Speaker Nancy Pelosi Unveils House Health Care Reform Bill

[judyleasugar97]

Go Nancy, you are an inspiration!

[bronzesel]

I want that necklace!

[ShooterMaGavin]

What a croc of shit that speech turned out to be , eh fuckers? I'm going to go to jail for not having health insurance.

[punanibuzzed]

wow waxman and rengal....what a crew.... these people are weirdos!!!!!

[0nlinePredator]

She gives me a hard on!

[spanishaustralian]

another socialist supporter

[introvertical71]

I wonder if dart boards with her face on them would sell.

[introvertical71]

Real tight skin.

[landluvver]

Why does anybody think this, one of the richest members of congress, with a Bentley healthcare plan lifetime benefits, a "business owner" (read capitalist) whom is a labor proponant which happens to hire non unition and illegal workers, think she actually gives a rats ass about what happens to the general public? We are all pawns in her career objective and she will do what is necessary to cement her feeble post as speaker. The lib takers love her as do the fruits of SF where freaks run the show

[ASentinel2]

Now it's up to 63% and climbing....

The revelation from page....I dunno 1200 something about not allowing mamograms for middle aged women etc... Was reeeeeal popular.. Seem's Grayson's accusation comes from perhaps a freudian slip from his party, because the Dum's want women to not get breast cancer, but if you do, we won't test for it, so DIE Quickly...

Not smart. These guys are vacant retards...

Go ahead pass it....you're done in 2010. And we'll throw it out with you.

[chaba49]

What a phony fucking bitch . Her and her husband have stole millions . And she she stop sucking Charlie Rangel;s dick

[Nmhumbug]

The house has just passed this glorious new bill for the comrades. Like medicare, social security, and every other gov't program, this will be bankrupt in 5 years.

We need to take back our country from these Marxists!! Pelosi is so stupid it's stunning.

[ajack50]

why isn't charlie in prison along with ,pelosi and odumba

[ajack50]

all these liberal idiots care about is their agenda and screw America,crooks and criminals.I pray bella pelosi dies a slow painfull death botox cancer .you fucking witch,leave our healthcare alone,your bill sucks and so do you

[SirDivster]

President Teddy Roosevelt deported every Mexican he could find.What is she talking about?

[dantheleo]

We still have 15.7 million of our fellow Americans unemployed waiting for this administration to do something, anything! Job creation should be the #1 priority but it's not, it just shows that this administration cares nothing about unemployed Americans. Instead they are focused on two things, this apocalyptic health care reform and cap & trade that will sky-rocket taxes for every American, the rich, middle class and the poor!

[bigtex501]

Dantheleo,

Too true!!!!

However... it's worse than most admit!!!!

11-3-09 U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics....

JOBLESS claims increased to 9.8%

with....

TOTAL UNEMPLOYMENT....

now standing at 16.8% of the civilian population or 39.66 MILLION people!

But obamer & the Democrats are worried about 8 million people that absolutely can't get health insurance????

Are those that can't afford to get health insurance DUE to the fact that they don't have JOBS???

[NCMan28025]

What a lying sack of botox! Did anyone see the CBO letter to Charles Rangel which said the "public-option" is more expensive than private insurance? Or that only 2 percent (under 65) will enroll into the public option by 2019. That's 6 million people and the costs will be at least $1 trillion. Do the math and see if this bill is worth it? What happens to the other 30 million uninsured? If they cant afford private insurance how can they afford a more expensive public option? Think about that!

[WKaliberr]

David Mitchell and Robert Webb are responsible for this mess

[bigtex501]

IF a 2nd "STIMULUS" spending package passes this year?

CBS NEWS...November 15th, ***2010***

"obama announces MORE funding is needed to individual States now that "JOB-LESS CLAIMS" have reached RECORD levels of 17.4%!

Democrats are NOW proposing a 3rd Stimulus Spending Package estimated to be near $1.9 Trillion...

EASILY exceeding the $1.3 Trillion Stimulus Spending Package that passed in December of last year."

