@ChristelijkOrthodox Lahh it, why would u even say that, it was authenticated by the deep sea scrolls and authenticated by islam, so just take ur shahadah and you should know dat islam is the right religion
in real gospel of barnabas jesus said i m messiah of just israel but mohammed will be messiah of all world. it is miracle of jesus because he said that before 75 years of islam.
@AegeanKing i agree....nothing but selected pics and typed words(could be done for any subject by anyone)....useless for determining anything about truth.
The Gospel of Barnabas did not exist at the time of Constantine. It was left out of the NT since it didn't exist until the 1500's. Your number 2 and 3 are correct.
You are wrong when you said 12 students of Christ wrote a Gospel.
Story of Egyptian trinity Rah represent Sun worship of a father a son and a mother, born 12/25, on the aligned stars (3 Kings), crucified and resurrected after 3 days.
He is blind in 1 eye, sign of the Antichrist in Islam, this is why the $ bill NWO sign has 1 eye above the pyramid of Egypt. Satan sermons on sunrise+set.
X-tians pray on Sun-day, pagan+satanic link of Paul (Hunter of Christ) who saw the devil in the forest are clear. Jesus peace be upon him is Muslim innocent of the trinity.
@hbk711x Pagan influnces are also in Islam. Kaaba, blackstone and Allah the supreme god or moon. The quran says Jesus is the messiah, so follow him over the false prophet. There is nothing satanic about being blind in one eye. The hadith's don't say anything about the dollar bill. There will be no pink hunchback, cyclopes or blind with kafir on his head. The Mahdi, false prophet and the beast Allah and their minions marked headbands and black flags will all be thrown into the fire.
No Islam is teh religion of Propeht Adam peace be upon him, he was teh first man to be Muslim, and Proppeht Muhamamd peace adn belssings eb upon im was teh final one, Propeht Jesus peace eb upon him said I am a Muslim and parays like one MAth 26:39, Islam is purified from paganism which leads to the fire. Christains don't even have holy bok preserved, its twisted every genereation and everyone knows this. Mahdi and Jesus peace be upon them will be Muslim brothers.
@hbk711x Go with the history and archeology. No Muslims and Mosques until the Muhammad created Islam in the 7th Century. Adam was niether a prophet nor a Muslim. He was the first man and the second sinner. Muhammad and the Mahdi are about as anti-christ as you can get because of thier actions plus Muhammad denies The Father & The Son. The real Jesus will be sending them to the lake of fire with Allah the beast. Niether the Qu'ran nor Bible is 100% flawless.
@TheDajjal1 dont be an idiot no one worship kaaba , black stone or moon etc. Their are clear verses that donot worship sun of MOON. nothing satanic about one eye? why the prophecy is their about one eye? mahdi was never considered as a prophet. get some info before talking shit.
@flexpape Eventhough Muhammad is supposed to be the last and greatest prophet. The Mahdi is more than the descendant of Muhammad , but like him=Muslim Prophet. I am not making anything up. Read the history, Qu'ran, Hadiths & The Holy Bible. There will be no carnival freak as the endtimes anti-christ nor is there enough Jews from a certain city in Iran to follow him. You really don't need to be rude.
@TheDajjal1 " mahdi false prophet beast allah " what was that lol. In hadith there is a mention of descendant whose name is Mahdi but he is NOT a prophet. If you read Quran and Hadith it is clearly written that Jesus will be the sign of Hour. Jews believe that a messiah will came to them and that is why they are preparing for holy land. Go ask any rabbi... we muslims know that this messiah will be anti christ however true messiah Jesus pbuh will kill the false one.
@flexpape The real Jesus is the messiah. He healed & other miracles, sacraficial lamb and rose from the grave. He died so we could be saved. He is not a Muslim Prophet. He is the Son of Man and God. The Mahdi is supposed be more than a descendant of Muhammad, but will be like Muhammad=Muslim Prophet both leaders of Islamic nation, eventhough Muhammad claimed to be the last and greatest prophet. The end times anti-christ is no freak. He will be handsome and charismatic leader of nations.
@TheDajjal1 --The real Jesus is the messiah. He healed & other miracles, sacraficial lamb and rose from the grave-- Correct. --He died so we could be saved. He is not a Muslim Prophet. He is the Son of Man and God.-- ok?? He died, God died, but wait if he is son of man AND God what man again? So he is demigod? Why would a demigod have to die for us? he could just make all of us Good, kill the satan, end of game? Mahdi will be a caliph not a prophet. Mind it
@TheDajjal1 There is no where written in bible that Jesus is son of God if so then David, Abraham, Israel, Issac, Adam all are sons of God according to bible. They are actually begotten sons ( God forgive me for saying this) according to bible. Adam had no father and mother and he was son of God according to bible . Then he is bigger demigod than Jesus pbuh. Dude its just like greek and hindu system u are choosing. We are MONO , we believe in ONE GOD. not in some demigods. All other are humans.
@flexpape You are so wrong. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. Who ever believes in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting life. David, Abraham, Israel, Issac & Adam were believers, but were not prophets. Just because Muhammad claimed Christians worshipped 3 Gods don't mean it's true.
@hbk711x Jesus is not a Muslim. Muhammad is the founder of Islam and is the only self proclaimed prophet of submission. The Kabba was a shrine of many idols worshipped by the polytheist. The dollar bill has nothing to do with the anti-christ or your carny freak the dajjal. Jesus rose from the grave on Sunday. That is why most Christians worship on that day, and currently the Lord don't care what day worship anyways. Saul was temporarly blinded by the Lord for persicution until he became Paul.
According to Islamic texts, the reason the whole of Christendom screams he is dead is because Allah deceived them and made it appear he had died on the cross. So if anybody is to blame for launching the biggest religion in the world, which Islam claims is a lie and who's followers will go to hell, it is Allah himself.
The pervert prophet loved to brag about the lying skills of his God in misleading people into sinning so they could be eternally punished: "For he is the best of deceivers"
@DrXoz passages conflict with the teachings of the Quran.the account of the Nativity, where Mary is said to have given birth to Jesus without pain.or as in Jesus's ministry, where he permits the drinking of wine and enjoins monogamy.And that hell will only be for the committers of the seven death sins (Barnabas: 4-44/135), anyone who refuses to be circumcised will not enter paradise (Barnabas 17/23), that God has a soul (Barnabas 6/82), that there are 9 heavens (Barnabas 3/105).
The Pervert Prophet on Fudge Packing Young Boys (cont.)
2415. * If a person marries the mother or sister of a boy, and commits sodomy with the boy after the marriage, as a precaution, they will become haraam for him.
@drrobertoboogie97 There is a lot of "God ordained violence" in the Old Testament, which is why I don't push Xtianity on anyone. But most of that violence is in the form of historic stories, not commandments from God for all time such as the case in Islam as ordered in the Quran & Haddiths. I know of no OT verses that order the stoning of a child who is the victim of sodomy rape from a grown man, or the mother/sister of that child victim. Perhaps you can give us the source of your claim.
@drrobertoboogie97 The diff is that Jews have never taken God's orders in the OT as instructions to fight continually until the world converts to or accepts Judism as supreme. Compare this to Islam where Moh told Muslims, to "fight until ALL is for Allah, or until they pay the Jizrah, and feel themselves subdued". The OT verses were historic stories about a specific time & place, and are so interpreted by Jews. In Islam, Moh clearly meant forever, and is so interpreted by Jihadists today.
@drrobertoboogie97 That is not to say that those OT verses aren't bad. They tell of a wrathful God who orders men to kill men and to enslave their captives and steal their property. Weren't those victims of Jewish warfare, especially the women and children, just as much the creation of God as were the Jews? Still its not as evil as Islam, since Judism is a closed society with no mandate for ruling the world, gaining converts, or acquiring lands outside of a small plot in the Middle East
The Pervert Prophet on Fudge Packing Young Boys: sunnipath dot c o m / library / Hadith/ H0002P0070 dot aspx
2414. * If a baligh person commits sodomy with a boy , the mother, sister and daughter of the boy become haraam for him. And the same law applies when the person on whom sodomy is committed is an adult male, or when the person committing sodomy is na-baligh. But if one suspects or doubts whether penetration occurred or not, then the said woman would not become haraam.
The Pervert Prophet on Ejaculating on Children (Summary):
He liked em young,
and he like em old.
He liked em hot,
and he liked em cold
(The "cold" refers to the time Moh got caught naked in the coffin with his dead aunt. According to one particular haddiths (found in Bukhari, book of menstation at al-islam.net in Arabic (NOT English!), its okay to have sex with a dead person as long as you wash up afterwards.)
The Pervert Prophet on Ejaculating on Children (cont): As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his [male] member between her thighs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers..
The Pervert Prophet on Ejaculating on Children: The permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar).
After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:
The Book of Barnabas is a known 14th century forgery. It makes references to, or gives quotes from; 100 year Jubilee(1300s), Dante's Inferno,"false and lying gods, raging hunger." Therefore the Council of Nicea chose not to put it into the final books of the bible. In addition the book takes stories from the Gospels (NT) and alters them to falsely perpetrate the myth that Muhammad was mentioned in the bible. I pray muslims find God's love and grace.
Story of Egyptian trinity Rah represents Sun worship of a father a son and mother, who was born 12/25, on the alinement of stars, was crucified and resurrected after 3 days, predicted by 3 kings.
He is blind in 1 eye, sign of the Antichrist in Islam, this is why the $ bill NWO sign has 1 eye above the pyramid of Egypt. Satan sermons on sunrise and set.
X-tians pray on the Sun-day, pagan + satanic links are clear.
Jesus peace be upon him is Muslim innocent of the trinity.
Th council of NIcea and Paul changed the monotheism os thwe message of Jesus Christ PEace be upon him, just put Jesus Christ peace be upon him preostrates, he prays like a Muslim, there was always one creator, there was never three thats pagan.
@hbk711x -My statement was in response to the Book of Barnabas, not the trinity. My response was accurate and verifiable. Also, there was no Muslim religion at the time of Christ, therefore he prayed like himself. Later Muslims modeled their prayers after him, not vice-versa.
Haha. Hilarious that Muzzies try to deny the lie of Islam by using another lie like the "Gospel of Barnabas", which like the Quran is full of contradictions & errors. Some even contradict the Quran itself! Ex: Mary's pain at childbirth... Quran, 19:23) "and the pains of childbirth drove her into the trunk of a palm tree" ... Barnabas Chpt 3 "The virgin was surrounded by a light exceeding bright, and brought forth her son without pain"
@soyabmd U said, "Even current books of bible contradict each other". If that is true, then at least one of such contradictory passages cannot be from God, since God would never contradict himself or lie. This is also more proof that the Quran, hence Islam, is not from God. It contradicts itself dozens of times, and there are several verses which talk about the deceitful nature of Allah. GOD DOESN'T LIE! Mohammad lied and you've been conned.
@nedloh325 you are totally wrong.quran never contradicts itself.do you know muhammad(s) is foretold in bible?in Duet 18.18, a prophet from arabs(brethren of israel) like moses(a).
@nedloh325-plz proove where the Quran makes any contradictions,i've been asking many who try there best to refute the Quran & not1 person has been able to,dont get it twisted,they've put forth many suras & ayats,but have always been wronged in doing so,now its ur turn,PROOVE IT,then u laugh & say that the gospel of barnabas is a book muslims brought forth,but in actual fact it is a book written by a genuine follower of jesus himself,ask urself this why was it hidden by that pope in the 1st place
@mrdedat1 The funniest contradiction is the one where the pervert prophet tries to explain away all the contradictions: 2:106 - "Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it.." Other translators fall all over themselves trying to minimize the pure stupidity of this feeble excuse. Ali & Pickthall changed "whatever" it to "NONE & "NOTHING" of our verses do we abrogate..." Continued...
