The era of self-regulated markets has come to an end

[fivestarmichael]

There is no point in debating people like JPSoviet. Any facts you bring up... he will call it, "western propaganda" or "western media lies." He has no sense of logical or critical thinking skills. His arguments are completely based on opinion.

[JPSoviet]

i see that the pro capitalist and anti communist progaganda of the 50s worked... i feel sorry for you.

[fivestarmichael]

As I predicted you use the word propaganda to explain everything.

Supporting a system that has two classes, the party elite who live like rich capitalist and the workers who live like slaves.

Your communists heroes spent more time talking about work, then actually doing it.

[JPSoviet]

come on now, watch some 50s anti communist films here on youtube, that's as propaganda as it gets

[fivestarmichael]

Your right there was/is a lot of anti-communist propaganda. There was/is a lot of communist propaganda.

Today most Americans consider the "red scare" propaganda a joke. However, people like you seem to take the communist propaganda seriously. Ignoring the deep failures of communist-Leninist-Stalinist ideology.

You can't seriously believe communism is superior to any system... except maybe feudalism.

[JPSoviet]

i do not believe that communism/socialism is superior to any other system but i do believe it is the right choice over an aristocratic like system that has constant unesesary depressions. Ovecourse many have taken advantage of Communism such as stalin and N Korea, but if communism is run as it was intended to be run then it will succeed, look at China, Laos, and Vietnam, as for Cuba, theve had a terrible embargo on them for the past 50 years, you cannot expect any system to prosper under that

[fivestarmichael]

The economic cycles you mention are not being created by free-market capitalism. The regulation of free-markets by the Federal Reserve are causing these recessions.

Communism destroys initiative. Companies competing against each other create better cars, computers and consumer goods. People competing with each other for money are going to work harder and produce more.

China and Vietnam are no longer using the communist economic model and they are prospering.

[aviomaster]

-- Exactly , Slave owners are FREE , and they translate this thru TV propaganda to the slaves , and they feeel FREE , as long as they are bombarded by Propaganda , like in USA, you do not know you are slave.

[fivestarmichael]

I work for myself and I am doing very well. How am I a slave?

[aviomaster]

-- USA proved shity country based on false weak greed of people who , make big money know , the future is not important , GM bankrupt.

[hosank]

that means nothing..and that is normal...the strong survive. gm was not managable..now it's in trouble. that does not mean the system has failed.

[JPSoviet]

if the systems largest companys arnt doing well then that should tell you something about the system

[hosank]

yet, in the last 300 years of this system being in place..many companies were not doing well, or collapsed, yet it has not affected the system

[JPSoviet]

Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners.

Vladimir Lenin

anyway capitalism has been kept afloat because of the rich, do some research and find out why capitalism hasnt died yet , its not because the people want it.

[fivestarmichael]

Your quoting Lenin? Are you seriously saying people wanted Leninism? You are either misinformed or a liar.

Millions of people who resisted Lenin's ideas were executed... or made slaves to the Soviet state. You are so delusional.

I know any historical facts I cite you will call, "Western Propaganda." You are not espousing the truth only your warped agenda.

[fivestarmichael]

Death is a natural part of any system. The dinosaurs were doing quite well for millions of years on Earth... then they all died off. Does this mean there is something wrong with Earth's biological system?

[JPSoviet]

yes, humans

[timetofly5]

love the double talk or speak black is white believe it don't disagree with the government or your a nut job

[feeknocks]

self regulating markets? when has the world ever had it? america in he 19th century and modern day hong kong. that's it!

[grahamkeithtodd]

if the USA has a "self regulating" market then i am a dutchman! the USA has NEVER had such a system in place,that is like giving the monkeys the damm keys to the banana plantation!

[sinitskyd]

are you from Amsterdam or from Haague?

[1337h4x0r3r]

it's den haag

[LILUCKSMO80]

What is the point in consuming more? Consumption as it is in Capitalism has always been off balance with the ecosystem and benefited only the elite. People can't decide what they are sold, what people produce in factories and the elite wants them to feel good as a substitute for politico-economic power. It is absurd how they want to people have more of this just so that their system survives. We haven't asked for their rule and we haven't had a choice. Obviously we will let them collapse

[LILUCKSMO80]

The rest of the world has funded Western prosperity for decades, making the United States the greatest debtor state in history. As we can see today, this was a failed model and ideology. Now everyone must pay and be rewarded equally an idea the West abandoned long ago.

[sniper6081]

Bullshit. We haven't had a self-regulating market in almost a century. It has always een controlled by the government. Ever since the Federal Reserve was founded things have just gotten worse and worse.

[AR15Truther]

leaders thinking of their people haha that would be a first

[eroosevelt52]

The pursuit of profit is what makes capitalism serve people. In Canada, they have patients languishing in ambulances for hours because there is no service available from their socialized hospitals.

Tell me, where would you rather eat - at a government school cafeteria or the restauant of your choice? The market always provides higher quality, better service at better prices. Government entities have no incentive to provide good service or control costs.