[bigtex501]

IF Health Reform Bill 3692

& the National Sales Tax (VAT) pass this year?

(Part 1)

CBS NEWS...November 15th, ***2010***

"obama announces more tax hikes to those with incomes of $80,000 or more due to the DEPRESSION that has swept the nation.

He also announced that the National Sales Tax that initially intended to help fund the "single payer" health care plan that passed last year, will need to be increased from 17.5% to 25% due to the loss of taxable revenue generated since last year."

[bigtex501]

IF Health Reform Bill 3692

& the National Sales Tax (VAT) pass this year?

(Part 2)

CBS NEWS...November 15th, ***2010***

"And in a stunning announcement, the Democrats admit that the "start" date of the "single payer" plans will not begin until 2020.... breaking the promise....

That the health care plans would begin in 2014 / 2015 by the latest as promised last year."

[dkkght46]

Well Gosh darn Jethro We do not have any money to pay for this program so why not just do it. Maybe we should go out get a mortgage we cant pay for , or car , max out our credit cards. Then we can be just like our government from cities , towns, states and the feds. I just wonder why we can not live within our budgets.

[bigtex501]

H.R. 3962 & "DOC FIX" Legislation CBO.. NET INCREASE in FED DEFICITS.. $425 BILLION in Medicaid & CHIP $605 BILLION in FED Subsidies SUB TOTAL.. $1,055 billion in subsidies by exchanges & related spending! + $245 BILLION "DOC FIX" = $1.3 TRILLION TOTAL! Offsets - $167 billion in penalties paid by individuals & employers 10 years. NET reduction in fed budget deficits of $104 billion over 2010-2019 period With "DOC FIX" GRAND TOTAL of Health Care Proposal? $ 1,196,000,000,000.00!

[greyflcn]

re: bigtex501

So your worse case scenario, we're talking $113 billion a year.

US GDP is $14000 billion a year.

So at worst we're talking 0.8% of the US GDP

Meanwhile we spend 17% of our GDP on healthcare, expected to grow to 20% in 6 years if we keep the status quo.

Where as other countries with federal programs are spending only 8~10% and getting better results than us.

Even at it's worse, it sounds like a good investment to spend 0.7% to save 3.0~10.0%

[bigtex501]

$245 BILLION "DOC FIX" Legislation

Sen. Stabenow (D-Mich)

"Dem leaders hoped to PASS THE PROPOSAL QUICKLY, so as to DISASSOCIATE it from the larger health reform proposal."

"Were doing the doc fix (formula to pay doctors treating Medicare patients) first so as not to get it confused with health care reform," Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said.

"Were going to try to pass it as an emergency-type of spending so that it DOESNT CONNECT to the health care reform bill & FIGURE IN AS A COST OF IT."

[leddhed]

Fuck Pelosi-Care.

[bigdogphoto]

All of these entitlement programs have to be reigned in. Start to demand accountability from your government. It is your money not the governments money.

Audit the Federal Reserve! The rapid increase in the money supply to fund foolish spending is designed to keep the rogue politicians in power.

Make sure your schools and you teach your children about the Constitution and Bill of Rights or watch our liberty slip away! All of these proposals are violating our Constitution.

Radical right?

[bigtex501]

BigDog,

Actually with the Democrats in an overwhelming majority power.... it's NOT radical to think these things could happen...

It's INSANE!

YOU think the Dems want We The People to know what they're up to and the spending therein???

[HarveyRex23]

Just another watered down version of the so called health care reform bill. The Democrat Party once again never fails to disappoint. The House version is a gift for the private health insurance industry. As far as my response in all this goes. I don't think I will find myself voting for any Democrat in the 2010 & 2012 elections. President Obama will be a ONE TERM president if he goes along with this.

[bigtex501]

CBO H.R. 3962

**LEAVES 18 MILLION non-elderly residents UNINSURED!

** The "public plan" would have to CHARGE premiums to cover its costs!

MANDATE for legal residents to obtain health insurance starting in 2013 & impose a FINANCIAL PENALTY on people who did not do so!

