if someone attacks me rather slowly in such a very precise fashion without reacting in any way shape or form then yes i guess this stupid shit will come in handy
this is a cool video and all and i would take these lessons if i where living in fudal japan but unfortunitly now a days people will just come at you with a gun and its hard to defend yourself against that, regarless of the martial art you are taking, however i do respect the amount of training that is involved with this.
@northeasthawk There is always the possibility of being attacked by someone armed with a gun, but imo the odds are greater that you'd get attacked with fists or blunt weapon... Also, If you got the chance of being close enough from the gun attacker, you might save some lifes with this, including yours.. Well, who knows.. : D
Yes, that is partly true - ninjutsu is not a martial art - but that does not mean that maybe some ninja or ci ke (chinese ninja equivalent) might have used some techniques of for example taijutsu or Kendo to facilitate an escape. So to use these techniques they had to train them too, so martial arts were in a way part of Ninjutsu the same like today martial arts are part of navy seal training.
"Yes, that is partly true - ninjutsu is not a martial art "
you mean, Yes that is ENTIRELY true, there is no part of my statement that is erroneous.
"but that does not mean that maybe some ninja or ci ke (chinese ninja equivalent) might have used some techniques of for example taijutsu or Kendo to facilitate an escape. "
but such a thing would NOT mean that those things suddenly BECOME NINJUTSU...
such a broad definition is rather boorish don't you think??
No, I mean, Yes, that is partly true - ninjutsu is not a martial art (that is the part beeing true), but not the rest you said.
"but such a thing would NOT mean that those things suddenly BECOME NINJUTSU..."
That depends on how u use the term ninjutsu (which means "the art to endure" by the way). If you use it as term for the training that some secret society (specialised maybe in gather information or assassination) gave to their members, than of course they are part of it.
you mean it depends if you use ninjutsu properly or not.
"(which means "the art to endure" by the way). "
which i agree is a fitting name, as long as you acknowledge the scrolls definition above your own.
"If you use it as term for the training that some secret society (specialised maybe in gather information or assassination)" then you would be speaking of fiction and not from factual history... name me someone assassinated by ninja
"So to use these techniques they had to train them too"
and this shows these things were taught AS PART of ninjutsu, HOW?
"so martial arts were in a way part of Ninjutsu the same like today martial arts are part of navy seal training."
but the 2 are in no way comparable. the seals EXPAND on their previous H2H combat. and their previous training does not get magically 'ported into the SEAL training books...
correct me if you can please. with sources though ;)
"and this shows these things were taught AS PART of ninjutsu, HOW?"
What do you mean? If your job is to kill somebody (in a world mostly without firearms) than it is of course necessary to know how to do your job with your sword and hand. That is how to kill him, sometimes fight him and sometimes even fighting your way out.
What you are saying is: There are other people who train with firearms too, so if a "Navy seal" does it in training it is not part of his training because...?
i mean, how does any of your butchering of japanese history PROVE that heiho is part of ninjutsu.
"What you are saying is: There are other people who train with firearms too, so if a "Navy seal" does it in training it is not part of his training because...?"
ok im glad we have got to this point, it isn't in the training.
you don't sound like someone who has read books not the manuals... bansenshukai? ninpiden? shoninki? or english 'ninja history'?
I don´t get it. The soldier having some experience in something might still have to perfect it when entering a special unit.
So I still go - Ninjutsu is not a martial art, it is a formation to get a specific kind of jobs done (see below). One (maybe not so small) part of this formation is hand to hand and weapon combat.
Don´t forget that they actually had sometimes to overcome the samurai armor and that they had to use and develop some lever techniques since strikes did´t work.
"So I still go - Ninjutsu is not a martial art, it is a formation"
WRONG, ninjutsu is a skillset, originally a SAMURAI skillset, (does the US get china to spy for them? you don't outsource intelligence) that included Espionage, Stealth, Camouflage and Sabotage.
"to get a specific kind of jobs done (see below). One (maybe not so small) part of this formation is hand to hand and weapon combat."
formation does not fit here... you need to go find out what your talking about,...
