it out with out our help. After all were just the bad guy anyways. O you don't need are grain, you don't need our aid. I'm glade to let them stand on there own two feet.
cyanleopard 1 year ago
@MWcrazyhorse The way I see it I can use the billions on things here in America, and all that food can be used as biofules. The best part about it is I'll get to watch it all on TV.
cyanleopard 1 year ago
The oath/affirmation office holders take deals with religious practice. Some faiths dont allow swearing, especially to God. Not to mention, Catholics werent trusted very much. Many thought that the government would become a papacy, if a catholic held office. Remember JFK.
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
Art. 6 of the U.S. Constitution is misconstrued. The last clause is the key to the argument; its limited to the federal government. no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. That clause is left short by far too many, but heads that clause. Therefore, the supremacy clause doesnt take effect here; leaving states able enact discriminative, prejudice, and immoral religious qualifications
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
Last time I checked any state, or city, or county in the united states is still in the united states, it's unconstitutional no matter what anyone thinks.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
When you read the Constitution what do think of?
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
explain yourself because this is rather vague
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
Just tell me the first few things that comes to mind.
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
mostly I wonder how the writers of it made the thing so damned well detailed, and then I wonder why people still argue over shit they figured out so long ago. And then I wonder how people can get away with breaking this thing on a daily basis. That's what I wonder.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
A literalist! Are you a literalist? Don't play with me on this. Do you take the words, and phrases, of the Constitution literal?
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
why would you write a set of laws for them to not be taken seriously? are you fucking retarded?
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
I agree we should take laws serious. I am also a little out there, but not retarded. That is beside the point. I think I have you pegged; I am just trying to make sure. Do you take the Constitution literal? Meaning there is no wiggle room, no possible miss interpretation, it does not evolve to encompass new situations (aside from amendments); it means exactly what it says.
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
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FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
Where, or when, did I claim to be a lawyer? Did you read the statement under my profile?
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
sorry i thought i had read it somewhere, apparently it was somebody else, been reading too many comments lately.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
No harm done
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
This is why religion matters to Atheists..
Those pointless blue laws.
ParadoxAnonymous 2 years ago
The permittivity of humanity
MCCWWW 2 years ago
The presenter says its "remarkable", well I don;t think so. considering the amount of opposition to teaching fact based science lessons when they conflict with peoples religious ideals.
DarkAngel182 2 years ago
MARYLAND?!
Auriam 2 years ago
religoin is the root cause of why we are so slow to evolve in governement.
MyFartsRock 2 years ago
in government, and as society and people as a whole, damn straight.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
I make it a point to interact with people that hold differrent opinions than my own. That way I can better understand people. Holding up in your home does nothing, but let the crazies run around unchecked.
If I disagree, I respectfully tell them my position and why. And most people tend to reciprocate with the same level of respect. When they don't, it still no need to add your own bombshell to the mix. Open discussion breeds comprehension and compromise, unlike being pig headed.
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
stop ranting, you're starting to troll now and it's rather annoying.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
also some people can't be reasoned with, unfortunately diplomacy doesn't solve everything. Also it's trite and boring as hell.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
Ofcourse not, some ppl are just pig headed, maybe with thoughts of superiority, some you kill others you ignore. Such is the art of diplomacy.
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
most people would consider resorting to violence, bad diplomacy. It's not diplomatic, it's murder.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
Having the conviction to use force, when provoked, is diplomacy. It shows you are not weak and willing to do what is necessary to protect what is dear to you. The purpose of military might is to pursuade the other party not take that route, assuming you are the stronger. And no, most people shy from violence, even when provoked.
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
and september 11 2001 is a good example of why such a philosophy is bad and quite frankly doesn't work.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
Fanatics are a breed all there own. They do not care for peace unless it is under their terms; compromise--- is not an option
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
you either have diplomacy or war, not both.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
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"you either have diplomacy or war, not both"
"it's trite and boring as hell"
"most people would consider resorting to violence"
"september 11 2001 is a good example of why such a philosophy is bad and quite frankly doesn't work "
Sounds like you're a war hawk and don't wish to confess.