Substantially reduce the growth of Medicare's payment rates for services!

Impose an INCOME TAX SURCHARGE on high-income individuals!

Pay SUBSIDIES to 150% to 400% of FPL in the exchanges.

Set up insurance "exchanges"!

[bigtex501]

CBO

..Imposes a "play-or-pay" requirement on employers MANDATED to offer "qualifying" insurance to employees & contribute SUBSTANTIAL share toward the premiums or PAY A FEE (TAX) to equal 8% of their payroll!

..Smaller employers (Less than $750,000) pay lower rate or be exempt from that requirement!

..Certain employers could allow all of their workers to choose among the plans available in the exchanges, but those enrollees would NOT BE ELIGIBLE to receive SUBSIDIES via the exchanges!

[bigtex501]

CBOs assessment....

That a "public plan" paying negotiated rates would attract a broad network of providers but.... would typically have PREMIUMS that are somewhat HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE PREMIUMS for the private plans in the exchanges!

The rates the public plan pays to providers would, on average, probably BE COMPARABLE TO THE RATES PAID BY PRIVATE INSURERS!

[greyflcn]

re: bigtex501

Comparable rates, without the risk of dropped/denied coverage.

Sounds like a good deal to me.

"The public plan would have to CHARGE premiums to cover its costs!"

You're saying that, like that's a bad thing for them to be funded the same way a private company would.

And as for 18 million uncovered, that's dramatically better than the status quo of nearly 50 million.

[2010GOP]

greyflcn:

Where did you get the information on what the rates will be? I don't believe that has been clarified

Also, there will be millions who pay Zero in premiums --- "I" will pay for them & forced to by law

Your "50 Million" uninsured was debunked long ago. Don't believe the Democrats' BS

[greyflcn]

re: 2010GOP

Indeed there would be million who pay zero in premiums.

However would you prefer that they get "covered" by far more expensive coverage of Medicare or frequent emergency room visits?

Those people will be covered by tax dollars regardless. And preventative treatment is cheaper than catastrophic treatment.

_

As for rates, I agree neither of us know the real rates.

But if existing non-profit/federal rates are any indication, then I'm optimistic.

greyfalcon. net/ overhead2

[2010GOP]

greyflc:

First of all, it is illogical to believe that millions will seek "preventative care" --- Millions are insured now & don't get basic check-ups

Secondly, it is also illogical to believe it will be "cheaper" to cover the cost of every ailment under the sun for millions -vs- only emergencies now

[bigtex501]

Congressional Budget Office Reports....

To reduce direct spending by about $426 billion over the 2010 - 2019 period...

.. Permanent reductions in the annual updates to Medicares payment rates for most services in the fee-for-service sector! (namely, the effects of those changes on payments to Medicare Advantage plans & collections of Part B premiums.) (SAVING $229 BILLION)

.. Setting payment rates in the MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PROGRAM on the basis of Medicare spending! (SAVING $170 BILLION)

[bigtex501]

Congressional Budget Office Reports....

...All told, H.R. 3962 would reduce the federal deficit by $9 billion in 2019 alone???? (big deal!)

...Consequently, CBO expects that the legislation would ***slightly reduce*** federal budget deficits in the following decade (2019 to 2029) relative to those projected under current law...

with a total effect during that decade that is in a broad range between "ZERO" and 1/4% of GDP!

[leddhed]

Where is tort reform Nancy?

[independentview1]

There is also that whole "buy Government insurance or go to jail".

To a progressive that's taking care of the Middle Class.

At least after the Democrats put people in jail they can get free health care there.

[TrickyEmu]

You can hear that she is not too happy about Health Care Reform. Pelosi favored a robust public option but stupid Conservative Democrats pushed for a weaker public option.

[progressiveforchrist]

Not progressive enough; they still caved to the conservatives; the progressives way would of save even more money.