@mrdedat1 "contradictions in Quran - cont) Are Muzzies so brain dead that they can't understand that a perfect God who was authoring the perfect book to be a guide for mankind would never need to abrogate, cause to be forgotten, or substitute anything he said with something better?!?! By making up this verse, Moh not only relied on your stupidity to fall for such a clear lie, he insults the God he claims to speak for! IF IT'S PERFECT IN THE 1ST PLACE, THERES NO NEED FOR ANY OF THAT!
Allah the Sole creator revealed teh religion slowly for the situations you nutjob, learn to read , you're only making a monkey of yourself like those aetheists that think they came from them.
Whose faith are you calling perverted to freaky hypocrite,
duetoronomy
If a man rapes a virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels of silver and then marry her. 22:28
Judah commits adultery with "stocks and stones." 3:9 Jeremiah
@hbk711x "Allah created the religion slowly" Is that your answer to why Allah changed verses, caused them to be forgot, or substituted somethng with something else? You have dutifully bought the lies the apologists have fed you. God doesn't need to reveal over time that Jews & Christians would go to heaven, & then change it to hell. God doesn't need to reveal over time that alcohol is okay, but then not okay. God doesn't need to reveal over time that there is no compulsion in religion, cont
@hbk711x cont... and then tell Muslims to kill apostates. The simpliest answer to the question of abrogation is the right answer. The reason "Allah" changed his mind was because the pervert prophet, like all pathelogical liars, couldn't keep up with his multitude of lies. He conned you, and he created a cult of murder & death. As far as your attacks on the Bible, go ahead & attack. I don't care what Muslims convert to, as long as they convert AWAY from the evil cult of the pervert prophet.
RELigion was revived adn revealed slwoly same way you learn, you for ex, can't read the enitre Quran in one sitting w/ a busy time in life, however you read peice be peice , hence it was revelaed this way as problems came, ISlam is always peaceful, only retaliates to evil, such as your lies and hatred for truth. Jews and X-tians themselves call each other lost, how about that but unite on hate. How about that!
@hbk711x "Alcohol never allowed". Except for when pervert prophet changed his mind & added verses which did not forbid it: 4:42 - "do not approach Salat while intoxicated"... doen't disallow, just restricts what to do. 16:67 - "& from the fruits of the palm tree, you make wine & good provision. In that is a sign of people who comprehend." Actually compliments drinkers! And then there's Mohs heavenly brothel, with "rivers of wine" (& unlimited sex for men only): 47:15
@hbk711x And finally, concerning your statement, "alcohol NEVER allowed" (I capitalized 'never'), the haddith from Bukhari: Vol 6, # 162: "Some people drank alcohol in the morning of the Uhud battle,... that was BEFORE wine was prophibited." Of course, you say that changes were made slowly, as people learned. But the Quran also describes itself as "timeless", which makes your arguement just more hot air from a Muslim apologist seeking to explain away the lies of the pervert prophet.
@hbk711x "You are anti-truth & bitter . This from a person who's own holy book repeatedly brags about the deceitful skills of its God & how he propogates hatred: 3:54: "and Allah is the best of deceivers". Allah's lies actually cause people to sin & go to hell: 40:23&32,32:13,18:57,17:46 and about xtians being united on hate, please provide evidence from Bible where Jesus ordered it, like Moh did with many verses of hate: 5:60, 7:166,2:65:Jews are apes & pigs. Bukhari 54:524:Jews are rats
@hbk711x "revealed slowly same way you learn". Why don't you study some of the dozens of abrogations to see how that ridculous excuse makes absolutely no sense - that there is no reason why a real God couldn't get it right the 1st time: 8:66 vs 8:65 (Just how much "slow time" was there between thiese verses? Couldn't your God get his math to stay consistent for a single verse? Clearly, this example shows the words of a rambling idiot who can't remember what he just said. You've been conned.
@hbk711x Here are some more times where your God changed his mind (so people could 'slowly' learn, no doubt): 2:185 vs 2:184 (another change only 1 verse later); 2:234 vs 2:240 (God gave people a whole 6 verses to 'slowly' learn this time); 2:285 vs 2:284 and 58:13 vs 58:12 (Back to 1 verse slow learning); 73:20 vs 73:2-3 (wow! 13 verses to slowly adapt). Also, 3:85-86 & 9:73 vs 2:62,2:256 & 5:69; 4:11-12 vs 2:180 & 2:240; 9:29 vs 2:109 & 60:8-9; 9:36 vs 2:217 & 45:14; 24:2 vs 4:15-17
@hbk711x In summary, you excuse that abrogation allowed people to "slowly learn" has been proven to be a false excuse. The real reason for abrogation in the quran and Islam is because it was created by a man, with any normal man's proclivity to make mistakes. When confronted with contradictions, he tried to explain them away with his "abrogation" verses, which only further proves that he was a con artist, who used violence to force his followers to stay in the fold. I pity you.
@nedloh325-why is it that of all the followers of jesus,only those documents that tell not the comming of the last prophet were used & those that do r not,why did paul exclude the writtings of barnabas when he knew that he was telling the truth,why does the catholic bible which has 73 books including barnabas in it,recognizes barnabas & the protastants bible dont,these r legitamen question to which many christians dont want to answer,maybe ul b a good bible thumper & explain it to the masses
@mrdedat I'm not a Bible thumper & am not trying to convert anyone ot xtianity - only away from the evil cult of the pervert prophet. The Gospel of Barnabas is NOT in the Catholic Bible. You are misinformed. Please provide a Catholic website that shows such if you know of one. Maybe you're thinking about the "Epistle" of Barnabas, a completely different book, but that is not in the Catholic Bible either as far as I know. See answering-islam d o t org/green/barnabas.htm for proof.
in the old Testament God announce that the Messiah is the Son of God..Psalms 2:7Jesus is the Son of God cause God himself said it....LK 9:35..Matthew 3:17 the Angel Gabriel told Mary that the child is the Son of God....Luke 1:26-33...God reveal to Peter that Jesus is the son of God...Matthew 16: 15-17...Jesus himself said he is the Son of God....John 10 33-38..especially verse 36..and Jesus confess to the high Priest that he was the Son of God....Lk 22:70 Mark 14: 61-62 Matt 26:63-64..
Tell me any verse having "Trinity" First so called religious leaders forged this term and it was Jesus, Merry and Father now it is Jesus, holy Ghost and Father but how you will prove that there is trinity? Give a single proof or give a single saying of Jesus (PBUH) saying that "I am God worship me" If father means sustainer, all human kind has one Father, God, Allah but not in that sense that God has sexual relation and beget a Son. In bible there ans Son of God in tons,
@yamamooto1 Christians never said, the Holy Trinity is Father, Jesus & Mary; that is a mistake of Mhmd in understanding the Christian faith. Christians have never believed that Jesus was born by a sexual union. That is another misunderstanding by Muslims. The Holy Trinity is a word that is used to describe God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus did claim to be God when He said, "I Am the Good Shepherd." Jesus said, "only God is good." Psalms 22 says, God is the Shepherd of believers.
@yamamooto1 Jesus told His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit; Matthew 28:19. The word Holy Trinity was created by the apostolic Church to describe this mystery of God. The apostolic Church has authority from Christ to teach all nations.
God is the One n Only the creator(not creators) The supreme the Most High,Exalted be his Majesty,the king of kings,Unique(Nothing is the like of Him) Great,God is not apart of His creation,He see All The seen n Unseen,hears All the heard n unheard n Knows of all things In the heavens n Earth! God is not a Man nor an object God is pure n perfect God is the first n Last,God is the self subsisting the self Existing Eternal Being Infinite Unlimited Power of all God is One,the Most Merciful! Amen
@ilsaliba You should study the Bible instead of listening to Muslim propagandists who are ignorant of the meaning of Bible verses. I have studied the Bible for many yrs, I can assure you there is no mention of Muhammed in the Bible. Isaiah, Hagai and Ezekiel do not mention the coming of Muhammed. You need to show what verses you are referring to in these books, so that I can explain to you their true meaning.
and you gotta love how 3-4 people use the word proven and all of a sudden everyone like sheep just blindly follow and say yeah, its fake or its proven without researching it themselves.
@evo55 there is nothing as holy trinity in heart or in the universe. you people even dont have firm beleif on trinity because it is natual that a person should believe on one Single God (Elohim, Allah), Ok how you will prove that there is trinity? You even not sure whether Jesus (PBUH) was crucified or not You are all spending your life on baseless stories and being just emotional!! Just emotinal on self giving of Jesus so keep on weping and being emotional. You wil se truth at Judgement day
@yamamooto1 Christians do believe in one God. We believe in one God who eternally exists as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We are sure that Jesus was crucified and that Muhammed is a false prophet. We don't have to wait till Judgement Day to know the truth. We know that Islam is cursed by God and is a curse on humanity. Islam keeps Muslims ignorant and far away from God. Islam turns Muslims into terrorists. Islam makes Muslims riot after praying in the mosque, just as is happening in Egypt.
@yeshuathenazarene I never said I accepted the entire gospel of barnabas. There are certain verses which I do not agree with just like in the todays bible.
@DrXoz The Gospel of Barnabas is a proven forgery written @ 15th century in Europe. This has been determined by scholars who have studied it's many errors which prove it was written by a convert to Islam who did not understand that Christ means Messiah. The Gospel of Barnabas has Jesus Christ denying he is the Messiah instead it is Muhammed who is the Messiah . This false gospel also mentions wine being stored in wooden barrels which was not the custom in 1st century Judea but only in Europe.
@evo55 No it does not claim that Mohammad is the Messiah because Islam even believes that Jesus (PBUH) is the Messiah. It was not proven as fake, research it my friend and find a copy, educate yourself. Muslims are forbidden to quote false words or false versus that they CLAIM to be from God so this so called "Muslim Convert" Would not have done this and that is just an excuse christians make up because they can't handle the truth, It is in 2 Museums for the sake of God open your eyes!
@Gasterad12 The Gospel of Barnabas does quote Jesus Christ denying that he is the Messiah, and instead saying it is Muhammed who is the Messiah. This fake gospel also speaks of wine being stored in wooden barrels, which is a sign this gospel was not written in 1st century Judea but centuries later in Europe. Muslim converts are gullible people who make things up out of ignorance and their desire to spead Islam. The Gospel of Barnabas proves that Muslims have no love for God or the truth.
@evo55 i dont believe that gospel of barnabas says that jesus is not messiah...even the qor'an says that he is the messiah not mohammad...and also...this gospel is written in the 1st century ad...how could barnabas know of mohammad in that period? dont u think?
@khalilrabee The scholars who have studied the Gospel of Barnabas believe it was written by a convert to Islam who wasn't yet familiar will all Islamic teachings. This convert to Islam misunderstood that Islam does not deny that Jesus is the Messiah. The scholars also determined the Gospel of Barnabas was written in 15th century Europe since it refers to wine being stored in wooden barrels (wine was stored in clay jars in 1st century Judea)and contains references to Dante's "Divine Comedy".
but anyway...if it was written in the 1st century what would u expect the christian scholars to say? "yes its true for 1700 years we and our ancestors lied to u...jesus is not god but a massenger."? ofcourse they wouldnt say that :) why would they tell the truth? they lie to themselves so dont u think they can lie to anyone?
@khalilrabee Any secular scholar would also determine the Gospel of Barnabas to be a forgery written @ 15th century in Europe. There are significant errors in this fake gospel that prove it was not written in the 1st century Judea nor by any disciple of Jesus. You an your ancestors did not lie. You and your ancestors were fooled by Muhammed and his lies in the Quran. Muhammed was an ignorant man who never studied the Bible. He lied when he said the angel Gabriel gave him a book from God.
