Intelligence and information. A man holding a nickel in his hand is holding info. A planet holding the man is holding info.A solar system holding the planet is info. A galaxy holding the solar system is holding info. A universe holding the galaxy is holding info. A big bang holding the universe is holding info. The big bang is information. "Something" "held" this information. We can't identify it, but it is intelligible information none the less.
"All this science, I don't understand, It's just my job 5 days a week. Rocket man, I'm a Rocket man." There is joy in knowing that evolution is a fraud and God is real, but even the atheists are aware of this, yet they have no joy and won't aknowledge God any way. It takes faith to believe in God. It takes a lot more faith to believe in evolution. "choose you this day whom ye will serve;... but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Thank You Lord God!
@acedudeone amen & well said. It's sad really, and i am convicted more to pray for them because I dont enough. You are so right in that it takes more than logic and knowing something.... there is no understanding without fear of the Lord. It really is hell on earth to think that we are just "random" chance spinning on a ball in this unfathomable universe, even by modern science standard. I can understand why there is no joy in that... to believe a lie that big must be miserable.
Then how can the atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@hazingfun Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
hes right on all physics, i have no doubt, what i am saying is that i find the leap of faith from the happy chance of situation were in to intelligent design one that has no empirical founding which i recognise. it is speculation. i never argued on the actual scientific knowledge he put forward. my other point on lack of context: take the number pi appearing in the bible, it is not useful info unless we know its application!
it seems to me that every bit of 'prediction' in the bible is in retrospect...
that when we test say F = ma, bible...people... go hunting for a bit of the bible to go 'ah i told you so!' im skeptical as to whether A) the bible actually contains this information and B) if it does that anyone would be able to use / interpret / understand it in the way that physics lets us! Nachmonides or w/e may have said blah dimensions blah, but this is useless data because it forgot the rest of the theory.
Human science have so many debates,it's not perfect, like the speed of light. some scientist say that it's constant, but for me it,s variable, when you use spectroscope, you can see that the light have deference color spectrum, each color spectrum have deference speed intensity, not include that the light pass thru the other elements it will change the color spectrum, so how could human science compute the distance of every stars in universe, human science are not perfect....
All the talk below about bats being fowl that creep on four legs makes me laugh.
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While it may be foul to eat a bat, a bat is not fowl, it is a flying mammal and not even related to fowl. One would think that the "all knowing" god would not have messed up his inerrant book with such an obvious oversight. It is the kind of nonsensical mistake that might cause future generations, who have educated themselves, to question the validity of such a book.
Gnr & imagine, you're both getting pieces of your information correct and pieces wrong. Message me sometime if you're interested in this stuff as i study into this extensively. I would post it here but, it's too long to really describe in 500 characters haha.
it says snakes don't do that anymore. tell me where it says these other things
evolution says humans came from fish. when you look at the layers of rock in the earth there are hundreds of spots that don't match up with what evolutionists say.. read the book "the science of God" then tell me what you think
HUMANS MADE FROM DIRT: The bible says humans are made from dirt. Genesis 2:7 the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground Or that man was made from dirt and woman from his rib. Depending on which version of Creation you read. Science tells us that the ocean is the womb of life on earth. As neither of us was there to observe the process, let's look and see what humans are really made of: Hmmm... Nearly all salt water and a few minerals. Sea water.
TALKING SNAKE: "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. Genesis 3:1 - 6 TALKING DONKEY: The donkey said to Balaam, "Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?" Numbers 22:28 - 30 INSECTS HAVE 4 LEGS Leviticus 11:20-23 "every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four; the locust..the beetle..and the grasshopper" BATS ARE BIRDS Leviticus 11:13-19 "among the birds; the eagle, the owl, the bat"
"snake = satan" The Bible does NOT say this. "donkey = possessed" The Bible not only does not say this, it clearly indicates otherwise. What's the point asking for references if you're just going to replace the words with your imagination? Show me where "God took away the serpent's ability to talk." It simply is not in the book. You claim there are holes in the evolutionary record. yet you blithely swallow a religion that you are making up as you go along. Try again?
There are many insects having six legs, which walk on 4, not six. None of them walk on only 2.
Leviticus 11 lists flying FOWL which may not be eaten. Most are feathered fowl, but all are classified as "fowl". First, the ones that walk on two legs, and then the ones that "creep" on the ground, can LEAP and also fly. These creeping fowl have MORE THAN two legs. Certain locusts are listed as flying fowl that may be eaten. They walk on at least 4 LEGS, never two. They also leap. READ
The Bible SPECIFICALLY says that the ones being referenced have LEGS above their FEET with which they LEAP. They are creeping, leaping, FLYING FOWL according to the biblical classification. The term "insects" is not in the text and you're using a straw man argument.
Too bad you can't read. The locust LEAPS ON TWO LEGS, walks on four or six as it suits him, and eats with the other two. does a praying mantis use all six for locomotion? The issue is WHICH FLYING FOWL ARE SUITABLE FOR CONSUMPTION, not whether or not a locust is an insect. Your assertion that somebody decided to call them all "insects" proves nothing. God considers locusts as edible flying fowl, and bats as inedible flying fowl. I consider you to be foul.
Correction: Birds are feathered flying fowl with two legs. The locust is a flying creeping thing having FOUR LEGS, WHICH IS TO SAY HE DOES NOT HAVE ONLY TWO.
20All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind...
It is you who have reinvented a definition. Genesis 1:20 defines "fowl" as things which "fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven", created on Day 5. You have narrowed God's definition to include only birds within the genre. Birds are flying fowl that have two legs and can walk an two legs. Bats are flying fowl that lack feathers and CANNOT walk upright or two legs. On Day 6 God made creeping things, some of which can fly, but none walk upright on two legs. (cont'd.)
You CAN go upon all four, like the bat, but hopefully that is not your customary mode of transport. You are not a creeping thing. Creeping things CANNOT walk on two legs, regardless of HOW MANY legs they have. A praying mantis is a creeping flying thing, and CANNOT walk on two legs. MANY CREEPING THINGS HAVE MORE THAN SIX LEGS, yet they are creeping things. SOME insects are edible, and are THE EXCEPTION AMONG CREEPING THINGS. God gave simple guidelines that anyone can understand.
Flying creeping things are in a different biblical grouping from flying fowl. Read it.
20All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
22Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
The biblical issue is "which creeping things may be eaten, NOT the exact number of legs. Bats "go on all four", unlike birds, and are not on the "eat" list. Verse 20: "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you". Some other birds are unclean because they are scavengers. All are "flying fowl" with or without feathers, and whether or not they walk upright on TWO LEGS. The bat is a flying fowl that creeps, and is forbidden to be eaten.
Verse 21 begins the set of instructions for FLYING CREEPING THINGS that were made on Day 6, a different day from the previous list of Day 5 creatures. So... the bat is a flying fowl that creeps, and the grasshopper is a CREEPING THING THAT FLIES... different list, different day. Grasshoppers and locusts, which creep, leap, and fly, are classified as "edible" WITH the edible flying fowl, but are "creeping things"... the ones for which God made an exception. Not "fowl", my bad.
A "creeping thing" goes on "all four" as compared to non-creeping things which walk UPRIGHT ON TWO LEGS.
My duallie is a "four-wheeler" not a "two-wheeler", and it has six "legs", not two, and goes on "all four". It doesn't walk upright like a bird. Got it yet?
No, dummy. The text lists insects which are THE EXCEPTIONS AMONG CREEPING THINGS, which MAY be eaten, while all other creeping things may not be eaten. The CATEGORY is CREEPING THINGS, not "INSECTS", and includes many creatures WHICH ARE NOT INSECTS. The same method applies to creatures which live in the water. Not all of them are finned, scaly fish. Maybe someday you'll learn to read and stop flapping your pie hole about your mis-characterizations of the biblical text.
Feathered fowl are birds. I'll stick with God's system of classification. Flying fowl without feathers may be bats, dragons, pterodactyls or locusts. Stick around. You'll become familiar with some unique specimens in the Tribulation.
SUN REVOLVES AROUND EARTH: The Bible says "The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hurries to his place where it rose." Ecclesiastes 1:5 It says "the sun stood still" and "the shadow of the sun moved back ten degrees" and then it says THAT means the sun went UP by ten degrees. 2 Kings 20:9 - 11 It says "O sun, stand still over Gibeon..." The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. Joshua 10:12, 13
Woman created before AND after animals: Genesis chapter 1 Verse 21- God made the birds (day 5) V 25- God made the wild animals (day 6) V 27- God created man in his own image.. male and female he created them Now chapter 2 V7- God made man from the dust of the ground V19- God made birds and ALL the beasts (same day!) V22- God made a woman from the man's rib (because he didn't want to marry an aardvark or a zebra) It's a direct contradiction. They cannot both be true.
evolutionists claim that fossil records match up throughout the earth's layers but there are hundreds of places where the layers don't match up. explain the Cambrian explosion. as a creationist I say the great flood caused it
God plainly made male and female on day 6. Genesis 2 is a detailed description of how He made the woman and planted the Garden, all on Day 6, not a different day. READ!
"Genesis 2 is a detailed description" Nice try. God makes Adam (v7) and then god makes plants (v9) and then god takes Adam and plunks him down in the middle of this "garden." (v15) And God thought he looked a bit lonely so he made EVERY animal (v19) and brought them to Adam to see if he'd like one for a wife. But Adam wasn't satisfied with a mercat or a Komodo dragon (v20) so finally god made Eve (v22) and they all lived... Genesis chapter 2. As opposed to chapter 1. It's a direct contradiction.