Call it formation or skillset, whatever, don´t forget that english is not one of my native languages.
"does the US get china to spy for them?" Are you serious? The Ninjas were still japanese.
"SAMURAI skillset... that included Espionage, Stealth, Camouflage and Sabotage." NO, the samurai honor code did not allow these four techniques. That´s why they needed others (special forces) to do it.
What does it have to do with the unarmed training against armored enemies? Still important.
""does the US get china to spy for them?" Are you serious? The Ninjas were still japanese."
yes and they lived in a time of city-states... my point was, you don't go to people you do not trust for intel... you seem to be misinformed about who and what shinobi were...
i suggest you check out Shinobi Soldiers, you will learn a lot more than i can fit into this comment box.
Of course you go to people you don´t trust for intel. That is the case with spies for example. 1. The information might be true 2. You might be able to verify the info 3. sometimes you just don´t have any better choice.
In the case of a paid murder you can verify the outcome of course. So why not try it? Because the assassn could tell it to your enemy? He knows that you wanna kill him anyway.
Stupid point btw. Like the one about China and US.
"In the case of a paid murder you can verify the outcome of course. So why not try it? Because the assassn could tell it to your enemy? He knows that you wanna kill him anyway."
oh no... so ignorant... name someone assassinated by shinobi, BEFORE you try to actually use this argument... and since u have a penchant for strawmen... i am NOT saying shinobi never did, but that it was NOT a staple of their duties...
Stupid point btw. Like the one about China and US.
"Even Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi (and I am not even close to his organisation) says that the taijutsu part of Ninjutsu is the less important."
and what if i showed you the closest his teacher got to ninjutsu was by reading the SAME documents i have been telling you to read? what if i showed you a letter he wrote to the head of kukishen asking to mix kuki with karate (for marketability) and calling it kukishen ninpo ??
what if tanemura (hatsumi's top student) backed it up?
"Now the 1 million dollar question: Did they fight any different?
The answer is - sometimes"
im not saying that all soldiers of a unit were cookie cutter troops, all knowing the same ryu... we are dealing with a period of mercenary troops, the shinobi were there as much to gather intel on enemies as 'allied' mercs...
@Arteanor Please think about following situations. Is there any possibility that a spy, an assassin or a saboteur had to fight: 1. Alone against multiple attackers 2. in the dark 3. surprised 4. surprised and unarmed 5. undercover (and unarmed) 6. unarmed against enemies with arms 7. unarmed against enemies with armor Makes it sense to use more lever techniques against an armored enemy? Does it make sense to be agile against multiple? To use powders that blind? etc.
@Apolonmagnus drop the assassin thing. 1, multi, sure 2. dark sure 3 never, know your enemy. 4 never be unarmed. 5 ditto 6... 7 your assuming a whole lot... did disarming happen? sure, but anything can be a weapon... rock, stick, rope... of course you would offset an opponents balance,, especially if he was in armor... that makes it easier... andblinding powder means you are not unarmed...
By surprised I meant for example in following situation. Imagine a nice young spy women sneaking out of bed after pleasuring a samurai. Going to the chamber where all the important documents are - and then be surprised maybe even half naked.
So yes, surprised (although knowing your enemy), unarmed (betcha), the enemy unarmed (maybe), the enemy armed (probably), the enemy armored (maybe). You can´t use the same strikes against armored enemies.
"Imagine a nice young spy women sneaking out of bed after pleasuring a samurai."
i would have to imagine this... it wouldnt happen... and any shinobi would be a good LIAR... ' dur.. i got lost, where am i?' meanwhile she has the documents, HIDDEN IN HER CLOTHES... why wouldnt you give yourself your tools, only a fool would do this...
if she gets caught she isnt going back for them anyways...
seems you misunderstand ninjutsu, and the culture of the time period in question.
"NO, the samurai honor code did not allow these four techniques. That´s why they needed others (special forces) to do it."
says who? your confusing honor with chivalry, something the japanese do not care for. you DO realize that any large group of troops would have shinobi sprinkled in, don't you?
regardless cite your source for this nonsense about honor codes....
ninjutsu has nothing to do with fighting... which is how we know you are clueless...