@khalilrabee People were fooled by Islam before being fooled by the Gospel of Barnabas. Jesus tells us we must love God with all our mind by studying the holy scriptures(Bible). Those who love God with all their mind are not fooled by false prophets like Muhammed.
@khalilrabee Islam is a false religion that can only be supported by false books invented by Muslims. The Christian faith is supported by true books inspired by the God.
@evo55 i dont think a book written at least 40 years after jesus, whom author never saw jesus is the word of god my friend...and islam doesnt need the gospel of barnabas to prove itself..the qor'an proves itself...
it clearly says "if you doubt that its a word from god then make up a surah like it"...
if u my friend claim that the qor'an is false then its man made...which means that anyone can create a qor'an but noone did...but u can do it go ahead
@khalilrabee The Bible contains surahs that are far superior to those of the Quran. 1 Corinthians, chapter 13 written by Paul is far superior to any surah invented by Muhammed. Muslims must study the Bible, so they can realize the superiority of the Bible over the Quran. A book written 40 yrs after Jesus can contain original accounts from the life of Christ. The fact they were finally written down in a gospel doesn't mean they did not first exist as an oral tradition or written in another form.
@evo55 yes but there were many gospels written before paul...and then paul...he was a disciple of a disciple so i ask again which is best to believe the disciple or the disciple or the disciple? and paul never said anything about trinity that was invented in the 3rd century
i dont know if u know arabic and actualy read the qor'an or maybe ur talking about a translation of the qor'an which is actualy an explanation not the qor'an itself...
@khalilrabee Most fake gospels come from the 2nd century, after the time of Paul. Paul was not a disciple of a disciple but converted by a miraculous encounter with Christ. Paul was a disciple of Christ and accepted as a genuine apostle by the first disciples of Jesus. Paul did not use the word "Trinity" but does teach about the Father, Son & Holy Spirit as being God. The word "Holy Trinity" was later created by the Church to describe the mystery of the one God who is Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
@khalilrabee There is only one Holy Trinity who is God. The Gospel existed before Paul became a Christian. The Gospel was preached by the first disciples of Jesus who receieved it from Jesus. No man can see the Holy Spirit, but we can only see it's effects. Jesus said, the Holy Spirit is like the wind of God that blows whever He wishes, we see the effects in miracles and holy lives of people. It is the Holy Spirit that has produced more Christian saints than any other religion has produced.
@khalilrabee Jesus did't reveal all msyteries in detail. He gave that mission to the Holy Spirit who would be sent to Christians after Christ returned to heaven. The Holy Spirit is our Teacher and Guide who guides us unto all Truth. Jesus did tell His disciples to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
@evo55 yes but also the bible says that "god doesnt drive ppl into confusion" right? and the trinity cant be understood not by a 3 year old nor by a 60 year old by anyone...
so why does god drive ppl into confusion?
the bible doesnmt even say anything about trinity
@khalilrabee The Bible tells us that the glory of God is to hide a matter so that only those who are worthy may seek it out and find it; Proverbs 25:2. Jesus spoke in parables for this reason. The Bible says that God is not the author of confusion, as in "pandemonium". The Bible does speak of God as a mystery, and even Islam describes God as Allah al-Batin, the Hidden One.
@khalilrabee Why should you care if God is a deceiver? The Quran states that Allah is the best of deceivers. He deceived Mary into believeing Jesus was killed on the cross, when someone else was killled by mistake.
@khalilrabee The Quran does create confusion. The Quran confuses Muslims into believeing the Quran is from God when it is really but the conjectures of Muhammed. The Quran is not clear and direct, it's the reason there are so many sects in Islam. God wants all people to be saved. All that is necessary is to believe what God has spoken through the prophets about the Messiah. The Messiah is the Servant of the Lord who suffers & dies for the sins of the people as foretold by the prophet, Isaiah.
@evo55 man are we talking about sects or the qor'an? if u tell me that the qor'an is false then prove that it is false...noone could and noone did in 1400 years...
but the bible my friend has recorded history of continous editiing over time, verses added and verses removed...
and the bible states that whoever edits the bible will be cursed but noone of the ppl who edited it got cursed my friend so i dot think thats the word of god but what some ppl believe to be the word of god
@khalilrabee The Quran is false. The Quran confuses the two Maryams of the Bible and makes them into one woman. Maryam, the daughter of Imran and sister of Aaron is not the mother of Jesus but lived centuries before Jesus was born. The Bible has not been corrupted as you mistakenly believe, not even Muhammed believed it to be corrupted. He believed the Christians had the true scriptures(Quran 5:46,47,68). Muhammed curses Christians in Quran 9:30 but the curse is really on Muhammed and Islam.
@khalilrabee If Muslims believe the Christians who lived in the 7th century had the true Gospel, then they have to believe the Latin Vulgate Bible and other ancient Bibles do have the true Gospel. The Latin Vulgate Bible and other ancient Bibles date from the 4th century and contain the same Gospel message as in modern Bibles. If Muslims believe the modern Bible is corrupted, then they must prove it by finding an ancient Bible that supports the teachings of Islam. However, they will find none.
@khalilrabee The Torah tells us that God appeared to Abraham in the form of three men; Genesis 18:1-3. This story in the Bible is a referrence to Allah, the Holy Trinity.
@evo55 first of all muslims dont believe that christians of the 7th century had the true gospel otherwise god wouldnt have sent us a new revelation through mohammad...
second of all in the ot god didnt apear as 3 men to abraham it was god and 2 angels so dont mess things up...
u studed the bible for years i havent studied it i just read half of it once but i remember the stories...
there is no trinity and even if god apeared as 3 men that would mean there is no son nor holy spirit...
@khalilrabee The fact is Christians did have the true Gospel in the 7th centrury and God never sent a new revelation through Muhammed. Muhammed never studied the Gospel but even he believed the Christians had the true Gospel. But he only mistakenly accused the Christians of hiding the truth of the Gospel. Muhammed believed his Quran was sent to confirm the Gospel but not to correct it.
@khalilrabee The Son and Holy Spirit are sometimes spoken of as angels in the Bible. The story of Abraham's three visitors is to be seen as an allusion to the Holy Trinity, in that in some instances they speak as one.
@evo55 but the truth is that god never apeared to anyone and in the bible story it was god and 2 angels...
christian statements never make any sense, its like a mad man saying crazy things that he can not think of...
muslim propagandists say the truth about the christian theology while christians need to apeal to lies and defamation of islam in order to get more ppl to convert...check "fake ex muslim exposed' videos...ull see what i mean...
@khalilrabee You wrote, "but the truth is god never appeared to anyone in the Bible story, it was god and 2 angels." It seems you are the one who does not make any sense. Either God appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18 or He did not; make up your mind.
@khalilrabee Muslims propagandists misunderstand Christian theology. They are only able to fool ignorant and gullible people like themselves. The Gospel of Barnabas is a good example.
@khalilrabee The fact that Muhammed never studied the Bible disqualifies him as a prophet of God. Allah would never send an ignorant man with His holy message, especially one who was not an Israelite. The fact that Muhammed was a merchant makes him a con man. Jesus expelled the merchants from the Jewish Temple for making God's house into a den a thieves. Islam is a den a thieves created by Muhammed.
@evo55 ur using arguemments that totally prove that mohammad is a prophet...the fact that he couldnt read the bible proves that he didnt copy anything...and who said the prophets must be israelites? and who said that god needs the bible in order to have authority and chose a prophet? does god need anything?
@khalilrabee Muhammed didn't study the Bible or Talmud but did borrow some stories that he heard from Christians and Jews. These stories are retold in a confused and mixed up manner in the Quran. There are other stories in the Quran that were borrowed from apocryphal gospels such as the story of Jesus speaking as an infant from the cradle. The confused and erroneous stories in the Quran are further proof that Muhammed was not a prophet of God but a con man who took advantage of ignorant people.
@khalilrabee The true prophets from the line of Abraham must be Israelites, for God has promised to bless all nations through Isaac , the son born of Abraham's faith. God has declared that only the descendants of Isaac are the true children of Abraham (Genesis 21:12).
@evo55 like i said noone made them saints not jesus not god except for the church...and who made those gospels apocryphal? the church? the church is lieing to u about saints...
apocryphal or whatever gospels...the council of nicea burned 300 gospels...why did they chose 4 plus the book of paul and not just one?
my friend...i hope ull open ur eyes and the least u could do is read the qor'an...:)
@khalilrabee The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit in determining which scriptures are inspired by God and which scriptures are to be rejected. The apocryphal gospels from which Muhammed borrowed some stories, were never accepted into the Bible.
@evo55 the church my friend is the house of the greatest evil ppl...they chose 4 gospels+the book of paul because these were the only ones that could fit into their doctrine that works til our days...the same thing than happend in the dark ages happens now with the christians but in a different form...who are u to say that mohammad had no authority from god? and what does that mean? in fact has all authority and does what he wishes and gives revelation to whomever he wishes
@evo55 to not understand something that can not be understood like the trinity isnt lack of knowledge..
u dont understand it nor the pope understand it and nobody can understand something that can not be understood...
the simple fact that the bible is full of sex stories is a proof that theres no inspiration from god, plus contradictions and things that contradict science...check ezechiel 23:1-21...see what it says with ur own eyes...god gives details about porn scenes? i dont think so
@khalilrabee Muslims can't understand E=mc2, therefore they can't understand Allah, the Holy Trinity; it is foolishness to them. They don't accept the Bible even though Muhammed tells us to believe in it. They would rather believe the porn in the Quran where Muhammed has sex with his adopted son's wife.
read ezechiel 23:1-21...see the real porn...god gives details about places 2 women were touched by their lovers...
and it also tells us how their penis' were..."like those of donkeys and imitions like those of horses"...
thats the word of god to u right?estaghfer allah...have u evr readthe whole bible to see how it instructs on how to rape ur sister and mother? my god man...im sure u never have u just speak rubish...
@khalilrabee Muhammed did not believe there was porn in the Bible. He believed the Quran was sent to confirm the previous scriptures; Quran 5:46,47.48. Study the Bible, ignorant Muslim. There are no instructions on how to rape your mother or sister. You speak rubbish out of your ignorant and confused mind.
@evo55 ok why dont u just read the bible? i read it and theres also instructions fr women who want to have sex with their fathers....yes...many porn scenes...but u never read the bible and mohammad didnt have to believe anything about te bible theres nothing to be copied from it...
and how could he know theres porn in the bible if he couldnt even read? and what difference does it make? u have ur bible read it...ull become an atheist aftarwards...
@khalilrabee I have read the Bible. The Bible does give instructions on what is immoral and moral in sexual relations. The Bible condemns immorality like that committed by Muhammed who married his adopted son's wife. Muhammed never studied the Bible, though he did believe it was sent from God.
@evo55 ur talking nonsense...first u say porn then terrorism...mohammad never said the bible u have is word of god...adopted son isnt ur son ur not his father thats why god allowed him to marry her...to brek this concept...
and yes there is porn and ur afraid of reding ur own bible because ur afraid of what u might find in it...u don even read ur own bible and yet u say ur a christian...shame...
@khalilrabee There's no porn in the Bible, Muhammed says the Bible is God's word. Muhammed also said God allowed him to marry his adopted sons' wife. This is a blasphemy since God does not allow for family members to marry and have sex. God also does not allow for men to divorce their wives, except for adultery. Zaid should not have divorced Zainab. Therefore Muhammed commited adultery with Zainab who was in God's eyes still married with Zaid.
@evo55 theres no trinity in any of the gospels thats the churches interpretation no verse says clearly theres a trinity and no verse says that jesus said "im god worship me, have me as saviour etc..."
u worship the church and the pope not god...
did jesus himself say "listen to whatever the church says"? no...the pope puts words in jesus's mouth...shame...
jesus was a great prophet one of gods favourites and he will return and he will tell everyone that he never said to be god...