WRONG. Read verse 5. Genesis 2 is a summary of what God did in six days, with added details of HOW he made the female (Compare Genesis 1:27, 2:21-22) and details of his PLANTING OF A GARDEN in Eden for the man and woman, all done on day 6.
God had already created all of the plants and animals, but chapter 2 details how He made a special place for the man and woman in EDEN where He planted stuff that He had made. This was not the only place on earth with life. Got it?
"Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. 21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."
"Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. 21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."
All animals communicate. So what if a couple of them spoke audibly in a way that a man could understand one time in the past? Are you claiming that it didn't happen because I haven't showed you a video? What proof have I that you exist? If you don't understand them, that's your problem. Nobody is claiming that they speak English NOW. CAN'T YOU READ?
"So what if a couple of them spoke audibly in a way that a man could understand one time in the past? Are you claiming that it didn't happen because I haven't showed you a video?"
I'm asking YOU to prove that it DID happen.
That;s how it works.
If I claim that hobbits really exist in New Zealand
it would be up to me to bring evidence to prove that
or to admit that it is not true.
You claim that animals spoke human language fluently.
Yeah, I have a printer too... and Photoshop. And I've met people who pretend to be somebody they're not. I don't need evidence for the fact that the Serpent (not "snake") who is the Devil and Satan, SPOKE to the Woman. He spoke to Jesus Christ too. You heed the Serpent's advice and methods a lot. "Yea, hath God said?"
I have a written record that God has preserved for many millennia, but it is highly unlikely that there will be any written record of ANYTHING you ever said or did when 5500 A.D. rolls around. Some things are more important than what YOU think is important.
I have pointed out your inability to notice that different words don't mean the same thing. If you want to make ignorant straw man arguments, you're fooling no one but yourself. I have a book (KJB) that has never been proven wrong. You have nothing but your imagination and your inability to read Scripture in context.
Yup... and you're deluded with your refusal to see the evidence of a global cataclysm that buried the antediluvian world under gravel and mud in less than a year. You refuse to examine the evidence.
there is also no geological evidence to support that this great flood occured and it happened to flood all of north america and asia in order to drown out the mammoths
The truth is, fossil graveyards exist in every major country, especially the Americas. In these fossil graveyards vast numbers of creatures are violently mixed together. In America and China... hundreds of dinosaurs are mixed and buried together.
In Sicily, four thousand feet above sea level on Mount Etna, are two caves crammed with the bones of thousands of hippopotami in each. On the island of Malta there are lions, tigers, mammoths, birds, beavers, hippopotamus and foxes all mixed together.
pfft the mind is capable of making connects from one thing to another if it sets out to do that, its a characteristic we evolved to succeed more so then our predecessors (noticing when the mammoths usually came into the valley, the passing seaons etc.) if you believe in evolution lol
Sorry to bust your bubble, but the ice age came after the great civilizations and after the Great Flood, and only lasted about 100 years. The great herds of mammoths were not seen after the Flood... they were buried and fossilized by it.
By "great civilizations", I mean the antediluvian civilizations, which were superior in culture to anything achieved after the Great Flood.
For example... the Roman walls that were built upon the massive ancient foundation at Baalbeck are inferior in material and workmanship to the underlying foundation walls, and don't approach the grand scale of what must have been there before the Great Flood. There is a good reason why the original builders used such massive stones. Their plan failed.
Because the 'sponge' is sedimentary [fossil-bearing] rock, that means it was formed, or I should say solidified, under water. The only event that could produce the great depth of sediments is a world-wide flood.
For me, the very existence of 50 million or more cubic miles [80 million km] of sedimentary rock is proof. But now I also believe the subsidence of many areas due to removal of ground water is further proof that Noah's Flood was a historical event. " —Everett H. Peterson
The King's Chamber is 10.46 meters east to west by 5.23 meters north to south by 5.81 meters high (a series of measurements that precisely expresses the mathematical proportion known as the Golden Mean, or Phi).
It is built of enormous blocks of solid red granite (weighing as much as 50 tons) that were transported by a still-unknown means from the quarries of Aswan 600 miles to the south. Within the chamber, in the western end, sits a large, lidless coffer (7.5 feet by 3.25 feet,
Next question: where is all of the material used for the construction of the "ramp"?
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" But if this enormous ramp were built, it would then require a force of more than 300,000 laborers as much as eight years to dismantle. Where would all the ramp material have been placed, since it is not to be found anywhere near the Great Pyramid? And what of maneuvering the precisely carved blocks into place without damaging the corners?"
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I love how some Christians will completely disregard some science, then pick and choose, out of context, science that "seems" to support their theories.
In the first and second pyramids at Giza there are granite portcullises in the lower passages which still baffle experts today. Firstly their complex designs suggest a use much more advanced than deterring robbers (the Egyptologist explanation). It would take about 50 men to lift the portcullis slabs into place, yet the narrow corridors theyre positioned into could have only been occupied by a few men at a time.
The power and technology came through the angels that sinned.
The pyramids also encode high mathematics "unknown" to the "simple ancient Egyptians". To begin with the pyramids are located precisely on the 30th degree latitude and aligned to within 3 arc minutes of true north.
...it can be assumed that they could very accurately measure both latitude and longitude. The ratio of the great pyramids height to its base perimeter is exactly Pi (3.14). The Kings Chamber and other rooms are perfect golden rectangles expressing the mystical number Phi 1.618.
(At least you're given up on longitude - that was a very silly remark you made).
As you pointed out it is not exactly on the 30th parallel. They were out by 1.5 Km, in other words if it was in the center of Cairo it would be almost as accurately positioned. However as that is the only convenient site for pyramid building which is both near enough to Cairo and the stone quarry you'll have to better if you want to impress me.
No, I haven't "given up on longitude". I merely pointed out that using Greenwich as the reference for longitude has NOTHING TO DO WITH LATITUDE. What if the polar axis has shifted (which it has) and the pyramid was EXACTLY on the 30th parallel when it was built? The shafts aligned to the positions of the stars WHEN IT WAS BUILT. Ever heard of precession?
You said "they could very accurately measure both latitude and longitude". I pointed out the absurdity of accurately measuring longitude. I've yet to see any evidence to support your claim.
Do you understand what precession is? It makes not the slightest difference to the 30th parallel. You're clutching at straws. As for star alignment, what is impressive about that? I could easily put 2 sticks in the ground an line it up with some star, the Egyptians did it with a shaft - so what?
Let me know when you have seen the video and are able to comment intelligently. Longitude has to do with precise alignment at EXACTLY NOON on the equinox.
Let me know when you have an example of the accurate measurement of longitude. You seem to be standing by your statement that they could accurately measure it, but you have repeatedly failed to produce the evidence.
I have two words for you. Mercatur and Riis. Their maps were drawn from maps that were thousands of years older, and which had the correct longitude markings. They had the coastline of Antarctica drawn ice-free. The designation of Greenwich as the prime meridian WAS NOT "DECIDED" BY THE BRITISH. It goes back to before the civilization of Egypt. Wake up and smell the coffee.
there was no civilization before or during any of the previous ice ages. we were too busy competing with other humanoids like the neanderthals. 20 000 years after the last one disappeared the first human settlements were formed. your claim about the mammoths is utterly idiotic, if they all died in this flood then carbon dating would show they all died at the same time, they slowly petered out into extinction from hunting and climate change.
Google: In various levels of the muck, stone artifacts were found 'frozen in situ at great depths and in apparent association' with the Ice Age fauna, which implies that 'men were contemporary with extinct animals in Alaska.'
Worked flints, characteristically shaped, called Yuma points, were repeatedly found in the Alaskan muck, one hundred and more feet below the surface. One such spear point was found there 'between a lion's jaw and a mammoth's tusk.'
yes humans had simple tools but they did not have agriculturally based settlements that started producing culture up untill about 10 000 years ago the first settlement was founded in present day iraq
Right... they were too dumb to know how to plant a seed until 10000 years ago, but they could move 750-ton blocks of stone after cutting them from the quarry. Did the "neanderthals" help? Too funny for words.
Modern geology cannot explain fossil graveyards and many geologists admit to this. These graveyards are dramatic evidence that an era of the world ended with enormous violence.
It has been admitted that fossilisation on such a calamitous worldwide scale could only have occurred through the action of immense flood waters so enormous as to defy explanation. Sedimentary rock is formed by the action of water passing over strata, and fossils are only found in sedimentary rock. When? 2370 B.C.
The pinnacle of the great fossil graveyards must be that of the Arctic and Siberia. It is on a scale so awesome and stupendous that they utterly defy description. Buried in the frozen tundra are countless mammoths, elephants, horses, lions, foxes, camels and other species. For mammoths alone, estimates have run as high as five million in these titanic graveyards. Some of these fossils were so well preserved that their flesh was used to feed husky dogs.
Adjusting for the effects of decreasing magnetic field strength on radiocarbon accumulation, the true date would be about 5700-6000 years, and yes, civilization spread outward from Iraq.
Similar weapons were used only a few generations ago by Indians of the Athapascan tribe, who camped in the upper Tanana Valley. It has also been suggested that even modern Eskimo points are remarkably Yuma-like, all of which indicates that the multitudes of torn animals and splintered forests date from a time not many thousands of years ago.
The polar ice caps have been recently dated to less than 6000 years old. Taking decreasing magnetic field strength into account, the true age would be 4400
In a cave in Kirkdale in Yorkshire, eighty feet above the valley, under a floor covering of stalagmites,... teeth and bones of elephants, rhinoceroses, hippopotami, horses, deer, tigers (teeth of which were larger than those of the largest lion or Bengal tiger), bears, wolves, hyenas, foxes, hares, rabbits, as well as bones of ravens, pigeons, larks, snipe and ducks.