[awall1231]

i will be offering a healthcare plan that costs $1 a month. it covers 1/2 of a percent of medical costs. it gives you proof of insurance so you will not have to pay penalty. if you get sick or injured you can buy regular insurance at hospital as you can no longer be denied for pre-existing conditions. it is not a premium plan so there are no added taxes. this plan will save thousands of dollars each and every year. this is not a joke. plan starts if bill is passed. libwhoreals need not apply

[bigdogphoto]

At 0:59 she has Freudian slip "important mess"! You sure do have a huge mess you rogue politicians are shoving down our throats!

Our nation's virtues of thrift and self-reliance are slipping away with our freedoms under the increasingly tyrannical, centralized, controlling Federal government.

Less individual responsibility means less personal freedoms.

Term limits and the return of citizen politicians I say!

Wake up sheeple!

[Fringe111]

Ideology is fine and dandy but not when it come to the lives of our people. I suppose you're just fine with the insurance companies denying care for the sake of your beliefs. I'm not.

[bigtex501]

Fringe,

Then WHY are you supporting this government run health care scam that will MODEL Medicare in almost every way..

THAT...

DENIES 6.9% of medical claims to their patients...?????

FAR MORE than ANY insurance agency!

[librophile]

bigtex501

The PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS have been very active helping the Middle Class since the last elections.

THEY PASSED BILLS~~To help our economy recover~~To provide Health Care to all American children~~To provide women with Equal Pay for Equal Work~~ To protect consumers from abusives Credit Card Co~~To increase the Minimum Wage~~To improve Cars Fuel Efficiency~~To target Tax-evading Offshore Accounts...etc

EACH OF THESE BILLS WERE STRONGLY OPPOSED BY THE REPUBLICANS !!!!

[independentview1]

You forgot that Progressives also gave us

Unemployment at almost 10%, pushing 30% in Detroit,

tens of thousands of people losing their homes,

cities with record numbers of Homeless,

more Debt than every other President in the history of the country combined,

attacks on individual freedom on an almost daily basis,

one unconstitutional bill after another being proposed

Billions given to Banks and Corporations

[Fringe111]

You forget that Bush gave us this mess. He's the one who jamed through a medicare bill that was never paid for. Now we have to pick up his mess

[independentview1]

News Flash:

Bush is not the President, Obama is, has been for ten months.

Democrats have controlled Congress for 2 years and Congress is responsible for this mess as much as Bush. Including Obama in the Senate during that time helping to make this mess.

No question Bush did things that were wrong but Obama is intent on destroying this country.

[librophile]

independentview1...Democrats controlled Congress for 2 years"...

YOU'RE WRONG !!

In 2007 Democrats had only a single (1) majority vote & were repeatedly stalled & blocked by the obstructionist RatpubliKKKans or vetoed by Bush. Nothing got done because of the RatpubliKKKans.

Democrats now have a Super Majorority Congress & the F*CKING RatpubliKKKans are still playing their political games by never supporting any Democratic Bills.

In 2010 & 2012 we'll get rid of the RatpubliKKKans.

[independentview1]

A one vote majority is a majority. That's called control of Congress.

Why would any Republicans support Socialist Bills that violate the Rights of American Citizens and are unConstitutional?

[librophile]

Independentview...You need 60 votes to overturn a presidential veto ... MORON !!

The RatpubliKKKans refused to vote down Socialized Medicare, the Socialized VA Health Care and Social Security.

I guess RapubliKKKans love Social Programs as much as the rest of the American people.

They bitch about it ... but when came the time to vote these Social programs down ... they backed down like hypocrites pussies that they ALL are ... YOU included. So shut the F*ck up !!

[independentview1]

Obama is President now, MORON.

You don't like other people having a say do you.

I don't see many Republicans backing down from the Democrats or you.

Shut your own hole.

[Cyrathil]

Isn't the 60 votes we keep hearing about as required more so they can call cloture and end a filibuster rather than trying to get it into law without the president's full support. As has been said before, Obama is president now, I doubt people are more worried about him than the republicans in the houses of Congress.

[Neo2012100]

democrats suck

[bigtex501]

Indep

even the almost 10% unemployment isn't giving all the facts!