@khalilrabee The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are mentioned in the Gospel. Jesus does claim to be God in John 8:58. He also says we must worship the Son as the Father is worshipped. Jesus tells us, we must believe in the Son of God to be saved. Jesus said, we must listen to the Church for God speaks through the Church. Jesus was the greatest of the prophets and the Son of God who died for our salvation as foretold by the prophet, Isaiah. Muslims must read and believe Isaiah 53 to be saved.
@evo55 john 8:58 is a verse that has been removed from the gospel because christian scholars agreed upon the fact that this verse was included much later and its not found in ancient scriptures...before speaking about the qor'an read ur own bibles history, also the verse which says that god is "father son and holy spirit" was removed for the same reason...acording to christian theology if u say "son, father and holy spirit" or "holy spirit, father and son" is a blasphemy...why? 1 god =father
@khalilrabee John 8:58 has not been removed from the Gospel, though ignorant Muslims may want to believe so. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are also in the Gospel and have not been removed. They are in the same Gospel that Muhammed tells us to believe in, judge by and hold fast to.
@evo55 not only muslims dont understand the trinity...u dont understand the trinity noone understands the trinity and theres no such thing as trinity in the bible....
@khalilrabee The Hebrew word for "one" can include more than one person in a single entity; Genesis 2:24. The one Lord God of Israel is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
@evo55 do u even speak hebrew? cause i speak arabic and hebrew languege structure is the same as arabic languege...and i tell u thats a stupidity in no languege can be equal to 3...
that verse speaks about a family and more specificly about adams and eves family...one body=one family...
dont start searching everywhere to see where u can find these ambigous verses they are not talking about any trinity...
@khalilrabee Genesis 1:24 speaks about the spiritual mystery of marriage that reveals the mystery of God. Man is made in the image of God. The male and female together reveal the mystery of God. The human family reveals the mystery of the Holy Trinity. Father, Mother and Child are a holy trinity made in the image of God. The Torah contains many divine mysteries which Muslims are blind to understand.
@khalilrabee The Torah states that man (male and female) is made in God's image. Your problem is you cannot understand the spiritual massage of the Torah. You only prove your hypocrisy and unbelief in the message of Moses. Muslims are the greatest of unbelievers for they do not love God with all their mind. They remain in ignorance of the truth and slaves to darkness.
@khalilrabee You are confused. The Son is not the wife of the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit the child of the Father and Son. God, the Father is the chief male principal who begets the Son through the Holy Spirit, who is the female principal.
@evo55 lol as long as i believe in a single god ill never be confused...but ur the one who is confused and not even u understand the trinity...do u even realise what ur saying? so the holy spirit is the wife of the father and the son is their begotten son and yet u claim that god is one? ur a politheist...
@khalilrabee You'll continue to be deluded into a false sense of worship by following Islam. Jesus tells us we must worship God in Spirit and in Truth, otherwise our worship is in vain. I never said the Holy Spirit is the wife of the Father. You're taking things to literally by misunderstanding the spirtual metaphors used in the Bible. You must love God with all your mind by studying the Bible and leave behind the ignorance that keeps you trapped in Islam.
@evo55 yes i believe jesus said that to worship only god the father and do not associate anything with him in worshiping or saying that god is a third out of 3, and he never said "worship me" in fact he said "hear ow israel, god ur lord is one"..1 god not 3 in 1 not 1 in 3 no trinity..this is the churchs invention and not even u or th church understand what a trinity could be...thats politheism and idolworshiping
@khalilrabee What you believe about Jesus is wrong since it is based on the ignorant conjectures of Muhammed. Of course, Jesus never said "God is a third out of three.' That is a misunderstanding of Muhammed. Jesus said, God is one in three. Jesus also never said, "I am not God, do not worship me." Jesus never denied being God and accepted the worship of his followers. He blessed those who believed and worshipped Him as God, and forgave their sins.
@evo55 It's Not Muhammad(saw) who wrote the Quran but it is the Word of God almighty revealed to Muhammad! Jesus never mention or spoke about the trinity at All!U lying Devils,Satan has mislead u n deceived U! God is the Most High Not a Human being who defecated n urinated thinks of the Blasphemy things Christians say about God lowering Him to a mere Man,disgusting!In the Bible it says God sent his"son",David was the son of God too u take it literally it Son of God means servant of God,Idiot!
@moeazysgc The many errors and blasphemies in the Quran prove it is not the word of God but the words of an ignorant man who never studied the Bible. The Bible does indeed call the Israelites "sons of God"; so then, why does Muhammed condemn this in his Quran(Surah 9:30)? Didn't Muhammed know that the Bible uses the term "son of God"? He is the idiot for not studying the Bible!
@evo55 Who does Muhammad Condemn? No One! Only God has the authority to Condemn,U Pauline pagan!God never condemn all of children of Israel but those of the Sabbath who broke God commands n those who reject the Last Testament n the Seal of Prophet/Messenger(Muhammad(saw))!Stop trying to assume things, The bible Is not !00% The word of God but a distorted n rewritten forgery of the original Torah/Gospel! read the Quran u will see the truth God willingly! Peace
@moeazysgc Read for yourself Quran 9:30 in which Muhammed curses Jews and Christians for saying God has a son. Mhmd was an ignorant man who never studied the Bible; his Quran is filled with blasphemy & error. God did condemn the Jews but not for breaking the Sabbath. God condemned the Jews for not showing mercy & love to the poor & oppressed. God called the Jews hypocrites for only observing the Sabbath but not loving their brother. Jesus came to teach us to love all people, including enemies.
@moeazysgc The Bible has not been distorted as Muslims mistakenly claim. The Bible read by modern Christians is the same Bible used in the time of Muhammed. He tells Christians to judge by, obey and hold fast to their scriptures (Quran 5:46,47,66,68). There is no evidence that the Bible was corrupted before or after the time of Muhammed. Love God by studying the Bible and you will realize the Truth. Don't assume the Quran is from God or Muhammed is the prophet God. Peace, Love and Truth
@evo55 mohammad told us the exact same thing as jesus said "la ilaha illallah" no god except God, nothing to worship except God, allah and he told the same massege like jesus told but christianity is created by paul and the church and emperor constantin because the emperor couldnt accept the worshiping of 1 god so they made up the trinity...3 gods but 1 god...absolutely noone understands it not even the pope himself its illogical and irrational...
@khalilrabee Muhammed did not preach the same message as Jesus. Jesus preached the need to be born again of the Holy Spirit as a son of God to inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus preached the need to love God with all our mind, and worship God in Spirit and in truth. Muhammed did not love God or study the Bible to learn the truth. Muslims are ignorant people who do not study the Bible, science or history. Muslim worship is in ignorance and vain for having been fooled by the false prophet of Islam.
@evo55 if u claim to be a monotheist then be a pure monotheist and worship god alone not trinity no statues no images...thats monotheism which is islam...
jesus never mentioned the word christianity nor the word bible, the bible itself never mentions the word chirtisaniy nor bible...
@khalilrabee Christians do worship God alone. Haven't you learned that Christianity is considered by scholars to be the greatest of the monotheist religions? Your ignorance of Christianity is causing you to be fooled by Islam, a false religion invented by an ignorant man who never studied the Bible. Jesus did mention the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He did say that salvation only is found in knowing the Father and the Son. Islam denies the Father and the Son and therefore is a false religion.
@evo55 man u keep twisting ur statements...once u say that u pray to saints for help and when i tell u to pray to god alone for help u tell me that im ignorant...all i can say is "may god open ur eyes and take u out of the ppl who the qor'an speaks about..."they have eyes but can not see, they have but they can not hear, and they have hearts but they can not comprehend""...i really hope one day ull realise what monotheism means and ull accept islam and become one of our family
@khalilrabee You are ignorant person who thinks praying to a saint means that we are worshipping a saint. Praying to saint means that we are asking a saint for their help in praying to God. It is the same as asking a holy person to pray for us. The spiritual power of the saints help us in our prayers to God. You are the blind person being led by a blind prophet. You both have not studied the Bible and remain in darkness. You cannot understand that the Torah teaches trinitarian monotheism.
The 'Gospel' of barnabas that's familiar to us was written in the 14th century. FAKE.
EdM021 1 month ago
The 'gospel' of Barnabas was written by a muslim. It's FALSE.
ChristelijkOrthodox 2 months ago
@ChristelijkOrthodox Lahh it, why would u even say that, it was authenticated by the deep sea scrolls and authenticated by islam, so just take ur shahadah and you should know dat islam is the right religion
hdots54321 2 months ago
@hdots54321 The koran and this is the work of Satan.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
Barnabas: after jesus (isa) will that come the last prophet, jesus is pbuh of israel (jews) but last pbuh will be pbuh for rest of world.
trk321 3 months ago
in real gospel of barnabas jesus said i m messiah of just israel but mohammed will be messiah of all world. it is miracle of jesus because he said that before 75 years of islam.
1905GALATASARAYY 4 months ago 4
PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!
AegeanKing 6 months ago
@AegeanKing i agree....nothing but selected pics and typed words(could be done for any subject by anyone)....useless for determining anything about truth.
ranisolo 6 months ago
The Gospel of Barnabas did not exist at the time of Constantine. It was left out of the NT since it didn't exist until the 1500's. Your number 2 and 3 are correct.
You are wrong when you said 12 students of Christ wrote a Gospel.
truthforchrist 6 months ago
The gospel of barnabas is a 16th Century forgery. Don't confuse the epistle with the gospell.
TheDajjal1 7 months ago
Story of Egyptian trinity Rah represent Sun worship of a father a son and a mother, born 12/25, on the aligned stars (3 Kings), crucified and resurrected after 3 days.
He is blind in 1 eye, sign of the Antichrist in Islam, this is why the $ bill NWO sign has 1 eye above the pyramid of Egypt. Satan sermons on sunrise+set.
X-tians pray on Sun-day, pagan+satanic link of Paul (Hunter of Christ) who saw the devil in the forest are clear. Jesus peace be upon him is Muslim innocent of the trinity.
hbk711x 7 months ago
@hbk711x Pagan influnces are also in Islam. Kaaba, blackstone and Allah the supreme god or moon. The quran says Jesus is the messiah, so follow him over the false prophet. There is nothing satanic about being blind in one eye. The hadith's don't say anything about the dollar bill. There will be no pink hunchback, cyclopes or blind with kafir on his head. The Mahdi, false prophet and the beast Allah and their minions marked headbands and black flags will all be thrown into the fire.
TheDajjal1 7 months ago
@TheDajjal1
No Islam is teh religion of Propeht Adam peace be upon him, he was teh first man to be Muslim, and Proppeht Muhamamd peace adn belssings eb upon im was teh final one, Propeht Jesus peace eb upon him said I am a Muslim and parays like one MAth 26:39, Islam is purified from paganism which leads to the fire. Christains don't even have holy bok preserved, its twisted every genereation and everyone knows this. Mahdi and Jesus peace be upon them will be Muslim brothers.
hbk711x 6 months ago
@hbk711x Go with the history and archeology. No Muslims and Mosques until the Muhammad created Islam in the 7th Century. Adam was niether a prophet nor a Muslim. He was the first man and the second sinner. Muhammad and the Mahdi are about as anti-christ as you can get because of thier actions plus Muhammad denies The Father & The Son. The real Jesus will be sending them to the lake of fire with Allah the beast. Niether the Qu'ran nor Bible is 100% flawless.