In this sandy matrix bones were found at every depth from a few feet to a hundred feet or more. From the large...bones of the elephant, the rhinoceros, the megatherium, the elk, the buffalo, the stag... to the remains of the now living bear, tiger, wolf, hyena, rabbit, and finally the more minute remains
In some places so complete was the confusion . . . that the bones of many different elephants were brought into contact, and on some of them even oyster shells were matted"
Hunting? Right. The dozers peeled up layer after layer of rotting corpses in the semi-frozen muck, mingled with twisted masses of trees, vegetation, gravel and mud as if jumbled in a giant cement mixer.
The catastrophe was likely ubiquitous, for these animals-the small twin-horned rhinoceros, clawed horse, giant swine, and gazelle camel-did not survive, but became extinct. The evidence bespeaks a violent death at the hands of the elements, not slow extinction in a process of evolution: = FLOOD
I have a suggestion for you too, consult your physician. The only other occasion when I have seen someone generate this amount of nonsense in so short a time, they were suffering from a bipolar disorder.
BTW The prime meridian was established in 1851 by George Airy and adopted by all major maritime countries in 1884 (the ancient Egyptians played no part in the proceedings).
i give up, your right, everything about the bible is true, god is real he does everything, he made a flood through his magical powers and covered every continent with an impossible amount of water that just eventually disappeared, the earth is the center of the universe, we are the only life in the universe the earth and heaven was created 10 000 years ago. god gave us all the information to make buildings those buildings and helped us carve out the blocks with magical amulets.
Don't dis dem magical amulets Bub. You'll need one to cover your ignorance. Explain to we how an 800 ton stone can be set upon a wall with NO SPACE BETWEEN IT AND ITS BASE, and no evidence of provision for attachment of any lifting devices. As a stone mason with 35 years of experience, I understand the logistics of such a feat. Being able to lift it and place it on a support structure is only a fraction of the problem. You then have to remove the supports that it is resting on, without slings.
...the builders knew the precise shape and size of the earth and had charted such astronomical events as the precession of the equinoxes and the lunar standstill dates. The minute discrepancies of the lengths of the base of the pyramid (several inches over the 230 meter length of its base) reveal not an error on the part of the builders but an ingenious means of incorporating into the pyramid the "discrepancies" of the earth itself, in this case the flattening of the earth's globe at the poles.
The problem with this sort of pseudo-science are that all the pyramids are out, both earlier and later ones and by different amounts. There are so many significant numbers which can be constructed from astronomical data that it is almost impossible not to be close one of them.
The ratio between successive numbers in the Fibonacci sequence increasingly approach Phi as you go on from 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34 the resulting graph is known as the fractal golden spiral and looks like a conch shell. Establishment Egyptologists say these mathematical considerations are all coincidence maintaining that ancient Egyptians didnt possess these concepts.
But the reality is, the ancient Egyptians did possess higher math and they purposely encoded it into their construction.
Some routine mathematical games were built into the dimensions of the sarcophagus. For example, it had an internal volume of 1166.4 liters and an external volume of exactly twice that, 2332.8 liters. Such a precise coincidence could not have been arrived at accidentally: the walls of the coffer had been cut to machine-age tolerances by craftsmen of enormous skill and experience. Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of the Gods
In Moby Dick you can find all sort of references to 911. 'World' 'trade' 'center', 'Osama', the talaban leader 'Omar', Osama's military cheif 'Atef', chief hijacker 'Atta', to name but a few. So are you going to worship Herman Melville, or accept biblical code references are junk science?
There are over 2.5 million stones, so if you built 24 hours a day for 100 years that means quarrying, trimming, polishing and fitting one (average 3.5 ton) stone into place every 8.5 minutes. They stacked stones so heavy, many of which cannot be lifted into place with the technology and machinery available today.
They quarried these stones from miles away and fitted them together so seamlessly that you cant fit a razor blade between them.
are you under a lot of stress? lol cause honestly why are you still trying to debate this? how much do you think i care at this point? your from some unkown part of this planet as i am to you. our opinions literally amount to nothing to each other. You can believe in your God, i'll rely on my logic and reason i know that there is no way in my power to convince someone who's ingrained pattern of thought has to do with god and same to you, i'm locked within reason. you arn't going to change that.
You obviously can't handle reason, and prefer to close your eyes and stumble blindly on with your delusions, when the evidence is right in front of your face. You have been "educated" beyond your intelligence. What a pity.
so as i have said before, have a good one, i'm sure there are greater things to spend your time with then to debate things like these with a 19 year old whome you've never met and never will, your runnin a company eh? why not concentrate on that? anyways, have a good day.
Actually I make it 21 mins. Not that its important, only the exterior and chamber had quality prepared stone as we now know the rest was filled with little more than rubble. (That's obvious when you think about it; why spend money on the interior stone blocks.)
Re: "Not that its important, only the exterior and chamber had quality prepared stone as we now know the rest was filled with little more than rubble."
Not exactly. You see, the exterior stones were precisely fitted to the interior stones, with the same tolerances, and the thing was WATERPROOF! Now, you may have no experience with masonry, but I do, and I am in awe of their skills!
@mrmacmasonry I would imagine the exterior stones were fitted together then the rubble was packed in. There is about 0.5 mm gap between the exterior stones on the better pyramids. The early pyramids were not so good, but after a thousand years of practice you would expect to see something impressive. I would be surprised it wasn't waterproof - not that it rains much.
Re: "The early pyramids were not so good, but after a thousand years of practice you would expect to see something impressive."
All 3 were built in a 100 year span, and the earliest is the best. Like human civilization, the technology and workmanship began at the pinnacle and then deteriorated. It didn't improve over time.
k sorry but i cannot believe this. this is just dumb. using scientific knowledge and bending the wording and grammar so to make god seem more possible. sorry i just can't believe this
The reason why you can't see it is because you don't understand. Why don't you go and look up what is being discussed and then make a educated comment.
well simply said when a man believes something seeks to test his hypothesis, he will see the results he wants to see when its not a definite yes or no. for example the hemoglobin, he said that it was rediculous that this molecule should ever exist, well fuck of course it would if it was just the stuff that makes it was just sittin around. its here today cause primitive life as it got more complex and complicated began to make more complex and complicated compounds. continuing to next reply...
and as it evolved the complexity grew. its in us today cause there was a huge foundation of evolution and growth that happened before us. its manufactured in us today because the d.n.a. has different "blueprints" if u will for different enzimes and proteins that are specifically meant to combine and make certain molecules like hemoglobin. the blue prints have been made cause there was 2-3 billion years of evolution to make our d.n.a.
i honestly doubt that you will believe me cause i'm so young and how could i possibly know this or that your just another guy that believes in a god and doesn't leave space for the possibility that there might not be. if you would like me to disprove anymore of this man's hypothesis feel free to ask. except the bible portions cause you know there isn't science in it. People that far back CANNOT understand the complexities of the universe were just starting to understand today
Explain the fact that science today still can not understand the complexity of the ancient pyramids and the even know for a fact that they had what we would call today is a battery of some sort back then in the pyramids days, that has advance carpentry layout skills for height, depth width and lenght that Carpenters and masons today still can not build with such plum and straight ness without laser and computer structural egineering. So how did they do that back then????
eugh, i wrote this 4 months ago, why did u comment? lol. They were precise with their measurements cause they had a long time to perfect them, if you also rationalize that the people whom built these wonders feared the wrath of their gods, then you would assume that they would try to a good job.
my point was simply the technolgy to come up with such advance technolgy to even lay out the foundation of a pyramid, take advance trignometry and geometry, i'm a carpenter, and i must use a calculator, and blue prints. And other advance technolgy, u get what i'm saying. of course the had time, but where do u develop such advance technology for the weight, height and the math????
Well you have to remember that we have the benefit of 10 000 years of mathematical correction. they used their instruments that were calibrated to use their scales, it would be a laughable assumption to believe they used the metric system to make the pyramids, there units of measure were different just as there alphabet was. As time progressed, our understanding of the world and universe broadened. With that our math was corrected and perfected over and over. continued to next reply...
I understand that, but what i'm saying is, i'm a carpenter, so i know the mathematics, but the pyramids need no correction, What we question today is HOW they came up with these numbers? Pie and other such numbers? Think about this, the middle of your backyard, no tools really, but u want to get a perfect square equal on all sides, then build up a pyramid. try just the square with string and see how likely u will get it perfectly square on u own. I was just asking, not really tryin to debate
Oh, well all i can tell you is that my reasonable assumption is that you have enough people working on one thing, figuring out issues and what not can do almost anything. this is just one example
their math was as perfect as they could get it. they made their instruments as precise as they could, the way the practiced mathematics was as sound as they could make it. they knew how to use their instruments well and make very precise calculations. you don't need advanced technology to build things, you just need to know how to use it right. Again, what they had was the most advanced stuff they had, and they knew how to use it. they did a pretty darn good job.
Maybe you can explain how they knew the value of pi before it was "discovered" by the Greeks, and how they cut limestone blocks to a tolerance of .01 inch in a 75 inch cut.
to some one who has lots of experience in masonry making a precise cut like that wouldn't be hard to do, the reason why we don't see the one's that were off by too much is cause they threw them out, i'm sure they realized that a small problem early on only gets bigger, which also would go along with them fearing their god's wrath in which they demand perfection from themselves, as for the value of pi, I cannot answer that i do not know i'll have to research that one.