I am not clueless. It is common sense that an(y) organized army has some experts for special operations. You say it yourself - they had shinobi. That´s why I don´t understand your point. It´s what I said from the beginning. Yes, they existed. And of course they trained how to fight too. The same that today special ops troopers learn shooting. It is common sense - I don´t even have to read about it. (What I would because I am interested in details).
"You say it yourself - they had shinobi. That´s why I don´t understand your point. It´s what I said from the beginning. Yes, they existed. And of course they trained how to fight too."
RIGHT, we are on the same page so far... now how exactly can you keep your job(shinobi/spec ops) secret IF YOUR USING NINJA MA??
OF COURSE shinobi fought... but there is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that the skills to do so WERE PART OF NINJUTSU... got it? they were other ryu... of the army..
One last thing on this matter: If an organisation uses a word (like Ninjutsu) for a martial art (whichever) for 100 hundred years and it is accepted and understood by so many people than maybe this word becomes the new term for whatever they are doing. This is the development of language. So yes, this martial art they are practicing is ninjutsu because they call it that way.
I looked up your canal. I like your way to discuss with people, you would have become a great lawyer, you just never let go of things knowing everything better and using good argumentation. But don´t forget that in daily life other things matter too. Like pacience, comprehension and sympathy. Don´t be so hard on yourself, so you don´t have to be so hard on others.
"PLUS these 'techniques' are absolutely useless to a ninja, unless they're the WORST SHINOBI EVER...."
This actually is the best argument ever. I wouldn´t use these techniques myself any more. Had a lot of fun training them when I was young though. But don´t forget that lever techniques are useful against armored opponents as maybe a samurai guard.
But still I am sure they might have used techniques that looked more like modern Wing Chun if they were ever unarmed at all.
a shinobi that needed to resort to fighting has ALREADY FAILED his mission... get in, get out, no trace, including victims.
however, a new video i just saw from TSOAS2008 says his team has found evidence to support togakure actually being Takeda ryu's ambush school with a namechange...
How do I teach 12 angles of attack to my students'?
ChadC919 1 month ago
if someone attacks me rather slowly in such a very precise fashion without reacting in any way shape or form then yes i guess this stupid shit will come in handy
ooterz 2 months ago
The 3 persons who dislike the video were probably judoka lol :D
Ouarza62 6 months ago
@Ouarza62
or people who don't approve of morons SCAMMING people with lies of ninjutsu....
Creationsofmyown 3 months ago
@Creationsofmyown You are a judoka ? Ahahahahaha
Ouarza62 3 months ago
@Ouarza62
no. just someone who knows enough about ninjutsu to be able to spot that these fools are almost as fake as they come....
Creationsofmyown 3 months ago
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Ouarza62 3 months ago
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You mean that Masaaki Sensei is a fake ninjutsu master ? In the video they are from the Bujinkan
Ouarza62 3 months ago
this is a cool video and all and i would take these lessons if i where living in fudal japan but unfortunitly now a days people will just come at you with a gun and its hard to defend yourself against that, regarless of the martial art you are taking, however i do respect the amount of training that is involved with this.
northeasthawk 6 months ago
@northeasthawk There is always the possibility of being attacked by someone armed with a gun, but imo the odds are greater that you'd get attacked with fists or blunt weapon... Also, If you got the chance of being close enough from the gun attacker, you might save some lifes with this, including yours.. Well, who knows.. : D
psyckho666 3 months ago
unlike these pretenders my clan actually kill - nuff said
TheSdfgsfgs 7 months ago
hi cava
I Nasreddin from Algeria and I practice the sport Ninja Tsu
samininja1 1 year ago
FAKEY
TheLibertard 1 year ago
this is crap
Kyokushinkai all the way
craigedwards1992 1 year ago
IS ninjitsu rankin same as judo and jui-jitsu ranking
badtreasey 1 year ago
@badtreasey
nope.
ninjutsu uses the menkyo system,
the kyu/dan system used for judo is only as old as judo itself, before that it was only used in the strategy game of go.
ninjutsu isnt however a martial art... that is to say, that ninjutsu does not include fighting styles, budo, or taijutsu.
anyone selling you anything like that, is putting you on... and that unfortunately is all that is available.