TheDajjal1 6 months ago
@TheDajjal1 dont be an idiot no one worship kaaba , black stone or moon etc. Their are clear verses that donot worship sun of MOON. nothing satanic about one eye? why the prophecy is their about one eye? mahdi was never considered as a prophet. get some info before talking shit.
flexpape 4 months ago
@flexpape Eventhough Muhammad is supposed to be the last and greatest prophet. The Mahdi is more than the descendant of Muhammad , but like him=Muslim Prophet. I am not making anything up. Read the history, Qu'ran, Hadiths & The Holy Bible. There will be no carnival freak as the endtimes anti-christ nor is there enough Jews from a certain city in Iran to follow him. You really don't need to be rude.
TheDajjal1 4 months ago
@TheDajjal1 " mahdi false prophet beast allah " what was that lol. In hadith there is a mention of descendant whose name is Mahdi but he is NOT a prophet. If you read Quran and Hadith it is clearly written that Jesus will be the sign of Hour. Jews believe that a messiah will came to them and that is why they are preparing for holy land. Go ask any rabbi... we muslims know that this messiah will be anti christ however true messiah Jesus pbuh will kill the false one.
flexpape 4 months ago
@flexpape The real Jesus is the messiah. He healed & other miracles, sacraficial lamb and rose from the grave. He died so we could be saved. He is not a Muslim Prophet. He is the Son of Man and God. The Mahdi is supposed be more than a descendant of Muhammad, but will be like Muhammad=Muslim Prophet both leaders of Islamic nation, eventhough Muhammad claimed to be the last and greatest prophet. The end times anti-christ is no freak. He will be handsome and charismatic leader of nations.
TheDajjal1 4 months ago
@TheDajjal1 --The real Jesus is the messiah. He healed & other miracles, sacraficial lamb and rose from the grave-- Correct. --He died so we could be saved. He is not a Muslim Prophet. He is the Son of Man and God.-- ok?? He died, God died, but wait if he is son of man AND God what man again? So he is demigod? Why would a demigod have to die for us? he could just make all of us Good, kill the satan, end of game? Mahdi will be a caliph not a prophet. Mind it
flexpape 4 months ago
@TheDajjal1 There is no where written in bible that Jesus is son of God if so then David, Abraham, Israel, Issac, Adam all are sons of God according to bible. They are actually begotten sons ( God forgive me for saying this) according to bible. Adam had no father and mother and he was son of God according to bible . Then he is bigger demigod than Jesus pbuh. Dude its just like greek and hindu system u are choosing. We are MONO , we believe in ONE GOD. not in some demigods. All other are humans.
flexpape 4 months ago
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@flexpape You are so wrong. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. Who ever believes in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting life. David, Abraham, Israel, Issac & Adam were believers, but were not prophets. Just because Muhammad claimed Christians worshipped 3 Gods don't mean it's true.
TheDajjal1 4 months ago
@hbk711x Jesus is not a Muslim. Muhammad is the founder of Islam and is the only self proclaimed prophet of submission. The Kabba was a shrine of many idols worshipped by the polytheist. The dollar bill has nothing to do with the anti-christ or your carny freak the dajjal. Jesus rose from the grave on Sunday. That is why most Christians worship on that day, and currently the Lord don't care what day worship anyways. Saul was temporarly blinded by the Lord for persicution until he became Paul.
TheDajjal1 4 months ago
According to Islamic texts, the reason the whole of Christendom screams he is dead is because Allah deceived them and made it appear he had died on the cross. So if anybody is to blame for launching the biggest religion in the world, which Islam claims is a lie and who's followers will go to hell, it is Allah himself.
The pervert prophet loved to brag about the lying skills of his God in misleading people into sinning so they could be eternally punished: "For he is the best of deceivers"
nedloh325 8 months ago
@DrXoz passages conflict with the teachings of the Quran.the account of the Nativity, where Mary is said to have given birth to Jesus without pain.or as in Jesus's ministry, where he permits the drinking of wine and enjoins monogamy.And that hell will only be for the committers of the seven death sins (Barnabas: 4-44/135), anyone who refuses to be circumcised will not enter paradise (Barnabas 17/23), that God has a soul (Barnabas 6/82), that there are 9 heavens (Barnabas 3/105).
irishtubemaker2011 8 months ago
@DrXoz jesus really is the son of god.
irishtubemaker2011 8 months ago
The Pervert Prophet on Fudge Packing Young Boys (cont.)
2415. * If a person marries the mother or sister of a boy, and commits sodomy with the boy after the marriage, as a precaution, they will become haraam for him.
nedloh325 8 months ago
@nedloh325 Hmph. If it was the Old Testament both the man, the boy, and the mother/sister would be stoned to death.
drrobertoboogie97 7 months ago
@drrobertoboogie97 There is a lot of "God ordained violence" in the Old Testament, which is why I don't push Xtianity on anyone. But most of that violence is in the form of historic stories, not commandments from God for all time such as the case in Islam as ordered in the Quran & Haddiths. I know of no OT verses that order the stoning of a child who is the victim of sodomy rape from a grown man, or the mother/sister of that child victim. Perhaps you can give us the source of your claim.
nedloh325 7 months ago
@nedloh325 I'm just hypothesizing. If there was a mention of it in the OT it would probably be like what I said.
Also, God does order violence. A good example is Deuteronomy 20:17.
drrobertoboogie97 7 months ago
@drrobertoboogie97 The diff is that Jews have never taken God's orders in the OT as instructions to fight continually until the world converts to or accepts Judism as supreme. Compare this to Islam where Moh told Muslims, to "fight until ALL is for Allah, or until they pay the Jizrah, and feel themselves subdued". The OT verses were historic stories about a specific time & place, and are so interpreted by Jews. In Islam, Moh clearly meant forever, and is so interpreted by Jihadists today.
nedloh325 7 months ago
@drrobertoboogie97 That is not to say that those OT verses aren't bad. They tell of a wrathful God who orders men to kill men and to enslave their captives and steal their property. Weren't those victims of Jewish warfare, especially the women and children, just as much the creation of God as were the Jews? Still its not as evil as Islam, since Judism is a closed society with no mandate for ruling the world, gaining converts, or acquiring lands outside of a small plot in the Middle East
nedloh325 7 months ago
The Pervert Prophet on Fudge Packing Young Boys: sunnipath dot c o m / library / Hadith/ H0002P0070 dot aspx
2414. * If a baligh person commits sodomy with a boy , the mother, sister and daughter of the boy become haraam for him. And the same law applies when the person on whom sodomy is committed is an adult male, or when the person committing sodomy is na-baligh. But if one suspects or doubts whether penetration occurred or not, then the said woman would not become haraam.
cont...
nedloh325 8 months ago
The Pervert Prophet on Ejaculating on Children (Summary):
He liked em young,
and he like em old.
He liked em hot,
and he liked em cold
(The "cold" refers to the time Moh got caught naked in the coffin with his dead aunt. According to one particular haddiths (found in Bukhari, book of menstation at al-islam.net in Arabic (NOT English!), its okay to have sex with a dead person as long as you wash up afterwards.)
nedloh325 8 months ago
The Pervert Prophet on Ejaculating on Children (cont): As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his [male] member between her thighs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers..
nedloh325 8 months ago
The Pervert Prophet on Ejaculating on Children: The permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar).
After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:
cont...
nedloh325 8 months ago
jesus is our savior.
irishtubemaker2011 8 months ago
watch?v=BeC9-O0VWgk
Gospel of Barnabos preserves the monotheism of Jesus peace be upon him's time and every other messeenger.
hbk711x 9 months ago
The Book of Barnabas is a known 14th century forgery. It makes references to, or gives quotes from; 100 year Jubilee(1300s), Dante's Inferno,"false and lying gods, raging hunger." Therefore the Council of Nicea chose not to put it into the final books of the bible. In addition the book takes stories from the Gospels (NT) and alters them to falsely perpetrate the myth that Muhammad was mentioned in the bible. I pray muslims find God's love and grace.
ndependentwoman 9 months ago
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@ndependentwoman
Story of Egyptian trinity Rah represents Sun worship of a father a son and mother, who was born 12/25, on the alinement of stars, was crucified and resurrected after 3 days, predicted by 3 kings.
He is blind in 1 eye, sign of the Antichrist in Islam, this is why the $ bill NWO sign has 1 eye above the pyramid of Egypt. Satan sermons on sunrise and set.
X-tians pray on the Sun-day, pagan + satanic links are clear.
Jesus peace be upon him is Muslim innocent of the trinity.
hbk711x 9 months ago
@ndependentwoman
Th council of NIcea and Paul changed the monotheism os thwe message of Jesus Christ PEace be upon him, just put Jesus Christ peace be upon him preostrates, he prays like a Muslim, there was always one creator, there was never three thats pagan.
hbk711x 9 months ago
@hbk711x -My statement was in response to the Book of Barnabas, not the trinity. My response was accurate and verifiable. Also, there was no Muslim religion at the time of Christ, therefore he prayed like himself. Later Muslims modeled their prayers after him, not vice-versa.
ndependentwoman 9 months ago
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טז חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם.
فمه هو الأكثر الحلو؛ نعم، تماما انه هو محمد. هذا هو بلدي الحبيب، وهذا هو صديقي يا بنات أورشليم '.
[16] His words are the most loved: yea, he is most definantly Muhammad [מַחֲמַדִּים]
. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem. soung of soungs
hallalmart 10 months ago
Haha. Hilarious that Muzzies try to deny the lie of Islam by using another lie like the "Gospel of Barnabas", which like the Quran is full of contradictions & errors. Some even contradict the Quran itself! Ex: Mary's pain at childbirth... Quran, 19:23) "and the pains of childbirth drove her into the trunk of a palm tree" ... Barnabas Chpt 3 "The virgin was surrounded by a light exceeding bright, and brought forth her son without pain"
The pervert prophet was a liar Muslims. Wake up!
nedloh325 11 months ago
@nedloh325 muslims do not believe in hole bible.Quran tells us to beleive what is common.Even current books of bible contradict each another.
soyabmd 11 months ago
@soyabmd U said, "Even current books of bible contradict each other". If that is true, then at least one of such contradictory passages cannot be from God, since God would never contradict himself or lie. This is also more proof that the Quran, hence Islam, is not from God. It contradicts itself dozens of times, and there are several verses which talk about the deceitful nature of Allah. GOD DOESN'T LIE! Mohammad lied and you've been conned.
nedloh325 11 months ago
@nedloh325 you are totally wrong.quran never contradicts itself.do you know muhammad(s) is foretold in bible?in Duet 18.18, a prophet from arabs(brethren of israel) like moses(a).
soyabmd 10 months ago
@nedloh325-plz proove where the Quran makes any contradictions,i've been asking many who try there best to refute the Quran & not1 person has been able to,dont get it twisted,they've put forth many suras & ayats,but have always been wronged in doing so,now its ur turn,PROOVE IT,then u laugh & say that the gospel of barnabas is a book muslims brought forth,but in actual fact it is a book written by a genuine follower of jesus himself,ask urself this why was it hidden by that pope in the 1st place
mrdedat1 10 months ago
@mrdedat1 The funniest contradiction is the one where the pervert prophet tries to explain away all the contradictions: 2:106 - "Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it.." Other translators fall all over themselves trying to minimize the pure stupidity of this feeble excuse. Ali & Pickthall changed "whatever" it to "NONE & "NOTHING" of our verses do we abrogate..." Continued...
nedloh325 10 months ago
@mrdedat1 "contradictions in Quran - cont) Are Muzzies so brain dead that they can't understand that a perfect God who was authoring the perfect book to be a guide for mankind would never need to abrogate, cause to be forgotten, or substitute anything he said with something better?!?! By making up this verse, Moh not only relied on your stupidity to fall for such a clear lie, he insults the God he claims to speak for! IF IT'S PERFECT IN THE 1ST PLACE, THERES NO NEED FOR ANY OF THAT!
nedloh325 10 months ago
@nedloh325
Allah the Sole creator revealed teh religion slowly for the situations you nutjob, learn to read , you're only making a monkey of yourself like those aetheists that think they came from them.