Really? They had band saws in the limestone quarries 4500 years ago that were 10 times as accurate as the ones we have now, and could cut 20-Ton blocks perfectly square? Amazing. You got pictures and video? Surely if they had such advanced engineering skills that they could saw-cut limestone and could perform trepanning at 500 times the best rate we can achieve now, they could make photo/video equipment.
If you look at the mathematical value of the Hebrew words in the verse where the dimensions of the bronze vessel are given in the Bible, you get a value for pi that is 15 times as precise as the 3.1614 value we customarily use. Anybody knows that the circumference is about 3 times the diameter, and that is good enough for daily parlance. The proportions used in the Tabernacle are EXACTLY congruent to the proportions used in the King's Chamber, indicating a knowledge of the Temple in Heaven.
The context of the passage is the amount of water contained in the bronze "sea". Since it is not possible to fill it to the top without overflowing onto the temple floor, the "3" figure is accurate enough for calculating the number of "baths" contained therein. For those demanding more precision, perhaps to the nearest millilitre, the math values of the words should titillate your brain.
well just do the math, physically all they needed was timber to roll the blocks on, say they were moving it at a rate of one km/h which is approximately 30cm/s to move a 200 tonne (short u.s.) or 181436.948 kg you would need roughly 7000 joules of energy to move it, now split that amount of work between say 20 to 30 people it starts lookin pretty easy so 7000/20 it comes roughly to 350 joules per person, not too hard really
Re: "physically all they needed was timber to roll the blocks on"
Really? How did you CALCULATE the rolling friction, given an unknown surface to roll on, an unknown pitch to climb, unknown species of timber, and the fact that you have no idea how the profile of these timbers was finished... For instance peeled, hand planed, or TURNED ON A LATHE. The builders had the capability to finely machine stone coffins INSIDE AND OUT, AND THE MACHINING MARKS ARE EVIDENT TODAY. How were the tools made?
oh that link you sent me didn't work i think the coding might have fudged up somehow when you pasted it into your comment (if the article you are wanting me to read is biased towards proving god's existence then i have no interest in reading it. God simply cannot be applied to mathematical concepts or to science, anything we can't figure out now will be said that oh god does that, then later find out its actual workings ie. how atoms stay together)
YouTube doesn't allow active links, and obviously I didn't paste it. If you can't figure out how to fix it, you have more problems than what I can fix for ya.
can you give me the link also to where you found out that their measurements were 10 times as accurate 500 times as fast? sorry but i seem to be having trouble locating a reliable source
The builders performed core drilling (trepanning) in granite at a rate 500 times faster than we can achieve today. This is calculated by measuring the depth that the spiral cut sinks in one revolution of the drill.
If the builders used ramps to transport the blocks and the ramps had a pitch of 1 in 10, they would have to be more than 4800 feet long to reach a height of 431 feet. Can you picture the scene if someone made one slip while pushing a 20 ton block up a 1 in 10 slope on rollers?
One of the first archaeologists to carry out a thorough survey of the Pyramid was Petrie, who was particularly struck by the granite coffer in the Kings Chamber. The precision with which the coffer had been carved out of a single block of extremely hard granite struck him as quite remarkable. Petrie estimated that diamond-tipped drills would need to have been applied with a pressure of two tons, in order to hollow out the granite box.
okay look, debating is fun and all but as soon as you have to rely on questioning each others' intellect or to turn to insulting one another, i loose interest, quite frankly i find that insulting each other over differing opinions is the same kind of petty arguments that have started most of these political and demographic issues we see today.
Your pseudo-intellectual "joules" argument didn't fly in my zone, so now you want to take your marbles and go home. Why not admit that you just can't handle the pitch?
Our first example of twentieth century engineering in the Giza pyramids is the six sided limestone casing blocks, which were polished and precision, carved to fit perfectly with each other and the core stones, with joints measuring less than one fiftieth of an inch... joined together with an extremely fine but strong cement
worshipped the Sun, Moon, and Stars, and held amazing astronomical knowledge, much of which has just recently been rediscovered. Both peoples built amazing stone pyramids, often containing boulders too heavy for modern cranes to lift, quarried from miles away. Both cultures embalmed/mummified their dead. Peruvian and Egyptian royalty both wrapped childrens heads in the practice of skull elongation (like trepanning) to attain higher consciousness.
Intelligence and information. A man holding a nickel in his hand is holding info. A planet holding the man is holding info.A solar system holding the planet is info. A galaxy holding the solar system is holding info. A universe holding the galaxy is holding info. A big bang holding the universe is holding info. The big bang is information. "Something" "held" this information. We can't identify it, but it is intelligible information none the less.
bheadh 2 months ago
who dislikes this?
shamiotzi253 8 months ago
@shamiotzi253 I belive people who doesn't belive in God
VlastemirPakFa 6 months ago
"... the knowlede of God covers the earth like a great sea ...." -- Isaiah
GospelHouseKat 10 months ago 2
"All this science, I don't understand, It's just my job 5 days a week. Rocket man, I'm a Rocket man." There is joy in knowing that evolution is a fraud and God is real, but even the atheists are aware of this, yet they have no joy and won't aknowledge God any way. It takes faith to believe in God. It takes a lot more faith to believe in evolution. "choose you this day whom ye will serve;... but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Thank You Lord God!
acedudeone 11 months ago 2
@acedudeone amen & well said. It's sad really, and i am convicted more to pray for them because I dont enough. You are so right in that it takes more than logic and knowing something.... there is no understanding without fear of the Lord. It really is hell on earth to think that we are just "random" chance spinning on a ball in this unfathomable universe, even by modern science standard. I can understand why there is no joy in that... to believe a lie that big must be miserable.
Matt24ishere 9 months ago
Then how can the atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 11 months ago
@1tabligh i was unaware that hydrogen, oxygen, protons and electrons were the source of our laws, thanks for clearing that up for me.
hazingfun 11 months ago
@hazingfun Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
1tabligh 11 months ago
God and Empirical Logic.
One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one's thought to the "logic" of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that "logic".
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
1tabligh 11 months ago
The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 11 months ago
Excellent post, thank you!
salmagnum 11 months ago
@commonsense101atcha i thought my comment would show my openness...
hes right on all physics, i have no doubt, what i am saying is that i find the leap of faith from the happy chance of situation were in to intelligent design one that has no empirical founding which i recognise. it is speculation. i never argued on the actual scientific knowledge he put forward. my other point on lack of context: take the number pi appearing in the bible, it is not useful info unless we know its application!
fishslappr 1 year ago
thank chuck ... very educational..
MiketheGalias 1 year ago
it seems to me that every bit of 'prediction' in the bible is in retrospect...
that when we test say F = ma, bible...people... go hunting for a bit of the bible to go 'ah i told you so!' im skeptical as to whether A) the bible actually contains this information and B) if it does that anyone would be able to use / interpret / understand it in the way that physics lets us! Nachmonides or w/e may have said blah dimensions blah, but this is useless data because it forgot the rest of the theory.
fishslappr 1 year ago
@fishslappr
Your comment shows your ignorance.
He's right on all counts.
Go to physics at UCLA (physics.ucla.edu)
commonsense101atcha 1 year ago
Chuck Missler = one of many scum of the universe
ahmedhaneef 1 year ago
If its been 18 years on earth and 2 years in a space craft. The clock may change but will you age at 9 years per year?
smoothpeople33 1 year ago
loved it I watched both videos. Very good worK. Do you have any insight on Nibiru commonly referred to in Revelations as Eris I believe?
theoriginalfatdonkey 1 year ago
Human science are not perfect; not the same with the science of almighty creator, he made every thing that exist perfectly,....
lodivar1 1 year ago
Human science have so many debates,it's not perfect, like the speed of light. some scientist say that it's constant, but for me it,s variable, when you use spectroscope, you can see that the light have deference color spectrum, each color spectrum have deference speed intensity, not include that the light pass thru the other elements it will change the color spectrum, so how could human science compute the distance of every stars in universe, human science are not perfect....
lodivar1 1 year ago
All the talk below about bats being fowl that creep on four legs makes me laugh.
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While it may be foul to eat a bat, a bat is not fowl, it is a flying mammal and not even related to fowl. One would think that the "all knowing" god would not have messed up his inerrant book with such an obvious oversight. It is the kind of nonsensical mistake that might cause future generations, who have educated themselves, to question the validity of such a book.
dochaynes123 1 year ago
i was liking this video, until i realized this is the peanut butter guy. lol
Kingofsicily27 1 year ago
Gnr & imagine, you're both getting pieces of your information correct and pieces wrong. Message me sometime if you're interested in this stuff as i study into this extensively. I would post it here but, it's too long to really describe in 500 characters haha.
AddictedDwarf 1 year ago
"Message me sometime if you're interested in this stuff as i study into this extensively."
Wrong asnswer, dwarf.
If you haev something of sunstance to say, say it.
If I have posted statements you believe to be erroneous
please bring your evidence and correct me.
It's cheap and easy to say
"I could refute this if I cared to."
Let's see the goods.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
The Bible says that humans are made of dirt.
And that snakes and donkeys talk.
And that insects have 4 legs.
And that bats are birds.
And that the earth is flat.
And that the sun revolves around the earth.
And that animals appeared AFTER man but BEFORE woman.
And THIS is the science of god??
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
it says snakes don't do that anymore. tell me where it says these other things
evolution says humans came from fish. when you look at the layers of rock in the earth there are hundreds of spots that don't match up with what evolutionists say.. read the book "the science of God" then tell me what you think
GNRslash28 1 year ago
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"it says snakes don't do that anymore."
I don't think so.
Chapter and verse, please?
Take a basic course in biology at your local community college
before attempting to attach evolution, okay?
It's quite evident that you haven't studied the topic.