Creationsofmyown 1 year ago
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Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Creationsofmyown
Yes, that is partly true - ninjutsu is not a martial art - but that does not mean that maybe some ninja or ci ke (chinese ninja equivalent) might have used some techniques of for example taijutsu or Kendo to facilitate an escape. So to use these techniques they had to train them too, so martial arts were in a way part of Ninjutsu the same like today martial arts are part of navy seal training.
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"Yes, that is partly true - ninjutsu is not a martial art "
you mean, Yes that is ENTIRELY true, there is no part of my statement that is erroneous.
"but that does not mean that maybe some ninja or ci ke (chinese ninja equivalent) might have used some techniques of for example taijutsu or Kendo to facilitate an escape. "
but such a thing would NOT mean that those things suddenly BECOME NINJUTSU...
such a broad definition is rather boorish don't you think??
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
No, I mean, Yes, that is partly true - ninjutsu is not a martial art (that is the part beeing true), but not the rest you said.
"but such a thing would NOT mean that those things suddenly BECOME NINJUTSU..."
That depends on how u use the term ninjutsu (which means "the art to endure" by the way). If you use it as term for the training that some secret society (specialised maybe in gather information or assassination) gave to their members, than of course they are part of it.
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"That depends on how u use the term ninjutsu "
you mean it depends if you use ninjutsu properly or not.
"(which means "the art to endure" by the way). "
which i agree is a fitting name, as long as you acknowledge the scrolls definition above your own.
"If you use it as term for the training that some secret society (specialised maybe in gather information or assassination)" then you would be speaking of fiction and not from factual history... name me someone assassinated by ninja
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus continued.
"So to use these techniques they had to train them too"
and this shows these things were taught AS PART of ninjutsu, HOW?
"so martial arts were in a way part of Ninjutsu the same like today martial arts are part of navy seal training."
but the 2 are in no way comparable. the seals EXPAND on their previous H2H combat. and their previous training does not get magically 'ported into the SEAL training books...
correct me if you can please. with sources though ;)
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
"and this shows these things were taught AS PART of ninjutsu, HOW?"
What do you mean? If your job is to kill somebody (in a world mostly without firearms) than it is of course necessary to know how to do your job with your sword and hand. That is how to kill him, sometimes fight him and sometimes even fighting your way out.
What you are saying is: There are other people who train with firearms too, so if a "Navy seal" does it in training it is not part of his training because...?
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"What do you mean?"
i mean, how does any of your butchering of japanese history PROVE that heiho is part of ninjutsu.
"What you are saying is: There are other people who train with firearms too, so if a "Navy seal" does it in training it is not part of his training because...?"
ok im glad we have got to this point, it isn't in the training.
you don't sound like someone who has read books not the manuals... bansenshukai? ninpiden? shoninki? or english 'ninja history'?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
I don´t get it. The soldier having some experience in something might still have to perfect it when entering a special unit.
So I still go - Ninjutsu is not a martial art, it is a formation to get a specific kind of jobs done (see below). One (maybe not so small) part of this formation is hand to hand and weapon combat.
Don´t forget that they actually had sometimes to overcome the samurai armor and that they had to use and develop some lever techniques since strikes did´t work.
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"So I still go - Ninjutsu is not a martial art, it is a formation"
WRONG, ninjutsu is a skillset, originally a SAMURAI skillset, (does the US get china to spy for them? you don't outsource intelligence) that included Espionage, Stealth, Camouflage and Sabotage.
"to get a specific kind of jobs done (see below). One (maybe not so small) part of this formation is hand to hand and weapon combat."
formation does not fit here... you need to go find out what your talking about,...
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
Call it formation or skillset, whatever, don´t forget that english is not one of my native languages.