Under obamer.. the TOTAL unemployment is NOW at 16.9%!

But does it matter to the Democrats?

NOT ONE BIT!!!

There're TOO stuck on getting their "co-dependent" entitlement programs shoved down our throats and after taking CONTROL of 30% of our economy by the bank bailouts, hostile take-over of GM, etc.. now they want 18% MORE of our economy to run!!!!

Once they get to 50%.. WE'LL be "officially"...

A SOCIALISTIC COUNTRY!!!

[Fringe111]

Don't complain about Medicare, anyone who has it loves it.

[bigtex501]

Fringe,

If that's the case.. then for those that LOVE Medicare... then be WARNED!!!

The Democrats intend to CUT Medicare benefits BIG TIME!!!!!

Haven't YOU been listening to the news????? Even CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc.... tell of the Medicare cuts!!!!

[Fringe111]

I know all about what you're talking about, The changes will have nothing to do with delivery and care. Nothing will change for the patient.

[bigtex501]

Fringe,

Nothing will change???

Really???

According to the American Academy of Family Physicians....

The U.S. today has just 2.4 physicians per 1,000 population!

NOW, let's throw MILLIONS more into the mix and what do YOU think will happen?

Dr. Ted Epperly of the AAFP said it best.....

"It's like giving everyone free bus passes, but there are only two buses!"

[purrmatt]

Bigtex501 has left over a 100 comments all in just one day. Most of the comments are negative comments for Grayson but he does have a few positive ones for Fox News and the clown Oreilly. Thats a full time job. Do you work for Fox? Bill Oreilly? How much do you get paid to lie $1 a comment?

Now I believe Grayson when he said Fox is the enemy of America.

Grayson is one of the few congress members who has a spine and stands for American public. Shame on you for paddling lies on you tube.

[bigtex501]

purr,

What's the matter... don't like how grayson voted either???

And of course.. if someone is against ANY of the Dem's proposals.... they HAVE to be working for an insurance firm, racist, anti-American, etc...! LOL

You'll have to face the fact that the MAJORITY of Americans are AGAINST what the Democrats are proposing!

BTY.. These reports are from GRAYSON HIMSELF!

[rationalnow]

This left-wing extremist B.S. health care bill is a pathetic joke! Nobody in their right mind can support this crap that will do nothing but destroy our health care system and add more trillions of dollars to our deficit! It is a disgrace the way Democrats are wiling to destroy the best health care system in the world to satisfy their power-hungry corruption and push the left-wing radical extremist agenda!

[Fringe111]

Wrong. The enemy here is the insurance compamies that are preventimg us from ever getting to that wonderful care.

[bigtex501]

WHAT'S THE TRUTH???

NEED TO KNOW?

Google for YOURSELF (copy & paste) below sentences...

health care reform bill will begin in 2015 at the EARLIEST

Democrats MANDATE health care insurance

CBO September 16 2013 REQUIREMENT for residents to obtain health insurance

obama CUTS BILLIONS from Medicare

The goal is to REDUCE COSTS and "guide" your doctors decisions (H.R. 1 EH pages 442, 446)

obama LEGALIZE ILLEGALS to get them health care

Democrats declare that a Value Added Tax should be added

[CaramelAnt]

WORDS are CAPITALIZED with no rhyme OR reason

Possibility of RELEVANT point is NIL

PAVLOV'S DOG won't shut UP

flag ON the MOON

HOW did it GET there?

SHUT YOUR COCK GARAGE ALREADY FATTYCAKES

[greyflcn]

re: bigtex501

You do realize that the subsidies for the low end of healthcare would be in the form of tax breaks, right?

Last I checked, illegal immigrants don't file taxes.

But incidentally, they do often pay payroll taxes, sales tax, and road tax. So much so that the IRS figures we get about $8.5 billion a year in unreimbursed FICA taxes a year.

greyfalcon. net/ immigration

That said, YES illegal immigrants would be able to buy private insurance plans through the exchange.