I'll show you a few of these things in the Bible,
and you show me where it says snakes no longer talk,
okay?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
snake = satan
donkey = possessed
the other 2 - times were different back then.
in Genesis God took away the serpent's ability to walk and talk after eve ate the fruit
you realize not everything is literal. some things in the Bible have hidden meanings
the thought of macro evolution is insane. like I said read the book
GNRslash28 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
There are many insects having six legs, which walk on 4, not six. None of them walk on only 2.
Leviticus 11 lists flying FOWL which may not be eaten. Most are feathered fowl, but all are classified as "fowl". First, the ones that walk on two legs, and then the ones that "creep" on the ground, can LEAP and also fly. These creeping fowl have MORE THAN two legs. Certain locusts are listed as flying fowl that may be eaten. They walk on at least 4 LEGS, never two. They also leap. READ
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@mrmacmasonry
The Bible SPECIFICALLY says that the ones being referenced have LEGS above their FEET with which they LEAP. They are creeping, leaping, FLYING FOWL according to the biblical classification. The term "insects" is not in the text and you're using a straw man argument.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
"The term "insects" is not in the text"
Nor did I ever indicate otherwise.
Each of the species listed
(the locust..the beetle..and the grasshopper)
IS an insect species,
and all are species which use SIX (not four) legs for locomotion.
Note- the word "locomotion" is also not in the text,
but is a synonym for "goeth.")
No straw man here.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
Too bad you can't read. The locust LEAPS ON TWO LEGS, walks on four or six as it suits him, and eats with the other two. does a praying mantis use all six for locomotion? The issue is WHICH FLYING FOWL ARE SUITABLE FOR CONSUMPTION, not whether or not a locust is an insect. Your assertion that somebody decided to call them all "insects" proves nothing. God considers locusts as edible flying fowl, and bats as inedible flying fowl. I consider you to be foul.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@mrmacmasonry
Correction: Birds are feathered flying fowl with two legs. The locust is a flying creeping thing having FOUR LEGS, WHICH IS TO SAY HE DOES NOT HAVE ONLY TWO.
20All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind...
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
"Birds are feathered flying fowl with two legs."
Inventing your own definitions is a sign of delusional thinking.
There are no fowl that are not feathered.
"having FOUR LEGS, WHICH IS TO SAY HE DOES NOT HAVE ONLY TWO"
More delusional drivel.
"having four legs, which is to say having four legs.
Not one, not two, not three, and not six.
Insects have six legs
and they use all six for locomotion.
Education dissolves religion.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
"Birds are feathered flying fowl with two legs."
Inventing your own definitions is a sign of delusional thinking.
There are no fowl that are not feathered.
"having FOUR LEGS, WHICH IS TO SAY HE DOES NOT HAVE ONLY TWO"
More delusional drivel.
"having four legs, which is to say having four legs.
Not one, not two, not three, and not six.
Insects have six legs
and they use all six for locomotion.
Education dissolves religion.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69l
It is you who have reinvented a definition. Genesis 1:20 defines "fowl" as things which "fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven", created on Day 5. You have narrowed God's definition to include only birds within the genre. Birds are flying fowl that have two legs and can walk an two legs. Bats are flying fowl that lack feathers and CANNOT walk upright or two legs. On Day 6 God made creeping things, some of which can fly, but none walk upright on two legs. (cont'd.)
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@mrmacmasonry "Genesis 1:20 defines "fowl" "
No, that is not true.
It says that fowl DO fly, but that is not a definition.
You have decided what your conclusions are
even before you read the passages,
so I am not going to go round and round with you.
I quote the text;
I'll leave it to you "believers"
to change the meaning of it.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
You CAN go upon all four, like the bat, but hopefully that is not your customary mode of transport. You are not a creeping thing. Creeping things CANNOT walk on two legs, regardless of HOW MANY legs they have. A praying mantis is a creeping flying thing, and CANNOT walk on two legs. MANY CREEPING THINGS HAVE MORE THAN SIX LEGS, yet they are creeping things. SOME insects are edible, and are THE EXCEPTION AMONG CREEPING THINGS. God gave simple guidelines that anyone can understand.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@mrmacmasonry
Flying creeping things are in a different biblical grouping from flying fowl. Read it.
20All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
22Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
"Your assertion that somebody decided to call them all "insects" proves nothing. "
No, the word "insects" is not the issue.
The issue is that ALL of the species in this list ARE insects,
and ALL of these species have SIX legs and not four.
You claim the Bible refers to insects as "flying fowl."
Chapter and verse, please?
Your christ-induced insults
do not add weight to your delusional arguments.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
...the lapwing, and THE BAT.
20ALL FOWLS THAT CREEP, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
THAT CONCLUDES THE GUIDE FOR "DAY 5 ITEMS".
Verse 21 begins the guide for "Day 6 creatures":
"21Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, ...
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
The biblical issue is "which creeping things may be eaten, NOT the exact number of legs. Bats "go on all four", unlike birds, and are not on the "eat" list. Verse 20: "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you". Some other birds are unclean because they are scavengers. All are "flying fowl" with or without feathers, and whether or not they walk upright on TWO LEGS. The bat is a flying fowl that creeps, and is forbidden to be eaten.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
Verse 21 begins the set of instructions for FLYING CREEPING THINGS that were made on Day 6, a different day from the previous list of Day 5 creatures. So... the bat is a flying fowl that creeps, and the grasshopper is a CREEPING THING THAT FLIES... different list, different day. Grasshoppers and locusts, which creep, leap, and fly, are classified as "edible" WITH the edible flying fowl, but are "creeping things"... the ones for which God made an exception. Not "fowl", my bad.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
"Your assertion that somebody decided to call them all "insects" proves nothing. "
No, the word "insects" is not the issue.
The issue is that ALL of the species in this list ARE insects,
and ALL of these species have SIX legs and not four.
You claim the Bible refers to insects as "flying fowl."
Chapter and verse, please?
Your christ-induced insults
do not add weight to your delusional arguments.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
"Your assertion that somebody decided to call them all "insects" proves nothing. "
No, the word "insects" is not the issue.
The issue is that ALL of the species in this list ARE insects,
and ALL of these species have SIX legs and not four.
You claim the Bible refers to insects as "flying fowl."
Chapter and verse, please?
Your christ-induced insults
do not add weight to your delusional arguments.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
"Your assertion that somebody decided to call them all "insects" proves nothing. "
No, the word "insects" is not the issue.
The issue is that ALL of the species in this list ARE insects,
and ALL of these species have SIX legs and not four.
You claim the Bible refers to insects as "flying fowl."
Chapter and verse, please?
Your christ-induced insults
do not add weight to your delusional arguments.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
"Your assertion that somebody decided to call them all "insects" proves nothing. "
No, the word "insects" is not the issue.
The issue is that ALL of the species in this list ARE insects,
and ALL of these species have SIX legs and not four.
You claim the Bible refers to insects as "flying fowl."
Chapter and verse, please?
Your christ-induced insults
do not add weight to your delusional arguments.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
:There are many insects having six legs, which walk on 4, not six. None of them walk on only 2.:
The text specifically lists species
which use SIX legs for locomotion.
Refusal to see the truth does not negate the truth.
Education dissolves religion.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
The Bible makes monkeys of twits who worship scientific terminology while missing the point.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
A "creeping thing" goes on "all four" as compared to non-creeping things which walk UPRIGHT ON TWO LEGS.
My duallie is a "four-wheeler" not a "two-wheeler", and it has six "legs", not two, and goes on "all four". It doesn't walk upright like a bird. Got it yet?
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
No, dummy. The text lists insects which are THE EXCEPTIONS AMONG CREEPING THINGS, which MAY be eaten, while all other creeping things may not be eaten. The CATEGORY is CREEPING THINGS, not "INSECTS", and includes many creatures WHICH ARE NOT INSECTS. The same method applies to creatures which live in the water. Not all of them are finned, scaly fish. Maybe someday you'll learn to read and stop flapping your pie hole about your mis-characterizations of the biblical text.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
Leviticus 11 does NOT say that "bats are birds". It says they are flying fowl.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
" It says they are flying fowl."
That's right.
Fowl are birds.
If you cannot afford a dictionary
just Google "dictionary" for a wide variety of free ones.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
Feathered fowl are birds. I'll stick with God's system of classification. Flying fowl without feathers may be bats, dragons, pterodactyls or locusts. Stick around. You'll become familiar with some unique specimens in the Tribulation.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
FEATHERED fowl are birds. and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
... and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls...
...the lapwing, and the bat.
20All fowls that creep... shall be an abomination unto you.
21Yet these may ye eat... the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle... and the grasshopper...
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
FLAT EARTH IN THE BIBLE:
Isaiah 40:22 says the earth is a CIRCLE (Hebrew CHUWG).
Circles are flat, see any dictionary.
(DURE is Old Hebrew for "sphere", but Isaiah used CHUWG)
Daniel 4:10-11a tree that is as tall as the heavens
can be seen from everywhere on the earth
Matthew 4:8 has Jesus viewing the whole earth from a tall mountain.
Revelation 1:7 says every eye will see Jesus coming in the clouds.
Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation all require a flat earth.
Well, either flat or bowl-shaped.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
evolutionists claim that fossil records match up throughout the earth's layers but there are hundreds of places where the layers don't match up. explain the Cambrian explosion. as a creationist I say the great flood caused it
GNRslash28 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
God plainly made male and female on day 6. Genesis 2 is a detailed description of how He made the woman and planted the Garden, all on Day 6, not a different day. READ!