UrDevilsAdvocate 2 years ago
LOL this is like prayer. You can sin or you can sin and be forgiven. Being forgiven to sin makes me want to pursue it more because I can sin without fear. Maybe thats why goverment is so corrupt.
MyFartsRock 2 years ago
Sadly, I don't find this surprising.
All those states were in the Bible Belt of the United States. If you've ever lived here, you know how touchy christians are down here about atheists or anyone else from a different religion. Down here, they literally shove a bible down your throat until your shitting it while your praying and confessing your belief in God.
MrPoptartninja 2 years ago
Christianity:
The belief that a certain cosmic Jewish zombie who was born of a virgin can make you live for ever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Makes perfect sense really
joeyp2718 2 years ago
This is beyond ridiculous.
Dis mayun aint fit ta government us cause he dunno da pawr of JEEEIIIISUS.
Notice those states are all in the bible belt.If you're not a redneck and you live there RUN.RUN for your life before they hang you.
I would Picard face palm if it fit in this comment.
keikothemeowmeow 2 years ago
This prejudice needs to be exposed over and over!!!
Subscribe to my channel, Just click on my name and hit subscribe. Feel free to post my videos everwhere.
If you believe that you must accept that pretending to eat flesh and drink blood will make you live forever in order to hold public office, then......Wow.
LeoWolfComedy 2 years ago
OMFG
gearsofart 2 years ago
I want to see more political attacks on Atheist. Politics attacking a group especially minorities seem to make them stronger. Not accepting gay marriage, The war on drugs that makes drugs more potent and more users, and of course racial discriminations. People just don't understand these kind of technicalities such as Violence in video games has been proven to reduce violence not encourage it. Doctors allowing suicides to near dead patience lessens suicides. Porn = less rape in states etc.
SagaWrath 2 years ago
lol americacans are so fucking stupid fucking god suckers
idonthaveacoolcar 2 years ago
don't group all Americans in the same boat son.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
At least the state constitutions don't say which God you have to believe in- someone should take advantage of that.
pakratmak 2 years ago
Yeah, if I were this North Carolina guy I'd end my oath with "so help me flying spaghetti monster." They never said WHICH god after all! XD
minisiets 2 years ago
It baffles me how dumb the people of America are. Im majoring in government and politics and both art. 1 and 6 of the US constitution along with the supremacy clause should prevent this from even happening.
dahangman39 2 years ago
some people of America* not everyone is this stupid.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
isn't america a "free country?"
palmeiras321 2 years ago
It used to be, until various types of extremist and fundamentalist Christians dug their claws into it (though they aren't the only ones), and now insist this is strictly a "Christian country" (even though it was founded as a strictly secular country which indoors no religion in any official way, one of the first of its kind in the world), and would gradually turn this place into an oppressive and repressive theocracy if they got the chance and succeeded in gaining sufficient political power.
Hudizzle 2 years ago
Many of the founders were indeed Christian and religious, but they knew better than to have government endorse a particular religion.
LordMalice6d9 2 years ago
Actually, they weren't Christians...
They were Free Masons. They still believe in God, but Free Masons are classified as a Cult, not a Religion...
MrPoptartninja 2 years ago
@LordMalice6d9 No most of the for fathers are not Christian there Theist.. Christians took over closer to around the 50's wen it came to the government.
Darkphoenix3450 2 years ago
yea but the thing is...the US constitution says atheists can hold office...and US constitution pwns any state constitution so FUCK YOU IGNORANT CHRISTIANS
dumapies 2 years ago
you know they put this out to just rile you up right?
It's a moot point, an old bylaw, and of course something called the US Constitution supercedes it. Get a life.
mtb416 2 years ago
Please don't generalize. Not every Christian are schizo-fascist idiots like the extreme religious right.
Nawledge1 2 years ago