[bigtex501]

Grey,

You missed the speech obamer gave at the Hispanic Caucus when he's simply going to make them "legal" so they'll be able to get insurance under his plan AND file for subsidies on their taxes. (amnesty for all)

And on the filings of the illegals... they OFTEN max out the allowable dependents so their tax loss is minimal. Plus there are plenty that work for CASH ONLY and pay NO TAXES at all!

But nice try!

[librophile]

bigtex501...You're lying your ass off.

I know you're used to lies, and misinformation, being a FakeNews brainwashed viewer ... but don't come here and spread your lies here. MORON !!

Undocumented Immigrants will have access to the Internet Insurance Exchange ... but NOT the Government-run Public Option, nor will they receive any subvention / monetary help from the Federal Government.

That's good. They won't have to use the emergency room & that will save US taxpayers $1,200 in taxes.

[bigtex501]

libro,

Uh... oh, got you upset a bit?

Don't like the truth very much do you???

But you'll HAVE to face it sooner or later... obamer himself said in his speech to the Hispanic Conference that illegals WILL have the same opportunities as regular Americans by SIMPLY changing their STATUS from illegals to legals (amnesty)!

And EVEN during the process PRIOR to their STATUS change.. they'll STILL be able to participate... but NOT get subsidies untill they'll be able to legally file tax returns!

[bigtex501]

libro,

And.... YOUR buddies the Democrats continually voted DOWN any requirements for verification of citizenship at ANY hospitals.... the illegals will STILL be able to walk into ANY HOSPITAL and receive medical care on the backs of the American people and pay NOTHING!

Feel stupid yet??

YOU SHOULD! LOL

But DO try again when you know a bit more of what you're talking about! LMAO!!!

[librophile]

bigtex501 ... So you're suggesting that if undocumented immigrants appear at the emergency rooms of hospitals ... they should be denied medical care and be left to die???

My racist friend, there are laws in place to prevent this from happening.

As a selfish, knuckling dragging uncaring RatpubliKKKan you would rather see them die then rescueing them.

And I bet you proclaim yourself to be a good bible thumper Christian? NICE !!

[bigtex501]

Latest Polling

49% say passing ***NO health care reform bill*** this year is BETTER than passing the plan currently proposed by Congress!

ONLY 39% say they support these plans for health care!

[bigtex501]

TODAYS POLLS!!

-11 obamer approval index!

52% DISAPPROVE of obamer & ONLY 47% approve!

JUST 15% of voters NOW GIVE CONGRESS good or excellent ratings! (BAD NEWS!)

54% OPPOSE the Democrat's plan! (42% **STRONGLY** OPPOSE!)

42% favor the plan

53% say the if the plan passes... the *quality of care* will get WORSE!

57% say costs will go *UP*!

55% OPPOSE *penalties* for NOT buying insurance!

67% OPPOSE a National Sales Tax to pay for health care reform! (HELLO PELOSI.. LISTENING YET????)

[asphyxiafeeling]

GWB approval rating: 22%. i think back then the republicans said "polls are meaningless". now it's my turn. polls don't mean shit. oooh. doesn't that seem pretty mean? doesn't that seem unfair? too bad. polls don't mean shit. congress? yeah i know congress is a disappointment, but they always are. Obama? you got 3 more years to suffer :)

[bigtex501]

Wall Street Journal

Nancy Pelosi admits that Democrats may have to **impose** a HUGE NEW TAX (VAT or NATIONAL SALES TAX) to fund their spending ambitions!

With a $9 trillion 10-year budget deficit, $4 trillion in spending in 2010 alone, & a $1 trillion (minimum) health-care entitlement, Pelosi & Dems are suggesting ADDING a Value Added Tax on TOP of existing TAXES that applies to every level of production or service, & is largely **hidden** from those who ultimately pay it...namely, CONSUMERS!

[shoogie06]

We're inefficiently paying more in health care costs whenever somebody shows up without insurance in the emergency room. We also pay more because limited competition among the insurance. Capitalism only works when we have lots of competition in any industry. Taxes are good things we it pays for things really need, like roads, police, firemen, and would think health care would be one of those things we need. Clinton left us in the black. Bush 1 & 2 and Reagan left us with huge deficient.