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
WRONG. Read verse 5. Genesis 2 is a summary of what God did in six days, with added details of HOW he made the female (Compare Genesis 1:27, 2:21-22) and details of his PLANTING OF A GARDEN in Eden for the man and woman, all done on day 6.
God had already created all of the plants and animals, but chapter 2 details how He made a special place for the man and woman in EDEN where He planted stuff that He had made. This was not the only place on earth with life. Got it?
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
According to Genesis chapter 2
woman was made AFTER the animals.
That could not be stated more clearly.
"Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. 21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
According to Genesis chapter 2
woman was made AFTER the animals.
That could not be stated more clearly.
"Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. 21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man."
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 The Bible says that God made Adam from the dust of the ground.
And that snakes and donkeys once talked.
And that insects have more than 4 legs, and walk on at least 4.
And that bats are fowls of the air, without feathers.
And that the earth is a sphere.
And that the sun appears to revolve around the earth.
And that God made animals before man and woman.
And that after God had finished making all things, He planted a garden in Eden.
You can't get anything straight, can you?
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
mrmacmasonry , it's nice for you that you have a good imagination.
As I am prepared to show the scriptural support for each of my assertions,
I will ask you, please, to show yours.
You've simply taken my assertions and changed them
to fit your denominational preferences.
Which is what most Xians do with the scriptures, too.
Let's see your evidence, please.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
ONCE. ONE SERPENT AND ONE DONKEY, ONE TIME. if you can't find it, you need more help than I can give you.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
"ONE SERPENT AND ONE DONKEY, ONE TIME. "
Yes, we all know that the Bible SAYS this.
My point is that animals do NOT talk.
As the bible makes this absurd claim
it is up to those who insist that it is true
to prove it.
Bring some evidence.
Or admit that it's just a fairy tale.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
I think you're a fairy tail.
Re: "My point is that animals do NOT talk."
All animals communicate. So what if a couple of them spoke audibly in a way that a man could understand one time in the past? Are you claiming that it didn't happen because I haven't showed you a video? What proof have I that you exist? If you don't understand them, that's your problem. Nobody is claiming that they speak English NOW. CAN'T YOU READ?
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
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"So what if a couple of them spoke audibly in a way that a man could understand one time in the past? Are you claiming that it didn't happen because I haven't showed you a video?"
I'm asking YOU to prove that it DID happen.
That;s how it works.
If I claim that hobbits really exist in New Zealand
it would be up to me to bring evidence to prove that
or to admit that it is not true.
You claim that animals spoke human language fluently.
I challenge you to prove it.
Over to you.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
"What proof have I that you exist?"
If I cared to prove my existence I could provide
birth records, medical records, tax records, military records,
my passport, bills, photographs, videos,
and finally we could meet face to face.
You claim that animals used to talk.
Please show me some evidence
or admit that you cannot.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
Yeah, I have a printer too... and Photoshop. And I've met people who pretend to be somebody they're not. I don't need evidence for the fact that the Serpent (not "snake") who is the Devil and Satan, SPOKE to the Woman. He spoke to Jesus Christ too. You heed the Serpent's advice and methods a lot. "Yea, hath God said?"
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
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"I don't need evidence for the fact that the Serpent ...SPOKE to the Woman."
Of course not.
Evidence is anathema to delusion.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
I have a written record that God has preserved for many millennia, but it is highly unlikely that there will be any written record of ANYTHING you ever said or did when 5500 A.D. rolls around. Some things are more important than what YOU think is important.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
I don't have any denominational preferences. I have the Word of God. I am a Christian. You are an Xtian... "X" as in dead in trespasses and sins.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
"The Bible says ...that snakes and donkeys once talked."
Could you provide some EVIDENCE for talking beasts?
What with the flat earth and all
I'm not prepared to accept the unsupported testimony of scripture.
My grandpa once had a pet turtle
that played Edelweiss on the trombone,
but never with witnesses present.
It really frustrated Pops that no one believed him.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
I already posted the scriptural support for each of these assertions.
Your decision to dismiss those scriptures
and replace them with your own imagination
is basically an admission on your part
that you cannot refute my assertions.
Thanks!
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
I have pointed out your inability to notice that different words don't mean the same thing. If you want to make ignorant straw man arguments, you're fooling no one but yourself. I have a book (KJB) that has never been proven wrong. You have nothing but your imagination and your inability to read Scripture in context.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
"(KJB) that has never been proven wrong."
Of course it can never be proven wrong
to anyone who refuses to examine the evidence.
That is a word called "delusion."
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69
Yup... and you're deluded with your refusal to see the evidence of a global cataclysm that buried the antediluvian world under gravel and mud in less than a year. You refuse to examine the evidence.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
there is also no geological evidence to support that this great flood occured and it happened to flood all of north america and asia in order to drown out the mammoths
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
The truth is, fossil graveyards exist in every major country, especially the Americas. In these fossil graveyards vast numbers of creatures are violently mixed together. In America and China... hundreds of dinosaurs are mixed and buried together.
In Sicily, four thousand feet above sea level on Mount Etna, are two caves crammed with the bones of thousands of hippopotami in each. On the island of Malta there are lions, tigers, mammoths, birds, beavers, hippopotamus and foxes all mixed together.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
pfft the mind is capable of making connects from one thing to another if it sets out to do that, its a characteristic we evolved to succeed more so then our predecessors (noticing when the mammoths usually came into the valley, the passing seaons etc.) if you believe in evolution lol
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
Sorry to bust your bubble, but the ice age came after the great civilizations and after the Great Flood, and only lasted about 100 years. The great herds of mammoths were not seen after the Flood... they were buried and fossilized by it.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
By "great civilizations", I mean the antediluvian civilizations, which were superior in culture to anything achieved after the Great Flood.
For example... the Roman walls that were built upon the massive ancient foundation at Baalbeck are inferior in material and workmanship to the underlying foundation walls, and don't approach the grand scale of what must have been there before the Great Flood. There is a good reason why the original builders used such massive stones. Their plan failed.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Google:
Chapter 19 EFFECTS OF THE FLOOD Part 1
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Google:
The Boneyards ...PAGE 3
Fossilisation and Fossil Graveyards
by James Wallace Godschall Johnson
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Google:
Evolution Encyclopedia Vol. 2
Chapter 19 EFFECTS OF THE FLOOD
1 - WATER POWER
Water is one of the most powerful agencies in the world. It can move, slash, and rip out massive quantities of dirt and rock.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Google this:
Because the 'sponge' is sedimentary [fossil-bearing] rock, that means it was formed, or I should say solidified, under water. The only event that could produce the great depth of sediments is a world-wide flood.
For me, the very existence of 50 million or more cubic miles [80 million km] of sedimentary rock is proof. But now I also believe the subsidence of many areas due to removal of ground water is further proof that Noah's Flood was a historical event. " —Everett H. Peterson
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Google:
The King's Chamber is 10.46 meters east to west by 5.23 meters north to south by 5.81 meters high (a series of measurements that precisely expresses the mathematical proportion known as the Golden Mean, or Phi).
It is built of enormous blocks of solid red granite (weighing as much as 50 tons) that were transported by a still-unknown means from the quarries of Aswan 600 miles to the south. Within the chamber, in the western end, sits a large, lidless coffer (7.5 feet by 3.25 feet,
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Next question: where is all of the material used for the construction of the "ramp"?
Quote:
" But if this enormous ramp were built, it would then require a force of more than 300,000 laborers as much as eight years to dismantle. Where would all the ramp material have been placed, since it is not to be found anywhere near the Great Pyramid? And what of maneuvering the precisely carved blocks into place without damaging the corners?"
Google:
The Great Pyramid, Egypt
by Martin Gray
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
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I love how some Christians will completely disregard some science, then pick and choose, out of context, science that "seems" to support their theories.
grubsmack 2 years ago
In the first and second pyramids at Giza there are granite portcullises in the lower passages which still baffle experts today. Firstly their complex designs suggest a use much more advanced than deterring robbers (the Egyptologist explanation). It would take about 50 men to lift the portcullis slabs into place, yet the narrow corridors theyre positioned into could have only been occupied by a few men at a time.
The power and technology came through the angels that sinned.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
The pyramids also encode high mathematics "unknown" to the "simple ancient Egyptians". To begin with the pyramids are located precisely on the 30th degree latitude and aligned to within 3 arc minutes of true north.
...it can be assumed that they could very accurately measure both latitude and longitude. The ratio of the great pyramids height to its base perimeter is exactly Pi (3.14). The Kings Chamber and other rooms are perfect golden rectangles expressing the mystical number Phi 1.618.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
The concept of longitude didn't exist until the British invented it and set the prime meridian in Greenwich.
Zantorc 1 year ago
What does that have to do with the fact that the pyramid is positioned on the 30th parallel LATITUDE? DO YOU PROPOSE THAT IT WAS PURELY ACCIDENTAL?
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
(At least you're given up on longitude - that was a very silly remark you made).
As you pointed out it is not exactly on the 30th parallel. They were out by 1.5 Km, in other words if it was in the center of Cairo it would be almost as accurately positioned. However as that is the only convenient site for pyramid building which is both near enough to Cairo and the stone quarry you'll have to better if you want to impress me.
Zantorc 1 year ago
No, I haven't "given up on longitude". I merely pointed out that using Greenwich as the reference for longitude has NOTHING TO DO WITH LATITUDE. What if the polar axis has shifted (which it has) and the pyramid was EXACTLY on the 30th parallel when it was built? The shafts aligned to the positions of the stars WHEN IT WAS BUILT. Ever heard of precession?
Google:
webDOTmacDOTcom/jubileemasonry /iWeb/PYRAMIDS_320X240.mp4
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
You said "they could very accurately measure both latitude and longitude". I pointed out the absurdity of accurately measuring longitude. I've yet to see any evidence to support your claim.