Whose faith are you calling perverted to freaky hypocrite,
duetoronomy
If a man rapes a virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels of silver and then marry her. 22:28
Judah commits adultery with "stocks and stones." 3:9 Jeremiah
All the concubones and incest in the bible.
hbk711x 9 months ago
@hbk711x "Allah created the religion slowly" Is that your answer to why Allah changed verses, caused them to be forgot, or substituted somethng with something else? You have dutifully bought the lies the apologists have fed you. God doesn't need to reveal over time that Jews & Christians would go to heaven, & then change it to hell. God doesn't need to reveal over time that alcohol is okay, but then not okay. God doesn't need to reveal over time that there is no compulsion in religion, cont
nedloh325 9 months ago
@hbk711x cont... and then tell Muslims to kill apostates. The simpliest answer to the question of abrogation is the right answer. The reason "Allah" changed his mind was because the pervert prophet, like all pathelogical liars, couldn't keep up with his multitude of lies. He conned you, and he created a cult of murder & death. As far as your attacks on the Bible, go ahead & attack. I don't care what Muslims convert to, as long as they convert AWAY from the evil cult of the pervert prophet.
nedloh325 9 months ago
@nedloh325
So you are anti-truth you bitter and tiwsted.
Alchohol never allowed,
RELigion was revived adn revealed slwoly same way you learn, you for ex, can't read the enitre Quran in one sitting w/ a busy time in life, however you read peice be peice , hence it was revelaed this way as problems came, ISlam is always peaceful, only retaliates to evil, such as your lies and hatred for truth. Jews and X-tians themselves call each other lost, how about that but unite on hate. How about that!
hbk711x 8 months ago
@hbk711x "Alcohol never allowed". Except for when pervert prophet changed his mind & added verses which did not forbid it: 4:42 - "do not approach Salat while intoxicated"... doen't disallow, just restricts what to do. 16:67 - "& from the fruits of the palm tree, you make wine & good provision. In that is a sign of people who comprehend." Actually compliments drinkers! And then there's Mohs heavenly brothel, with "rivers of wine" (& unlimited sex for men only): 47:15
nedloh325 8 months ago
@hbk711x And finally, concerning your statement, "alcohol NEVER allowed" (I capitalized 'never'), the haddith from Bukhari: Vol 6, # 162: "Some people drank alcohol in the morning of the Uhud battle,... that was BEFORE wine was prophibited." Of course, you say that changes were made slowly, as people learned. But the Quran also describes itself as "timeless", which makes your arguement just more hot air from a Muslim apologist seeking to explain away the lies of the pervert prophet.
nedloh325 8 months ago
@hbk711x "You are anti-truth & bitter . This from a person who's own holy book repeatedly brags about the deceitful skills of its God & how he propogates hatred: 3:54: "and Allah is the best of deceivers". Allah's lies actually cause people to sin & go to hell: 40:23&32,32:13,18:57,17:46 and about xtians being united on hate, please provide evidence from Bible where Jesus ordered it, like Moh did with many verses of hate: 5:60, 7:166,2:65:Jews are apes & pigs. Bukhari 54:524:Jews are rats
nedloh325 8 months ago
@hbk711x "revealed slowly same way you learn". Why don't you study some of the dozens of abrogations to see how that ridculous excuse makes absolutely no sense - that there is no reason why a real God couldn't get it right the 1st time: 8:66 vs 8:65 (Just how much "slow time" was there between thiese verses? Couldn't your God get his math to stay consistent for a single verse? Clearly, this example shows the words of a rambling idiot who can't remember what he just said. You've been conned.
nedloh325 8 months ago
@hbk711x Here are some more times where your God changed his mind (so people could 'slowly' learn, no doubt): 2:185 vs 2:184 (another change only 1 verse later); 2:234 vs 2:240 (God gave people a whole 6 verses to 'slowly' learn this time); 2:285 vs 2:284 and 58:13 vs 58:12 (Back to 1 verse slow learning); 73:20 vs 73:2-3 (wow! 13 verses to slowly adapt). Also, 3:85-86 & 9:73 vs 2:62,2:256 & 5:69; 4:11-12 vs 2:180 & 2:240; 9:29 vs 2:109 & 60:8-9; 9:36 vs 2:217 & 45:14; 24:2 vs 4:15-17
nedloh325 8 months ago
@hbk711x In summary, you excuse that abrogation allowed people to "slowly learn" has been proven to be a false excuse. The real reason for abrogation in the quran and Islam is because it was created by a man, with any normal man's proclivity to make mistakes. When confronted with contradictions, he tried to explain them away with his "abrogation" verses, which only further proves that he was a con artist, who used violence to force his followers to stay in the fold. I pity you.
nedloh325 8 months ago
@nedloh325-why is it that of all the followers of jesus,only those documents that tell not the comming of the last prophet were used & those that do r not,why did paul exclude the writtings of barnabas when he knew that he was telling the truth,why does the catholic bible which has 73 books including barnabas in it,recognizes barnabas & the protastants bible dont,these r legitamen question to which many christians dont want to answer,maybe ul b a good bible thumper & explain it to the masses
mrdedat1 10 months ago
@mrdedat I'm not a Bible thumper & am not trying to convert anyone ot xtianity - only away from the evil cult of the pervert prophet. The Gospel of Barnabas is NOT in the Catholic Bible. You are misinformed. Please provide a Catholic website that shows such if you know of one. Maybe you're thinking about the "Epistle" of Barnabas, a completely different book, but that is not in the Catholic Bible either as far as I know. See answering-islam d o t org/green/barnabas.htm for proof.
nedloh325 10 months ago
in the old Testament God announce that the Messiah is the Son of God..Psalms 2:7Jesus is the Son of God cause God himself said it....LK 9:35..Matthew 3:17 the Angel Gabriel told Mary that the child is the Son of God....Luke 1:26-33...God reveal to Peter that Jesus is the son of God...Matthew 16: 15-17...Jesus himself said he is the Son of God....John 10 33-38..especially verse 36..and Jesus confess to the high Priest that he was the Son of God....Lk 22:70 Mark 14: 61-62 Matt 26:63-64..
njfreddy 1 year ago
Tell me any verse having "Trinity" First so called religious leaders forged this term and it was Jesus, Merry and Father now it is Jesus, holy Ghost and Father but how you will prove that there is trinity? Give a single proof or give a single saying of Jesus (PBUH) saying that "I am God worship me" If father means sustainer, all human kind has one Father, God, Allah but not in that sense that God has sexual relation and beget a Son. In bible there ans Son of God in tons,
yamamooto1 1 year ago
@yamamooto1 Christians never said, the Holy Trinity is Father, Jesus & Mary; that is a mistake of Mhmd in understanding the Christian faith. Christians have never believed that Jesus was born by a sexual union. That is another misunderstanding by Muslims. The Holy Trinity is a word that is used to describe God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus did claim to be God when He said, "I Am the Good Shepherd." Jesus said, "only God is good." Psalms 22 says, God is the Shepherd of believers.
evo55 1 year ago
@yamamooto1 Jesus told His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit; Matthew 28:19. The word Holy Trinity was created by the apostolic Church to describe this mystery of God. The apostolic Church has authority from Christ to teach all nations.
evo55 1 year ago
God is the One n Only the creator(not creators) The supreme the Most High,Exalted be his Majesty,the king of kings,Unique(Nothing is the like of Him) Great,God is not apart of His creation,He see All The seen n Unseen,hears All the heard n unheard n Knows of all things In the heavens n Earth! God is not a Man nor an object God is pure n perfect God is the first n Last,God is the self subsisting the self Existing Eternal Being Infinite Unlimited Power of all God is One,the Most Merciful! Amen
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@ilsaliba You should study the Bible instead of listening to Muslim propagandists who are ignorant of the meaning of Bible verses. I have studied the Bible for many yrs, I can assure you there is no mention of Muhammed in the Bible. Isaiah, Hagai and Ezekiel do not mention the coming of Muhammed. You need to show what verses you are referring to in these books, so that I can explain to you their true meaning.
evo55 1 year ago
and you gotta love how 3-4 people use the word proven and all of a sudden everyone like sheep just blindly follow and say yeah, its fake or its proven without researching it themselves.
NoDropLS 1 year ago
make the text a different color, cant read white on white.
NoDropLS 1 year ago
Elohim is one God but it is in "Plural of Respact"
yamamooto1 1 year ago
@yamamooto1 The "plural of respect" comes from the inner truth in men's hearts that recognizes God as a Holy Trinity.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 there is nothing as holy trinity in heart or in the universe. you people even dont have firm beleif on trinity because it is natual that a person should believe on one Single God (Elohim, Allah), Ok how you will prove that there is trinity? You even not sure whether Jesus (PBUH) was crucified or not You are all spending your life on baseless stories and being just emotional!! Just emotinal on self giving of Jesus so keep on weping and being emotional. You wil se truth at Judgement day
yamamooto1 1 year ago
@yamamooto1 Christians do believe in one God. We believe in one God who eternally exists as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We are sure that Jesus was crucified and that Muhammed is a false prophet. We don't have to wait till Judgement Day to know the truth. We know that Islam is cursed by God and is a curse on humanity. Islam keeps Muslims ignorant and far away from God. Islam turns Muslims into terrorists. Islam makes Muslims riot after praying in the mosque, just as is happening in Egypt.
evo55 1 year ago
@DrXoz 6- this book gospel of Barnabas points at islam.
Is it? do you know it contradicts both Quran and Bible by claiming Jesus is not Messiah.
yeshuathenazarene 1 year ago
@yeshuathenazarene I never said I accepted the entire gospel of barnabas. There are certain verses which I do not agree with just like in the todays bible.
DrXoz 1 year ago
@DrXoz The Gospel of Barnabas is a proven forgery written @ 15th century in Europe. This has been determined by scholars who have studied it's many errors which prove it was written by a convert to Islam who did not understand that Christ means Messiah. The Gospel of Barnabas has Jesus Christ denying he is the Messiah instead it is Muhammed who is the Messiah . This false gospel also mentions wine being stored in wooden barrels which was not the custom in 1st century Judea but only in Europe.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 No it does not claim that Mohammad is the Messiah because Islam even believes that Jesus (PBUH) is the Messiah. It was not proven as fake, research it my friend and find a copy, educate yourself. Muslims are forbidden to quote false words or false versus that they CLAIM to be from God so this so called "Muslim Convert" Would not have done this and that is just an excuse christians make up because they can't handle the truth, It is in 2 Museums for the sake of God open your eyes!
Gasterad12 1 year ago
@Gasterad12 The Gospel of Barnabas does quote Jesus Christ denying that he is the Messiah, and instead saying it is Muhammed who is the Messiah. This fake gospel also speaks of wine being stored in wooden barrels, which is a sign this gospel was not written in 1st century Judea but centuries later in Europe. Muslim converts are gullible people who make things up out of ignorance and their desire to spead Islam. The Gospel of Barnabas proves that Muslims have no love for God or the truth.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 i dont believe that gospel of barnabas says that jesus is not messiah...even the qor'an says that he is the messiah not mohammad...and also...this gospel is written in the 1st century ad...how could barnabas know of mohammad in that period? dont u think?
khalilrabee 1 year ago 4
@khalilrabee The scholars who have studied the Gospel of Barnabas believe it was written by a convert to Islam who wasn't yet familiar will all Islamic teachings. This convert to Islam misunderstood that Islam does not deny that Jesus is the Messiah. The scholars also determined the Gospel of Barnabas was written in 15th century Europe since it refers to wine being stored in wooden barrels (wine was stored in clay jars in 1st century Judea)and contains references to Dante's "Divine Comedy".