"does the US get china to spy for them?" Are you serious? The Ninjas were still japanese.
"SAMURAI skillset... that included Espionage, Stealth, Camouflage and Sabotage." NO, the samurai honor code did not allow these four techniques. That´s why they needed others (special forces) to do it.
What does it have to do with the unarmed training against armored enemies? Still important.
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
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@Apolonmagnus
""does the US get china to spy for them?" Are you serious? The Ninjas were still japanese."
yes and they lived in a time of city-states... my point was, you don't go to people you do not trust for intel... you seem to be misinformed about who and what shinobi were...
i suggest you check out Shinobi Soldiers, you will learn a lot more than i can fit into this comment box.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
Of course you go to people you don´t trust for intel. That is the case with spies for example. 1. The information might be true 2. You might be able to verify the info 3. sometimes you just don´t have any better choice.
In the case of a paid murder you can verify the outcome of course. So why not try it? Because the assassn could tell it to your enemy? He knows that you wanna kill him anyway.
Stupid point btw. Like the one about China and US.
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"In the case of a paid murder you can verify the outcome of course. So why not try it? Because the assassn could tell it to your enemy? He knows that you wanna kill him anyway."
oh no... so ignorant... name someone assassinated by shinobi, BEFORE you try to actually use this argument... and since u have a penchant for strawmen... i am NOT saying shinobi never did, but that it was NOT a staple of their duties...
Stupid point btw. Like the one about China and US.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
Even Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi (and I am not even close to his organisation) says that the taijutsu part of Ninjutsu is the less important.
So yes, they had other duties (like todays spec ops) but that doesn´t mean they did not fight ever! I got it - so far we are on the same page.
Now the 1 million dollar question: Did they fight any different?
The answer is - sometimes. After all this years of martial arts I can say that there are some situations when you have to fight different.
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"Even Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi (and I am not even close to his organisation) says that the taijutsu part of Ninjutsu is the less important."
and what if i showed you the closest his teacher got to ninjutsu was by reading the SAME documents i have been telling you to read? what if i showed you a letter he wrote to the head of kukishen asking to mix kuki with karate (for marketability) and calling it kukishen ninpo ??
what if tanemura (hatsumi's top student) backed it up?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"Now the 1 million dollar question: Did they fight any different?
The answer is - sometimes"
im not saying that all soldiers of a unit were cookie cutter troops, all knowing the same ryu... we are dealing with a period of mercenary troops, the shinobi were there as much to gather intel on enemies as 'allied' mercs...
Arteanor 1 year ago
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
By surprised I meant for example in following situation. Imagine a nice young spy women sneaking out of bed after pleasuring a samurai. Going to the chamber where all the important documents are - and then be surprised maybe even half naked.
So yes, surprised (although knowing your enemy), unarmed (betcha), the enemy unarmed (maybe), the enemy armed (probably), the enemy armored (maybe). You can´t use the same strikes against armored enemies.
And so on...
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"Imagine a nice young spy women sneaking out of bed after pleasuring a samurai."
i would have to imagine this... it wouldnt happen... and any shinobi would be a good LIAR... ' dur.. i got lost, where am i?' meanwhile she has the documents, HIDDEN IN HER CLOTHES... why wouldnt you give yourself your tools, only a fool would do this...
if she gets caught she isnt going back for them anyways...
seems you misunderstand ninjutsu, and the culture of the time period in question.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"So yes, surprised (although knowing your enemy), unarmed (betcha),"
so because a shinobi may have to fight, that is your proof that THOSE skills to do so somehow BECOME ninjutsu?
" the enemy unarmed (maybe), the enemy armed (probably), the enemy armored (maybe). You can´t use the same strikes against armored enemies."
SO WHAT?? we KNOW shinobi were soldiers, they HAD to fight.. what makes those fighting skills ninjutsu? where is your evidence for this ???
And so on...