Do you understand what precession is? It makes not the slightest difference to the 30th parallel. You're clutching at straws. As for star alignment, what is impressive about that? I could easily put 2 sticks in the ground an line it up with some star, the Egyptians did it with a shaft - so what?
Zantorc 1 year ago
Let me know when you have seen the video and are able to comment intelligently. Longitude has to do with precise alignment at EXACTLY NOON on the equinox.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Let me know when you have an example of the accurate measurement of longitude. You seem to be standing by your statement that they could accurately measure it, but you have repeatedly failed to produce the evidence.
Zantorc 1 year ago
I have two words for you. Mercatur and Riis. Their maps were drawn from maps that were thousands of years older, and which had the correct longitude markings. They had the coastline of Antarctica drawn ice-free. The designation of Greenwich as the prime meridian WAS NOT "DECIDED" BY THE BRITISH. It goes back to before the civilization of Egypt. Wake up and smell the coffee.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
there was no civilization before or during any of the previous ice ages. we were too busy competing with other humanoids like the neanderthals. 20 000 years after the last one disappeared the first human settlements were formed. your claim about the mammoths is utterly idiotic, if they all died in this flood then carbon dating would show they all died at the same time, they slowly petered out into extinction from hunting and climate change.
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
Your fairy tale doesn't fly.
Google: In various levels of the muck, stone artifacts were found 'frozen in situ at great depths and in apparent association' with the Ice Age fauna, which implies that 'men were contemporary with extinct animals in Alaska.'
Worked flints, characteristically shaped, called Yuma points, were repeatedly found in the Alaskan muck, one hundred and more feet below the surface. One such spear point was found there 'between a lion's jaw and a mammoth's tusk.'
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
yes humans had simple tools but they did not have agriculturally based settlements that started producing culture up untill about 10 000 years ago the first settlement was founded in present day iraq
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
Right... they were too dumb to know how to plant a seed until 10000 years ago, but they could move 750-ton blocks of stone after cutting them from the quarry. Did the "neanderthals" help? Too funny for words.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Modern geology cannot explain fossil graveyards and many geologists admit to this. These graveyards are dramatic evidence that an era of the world ended with enormous violence.
It has been admitted that fossilisation on such a calamitous worldwide scale could only have occurred through the action of immense flood waters so enormous as to defy explanation. Sedimentary rock is formed by the action of water passing over strata, and fossils are only found in sedimentary rock. When? 2370 B.C.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Google:
The pinnacle of the great fossil graveyards must be that of the Arctic and Siberia. It is on a scale so awesome and stupendous that they utterly defy description. Buried in the frozen tundra are countless mammoths, elephants, horses, lions, foxes, camels and other species. For mammoths alone, estimates have run as high as five million in these titanic graveyards. Some of these fossils were so well preserved that their flesh was used to feed husky dogs.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Adjusting for the effects of decreasing magnetic field strength on radiocarbon accumulation, the true date would be about 5700-6000 years, and yes, civilization spread outward from Iraq.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Similar weapons were used only a few generations ago by Indians of the Athapascan tribe, who camped in the upper Tanana Valley. It has also been suggested that even modern Eskimo points are remarkably Yuma-like, all of which indicates that the multitudes of torn animals and splintered forests date from a time not many thousands of years ago.
The polar ice caps have been recently dated to less than 6000 years old. Taking decreasing magnetic field strength into account, the true age would be 4400
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Google:
In 1823, William Buckland found...
In a cave in Kirkdale in Yorkshire, eighty feet above the valley, under a floor covering of stalagmites,... teeth and bones of elephants, rhinoceroses, hippopotami, horses, deer, tigers (teeth of which were larger than those of the largest lion or Bengal tiger), bears, wolves, hyenas, foxes, hares, rabbits, as well as bones of ravens, pigeons, larks, snipe and ducks.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
In this sandy matrix bones were found at every depth from a few feet to a hundred feet or more. From the large...bones of the elephant, the rhinoceros, the megatherium, the elk, the buffalo, the stag... to the remains of the now living bear, tiger, wolf, hyena, rabbit, and finally the more minute remains
In some places so complete was the confusion . . . that the bones of many different elephants were brought into contact, and on some of them even oyster shells were matted"
Slow starvation? Sure
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Hunting? Right. The dozers peeled up layer after layer of rotting corpses in the semi-frozen muck, mingled with twisted masses of trees, vegetation, gravel and mud as if jumbled in a giant cement mixer.
The catastrophe was likely ubiquitous, for these animals-the small twin-horned rhinoceros, clawed horse, giant swine, and gazelle camel-did not survive, but became extinct. The evidence bespeaks a violent death at the hands of the elements, not slow extinction in a process of evolution: = FLOOD
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
The poles have been covered with ice for 4300-6000 years. Who drew the maps that Riis copied, showing the coast of Antarctica ICE-FREE?
Carbon dating is seriously flawed. It only works if you know how old the sample is, and throw out all of the false readings.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@mrmacmasonry
I have a suggestion for you too, consult your physician. The only other occasion when I have seen someone generate this amount of nonsense in so short a time, they were suffering from a bipolar disorder.
BTW The prime meridian was established in 1851 by George Airy and adopted by all major maritime countries in 1884 (the ancient Egyptians played no part in the proceedings).
Zantorc 1 year ago
I have a suggestion for you too... go take your lithium.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
i give up, your right, everything about the bible is true, god is real he does everything, he made a flood through his magical powers and covered every continent with an impossible amount of water that just eventually disappeared, the earth is the center of the universe, we are the only life in the universe the earth and heaven was created 10 000 years ago. god gave us all the information to make buildings those buildings and helped us carve out the blocks with magical amulets.
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
Don't dis dem magical amulets Bub. You'll need one to cover your ignorance. Explain to we how an 800 ton stone can be set upon a wall with NO SPACE BETWEEN IT AND ITS BASE, and no evidence of provision for attachment of any lifting devices. As a stone mason with 35 years of experience, I understand the logistics of such a feat. Being able to lift it and place it on a support structure is only a fraction of the problem. You then have to remove the supports that it is resting on, without slings.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
my my, you done a great job converting me to whatever religion you have.
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
...the builders knew the precise shape and size of the earth and had charted such astronomical events as the precession of the equinoxes and the lunar standstill dates. The minute discrepancies of the lengths of the base of the pyramid (several inches over the 230 meter length of its base) reveal not an error on the part of the builders but an ingenious means of incorporating into the pyramid the "discrepancies" of the earth itself, in this case the flattening of the earth's globe at the poles.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
The problem with this sort of pseudo-science are that all the pyramids are out, both earlier and later ones and by different amounts. There are so many significant numbers which can be constructed from astronomical data that it is almost impossible not to be close one of them.
Zantorc 1 year ago
The ratio between successive numbers in the Fibonacci sequence increasingly approach Phi as you go on from 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34 the resulting graph is known as the fractal golden spiral and looks like a conch shell. Establishment Egyptologists say these mathematical considerations are all coincidence maintaining that ancient Egyptians didnt possess these concepts.
But the reality is, the ancient Egyptians did possess higher math and they purposely encoded it into their construction.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Some routine mathematical games were built into the dimensions of the sarcophagus. For example, it had an internal volume of 1166.4 liters and an external volume of exactly twice that, 2332.8 liters. Such a precise coincidence could not have been arrived at accidentally: the walls of the coffer had been cut to machine-age tolerances by craftsmen of enormous skill and experience. Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of the Gods
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
In Moby Dick you can find all sort of references to 911. 'World' 'trade' 'center', 'Osama', the talaban leader 'Omar', Osama's military cheif 'Atef', chief hijacker 'Atta', to name but a few. So are you going to worship Herman Melville, or accept biblical code references are junk science?
Zantorc 2 years ago
There are over 2.5 million stones, so if you built 24 hours a day for 100 years that means quarrying, trimming, polishing and fitting one (average 3.5 ton) stone into place every 8.5 minutes. They stacked stones so heavy, many of which cannot be lifted into place with the technology and machinery available today.
They quarried these stones from miles away and fitted them together so seamlessly that you cant fit a razor blade between them.
I have 35 years of experience as a stone mason.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
are you under a lot of stress? lol cause honestly why are you still trying to debate this? how much do you think i care at this point? your from some unkown part of this planet as i am to you. our opinions literally amount to nothing to each other. You can believe in your God, i'll rely on my logic and reason i know that there is no way in my power to convince someone who's ingrained pattern of thought has to do with god and same to you, i'm locked within reason. you arn't going to change that.
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
You obviously can't handle reason, and prefer to close your eyes and stumble blindly on with your delusions, when the evidence is right in front of your face. You have been "educated" beyond your intelligence. What a pity.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
so as i have said before, have a good one, i'm sure there are greater things to spend your time with then to debate things like these with a 19 year old whome you've never met and never will, your runnin a company eh? why not concentrate on that? anyways, have a good day.
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
Actually I make it 21 mins. Not that its important, only the exterior and chamber had quality prepared stone as we now know the rest was filled with little more than rubble. (That's obvious when you think about it; why spend money on the interior stone blocks.)
Zantorc 1 year ago
Re: "Not that its important, only the exterior and chamber had quality prepared stone as we now know the rest was filled with little more than rubble."
Not exactly. You see, the exterior stones were precisely fitted to the interior stones, with the same tolerances, and the thing was WATERPROOF! Now, you may have no experience with masonry, but I do, and I am in awe of their skills!