[leathertanner]

You will change your mind after you start paying my health bill....good job, comrades!

[SloppyGoopMakeup]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP MS PELOSI and especially for overcoming the Party of No's attempts to derail and roadblock America becoming more civilized among nations. Maybe we will soon rise above #37 in world health care quality!

[leathertanner]

I don't believe it.

That 's because I read some of the bill.

BTW. 9 billion divided by 355 million over ten years is actually $300 per person per year.

This bill requires you to be insured. You goddamn dumb slaves, did anyone read that part of the bill? It's like California's autoinsurance, prepare for wage garnishments, tools. I went without insurance for 10 years. I didn't get $8k for being a first time home buyer. My fathers fought for this country.

This is betrayal.

[apollyonus]

My grandfather fought for this country, my father fought for this country, I fought for this country. We did not get to choose which parts of our country to fight for. You do not know the meaning of the word betrayal.

[MrHelldogger]

At $900,000,000,000/yr (projected, not actual) that = $2903/citizen ea. yr. on top of the $39,000 ea. citizen already owes. I'm sorry, but I'm a little short on my share. Will one of you blissfully ignorant college kids pick up my part. Between me, my wife & our 5 kids it's only $404,515/yr. That's chump change for you highly educated people. I only make 43,000/yr if I'm not laid off because my company went to Mexico. Happy NAFTA.

Death to the Democracy!

[librophile]

It may not be the "perfect" bill but it sure is a right step in the right direction.

It's the greatest improvement to our Profit-Driven Broken Down Health Care System ... in the past 60 years !!

[PersonalJesus348]

but we have to make up for the years of stagnation... Not qualify it.

[iwillspyonyou]

Welcome to fascism to America! Government will be able to control citizens life, health and death ! Good luck to all !

[pokermaster54]

do you know that you're an idiot or do you just walk around thinking that your IQ is average?

[greyflcn]

re: iwillspyonyou

So remind me, how does the US Post Office "control your life"?

Cause that's basically the equivalent of what we're talking about here.

You don't USPS? Then go use UPS or FedEx.

[pakratmak]

Unfortunately in that analogy, it's not even about making the delivery, it's how the delivery insurance is handled.

[MooseOfReason]

greyflcn, Only the USPS is allowed to deliver letters. And it has a massive deficit, according to the Postmaster General. They're thinking about cutting a day of service.

If it broke even, and wasn't a monopoly, I'd be okay with it.

[greyflcn]

re: MooseOfReason

So have you read this before?

nalc. org/ postal/perform/selfsufficient.­html

[MooseOfReason]

greyflcn, That seems like one-sided postal propaganda. Read the memo by the Postmaster General from January, 2009.

"First, it is possible that the cost of six-day delivery may simply prove to be unaffordable. If that should occur, it could become necessary to temporarily reduce mail delivery to only five days a week."

Google "STATEMENT OF

POSTMASTER GENERAL/CEO JOHN E. POTTER"

Also, read the article "The Post Office IS Subsidized" by John Stossel.

[greyflcn]

re: MooseOfReason

Oh no doubt, this year they have problems.

However practically every major company has had a bad year.

Companies that have never before ever reported losses, suddenly are.

[junkforkaryn]

from your comment i'd say you need all the intervention, government or otherwise, that you can possibly get.

[pakratmak]

Your welcome is almost a century late, but thanks just the same.

[Smartassawhip]

When this bill passes... and it will pass.. I wonder how long it will be before the republicans try and take credit for it.

Between them and the insurance companies I imagine we will soon get to wittness yet another hissy fit.

[checkurself]

I'll wait until this actually passes before I make my judgment. I have good health care thus far but I haven't been serious ill before so I do want a robust change in the system. Otherwise it's all moot.

[littlebites]

so is this just a proposal or is this the final conclusion of the health care reform process? if its just a proposal what else is left to be done before it is passed and how long might that take?