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 perhaps...i didnt read all of it...
but anyway...if it was written in the 1st century what would u expect the christian scholars to say? "yes its true for 1700 years we and our ancestors lied to u...jesus is not god but a massenger."? ofcourse they wouldnt say that :) why would they tell the truth? they lie to themselves so dont u think they can lie to anyone?
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee Any secular scholar would also determine the Gospel of Barnabas to be a forgery written @ 15th century in Europe. There are significant errors in this fake gospel that prove it was not written in the 1st century Judea nor by any disciple of Jesus. You an your ancestors did not lie. You and your ancestors were fooled by Muhammed and his lies in the Quran. Muhammed was an ignorant man who never studied the Bible. He lied when he said the angel Gabriel gave him a book from God.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 who cares about the gospel of barnabas? i told u islam doesnt need that gospel to prove itself...
ppl believed in islam 1400 which is long before discovering gospel of barnabas
khalilrabee 1 year ago
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@khalilrabee People were fooled by Islam before being fooled by the Gospel of Barnabas. Jesus tells us we must love God with all our mind by studying the holy scriptures(Bible). Those who love God with all their mind are not fooled by false prophets like Muhammed.
evo55 1 year ago
@khalilrabee Islam is a false religion that can only be supported by false books invented by Muslims. The Christian faith is supported by true books inspired by the God.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 i dont think a book written at least 40 years after jesus, whom author never saw jesus is the word of god my friend...and islam doesnt need the gospel of barnabas to prove itself..the qor'an proves itself...
it clearly says "if you doubt that its a word from god then make up a surah like it"...
if u my friend claim that the qor'an is false then its man made...which means that anyone can create a qor'an but noone did...but u can do it go ahead
khalilrabee 1 year ago 4
@khalilrabee The Bible contains surahs that are far superior to those of the Quran. 1 Corinthians, chapter 13 written by Paul is far superior to any surah invented by Muhammed. Muslims must study the Bible, so they can realize the superiority of the Bible over the Quran. A book written 40 yrs after Jesus can contain original accounts from the life of Christ. The fact they were finally written down in a gospel doesn't mean they did not first exist as an oral tradition or written in another form.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 yes but there were many gospels written before paul...and then paul...he was a disciple of a disciple so i ask again which is best to believe the disciple or the disciple or the disciple? and paul never said anything about trinity that was invented in the 3rd century
i dont know if u know arabic and actualy read the qor'an or maybe ur talking about a translation of the qor'an which is actualy an explanation not the qor'an itself...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 4
@khalilrabee Most fake gospels come from the 2nd century, after the time of Paul. Paul was not a disciple of a disciple but converted by a miraculous encounter with Christ. Paul was a disciple of Christ and accepted as a genuine apostle by the first disciples of Jesus. Paul did not use the word "Trinity" but does teach about the Father, Son & Holy Spirit as being God. The word "Holy Trinity" was later created by the Church to describe the mystery of the one God who is Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 so ur saying theres a trinity and a holy trinity...
there were gospels written before paul man and u cant prove that paul saw a holy spirit...
prove that the bible is the word of god through the bible itself...u cant see paul because hes dead and u cant see the holy spirit...
how can a one god be a father a son and a holy spirit? the one god is one has no sons of fathers
khalilrabee 1 year ago 4
@khalilrabee There is only one Holy Trinity who is God. The Gospel existed before Paul became a Christian. The Gospel was preached by the first disciples of Jesus who receieved it from Jesus. No man can see the Holy Spirit, but we can only see it's effects. Jesus said, the Holy Spirit is like the wind of God that blows whever He wishes, we see the effects in miracles and holy lives of people. It is the Holy Spirit that has produced more Christian saints than any other religion has produced.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 yes but jesus didnt say "the holy spirit is god which is me which is god" did he?
khalilrabee 1 year ago 4
@khalilrabee Jesus did't reveal all msyteries in detail. He gave that mission to the Holy Spirit who would be sent to Christians after Christ returned to heaven. The Holy Spirit is our Teacher and Guide who guides us unto all Truth. Jesus did tell His disciples to baptize new believers in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 yes but also the bible says that "god doesnt drive ppl into confusion" right? and the trinity cant be understood not by a 3 year old nor by a 60 year old by anyone...
so why does god drive ppl into confusion?
the bible doesnmt even say anything about trinity
khalilrabee 1 year ago 4
@khalilrabee The Bible tells us that the glory of God is to hide a matter so that only those who are worthy may seek it out and find it; Proverbs 25:2. Jesus spoke in parables for this reason. The Bible says that God is not the author of confusion, as in "pandemonium". The Bible does speak of God as a mystery, and even Islam describes God as Allah al-Batin, the Hidden One.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 al-batim, the hidden one because we cant see him but the qor'an literally doesnt create confusion its clear and direct...
why would god speak so mysterious if he wants salvation for ppl? the thing is that noone understand the trinity why? not even u...why?
is god bad acording to the bible? a deciever?
khalilrabee 1 year ago 4
@khalilrabee Why should you care if God is a deceiver? The Quran states that Allah is the best of deceivers. He deceived Mary into believeing Jesus was killed on the cross, when someone else was killled by mistake.
evo55 1 year ago
@khalilrabee The Quran does create confusion. The Quran confuses Muslims into believeing the Quran is from God when it is really but the conjectures of Muhammed. The Quran is not clear and direct, it's the reason there are so many sects in Islam. God wants all people to be saved. All that is necessary is to believe what God has spoken through the prophets about the Messiah. The Messiah is the Servant of the Lord who suffers & dies for the sins of the people as foretold by the prophet, Isaiah.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 man are we talking about sects or the qor'an? if u tell me that the qor'an is false then prove that it is false...noone could and noone did in 1400 years...
but the bible my friend has recorded history of continous editiing over time, verses added and verses removed...
and the bible states that whoever edits the bible will be cursed but noone of the ppl who edited it got cursed my friend so i dot think thats the word of god but what some ppl believe to be the word of god
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee The Quran is false. The Quran confuses the two Maryams of the Bible and makes them into one woman. Maryam, the daughter of Imran and sister of Aaron is not the mother of Jesus but lived centuries before Jesus was born. The Bible has not been corrupted as you mistakenly believe, not even Muhammed believed it to be corrupted. He believed the Christians had the true scriptures(Quran 5:46,47,68). Muhammed curses Christians in Quran 9:30 but the curse is really on Muhammed and Islam.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 yes he believed that the christians had the true gospel...even we muslims believe so...somewhere hidden...
the bible U HAVE is corrupted...
if the qor'an is corrupted then prove it...
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee If Muslims believe the Christians who lived in the 7th century had the true Gospel, then they have to believe the Latin Vulgate Bible and other ancient Bibles do have the true Gospel. The Latin Vulgate Bible and other ancient Bibles date from the 4th century and contain the same Gospel message as in modern Bibles. If Muslims believe the modern Bible is corrupted, then they must prove it by finding an ancient Bible that supports the teachings of Islam. However, they will find none.
evo55 1 year ago
@khalilrabee Allah al-Batin was hidden in Isa al-Masih. He has been revealed as one God with the Father by the Holy Spirit.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 thats ur belief my friend the qor'an says "tell christians not say 3"...
not even the bible says anything about trinity not even the torah says anythig about trinity...
pagan beliefs speak about trinity so there is no trinity im sorry
khalilrabee 1 year ago 4
@khalilrabee The Torah tells us that God appeared to Abraham in the form of three men; Genesis 18:1-3. This story in the Bible is a referrence to Allah, the Holy Trinity.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 first of all muslims dont believe that christians of the 7th century had the true gospel otherwise god wouldnt have sent us a new revelation through mohammad...
second of all in the ot god didnt apear as 3 men to abraham it was god and 2 angels so dont mess things up...
u studed the bible for years i havent studied it i just read half of it once but i remember the stories...
there is no trinity and even if god apeared as 3 men that would mean there is no son nor holy spirit...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 3
@khalilrabee The fact is Christians did have the true Gospel in the 7th centrury and God never sent a new revelation through Muhammed. Muhammed never studied the Gospel but even he believed the Christians had the true Gospel. But he only mistakenly accused the Christians of hiding the truth of the Gospel. Muhammed believed his Quran was sent to confirm the Gospel but not to correct it.
evo55 1 year ago
@khalilrabee The Son and Holy Spirit are sometimes spoken of as angels in the Bible. The story of Abraham's three visitors is to be seen as an allusion to the Holy Trinity, in that in some instances they speak as one.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 but the truth is that god never apeared to anyone and in the bible story it was god and 2 angels...
christian statements never make any sense, its like a mad man saying crazy things that he can not think of...
muslim propagandists say the truth about the christian theology while christians need to apeal to lies and defamation of islam in order to get more ppl to convert...check "fake ex muslim exposed' videos...ull see what i mean...
any person who is mentally healthy and...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 6
@khalilrabee You wrote, "but the truth is god never appeared to anyone in the Bible story, it was god and 2 angels." It seems you are the one who does not make any sense. Either God appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18 or He did not; make up your mind.
evo55 1 year ago
@khalilrabee Muslims propagandists misunderstand Christian theology. They are only able to fool ignorant and gullible people like themselves. The Gospel of Barnabas is a good example.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 1. mohammad didnt study any gospel or torah he couldnt read and he was a busy merchant...
2. u say catholics pray to saitns for their help...we muslims pray only to god...thats a form of idolworshiping...
3. depicting jesus and mary and praying for statues and paintings representing them is idolworshiping.
4. mohammad did recieve a revelation...the last testament
khalilrabee 1 year ago 11
@khalilrabee The fact that Muhammed never studied the Bible disqualifies him as a prophet of God. Allah would never send an ignorant man with His holy message, especially one who was not an Israelite. The fact that Muhammed was a merchant makes him a con man. Jesus expelled the merchants from the Jewish Temple for making God's house into a den a thieves. Islam is a den a thieves created by Muhammed.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 ur using arguemments that totally prove that mohammad is a prophet...the fact that he couldnt read the bible proves that he didnt copy anything...and who said the prophets must be israelites? and who said that god needs the bible in order to have authority and chose a prophet? does god need anything?
khalilrabee 1 year ago 4
@khalilrabee Muhammed didn't study the Bible or Talmud but did borrow some stories that he heard from Christians and Jews. These stories are retold in a confused and mixed up manner in the Quran. There are other stories in the Quran that were borrowed from apocryphal gospels such as the story of Jesus speaking as an infant from the cradle. The confused and erroneous stories in the Quran are further proof that Muhammed was not a prophet of God but a con man who took advantage of ignorant people.
evo55 1 year ago
@khalilrabee The true prophets from the line of Abraham must be Israelites, for God has promised to bless all nations through Isaac , the son born of Abraham's faith. God has declared that only the descendants of Isaac are the true children of Abraham (Genesis 21:12).