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
@mrmacmasonry I would imagine the exterior stones were fitted together then the rubble was packed in. There is about 0.5 mm gap between the exterior stones on the better pyramids. The early pyramids were not so good, but after a thousand years of practice you would expect to see something impressive. I would be surprised it wasn't waterproof - not that it rains much.
Zantorc 1 year ago
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Re: "The early pyramids were not so good, but after a thousand years of practice you would expect to see something impressive."
All 3 were built in a 100 year span, and the earliest is the best. Like human civilization, the technology and workmanship began at the pinnacle and then deteriorated. It didn't improve over time.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Great vid, I like the IQ test
Constant2Virtue 2 years ago
k sorry but i cannot believe this. this is just dumb. using scientific knowledge and bending the wording and grammar so to make god seem more possible. sorry i just can't believe this
CHUBBLE117 2 years ago
The reason why you can't see it is because you don't understand. Why don't you go and look up what is being discussed and then make a educated comment.
Gluteusmaximus2nd 2 years ago
well simply said when a man believes something seeks to test his hypothesis, he will see the results he wants to see when its not a definite yes or no. for example the hemoglobin, he said that it was rediculous that this molecule should ever exist, well fuck of course it would if it was just the stuff that makes it was just sittin around. its here today cause primitive life as it got more complex and complicated began to make more complex and complicated compounds. continuing to next reply...
CHUBBLE117 2 years ago
and as it evolved the complexity grew. its in us today cause there was a huge foundation of evolution and growth that happened before us. its manufactured in us today because the d.n.a. has different "blueprints" if u will for different enzimes and proteins that are specifically meant to combine and make certain molecules like hemoglobin. the blue prints have been made cause there was 2-3 billion years of evolution to make our d.n.a.
CHUBBLE117 2 years ago
i honestly doubt that you will believe me cause i'm so young and how could i possibly know this or that your just another guy that believes in a god and doesn't leave space for the possibility that there might not be. if you would like me to disprove anymore of this man's hypothesis feel free to ask. except the bible portions cause you know there isn't science in it. People that far back CANNOT understand the complexities of the universe were just starting to understand today
CHUBBLE117 2 years ago
Explain the fact that science today still can not understand the complexity of the ancient pyramids and the even know for a fact that they had what we would call today is a battery of some sort back then in the pyramids days, that has advance carpentry layout skills for height, depth width and lenght that Carpenters and masons today still can not build with such plum and straight ness without laser and computer structural egineering. So how did they do that back then????
stevelovesgod 2 years ago
eugh, i wrote this 4 months ago, why did u comment? lol. They were precise with their measurements cause they had a long time to perfect them, if you also rationalize that the people whom built these wonders feared the wrath of their gods, then you would assume that they would try to a good job.
CHUBBLE117 2 years ago
my point was simply the technolgy to come up with such advance technolgy to even lay out the foundation of a pyramid, take advance trignometry and geometry, i'm a carpenter, and i must use a calculator, and blue prints. And other advance technolgy, u get what i'm saying. of course the had time, but where do u develop such advance technology for the weight, height and the math????
stevelovesgod 2 years ago
Well you have to remember that we have the benefit of 10 000 years of mathematical correction. they used their instruments that were calibrated to use their scales, it would be a laughable assumption to believe they used the metric system to make the pyramids, there units of measure were different just as there alphabet was. As time progressed, our understanding of the world and universe broadened. With that our math was corrected and perfected over and over. continued to next reply...
CHUBBLE117 2 years ago
I understand that, but what i'm saying is, i'm a carpenter, so i know the mathematics, but the pyramids need no correction, What we question today is HOW they came up with these numbers? Pie and other such numbers? Think about this, the middle of your backyard, no tools really, but u want to get a perfect square equal on all sides, then build up a pyramid. try just the square with string and see how likely u will get it perfectly square on u own. I was just asking, not really tryin to debate
stevelovesgod 2 years ago
Oh, well all i can tell you is that my reasonable assumption is that you have enough people working on one thing, figuring out issues and what not can do almost anything. this is just one example
CHUBBLE117 2 years ago
their math was as perfect as they could get it. they made their instruments as precise as they could, the way the practiced mathematics was as sound as they could make it. they knew how to use their instruments well and make very precise calculations. you don't need advanced technology to build things, you just need to know how to use it right. Again, what they had was the most advanced stuff they had, and they knew how to use it. they did a pretty darn good job.
CHUBBLE117 2 years ago
Maybe you can explain how they knew the value of pi before it was "discovered" by the Greeks, and how they cut limestone blocks to a tolerance of .01 inch in a 75 inch cut.
mrmacmasonry 2 years ago
to some one who has lots of experience in masonry making a precise cut like that wouldn't be hard to do, the reason why we don't see the one's that were off by too much is cause they threw them out, i'm sure they realized that a small problem early on only gets bigger, which also would go along with them fearing their god's wrath in which they demand perfection from themselves, as for the value of pi, I cannot answer that i do not know i'll have to research that one.
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
Really? They had band saws in the limestone quarries 4500 years ago that were 10 times as accurate as the ones we have now, and could cut 20-Ton blocks perfectly square? Amazing. You got pictures and video? Surely if they had such advanced engineering skills that they could saw-cut limestone and could perform trepanning at 500 times the best rate we can achieve now, they could make photo/video equipment.
I've been a stone mason for 35 years.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
The issue here is not WHETHER they had the knowledge, but WHERE THEY GOT IT. The Bible has the answer.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
The bible has 3 for the value of pi, so it obviously didn't come from there.
Zantorc 1 year ago
If you look at the mathematical value of the Hebrew words in the verse where the dimensions of the bronze vessel are given in the Bible, you get a value for pi that is 15 times as precise as the 3.1614 value we customarily use. Anybody knows that the circumference is about 3 times the diameter, and that is good enough for daily parlance. The proportions used in the Tabernacle are EXACTLY congruent to the proportions used in the King's Chamber, indicating a knowledge of the Temple in Heaven.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
The context of the passage is the amount of water contained in the bronze "sea". Since it is not possible to fill it to the top without overflowing onto the temple floor, the "3" figure is accurate enough for calculating the number of "baths" contained therein. For those demanding more precision, perhaps to the nearest millilitre, the math values of the words should titillate your brain.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
After you answer that, maybe you can tell me how they cut and transported the 200-ton blocks for the temples nearby.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
well just do the math, physically all they needed was timber to roll the blocks on, say they were moving it at a rate of one km/h which is approximately 30cm/s to move a 200 tonne (short u.s.) or 181436.948 kg you would need roughly 7000 joules of energy to move it, now split that amount of work between say 20 to 30 people it starts lookin pretty easy so 7000/20 it comes roughly to 350 joules per person, not too hard really
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
Re: "physically all they needed was timber to roll the blocks on"
Really? How did you CALCULATE the rolling friction, given an unknown surface to roll on, an unknown pitch to climb, unknown species of timber, and the fact that you have no idea how the profile of these timbers was finished... For instance peeled, hand planed, or TURNED ON A LATHE. The builders had the capability to finely machine stone coffins INSIDE AND OUT, AND THE MACHINING MARKS ARE EVIDENT TODAY. How were the tools made?
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
oh that link you sent me didn't work i think the coding might have fudged up somehow when you pasted it into your comment (if the article you are wanting me to read is biased towards proving god's existence then i have no interest in reading it. God simply cannot be applied to mathematical concepts or to science, anything we can't figure out now will be said that oh god does that, then later find out its actual workings ie. how atoms stay together)
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
YouTube doesn't allow active links, and obviously I didn't paste it. If you can't figure out how to fix it, you have more problems than what I can fix for ya.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
can you give me the link also to where you found out that their measurements were 10 times as accurate 500 times as fast? sorry but i seem to be having trouble locating a reliable source
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
The builders performed core drilling (trepanning) in granite at a rate 500 times faster than we can achieve today. This is calculated by measuring the depth that the spiral cut sinks in one revolution of the drill.
If the builders used ramps to transport the blocks and the ramps had a pitch of 1 in 10, they would have to be more than 4800 feet long to reach a height of 431 feet. Can you picture the scene if someone made one slip while pushing a 20 ton block up a 1 in 10 slope on rollers?
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
One of the first archaeologists to carry out a thorough survey of the Pyramid was Petrie, who was particularly struck by the granite coffer in the Kings Chamber. The precision with which the coffer had been carved out of a single block of extremely hard granite struck him as quite remarkable. Petrie estimated that diamond-tipped drills would need to have been applied with a pressure of two tons, in order to hollow out the granite box.
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
okay look, debating is fun and all but as soon as you have to rely on questioning each others' intellect or to turn to insulting one another, i loose interest, quite frankly i find that insulting each other over differing opinions is the same kind of petty arguments that have started most of these political and demographic issues we see today.
CHUBBLE117 1 year ago
Your pseudo-intellectual "joules" argument didn't fly in my zone, so now you want to take your marbles and go home. Why not admit that you just can't handle the pitch?
Our first example of twentieth century engineering in the Giza pyramids is the six sided limestone casing blocks, which were polished and precision, carved to fit perfectly with each other and the core stones, with joints measuring less than one fiftieth of an inch... joined together with an extremely fine but strong cement
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago
Google:
worshipped the Sun, Moon, and Stars, and held amazing astronomical knowledge, much of which has just recently been rediscovered. Both peoples built amazing stone pyramids, often containing boulders too heavy for modern cranes to lift, quarried from miles away. Both cultures embalmed/mummified their dead. Peruvian and Egyptian royalty both wrapped childrens heads in the practice of skull elongation (like trepanning) to attain higher consciousness.
Could it be that the Bible is true?
mrmacmasonry 1 year ago