[joshpnw]

I didn't know the 'doughnut hole' needed closing.

[dennist3hmenace]

Does anyone really believe this won't raise the deficit or increase our national debt?

Another trillion down the drain. Thanks Congress!

[LeGioNoFZioN]

this woman annoys and bothers me to no end

[ChunAsperEndao]

I'll have to look more closely at it, but I doubt this will actually provide coverage to 96% of the population. And even if it does, that's not "universal coverage," as she said it was at the beginning of her remarks.

[kurtkobain1234]

I'm pretty sure she wasn't including illegal immigrants when she said universal coverage, even though they are a part of the population. I don't know if that accounts for the leftover 4%, but it definitely takes a chunk out of it.

[librophile]

kurtbobain ... As it was repeatedly said ... Undocumented Immigrants will have the right to purchase Health Insurance for their families through the "Internet Exchange" but will be PREVENTED from joining the "Government-Run Public Option" and will NOT RECEIVE any subvention payment help from the Federal Government.

THIS IS GREAT !!

They will no longer be forced to use only the Hospital Emergency Room and it will save $1,200 in hidden taxes for each American citizen.

[10thAngel]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!!! Hope you are gonna join the club *flagwaves from Europe* :3

[d3v07]

This is great news. The only thing she betrays are the insurance companies that have gouged our coutry for far too long. Stop buying into the FoxNews bullshit you fucking idiots.

[maskedphrogg]

Yep, it's historical.

When my parents were born the country had just fought in a vast war against the kind of political groups that promote this kind of social control.

Now nearly half the nation embraces this kind of anti-market economics.

In 1949 the US was recovering from a nasty fight with NAZI's and other fascist principals. 60 yrs later we have a political Party and Senate leader espousing those very same ideals.

Yes Nancy, that is historical, but certainly nothing I'd be bragging about.

[Aaberg123]

You are an undereducated moron.

[ChunAsperEndao]

"... espousing those very same ideals."

Really!? Shit... no wonder all the Jews in my neighborhood have been disappearing and we just annexed the Sudetenland.

[BabySealPoacher]

nothing you'd be bragging about? we finally have a proposed health care reform bill which every american has been waiting for! it may not be historical but it is the best news we've had in a while. im sure there are going to be problems and republicans do not seem happy about it, but we'll see what happens by next week.

the best of luck to all

[maskedphrogg]

I and other proponents of Liberty and Justice for all haven't been waiting for it. You assume too much and propose to coerce the rest of us into supporting your health care. That is what it comes down. A perversion of the phrase "pursuit of happiness" into "guaranteed satisfaction." You should be ashamed, but don't possess the ability to know why. Or do you?

[Urschleim]

you are so dumb and deceived, it`s unbelievable. we germans have public healthcare starting from the 1870s introduced by reichskanzler Otto von Bismarck. about 60. I REPEAT 60 years before Hitler and the NATIONAL socialists were elected. 50 years before the NSDAP was founded and almost 20 years before Hitler was even born.

the german empire at that time was a constituitional monarchy.

you fail at history. who educated you?

Hannity , Beck and O`Reilly?

[maskedphrogg]

Excuse me?

Are you bragging that the roots of fascist policy making in the German Republic predate Hitler by half a century?

btw a monarchy is a monarchy however you try to justify it's existence.

What I find very discomfiting is that Hannity makes more sense than you.

[Urschleim]

you know why i don`t care what you say?

because educated people know that i am right and you are just spinning your own reality like your puppetmasters.

[maskedphrogg]

Come now, you can be honest. We won't dislike you for not understanding a viewpoint. It's this lying about it being beneath you to comment, right in the middle of making a comment that sets you off as a clown. You feign a righteous stance, and then fail to voice an opinion at all.

What's the matter? Do you just enjoy nay saying? Now is the time you back up your opinion with facts and reasonable conjecture. You're simplistic "I'm right, you're wrong" is silly and immature. Come join the debate.

[volumedealer1]

Peloski is a traitor to our country