[eroosevelt52]

What a joke! We have never had self-regulated markets, and the more government gets involved, the worse things get. Just wait until they run health care. Heaven help us.

[Captain42x]

Yeah, those socialized police and fire departments are also such a sham,

eroosevelt52!!!

Wouldn't you much rather have private companies do their Jobs!

Imagine... A woman is dying of a heart attack, and an understaffed government dispatch center is going too slowly...

But private medical dispatch to the rescue... oh wait ... she hasn't paid her fee this month.

Capitalism serves profit. Socialized Police and Fire departments serve people.

[dabigez357]

shut up....fool

[Captain42x]

"shut up....fool "

Ah yes, when I read responses like this, I know I've won the argument.

[dabigez357]

no it means your a dumb ass and you have no business commiting on subjects you haven't any knowlege of...study up, then think and then say something that has some assemblance of reality! k...have a nice

[Captain42x]

If you had "studied up" yourself, then you would provide a counterargument to my example.

Instead, you appear to be angry but unable to explain why I am "wrong".

[dabigez357]

look at the examples...canada,france,uk etc....go ask those citizens if socialism works!

[ultramagellan]

Go take a basic foundation course in political economy and learn what the term socialism actually means before you come on here spewing about it.

[feeknocks]

socialism is the cause of this nonsense.

[dabigez357]

no thats ok ultramagellan...i don't need to pay people to teach me lies and distortions of the truth ! so kindly fuck off!

[ultramagellan]

You mean you don't want to take a basic college degree in the subject you're holding forth on, because you already know you're right?

You dumb fucking hick.

[xxxmikeyjock]

Canada here.

socialism works

what doesnt work is giving your currency to Rothschild, and "privatization" which = giving US Corps control of your resources

[Captain42x]

"look at the examples...canada,france,uk etc....go ask those citizens if socialism works! "

My mother grew up in Canada, and I have been to France four times. It seems to work quite well.

[mikkitiny]

those are capitalistic societies with big social protection ( socialism, as you say). yes, it works this way not worse than in US, as the crisis shows. the crisis was started not by those socities but pure capitalistic one.

[grahamkeithtodd]

sorry to burst your ignornet bubble dabigez257 old son i was born in the uk and lived there for years until a few years ago when i moved to Canada and strange as it may seem it works very well for us.. you better hope and pray you NEVER have something really wrong with you as it will drive you into the poor house and bankruptcy!by the way has your bank called in your home loan yet?

[eroosevelt52]

The only legitimate function of government is public safety (police and military) Anything else - education, health care, etc. are NOT constitutional.

BTW, I would much rather call a private ambulance company and work with them on payment, than be in Canada where patients routinely lie in ambulances for hours because there is no room at the government run hospitals.

[Captain42x]

Several years ago, and my brother fell off the monkey bars and broke his arm (in Canada).

We took him to the hospital, and he was seen by a doctor after a wait that was equal to than what you'd expect at a US urgent care center.

Please think about what you were saying. If public healthcare were really so terrible, then the people in Canada would vote for politicians who support a private only plan.

The fact that they keep re-electing pro-public officials is *proof* that the public plan works.

[eroosevelt52]

People in every country keep electing officials who make the same old promises and never keep them, so all that proves is that people believe in the free lunch.

Just do a quick internet search on problems with nationalized health care and the results from the British press alone will astound you.

I have a friend in Ireland who waited 1 1/2 years (severe pain) for surgery and she was on the "urgent" list. Many Canadians come to the US for care. Otherwise their system would implode.

[eroosevelt52]

Another think I do not understand, if it's so great why do people have to be forced by government to participate? Why do politiicians exempt themselves and their families? When has a government program ever cost what they said it would? When has government ever made anything more efficient?

What this really is, is a plan to save Medicare and Social Security by denying health care to senior citizens. It is a cold, calculating culling of the herd.

How about freedom for a change?

[Captain42x]

The plan in congress provides a public *option*. If you like your private insurance, you may keep it.

[eroosevelt52]

That is one of the big lies of the Obama plan. Tell me, how is any private company supposed to compete with government, when government has the power to regulate and tax? Gov't does not have to please its customers, nor does it have to make a profit. It simply uses force. The essence of gov/t is force.

There is also a provision in the bill that forces people on the gov't plan if they go off their private plan for any reason.

It is socialism by stealth, and socialism always fails.

[bossman068410]

I don't Call a MONOPOLY on the money supply a FREE MARKET !!! THIS mess was created by the Federal Reserve !!!!!

[PrettypOeroses1]

what this ?

[Harpakhrad11]

What is "Unfettered Capitalism"?

[Sponxic]

That means that Capitalism will be regulated. Terrible idea

[Harpakhrad11]

Capitalism is already regulated.

[Sponxic]

Now, it's going to be regulated even more

[xkeltoix]

capitalisms heartland is the us? LOL