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
I have an other nice dispute going on:
Ip Chun: Donnie vs Dennis (Ip Man 3 cast Pt 1)
You wanna join? ;-)
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"NO, the samurai honor code did not allow these four techniques. That´s why they needed others (special forces) to do it."
says who? your confusing honor with chivalry, something the japanese do not care for. you DO realize that any large group of troops would have shinobi sprinkled in, don't you?
regardless cite your source for this nonsense about honor codes....
ninjutsu has nothing to do with fighting... which is how we know you are clueless...
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
I am not clueless. It is common sense that an(y) organized army has some experts for special operations. You say it yourself - they had shinobi. That´s why I don´t understand your point. It´s what I said from the beginning. Yes, they existed. And of course they trained how to fight too. The same that today special ops troopers learn shooting. It is common sense - I don´t even have to read about it. (What I would because I am interested in details).
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"You say it yourself - they had shinobi. That´s why I don´t understand your point. It´s what I said from the beginning. Yes, they existed. And of course they trained how to fight too."
RIGHT, we are on the same page so far... now how exactly can you keep your job(shinobi/spec ops) secret IF YOUR USING NINJA MA??
OF COURSE shinobi fought... but there is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that the skills to do so WERE PART OF NINJUTSU... got it? they were other ryu... of the army..
Arteanor 1 year ago
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@Arteanor
Did you read my comments at all or do you just want to keep the upper hand?
Well, you did not convince me.
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Arteanor
One last thing on this matter: If an organisation uses a word (like Ninjutsu) for a martial art (whichever) for 100 hundred years and it is accepted and understood by so many people than maybe this word becomes the new term for whatever they are doing. This is the development of language. So yes, this martial art they are practicing is ninjutsu because they call it that way.
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"This is the development of language. So yes, this martial art they are practicing is ninjutsu because they call it that way."
you must be insane... it is claiming to be 1100 year old ninjutsu lineage,... and only 3 people on the list are real....
the issue I HAVE, IS the FRAUD being perpetrated by takamatsu and hatsumi since we have seen he understands the nature of his ninjutsu lineage.
and thats why im here, taking your mistruths apart with perfect logic, and real history
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
I looked up your canal. I like your way to discuss with people, you would have become a great lawyer, you just never let go of things knowing everything better and using good argumentation. But don´t forget that in daily life other things matter too. Like pacience, comprehension and sympathy. Don´t be so hard on yourself, so you don´t have to be so hard on others.
Apolonmagnus 1 year ago
@Apolonmagnus
"but that does not mean that maybe (ninja) might have used some techniques of for example taijutsu or Kendo to facilitate an escape."
since both the arts you named have modern origins, we can safely say, shinobi NEVER used them.
"So to use these techniques they had to train them too, so martial arts were in a way part of Ninjutsu"
this is an ASSERTION, prove it.
PLUS these 'techniques' are absolutely useless to a ninja, unless they're the WORST SHINOBI EVER....
Creationsofmyown 8 months ago
@Creationsofmyown
"PLUS these 'techniques' are absolutely useless to a ninja, unless they're the WORST SHINOBI EVER...."
This actually is the best argument ever. I wouldn´t use these techniques myself any more. Had a lot of fun training them when I was young though. But don´t forget that lever techniques are useful against armored opponents as maybe a samurai guard.
But still I am sure they might have used techniques that looked more like modern Wing Chun if they were ever unarmed at all.
Apolonmagnus 8 months ago
@Apolonmagnus
i think you misunderstand me...
a shinobi that needed to resort to fighting has ALREADY FAILED his mission... get in, get out, no trace, including victims.
however, a new video i just saw from TSOAS2008 says his team has found evidence to support togakure actually being Takeda ryu's ambush school with a namechange...
have a look.
Creationsofmyown 8 months ago
@Apolonmagnus Do you think you can meet a samurai in the street in our time and fight against him ? lol
Ouarza62 6 months ago
this is awesome
ionfreak93 1 year ago
big children playing ninja :)
moiseman 2 years ago
hey good vid
ttNeosxx 2 years ago
name song ?
alexparoscus 2 years ago
great video! there should be more seminars like this
NedkoTrend 2 years ago
who is this?
NixonSWK 2 years ago