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 like i said noone made them saints not jesus not god except for the church...and who made those gospels apocryphal? the church? the church is lieing to u about saints...
apocryphal or whatever gospels...the council of nicea burned 300 gospels...why did they chose 4 plus the book of paul and not just one?
my friend...i hope ull open ur eyes and the least u could do is read the qor'an...:)
khalilrabee 1 year ago 4
@khalilrabee The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit in determining which scriptures are inspired by God and which scriptures are to be rejected. The apocryphal gospels from which Muhammed borrowed some stories, were never accepted into the Bible.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 the church my friend is the house of the greatest evil ppl...they chose 4 gospels+the book of paul because these were the only ones that could fit into their doctrine that works til our days...the same thing than happend in the dark ages happens now with the christians but in a different form...who are u to say that mohammad had no authority from god? and what does that mean? in fact has all authority and does what he wishes and gives revelation to whomever he wishes
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@evo55 to not understand something that can not be understood like the trinity isnt lack of knowledge..
u dont understand it nor the pope understand it and nobody can understand something that can not be understood...
the simple fact that the bible is full of sex stories is a proof that theres no inspiration from god, plus contradictions and things that contradict science...check ezechiel 23:1-21...see what it says with ur own eyes...god gives details about porn scenes? i dont think so
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee Muslims can't understand E=mc2, therefore they can't understand Allah, the Holy Trinity; it is foolishness to them. They don't accept the Bible even though Muhammed tells us to believe in it. They would rather believe the porn in the Quran where Muhammed has sex with his adopted son's wife.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo5 porn in the qor'an? estaghfer allah....
read ezechiel 23:1-21...see the real porn...god gives details about places 2 women were touched by their lovers...
and it also tells us how their penis' were..."like those of donkeys and imitions like those of horses"...
thats the word of god to u right?estaghfer allah...have u evr readthe whole bible to see how it instructs on how to rape ur sister and mother? my god man...im sure u never have u just speak rubish...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee Muhammed did not believe there was porn in the Bible. He believed the Quran was sent to confirm the previous scriptures; Quran 5:46,47.48. Study the Bible, ignorant Muslim. There are no instructions on how to rape your mother or sister. You speak rubbish out of your ignorant and confused mind.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 ok why dont u just read the bible? i read it and theres also instructions fr women who want to have sex with their fathers....yes...many porn scenes...but u never read the bible and mohammad didnt have to believe anything about te bible theres nothing to be copied from it...
and how could he know theres porn in the bible if he couldnt even read? and what difference does it make? u have ur bible read it...ull become an atheist aftarwards...
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee I have read the Bible. The Bible does give instructions on what is immoral and moral in sexual relations. The Bible condemns immorality like that committed by Muhammed who married his adopted son's wife. Muhammed never studied the Bible, though he did believe it was sent from God.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 u know what...ur just another example of christian doctrine well planted in ppls minds...
god gives u instructions on how to rape ur sister right? go teach that to a child...and how a woman can have sex wih her father...
dont reply to me anymore...go worship the church and the satanic pope
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee The Quran contains instructions on how to become a terrorist. Therefore many who convert to Islam commit acts of terrorism.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 ur talking nonsense...first u say porn then terrorism...mohammad never said the bible u have is word of god...adopted son isnt ur son ur not his father thats why god allowed him to marry her...to brek this concept...
and yes there is porn and ur afraid of reding ur own bible because ur afraid of what u might find in it...u don even read ur own bible and yet u say ur a christian...shame...
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@evo55 u never read ur own book and u dare talk about qor'an...weres the porn in qor'an tell me...
u just read ezechiel 23:1-21 and if u want more ill tell u more...
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee There's no porn in the Bible, Muhammed says the Bible is God's word. Muhammed also said God allowed him to marry his adopted sons' wife. This is a blasphemy since God does not allow for family members to marry and have sex. God also does not allow for men to divorce their wives, except for adultery. Zaid should not have divorced Zainab. Therefore Muhammed commited adultery with Zainab who was in God's eyes still married with Zaid.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 theres no trinity in any of the gospels thats the churches interpretation no verse says clearly theres a trinity and no verse says that jesus said "im god worship me, have me as saviour etc..."
u worship the church and the pope not god...
did jesus himself say "listen to whatever the church says"? no...the pope puts words in jesus's mouth...shame...
jesus was a great prophet one of gods favourites and he will return and he will tell everyone that he never said to be god...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 3
@khalilrabee The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are mentioned in the Gospel. Jesus does claim to be God in John 8:58. He also says we must worship the Son as the Father is worshipped. Jesus tells us, we must believe in the Son of God to be saved. Jesus said, we must listen to the Church for God speaks through the Church. Jesus was the greatest of the prophets and the Son of God who died for our salvation as foretold by the prophet, Isaiah. Muslims must read and believe Isaiah 53 to be saved.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 john 8:58 is a verse that has been removed from the gospel because christian scholars agreed upon the fact that this verse was included much later and its not found in ancient scriptures...before speaking about the qor'an read ur own bibles history, also the verse which says that god is "father son and holy spirit" was removed for the same reason...acording to christian theology if u say "son, father and holy spirit" or "holy spirit, father and son" is a blasphemy...why? 1 god =father
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee John 8:58 has not been removed from the Gospel, though ignorant Muslims may want to believe so. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are also in the Gospel and have not been removed. They are in the same Gospel that Muhammed tells us to believe in, judge by and hold fast to.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 not only muslims dont understand the trinity...u dont understand the trinity noone understands the trinity and theres no such thing as trinity in the bible....
theres "hear ow israel the father ur lord is one"
no trinity and noone understands the trinity...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee The Hebrew word for "one" can include more than one person in a single entity; Genesis 2:24. The one Lord God of Israel is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 do u even speak hebrew? cause i speak arabic and hebrew languege structure is the same as arabic languege...and i tell u thats a stupidity in no languege can be equal to 3...
that verse speaks about a family and more specificly about adams and eves family...one body=one family...
dont start searching everywhere to see where u can find these ambigous verses they are not talking about any trinity...
khalilrabee 1 year ago 2
@khalilrabee Genesis 1:24 speaks about the spiritual mystery of marriage that reveals the mystery of God. Man is made in the image of God. The male and female together reveal the mystery of God. The human family reveals the mystery of the Holy Trinity. Father, Mother and Child are a holy trinity made in the image of God. The Torah contains many divine mysteries which Muslims are blind to understand.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 so the son is the wife of the father and the holy spirit is their son right? u compair god to a family? mariage? man wake up...
god made us in his image? this monkey image? does god go to toilet? cant u realise what ur saying? dont reply to me anymore pls
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee The Torah states that man (male and female) is made in God's image. Your problem is you cannot understand the spiritual massage of the Torah. You only prove your hypocrisy and unbelief in the message of Moses. Muslims are the greatest of unbelievers for they do not love God with all their mind. They remain in ignorance of the truth and slaves to darkness.
evo55 1 year ago
@khalilrabee You are confused. The Son is not the wife of the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit the child of the Father and Son. God, the Father is the chief male principal who begets the Son through the Holy Spirit, who is the female principal.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 lol as long as i believe in a single god ill never be confused...but ur the one who is confused and not even u understand the trinity...do u even realise what ur saying? so the holy spirit is the wife of the father and the son is their begotten son and yet u claim that god is one? ur a politheist...
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee You'll continue to be deluded into a false sense of worship by following Islam. Jesus tells us we must worship God in Spirit and in Truth, otherwise our worship is in vain. I never said the Holy Spirit is the wife of the Father. You're taking things to literally by misunderstanding the spirtual metaphors used in the Bible. You must love God with all your mind by studying the Bible and leave behind the ignorance that keeps you trapped in Islam.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 yes i believe jesus said that to worship only god the father and do not associate anything with him in worshiping or saying that god is a third out of 3, and he never said "worship me" in fact he said "hear ow israel, god ur lord is one"..1 god not 3 in 1 not 1 in 3 no trinity..this is the churchs invention and not even u or th church understand what a trinity could be...thats politheism and idolworshiping
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee What you believe about Jesus is wrong since it is based on the ignorant conjectures of Muhammed. Of course, Jesus never said "God is a third out of three.' That is a misunderstanding of Muhammed. Jesus said, God is one in three. Jesus also never said, "I am not God, do not worship me." Jesus never denied being God and accepted the worship of his followers. He blessed those who believed and worshipped Him as God, and forgave their sins.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 It's Not Muhammad(saw) who wrote the Quran but it is the Word of God almighty revealed to Muhammad! Jesus never mention or spoke about the trinity at All!U lying Devils,Satan has mislead u n deceived U! God is the Most High Not a Human being who defecated n urinated thinks of the Blasphemy things Christians say about God lowering Him to a mere Man,disgusting!In the Bible it says God sent his"son",David was the son of God too u take it literally it Son of God means servant of God,Idiot!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc The many errors and blasphemies in the Quran prove it is not the word of God but the words of an ignorant man who never studied the Bible. The Bible does indeed call the Israelites "sons of God"; so then, why does Muhammed condemn this in his Quran(Surah 9:30)? Didn't Muhammed know that the Bible uses the term "son of God"? He is the idiot for not studying the Bible!
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 Who does Muhammad Condemn? No One! Only God has the authority to Condemn,U Pauline pagan!God never condemn all of children of Israel but those of the Sabbath who broke God commands n those who reject the Last Testament n the Seal of Prophet/Messenger(Muhammad(saw))!Stop trying to assume things, The bible Is not !00% The word of God but a distorted n rewritten forgery of the original Torah/Gospel! read the Quran u will see the truth God willingly! Peace
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc Read for yourself Quran 9:30 in which Muhammed curses Jews and Christians for saying God has a son. Mhmd was an ignorant man who never studied the Bible; his Quran is filled with blasphemy & error. God did condemn the Jews but not for breaking the Sabbath. God condemned the Jews for not showing mercy & love to the poor & oppressed. God called the Jews hypocrites for only observing the Sabbath but not loving their brother. Jesus came to teach us to love all people, including enemies.
evo55 1 year ago
@moeazysgc The Bible has not been distorted as Muslims mistakenly claim. The Bible read by modern Christians is the same Bible used in the time of Muhammed. He tells Christians to judge by, obey and hold fast to their scriptures (Quran 5:46,47,66,68). There is no evidence that the Bible was corrupted before or after the time of Muhammed. Love God by studying the Bible and you will realize the Truth. Don't assume the Quran is from God or Muhammed is the prophet God. Peace, Love and Truth
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 mohammad told us the exact same thing as jesus said "la ilaha illallah" no god except God, nothing to worship except God, allah and he told the same massege like jesus told but christianity is created by paul and the church and emperor constantin because the emperor couldnt accept the worshiping of 1 god so they made up the trinity...3 gods but 1 god...absolutely noone understands it not even the pope himself its illogical and irrational...
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee Muhammed did not preach the same message as Jesus. Jesus preached the need to be born again of the Holy Spirit as a son of God to inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus preached the need to love God with all our mind, and worship God in Spirit and in truth. Muhammed did not love God or study the Bible to learn the truth. Muslims are ignorant people who do not study the Bible, science or history. Muslim worship is in ignorance and vain for having been fooled by the false prophet of Islam.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 if u claim to be a monotheist then be a pure monotheist and worship god alone not trinity no statues no images...thats monotheism which is islam...
jesus never mentioned the word christianity nor the word bible, the bible itself never mentions the word chirtisaniy nor bible...
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee Christians do worship God alone. Haven't you learned that Christianity is considered by scholars to be the greatest of the monotheist religions? Your ignorance of Christianity is causing you to be fooled by Islam, a false religion invented by an ignorant man who never studied the Bible. Jesus did mention the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He did say that salvation only is found in knowing the Father and the Son. Islam denies the Father and the Son and therefore is a false religion.
evo55 1 year ago
@evo55 man u keep twisting ur statements...once u say that u pray to saints for help and when i tell u to pray to god alone for help u tell me that im ignorant...all i can say is "may god open ur eyes and take u out of the ppl who the qor'an speaks about..."they have eyes but can not see, they have but they can not hear, and they have hearts but they can not comprehend""...i really hope one day ull realise what monotheism means and ull accept islam and become one of our family
khalilrabee 1 year ago
@khalilrabee You are ignorant person who thinks praying to a saint means that we are worshipping a saint. Praying to saint means that we are asking a saint for their help in praying to God. It is the same as asking a holy person to pray for us. The spiritual power of the saints help us in our prayers to God. You are the blind person being led by a blind prophet. You both have not studied the Bible and remain in darkness. You cannot understand that the Torah teaches trinitarian monotheism.
evo55 1 year ago